Sally Struthers on why she gave up Save the Children

Because she ate them all?

Miss you, Sal!

Gloria!

Yes, I remember.

Because she felt more comfortable around her own kind? Save the Whales!

She didn't love Meathead as much as she loved meatloaf.

Glad to know she’s not a Trumpster! And I’m not surprised about Rita. She’s always seemed like a bitch.

What did she say about Rita?

R8 Read the damn article. It isn’t that long.

Moreno always seemed like a fake ass bitch.

R10 And Jennifer Lopez idolizes her, which tells you all you need to know.

And Moreno never fails to let us know who she's fucked. We get it Rita, you lacked self esteem and you were a desperate whore.

Rita couldn't get a movie after "West Side Story." That's fucked up.

Rita Morena is one of the first EGOTs. She deserves all her awards. Multi-talent.

Yes but what about Rita Moren[bold]o[/bold]?

Come to think about it, it is kind of funny that those ads were, after all, raising money for children suffering in the third world.

And the people ridiculing her were typically utter little shits.

South Park did it best

^^^ r17 — proof positive of r16.

What’s next, will Sarah McLachlan be abandoning those sad, sad dogs and cats?

Everyone knows Rita Moreno is a Class A cunt. Always has been.

I recall being seated adjacent to Rita Moreno at a Beverly Hills hot spot. It was a late lunch on a sunny patio with few patrons. She held court over a bevy of much younger males, maybe 5 or 6 of them, all nice looking and actor-dancer fit so I assumed they were in some type of show with her. She was very loud, very, very. She had a mouth like a construction worker on steroids. Every other word was fuck, shit, goddammit, etc. She's 89. I believe she was about 50 at the time. I found her to be shockingly nasty and crude. It was interesting for about 20 minutes and then it ruined my lunch.

I was having a cup of vanilla ice cream at DQ three years ago and Rita Moreno came over and vomited into it.

I doubt Moreno could afford to be a Class A asshole. She's nearly always been a featured player.

I said a Class A cunt. Learn to read.

I went to sit down and Rita Moreno kicked the chair out from under me.

Rita Moreno was the one who taught Stevie Nicks to aim for the vagina bone.

She also took on Deb Messing as a protegé, and we all know how that turned out.

Has Froy commented on Rita Moreno?

Has Susan Dey?

Froy said Rita wouldn't let go of his Oscar.

"Just a mean, difficult human being."

R30 LOL Just goes to show how fake Hollywood is. They all smile for the cameras when they secretly hate each other.

R14, and she's the first person to tell us that. In EVERY interview.

I believe Struthers. Look at those forced, frozen smiles in R31's link. That ain't love, and it isn't even 'like'.

Yes you’re so right r31 — thank god that behavior is limited to Hollywood!

R29 Did she let Froy hold all her EGOT awards?

R29 What else did Rita have Froy touch?

You would have thought Rita could have gotten Froy a spot in the West Side Story cast?

Sally couldn't have shared that Trump story with the world back in 2016 when he was running for the most important job in the entire world?

She's also the only celebrity so far to kiss up to the religious right for years (TBN, The 700 Club, etc.) only to trash their beloved presidential messiah (after he left office of course).

Screw this bitch.

Has Jean Stapleton commented yet?

r31 women in general

Ok, ok... why is Froy with Rita Moreno?

R40 They starred in a TV show together.

I heard that years ago....a friend of a friend worked at a theater where Sally and Rita did The Odd Couple and said Sally was a doll and Rita...wasn't.

Rita didn't get movie jobs after winning the Oscar because she wasn't actually a great actress and she wasn't conventionally pretty. She's a terrific entertainer with a strong personality (for TV) but as an actress, she doesn't have much range.

Rita is actually proof that the EGOT thing is quite stupid.

Rita's a cunt and has been for decades.

Any woman who would attempt suicide over Marlon Brando leaving her is a fool.

Her behavior after winning a Tony Award in 1975 was the height of cuntiness.

Sally and Rita worked together on the TV version of 9 to 5, and stage version of The Odd Couple. I kind of hate to hear that about Rita. I was always a fan, even when I was a little kid and she was on Electric Company.

[quote]Sally and Rita worked together on the TV version of 9 to 5

No, they didn't.

Rita was the lead of the ABC version. When it came back in syndication years later, Sally was the lead. The two were not part of the same cast.

R45 thank you for the info.

R37, as if Sally Struthers warning would've made any difference.

Rita shoved two fingers up my hoohoo in broad daylight.

Sally looks like Bruce Vinanch in OP’s photo.

R47 The election hinged on just 78,000 votes from 3 counties in Wisconsin, Michigan & Penn. according to The Cook Political Report.

This Sally S. tale could've made that much of a difference easily.

Both DJT & Hills were unpopular with the voters.

We're trashing Rita Moreno when Sally Struthers was a visitor to the 700 Club?

[Quote] Ok, ok... why is Froy with Rita Moreno?

Froy has a thing for the elderly.

Oh no. In one week Dame Judi Dench and Rita Moreno. Who will be the third?

[Quote] Who will be the third?

Betty White.

Sally seems a bit daft. But the full Maron interview is worth a listen - you get a better sense of her whole self. She’s not afraid to name names. I suspect her appearance on The 700 Ckub was more benign than it appears. Having toured the country. I’m sure there’s some regions that are best reached through that venue; I doubt the actress you played Gloria and was pretty vocal about women’s rights did much to compromise herself or others on that show. Would be interesting to hear what she says about it now.

[quote] I doubt the actress you played Gloria and was pretty vocal about women’s rights did much to compromise herself or others on that show.

She was playing a character! Dixie Carter played ultra-liberal feminist Julia Sugarbaker for years, yet the actress was a conservative Republican who negotiated liberal Julia rants for song solos (shrill soprano and all) with Linda Bloodsworth-Thomason.

Why aren't the reasons for leaving Save the Children, hating Trump, and arguing with Moreno listed here?

[quote]Why aren't the reasons for leaving Save the Children, hating Trump, and arguing with Moreno listed here?

Because it’s all in the article that takes less than two minutes to skim through.

Rita did revamps or reconceptualizations of Odd Couple, 9 to 5, One Day at a Time, West Side Story and likely other shows or movies. Thankfully, the Electric Company was in there as at least one wholly original idea.

The article:

Scroll back up to restore default view. Yahoo Celebrity Sally Struthers reveals terrifying reason she stopped working with Save the Children Raechal Shewfelt Raechal Shewfelt·Editor, Yahoo Entertainment Mon, April 12, 2021, 4:46 PM·3 min read

For years, Sally Struthers's commercials for Save the Children, with their heartbreaking images of children in need, were all over TV.

Struthers revealed Monday on the WTF with Marc Maron podcast that she stopped working as an ambassador for the organization and another, similar one after 35 years because of a terrifying experience. It happened once when she had flown into Uganda on a small plane to meet one of the kids she was sponsoring.

"They brought [the child] from his village, which was quite a few hours away. He had traveled to come meet his sponsor, to meet me, and I made some commercials with him, and I played with him and I brought him toys and balloons," Struthers said. "Well, a roving band of guerrilla warfare guys came out of the bushes and asked [him] where he was from, and he named his village, which was far away, and they decided that we had kidnapped him, and they were going to shoot all of us."

The priest, who happened to speak the same language as the men, instructed Struthers to back away, without turning her back to them, and they all survived. But it was a turning point for the All in the Family actress.

"I thought, 'I've been on so many little airplanes that could have crashed and in so many horrible situations.' I came back from one of my trips overseas with hepatitis." Struthers said. "I thought, 'What am I doing? I've got a child, a real-life child of my own, and I'm gonna make her an orphan. I can't do this anymore.'"

It was a relief for Struthers, who was already the butt of jokes on In Living Color, South Park and elsewhere for the ads.

"Besides, everyone in the world is making fun of me," said Struthers, who has extensive credits in theater and TV. "I could never understand that from the first time I found out some comic or another made fun of me and then a greeting card was on sale somewhere making fun of me. It dumbfounded me that if you're trying to help hungry children, you're fodder for horrible, cruel jokes. What's wrong with the world?"

Maron noted that the ads were so prevalent that, "You could not not see them."

