Shelley Hack - why is she so popular?

Because she thinks your way!

Tiffany Welles was the epitome of East coast sophistication.

Is Shelley more popular than Veronica Lake? Because I know Veronica is really popular. I want to look like her and I am a 50 yo gay man. Doesn't everyone, nowadays?

I don’t know who the fuck Veronica Lake is. I’m 47 yrs led.

OK. Well you know who is really popular? Lady Godiva. She is so popular, the most popular gal nowadays, that Lady Godiva. From the famous chocolate family you know.

[Quote] I’m 47 yrs led.

Led to wter?

R5 go jump in the toilet.

Toilets are very popular.

I’m a Tiffany troll!

Here she is starring in Cutter to Houston a medical series with Alec Baldwin. Nowadays, he's the big star!

Op: is aging badly. Her Caftan is tatty.

II want to discuss Thelma Ritter. Just why is she so popular? And Karen Valentine? Well?

Because she's the fragrance that's here TODAY!

Tiffany kicks ass

What about Clara Bow - she has IT!

I think the secret to her DL popularity is her immense sense of style.

OP’s video is a great representation of Miss Tiffany Welles.

I watched "King of Comedy" way after it came out and was surprised to see Shelly Hack in there.

Her hair always looked like it needed a good conditioner...maybe VO5 hot oil treatment.

Hair always looked good to me.

Shelley was mentioned on the Sopranos. The guys even broke into singing the Charlie commercial (Hesh and Paulie Walnuts, etc.).

[quote]II want to discuss Thelma Ritter. Just why is she so popular?

Hey now, let’s leave Queen Thelma out of this.

Thelma was the best thing in Rear Window.

What about the mid-80’s classic Jack and Mike?

Did Aaron just not re-new her contract for season 5? That must have been painful for her. I actually don't think she was THAT bad, they never really developed her character of Tiffany Welles. Shelley must have had a great agent, because after getting FIRED from "Charlies Angels" she was cast as the lead in 2 other network series.

R24 I think it was a network decision. The ratings weren’t good. They needed a scapegoat and so she was an easy one. If they wanted a renewal they would have to replace her. Besides the search for an Angel always generated press so it was a win/win. I agree they never really gave her a chance and in later episodes I think she started to develop the character.

Let's face it. She was also flat-chested and it was a show that featured women running down the street, jiggling. Somehow, Kate Jackson was OK, maybe because Farrah Fawcett made up for all that was lacking.

I think it would have been very difficult for the show to survive both the loss of Fawcett AND Jackson. Bringing on new people in a pretty small cast (only 5 actors) is hard for viewers to adapt to. Shows that do this tend to suffer. ALL IN THE FAMILY comes to mind. Losing Sally Struthers and Rob Reiner creatively killed that show.

Jackson wanted out like Farrah. If I was Aaron I would have made Kate suffer and fulfill her contract of 5 years. Kate got to walk, no lawsuit, no 6 required "guest appearances" like Farrah. It was really unfair. If I was Jaclyn and Cheryl I would have been pissed.

Is she?

Yes, I too question this as is she? Have you seen my pussy?

Who?

Was I there?

I don't think so.

They always just pointed over their shoulders and said, "before girls."

Tanya Roberts was awful - Shelly must have laughed her ass off when they announced Roberts as her replacement.

Shelly Hack is wonderful in her Charlie ads. I just love seeing them on the TEEVEE. I can't wait til later this spring when I can nip over to the Carlyle for a cocktail with Bobby Short. Then a twirl at Studio 54. Who's game?

Stupid asses post here! Ugh! Shelly Hack’s season 4 of Charlie’s Angels finished the top 20 of tv shows. Season 5 dropped into the 40s-50s.

r35 I don't understand why they fired her? She must have been REALLY difficult to work with..

Did Jaclyn Smith really want to get out of her contract? She seemed like she appreciated the work (money).

Is Shelley off Angels now? Who is on it next season? Is Shelley going Hollywood? Gonna be the pictures?

Jaclyn struck me as loyal to the show although she was admittedly very ready to leave by the last year.

R39 I think both Jaclyn AND Cheryl were. They managed to survive and still thrive with Farrah leaving. But when Kate left it was too much. They should’ve just kept Shelley through the end of the series. A revolving door cast doesn’t bode well for high ratings.

Who here flicked their bean to her poster?

R24 that's THREE series - after ANGELS she also landed NIGHT COURT and did a day or two of work and got fired from that too, or left.

r42 Are you kidding me? How in the fuck did she keep getting hired? No talent what so ever, and pretty, but nothing spectacular by any means. I remember Aaron offered her acting lessons and she refused

I think Cheryl Ladd was more approachable.

