Why Has China So Few Covid-19

China GAVE the rest of the world the WUHAN virus.

China had way more cases than they admitted to, especially at the beginning.

China controlled virus spread through draconian measures like welding people into their apartments.

China has admitted its vaccine is a bust.

Not sure what kind of message you get out of that, OP, but you do you.

What other messages is your microwave telling you, OP?

Just like the 1918 Spanish Flu. They had it first, but hardly anybody knew because they are so isolated and secretive.

Chinks are pathological liars. Their first instinct is too deceive at every opportunity to try and gain advantage. Even when it is blatantly obvious, they will lie to your face in their bizarre obsession with "saving face". Hundreds of thousands, maybe a million, chinks have died from the China Virus, but they will never admit it.

They're communists. They locked everything down HARD. If you violated the lock down they boarded up your house or hauled you away. They also force tested everybody repeatedly.

That’s lacist, L5!

I work for a company that has several offices in China, and we started hearing about the virus back in January of 2020, so I knew how bad it was over there. The things that we heard about what the government did to try and contain the virus are even worse than what anyone has written on this thread.

Because Western nations have unruly, irrational, science-dismissing populations, obviously.

China leads the way now.

[quote]China leads the way now.

... in how to create an inferior vaccine.

Everything that everyone else has said, but I would also add that there was a higher level of pre-existing immunity in China and the rest of the Far East due to the close similarity of this coronavirus to the SARS virus.

In my neck of the woods, there's an old saying: if you encounter a snake, a Chinese and a Hindu Indian, you must kill the Hindu first, then the Chinese and lastly the snake.

Few different reasons. They have social control measures to enact lockdowns that would not fly outside of a dictatorship. They don't report asymptomatic COVID infections, unlike most countries with an adequate reporting system. It's also fairly widely accepted, if rather quietly by everyone but the PRC, that this began at least as early as August 2019.

[quote]The things that we heard about what the government did to try and contain the virus are even worse than what anyone has written on this thread.

What did the government do to try to contain it R8?

[quote] I would also add that there was a higher level of pre-existing immunity in China and the rest of the Far East due to the close similarity of this coronavirus to the SARS virus.

How many people do you think (or know) were infected by SARS, R12?

CDC says 8,098 but maybe you have some secret data? Are you essentially leaking it now?

Many insiders on DL.

I think it’s something to do with a nightmare.

26th December: Doctor Zhang noticed something was wrong with her pneumonia patients, more than normal.

27th December, 1 day after first suspected case: Doctor Zhang notified her hospital, hospital notified its district CDC

28th December, 2 days after first suspected case: Hubei and Wuhan Health Commissions notified

29th December, 3 days after first suspected case: Field investigation begins on what the cause is

30th December, 4 days after first suspected case: Wuhan CDC notifies China CDC. On-paper warnings to hospitals issued. Li Wenliang warned a wechat group of “7 confirmed cases of SARS” but told them not to spread it outside the group. Somebody in the group spread his statement outside the group anyway.

31st December, 5 days after first suspected case: China CDC notifies WHO(World Health Organization) of pneumonia outbreak of unknown case. Chinese news (CCTV) issues at least two warnings to the Chinese public about an unknown pneumonia breakout.

1st January, 6 days after first suspected case: Markets close, search for infected animals begin.

3rd January, 8 days after first suspected case: Dr. Li was detained by the police and given a warning for rumormongering and had to sign a document promising he wouldn’t do it in the future.

4th January, 9 days after first suspected case: WHO announced that China had a cluster of pneumonia cases with no deaths

7th January, 12 days after first suspected case: Confirmed that suspected cases came from a new virus

10th January, 15 days after first suspected case: First death from the new virus. WHO issued National capacities review tool for countries to check their abilities to detect and respond to the novel coronavirus

12th January, 17 days after first suspected case: Virus genome sequence given to World Health Organization

13th January, 18 days after first suspected case: WHO announced first confirmed case in Thailand

14th January, 19 days after first suspected case: China told the WHO that as of then, there was "no clear evidence" of human to human transmission

15th January, 20 days after first suspected case: Wuhan Municipal Health Commission says human-to-human transmission was possible

19th January, 24 days after first suspected case: China/WHO confirms human to human transmission

20th January, 25 days after first suspected case: Wuhan offers free treatment in all hospitals for all flu symptoms.