"I don't think it was about the cause or necessarily about you, [but] it was inescapable," he said.

During the interview, Struthers also talked about her impression of former President Donald Trump. Referring to him as "the orange butthole," she explained that she was once seated across from him at a White House dinner, long before he was president. She asked if she could use the lobby of Trump Tower in New York for an art auction to benefit Save the Children. He said sure, and he told her to give him a call. Struthers said that when she did, she received a much different response. As Struthers told it, a woman left her on the phone for five minutes and then said, "He's not interested."

She had equally negative things to say about Rita Moreno, the actress who co-starred with her in a female, stage version of The Odd Couple in 1985. Struthers described Moreno as "just a mean, difficult human being."

Yahoo Entertainment has reached out to both Trump and Moreno for comment.

I think if Sally hadn’t gave gained weight, she wouldn’t have been mocked so viciously for those commercials. It’s just one of those things.

And they said I was the meanest Latino in the business!

I've enjoyed everything i have seen Rita in so i dont pay any attention to their public persona

I think the reason that those Save the Children commercials were ridiculed was because a once thin television star was now overweight and usually dressed head to toe in a black designer pantsuit and sunglasses in surrounded by starving children in the middle of some impoverished village somewhere in Africa. She was literally the image of Western overindulgence and noblesse oblige.

Has Chita Rivera commented yet?

Sally seems sweet. And like she likes sweets.

I was around at the time, and the reasons they made fun of her were that she got heavy and that she was weepy in the commercials. I never heard anything about her being a privileged Westerner. That wasn't really something people reached for in those days.

R67 True. It was her weight, and her delivery.

Rita Moreno taught me everything I know.

Who does that fat whore think she is?

I am DEFINITELY on team STRUTHERS.

I can't believe nobody has mentioned that Rita Moreno was in the worst episode of The Golden Girls. For that alone, she deserves censure.

I enjoyed Sally’s Maron interview.

Fuck Jackie Weaver for coming to the US and basically taking Sally’s career. She basically played Sally in Silver Linings Playbook.

Also... of course they’re dragging Miss Latina Rita out for the Blackademy Awards because... wokeness.

These are the most superficial and racist of times. Truly.

Yes, her Save The Children commercials were ridiculously tone deaf. An overfed, privileged actress begging you to send money. One of the running jokes was “If Sally ate a few less Ho Hos, she wouldn’t have to be asking other people for money.”

And these commercials came at a time when charitable organizations were under scrutiny for mismanagement of funds. I think it was around 1986 when there was a huge scandal with United Way.

And as mentioned, the commercials were broadcast all the time. We had a local station that played sitcoms from 9:00 am to 12:00 pm every day during the Summer (built in audience of school kids) and her commercial played at every break. So you’d be laughing at Laverne & Shirley or That Girl and then fat, weepy Sally would appear three times every 30 minutes. And sometimes they would run the commercial twice in one break.

OP, you are an idiot. post the article

No one wants to go to the fucking link

[quote]And they said I was the meanest Latino in the business!

No, querida. They said you were "the meanest Spic in pictures."

Rita was the queen of cultural appropriation in the '50s. She played an Indian (dot, not feather) on "Father Knows Best" and a Thai in "The King and I."

I bet r12 wouldn't be talking about lack of self-esteem if they were talking about a male.

I will always love Sally for hawking the International Correspondence School. Because of her, i have my diploma in Learning the Personal Computer, with a minor in VCR Repair.

r62 - Spic, Magdalena, you were the meanest *spic* in pictures.

I was about to say the same thing, R80.

If Sally was so broke she had to do those International Correspondence Schools ads in the early '90s, how has she managed to live since they went off the air?

R82 she's been touring endlessly in Hello Dolly and Annie.

r80, see r76.

Stop bashing Rita Moreno. You'd be a bit of a bitch if you came up in old Hollywood as an immigrant. Try to have a little empathy.

Magdalena aqui. One must’ve PC to be employed these days, no es verdad?

Puerto Ricans are not immigrants.

Showoff R79!

I went to Bryman.

R49, I think Sally ate Bruce Vilanch. And fed what she vomited to Darfur Orphan.

It's hard for me to believe, but more than one poster here over the years has said Sally is really good in "Annie" and all those touring/summer stock productions.

R37 everyone knew Trump was an orange butthole by the time he ran. Why would Sally need to say anything?

R75 is a lazy cunt.

Puta gorda!

I have never watched “All in the Family,” the first thing I ever saw her in was The Getaway (1972).

... she had sex with Al Lettieri in front of her husband who was tied to a chair.

Can't believe this never became a classic!

She worked with Rita twice on broadway. Wallys Cafe and The Odd Couple. Friendship gone sour? Or Sally just likes working with difficult people?

She didn’t abandon the children, she ate children. You hear that, Armie! Here’s a chance to redeem yourself!

Isn't it established by now that Sally Struthers is one of those simple and sweet type of people? She means no real harm I do dare say. Anyone who uses the word "butthole" in leu of the profanity "asshole" is a bit of an innocent.

Those "Save the Children" commercials she did were in somewhat poor taste but Sally Struthers would truly be torn up about those innocent children sincerely. Color me naïve but I don't think she was acting her way through those commercials much.

But would Rita Moreno have tried to Save the Children?

[quote]I have never watched “All in the Family,” the first thing I ever saw her in was The Getaway (1972).

She was also in "Five Easy Pieces" before that.

Sally has at least one DUI. Does Rita?

R74, most of us in the developed world are way overfed relative to poor nations. Would it be more powerful coming from a skin-and-bones spokesperson?

And, yeah, she was successful, but her appearance in those commercials gave them an air of legitimacy.

The issue with the commercials is, as Maron noted, they seemed to be on all the time. I think we as viewers tend to have a guilty reaction to pleas for money for people we know need it more than us, so those of us who haven’t given feel lousy about ourselves whenever we see them.

[quote] Would it be more powerful coming from a skin-and-bones spokesperson?

Karen Carpenter would have been most compelling and authentic as the Save the Children spokeswoman.

[quote]But would Rita Moreno have tried to Save the Children?

Diana Ross tried it once. I think she gave it up when one of those pesky orphans snatched her wig. The poor kid thought it was a possum that they could eat on for a week.

How many of the EGOT does Sally have?

Sally is the Queen of Ogunquit, having starring in summer stock at that famous playhouse in Maine for decades. She is much beloved in the community, even after she made national headlines for an embarrassing DUI arrest.

The charges were eventually dropped after she made a plea deal.

Does anyone remember, when Rob Reiner decided to leave All in the Family, was Sally kicked off as well? Did she want to continue with the show or was she also ready to leave it?

Here's Sally in Hello Dolly in Ogunquit. Watch out, Bette!

And that's why Liza likes Chita, but not Rita.

Did Rita ever get a welcome like this? I think not!

LUUUUUUUUUV HER!

Do you think Rita Moreno is a cunt?

Sure, we all do!

Sally had a recurring role on Gilmore Girls, and I think another series, as well. So she hasn't been forced to only 'tour the regions' to pay the bills.

Who, in R43’s link, was the elderly presenter of the 1975 Tony to Rita?

R106, I believe Sally has 2 or 3 Es. Too lazy to look it up.

R102 . . .

Rita has at least one suicide attempt. Does Sally?

Suicide by Twinkie?

Rita Moreno called me a dirty fag in a gay bar. To be fair, I was covered in a spilled drink and was wearing a T-shirt that said “I ‘m proud to be a fag”.

We ended up the best of friends. Until she pissed all over me and yelled, “I was on the Electric Company, baby!”

I never knew what the connection was.

[quote]It's hard for me to believe, but more than one poster here over the years has said Sally is really good in "Annie" and all those touring/summer stock productions.

I saw her in 9 to 5 playing Roz, and the audience loved her. She brought down the house with her main number. She and the woman who played Peggy Pope's character were the highlight of it.

Whose bright idea was it to arrange this number and not have Debbie Allen as the third woman? They were the big three who played Anita at that time.

Instead, you get a miscast Bette Midler stinking up the stage.

I bet it was Rita, since Chita and Debbie are very close. Rita probably didn't want to be upstaged.

[quote] Instead, you get a miscast Bette Midler stinking up the stage.