Let's be clear: Kate Jackson invented "Charlie's Angels", the name and the whole concept were her ideas! (she never got paid a cent for her ideas though!) So without Kate Jackson, no "Charlie's Angels". She was the only actress on the show and she knew the ropes. The other inexperienced angels learned a lot from her. She was the leader on and off screen, protecting the other girls from being overworked. Jackson also demanded better scripts because she had been promised a show with more depth. The executives didn't like for a woman to speak her mind. The 70's... That's where "she's difficult" started. A woman not wanting to don a bikini but wanting to improve the show! You go, girl! By early season 3 Spelling wouldn't let Jackson do "Kramer vs. Kramer" and that's when she definitely wanted out. She fulfilled her contract and finished season 3 and told them she'd quit so Spelling told her she can't quit she's fired. In a documentary Spelling recalls saying "hell, what next!!" after Jackson had told them she wanted to do something else. So they were desperate because they were going to lose their real star, the real actress with the special something, who had been there from the beginning! Jaclyn said she hated to see Kate go. Which is no surprise. Kate, Farrah and Jaclyn had true chemistry. Charlie's Angels was never the same after Kate Jackson left.

r45 IF that true that Kate was the only actress on the show and so important to the series, than why didi they let her walk out with 2 years left on her contract? They sue Farrah, stop her from working with a non-compete, and make her come back for 6 guest appearances. Kate has a hissy fit and calls the shots? They didn't let Jaclyn do the James Bond movie "Moonraker" and it makes sense that Kate couldn't do "Kramer VS Kramer". They had contract obligations, "Charlies Angels" made those girls.

Kate needs to remember the role in "Kramer vs Kramer" didn't win an Academy Award, it was the PERFORMANCE. Meryl Streep compared to Jackson is a ridiculous comparison.

I think Kate could have been very good in Kramer vs Kramer. Would it have been a different performance? Of course. Meryl Streep was also at the beginning of her career. R47 you're making a comparison on a career of a body of work.

Kate Jackson also if I remember has never spoken publicly about not being able to do the role. But I could see how as an actress being offered as role as prestigious as that and not being able to do it. It would be a disappointment.

Shelley Hack is NOT popular. She is everyone's least favorite angel. I would even go so far as to say Shelley Hack is hated. The rot set in when she joined.

I was surprised to see that Shelley hosted one of those clips shows for Charlie's Angels in the late 1990s / early 2000s.

Shelly Hack IS popular. She is MY FAVORITE ANGEL! She is NOT HATED.

[quote] Charlie's Angels was never the same after Kate Jackson left.

To be fair, the “quality” of the writing started taking a nosedive in Season 3. And the boring Kris solo episode, “Rosemary for Resemblance” at the end of S3 was a preview of what was to come in S4 where we got a lot of solo Angel episodes which tended to be boring (the exception being the Big Aggie episode which will always be a series standout!). The best episode of S4 by far was the three Angels being hunted on an island.

The 2 things I love about the S4 Angel Hunt episode id that Kris and Kelly don't even try to help Tiffany, or even look for her, and that after finding out the Angels caught the bad guy, Charlie speeds away from the island so they don't see him, yet the island is still full of Tigers

I love r59’s take on that episode.

Focused and galvanized

Tiffany & Kris are onto something

Toot toot hey beep beep

Jac & Hack

Hot on your ass in the orange Pinto!

Kris: “Poor Tiffany.”

Kelly: “Which one is she?”

Pretty Tiffany

If Shelly had sex reassignment surgery

Gorgeous and underrated

My hair may need a Alberto VO5 hot oil treatment but I’m still chic.

R52 who really watched CA for the literate scripts? It was mainly about t and a and the chemistry the cast had before Kate left. Spelling knew how to do junk food entertainment like no other.

Actually the best episode of S4 was Harrigan's Angel with Howard Duff. Its a terrific episode. Actually one of the best of the series.

R66 I hated that episode.

Shelley Hack is HATED! Her hoity-toity mien was the dead weight that began dragging the show down to the depths. Even the in-your-face street smarts of Tanya Roberts could not save the sinking ship. I hate Shelley Hack!

Bye bye r68.

[quote]IF that true that Kate was the only actress on the show and so important to the series, than why didi they let her walk out with 2 years left on her contract?

Kate signed a seven-year contract with Spelling-Goldberg to do The Rookies. She was committed to do another series with them if The Rookies got canceled before then, which it did.

That's why she was in on Charlie's Angels from the creation. She did four seasons of The Rookies and three of Charlie's Angels.

R70 don’t really give a shit. She was my least favorite. I was happy to see her go.

[quote] who really watched CA for the literate scripts? It was mainly about t and a and the chemistry the cast had before Kate left.

That’s true...to a point. As a gayling I definitely wasn’t interested in the T&A aspect! And as far as chemistry there was a lot of it in S1, but Kate and Cheryl had very little of it which is quite evident in hindsight. The strength of Season 2 was that it had fun premises - the circus, a beauty pageant, Hawaii...

If there had been more episodes like “Angel Hunt” in S4 I think the show would have remained Top 10 in the ratings. And Shelley would have given a fair chance. She did get more likable as the season progressed.

Yeah it didn’t remain in the Top 10. Instead the Top 20.

Shelley did her own stunts. Would Jaclyn have done this? I don’t fucking think so!

So, she's a real "jack of all trades" r74?

She was a master of modelling.

Way too many episodes from S4 listed here. I think OP voted a hundred times or something.

Shelley turned down the role of Joanna in KRAMER VS. KRAMER, too, but you don’t hear her bitching about it.

Kate was like a dog with a bone.

For Jaclyn Smith fans, watch "Shear Genius," specifically, the season featuring DL favorite Tabatha Coffey.

R46 Of course it is true! R70 explains it perfectly. On a side note Farrah was paid $150,000 Dollars for each of her guest appearances. None of the involved were allowed to make this public for several years.