21st January, 26 days after first suspected case: WHO makes field visit to China to discuss anti-virus countermeasures

22nd January, 27 days after first suspected case: It becomes illegal to be in public in Wuhan without wearing a mask

23rd January, 28 days after first suspected case: Wuhan and most of Hubei quarantined (flights/transportation suspended). WHO Convened Emergency Meeting with various Asian countries. Divergent views due to limited spread outside China meant a time was set to re-convene in 10-days. Meanwhile, WHO said that all countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance

24th January, 29 days after first suspected case: Tourist sites begin shutting down

25th January, 30 days after first suspected case: First of Wuhan's hospitals built specifically to combat the new virus finished construction. WHO launches free online course in various languages explaining why the novel coronavirus is a global threat to human health

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26th January, 31 days after first suspected case: Inter-provincial buses/trains shut down. Schools start closing nationwide. Monitoring stations becomes mandatory nationwide

28th January, 33 days after first suspected case: WHO Director Tedros meets with Chinese President Xi, two sides agree that WHO would send international experts to China as soon as possible

29th January, 34 days after first suspected case: WHO praised China for its handling of the coronavirus outbreak, causing criticism from various media accusing it as a Chinese government mouthpiece

31st January, 36 days after first suspected case: Trump imposed travel restrictions from China

10 February: Trump said "A lot of people said it goes away in April with the heat, when the heat comes in. We're in great shape"

10 February: Trump said in his rally "Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer it miraculously goes away, I hope that's true"

19th February: Trump said "I think our numbers are gonna get progressively better as we go along"

26th February: Trump said "Because of all we've done the risk to the American people remains very low"

27th February: Trump said "It's going to disappear one day, it's like a miracle it will disappear. It could get worse before it gets better, maybe it'll go away we'll see what happens, nobody really knows"

28th February: Trump said in his rally: "Now the democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. And this is their new hoax" 2nd April: Brett Crozier, captain of the Theodore Roosevelt, was fired for whistleblowing that his crew became infected with Covid-19

April 7, 2020, Trump accused WHO of giving bad advice for dire situation in the US, accused it for bias in favor of China, and threatened to cut its funding

April 23, 2020: China donates $30 million to WHO

May 18, 2020: China pledges $2 billion to fund WHO

May 29, 2020: Trump cuts off WHO

China wiped out the sick population.

I ordered the Vinaigrette.

Sum Ting Wong.

South Africa is predominantly Black not predominately white.

They aren’t providing accurate numbers

The Chinese just do things better generally speaking.

^ Hasn't met many chinks.

[quote]What did the government do to try to contain it [R8]?

Soyrent Gleen. Flied lice is .Soyrent Gleen.

Also the virus didn't escape from a Chinese bio-weapons lab, and even though the Chinese government wouldn't let anyone inspect the lab for over a year after the first case was detected, just trust them it didn't. And also, it's not a bio-weapons lab.

Anyone actually trust China to be truthful about its current numbers?

China lied and the virus was initially a State secret. They continue to lie. The government is not to be trusted.

I assume they’re lying just like Florida and Texas are lying

China does control the virus. Yes, CCP hid the casualties in initial Wuhan outbreak. But they managed to prevent the virus spreading to other provinces. My company has an office in Shanghai. Their life is back to normal long time ago.

Don't Chinese wear masks as a norm too? Perhaps that helped

[quote] I think it's something to do with a message.

A message from whom, dear?