All I can think is that they must have had a last minute cancellation from someone and Midler was free because that is a godawful performance. She's not a dancer and she's stuck in the middle between two excellent dancers. Chita and Rita are great and work around her but Christ it's a bad performance.

AitF is my favorite show ever, so I was thrilled to see Sally was on Maron's podcast. It was too short in my opinion, as I could've asked another 60 minutes worth of questions about her time on AitF. Did anyone who listened catch what the pills were that she said Carroll O'Connor was popping due to his anger about the show sending the good writers to other shows?

The story about Rob Reiner being cold toward her at some film premier years ago was odd. I would love to know the whole story about that. And it sounds like she doesnt speak to Norman Lear?

Maybe he had a lifetime of that shrill voice from being on the show together and he just could not again?

[quote]The story about Rob Reiner being cold toward her at some film premier years ago was odd.

Reiner has always been an asshole. Even on AITF. Jean Stapleton once said that she and Sally would sit down at the table and wait while Reiner and Carol O'Connor would argue about how a scene should be played.

Carroll O Connor thought he was going to have a lot of input into Gloria, but when the producers hired for the show iced him out after the pilot, he blamed Sally and he stopped speaking to her. I can't remember if they made up before he passed, but she was at his funeral.

It was Carroll's idea to continue with Archie Bunker's Place. Norman wanted the show to end in 79, but Carroll refused and wanted to continue. It was Norman who also convinced CBS to pull the plug on ABP in 1983, despite it still being a top twenty show because he thought it had gone on long enough. Carroll was livid because he wanted one more year and a final episode where Archie was to marry again. Norman was still upset over having to kill Edith off.

Stretch Cunningham was the real star of AITF.

[quote]Stretch Cunningham was the real star of AITF.

Only in your dreams.

Mmmmm........Pizza!

*nom* *nom* *nom*

R128, Excuse me?

[quote] [R74], most of us in the developed world are way overfed relative to poor nations. Would it be more powerful coming from a skin-and-bones spokesperson?

"And now, Justine Bateman... with a message from Save the Children!"

[quote]Would it be more powerful coming from a skin-and-bones spokesperson?

What's Calista Flockhart up to these days?

[quote]Reiner has always been an asshole. Even on AITF.

In one of Meghan Daum's books she describes being invited to one of Nora Ephron's parties and being the only non-celebrity there. She describes speaking to Rob Reiner while he stared around her shoulder, looking for somebody "important" to talk to.

Really r63?

Rita was no real life Sister Peter Marie, that's for god damn sure.

That punch at R94 from Steve McQueen was real. The crew taught Sally how to take a movie punch and they did two times but the third take Steve accidentally punched in right in the face and down she went and that was the take used. Watch Steve look down like Uh oh.

Was this a paying gig for Sally or did she donate the $$$ back to the starving kids?

Poor Sally. Seems like she was something of a misfit. Rob Reiner doesn't talk to her, neither does Norman Lear. Lear wouldn't release her from four episodes to do Day of the Locust, and she was excluded from some social activities Lear did with the cast. . The good thing is she said that when Paul Bogart took over directing the series, she started getting more stuff to do. Better scripts and stories that featured Gloria.

She really did just want to make more money

The Maron interview was interesting. I remember hearing before that Struthers wasn’t able to do “The Day of the Locust” because Lear wouldn’t work around her schedule (yes, I’m an eldergay!) so It was interesting to hear it straight from Struthers herself. And dubious of Lear to release Rob Reiner to do “Fire Sale” the following year.

And Struthers certainly didn’t pull any punches about Rita Moreno! Plus, how often is Al Lettieri discussed in an interview?

Thanks for the tip, DL!

I’d forgotten this early guest-star appearance!

[quote]I remember hearing before that Struthers wasn’t able to do “The Day of the Locust” because Lear wouldn’t work around her schedule

Bitch should be grateful to have scored the part at all! Candy Azzara played Gloria in the second pilot and was breathing down her neck.

Sally could have gone on to nothing more than Calucci's Department with James Coco and six episodes of Soap in 1978.

DL is the biggest influencer in my life. Now I know to hate Rita Moreno and love Sally Strutters. I'm not so sure about Brenda Vaccaro.

Rita Moreno used to be with Marlon Brando, I figured she was tough as nails

R141, A shout out to Jack "Howard Sprague" Dodson would have been nice.

R146 I believe Howard Sprague played Ralph Malph's dentist father on Happy Days.

Was he the only Andy of Mayberry cast member to have a recurring role on Happy Days? You'd think Ron Howard would've thrown a bone to George "Goober" Lindsay, Ernest T., or Floyd the Barber.

[quote]Was he the only Andy of Mayberry cast member to have a recurring role on Happy Days? You'd think Ron Howard would've thrown a bone to George "Goober" Lindsay, Ernest T., or Floyd the Barber.

Ron Howard was nothing but a hired actor on "Happy Days", he had bones to throw.

[quote]most of us in the developed world are way overfed relative to poor nations. Would it be more powerful coming from a skin-and-bones spokesperson?

You're right, but my mother once said that it was in poor taste to have a fat woman asking for money to feed children, that if they couldn't get someone as thin as Audrey Hepburn then they shouldn't have filmed a commercial at all. A few relatives were over at the time and they all agreed.

All these years later and it doesn't make a lot of sense, but at the time, people thought it was hilarious and awful that a fat lady cared about starving children.

[quote]Rob Reiner doesn't talk to her

Doesn't talk to her or WON'T talk to her?

[quote]LOL Just goes to show how fake Hollywood is. They all smile for the cameras when they secretly hate each other.

People do this outside of Hollywood as well, R31.

(And they don't *all* secretly hate each other.)

Funny that Linn Manuel Miranda couldn't find a place for Rita in any of his vehicles.

^^^ She takes up to much room in the car, does she bring a lot of shit?

Rita Moreno yelled "Hey you guys" in Sally's ears.

Sally in hysterical Australian interview

It was just incredibly bad optics that a privileged, obese white woman would be the spokesperson for such a cause. Was she supposed to appeal to anyone but Fraus?

Unless there was some hidden blackmail message going on where people were supposed to donate or Sally would eat those kids when feeling peckish.

Circa 2003 I was backstage at Hollywood Squares. It was Blondes Have More Fun week. Barbara Eden, Pamela Anderson, Sally Struthers and Carol Channing were featured, among others.

Sally Struthers spotted Carol Channing, and walked up to her, arms wide open. "Hello Carol!" Sally said, embracing Carol Channing. Carol goes "BARBARA! How nice to see you!" Sally goes "No, no, it's Sally!" And Carol goes "Yes, of course, SALLY!"

r155

Funny

[quote]It was just incredibly bad optics that a privileged, obese white woman would be the spokesperson for such a cause.

Why? I genuinely don't get it. Fat women can't care about feeding hungry children?

[quote] The Maron interview was interesting. I remember hearing before that Struthers wasn’t able to do “The Day of the Locust” because Lear wouldn’t work around her schedule (yes, I’m an eldergay!) so It was interesting to hear it straight from Struthers herself. And dubious of Lear to release Rob Reiner to do “Fire Sale” the following year.

And the irony is that no one remembers Fire Sale!

[quote] Why? I genuinely don't get it. Fat women can't care about feeding hungry children?

Of course, they can. It's about whether they are able to get people to donate instead of mocking them for caring.

I would consider it a badge of honor if Rob Reiner wouldn't talk to me.

R43, If Rita really felt that way, she should have refused the nomination, a la Julie Andrews.

Of course she didn't, because she needed a Tony to obtain EGOT status.

EGOT was not a concept back then.

I remember when “9 to 5” premiered as a TV series and being really turned off my Rita’s mugging in all of the TV ads, as If she was trying to draw all of the attention away from the other women. Bet they thought she was a cunt too.

Team Struthers.

EYES ON ME!

Linda Lavin vibes.

It's interesting that Sally's perception was that for the first five seasons she essentially was limited to the lines "I'll help ya Ma" and "Oh, Daddy!" but I remember many memorable scenes .

All 5 season openings for your amusement and torture!