As I said Jackson created the show that made those girls. It also made Kate a huge star but she was already very popular with audiences when she did "The Rookies". Kate was no Barbie Doll and never intended to be one. Instead she brought warmth, depth and credibility to the show. Also comedy. She changed a lot of things. Kate said it was the most fun creating characters that weren't written in the scripts, doing accents, doing anything that made the character and the scenes completely different in a good way. It is widely recognized that Kate Jackson was the only true actress on the show. And a very talented one at that who had studied at the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in NYC. She had a lot of acting experience when she became an Angel. You don’t have to be an expert to see Jackson’s great skill.

The Kramer vs. Kramer people were very willing to be accommodating to Jackson's Charlie’s Angels schedule. And Kate was willing to fly to NYC on weekends to do the movie and work on CA during the week! There were negotiations and just when things seemed to work out Spelling/Goldberg made it impossible. Goldberg is on record saying they didn't know at the time what a wonderful part it was. I see…. Looks like if they had known they would have let Kate do the movie. It was a big mistake for them to prevent their star from doing that movie. The End of Charlie’s Angels. You are right R48!

Kate Jackson made a big splash in Dark Shadows circa '70-'71. It makes sense that Spelling-Goldberg—which wanted to become a major drama-series production house like QM—would sign her to a long-term deal starting in '72.

It also makes sense that Kate would be pissed off that she helped give Spelling-Goldberg two big hit dramas in six years and they couldn't work around her schedule for a few weeks to do one movie role.

Tiff was the one who held the team together to solve the case when Kris and Kelly were acting like two heartbroken teenage twats sparring over fucking Patrick Duffy! Maybe 5 should have been Tiffany with two new additions.

Shelley Hack would have made sense as a Jaclyn Smith replacement. They should have got a character type replacement for Kate - maybe a spunky teen in the Kristy McNichol mold.

Shelley gets too much blame and Kate gets too much credit for Charlie's Angels' downfall.

It all had to do with competition. CA was a smash hit in its first three seasons on Wednesdays at 9 because CBS and NBC had nothing to put against it. In season 4, NBC slotted Diff'rent Strokes against CA, which took the kiddie audience and knocked CA down to #20. Not that bad, considering.

But when Tanya Roberts joined, ABC moved CA to Sundays at 8 against Archie Bunker and CHiPS, and the ratings dropped into the bottom 10. If it had stayed on Wednesday at 9, it would have led into Dynasty and been fine. But a new programming regime wanted the old one's shows off the schedule.

R80 All Kate would do is chew gum and do a stereotype Brooklyn accent

R85 LMAO! Why don't you try to watch ALL of Kate's episodes instead of just "Counterfeit Angels".

R86 She aslo does it in Angels Ahoy

R87 Yes, you're right. She did IT twice out of 69 episodes OMG!

R88 Within episodes of each other. Not a good thing for such a talented, creative, highly trained actress

R89 I tell you what. Watch all of Kate's 69 episodes, try to pay attention not just to the obvious but to the nuances of her acting, be open, then let's discuss.

R90 I'm just kidding with you. I love Kate and Sabrina's my favorite. Still pissed Covid cancelled the Chiller Theatre show she was going to be at last April. Really wanted to meet her. Was going to get multiple things signed.

R91 Hahaha okay! Yeah, too bad the Chiller Theatre show had to be cancelled because of Covid! Such a pity. Otherwise you would have met Kate!!!

IMO, Kate Jackson's acting talent was somewhere in the middle. I do think she could have played that role in Kramer vs. Kramer (played by Meryl Streep).

Only on the DL are people still wondering "what if?" about Kate Jackson not being allowed to do KRAMER VS. KRAMER. I love you old queens.

Is Kate really mentally ill? I see updated info on Cheryl, Jaclyn, and Shelly. Kate was a HUGe part of that era.

Well, if she is, she doesn't bother the public.

I’m thinking about sponsoring an annual Shelley Hack fan meeting and inviting Ms. Hack herself.

I never see Kate Jackson’s adopted son, Charles. She adopted him in 1995.

R98 he’s probably dead.

There’s an actress that’s here today

And they call her…SHELLEY

A different actress that thinks your way

And they call her… SHELLEY

Kinda young, kinda now… SHELLEY

Kinda free, kinda [bold]WOW[/bold]… SHELLEY

Kinda actress that ‘s gonna stay

And she’s here now…SHELLEY

THATS why, BITCHES.

Farrah's fake ass smile as she stands next to Hack.

Shelley, also known as Untalented.

r101 Farrah must have been DYING every time she had to go back to Charlies Angels. I don't think that has ever happened before on a series, literally forcing Garrah back to ACT.

[quote]R83 Shelley Hack would have made sense as a Jaclyn Smith replacement. They should have got a character type replacement for Kate - maybe a spunky teen in the Kristy McNichol mold.

Didn’t they actually shoot some tests of McNichol when Sada Thompson had to “drop out” as a replacement angel? (Now the whole world knows she was fired)

Supposedly that caused a real breach between the two actresses.

r101. Had to be really awkward for Farrah. Shelley barely hanging on during the 4th season, Farrah coming back with no longer any buzz about her, Jaclyn wanting the whole thing over. They only good thing was Cheryl Ladd.

Cheryl Ladd is never a good thing.

