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Mandingo

Has this pulpy 1975 movie been permanently cancelled? Gay, Marxist and Freudian, film critic Robin Wood, called it thee greatest movie about race ever made in Hollywood! He was kind of a prick, though. Most critics dismissed it as racist trash even then. I stay up late and snuck into the family room to watch it on HBO, with a 2 hour boner.

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by Anonymousreply 13406/11/2021

Jerk off material for years.

by Anonymousreply 104/07/2021

Besides the scandalous smutty stuff, it has some powerful scenes.

by Anonymousreply 204/07/2021

What are James Mason and Susan George doing in this?

by Anonymousreply 304/07/2021

A guy I used to see at SPLASH NYC ca. 1996 kind of looked like Perry King.

by Anonymousreply 404/07/2021

Perry King always blamed that gay movie he made for his career stall, but I bet this didn't do much for him, either

by Anonymousreply 504/07/2021

A Mandingo ate my baby!

by Anonymousreply 604/07/2021

I thought that was a straight pornstar

by Anonymousreply 704/07/2021

R3 Poor James appeared in a lot of trash because his ex-wife took him to the cleaners and bled him dry.

by Anonymousreply 804/07/2021

Shamelessly chewing the scenery, R3.

I also snuck my way into this when I was 12. It was playing at an old grindhouse downtown on a late-night triple bill with Mahogany and Jacqueline Susann's Once Is Not Enough. There were all kinds of characters lurking about. I was fascinated and scared as hell.

by Anonymousreply 904/07/2021

I would've headed straight to the balcony, and it would have changed my life

by Anonymousreply 1004/07/2021

I remember Ken Norton appeared on some talk show with Shelley Winters as one of the other guests, and she became infatuated with him, touching his face and telling him how handsome he was. She acted horrified when she discovered that he was a boxer, and he was risking his beautiful face every time he stepped into the ring.

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by Anonymousreply 1104/07/2021

The scene where Ken Norton fucks Susan George is for the books.

by Anonymousreply 1204/07/2021

That sex scene between Ken Norton and Susan George is scorching hot, despite his near total lack of acting ability. She acts enough for both of them in that scene, and his body and face are gorgeous beyond belief. The sexual tension in the seduction is through the roof, and George gives a VERY realistic portrayal of the guttural moans and cries that a sex-starved white woman would let out when finally f#**ked by a slave with a REALLY big d@!k. Fun fact: George said later that, because Norton had no prior acting experience, he couldn't really control himself and got hard during the scene :-)

by Anonymousreply 1304/07/2021

I wonder if they asked Ali to do this film before Ken Norton.

by Anonymousreply 1404/08/2021

I volunteered at a nursing home during my teens. All the little old ladies loved Mandingo. And this was in the 1990s! There was a paperback they passed around like it was Flowers In The Attic or Forever by Judy Blume.

by Anonymousreply 1504/08/2021

[quote]I wonder if they asked Ali to do this film before Ken Norton.

Apparently, the person they sought for the role before it went to Norton was......O.J.!!! But (obviously) he turned it down, I think because he didn't want to play that kind of role in that kind of movie. CAN YOU IMAGINE how MANDINGO would play for an audience today if he had starred in it?

by Anonymousreply 1604/08/2021

[quote] Perry King always blamed that gay movie he made for his career stall, but I bet this didn't do much for him, either

The movie was about a gay man marrying a lesbian. That honestly sounds more offensive than this.

by Anonymousreply 1704/08/2021

Was Norton nude in it? I remember Perry King was. Early penis shot in film history I'd guess.

by Anonymousreply 1804/08/2021

Whens the remake happening?

by Anonymousreply 1904/08/2021

Didn't Miss Warwick already make this same film about six years earlier?

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by Anonymousreply 2004/08/2021

Jonathan Rosenbaum, another major film critic, also really liked the movie.

by Anonymousreply 2104/08/2021

Mandingo is a very enjoyable movie, well made and highly entertaining. A potboiler for sure, but a fun one. Its sequel, Drum, has some moments, but has a lot of deadly dull stretches in between. Both films have very talented casts.