Rita Moreno was always best suited for the stage because of her mugging and her broadness of delivery. I would have loved to have seen her as Googie Gomez in "The Ritz"--that's such a hilarious over-the-top part, and she would have been great in it (as by all accounts she was).

I don't blame her for attempting suicide after being dumped by Brando! He was still incredibly hot in the Sixties. It wasn't until the 1970s he became fat and gross.

Lavin is a great comparison, & Rita does scat singing too.

r64 let alone STC long had a bad rap before she became involved with it. . from the usual child exploitations allegations to their investment and exploitation of mining operations, namely diamonds.

[quote]Glad to know she’s not a Trumpster! And I’m not surprised about Rita. She’s always seemed like a bitch.

I've always thought that Rita Moreno is overrated. I used to laugh when some of the editors and experts at Gold Derby had her on their prediction lists for Emmy nominations for the One Day at a Time reboot. While Rita was the best of that show, her performances weren't Emmy worthy.

Why did Sally get so fat? She was really cute in the 70s.

What was the deal with all the cast changes in "9 to 5?" Seems like Valerie Curtin was the only one who was there the entire time. And they added a bunch of characters in the later season.

I was around when it first aired, but I don't remember much about it. Has it ever been seen in syndication since it went off the air?

I love that we're talking about Sally Struthers. Only on DL!

Shally Shtruthersh!

Sarah McLachlan and her Arms of the Angels songs on those ASPCA commercials remind me of Sally

R174 Well there are five kinds of people in this world.

1. Regular-sized people: Not fat, not thin, just somewhere in the middle and always will be without trying. They get to eat whatever they want and manage to remain "normal" size.

2. Skinny-fat people: Born to be fat but have dieted all their lives and remained on the skinny side. This is a Hellish life that no one should have to deal with. Large, horsie framed people that look longingly at example #1 people that get to eat real food.

3. Fat-skinny people: Born skinny and decided they enjoy mashed taters and gravy and cream puffs. You can often tell them by their weak frames with big bellies and butts.

4. Fatasses: Always have been, always will be.

5. Skinnyminnies: Always have been, always will be. I hate you!

I should make a poll so we can all tell which one we are!

3, 4, 2, 4, 2 - Started getting chubby around 12 and then dieted and kept the weight off until I was 20 and every decade I got bigger. Now trying to take off 25 years of bad eating and feeling sorry for myself. Yes I know I will look better and be more healthy but it is depressing not being able to eat calories mindlessly.

[quote] Rob Reiner doesn't talk to her... Doesn't talk to her or WON'T talk to her?

She says even after they left the show they were in touch. He would call in the middle of the night, not even say hello and tell a goofy joke and just hang up which she loved. She heard he got married, was at an opening and saw him with the new wife. She ran over for a hug and he stuck his hand out for a handshake and a cold Hello Sally. She was hurt but chalked it up to the new wife.

[quote] those ads were, after all, raising money for children suffering in the third world. And the people ridiculing her were typically utter little shits.

Typical hipster sneering

She was funny as Mark Addison's mother on "still Standing" ....so this is how I'm going to die.

Lewis J. Stadlen also reveals in his book that he had Moreno during that Odd Couple tour, though he doesn't say her name he describes her so clearly there's no doubt. It was a small cast show. He talks about "the smooth parchment between her legs" and how "her husband kept her on a short leash" and how he was "the most pussy whipped man in America."

[Quote] "her husband kept her on a short leash" and how he was "the most pussy whipped man in America."

Aren't those two statements contradictory?

The "he" is Stadlen not the husband.

Stadlen was pussy whipped by Rita? Didn't he mention her anus?

I've met Sally about 5 different times in Florida during the late 1980s, early 1990s. She was very sweet

I worked with some other people who knew her very well because Sally did a lot of charity work with them. They all said she was very lovely

I know people who worked with Sally Struthers on stage and they said she was wonderful.

Well, she's no singer.

I saw the Broadway production of the Odd Couple with Rita as 'Oscar' and Sally as "Felix' and as some commented at the time Struthers as the neat freak came off somewhat slovenly whereas Moreno as the slob was trim and crisp. Somewhat true but, it was a reasonably entertaining show and both leads were good. Sally doesn't support her statement regarding Rita with details unfortunately.

Sally seems like a very sweet lady.

[Quote] Sally doesn't support her statement regarding Rita with details unfortunately.

Thanks for the clarification.

I wonder if Sally has done Gilbert Gottfried's podcast. She shuold.

*should

Sally looks great in 1981. And standing behind James Coco is a surefire way to look thinner.

When did Rita get her rhinoplasty?

In The Female Odd Couple that Sally and Rita did, the two Pidgeon Sisters were transferred to Hispanic men played by Lewis J. Stadlen and Tony Shalhoub.

It was all about fat hating because she used to be skinnier.

R196, her whole face has been done. Several times.

Moreno’s pussy stinks!!! Gross.

I dumped the Spic for Shelley Winters.

[quote] What was the deal with all the cast changes in "9 to 5?" Seems like Valerie Curtin was the only one who was there the entire time.

Dolly’s sister was the one who appeared in all five seasons. Valerie was in seasons 1, 2, 4, and 5. I now wonder if she left after season 2 because she couldn’t tolerate Rita (who left after season 3 and was replaced by Sally for seasons 4 snd 5).

Wow, now I know I must have been abducted by aliens and left the planet for a few years. I was a TV nut and I have ZERO remembrance that a sitcom of "9 To 5" existed let alone ran for five seasons. Had to look it up and it premiered on ABC March 25, 1982 at 9:00PM.

Rita Moreno might be talented but she’s a grade A Cunt! And she’s using her “Latina” shite to hustle that god awful remake of ‘One Day At A Time’ to any network she can . No one cares. If Bonnie Franklin isn’t in it, it’s not worth tuning in!

Young Sally was THE Tim Conway Dancer on 1970 Tim Conway Comedy Hour. With Miss Joan Crawford.

Considering she doesn't speak with Norman Lear and Rob Reiner was cold to her, and considering how outspoken she was in her interview with Maron, my guess is she said the wrong things one too many times and thus Norman and Rob are wary of her.

Is Norman Lear so angry at Sally that his plan is to out live her just to spite her?

Why would Rita think about committing suicide over Marlon Brando? His dick had been in every vadge, except Elaine Stritch, in New York and Hollywood.

I was thinking the same thing r206. This was all reminding me of the thread we had on Sean Young who seemed to say really bluntly honest things and then not realize why people were uncomfortable about it.

Lear is a notorious ass-hole but he is not dumb. He knows he fucked her over with Locust and then insulted her by letting Reiner do his film.

When you fuck someone over, it is wise not to trust them.

[quote] Sally looks great in 1981

She looked better in 1972. I always pictured her Gaetaway character as Gloria's adventures before she met Mike.

Wow, R165, I remember thinking the same thing — Moreno always seemed to be trying to pull focus during the “9 to 5” promo material!

[quote]Has Chita Rivera commented yet?

CHITA: Chita is Chita and NOT Rita!

RITA: Rita is Rita and NOT Chita!

CHITA: Liza likes Chita, but NOT Rita!

RITA: I am a versatile actress.

CHITA: As long as you stay on a mattress!

RITA: I can play any role I choose.

CHITA: Gypsies, Italians, and Black Jews.

[quote]R149 it was in poor taste to have a fat woman asking for money to feed children... if they couldn't get someone as thin as Audrey Hepburn then they shouldn't have filmed a commercial at all.

I think that’s a worse approach: insistence that food is important... by a stick that refuses food?

The first five minutes of the first episode of the One Day at a Time reboot is cringe-inducing due to the way Ms. Moreno was introduced. She throws open the curtains and mugs for applause.

I have the DVD of West Side Story signed by Academy Award winner Miss Rita Moreno .

Rita's reaction at winning an Oscar in 1962 is not all that different than her reaction at winning a Tony in 1975.(R43)

I remember when Sally and Kate Jackson both had guest hosting duties on The Mike Douglas Show. At different times, of course.

What I remember most about their stints was how they both complained about missing important film roles because their producers were unwilling to let them go long enough to do the parts. Sally talked TDOTL and Kate lost out on the female lead in [italic]Kramer vs. Kramer[/italic]. They both sounded rather bitter about it.

What is TDOTL?