If you mean from God, doesn't put you in company with people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who claimed that plagues and other natural disasters are God's way of punishing us for our politics (such as when they claimed that AIDS was God's punishment for gay liberation)?

Is that really what you believe? I would hate to believe another Datalounger was so ignorant as to believe that.

[quote] Asia and Africa, except White South Africa are fine.

As others have said Asia isn't fine. It's just hard to get accurate information from over there.

As you've said the more populated areas of Africa are having issues but the less populated ones are not because there are less people and people are more spread out. It's a big ass continent. Compare that to Asia, which is huge, but people are more clustered together in certain areas.

r29

[quote] except White South Africa

FYI OP, South Africa is 7.9% White.

US has more cases and deaths. China just handles the pandemic better than most.

R2 Their vaccine is a bust?

A friend was going to work there and a condition of entry is that you take the Chinese vaccine.

He decided not to go.

They are skinnier than fat Americans. Obesity is a covid-19 magnet.

Chinese governmemt made that virus, spread it everywhere, made a super inferior vaccine that they are selling to third world countries for 3x the price of pfizer and moderna. Chinese government is hitler. They are taking advantage of the chaos right now to wrestle control of the shipping lanes in the S. China Sea that Australia, Japan, Korea and USA use. Trump the idiot, who claimed he will be tough on China, gave those shipping lanes easily and handed them to China. Trump is a traitor and trojan horse who actually was looking out for China’s interests.

Payback for the Spanish flu spreader. Karma

Never trust Chinks.

It really seems remarkable how China was able to control it while much of the western world still suffer. But then not easy to know what actually transpired there.

No question in my mind that it was a deliberate release by the Chinese.

Don't think it was a deliberate release but I do think COVID's a bioweapon which leaked from the lab. As a bioweapon, it works!

I also think the Chinese are lying about the number of cases they have. The Chinese govt lies about everything.

It's possible there's a pre-existing immunity to Covid among some, and that the degree of pre-existing immunity varies in different populations, whether due to exposure to SARS or other unknown factors.

Remember that there was no mass testing in China or elsewhere during SARS, so the small number of confirmed cases doesn't necessarily reflect the actual number who were exposed to SARS and developed antibodies but not symptoms.

So much denial. So much fear. Fact: China is doing better. Racist remarks won’t change anything.

I for one kowtow to our new oriental overlords.

You can have them. Maybe they will treat you better than they treat the Uighurs.

First of all, there were at least 3 distinct strains of the coronavirus found by scientists early 2020, and the Wuhan strain was the one detected first, while the ones in the US and Europe were allowed to spread. Once Wuhan and the province of Hubei were locked down, the number of cases everywhere in China dwindled and the spread in China quickly halted. Then it was just the matter of stopping transmission in Hubei and Wuhan, which took just 2 months. Wuhan has returned to normalcy since April 2020, and it just celebrated one year of being virus free. After that, it was just a defensive strategy to test everyone coming into China for the virus, and any domestic cases detected were stopped by lockdown and massive testing until all the infected were quarantined to stop the spread. China has already gone through quite a few minor outbreaks with all of them halted in a month or so. Currently, there is a minor outbreak in Yunnan with the virus being brought in by illegal travelers from Myanmar. China did a lot of work fighting the virus all along, but the western media has been lying about everything about this pandemic every step of the way.

R435 you know nothing about Asia based on your post - probably best not to comment.

hmmmmm?

They started it.

Why do they have such low number? The answer is simple. They stop counting! Countries can report the number to public however they want. There won't be any third-party verification anyway. China can have millions of covid each day. They just don't report that. I still think China is the number one in Covid case. That shitty country basically STOP any measure to stop the virus and let it spread. If you catch it, try not to die from it bro. Good Luck!

Back in 2003 the sars pandemic, Hong Kong reported total number case as 1,755 and China reported total cases as 5,327. LOL. Like we supposed to believe anything comes out of PRC.

