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I’ll Cry Tomorrow

Starring Susan Hayward It’s on TCM right now. I’m enjoying it!

This acclaimed biopic tells the cautionary tale of Broadway star Lillian Roth (Susan Hayward), who by the age of 20 has risen to fame due to the efforts of her pushy mother. Though a success on stage, Lillian has her hopes of happiness dashed when her fiancé dies tragically, and responds to her loss by drinking. Alcoholism and a string of failed marriages destroy Lillian's career and ultimately leave her destitute. After a brush with death, however, Lillian resolves to return to the spotlight.

by Anonymousreply 104January 18, 2022 2:33 AM

Yes, but what is her position on global warming?!

by Anonymousreply 1April 11, 2021 9:24 PM

This will end in tears.

by Anonymousreply 2April 11, 2021 9:33 PM

Jo Van Fleet is devastating as her mother. I only found out recently that she had a drinking problem herself.

by Anonymousreply 3April 11, 2021 9:40 PM

Alcoholism is a terrible disease. The only way to cure it is to take a shower with you - naked.

by Anonymousreply 4April 11, 2021 9:53 PM

Lillian Roth was reportedly PISSED that La Hayward chose to do her own singing for the film. That's understandable but Susan surprisingly sounded good in "I'll Cry Tomorrow". I wish that she had done her own singing for "Valley Of The Dolls" as well.

Ms. Roth had a short career in movies at the beginning of the "Talkie" Era. Here's my favorite by her, 'Low Down' from 1930's "Madame Sin".

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by Anonymousreply 5April 11, 2021 9:54 PM

I'll cry today and get it over with.

by Anonymousreply 6April 11, 2021 9:55 PM

But...Don't Cry Out Loud

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by Anonymousreply 7April 11, 2021 9:58 PM

I'll continue to Search For Tomorrow and let the chips fall where they may!

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by Anonymousreply 8April 11, 2021 10:02 PM

R7 that isn’t Melissa Manchester is it? She used to be so attractive.

by Anonymousreply 9April 11, 2021 10:02 PM

Lillian Roth got some prison singing in a little pre-code called Ladies They Talk About (1933) with Susan Hayward's idol, Miss Barbara Stanwyck:

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by Anonymousreply 10April 11, 2021 10:31 PM

Susan Hayward actually sung the songs in the movie.

by Anonymousreply 11April 11, 2021 11:33 PM

R11, are you also R5?

by Anonymousreply 12April 11, 2021 11:34 PM

No...just brothers from another mother.^^

by Anonymousreply 13April 11, 2021 11:37 PM

Richard Conte had BDF.

by Anonymousreply 14April 11, 2021 11:50 PM

[quote]Susan Hayward actually sung the songs in the movie.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 15April 12, 2021 12:01 AM

Well, it's no "I Want to Live!"

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by Anonymousreply 16April 12, 2021 12:03 AM

Good line up on TCM this afternoon.. up to the I's...

by Anonymousreply 17April 12, 2021 12:05 AM

R16, you're ready to fly right out of here, aren't you?

by Anonymousreply 18April 12, 2021 12:06 AM

r18 Well, excuse me for living, Anita Bryant!

by Anonymousreply 19April 12, 2021 12:10 AM

I watched it and realized that Hayward reminded me of Charles Busch in “Die Mommie Day—In all the best ways.

by Anonymousreply 20April 12, 2021 1:35 AM

sorry, Die Mommie Die (as opposed to Die Doris Day)

by Anonymousreply 21April 12, 2021 1:36 AM

The odd thing about the movie is the contemporary clothing and hairstyles. Susie is 18 when we first see her and early 40s (?) when the movie ends and she looks exactly the same.

by Anonymousreply 22April 12, 2021 2:10 AM

Stretch your mind, R22.

by Anonymousreply 23April 12, 2021 2:15 AM

I just love when Susie sings "When the Red, Red Robin Comes Bob, Bob Bobbin' Along!" Was that really one of Lillian's hits?

by Anonymousreply 24April 12, 2021 2:18 AM

Roth was such a pretty thing...I was surprised to find this out.

by Anonymousreply 25April 12, 2021 2:25 AM

Susie said she would have preferred to have won her Oscar for this.

by Anonymousreply 26April 12, 2021 2:31 AM

I just love when Susie sings "When the Red, Red Robin Comes Bob, Bob Bobbin' Along!"