You would have thought that Spelling/Goldberg would've learned after the Hack debacle that another conventionally 'pretty' Angel wasn't what the public wanted, they wanted a 'smart', 'sensible' Angel like Kate, which is why Sada Thompson would have been perfect. Sada's Angel Lorraine would've taken the show in a different direction and she would have brought over her fan base from Family, a completely different demographic. I know Sada's on record as saying she didn't like the costuming (jeans, twin sets and pumps) and didn't realize she would have to run so much, but the reality is it came down to Spelling/Goldberg not wanting to take a chance. As they found out quickly: it blew up in their face.

Cheryl was so old looking by Season 4.

Margo should have been the final Angel, not Julie.

r108 I noticed that about Cheryl also. It's like by the 4th season, she aged 10 years. She looks better now I think. I don't know what happened to her. Compare Season 2 into as Kris Munroe to Season 5. Cheryl just started to look tired. She really was working her 15 minutes, like 6 posters, 2 albums, ABC specials, guesting on every variety show to showcase her singing. Maybe she was just worn out?

R110 There was quite a few photos at Studio 54 in 78 -79. Bitch was partying hard!

Cheryl really had the BEST career - Broadway, albums, 2 series after CA, She still working today. As a replacement angel, she has really been able to make her way..

R108 is exaggerating.

R107 is an amoeba. Shelley Hack’s Tiffany Welles character was smart and pretty.

Shelley revolutionized the way angels were seen within the industry... indeed, across America!

No longer did “the smart one” have to look like a scarecrow dyke... now she could look like a top model!

Just the way that Kelly looks at Tiff

Did Shelley ever meet the infamous Bootsie Gumdrops?

Bootie shit drops

It was because of her huge range of expression as an actress. She could truly do it all, from Ophelia to Gertrude, from Phédre to Rostand's L'Aiglon.

I hated that the show never referenced the Angels that left the series. Even Jill was only referenced when she was making a required appearance. Like all of a sudden, POOf - Tiffany went back to Boston, no explanation at all!

I would’ve liked to have seen what Tiffany would do in this situation.

Shelley really revolutionized acting for the camera, across the boards. There’s nothing that gal couldn’t do.

The truth is Jaclyn and Cheryl threatened to walk if Hack wasn’t dropped. She was showing them both up with the smallest move of her little finger.

[quote] I hated that the show never referenced the Angels that left the series.

“You’re no Sabrina Duncan.”

Never referenced?

Cozi has been running her season the past few weeks, and she was quite good and likeable. She was often paired with Bosley, but so was Sabrina in the first few seasons. TPTB should have kept her for the final season (but not filmed in Hawaii).

I wonder if the next remake of Charlie's Angels will go dark. Kelly won't just do heroin once, she'll be a crackhead. Sabrina will be a thief who robs gay men while disguised as one. But one day she murders a trick and she has to decide between serving time or serving Charlie. Jill, of course, will have anal cancer.

[quote] If I was Aaron I would have made Kate suffer and fulfill her contract of 5 years.

Similarly I would have had lots of interaction between Jill and the other Angels in all of Farrah’s guest episodes. Farrah must have had it in her contract that for S4 she’d have as little screen time with the other actresses as possible. Instead they paired her up with a male guest star (eg Timothy Dalton) for almost the entire episode which was always a major bore.

I think the only time she and Shelley were in the same frame involved Tiff pouring her a glass of champagne and Jill saying ‘thank you’.

Farrah’s last episode involved Jill being kidnapped, and she shared a tiny scene with Cheryl Ladd when she’s rescued. Her very last scene was with David Doyle without any of the other Angels.

[quote]r127 Farrah must have had it in her contract that for S4 she’d have as little screen time with the other actresses as possible.

Maybe her scenes were shot at midnight on an empty, locked set... like they did to the fallen Suzanne?

R121 Tiffany would NOT have stood for Big Angie calling her names like Chicken. Kris turned to jello around her.

Kris was fun size to big ‘ol lesbians.

Tiffany epitomized the Pillow Princess.

Shelley was exquisite, but by the time she came along the cast was poisoned - every cast mate had scrapes with the law, drugs, and satanism. It’s like she was Cousin Oliver and Mike Brady was sucking off Tiger.

[quote]R132 Shelley was exquisite

So true. She made that Jackson cunt look like dog meat.

I'm not saying Bette Midler is a whore or the band Chicago is a whore, but Shelley Hack might very well be a whore.

“We laced Shelley Duvall’s Tang with psilocybin. She won’t tell the difference!”

Shelley was beautiful, but something was missing. Just no chemistry. I don't think the writers can craft that

R136, perhaps it’s that glass eye of yours that missed the talent that was and is Shelly Hack. Hmn? Have another, Dear, while you think about it. Yeah. It’s ok.

r137. Um, I never said she didn't have talent. She was later cast in 3 other network series's. It's just that Shelley didn't have that spark of chemistry with her co-stars. im sure that's why she was also fired from Night Court. Jaclyn wasn't a great actress, but she just gave off good energy with the other girls.

Shelley’s Tiffany was intelligent, pretty and witty. The whole East Coast vibe was very appealing. She looked fab in all of the Nolan Miller fashions. Sure, her hair looked like straw during the first half of her season but I found her a big step up from Kate Jackson.

Who will EVER forget that Shelley hack wrote, choreographed, danced, AND sang the penultimate number in “Flashdance”????? Oscar snubbed Shelley and that’s when I KNEW it was simply a popularity contest!