R219, Too Dark Or Too Light, Rose.

The Day of the Locust r219.

Bea Arthur lost out on Deep Throat because Norman Lear wouldn't release her long enough from Maude. Linda Lovelace got the part instead.

R215, plus not even an attempt at a Cuban accent.

It is not a difficult accent--but she uses her standard Googie Gomez accent instead. Of course no one tried to do the right accent, which made you wonder why they did not just make the characters Puerto Ricon or Dominican.

Would you ever see a show having a Parisian grandma talking with a Sicilian accent?

I never made it to the second episode.

R215, I don't think that's her fault. The whole show has an element of camp...on purpose.

On the subject of “The Day of the Locust”, one thing I’ve never understood — Karen Black stated in more than one interview that appearing in “The Day of the Locust” was the biggest mistake of her career. Considering all of the Z-grade schlock that Black later agreed to, that she singled out a respectable project with excellent talent on both sides of the camera as her biggest career mistake is a real head-scratcher.

I think that had more to do with the filming experience and not the finished product, r225. What role was Sally up for in that?

Sally Struthers was offered the role of Faye Greener, the role that Karen Black played in the film. Black mag have been a little too old for the role of the teasing player (in the book, the character is a teenager, though they skewed older in the film) but she is excellent in the film.

Sally wanted the role of Faye. imdb says that Jane Fonda, Goldie Hawn and Jill Clayburgh all turned it down. I wonder if Sally was ever offered the role.

Also, Karen Black was a Scientologist, so who knows what they told her to say.

R225, "Airport 1975" must have slipped her mind.

Well, Karen made Faye, a shallow character, rather fascinating. Raquel really wanted the role.

Norman Lear wouldn't let her film the movie so she was clearly offered a role in it.

[quote]Raquel really wanted the role.

Poor Raquel was still living down the stink of Myra Breckinridge.

Interesting that Struthers is so bitter seeing as how Locust was hardly a success and did nothing for anyone's career. Jackson's gripes are at least understandable, if a bit delusional seeing how Streep wrote her courtroom monologue which essentially won her the Oscar, so...

Moreno gave blowjobs to half of Hollywood.

R234, She gave one to Jack in "Carnal Knowledge".

The critical response to Day of the Locust was mixed, and the role of Faye is pretty gruesome, and I can see people who felt Karen Black was a critical darling before the film thinking she'd "sullied her reputation" afterwards. She also had a tough time on set if I recall but I don't remember the details. I think Atherton was a real handful.

R232, With the "Cannery Row" debacle looming.

[quote]Moreno gave blowjobs to half of Hollywood.

Such indolence!

I think that at the time, r233, she thought that it would be a good career move.

R233, I think it might have done better with Struthers. She is more right for the character. Her youthfulness and vulnerability, plus the surprise of seeing a TV star in a surprizing role might have helped the film do better.

Bruce LaBruce’s Academy of the Underrated: The Day of the Locust

The Canadian auteur reconsiders John Schlesinger's expansive take on Nathanael West's classic novella about '30s Hollywood.

Yikes, I’d never heard that Raquel Welch wanted the role of Faye in “The Day of the Locust”. I don’t think she would have brought the same depth to the character that Karen Black did!

[quote]Norman Lear wouldn't let her film the movie so she was clearly offered a role in it.

She was probably offered the role of Adore and Norman Lear was just being kind.

I don't think Sally was looking at it from Lear's point of view. If the movie sucked, it might damage the rising popularity of All In the Family through association with Sally. At that moment, he needed Sally to be the "Vivian Vance" of All in the Family and probably wouldn't risk breaking up the comic foursome of O'Connor, Stapleton, Reiner and Struthers.

I think with Reiner, he was already Hollywood Royalty and Lear probably didn't want to start a war with his father.

R233 here, I actually recall liking the film though it's been twenty years since I've seen it, but I just remember reading that it was not a success, but I agree with whoever said that Struthers might have done better in the part than Black. Black is always really distracting to watch.

I believe I read that in After Dark, r242.

You can't cast someone who looks like Raquel in the role of Faye. She has to be someone who physically looks like the kind of woman who THINKS she's gonna be a star, but doesn't really have the beauty for it.

Sally's look and experience in The Getaway and Five Easy Pieces would have made her a good choice. Karen Black was probably a better choice because she's a better actress, but as much as I love her, she wasn't very good in Locust.

I’ve always loved the poster artwork!

Thank god they didn't cast Bernadette Peters as Faye. I could just about stand hearing Karen Black's grating voice at 6:00 am.

[quote]She was probably offered the role of Adore and Norman Lear was just being kind.

I assume you're joking with that, but a glance at the cast list and I don't see ANY other character that she could have been offered. No way would she have been Mary Dove. Maybe Adore's mother, Mrs. Loomis?

The lady who played Mrs. Loomis, Gloria LeRoy, was on All in the Family as a guest star, one time with the last name Loomis, apparently three years before Day of the Locust. Very strange.

Sally HAD the role and was trying to work out a schedule. Lear wouldn't let her off so Sally suggested getting a stand in all week for blocking and she would come on Friday tape day, learn all the blocking and tape that night. Lear said no.

Sally had two A pictures on her resume already, "Five Easy Pieces" and "The Getaway" so this would have advanced her movie career. Karen Black and Burgess Meredith were nominated for The Golden Globe but Burgess went to an Oscar nomination and Black was snubbed.

[quote]Sally HAD the role and was trying to work out a schedule.

She should have broken her contract with Lear.

Anyone who thinks Sally Struthers would have had a successful movie career in talkies has never heard her speak.

That’s an interesting read at R241, thank you for sharing!

Talentless, pasty, doughy twat. Save the children? Why not try saving your next donut? Don't blame me for your shitty career. If it makes you feel better, you can fuck yourself with my EGOT awards until your leather-like roast-beef lips are tenderized enough to feed half of Appalachia.

Fat bitch.

Karen Black and Sally Kellerman, crazy eyed.

[quote]It is not a difficult accent--but she uses her standard Googie Gomez accent instead. Of course no one tried to do the right accent, which made you wonder why they did not just make the characters Puerto Ricon or Dominican.

Why not make them MEXICAN or Central American, since they were in LA? We don't have many Caribbean Hispanics here.

I recall Sally Struthers giving an interview a few years back about being ready for retirement, but that she has to work to earn a living.

Even with television actors being paid much less than what they make today, I was curious as to why she was not in a better position after all those years as a regular on 'All in the Family.' Turns out she went through her savings trying to get out of her contract with Norman Lear after missing out on 'Day of the Locust;' she was pissed off about the nepotism and boys' club atmosphere that allowed Rob Reiner to leave when he wanted but not her.

She talks about wearing a sweatshirt that said "Prisoner of Rehearsal Hall Three" before taping. Dramatic!

[quote]She talks about wearing a sweatshirt that said "Prisoner of Rehearsal Hall Three" before taping.

I'm going to save that for if anyone ever starts a thread "Why Did Sally Struthers' Career Go Down the Shitter?"

Karen claimed rumors of her being unprofessional started when she was filming Locust and it wound up damaging her career.

People forget that Karen was a well known star in the early to mid 70's. Airport 1975 at the time was the anticipated sequel to an award winning, box office smash. By the late 70's her clout started to rapidly evaporate.

Struthers mentioned the sweatshirt in the Marc Maron interview, too.

Interesting to speculate how she would have done in “The Day of the Locust”, though I think Karen Black is excellent in the film.

And all because she couldn't land that damn plane by herself, r259!

Was she the first one to make headsets desirable?

[quote]Even with television actors being paid much less than what they make today, I was curious as to why she was not in a better position after all those years as a regular on 'All in the Family.' Turns out she went through her savings trying to get out of her contract with Norman Lear after missing out on 'Day of the Locust;' she was pissed off about the nepotism and boys' club atmosphere that allowed Rob Reiner to leave when he wanted but not her.

It's the old myth that working actors are rich. Syndication rates were lower then. Sure actors don't make minimum wage but most actors don't make millions a year either. Right from the start actors have to pay taxes, lose 10% off the gross for a manager, another 10 % for an agent and extras like a publicist etc.

Lynda Carter has said she hasn't seen a dime from Wonder Woman since the show was originally on the air.