I HATE when she sings that! They made us sing it in grade school circa 1963!

by Anonymousreply 27April 12, 2021 2:37 AM

Lillian Roth was prettier than Susan Hayworth (at least when she was young.)

by Anonymousreply 28April 12, 2021 2:42 AM

That's good, R28. Susan HAYWARD played her in the movie, dimwit.

by Anonymousreply 29April 12, 2021 2:45 AM

[quote] Lillian Roth got some prison singing in a little pre-code called Ladies They Talk About (1933) with Susan Hayward's idol, Miss Barbara Stanwyck.

R10, in Robert LaGuardia & Gene Arceri's Hayward biography "Red: The Tempestuous Life of Susan Hayward", they share a cool story about Stanwyck & Hayward. Both Brooklyn born & raised but 10 years or so apart. The two were never friends socially but admired each other from a distance.

In the late 60s or early 70s Stanwyck became ill and had to have a kidney removed. When Hayward heard about it she sent Babs a beautiful floral arrangement, with a card that read "From one Brooklyn Broad to another. Get well soon! Susan Hayward." A recovering Stanwyck had a hearty laugh at this and was deeply touched.

Five or six years later when Hayward passed on in 1975, Stanwyck sent two huge funeral floral wreaths. The card simply read "From one Brooklyn Broad to another. Barbara Stanwyck."

by Anonymousreply 30April 12, 2021 5:26 AM

R23 can I just say fuck it and stretch my asshole instead??

by Anonymousreply 31April 12, 2021 5:37 AM

Another juicy snippet from "Red: The Tempestuous Life of Susan Hayward". The authors shared that they reached out to Robert Preston (of "The Music Man" fame) to share some of his memories of Hayward. La Hayward & Preston had been a minor team of sorts in several films in the 1930s & 40s.

Preston's response was an ice cold "Anything I've got to say about Susan Hayward is unprintable!"

by Anonymousreply 32April 12, 2021 5:49 AM

Hayward & Preston

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by Anonymousreply 33April 12, 2021 5:51 AM

I wonder if Susie let Stanwyck lick her Brooklyn pussy.

by Anonymousreply 34April 12, 2021 6:13 AM

R32, Robert Preston always pinged for me. Cookie Sniffing of Rip Taylor-like proportions!

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by Anonymousreply 35April 12, 2021 9:32 PM

R35, Robert Preston was a womanizer. Ask Peggy Lee.

by Anonymousreply 36April 12, 2021 10:15 PM

As in all of her musical pictures......Susan Hayward's dancing was ridiculous.....she had NO rhythm at all.....

And of course she showed her nipple in WITH A SONG IN MY HEART.

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by Anonymousreply 37April 12, 2021 10:42 PM

R36, I forgot about the romance with Peggy Lee! I don't know? Maybe it's the bad wig he sported later in life that made him resemble Rip Taylor or the gay character he played in "Victor/Victoria" that has me confused. I'm not sure.

by Anonymousreply 38April 12, 2021 11:08 PM

R37, Susan had a bad hip and one of her legs was shorter than the other one. The result of being hit by a car when she was a child. That may explain the lackluster dancing.

by Anonymousreply 39April 12, 2021 11:10 PM

Well, in that clip from WITH A SONG IN MY HEART she was portraying the great Jane Froman whose legs were basically paralyzed so.....it seems like an honest performance.

by Anonymousreply 40April 13, 2021 12:27 AM

[quote]R39 Susan had a bad hip and one of her legs was shorter than the other one. The result of being hit by a car when she was a child.

She must have been really hated if people were already trying to run her over as a child!

by Anonymousreply 41April 13, 2021 7:11 AM

I love the strange gestures Hayward makes when she sings in "I'll Cry Tomorrow" and "With a Song in My Heart." I've never seen anyone else make those gestures, except Charles Busch in "Die, Mommie, Die" (where he was purposefully imitating Hayward singing).

by Anonymousreply 42April 13, 2021 7:15 AM

It actually gave her a sexy stroll.

by Anonymousreply 43April 13, 2021 3:42 PM

Her dancing to the bongo drums at the party in I Want To Live! is especially egregious.....and it's not because she has a short leg......

And the woman who played the matron in Live! who gives Susan a sleep mask, is the same actress who played the ladies room attendant in Valley of the Dolls when Helen gets her wig flushed.......

by Anonymousreply 44April 13, 2021 10:24 PM

I was just reminded of one of the funniest things I've ever read in my life and thought I would share. Again, courtesy of "Red: The Tempestuous Life of Susan Hayward."