I thought Shelley and Cheryl clicked on screen. Jaclyn was up her own butt at that point.

At R101, Farrah's smile does look super fake. Her hair also looks super dry and in need of a deep conditioning. Perhaps a VO5 hot oil treatment.

Shelley and Farrah had dry assed hair.

Season 4 - a year of bad hair.

Surprise the "Kate Jackson troll" has not overtaken this now that it's precious thread has closed.

It just knows everything about EVERYTHING!

The poor man’s Cybill Shepherd

[quote]R138 I never said she didn't have talent... It's just that Shelley didn't have that spark of chemistry

Lies. [italic]LIES!

That's an awkward pose - unusual for Shelley.

Shelley couldn't at least rise to the level of Billie?

She had a big dick.

Wow, R147! Didn't her mother ever tell her to never sit like that?

Huge Kate fan. She was the only real true actress in the bunch.

That said, I adored Shelley as Tiffany. She fit in like a glove. I call that season 'Dynasty Angels'

But they shot themselves in the foot by not giving her enough to do.

I would have done season three of Angels (whenever Kate wanted out to do Kramer vs. Kramer) that Sabrina gets kidnapped and a series of rotating angles come in to help Kelly and Kris find her -- include Jill in the rotation -- and then Kate comes back after filming Kramer. They find her and she agrees to stay on another year or whatever.

Shameful they never resolved who Kelly's birth family was. Who Sabrina married. Why Tiffany decided to 'spend time back east' and why the most street Angel of all -- Julie -- wasn't a cop like the others.

Kelly found her family because she asked the toy maker for a set of dolls for her niece. She must have lost them again by the end of Season 4

I named my shelter kitten Bootsie Gumdrops after my niece.

[quote]R151 Wow, [R147]! Didn't her mother ever tell her to never sit like that?

She’s certainly quite flexible!

Seriously, though... Hack is the only one of the angels to work with a real director of the highest caliber; Martin Scorsese.

M roles that the Angels would’ve been good in:

Kramer vs Kramer - Kate

Manhattan - Shelley

She-Devil - Jaclyn

Mamma Mia - Cheryl

Marvin’s Room - Farrah

Ricki & The Flash - Tanya

^^ Our Shelley turned down all those roles.

[bold]#Fact

Please note, she wears a curly wig, there’s the Shelley Magic! She also sings.

Male Shelley!

In all honesty, Shelley Hack’s Tiffany Welles was my favorite Angel. Kelly Garrett (Jaclyn Smith) was a close 2nd.

^ I wouldn’t mind a three way with male Kate/male Tanya!

What if.....

Big Aggie turned her life around and suddenly wanted to work for Charlie as a replacement for Tiffany! She’d use her naturally nosy behavior as a perk for the PI agency. She’d be an asset whenever there was dangerous criminal confrontations since she’s so motherfucking huge. She’d have to have her chicken - Kris and she’d make Kelly her bitch.

Sabrina would never be Big Aggie's bitch. Big Aggie wouldn't even fit in the pinto!

And I thought the Kate Jackson troll was persistent.

Sabrina wouldn’t have a choice. If Big Aggie wanted her scarecrow pussy, she’d have it.

What if Margo was an Angel?

I have always wondered why they never did a reunion special show? I mean, there were 6 damn Angels, I'm sure they could've gotten 3 to be on board. Most of them were doing awful TV movies anyway.

Margo, Big Aggie, and Beamish are the anti angels. What cars did they drive?

Big Aggie drove a Ford cargo van.

Margo drove a navy blue Ford Crown Victoria or Lincoln Town Car like her alias, Paul Factor did.

Beamish didn’t possess a valid driver’s license and relied exclusively on public transit.

Zora walked everywhere since she lived on the Springtime campus.

I can smell Donna Pescow being used by one of you idiots and the answer is “NO, she canNOT be an angel!” Get help.

DL icon Shelley on stage with Annette O’Toole and Meredith Baxter-Muffdiver.

They can stick Beamish’s head out of the sunroof of the Pinto.

You worthless cunts. Trying to assemble a CA’s rogues gallery and leaving ME out? Why don’t you kill yourselves?

R169 and R174... well done, you two had me cracking up big time! ....

I'd love to see a Charlies Angels re-boot with Kris, Kelly and Tiffany welcoming the new girls to the Townsend Detective Agency.

Give us a Shelley Hack Doll!

There was a reunion. It's on Youtube. It's part of a documentary on the show. Farah, Jaclyn, and Kate are shown together on a sofa. It's late 90s / early 00s.

Reunion

R179. Man, Farrah looked awful - WTF? This was before the anal cancer. I think she had a drug / alcohol problem

She also got bad plastic surgery.

Actually, Farrah had a really pleasant speaking voice at R179. No, she did not age that well, looks-wise. She got an eye lift that changed her entire face.

Farrah looked decent at the Shatner roast.

RuPaul’s Drag Race needs to do a Charlie’s Angels challenge.

R184 let’s pray they don’t. Not a drag fan.

With Kate not viable the only angel combo left is the S4 squad. They could do a reunion movie Angels in Autumn. At the behest of Charlie's nephew who mails out their pension checks, the angels go undercover one last time at the senior center where Bosley (now played by Ed Asner) fears for his life. As they investigate to solve the series of rough-eldersex-gone-wrong murders at the Palm Springs facility, Kris gets a job teaching the exercise class, Kelly checks in as a freewheeling new (and single) resident from the south looking for a man, and Tiff pretends to be a reporter from Active Seniors magazine.