But she got to keep the golden lasso right?

[quote]Karen claimed rumors of her being unprofessional started when she was filming Locust and it wound up damaging her career.

Or maybe it was the Scientology that she was practicing. If you show up for work everyday trying to convert people, of course they are going to steer clear of you.

Lynda has both versions of the Wonder Woman costume in a display case in her home.

I believe this thread is Datalounge at its best. Absolutely yummy!

Chita Rivera: Ms. Moreno, her rude gyrations Are all lousy imitations Though we both did West Side Story Hers was like chicken catchatoriy She got all the glory But don't let that cat in I'm the fiery Latin I was the world's first Anita

Girl: We know you were

Rivera: Don't mix us up I am Chita

Chita Rivera is not Rita Rita Moreno is not Chita Chita is Chita and not Rita I would prefer you forgot Rita

This little ditty reminds you Who is the what and the who’s who She gets the movies and ‘Bravos!’ I get the nightclubs and bomb shows

My name is Chita and not Rita Rita is Rita but not Chita Liza likes Chita but not Rita I wouldn’t mind if they shot Rita

I’m the one starred on Broadway From the 50’s and the 60’s to the current day, people And I invented the “Ay! Ay!” While Rita was lisping in King and I

I have done Bye Bye Birdie, Chicago, Bajour And I never miss a matinee, people And when chorus boys yell and scream “Ay! Ay! Ay!” How I love all of the gay people

My name is Chita and not Rita Rita is Rita and not Chita Liza hates Rita but not Chita Why won’t the union boycott Rita?

Rita Moreno (spoken): Hello Chita!

Rivera (spoken): Rita! What are you doing here?

Moreno (spoken): I be doing the movie version of The Rink. I’ll probably win another Oscar. You can present it.

Rivera (spoken): (Laugh) I’d sooner die.

Moreno (spoken): You probably will. I just came to credify one thing. (sings) My name is Rita and not Chita Though I look like you a lot, Chita When people smoke too much pot, Chita They think you’re me and I’m not Rita

Rivera: I am a versatile actress.

Moreno: Long as you stay on the mattress.

Rivera: I can play any role I choose

Moreno: Gypsies, Italians and Black Jews

(Rivera screams)

Moreno: When I go out on a date, Chita People say there goes the great Rita But when they see who, they state, Chita Looks like you put on some weight, Chita

Rivera (spoken): Ay, ay, ay! I’m gonna show you how I was the first to do this! And it goes like this!

Both mumble and yell various “Ay! Ay! Ay!”s

Both: So if you want to keep who’s who straight Here’s how to settle the great debate I am the one you should emulate She is the one who should migrate

There is Rita and Chita and Liza And Lisa and Liza and Chita And Pia Zadora and Lisa And Mia and Liza and Chita Mia, Liza, Rita, Chita, Rio, Rita, Liza, Pia, Pita, Debbie Allen (Gasp) And Me.

I love Karen in "Airport 75" and wish they had found a role for Sally as her bubbly blonde stewardess BFF,

[quote]Or maybe it was the Scientology that she was practicing. If you show up for work everyday trying to convert people, of course they are going to steer clear of you.

Yeah, look how much it hurt Tom Cruise's career.

No, R262, that was Judy, the TimeLife Operator.

its widely believed They fired Her....

I don't trust Norman Lear because of the hat.

[italic]Top Dyke of the Labial Ring-Tossers, [/italic]I thought it was?

^^ For

[quote] r219 what is TDOTL?

[Quote]r220 Too Dark Or Too Light, Rose.

Is Sally Struthers the one who played the younger chubby homely sister on that Michael J. Fox show?

I'll admit that Moreno doesn't have much acting range (not that she's been given a full range of roles for us to find out) but she certainly has more of a range than Struthers.

Although I hear that Struther's Dolly at the Burt Reynold's Dinner Theatre was the talk of the town!

Marc Marin disgusts me

Me too.

Maron, by the way.

lil ole sally got kicked to the save the kids curb??

Did you haters know that Sally 12 Emmys, in 1972 and 1978 for best supporting actress?. She was nominated five times

honey i saw her in Dolly and it was humiliating....

It is weird to realize that coming off of Five Easy Pieces and The Getaway, she was probably the most recognizable face on All In the Family.

Team Struthers, FWIW.

What I wonder from time to time, be it Struthers or any actor in a sitcom of the 70s, 80s, up to today, even, is what one of the posters above was noting about percentages. I, too, have wondered how do prominent actors (recognizable, anyway) claim they have run out of money. I don't believe nor disbelieve them, but I do wonder just what are the percentages that they have coming from their earnings. What are the standard percentages and expenses they have? Taxes, manager, publicist...what else, expenses that non-actors don't have to contend with? When did residuals come into play?

Crazy Struthers, Bateman threads, what’s next Brisebois or Cummings?

Was she related to Catman Struthers?

[quote]Although I hear that Struther's Dolly at the Burt Reynold's Dinner Theatre

Please get help.

{quote]honey i saw her in Dolly and it was humiliating....

Not as humiliating as you watching the whole show with your head up your ass.

She made a string of really good television movies in seventies and eighties...right up there with Elizabeth Montgomery and Patty Duke when it came to good stories. [italic]Aloha Means Goodbye, Intimate Strangers and A Gun in the House[/italic]. I miss good TV movies.

Marc Maron is a great interviewer.

R282, I've been told that Betty White's Dolly in the 1970s was abysmal.

[Quote] Did you haters know that Sally 12 Emmys, in 1972 and 1978 for best supporting actress?. She was nominated five times

For the same role.

I recall watching an Emmy broadcast where she was the only All in the Family cast member not to win. The actress who played Rhoda’s sister won

In 1972, Sally tied with Valerie Harper.

The [italic]South Park[/italic] episode that skewered her was sadistic. Have to admit that I chuckled a bit.

I think that Fran Drescher cracked on her as well in a episode of [italic]The Nanny[/italic].

I looked up her house in LA and it is very modest by LA standards, probably worth about $2M.

And in the whole podcast, not a single mention of Gilmore Girls.

Sally was on Celebrity Ghost Stories talking about how terrified she was to live in a haunted house.

Is she gay? The lack of any talk about personal relationships is usually a sign with women her age.

Sally's episode of Celebrity Ghost Stories.

They should've changed it up a bit on the Save The Children ads by putting a black wig on Sally. A black wig would've looked so hot on her.

You mean Marge Simpson, r292.

R300 I’m now envisioning her in a cheap wig that’s curly and short! Like a Betty Boop but worse. Oh dear!

I don’t even know is she alive or dead?

Tee hee

Little goyle no more

Think of the poor ghosts, terrified of being sat on.

One reason Lear might not have liked Struthers is her continued connections to the religious right.

She didn't make a single appearance on the 700 Club & TBN shows (as someone upthread alleged) but was probably in the top 5 entertainers to lend their name to those causes (anti LGBT, abortion, gun control. pro death penalty, etc.).

Lear is rumored to be bisexual & his "People For The American Way" organization monitored the religious right's actions across the globe which Struthers HAD to have known about as he has done so many interviews over the years about this cause that is so near & dear to him.

It seems like one of bigoted old Sally's fringe benefits for doing all of those appearances was to get back at Lear.

I'm sure Rob Reiner & Carroll O'Connor (who both supported us when Anita Bryant went on her late 70s rampage) were not too thrilled with her for doing those appearances either. I recall Reiner has done several things for Lear's PFTAW over the years. All 3 are solid dems in their causes. Jean S. is/was a mystery to me politically. Sally is the only known AITF cast member to kiss GOP ass. in public

So it’s true, Lear is planning to outlive her out of spite!

r307 I think you're getting Sally confused with another blonde comedienne, Victoria Jackson.

Wrong R309 (& wishful thinking on your part). I know the difference between Sally & Victoria.

Sally was doing the religious right circuit LONG before Victoria came out as a right wing wacko.

She would also promote the "Christian Children's Fund" & kiss the religious right ass in the process. back in the 80s.

Sally Struthers is not anti-gay, no matter how much you think she is.

She had to, didn't she, R310? In order to do the commercials she had to tow the line with them.