Don’t be silly. China is not North Korea . It would be hard to hide big pandemic statistics

R56 lol...You are so innocent

You expect honesty from the CCP, OP????

Numbers everywhere are fudged (looking at you Russia) but China is better at controlling the virus and its population more adaptable to efforts to prevent the spread of covid. I doubt djt will ever admit to it but his cavalier 'just the flu', no mask attitude is the biggest miscall in recent times.

* Stares in Brasil at R59 *

I was about to mention djt's dear friend Bolsonaro who's practically in Crimes against Humanity territory for his covid stance.

r59 Yes. I have a very anti-China/-(mainland) Chinese acquaintance who works there he actually had positive things to say about the strict steps (quarantine, restrictions, etc.; not inhuman level by that time but miles better than the incompetent mess of the West) he had gone through when he went back to China.

Sure, nobody believes their numbers (but I agree it's like that nearly everywhere), just like many others things that come out of that questionable country. But all the chaotic countries have brought it themselves with the population's (not just Donald, not just leaders) anti-efforts to prevent the spread, 'just the flu' and no mask attitude.

OP, why would white South Africa be a mess? Everyone in South Africa is dealing with Covid-19. It's just that white South Africans are less intelligent (thanks to the legacy of apartheid education they believe there's no racism, poor people are disproportionately people of colour just because).

[quote]Payback for the Spanish flu spreader. Karma

The Spanish Flu originated in China.

R64 Can you say Kansas ?

This thread has too many racist posts and it’s ruined. WTF?

I don't think it's just as simple as saying that Chinese are just not reporting the actual situation. They did manage the crisis better, like it or not. But then also it's easier for them to do as they don't have to deal with anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, Trumps/Bolsanaros and other loons.

Better example of a text book handling of this pandemic in a more free, similar to the West, society is South Korea. They did a very good job across the board.

^Just say the Chinese are more disciplined

No, the South Koreans are more disciplined, the Chinese are more restricted by their government.

OMFG!!! Now if we criticize people of different skin color rationally and reasonably, we are now racist!!!

Go fuck your colorful cattle prods, yes multiple prods at once and die, you useless piece of colored shit.

Violent, racist, and crazy is no way to go through life, R70.

The amount of Asian racism on this thread is ridiculous. Most of you must be true racists.

[quote] They did manage the crisis better, like it or not

No one handled it as poorly as the US.

We’re #1! We’re #1!

R72 do you know who capitalizes “Asian”? Douchebags.

R68 Chinese also doesn't wear mask. Only some asian country are discipline enough to wear mask. Those include Japan, South Korean, Taiwan etc

[quote] do you know who capitalizes “Asian”? Douchebags.

And iPhones.

Why do these weird shit diseases always start in China? The Black Death and the Spanish Flu also started there. China has been a petri dish for centuries.

I wonder what Rosie O'Donnel has to say on this topic?

[quote] Why do these weird shit diseases always start in China?

They have a 21st century transportation system, a 19th century public health system, and 15th century hygiene habits.

[quote] and 15th century hygiene habits.

I had a college friend who spent a semester in China in the 2000s. He said that Chinese men will spit literally anywhere - on the street, in a grocery store, in a classroom - anywhere.

Sure, R70, because referring to people as “chinks” or “chinkies” or trotting out the beyond tired and never funny “Sum Ting Wong” is rational and reasonable.

Maybe in your ill-educated, MAGA, fucked up red neck world.

Only one person supports the Kansas theory as the origin of the Spanish Flu and he is a historian, not a medical scientist or even knowledgeable in the field of virology.

The first cases of the outbreak of Spanish Flu were recorded in Haskell County, Kansas, and Fort Riley, Kansas, where young men were being hospitalized for severe flu-like symptoms.

(Nice try R82 haha)

Chinks are filthy creatures that start plagues with regularity.

I believe China. It used draconian lockdown procedures. EVERYONE wore a mask. Immigration was severely limited and all visitors are quarantined in hotels before they're allowed to go into society.