Slaves, the Dionne Warwick film, is surprisingly good and far less leeringly melodramatic. Warwick gave a very good performance. It's worth seeking out.

by Anonymousreply 2204/08/2021

I should do a remake as the sexy vixen slave now that I own my sexuality and beauty.

by Anonymousreply 2304/08/2021

R18, alas, there is no full frontal nudity of Ken Norton in MANDINGO. The character is supposed to be hung huge, and perhaps Ken didn't quite measure up? Or maybe it was just due to the unfortunate circumstance that dick is so rarely shown in mainstream movies, especially not back in the '70s.

by Anonymousreply 2404/08/2021

R18 and R24 But you do see his perfect bubble ass.

by Anonymousreply 2504/09/2021

Let us also lift a glass to the sequel "Drum"

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by Anonymousreply 2604/09/2021

I do Mandika

by Anonymousreply 2704/09/2021

“A short time later, Blanche announces she is pregnant, but when the baby is born, it is clear the child is a mulatto.”

This is why we asked about the color of Harry and Meghan’s baby.

by Anonymousreply 2804/09/2021

Thank you, R20 and others. I would now insist my movie would have to be called "The S Word," of course. And it would end with me singing on a riverboat. But I do not judge those who prefer "Mandingo" or "Drum" or "Mandingo Drum."

I did hear that Diane wanted to do one of these but got all upset and walked out when she thought they wanted her to do a remake called "Ruts."

She hated people knowing she needed hearing aids.

And she is a bitch, of course. But you know that.

by Anonymousreply 2904/10/2021

I wanted Ken Norton to fuck Perry King so bad.

by Anonymousreply 3004/10/2021

If anyone wants to see a really fucked up 70s movie about slavery, watch 'Goodbye Uncle Tom.'

by Anonymousreply 3104/10/2021

Mandingo is a very faithful depiction of slavery at its most horrible. Telling a story set in a breeding plantation where the other white folks despise its fabulously wealthy owners, the movie shows both the racism and misogyny of the old South. My favorite part is the realistic rendering of the interiors of the main house. A dimly lit place, as they all were at that time, evoking the moral bankruptcy of its decrepit owners.

by Anonymousreply 3204/10/2021

Martika should be canceled, too, while we're at it.

by Anonymousreply 3304/10/2021

I thought 1990 already did that for us, R33.

by Anonymousreply 3404/10/2021

Where can I see this?!?

by Anonymousreply 3504/10/2021

OMG I think it’s on Amazon Prime

by Anonymousreply 3604/10/2021

Mr. Bentley from The Jefferson’s is in this. LMAO

by Anonymousreply 3704/10/2021

Mandingo's got my baby!

by Anonymousreply 3804/10/2021

Susan George dated Andy Gibb that lucky bitch

by Anonymousreply 3904/10/2021

Judging from the poster, i thought it was going to be a sexy 70s Gone with the wind, boy was i in for a shock!

Slave starlets, hung bucks, Perry King’s penis, Susan George playing Neely O’Hara, it’s all too good.

by Anonymousreply 4004/11/2021

Go ahead and hate me but I have had a lifelong obsession with black men because of watching this as a gayling.

by Anonymousreply 4104/11/2021

R38 - He got R6's baby, too.

by Anonymousreply 4204/11/2021

Been there done that, hussy!

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by Anonymousreply 4304/11/2021

Why are they wearing 70’s plaids in that movie Slaves?

by Anonymousreply 4404/11/2021

My mom lives this movie! Quotes it! Had it on VHS. So crazy and campy.

by Anonymousreply 4504/11/2021

I've never seen Perry King's face look so rounded, he looks a bit heavier in this movie than usual. So he loved the black slave and not his wife because she wasn't a virgin. Shame!

by Anonymousreply 4604/11/2021

Sometime in the 70s Perry King came into the restaurant I was working at as a busboy. My little gayling self did not quite understand why the man at table 12 made me feel so funny and rather lightheaded. It was a sunny day and he was sitting in the window and the light really brought his features out.

by Anonymousreply 4704/11/2021

I fell in love with Perry watching the miniseries The Last Convertible. So many crush worthy men in that when I was 12.

by Anonymousreply 4804/11/2021

R13, assuming you're gay, how would you know what "VERY realistic portrayal" of a heterosexual sex is? Like porn, which has no relation to reality? And actors with experience get hard-ons during movie scenes too, getting one or not getting one is not a matter of acting experience.

by Anonymousreply 4904/11/2021

I have a signed copy of Mandingo signed by Ken Norton stashed away somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 5004/11/2021

[quote]I have a signed copy of Mandingo signed by Ken Norton stashed away somewhere.

