Karen Olivo quits Moulin Rouge over theaterworld silence on Scott Rudin

Is she aware Rudin didn't produce Moulin Rouge?

She stunk anyway.

Her stance makes no sense.

Which of Karen’s pronouns was speaking? She/her or they/them.

"We're going out away from you...away from the Moulin Rouge!"

Did Karen leave before speaking to a manager?

Is she going to return her Tony?

I hope this dumb, overrated cunt goes away for good.

Isn't she nuttier than a squirrel turd?

There was a girl, a very strange enchanted girl....

Did she cut off all her hair?

She was great in Moulin Rouge.

Too bad the whole thing was sort of meh

Man if she thinks Rudin is bad, wait until she hears about the scores of other abusive people in the Broadway world alone. She'll never be able to take a job again until they're all "canceled".

She has a real bipolar off her meds vibe in that Instagram video.

For years DLers have been posting about her coke habit and inability to consistently show up to performances.

At least now she won’t have to take off the COVID weight.

Isn't she a little....geriatric for the role anyway?

She quit because Rubin is bad but he has nothing to do with the show. That seems very sane.

She has left and return to Broadway more times than Follies, Fiddler, and Gypsy combined since 2000. One day, she'll go into her classroom wherever she is in Arizona and find that she has no students.

As Debbie Reynolds said about Rachel Maron in "The Bodyguard", "I always knew she was nuts."

I didn’t like her as Satine. Satine should be beautiful and mesmerizing. She isn’t. She looked too old for the part, too.

Moulin Rouge was almost as bad as Starlight Express. They should shut the whole thing down.

My question is - why Rudin and why now? The timing of it all. He's an asshole and the computer/hand incident is outrageous. But an HR person had to go to the hospital for a panic attack after he threw something? He slammed a napkin dispenser? Come on. I'm so curious about who started this whole ball rolling.

Broadway has been shut down for more than a year. The entire arts and entertainment industry has been decimated. And this one has a job to which she can return and she's quitting?

So long, dearie. You should have said so long, so long ago.

R22 she has money. This is nothing for her. But she's jeopardizing the jobs of hundreds of people, who do not have money, with this stunt. People who just want to go back to work after 18 months of tragedy and unemployment.

I'll be quitting my job at the Food Circus in protest of Scott Rudin too. Solidarity forever!

She’s either high or rapid cycling or both in this video.

A perennial nutcase and difficult (not because of race but because of attitude and work ethic) employee is not a movement's best exemplar.

Everyone knew about Rudin's behavior for years. If you make a stand, only when it's safe, it means nothing.

Love her

a lot of rudin defenders showed up above

Ya’ll

R13 Well tell us who they are then

R22 does she come from money or just has it from working? What a disingenuous post if she actually has a lot of money. Stakes are very low in that scenario. No wonder she can make a manic hysterical video and quit her job.

Meant r23 ^

She missed loads of performances. She’s just making it official.

She barely fit into that Satine corset pre-pandemic so I don't blame her for bowing out now.

but what has she actually [italic]done[/italic] to help? I got nothin' from her rambling video except some self-congratulation.

I can't for the life of me figure out how this "quit your show to protest Rudin or you're racist" narrative came about. First, he allegedly abuses people in his office. Not equity members. All the accounts are that he is degrading, loud, abusive and throws things. Where is the specific offense toward the BIPOC community?

I was wondering the same thing r37, Broadway for Racial Justice is talking about this as a white supremacist issue and I'm genuinely confused. Yes Rudin is white (well, sort of porcine pink) but does that make this racial? Help me understand.