It's not that hard to thwart such a virus if you actually try.

Countries with more common sense have few cases. China, Australia, NZ....

What's your point, R36?

[quote] The first cases of the outbreak of Spanish Flu were recorded in Haskell County, Kansas

Those are the first REPORTED cases. It is still unknown where it originated.

Remember that the first reports of Covid came not from the Chinese government, but from leaked reports by Chinese doctors and citizens. China denied the virus for months and months, until it was too late to contain it. The Chinese government are the original Covid-deniers.

They shoot Covid patients.

Source, R89? And I’m not referring to the voices in your head.

[quote]No one handled it as poorly as the US. We’re #1! We’re #1!

That is absolutely not true.

they let their kids shit and piss in public! on the planes in aisles!

Because they're a key player in the plandemic.

R91, that is absolutely true.

R91,

For the idiot at R94:

Covid deaths and cases must be calculated per capita.

R95 More propaganda.

Once again: Covid deaths and cases must be calculated per capita.

Yeah, you’re right. It was handled brilliantly.

We had one-fifth of the world’s covid-19 deaths, even though we’re just over 4% of the world’s population. Twenty-three percent of the world’s recorded coronavirus cases have occurred among Americans, again, in spite of being only 4% of the world’s population.

GREAT job!

Nuke the Chinks

[quotes]We had one-fifth of the world’s covid-19 deaths, even though we’re just over 4% of the world’s population.

You are fooling around with statistics.

Once again: If you want to compare countries you must compare per capita rates.

So you dispute those statistics?

How is that playing around? Those are facts, regardless of the per capita statistics.

Is it correct to call the shots we are getting for COVID a vaccine?

Given that we are being told it is not 100% effective and that we likely will need booster shots, it's really just a flu shot for C19 right? Calling it a vaccine is giving some people the mistaken impression that like with other vaccines you never have to worry about contracting it again.

[quote] Is it correct to call the shots we are getting for COVID a vaccine?

[quote]it's really just a flu shot for C19 right?

SMH.

What do you think the flu shot is? It’s a vaccine.

This link shows that the US has the most infections per capita but ranks 173 in deaths.

So yes, our approach to preventing infection was the worst in the world.

R101 You need to compare transparency (how openly a country accurately reports statistics), effectiveness (how well the country manages to collect and report statistics) and classification (on what basis a country determines a death was "caused by" or occurred "with" Covid).

Keep moving those goalposts.

R105, is that a clever argument.

Although the US ranks number 1 PER CAPITA infections, that’s because we’re transparent and the rest of the world isn’t.

Maybe it’s because we did a shitty job.

[quote]Is it correct to call the shots we are getting for COVID a vaccine?

Originally "vaccine" referred to administering cowpox injections to prevent smallpox infection. Nowadays the word is used interchangeably with immunization; but, if you want to be picky, and Dataloungers live to be picky, it's more correct to call it an immunization.

“ China’s output leapt 18.3 per cent year on year in the first three months, the fastest rate since records began in the early 1990s. ”

They can do that with high covid cases ? Nice try.

^^??

[quote]Although the US ranks number 1 PER CAPITA infections, that’s because we’re transparent and the rest of the world isn’t.

You understand nothing about statistics.

First of all. you can only be aware of infections through testing.

The US has tested more people per capita than most nations. By comparison, Germany has tested less than half of the number of people the US has tested.

A much better gauge of how a country is handling Covid is the death count per capita. The death count is the tip of the iceberg.

Another gauge is vaccination rate. And on that, again the US ranks better than most countries.

Death count per capita, testing per capita, vaccinations per capita: the US has handled the virus just as well if not better than most counties in the west.

China has less deaths too. Australia and NZ are very low death rates.

In the USA, VT and WY are the lowest death rates. NY and NJ have disgustingly high death rates

Maybe....just maybe the communists are not being truthful about going on in China.