I thought she lost weight

[quote]I thought she lost weight

Apparently she found it again. It was in the refrigerator the whole time.

R312 Sally didn't have to do anything.

She could've done the religious right thing & sued them for infringing on her religious beliefs if they did or say something contrary to her supposed standards.

Struthers made so many appearances (on so many different shows) that has to have been her core beliefs on the various matters.

R311 Pro gay celebs like Elizabeth Taylor, Betty White, Judith Light & also the Modern Family & Glee casts would never be caught dead on shows like The 700 Club, TBN & Kenneth Copeland.

Isn't Sally a lesbian?

I've heard lots of celebrity rumors R316 but never that one.

[quote]Sure actors don't make minimum wage but most actors don't make millions a year either. Right from the start actors have to pay taxes, lose 10% off the gross for a manager, another 10 % for an agent and extras like a publicist etc.

If you're lucky. It's more like anywhere between 10%-20% depending on the market to both the agent and the manager and also depending on whether you are union or non-union. Union would be 10% agent and an additional 10-15% to your manager. Non-union actors can sadly (market dependent) end up paying upwards of 20% to their agent. Essentially before taxes and paying anyone else like a publicist or a lawyer ... you could get 25% of your salary hacked off.

[quote]Sally was doing the religious right circuit LONG before Victoria came out as a right wing wacko.

She's not anti-gay. She was chirping about her support of gay marriage over a decade ago.

[quote]She had to, didn't she, [R310]? In order to do the commercials she had to tow the line with them.

They wanted a celebrity spokesperson and they got one. She didn't have to tow the line at all with them. They needed her. Furthermore she left them and went to their competitor, "Save the Children." She did work with multiple children's charities back then even beyond those two.

R318 Since I boycotted anything Sally did back in the 80s & 90s, I haven't kept up with her on any level.

She may have made a comment about gay marriage over a decade ago (when it became easier to do so then say back in the 90s) but she wasn't always by our side when the Pat Robertsons & Benny Hinn were saying gay men "were going to put blood contaminated with AIDS" in water towers across the US in order to get more support for their cause & AIDS funding."

Struthers was hanging out with these slanderers & not condemning any of the hatful lies they spilled over the public air waves & around the world (these evangelists had set back the entire gay & AIDS movements for years if not decades in various nations with all of their words & actions).

Sally may have saved some lives from hunger but what about the :LGBT ones that still had horrible lives from the rhetoric she helped promote?

Struthers is like Gloria Gaynor, Donna Summer, Patti LaBelle & Valerie Harper. They say they're gay friendly in an interview & then go on all of these religious right shows talking about the "lack of morals" which to these types is a code that includes our community.

The bottom line is if they're all such fans of these religious right shows like The 700 Club, then they HAVE TO KNOW what they're about when it comes to the fearmongering, slander & discrimination that they send our way on a continuing basis.

I worked with Valerie Harper and she was very gay friendly. She had no hangups at all about gay men.

I smell a Loon lurking about....

Donna Summer killed her career with the born again Jesus shit in the 80s. And yes, she did go on the 700 Club. How could she have been so clueless as to who the majority of her fans were?

Harper did countless interviews with The 700 Club about any subject they wanted.

Valerie never corrected them when the "news" segments at the start of the show slandered us as unfit parents (such as the famous Sharon Bottoms case in the early 90s) among other cases.

She could 've said "I must take issue with your news desk hit piece as I know many gays & lesbians & they make wonderful parents."

Nothing was said in our defense on gays in the military (no "they just want a job & do a patriotic duty"), civil unions or the awful "Defense Of Marriage Act"(no "they just want to visit their partners in the hospital, make medical decisions for them, claim their loved one at the morgue".), anti discrimination protections (she was on these shows in the early 90s when Colorado passed their amendment banning local governments from passing anti discrimination measures . She said no "gay friendly" words on our behalf like they just want to make ends met like every heterosexual American).

Harper (as well as Struthers) could've went to bat for us when we need a player the most but she chose to stay in the dugout. Some hero.

I don't see anything online about Valerie Harper on the 700 Club. I'm not saying you're lying, I'm just saying it's odd that there's apparently no info.

[quote]Rita Moreno is one of the first EGOTs. She deserves all her awards. Multi-talent.

Well...except that Oscar, that was a travesty!

R322 Donna like Gloria Gaynor only want our $$$.

I believe they take our money & donate them to their religious right causes & justify performing for largely gay audiences as dong "the Lord's work".

R324 Unfortunately very few celeb interviews are on the CNB website or YouTube. Our community could learn alot from these revelations (pun intended).

Harper got a conservative voting block by appearing on these shows & tried to use them for votes when she went up against Melissa Gilbert for SAG President but that wasn't enough for her to pull out a win. I never saw her on any of these shows after that. It's possible she used these right wing platforms strictly for her own employment/financial ambitions like Norma McCorvey.

^ CBN website.

I do remember the controversy over Donna Summer. She claimed she never made any anti-gay comments. I wonder if the truth is somewhere in the middle. She got crazy religious in the 80s.

[quote]Jean S. is/was a mystery to me politically.

She always struck me as an extremely private person in general, but I tend to think she wouldn't have willingly and enthusiastically played Eleanor Roosevelt on multiple occasions if she were a conservative.

R326 So, in other words, you're just pulling random shit out of your ass without any basis of proof.

[quote]Wow, now I know I must have been abducted by aliens and left the planet for a few years. I was a TV nut and I have ZERO remembrance that a sitcom of "9 To 5" existed let alone ran for five seasons. Had to look it up and it premiered on ABC March 25, 1982 at 9:00PM.

Same (more or less)—I can hold forth for hours about obscure sitcoms and Movies of the Week, but I only remember the terrible, cheap-looking syndicated series with Sally and Ed Winter as the boss. I had no idea it had ever been on network TV, much less that Miss Jean Marsh had co-starred as Roz the Rat.

R330 Write to Valerie Harper's next of kin & ask if they kept any of her 700 Club appearances on tape or try your luck with CBN.

Tell them your a fan of hers or that you're doing research for something. Whatever works.

You might end up with a copy of her "greatest hits" in your possession. Ask for Donna or Sally's appearances too while you're at it.

R332 Honey, you're the dumb cunt who insists all this shit is the truth.

You're the one who needs to come up with the receipts, not me.

Fuckin' loon.

Sally’s ex-husband is the one who founded the Rader Institute.

I don't need to come up with any receipts for anyone because I never promised anyone any) so sorry R333 if I don't have a bunch of hateful right wing talk shows on tape after nearly 40 years after they aired.

Maybe you should write to People For The American Way or The Southern Poverty Law Center who seem to keep an eye on these types of groups with lengthy files.

I don't have anything to prove to you directly. I'm just telling what I saw back in those decades when I was flipping thru the channels & saw Pat's ugly mug chatting up Valerie & Sally (about how Hollywood's morals were in the gutter & his show was bashing us as the worst people in the world while both of them sat back & said nothing).

You might not be aware but his Christian Coalition groups protested even having an episode of Roseanne Barr kissing a woman on the lips back in the early 90s. Roseanne could have pulled out a gun & shot a woman on the same episode but no a same sex kiss was more offensive to these crazy vultures.

R335 No one cares, Loon.

[quote]"You have to be without any good conscience to vote against a law that is going to give people the rights we all deserve . God is love and wants us to love one another."

How dare she!

she never was much of an actress alas......charity publicty is the refuge of has beens.

Checked back in after a while away. Saw some comments and I think I was better away.

Valerie Harper publicly supported the orange juice boycott when Anita Bryant was making her hateful comments against gay people.

I seriously doubt she did a 180 in just a few short years.

[quote] Harper (as well as Struthers) could've went to bat

Oh, dear!

Does Richard Masur still help carry her groceries or does Sally eat most of it before she gets home?

[quote]she had to tow the line with them

The expression is "toe the line."

Nobody gives a fuck r343. This isn't 9th grade English class. We all know what that poster meant.

[quote]What was the deal with all the cast changes in "9 to 5?" Seems like Valerie Curtin was the only one who was there the entire time. And they added a bunch of characters in the later season.