It would be prominently displayed on your fireplace mantel if it weren't for all the cumstains.

by Anonymousreply 5104/11/2021

you have a signed copy signed?

by Anonymousreply 5204/11/2021

"This here's Lucretia Borgia. She gimme titty milk" was one of our catch phrases in college. I don't remember if it was from Drum or Mandingo though.

by Anonymousreply 5304/11/2021

Daddy!

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by Anonymousreply 5404/11/2021

For years my friend and I would say "Slipped her sucker" whenever the topic of miscarriages or abortion came up.

by Anonymousreply 5504/11/2021

r8 you are right, James Mason said he took the part for money for his alimony payments.

by Anonymousreply 5604/11/2021

As a boy I recall seeing the original soft book cover by a cashier stand and being quite shocked and confused It showed a woman with a bloodied breast and a man holding a bloodied long knife or sword

by Anonymousreply 5704/11/2021

My 13 year old sister received this book from our grandma. Sister spent her teens and early twenties chasing BBC.

by Anonymousreply 5804/11/2021

The Last Convertible! I love you R48 -- it is an amazing book and all these years later I still try to put it in peoples' hands.

Who was it who wanted another drink, held up her glass, and said, "Be a local hero?" We still say that in my family.

by Anonymousreply 5904/11/2021

[quote]Assuming you're gay, how would you know what "VERY realistic portrayal" of a heterosexual sex is? [sic]

I find that to be a stupid question, so I'll decline to answer it.

[quote]And actors with experience get hard-ons during movie scenes too [sic], getting one or not getting one is not a matter of acting experience.

I'm just quoting Susan George on the subject. Whether you agree or not, I think she was saying that trained actors would likely be able to control themselves, focus on the technical aspects of the scene, and therefore avoid getting erections during sex scenes. I'm sure that doesn't mean that no real actor ever got hard during a sex scene throughout all of film history.

by Anonymousreply 6004/11/2021

Smooches r59. It's been decades since I read the book/saw the miniseries. I want to read the book again, going to check my local library online. I remembered I really liked Bruce Boxleitner in the miniseries, he never did much for me in other parts but he played a really sympathetic character in it.

by Anonymousreply 6104/11/2021

r59 was it Sharon Gless who said that? I'm guessing.

by Anonymousreply 6204/11/2021

Ken Norton was beautiful.

I have never heard about the Dionne movie, Slave! I watched the trailer on you tube and it looks TERRIBLE!

by Anonymousreply 6304/11/2021

It WAS Sharon Gless, thank you. As for Bruce Boxleitner he did plenty for me in specific parts.

by Anonymousreply 6404/11/2021

>> Assuming you're gay, how would you know what "VERY realistic portrayal" of a heterosexual sex is?

I find that to be a stupid question, so I'll decline to answer it.

FIGURES. File under iignoramus.

by Anonymousreply 6504/11/2021

I am the OP. Its fun to realize I was not the only white gayling titillated and rocked by this torrid movie.

by Anonymousreply 6604/11/2021

File R65 under nasty bitch. The question I decclined to answer was, in fact, a stupid one.

Moving on, here's a particularly entertaining clip from MANDINGO.

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by Anonymousreply 6804/11/2021

I watched it this weekend for the first time in probably 25 years. It’s a despicable movie, but Ken Norton and Perry King were beautiful. Movie might have been redeemed if THEY had fucked!

by Anonymousreply 6906/07/2021

The poster at the OP is clearly trying to evoke the poster for Gone with the Wind.

by Anonymousreply 7006/07/2021

I would watch it but I don't want to see James Mason humiliating himself and the black boy. Yuck. What some actors will do for money.

by Anonymousreply 7106/07/2021

Such a bizarre movie. There's a whole scene in it when James Mason as the head slaveowner is relaxing in a chair using a supine African-American boy as a footstool, which doesn't seem either practical or likely--it just looks stupid.

by Anonymousreply 7206/07/2021

[quote] "This here's Lucretia Borgia. She gimme titty milk" was one of our catch phrases in college. I don't remember if it was from Drum or Mandingo though.