It’s hard to hide with prevalent social media now

R114 Not true in China. There are red lines red lines you do not cross and every Chinese knows instinctively where they are drawn.

R115 You can’t hide an overflow hospital

R116 Doesn't mean you'd be dumb enough to post about.

R117 If so, nobody dumb enough to use real names. Silly

R117 And you haven’t heard of satellites ?

R117 A country that can block a billion people from posting about Winnie the Pooh can block discussion of Covid outbreaks. Besides, there's real-name registration in China. And even if you somehow fake that your mobile will lead right to you.

You would never know the true deaths in China. They would be happy to lose 500,000 people as that is just a drop in the bucket.

R120 You are so naive. If something is big enough there will always be leaks.

R122 If that were true we'd be knowing an awful lot more about what was actually going on in those Wuhan labs.

R123 If we haven’t already. Anyway, lab details are easier to hide than vast no of Covid deaths. You can hide something like what happening in India ?

Do you know that in order to buy a sim card in china, they take your picture, your i.d. all your info!

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R125 Yep, real-name registration. Great naïveté here about life in a Big Brother state and how people have to adapt their behavior to it.

I have many friends working in China (westerners) and from what they've been saying things have been under control for months now.

Chinese people are thinner, they wear masks, and they listen to/are forced into taking precautions.

They didn't have motorcycle meet ups, religious festivals, or concerts during their worst outbreaks.

they probably put the covid deaths as natural causes or heart failure

Natural deaths and heart failures don’t crowd hospitals and ventilators, dummy! Covid deaths are massive and can’t be passed off as above causes

[quote] I have many friends working in China (westerners) and from what they've been saying things have been under control for months now.

I also have many friend working in great country of China. They all say China happy happy place. No covid, only happy.

China has been handling it much better than most countries. They have tracking and tracing, they have their mask game on point (even before COVID), their lockdowns were efficient, etc.

The US has just been so unorganized and chaotic about it.

Just admit it, there are certain things the Chinese do better

R133 Like absolute authoritarianism. Don't even think of questioning the emperor.

It’s easier to get discipline in Communist country

r131 I'm a Kiwi ESL teacher who's lived all over the world. I'm sorry that you take it as a personal slight that the Chinese response was better than yours.

It was easier for the Chinese to plan and coordinate their response because none of this was accidental. They planned the global outbreak from the start as an act of biological terrorism. Also note how the virus affects certain races of people more severely with the Chinese being the group among the least affected.

R116, you haven't read the accounts of people locked shut inside their apartments by the authorities. Locked shut with the rotting corpses of their older family members who had died of Covid. Those people would never have shown up in any hospital records or official death counts.

R138. Bullshit. That would help the spread even more

Who are they going to spread it to if they can't leave their apartment and the exits have been sealed shut, R139?

R140 family members of course

Whats with the term "chink" being thrown around? It's been a while since i heard that. Also, i dont trust them at all. But i hardly trust my own family sometimes...

Why is the question not, why does "the most powerful country in the world" (America) have the worst response to a deadly pandemic? Why did you guys fail so badly and so loudly?

Don't understand that view at all. As of today, the United States has administered 255 million doses of vaccine, mostly the high efficiency Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. That's an extraordinary achievement.

R143 And if your handle means you're from Australia, well, you guys are going to be locked away down there for years it seems unvaccinated and fearing the virus while the U.S. resumes normal life.

R138

Wasn’t that mostly during the initial outbreak? And that lockdown strategy proved to be successful, saving more lives in the long run.

The US could’ve done so much better, that’s the thing. But we have an entire party that controls, and makes up, so much of the country that refuses to do the right thing. They refuse to listen to the health experts and actually take the steps needed to save lives. That’s what terrifies me.

[quote]Just admit it, there are certain things the Chinese do better

I certainly admit that autocratic regimes will always have the advantage over democracies when it comes to curtailing behavior.