Guest stars include June Lockhart as the facility librarian who catches Kelly going through file folders. Kelly gives her a S5-style random beatdown. Harry Belafonte plays the resident stud (singing a crappy Ed Lakso song) who comes on to Tiffany, William Shatner as the murderous villain with a criminal past who's actually in hiding under another name at the facility, who thinks Kelly looks good. Robert Wagner is the red herring suspect. The victims are played by Tippi Hedren and Eva Marie Saint.

After the Angels burst in just in the nick of time to stop a drugged Kelly from becoming the next victim, the episode culminates in a Hoveround chase down the hallway of the facility where Kris leaps on the perp from behind. As he keeps bumping it against the walls trying to throw her off, suddenly the hoveround catches fire. As the sex killer pulls a gun and starts to try to get away on foot, Tiff pulls her gun and screams "Drop it!" A still dopey Kelly has inched her way down the hall toward them. Kris, barely fazed by the fact that she was nearly burned alive, says, "You OK, Kelly?" and Kelly says "Yes. Nothing like that has happened to me for a long time." And you can tell she's not OK. Angel chime, commercial.

For the button scene, the gals (looking fabulous) have lunch at an outdoor cafe handily located across the street from the old, now closed, Townsend Office and they look at the door and offer brief reminiscence. Kris says one line about her sister Jill. Kelly says one line about her friend Sabrina. Tiff asks what happened to the girl that came after her...was her name Julie?

They agree to meet up once a year until there's only one angel left.

Ignored r186. What a rant!

[R186] 0/10 Kelly didn't get shot and you never mentioned if they are still being forced to drive the same three cars.

R186, somehow Margo MUST feature in to the story to make it relevant and topical.

Who was the bitchiest angel in the series?

Well, off screen it was definitely Kate!

R191 = Cheryl Ladd

They need to end the Charlie's Angles saga with the revelation that Kelly Garrett was a hardcore drug addict this entire time and the whole show and movies were her drug induced fantasies.

That would explain the "top modelling school" shit.

I want a heroin Kelly action figure!

[quote] That said, I adored Shelley as Tiffany. She fit in like a glove. I call that season 'Dynasty Angels' But they shot themselves in the foot by not giving her enough to do.

With heroin?

Tiffany Welles is like a dream. I liked Shelley’s personality and thought Tiffany was a fantastic addition. I do not understand those who hated her character.

#teamtiffanywelles

[quote]R197 I do not understand those who hated her character.

As has been noted, the cowed Ladd and Smith conspired to sink Hack’s meteoric rise on the show, and in Hollywood. They just couldn’t take the heat.

This was especially unfair as Hack had turned down an offer to singlehandedly overhaul the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in order to do the show.

But cunts will be CUNTS!

I want to delouse Tiffany!

I saw Cheryl Ladd today...and she was SMOKING!!!

“It would be better with Shelley HACK Rose!”

Once again, Dorothy was right.

Why did Shelley turn her back on 'the business'? She had the world on a string, she was the face of THE biggest ad campaign of the 20th century, she was the muse of Woody Allen and then Martin Scorsese and was a global phenomenon. Why did she walk away?

Shelley blew it by being mean to everybody on the set.

Apparently she came in nice at first but quickly changed.

The interviews are on you tube.

^Whereas Cheryl Ladd blew everyone on the set.

Tiffany and Kelly are prostitutes this afternoon with Rose.

Tiffany and Kelly charge $1000

Fucking Tiffany would be like fucking an ironing board.

for you, r208

Didn't Spelling fire Shelley Hack on Valentines Day? I think the other cast members got a Valentine invite for Season 5 and Shelley didn't.. Also, I believe that the last 2 episodes were filmed after Shelley knew she was being fired. It must have been tense on that set..Did Jaclyn and Cheryl not have any say in the decision?

Cheryl: Jackie, we’ve got to save Shelley from getting canned!!!

Jaclyn: it’s too late, Cheryl. We can’t help her now.

Shelley is the MTA (model turned actress) Venn diagram where wooden acting ability, looks, and repeated opportunity intersect.

She's no Joan Severance.

R210 Yes, he did. Yes, they did.

R214 I hate how Spelling did that shit to his best Angel.

[bold]#Justice4Tiffany

I heard she was into feces facials

[italic]Leave Tiffany alone!

Margo reminds me of the fabulous and hilarious Marion Crane from Guiding Light which Passions ripped off (and they did it quite well I might add) with the character Vincent Clarkson/Valerie Davis.

Traitors! R211 You could have saved Shelley! But you didn't. Because: "The truth is Jaclyn and Cheryl threatened to walk if Hack wasn’t dropped" R122

It’s very well known. There was a full on Hack-Erasure attempt orchestrated by Ladd, Smith, and the bitter departed Jackson.

I believe the stature of limitations has past in whom to speak justice, howsoever.

Justice for our peacekeeper!

Did Miss Cheryl Ladd ever comment on the death of Tanya Roberts with whom she reconnected in recent years?

R223 She finally did on January 10th on her Instagram.

Tiff is a former sorority girl

Capps Omega Si

I miss the Shelley Hack troll.