It's from Drum.

by Anonymousreply 7306/07/2021

I always forget that it’s naked Debbi “Angie Hubbard” Morgan in the scene with naked Perry King.

by Anonymousreply 7406/07/2021

I suppose the movie would have been more tolerable if the James Mason character was friends with his Black slaves, fed them well and treated them kindly. Unfortunately that's not the way slavery worked. What makes the movie revolting is the fact that slavery was revolting and not for the faint of heart. I don't mean to say this movie is a great document about slavery but there's no way to show that period in a more palatable way unless you go Gone with the Wind.

by Anonymousreply 7506/07/2021

[quote]Such a bizarre movie. There's a whole scene in it when James Mason as the head slaveowner is relaxing in a chair using a supine African-American boy as a footstool, which doesn't seem either practical or likely--it just looks stupid.

How dare you ! It was clearly for medical purposes, so the Rhumatiz drains into the boy. Pay attention, you might learn something.

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by Anonymousreply 7606/07/2021

Isn’t DRUM that movie where Warren Oates delivers the line, “this is my mammy! I used to drink her titty milk!”

by Anonymousreply 7706/07/2021

Wish we had more gay films of this quality.

by Anonymousreply 7806/07/2021

r77, you didn't read the thread before you posted, did you?

by Anonymousreply 7906/07/2021

i have the DVD of Mandingo and i have jacked to it so many times it's not even funny!

ONLY for ken norton's scene where it's HIM who is seduced.... at first, nervous and scared, but then his horniness takes over and he takes control of the situation..

the ending of the scene where the camera shows ken norton's character's face in ORGASMIC ECSTACY IS OFF THE CHARTS! his face is literally quivering from pleasure and shown in close-up! NOW THAT IS GREAT ACTING! I don't think i've ever seen in a NON porn movie, a actor's face react that way in a sex scene! I wonder if the director told Norton " now, Ken, during the climax i want you to act like it's the greatest orgasm you have ever felt, show it in your face!"....

and of course the finale of the sex scene where the camera fades back and from above to show his beautiful black muscular body draped over little susan george's character's body is so so sexy!

HOW I WISH, that their affair wasn't a one time affair! IF ONLY, the film had shown them having sex multiple times, in multiple areas and multiple positions!

by Anonymousreply 8006/07/2021

It's a racist anti-racist movie that nails the institution of American slavery perfectly.

It should never be "cancelled."

by Anonymousreply 8106/07/2021

R81, no, it treats slavery like softcore porn. That's not anti-racist.

And it's kind of hard to "cancel" something that no one watches anymore except dataloungers

Republicans bitch about cancel culture but now they're trying to prevent school from addressing racism in any way, shape, or form

by Anonymousreply 8206/07/2021

R80, that sex scene with Ken Norton and Susan George is scorching hot as it is, but it would be even hotter if Norton had been allowed to thrust when he's on top of her. You would have thought it would be okay for him to do that, even in a movie made at that time, as long as they didn't actually show his butt, but even though we only see his upper torso for most of the scene, he's just lying on top of her, not thrusting at all. I guess maybe they played it safe to avoid an X rating. Wish we could see the outtakes.

by Anonymousreply 8306/07/2021

r41, you know that's not healthy right? You black men are "bucks" and beasts? No soul or humanity?

by Anonymousreply 8406/07/2021

Has anyone seen the sequel "Womandingo"?

by Anonymousreply 8506/07/2021

First time we got to see Perry King's uncut cock.

by Anonymousreply 8606/07/2021

[quote]My favorite part is the realistic rendering of the interiors of the main house. A dimly lit place, as they all were at that time, evoking the moral bankruptcy of its decrepit owners.

Richard H. Kline, who shot it, was a very good cinematographer: Camelot; The Fury; Body Heat; Breathless, and many more.

by Anonymousreply 8706/07/2021

R39, She was also once engaged to singer Jack Jones when he was hot as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 8806/07/2021

R13, The scene in "Straw Dogs" where she is raped by her former boyfriend and begins to enjoy it is also hot.

by Anonymousreply 8906/07/2021

R14 I didn’t know O.J. was offered Norton’s role but I can believe it. When he hosted SNL decades ago he was in a sketch parodying “Mandingo” and he looked hotter than hell.