Unfortunately for China, it wasn't able to steal vaccine technology from Western countries and, as a result, their homegrown vaccine is lackluster.

Folks just using Covid as a pretext for the usual political rant. But if you want to get political, the initial problems were caused by governors in states like NY and Cal who fought very very hard to control their states' responses and keep Washington out of the picture, except as a funding source.

Thank you for injecting that totally non-political Fox News talking point into the discussion, R148.

R148 so Cuomo didn't kill thousands of old people in nursing homes by sending covid infected people to live in close quarters with them before there was a vaccine? That's good to know!

Just blame the Chinese. It’s all their fault that the Great Country of America is #1 in covid. It’s their fault too that people have to wear masks. And it can’t be true that they do better at containing the virus because people don’t want to believe it.

R149 Not "injecting" anything into the thread just responding to the usual partisan ranting by R146 who thinks it's all one entire party's fault. Never forget how Cuomo told Trump to butt out.

[quote] Just blame the Chinese

That seems reasonable. It was the Chinese that were doing illegal gain-of-function research on Corona viruses. And, it was their poorly run bio-weapons lab that it leaked out of. And, they did wait months before acknowledging the virus's existence, delaying the implementation of necessary public health measures worldwide. And, they did destroy all the records they had about the virus, delaying America's vaccine development by months, and costing hundreds of thousands of additional lives.

So, it seems that China is exactly where the blame for this should be put.

R193 Not only that but we can be certain beyond any doubt that China has investigated what happened in Wuhan to the fullest extent possible. To the extent it can be known what happened, China knows. Yet those investigations have never been released. That fact alone pretty much tells you all you need to know about what really happened.

[quote] mostly the high efficiency Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

They use less electricity?

[quote] Just admit it, there are certain things the Chinese do better

Like the brutal repression of basic human freedoms?

[quote] Do you know that in order to buy a sim card in china, they take your picture, your i.d. all your info!

R125, the same is true in Italy and I suspect in lots of other Western, liberal-democratic countries. Sans photo in Italy, of course, but your photo ID card gets copied/scanned and put in with all the compulsory paper work.

R114 This is what happens to those who use the web to publicize what China doesn't want publicized:

"Two men who have been held in custody for allegedly backing up sensitive articles from the internet are expected to be brought before a court in Beijing on Tuesday.

"The two volunteers, Chen Mei and Cai Wei – working for the website called 'Terminus2049' – were arrested for 'picking quarrels and provoking trouble' in April 2020, after the web re-uploaded articles on the Covid-19 pandemic that had been deleted by the authorities. Among the articles were pieces commemorating the late doctor Li Wenliang who drew attention to the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan.

"Chen's brother announced on social media that a court in Beijing's Chaoyang district will hear the duo's case, over a year after they were detained. . . Authorities had rejected lawyers hired by the families to represent the two men."

R145 Wow! What an achievement! You guys dont realise what the world thinks of you for the way your government treat you. You shouldn't be putting down Australia who has a $19.84 minimum wage and HEALTH CARE!

P.s I love you all

South Africa isn't keeping accurate records. China is just lying.

ALSO... R145 Australia had a total of 910 deaths. Where i live had single digit deaths. We will be fine on our island. Your "normal life" resuming is not something to be proud of either you smug shit.

Let's also not forget that Australia's tight restrictions on incoming flights have left loads of Aussies stranded overseas unable to return home. That's Australia thumbing its nose at the rest of the world: "Yes, they're our people, but they're YOUR problem."

R162 You mean the duel citizens who decide to call Australia home all of a sudden? The ones in India? No one is perfect and you would do the same to protect yourselves Mrs America.

That's recent. For the past year tons of "true Aussies" have been stranded outside their own country.

America and Britain by contrast have never shut their doors on their own citizens. And that was right.

