He told the story about poor Rue last night on WWHL. I wonder if Bea or Betty offered to give her any money? They certainly had plenty of money to spare.
Rue McClanahan lost her Golden Girls money in the Bernie Madoff scandal & was broke
|by Anonymous||reply 91||8 hours ago|
Leslie also said that Mary Frann, who played Bob Newhart's wife on Newhart, was the biggest bitch he ever worked with.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||Last Wednesday at 4:52 PM|
Well, Blanche was an easy mark. I easily sold her all that aerobics gear and she didn't hesitate on the price of anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||Last Wednesday at 5:12 PM|
I always wonder why the people who lost money to Madoff had it all in one place. I spread my money around.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||Last Wednesday at 5:20 PM|
I'm surprised he didn't tell about the first time he met Robert Downey, Jr. since he's told the story many times. Leslie was doing a short stretch in the LA jail for drugs, and this was during RDJ's renowned dope crazy days. RDJ had been arrested and they stuck him in the cell with Leslie. The next time they met RDJ said "haven't we met before?". And Leslie reminded him of their sordid past. 😄
|by Anonymous||reply 4||Last Wednesday at 5:20 PM|
Rue had to clean up the pile of shit that Bea left on Betty’s dressing room floor.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||Last Wednesday at 5:38 PM|
She didn't have to because Estelle ate it up, the poor demented creature.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||Last Wednesday at 5:40 PM|
I do not feel sorry for any Madoff victims. How stupid could you be? Nobody makes the returns on investments that he promised.
Greedy and foolish people deserve all they get.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||Last Wednesday at 9:49 PM|
I remember Kevin Bacon and his wife were also very big Madoff victims.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||Last Wednesday at 9:57 PM|
I agree with r7, anyone who would fall for Bernie's con and give him ALL your money would give Trump all your money, so too bad you greedy idiot
|by Anonymous||reply 9||Last Wednesday at 10:20 PM|
[quote] Leslie also said that Mary Frann, who played Bob Newhart's wife on Newhart, was the biggest bitch he ever worked with.
I could have told you that.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||Last Wednesday at 10:50 PM|
Yvonne never ceases to make me laugh.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||Last Wednesday at 10:59 PM|
Rue spread her legs alot.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||Last Wednesday at 11:57 PM|
Madoff victims were reimbursed at about an 85% of total rate. Some of them had a tough couple of years, but they did get the majority of their $ back.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||Last Thursday at 12:01 AM|
Many of Madoff's victims didn't deal with him directly but through brokers and firms, so it wasn't a case of people seeing a shady deal and agreeing to it out of greed.
It's always struck me as particularly odd that people who clearly have NO IDEA how the Madoff scam worked will judge everyone who was a victim of it as a bad person who deserved to suffer.
And the "if you gave money to Madoff then you were definitely a Trumpster" thing is just pure, unfiltered stupidity.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||Last Thursday at 12:10 AM|
Why does Cohen think he has to physically move the show along with exaggerated faces, reactions and fake laughing- and shouting like he has no microphone?
|by Anonymous||reply 15||Last Thursday at 1:39 AM|
Newhart hated Frann too.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||Last Thursday at 1:47 AM|
Man, I fucking LOVE Leslie Jordan.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||Last Thursday at 1:53 AM|
He has no fucks to give, he just says what he wants.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||Last Thursday at 1:56 AM|
I heard a piece on Leslie on NPR over the weekend- he's coming out with a gospel album, singing with some big starts, like Dolly.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||Last Thursday at 2:00 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 20||Last Thursday at 2:01 AM|
Bob Newhart also said that Frann was a cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||Last Thursday at 2:05 AM|
Describe more of what happened. Nobody wants to watch some shitty Youtube video
|by Anonymous||reply 22||Last Thursday at 2:13 AM|
Mary Frann! I believe him, but that wasn’t my experience. Worked w her at Disney. She was almost too nice, which I guess is a different kind of red flag. It was like spending 3 days w a local morning show hostess.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||Last Thursday at 2:46 AM|
Rue didn’t seem to make her money go as far. Bea died with a Brentwood estate, Betty still has her Brentwood estate. Rue had a simple house in Encino and downsized to a condo. I think she had the condo before the Madoff deal.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||Last Thursday at 3:10 AM|
Rue didn't have as prosperous a career as did Bea and Betty, either.