If you thought her reasoning was confusing already, wait till you read this interview where she "explains" her thinking:

[quote]Responding to a question about whether she personally had stories related to Rudin, she did not say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ but — without going into detail — did say she’s been the victim of assault. "I think it’s probably important for context -- I understand what it’s like to be a survivor," she told FOX 5 NY. "I understand what it's like to be erased or have your trauma erased." ... But her frustrations are much bigger than Broadway’s response — or lack thereof — to the allegations of abuse against one man. She says Broadway is "absolutely" too capitalistic. "We are rushing to open [Broadway theatres] again because of profits," she said. "And when we look at profits then the people who have to make those profits for you become very vulnerable." And, when asked by FOX 5 NY's Chris Welch if she might ever return to the Great White Way, Olivo said, "Under the current model? A model that’s steeped in white supremacy? It’s just — no. I wish."

How many different things does she want to throw in the pot? The ever-increasing amount of reasons she left is just like the way a bad liar keeps adding to their original lie.

Karen? Nobody cares!

She was too fat for the role anyway.

[quote]For years DLers have been posting about her coke habit and inability to consistently show up to performances.

Leave Liza alone.

[quote]does she come from money

Fom Florida. Tampa Bay area I believe. No money.

Fat, homewrecking cunt

She stinks on ice. My question is, is La LuPone returning to Company?

If Patti quits to do her sitcom they should get Glenn Close to replace her. Lamps will be thrown.

Rob Roth:

that's hilarious

Has Aaron commented?

HE HAD BETTER COMMENT! IF HE DOESN'T MAKE A STATEMENT AND QUIT HIS SHOW OVER A PRODUCER WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SHOW, WHO ALLEGEDLY ABUSED HIS OWN OFFICE STAFF, THAT MEANS HE IS RACIST!

This actors really are dumb as posts.

Talk about living up to your name.

R47 Funny if true, but seems highly unlikely

It sounds like she wanted to quit and used this as an excuse

the ease with which someone could post a claim that they "just happened" to be sitting next to someone who "just happened" to work in theater, and whose laptop screen they "just happened" to be able to see is frightening.

Which reminds me- On Thursday night, I just happened to be sitting next to Hugh Jackman on a flight and I just happened to be see his laptop screen as he was typing this email: "Dear Scott, Don't worry I'm not going anywhere, mate. I totally get it that sometimes assistants just need to be put in their place and besides, I'm still 100% looking forward to a year as Harold Hill and appreciate the hot blokes you've hired for the chorus, since as you know I'm really gay although I'm still grateful for you staying mum on those Palm Springs vacation snaps of Lucas, Colt and me that I texted you. (Great cock on Lucas, eh, mate? Man that thing hurt so good! Hard to explain to Deb why I was walking like that. Wink wink.) Anyway be brave my good man. G'day, HJ."

She barely showed up anyway. Same deal with West Side Story. Her understudy did more shows than she did. She’s got some screws loose.

R56 that’s called ‘integrity’

R56 Dame Diana Rigg would not have stood for that type of behavior, though now she’s dead and people are getting away with murder, murder I tell you!

The Vulture piece should be an object lesson in why alternating pronouns for someone just makes a big mess: “The Broadway star announced on Instagram today that she’s leaving their starring role as Satine.” Or is this just what happens when you let the interns trump the copyeditors?

I have no idea what she/they wants with a she/they preference. he/him/his defines three different uses. she & they are for the same thing so what the she/they fuck???

Well, she got her way by drawing attention to the problem.

She may be nuts, but at least she did something about it. the rest of you seem to want him to be allowed to throw things at people indefinitely.

She can go and fart on herself

You tell her/them r62!!!

R61 You really think it was Karen which caused him to step away? Grow up.

I thought you were dead, Joan Rivers at r64.

Being deinied Will Swenson's timid penis sent her over the edge years ago.

R65 What line?

She’s openly taking credit on Instagram for the Scott Rudin statement, and somehow Eden Espinoza is mixed up in this mess too?? Participating in their big transparency chat #broadwayfightsback.

This is so stupid.

This guy succinctly explains why KO is an idiot.

R69 I've noticed these attacks on Equity being reposted by a few different actors - including direct calls to harass named Equity leaders - all over the Rudin incident. Which is insane, given no actors have come forward with stories about Rudin, as far as I'm aware, and having the backing of a union is probably a good reason for that.