The constant changes ended up being the death of the show. I never watched it when it was on ABC, but according to TV historians it actually did fairly well its first couple of seasons. After Jane Fonda quit as executive producer and Leah Ayres replaced Valerie Curtin in the third season, the ratings took a nosedive and ABC pulled the plug before all the episodes aired.

I noticed in the opening-credits supercut at R169 that Phoebe Snow sang the theme song the first season, which makes me wonder if there was behind-the-scenes drama with Dolly before the premiere. Was she originally supposed to reprise Doralee for TV?

[quote]Was she originally supposed to reprise Doralee for TV?

Dolly was way too big a star at that time to even think about doing a TV series.

I think Rachel was picked because she came close to being like Dolly (for obvious reasons).

Jane did make a guest appearance on the show. But none of the others did.

"9 to 5" constantly changing cast and re-recorded theme song reminds me of "It's a Living/Making a Living."

But the "9 to 5" girls could never pivot like the "Living" girls.

The waitresses were interchangeable on "It's A Living" because they had the super talented Marian Mercer as Nancy and Paul Krebbs as the lounge lizard as tentpoles.

R348, that would be Paul Kreppel.

Sally is friends with the guy who runs the Ogunquit Playhouse, or something. I saw her in a couple of things, but just cameos. Froy was in One Day At A Time, the Latino remake of the TV series, for 3 or four episodes. Rita had young cast people come to her apartment one time.

R123 She said Carroll O'Connor popped meprobamate (Miltown) regularly when things were stressful on-set. It was a mild tranquilizer that was popular in the 1940s-1960s until benzos like Valium came along.

She says Norman Lear's assistant told her that she (the assistant) and others would read bestsellers each week and give summaries to Lear so he could discuss books with his guests at the dinner parties to which Sally was never invited. She doesn't hide her disgust at what she considered Lear's posing, but you can tell that she would have been thrilled to have been invited to one of those parties.

The stupid jokes she said Rob would call randomly to share were fart jokes like "what does a fart in control top pantyhose sound like?" followed by his imitation of what he thought that would sound like. She'd laugh and he'd hang up.

I may have misunderstood her but it sounded like she said Rob left his first wife, Penny Marshall, after meeting an on-set photographer, but the photographer Rob met was from the making of "When Harry Met Sally", made in 88-89, while Rob and Penny divorced in 1981.

It's possible that Rob was friendly vs cool as a result of various states of sobriety. Also, it's possible that Rob and Sally fooled around at some point and there was a deeper layer to the awkwardness that crept into their friendship after he remarried.

From wikipedia : [quote]"Reiner remembers, "I was in the middle of my single life. I'd been divorced for a while. I'd been out a number of times, all these disastrous, confusing relationships one after another." The next time [Reiner met up with Nora Ephron], Reiner said that he had always wanted to do a film about two people who become friends and do not have sex because they know it will ruin their relationship but have sex anyway. Ephron liked the idea, and Reiner acquired a deal at a studio."

After meeting the photographer on-set, Reiner changed the ending to Harry's and Sally's getting married, which means the original scrip had their relationship not working out.

Does this mean that Sally Struthers possibly inspired Meg Ryan's Sally?

She seems sweet and innocent but also unafraid to speak her mind and be critical. Maybe "earnest" is the word. There's a bit of Victoria Jackson going on, there.

Well, it’s obvious that Sally Struthers had what she’s having...and then some.

Was there an explanation of how a woman who looked like Meg Ryan would fall madly in love with a guy who looked like Billy Crystal?

R353 he was no Woody Allen - or Rob Reiner for that matter - he was kind of cute and definitely had an appeal. You can be Jewish looking and still cute, it is possible.

R329, Jean Stapleton's husband was gay as a goose.

She also basically called Rita a slut in the Maron interview, too. It's a great interview too. She talks Maron's ear off.

Sally said in an interview back in 2013 that she would love to retire, but she had a mortgage to pay.😳 I understand All In The Family didn’t pay Seinfeld money, but how the hell do you work for decades, have a doctor for an ex husband, and you don’t own your home at her age?

[quote] Bea Arthur lost out on Deep Throat because Norman Lear wouldn't release her long enough from Maude.

Then they offered it to Lucille Ball, but a wise Gary Morton talked her out of it.

Only then did it go to Linda Lovelace.

Oh Papa Tooney. We've got a Looney!

R357 Oh honey, lime shaded light is not going to make that look any better.

R358 Her guest rooms are full of refrigerators?

^ Oh it was R357 who asked that question.

haha anyone upset over Sally Struthers being anti-gay is a fucking MORON with WAY too much time on their hands. She isn't. She never was.

Get help, nutcase.

Sally fans can send their letters to Sybil Goolie at Ferguson's Market. Sybil is semi-retired but she still works at checkout #2 on Friday afternoons.

Sally ate all the African babies! That's why she got so fat.

r365 Did she order from the African Baby Catalog?

The hilarious part about this thread is most of the queens calling Sally fat haven't seen their dicks in twenty years.

R367, Twenty is being kind.

I've come to the conclusion that Rita Moreno is LOW CLASS.

She’s a quitter and always has been, she’s rarely seen anything through her whole life the (no so) little bitch!

She was very good with Ed Asner in the ABC Movie of The Week "Hey I'm Alive" a true story about a plane crash.

Was that the wilderness/plane crash/cannibal movie where Sally survives by killing and eating Ed Asner?

R371 Well that explains it, only eating melted snow for 49 days warped her for the rest of her life becoming a bottomless pit that always need to be filled lest she ever get stranded again without food.

"Hey I'm Alive. And I'm HUNGRY!"

Only a gayling like me remembers the night “Hey I’m Alive” premiered! 😉

It must be so depressing to go from young, thin, and cute, to fat, old, and witchy. I know that we're all going to lose our looks eventually, but Sally did so in spectacular fashion.

She got fat early, too. She was still in her thirties.

Awww, so what? She’s almost 75 now. Cut her some slack.

She made more of a contribution than, say, SUSAN RICHARDSON! Now there’s a useless sow.

Sally Struthers and Susan Richardson, together for the first time, in Jacqueline Susann's "Eight Donuts Is Not Enough."

Spinning donuts is more like it, bitches!!

Why didn’t she exercise and eat healthy when she was younger? It’s like after All In The Family she just gave up.

She got divorced. Then her spinoff show got axed and she found it harder to get roles as she aged. I can’t judge her too harshly. And she’s still here.

R323, was Sharon a Bottom?

Rita Moreno: Just a Girl Who Decided to Go for It new documentary.

It's like dieting--you can't lose weight if you keep eating stuff. In this case, children.

The clip of Hello Dolly is from the 50th Anniversary Tour (70 cities in six months, mostly one nighters, on a bus). Brutal. The tour not only created jobs for those involved in the tour itself but created revenue in every city it touched; hotels, theater staff, parking attendants, restaurants... on the title of the show and her name. These were not Tier A cities. Actors Equity lost many of these cities to non union tours in the nineties and early aughts, that's a huge loss, and this was an part of an attempt get those contracts back. Nothing against non union tours however now those non union tours play the smaller cities and then are slipped into the seasons of Tier A cities. That means we pay a Broadway ticket price for a tour that's paying the staff $300/week, no benefits. She works like a dog, job to job to job. As I understand it (she told me this) she never received residuals from All In The Family as she wasn't considered a star, only stars received residuals. Things have changed. She is extremely bright, funny and generous. If she met you years ago, she will most likely remember your name and who you are. She is one of the kindest people I've ever met. She is five feet tall, or less, and as far as weight, aging ain't for sissies and can be especially unkind to women. She is tough, ballsy, and has a sense of humor about herself. There's a point where the jabs at her crossed into the unacceptable. Yeah, it's funny. And horribly mean. What if that was your mom they were tearing to shreds? In front of the world. Or you? A single working mom, a girl's gotta eat. Just sayin'.

South park was too harsh on her. Her heart was in the right place. SP made a big deal of going after everyone but they were always more cruel and merciless towards liberals.

They laid into Rob Reiner too.

The Moreno documentary tanked........$237K gross, pulled from theaters in less than a week.

[quote]The Moreno documentary tanked........$237K gross, pulled from theaters in less than a week.

Probably because she seems like a bitch and honestly isn’t that interesting.