That was one troll who had an uncanny ability to judge the perfect moment to insert

Shelly Hack

Into a conversation.

What am I??

I knew Shelly Hack troll and YOU are no Shelly Hack troll.

Fuck off

Why didn’t someone give her hair a hot oil treatment

They did during the 2nd half of her season

R227 YES! So much better and funnier than the Kate Jackson troll!

Troll this - 💩

Shelley Hack doll showing her titties!

OMG! I want a Shelley Hack Barbie, r235!!!!! Thx for positing that!!!!!

R35 whoever posted those dolls is a Hack herself. she just found Barbies that maybe sort of looked like the Angels, without doing any repaint herself. the Hack doll is just Grace Kelly with her hair blownout.

R235 sorry that was for you... whoever posted those dolls is a Hack herself. she just found Barbies that maybe sort of looked like the Angels, without doing any repaint herself. the Hack doll is just Grace Kelly with her hair blownout. R237

Shelley wishes she had titties that big.

^^Don't worry, Cheryl has her tits out as well.

I wonder why none of the Angels have written a book? Id love to hear the behind the scenes scoop on the show and the process of selecting the new girls. Six actress's and none have written a biography?

Kate was supposedly working on one since 2010 called "The Smart One" but it was pushed back numerous times. I suspect it will never get released.

R252. An 11 year delay? Kate needs to get it together..

The answer to OP's question: Shelley Hack is not popular. A lot of posts in this thread are about other people. Hack was a good model. But other than that. No.

I really haven't heard any negative comments from Shelley Hack about her time on Charlies Angels. She always has kept it pretty classy..

No hard feelings. A gig is a gig!

Shelley and Tanya just could bring the chemistry or magic that Cheryl Ladd brought when she replaced Farrah. I really blame Aaron because I think its clear that neither one of these woman were going to be big and add value to the show. He must have thought that Jaclyn and Cheryl could carry the show. It was a fucking ensemble show and the dynamic was the three girls.

The problem was they didn't replace the Sabrina archetype. Tiffany was more a Kelly and Julie more a Jill/Kris. Plus, the already mediocre writing didn't help any of them.

Didn’t they literally dust off old scripts in season 4 that hadn’t been used and just move Sabrina’s lines to Tiffany, Kelly or Kris?

No they did not r249.

You’re an ignorant little hillbilly and you’ll do everything I tell you.

I love Shelley’s speaking voice

I want to start a new Shelley Hack Fan Club! Who's with me?!

Dorothy Zbornaik is right it WOULD be better with Shelley Hack!

I don't think the cast had the same dynamic as the group on "Friends". Every actress just looked out for themselves. When they did that awful "Marathon Angels" episode, it pushed Kate Jackson over the top. The writing was shit and Kate refused to run with the other girls and they ended up keeping her in the car the whole time with Bosley and gave her some of his lines. I think this was the episode that pushed Kate over the edge. The other girls never joined forces to side with Kate or Shelley when there was a problem. Maybe it was a different time, Kinda like the cast of "Threes Company" when they didn't join with Suzanne Somers.

Shannen Doherty was in a similar position on Charmed, with the sneering writers.

Friends seemed to be unique, the cast banding together like that, apparently it was David Schwimmer's idea, and then Courteney Cox (Mom) kept it on the rails.

oh I see what you mean about the three women on Friends and them banding together, I went off in another direction!

I love to see some type of reunion with Kate, Shelly, Jaclyn, and Cheryl

R258 me too! Shelley Hack is my fave Angel.

And you all missed her birthday this week!

Shame! Bad Gays!!

Shelly really never talked shit about Spelling or her time on the show. They really fucked her over and she never complained. I always found that to be strange. Maybe because she wanted to keep working in the business?

I liked her in Scorsese’s King Of Comedy. She played Jerry Lewis’ icy secretary. She was excellent.

I don’t really care about that movie one way or the other, but it IS Scorsese. It’s hysterical that Shelley crept off from CHARLIE’S ANGELS with her tail between her legs and everyone hating her, but then with that movie she went on to get the most distinguished film credit amongst them all.

[italic]See’ya, suckas!

I heard that when testing to be the replacement for Hack, Sada Thompson had the audacity to move into Shelley's dressing room while throwing all her remaining belongings into a dumpster.

Sada was flying high, convinced being the newest angel would revitalize her career.

Well, that landed with a thud, we know that much. Just like her flabby ass did when they kicked it to the curb.

Wasn’t Sada starring on Family during the 1979-1980 season?

Don’t encourage it r266. Do you think Aaron Spelling was going to put this in a two piece with a gun?

Lmao r267!

Was it a big deal when Shelly was canned less than a year after the big announcement that she was the NEW age?

Sada wouldn't have been in swimwear, just like Kate Jackson wasn't in swimwear. As it was, Sada said she had a difficult time during her 'test' episoded adjusting to wearing a twin set, jeans and pumps.

R269 they minimized Shelley’s departure and focused on Charlie’s newest and sexiest Angel Tanya Roberts.

R271 I was just wondering if it was a big deal that Hack got canned in the media? It was basically all over for her in 9 months.

[quote]R266 Wasn’t Sada starring on Family during the 1979-1980 season?

Thompson’s contract was being renegotiated and this gave her a loophole. She was supposed to be a love interest for Bosley, as well, as David Doyle was bitching about not getting enough screen time.