At one point in the Early 70s, Susan was doing some traveling across The States for something or another. While in some major city (NYC or DC, I can't remember) she stayed (as always) at what was then considered a 5 Star luxury hotel. The stay at said hotel started out fine, but things quickly went south when late one evening Miss Hayward became famished and ordered a turkey sandwich from room service.

When the sandwich arrived and Susan saw that it was made from packaged cold cuts instead of from a fresh roasted turkey, she went absolutely APE SHIT. After phoning and subjecting both the Head Chef & Hotel Manager to a foul-mouthed tirade about their "sleazy dive motel", Miss Hayward threw the dining cart down the hallway. She then packed up all of her belongings and stormed out of the hotel screaming expletives at any staff member she encountered on the way out the door.

by Anonymousreply 45April 14, 2021 6:50 AM

^^Sounds like one of her crazy characters she portrays in movies...

by Anonymousreply 46April 14, 2021 12:51 PM

Hopefully they didn't offer her a ballpoint pen when she signed in.

by Anonymousreply 47April 14, 2021 3:10 PM

Susie had very little range. She had her bag of tricks and they were effective but tiresome. Jo Van Fleet blows her off the screen.

by Anonymousreply 48April 14, 2021 3:16 PM

Also fun to note that Roth married Bert (Eddie Albert) and they divorced years later after he left her for another man.

by Anonymousreply 49April 14, 2021 3:17 PM

The kinescope of Roth's episode of THIS IS YOUR LIFE is on YouTube. It's quite something. Ralph Edwards claims it was so inspiring and popular that it was being re-broadcast just a few weeks after being first presented.

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by Anonymousreply 50April 14, 2021 3:25 PM

R49, I had no idea that Eddie Albert was gay. Wow! How confirmed is this?

by Anonymousreply 51April 15, 2021 2:03 AM

R51. Confirmed

by Anonymousreply 52April 15, 2021 2:11 AM

R51, gay according to THE DL.

by Anonymousreply 53April 15, 2021 2:22 AM

Not Eddie Albert! The man Eddie portrayed in I'LL CRY TOMORROW was gay, Lillian's husband.

by Anonymousreply 54April 15, 2021 3:41 AM

I've written a soon to be country hit song for my good friend Maren Morris. "Yesterday I Cried"

It's pretty fine if I do say so.

by Anonymousreply 55April 15, 2021 3:46 AM

Thank you for setting the record (no pun) "straight", R54.

I thought that Eddie Albert was a staunch Rightwinger. Not that they can't be Gay as well, but it's unlikely that he would have left much evidence behind.

by Anonymousreply 56April 15, 2021 3:51 AM

Eddie Albert was married to Margo. They were both blacklisted. His career survived. Hers...not so much.

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by Anonymousreply 57April 15, 2021 4:01 AM

[quote]I thought that Eddie Albert was a staunch Rightwinger. Not that they can't be Gay as well, but it's unlikely that he would have left much evidence behind.

Eddie Albert was a big environmental activist. Hardly a rightwinger.

by Anonymousreply 58April 15, 2021 7:00 AM

Eddie Albert got in trouble in the 40's when Jack L. Warner caught him fucking his wife Ann. Jack had him blacklisted and he didn't work for awhile.

No word on how Margo felt about the whole thing.

by Anonymousreply 59April 15, 2021 3:16 PM

Margo is also in ICT and, well, it’s clear why her career didn’t take off.

by Anonymousreply 60April 15, 2021 3:40 PM

Bosley Crowther was right; Susan should have played the drunk, bitchy wife in Back Street instead of the loving, patient mistress.

by Anonymousreply 61April 15, 2021 3:55 PM

Eddie Albert was NOT a staunch Rightwinger. OLIVER DOUGLAS was.

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by Anonymousreply 62April 15, 2021 5:06 PM

Eddie's Wiki...

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by Anonymousreply 63April 15, 2021 5:39 PM

So I just watched some of that kinescope of THIS IS YOUR LIFE at r50. Fascinating!

First of all, it begins with the host Ralph Edwards apologizing for not being able to present a new program that week because their subject Ann Sheridan discovered what was up and therefore couldn't be surprised. Isn't that odd that the show depended on that kind of spontaneity? Or do we think Miss Sheridan discovered what was up and didn't want anything to do with it?

Anyway, Edwards then presents what appears to be a rerun of their most memorable and "controversial" episode and Lillian Roth comes across so beautifully in this. So modest and loveable and empathetic. Apparently, in this one instance, the subject, Lillian, knew she was being featured and a surprise ambush was not part of the plan. Lil does a little mini-concert of her big hits from the 1920s and 30s with a full band at about the 10 minute mark. Great fun!