R164 I must agree

I believe the Chinese Gov't are killing the Coronavirus patients, cremating the bodies(dumping the ashes in Wuhan)

The fact that R9 has so many likes is truly frightening. So many people falling for or spreading Chinese propaganda in the US. China has the US by the balls.

[quote] And, they did wait months before acknowledging the virus's existence, delaying the implementation of necessary public health measures worldwide. And, they did destroy all the records they had about the virus, delaying America's vaccine development by months, and costing hundreds of thousands of additional lives.

But but...The US cut its pandemic response team so THERE!

But If the US locked people in their homes and hauled people off to jail who didn't wear a mask, we would have been rid of the virus in one month. Fauci said so. It doesn't matter that we didn't have the vaccine.

R167 umm! 3 likes is a lot?

R152, He's right though. The GOP controlled everything when this thing hit. They did worse than nothing. They ignored democratic areas as they were getting hit hard by Covid specifically because they were largely democratic. Trump and the GOP have a log of damn blood on their hands.

The false narrative continues. Nobody "ignored" democratic states. Indeed, it was Cuomo who decided to "ignore" the hospital ship the Feds sent to NY Harbor.

R171 wrong. Nancy Pelosi controlled, and sometimes continues to control, the House.

Yeah, I was wrong about that, but the Dems voted for Trump's Covid relief package. And I wasn't wrong about the Trump administration purposely targeting Dem controlled states and intentionally making the pandemic worse. Then there's the administration seizing protective gear that hospitals had already paid for and selling it off to the highest bidder, and all the shit Trump said that denied the pandemic even existed. Even now Republicans won't get vaccinated because of Trump.

Trump and the Republicans exploited Covid-19 for political gain. They deserve to be on trail for crimes against humanity.

People refusing the vaccine has nothing to do with Trump. In fact, the Democrats said publicly that they wouldn't trust a vaccine developed under the Trump administration and overstated the risks of Covid treatments during the height of the pandemic.

R179 that was yesterday's fact. Wait 24 hours and watch the media to learn the new "facts".

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Yep, it was the Democratic leadership that politicized the vaccine risk. Here's Cuomo in September, 2020:

“Is the vaccine safe? Frankly, I’m not going to trust the Federal Government’s opinion. And I wouldn’t recommend to New Yorkers, based on the Federal Government’s opinion.”

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[quote] People refusing the vaccine has nothing to do with Trump.

Of course it does. Half of Trump supporters are refusing the vaccine. It's 10% for Biden supporters.

[quote] In fact, the Democrats said publicly that they wouldn't trust a vaccine developed under the Trump administration

You left off 'until properly vetted by experts'.

[quote] overstated the risks of Covid treatments during the height of the pandemic.

You mean like hydroxychloroquine?

R178, Trump was an anti-vaxxer until it matter to HIS health, then suddenly vaccines were cool, And that still doesn't change all the intentional Covid-19 illness and death inflicted on this country for his political advantage.

[quote] Of course it does. Half of Trump supporters are refusing the vaccine. It's 10% for Biden supporters.

Perhaps but Trump has encouraged people to take the vaccine and even criticized the Biden administration for pausing the J&J vaccine.

[quote] You left off 'until properly vetted by experts'.

There are plenty of "experts" who will say whatever they are paid to. Telling people not to trust the government doesn't inspire confidence.

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That is the Biden administration's only accomplishment - using the Trump vaccine to end the pandemic.

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R186, America is a net energy exporter, thanks to Trump. Or at least it was, until Biden started "fixing things".

It reeks of cheap vodka here

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At least it doesn’t smell of cheese

Can we just settle the debate for the DL racists?

Spanish Flu with now be known as the Kansas virus and Covid-19 will now be known as Wuhan virus.

The thing with... many different... countries is that they don't admit that they have a problem. Japan, for example, will claim that they don't have a homeless problem. It isn't because they have a lot of support / infrastructure in place, it's because they hide it. China is the same way.

Some countries just can’t hide their racial problems