Parts of Sada’s character (Estelle?) were incorporated into the later role of Julie. They were both supposed to be models, for instance.

r272 It was all PR. Seriously, no one cared about Shelley Hack. They did a major push. She had the poster out, the "Charlies Angel's" poster, every magazine. Shelley just didn't cut it. Weird, because she was on fire with the well known "Charlie" perfume ads. I think she was just too stiff to cut it as an actress, beautiful model, but...

For whatever reason, Shelley Hack, wasn't given to major success on CA. Some suspect it was more about the series as a whole decline in ratings which began in season 3 and worsened in season 5. Some want to pin it all on Shelley Hack, which is unfair and totally baseless.

Yeah the writing (which was never great to begin with) definitely started to decline before Kate left. They ran out of ideas for having the Angels go undercover.

Also, at the end of Season 3 they had an awful Kris solo episode- and they continued this trend of (almost) solo Angel episodes throughout Season 4. “Angel Hunt” from S4 was easily the best episode of S4 in which they had all three together. Although the addition of Tanya Roberts definitely did not improve Season 5, the episodes of S5 at least had the Angels working together again.

Wrong r277. The episode where Kris goes into prison and has to fend off Big Aggie is a gem

I also liked Toni’s Boys in season 4 and the last one where Kelly and Kris fall in love with Patrick Duffy.

Two Angels, one cup ^

Ohh the Farrah episode where Timothy Dalton is fucking her and Jill treats the others like shit is good

My season 5 Faves are Margo at the hotline club and the Attack Angels episode where Julie (Tanya Roberts) is hypothesized by the dude who plays Victor on Y&R and beats the shit out of the client and Kelly.

One of my favorite season 4 episodes is Harrigan’s Angel, with Howard Duff playing a drunk, broken down detective. He had good chemistry with Cheryl Ladd in the episode.

I also like the season four episode where they’re trying to save a hillbilly, illiterate porn star. Kelly and Tiffany get run off off the road in the Pinto in that one. It’s a perfect example of how Tiffany is no Sabrina Duncan-Sabrina would have pushed the bad guys off the road instead.

Sabrina would have shit her pants, proper, r283. Just because she had lesbian tendencies didnt mean she was badass.

Well I see how you all are now. Shelley Hack was popular and is outstanding in CA. Nuff Said.

Crochet Fashions!

Shelley in a short-lived TV series.

Shelley was NOT intimidated by combining multiple prints… an early indication of her strength and versatility.

She has a home on the market for 11.4 million dollars.

Shelley's immense popularity peaked when she was starring in the smash hit "Jacks & Mike."

She seems like she'd be smart with money, and I'm sure she's made as much producing as she did modeling and acting. Good for Shelley, R289. Do you have a link to the listing?

We need this as an embroidered-type scout badge.

And does this skirt come as a caftan??

Here is the listing for La Hack's house that the poster above didn't link

There are beautiful pics in the link to Shelley’s home sale 7/27/21.

I miss Tiff.

She starred in Troll

I’m watching CA on Cozi! Tiffany is back in college trying to break up a white slavery ring!

Top model Shelley Hack for Bobbie Brooks!

Please observe the cool go-fuck-yourself secretary in THE KING OF COMEDY (dir. Martin Scorsese).

Shelley Hack inspired an entire generation of women, girls, gay men and gay boys. She was an independent, smart, pretty actress and model.

Whenever I’m depressed or I feel the whole world sucks ass, I watch season 4 of CA.

Shelley's best work, If Ever I See You Again , is streaming free on Tubi. It's the follow up by Joe Brooks of You Light Up My Life fame. I laughed a couple of times and Shellley displays early promise. Weirdly, her acting skills declined as her career progressed. Back to Joe Brooks he wound up committing suicide after being me too-ed. His son was in jail for murdering his girlfriend at the same time.

Shelley was one of the most talented actresses ever. She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.

R302 lately I’ve been really down on myself, and have been recommended by a few people to watch CA for the first time. Being Millennial, I’ve only ever seen a few short clips of the original show, and of course the 2000 reboot movie.

As a lesbian, though, I’m kind of hesitant to dive in, mostly due to erotic transference (therapist says I can’t keep falling in love with characters and vintage actresses!), and the fact that I’m not beautiful and skinny or accomplished like the Angels. Is it going to make me feel better or worse?

R305 in your case it will probably devastate you.

That’s a sign of your ignorance R4, I wouldn’t boast about it.

Veronica Lake troll die

Veronica Lake was a 1940s actress easily old enough to be Shelley Hack’s mom.

Miss Hack for Braggi

I find strength and vitality within Tiffany Welles. The pre-season 4 hype with Shelley Hack assuming the new role - Tiffany Welles - was very very exciting to a gay 7 year old boy. And talk about a debut! OMG. She was everything beautiful,sophisticated and intelligent.

r311 I agree. Tiffany Welles was something fresh and exciting as we were heading into the 1980s.

You bitches have horrible taste. Shelley Hack was a homely girl with a bony face and a mannish jaw.

More than two years later, I still laugh every time this thread title pops up again. In my head, anyway.

R313 I guess that’s why she had million dollar modeling jobs prior to becoming an actress, huh?

R313, r314 I.e. Shelley Hack’s multi year deal with Revlon.

r310, such sad buttocks.

R317

R315, there have been other odd looking, successful models, eg Kristen McMenamy.