And just before that she's surprised by none other than old friend Ruby Keeler who attended a talented children's school with her. Ruby looks about 20 years older than she did in 1970 when she made her big Broadway comeback in No No Nanette. The harsh lighting and film quality (not to mention 1950s makeup and hair styles) aren't kind to her, or Lillian Roth, for that matter.

Highly recommend you all take a look at this.

by Anonymousreply 64April 15, 2021 6:13 PM

Did Frances Farmer know ahead of time as well? I can't remember. My high school friend went to see the tour of Miss Reardon with Lillian and Gretch. He went backstage to get autographs. He said when she was signing he mentioned that her photo on the window card wasn't recent. She said no, it wasn't. I thought that terribly rude of him.

by Anonymousreply 65April 15, 2021 6:56 PM

Please tell me that Lillian Roth remained sober and dependable throughout the rest of her life and career. What a lovely dame she was!

by Anonymousreply 66April 15, 2021 7:21 PM

Lillian died youngish - 69

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by Anonymousreply 67April 15, 2021 7:29 PM

Who was the celebrity guest who walked off when Ralph cheerfully said THIS IS YOUR LIFE.

by Anonymousreply 68April 15, 2021 7:36 PM

I don't believe she did, r66. I guess she was dependable enough for Wholesale and the Reardon tour, though. And of course...

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by Anonymousreply 69April 15, 2021 7:37 PM

Sid Caesar did a parody of This is Your Life which I saw in a documentary about him in a small independent theatre. The parody was so funny I actually fell out of my seat laughing.

Lillian Roth is so charming on the show. But what a crazy concept ambushing people with a live TV show about their life.

by Anonymousreply 70April 15, 2021 7:50 PM

FOLLIES!

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by Anonymousreply 71April 15, 2021 7:58 PM

Eddie Albert was NOT a fag, and I'm the dame who can prove it!

by Anonymousreply 72April 15, 2021 8:32 PM

[quote]Who was the celebrity guest who walked off when Ralph cheerfully said THIS IS YOUR LIFE.

Wasn't it DL fave Miss Angie Dickinson?

by Anonymousreply 73April 15, 2021 9:44 PM

Yes...

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by Anonymousreply 74April 15, 2021 9:51 PM

Angie explains...

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by Anonymousreply 75April 15, 2021 9:52 PM

This is Your Story...

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by Anonymousreply 76April 15, 2021 9:58 PM

The only other time Ralphie told a guest in advance of their story was with Frances Farmer in 1958. He thought she might go crazy and attack him.

The show might have been more entertaining if she had. It, too, is on You Tube.

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by Anonymousreply 77April 15, 2021 10:09 PM

Jessica Lange really had that strange little head turn and neck twitch of Frances Farmer down. Like she is hearing her own voice and rejecting it. A perfect example of some lovely objectification - where a small movement conveys a world of time, a lasting change inside.

by Anonymousreply 78April 15, 2021 10:58 PM

At this evening's performance, the role of Mame will be played by Helen Lawson and Gooch will be played by Miss Hot Lips Houlihan...

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by Anonymousreply 79April 15, 2021 11:21 PM

R78 Yes!

by Anonymousreply 80April 15, 2021 11:54 PM

R79, I'd have KILLED to see that! I wonder if she was good, so-so or flat-out terrible as Mame.

by Anonymousreply 81April 16, 2021 12:31 AM

She needed to have a vocal coach, r81. Because she wasn't singing properly, she lost her voice and had to leave the production early. Who replaced her, Celeste?

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by Anonymousreply 82April 16, 2021 12:39 AM

I looked it up, it was Celeste.

by Anonymousreply 83April 16, 2021 12:41 AM

Lillian Roth also mentioned in the Bill Boggs interview the national tour of FUNNY GIRL she did as Mrs. Brice. So I guess he worked fairly regularly in the years between sobering up in the early 50s to her death in 1982.

WEHT Bill Boggs? He was so cute and not a bad interviewer.

by Anonymousreply 84April 16, 2021 12:52 AM

R82, yes (as you already know) Celeste Holm replaced Susan in "Mame". According to "Red: The Tempestuous Life of Susan Hayward" [can you tell yet that I loved that fucking book?], La Hayward left Miss Holm (another notoriously mean & nasty bitch) a note in her dressing room when she departed. The note said something to the effect of "and you better be good to My Kids (the young dancers & supporting cast members) or else I'll be back to kick your ass!"