They also keep trying to make this a racial issue, which I don't understand at all.

When Trump threw out paper towels in Puerto Rico, she complained that there wasn't fried chicken and plantains in hers.

The only Anita in history who danced worse than Janet Leigh as Rose in "Bye Bye Birdie".

Or was she just having a nightly seizure?

Talentless cunt.

R71 ....she won an award for her dancing.

which award?

They earned their second Astaire Award nomination for Best Female Dancer for their performance in West Side Story, after previously winning the same award in 2008 for their performance in In the Heights

I'm ready to take over the role

She and Tveit never looked right together. She looks older and fatter.

Call Nicole.

FOLLIES!

She's just a Karen!

R74, alternate those pronouns!

I just saw on Wikipedia (I know) that she's on her third marriage. That's a lot by 45. Chica can't sustain anything. Just sayin'.

Paging Laura Osnes!

But was Scott Rudin involved in any way with Moulin Rouge? I don't believe he was. I don't get her point.

She probably doesn't want to go back to work yet needs some attention.

Their Wikipedia article is also awash with she and they pronouns. I really hate her now.

If you read between the lines in the Washington Post story, Rudin just knows that he has to step aside but that it won't affect his bottom line at all. Win-win for him.

I've come to realize that arbitrary pronoun preference does a huge disservice for actual trans people. It implies (especially to the right) that this is all a whim, including sexual preference. It contradicts any "born this way" pride and advocacy for trans and other LGBQT+ people

Sure one can say we can all choose to be identified however we want, but it reinforces that conversion therapy and other abuse and bigotry can be valid as well.

And it reinforces gender norms.

Give up a job in which I have to kiss Aaron Tveit? Yeah, right.

Don't know Karen, but struggling to find anything in her outburst that resembles a point. Like many SJW grandstanders, they miss identifying the real problem and offer brain dead solutions like eliminating the fucking union that made it possible for her to SURVIVE.

The people who are energized by this shit are looking for places to hide rather than places to perform or practice their art. The entertainment world is due for a reckoning in terms of work place bullying, but these self serving incoherent tantrums just make it easier to dismiss performers as children.

It is almost impossible for me to believe that someone who has worked on Broadway or professionally in ANY capacity as an actor could seriously suggest dissolving the union and replacing it with a policy of (somehow) only permitting "nice" producers to work on Broadway.

Her best defense is insanity.

I guess there’s no escaping being a Karen if you’re born with the name. “I want to see Scott Rudin’s manager NOW! Or I’m quitting!”

How is Karen Olivo the villain in this story? The entire entertainment industry knows what Scott Rudin is like? Finally, he’s getting called on his behavior with consequences and you go after KO?

This place sucks.

I'll feel sorry for her students who will leave university with a very false sense of what the real world is like and what they can expect.

[quote]How is Karen Olivo the villain in this story

Karen Olivo isn't the villain in this story, she simply used the story to grand stand not very intelligently by endorsing a ridiculous and dangerous notion that Actors Equity be dissolved because we could solve any labor disputes by only working with "nice" producers.

Scott Rudin is THE villain in his own story. Karen is simply using her platform to advance half-baked ideas to get attention and create an exit from a job she no longer wanted or feared they no longer wanted her and in doing so, she is embarrassing the profession.

Just think it through

R91, She's merely using the Scott Rudin exposé as a means to leave a Broadway show she has tired of.

I suspect that her contract was being re-negotiated for the restart of Moulin Rouge and the producers did not meet her demands....and so she left, attempting to control the narrative.

Moulin Rouge will have one of the toughest roads to navigate as Broadway restarts as the insanely budgeted show really needs to fill seats, not only to capacity, but to sell many seats at premium pricing. And who's going to want to see that big piece of turd in the fall, anyway? Most NY theatergoers who wanted to see it already have, and the tourists won't be back in full force for at least another year. I see the show ultimately suffering a BIG financial loss.