A real pity he turned out to be such garbage.

by Anonymousreply 9006/08/2021

Can somebody send me a little coloured by to rest my feet on to take away my arthritis?

by Anonymousreply 9106/08/2021

The book was so much better

by Anonymousreply 9206/08/2021

[quote] Go ahead and hate me but I have had a lifelong obsession with black men because of watching this as a gayling.

I’m assuming you’ve never actually shared this little detail with any of your ‘obsessions?’ Because that would send me running for the hills.

by Anonymousreply 9306/08/2021

[quote]Can somebody send me a little coloured by to rest my feet on to take away my arthritis?

I'm available!

by Anonymousreply 9406/08/2021

Whenever I watch this movie, I have to repair to my fainting couch with a severe case of the vapors.

by Anonymousreply 9506/08/2021

Tried to find the SNL parody with OJ Simpson but it's behind a paywall on Peacock. (You don't have to pay, just give them your email address)

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by Anonymousreply 9606/08/2021

Don't put mandingos in your Jello- it won't set!

by Anonymousreply 9706/08/2021

Gross movie. Hetsex makes my stomach turn. Who let in all the fraus in this thread? It's the very definition of a sexploitation film and totally exaggerated for maximum effect.

by Anonymousreply 9806/08/2021

Those of us who knew Ken Norton from boxing called him Kenny.

by Anonymousreply 9906/08/2021

Pleasure me, Mandingo!

by Anonymousreply 10006/08/2021

Costumes for "Mandingo" by the legendary Ann Roth, as well as for "Drum".

by Anonymousreply 10106/08/2021

What a fun thread. It truly goes all over the place.

by Anonymousreply 10206/08/2021

I like the scene at the slave auction where the prospective lady buyer reaches into Ken Norton's loincloth to feel the goods.

by Anonymousreply 10306/08/2021

R103, And here it is . . .

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by Anonymousreply 10406/08/2021

I would've paid THEM to play the role of the groper.

by Anonymousreply 10506/08/2021

It’s hard to believe there’s not a full frontal shot of Ken Norton out there somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 10606/08/2021

How anyone can call this a gay movie is beyond me. It's heterosexual orientated to the point of grotesque. I didn't find any of it hot and I don't care much for naked frau bodies.

by Anonymousreply 10706/08/2021

[quote]It’s hard to believe there’s not a full frontal shot of Ken Norton out there somewhere.

Perhaps he doesn't measure up to the role.

by Anonymousreply 10806/08/2021

I sneaked in to see this when I was a kid. Perry King was my everything. Oof.

by Anonymousreply 10906/08/2021

I'm surprised there isnt a gay porn version.

by Anonymousreply 11006/08/2021

It's a masterpiece.

You CRAVED me! And you TOOK me! And you HAD me!!!!!

A line to quote to anyone who has sullied you.

by Anonymousreply 11106/08/2021

I just watched the “Mandingo II” sketch from the third season of SNL on Peacock. It was pretty funny. It’s hard looking at OJ as he was so hot but obviously deranged.

by Anonymousreply 11206/08/2021

i believe there is a old black and white photo of ken norton in nothing but a jockstrap out there online so there is that..

by Anonymousreply 11306/08/2021

Indeed

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by Anonymousreply 11406/08/2021

Boris Leven who was the production designer also designed West Side Story and the Sound of Music. Maybe Robert Wise should have directed the film.

by Anonymousreply 11506/08/2021

This thread is boarder line racist and dehumanizing towards black men and reduces them to nothing but living sex objects.

This is also very dangerous too. When you take away a person's humanity and reduce them to a sex object because of how they look and how their body is built and the darkness of their skin. You can very easily allow yourself to treat people as though they aren't human.

This is just disgusting and disturbing to see. But I wouldn't expect anything different from a bunch of gay white men and white people in general. Especially when it comes to black men and the types who look like Terry Crews.

by Anonymousreply 11606/08/2021

Of course it's not excusable to objectify anyone, R16. Unfortunately it seems like society is becoming more visual and more prone to stereotype any number of looks, body types, ethnicities, attributes, etc., generalizing indiscriminately. It's reductive and inaccurate. However, you're only reinforcing the polarization and generalizaton with "I wouldn't expect anything different from a bunch of gay white men and white people in general". These days objectification seems to be on the increase among almost everyone in some form or another, ascription askew ad nauseam.

by Anonymousreply 11706/08/2021

[quote]boarder line racist

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 11806/08/2021

You're a homophobic racist R116. Begone with you. If you can't see the humor of this thread and the mockery we are making of a racist sexploitation film of the 70s you're a pathetic human being who has absolutely no right judging anybody or anything. In fact I think you are actually that shit stirring queen who uses every opportunity to call people traitors and Nazis.