The authors' found this both humorous and perplexing, because Susan herself had been dismissive & bitchy to the supporting cast & dancers throughout her run with the show! LOL

by Anonymousreply 85April 16, 2021 12:54 AM

Lillian Roth in 1971 on daytime talk show Mike Douglas

Stay tuned for a while - she talks about DL anti-fave Barbra Streisand, and semi-DL subject Elliott Gould. You see, Lillian played the LEAD in the Broadway musical I Can Get it for you Wholesale in 1962!

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by Anonymousreply 86April 16, 2021 1:17 AM

Lillian Roth in Story Conference. A 1934 Vitaphone, Broadway Brevities Musical.

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by Anonymousreply 87April 16, 2021 1:45 AM

Eat a little something...

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by Anonymousreply 88April 16, 2021 1:54 AM

Bill Boggs was GORGEOUS back in the 70s and he knew it. Notorious pushy hound. Dated Lucie Arnaz. I used to run home from school for lunch to watch Midday Live.

by Anonymousreply 89April 16, 2021 3:13 AM

^ I was waiting for someone to say that. Boggs was gorgeous....as long as he kept his mouth SHUT. I didn't realized he was a notorious pushy hound. Well, if Lucie Arnaz was his date, he was a PUSHY hound.

by Anonymousreply 90April 16, 2021 3:17 AM

DAMN AUTO CORRECT 😂😂😂

by Anonymousreply 91April 16, 2021 3:55 AM

Susan deserved a second Oscar for this!

by Anonymousreply 92January 13, 2022 9:58 PM

And then Sue H did With a Song in My Heart- the Jane Froman story and sang her heart out.

by Anonymousreply 93January 13, 2022 10:24 PM

I say that title sarcastically when someone wants a pity party.

by Anonymousreply 94January 13, 2022 11:03 PM

You've got it the other way around, R93. Susan filmed "With A Song In My Heart" in 1952 or 1953 and was dubbed by Jane Froman herself.

A few years later in 1955 she filmed "I'll Cry Tomorrow" and insisted on doing her own singing. Lilian Roth was PISSED that her own bipic wouldn't contain her own singing, but to everyone in Hollywood's surprise Susie did an EXCELLENT job! Her unexpected vocal talent was even more shocking when you consider the fact that by 1955 she had been in Hollywood for almost 2 decades and had always been dubbed for roles that required her to sing.

After Susan's success in "I'll Cry Tomorrow", I have no idea why a decade later she didn't take a crack at singing again in "Valley Of The Dolls". Instead, she allowed herself to be dubbed by Margaret Whiting.

by Anonymousreply 95January 14, 2022 2:12 AM

Her book was really pretty great and she wrote a follow up book as well. Her book was pretty racy. As I recall, there was a portion (I think when she lived in LA) where she would drink around the clock and lay in bed in a stupor with the front door unlocked and men would come in and “have their way with her.” …… I don’t remember the details but the portion of the book where she met Bill was quite charming. I was bummed to read that years later he left her. Didn’t she have a relationship with another woman in her later years?

by Anonymousreply 96January 14, 2022 2:21 AM

This thread led me to Frances Farmer’s Wikipedia entry, where I was surprised to discover that her supposed lobotomy was fiction. I guess I missed the backlash to FRANCES.

by Anonymousreply 97January 14, 2022 2:39 AM

I love With a Song in My Heart so much more. And I've always found Hayward's dubbing by Jane Froman very believable. I can't watch that final scene in which she performs the US states medley for all the wounded soldiers without crying. And the young Robert Wagner.....oh my....a star was born indeed!

by Anonymousreply 98January 14, 2022 4:37 AM

You're about to fly right out of here, aren't you, OP?

by Anonymousreply 99January 14, 2022 4:43 AM

Her version of Back Street is a camp hoot

by Anonymousreply 100January 14, 2022 5:09 AM

Who on earth said that Hayward's singing is good in this film? What a mistake. I give her props for trying but she really sounds awful.

by Anonymousreply 101January 14, 2022 9:31 AM

R100 Vera Miles steals the show in Back Street

by Anonymousreply 102January 14, 2022 1:54 PM

Watching “Where Love Has Gone” (1964) with Susan and Bette Davis. Any fans on here? What a hoot! Camp bitchy classic!

by Anonymousreply 103January 18, 2022 2:07 AM

R8 Jo? Is that you, you old cunt?

by Anonymousreply 104January 18, 2022 2:33 AM
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