R91 She is not the villain, but her point is absurd. It looks lilke she wanted to quit and she is using Rudin as a excuse because the truth is Rudin has absolutely nothing to do with Moulin Rouge

R95, But, I still get my Tony, right?

Moulin Rouge should shutdown on broadway and reopen in Vegas where it belongs.

I wasn't that impressed with her in Moulin Rouge. Maybe it was an off night for her, but she seemed a bit disconnected.

Karen isn't the villain, but she held up her own integrity as a standard. Anyone who has worked with her or been even a casual observer of her career knows that she has no integrity and no work ethic, and her backstage behavior is awful. She is a complete mess, and only made this outburst to draw attention to herself. If the show doesn't reopen or closes shortly after attempting to reopen, a certain percentage of people will blame her for the closure, fair or not. I doubt she's considered that.

R100 honestly they're better off with someone else in the role. She really was a weak point in a show that can't afford to have weak leads

R101 Moulin Rouge! is a piece of shit and should not have been produced anywhere where artistic excellence is valued at all. The core problem with Broadway is that the shows themselves are garbage for the most part, engineered crap designed to pander to the lowest common denominator and separate you from as much cash as possible. Success now is judged only in terms of dollars and cents, FLOP or HIT. Until that changes, nothing will get better, Wokestapo protests or not.

R102 yeah it kinda sucked. There was a certain element that the movie had that was completely missing. It played like a bargain basement, Vegas jukebox version of Cabaret.

And, for all the implications in the beginning that it was sexy, it really wasn't at all. The male lead was good, though.

In November of 2019, it was the one show I picked on my big yearly trip to NYC. I ought to have picked Hadestown or something.

Does anyone know if/when Company is opening back up? I suspect it will be La LuPone's final bow on Broadway. I need to be there for it.

Actors really are pretty dumb and a large number of union members,both Equity as well as SAG-AFTRA do not understand that the basic functions of a labor union are wages and working conditions and not acting as SJW wish-fulfillment and niceness centers. If more actors understood the functions and responsibilities of being union members both unions would be stronger.

I hated Moulin Rouge but I thought Karen gave the best performance in the show.

Moulin Rouge and Karen have something in common- They think that being loud and attention-grabbing will camouflage their lack of anything to say.

well now the email from r47 looks like it was true and director has stepped down from Beauty and the Beast

Does anyone know if Roth had any connection to Rudin? Any projects? Why on earth did he email him?

The show IS a mess, as R160 wrote. And I thought Karen Olivo came across as quite hard and a bit trashy, neither of which Satine is supposed to be.

I worked briefly with and around Rob Roth a lifetime ago and he was a really great, sweet guy.

After "Beauty and the Beast" on Broadway he was jettisoned from Disney's "Aida" out of town when it was called "Elaborate Lives" and had this massive and problematic pyramid-sized set. It seems the show was a turkey anyway, and I'm not sure Rob has had a high-profile directing gig since. He shouldn't need to work if he invested his "Beauty" money well, but everyone wants to work, and going without a good job after tasting success is torture.

R109, harder and trashier than Kidman in the film? That is tough!

Yes, R 111, she was harder than Kidman. (At least I thought so)

Who's the new Satine?

Billy Porter.

Like most theatregoers, I ve never seen her, even in shows she's supposedly in..

Is she really good enough to be worth the trouble she causes? Aren't there talented women who are right for these parts and will actually show up to play them?

What does she have that's special?

Karen, we still have a role for you at the Waukesha Pottery Barn!

r114 If only that were as far-fetched as you intended it to be.

Another one whose wokeness and virtue signaling over-inflated her sense of self-importance and over-whelmed any value she might have as a performer. She just ain't worth the trouble. Few will even notice she's gone.

except the people in the workplace who will rejoice

I really hated the movie version of Moulin Rouge, it was a loud, flashy hodgepodge masquerading as...something. Everyone impressed with surface flash seems to love it.