Disgusting and disturbing my foot.

by Anonymousreply 11906/08/2021

Are you new here R116? Dataloungers reduce EVERY hot guy and sometimes even not hot ones to sex objects regardless of race.

by Anonymousreply 12006/09/2021

Is r116 the one who calls out people here for being racist if they DON’T comment that a black celebrity is hot, but is now saying it’s exploitation if we DO?

by Anonymousreply 12106/09/2021

R116 - Thank you. I'm assuming you, in your life, have never reduced a man to a sex object? I was so moved by the holier-than-thou response you made. It never occurred to me that there was a way to make your point about dehumanizing - and perhaps even fetishizing people - in a way that was less preachy, acknowledge your own humanity and that you are beyond reproach. There was no other way to handle this clearly, and you are the most brilliant person that ever lived and are perfect.

by Anonymousreply 12206/09/2021

I got to go backstage when Whoopi was doing "Xanadu" on Broadway and have "The Color Purple" DVD signed.

by Anonymousreply 12306/09/2021

R13 So, when she uttered the words, “Fuck me, Mandingo, fuck me hard!” - she wasn’t acting?

by Anonymousreply 12406/09/2021

Objectification can be sexy as hell.

So, R116 just shut the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 12506/09/2021

I wouldn’t say this movie nor GWTW captures the institution of slavery just as it was. The actual experiences would be somewhere in the middle, a grey area. The only real things we have from slaves telling us about their experiences are the Slave Narratives, which on the whole does not support either depiction. Though there is a school of thought that the narratives should be discounted, I feel that is wrong because you are stealing the voice of the slaves, for a second time. Though this film is somewhat justifiable, in that it is a breeding plantation, which in the time of slavery was considered disgusting even among other slave owners.

It is a difficult time period for us to understand because we judge them from our own time. Many white people want to believe they would be John Brown fighting to free the slaves, and most black people think they would be Denmark Vesey leading an uprising to free themselves and their race. But, in actuality most of us would be just trying to go along and live. Especially since the idea that slavery was wrong and unnatural was a fairly new and novel concept in white European, black African and Native American cultures. Many, just like today, would’ve accepted that it was just the order of the world so they had to make the most of whatever they were dealt.

by Anonymousreply 12606/09/2021

White fragility is real baby.

I hit some nerves and the truth was spoken.

A hit dog will always holler.

by Anonymousreply 12706/10/2021

R126 well said....

by Anonymousreply 12806/10/2021

[quote] My 13 year old sister received this book from our grandma. Sister spent her teens and early twenties chasing BBC.

Yup, like granny used to say; BBC makes the world go round and young fillies wet

by Anonymousreply 12906/10/2021

No R116 your own ugly homophobic racist soul was revealed. You were as others noted complaining that DL never objectified men of color only white men. So we then objectify black men and it brings out your hatred of whitey and fags. You are a nasty piece of work.

by Anonymousreply 13006/10/2021

R130 who the FUCK is asking or begging white people to objectify black men?

Last time I checked, black men aren't having a hard time getting pussy or dick or anything else they want. They're getting everything they want just as well as white men are.

That was a stupid nonsense statement made by you. But I guess you have to justify this bullshit thread somehow.

And I'm sure projection is your middle name, asshole.

by Anonymousreply 13106/10/2021

I was offered the Susan George role but found the whole production smelled of exploitation. I kept turning down the role even as the producers upped my proposed salary. I'm no gutter rat.

by Anonymousreply 13206/11/2021

R116 you are a gaping twat. You've never been on this site before so don't know we objectify men. Go back into your hole you racist homo hating idiot.

by Anonymousreply 13306/11/2021

It would have been a better song if Barry Manilow sang about "Mandingo" instead of "Mandy".

by Anonymousreply 13406/11/2021
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