Rue was only a supporting player on Maude and she didn't do much between Maude and GG.
She didn't have much after GG, either.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||Last Thursday at 3:22 AM|
R25, Rue has a good cameo as the murder victim of Patrick McGoohan in one of the later "Columbo" episodes -- "Ashes to Ashes".
|by Anonymous||reply 26||Last Thursday at 4:23 AM|
If she did lose a ton of money in the Madoff scandal I wonder if she was able to get any of it back in the settlement before she died or if her estate got any back after she died.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||Last Thursday at 4:42 AM|
[quote]Rue spread her legs alot.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||Last Thursday at 5:16 AM|
Rue had SIX husbands. I'm sure she lost plenty in property settlements and spousal support (not to mention attorneys' fees.)
|by Anonymous||reply 29||Last Thursday at 5:18 AM|
Rue had a cocaine addiction until the last couple of years of her life, I'm sure a lot of money went up her nose.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||Last Thursday at 5:20 AM|
According to Mary Frann's IMBD she staved herself into a fatal heart attack so maybe she wasn't mean, just cranky from being hungry.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||Last Thursday at 5:23 AM|
R30 she also turned tricks when she was broke. Her granny porn videos also sold like hot cakes!
|by Anonymous||reply 32||Last Thursday at 5:24 AM|
Who here is going to buy Leslie Jordan's gospel album?
Nobody? I thought so.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||Last Thursday at 5:54 AM|
I knew Rue had to be in trouble when she opened that cafe from the grave.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||Last Thursday at 6:11 AM|
R30 is any of that true?
|by Anonymous||reply 35||Last Thursday at 6:23 AM|
She was a slut, just like Blanche. Typecasting.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||Last Thursday at 6:45 AM|
Rue's original nose was cute. I wonder who told her otherwise.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||Last Thursday at 6:46 AM|
[quote]I spread my money around.
Like manure? Encouraging young things to grow?
Are your shutters forest green?
|by Anonymous||reply 38||Last Thursday at 6:56 AM|
Rue also had a quite large apartment in NYC. I remember it was on the market years back.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||Last Thursday at 7:25 AM|
Did she hope for a big stage career in New York post GG?
|by Anonymous||reply 40||Last Thursday at 7:26 AM|
I saw her on Broadway in Wicked. She was great. With Ben Vereen.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||Last Thursday at 7:30 AM|
[quote]I do not feel sorry for any Madoff victims. How stupid could you be? Nobody makes the returns on investments that he promised.
I think his victims fall into two categories: 1) the greedy ones who heard big returns and salivated; and 2) the ones who had a bit of money, but were not money savvy so trusted people who suggested that Madoff was a very knowledgeable and smart place to put your money.
While there were a handful of people who raised some concerns about Madoff, they didn't get a lot of press. Also, before he started the company, Madoff was well-regarded and credible among Wall Street investors.
Didn't people like Kyra Sedgwick and Kevin Bacon lose a lot of money also? She's from OLD money and her father was a well-known venture capital guy. He died in 2018 at 90 years old. Kyra had been investing for years with Madoff by the time the scandal started getting attention in 2001 and when it actually exploded in 2008. If someone as well connected to that world as Sedwick got taken, I'm not surprised at how many others were.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||Last Thursday at 7:42 AM|
R3 they let greed cloud their judgement. But, they acted like us. Most of us have money in a 401k. Let’s say you get connected to a firm with decades of positive returns. You Amy he inclined to invest. He was beating out he blue chips.
But m, common sense would say diversify. They got greedy. But it’s not their fault. We all try to make what we can off of the market.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||Last Thursday at 7:46 AM|
I've read that the court appointed receiver was able to return much of the original amounts invested. People were able to recoup much of their capital, but lost potential investment returns. It must have been a financial hit, but I don't think after the unwinding, she was left destitute.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||Last Thursday at 7:53 AM|
All those years toiling away on Golden Girls and Maude only to lose it all in a scam. The Golden Girls curse is real!
|by Anonymous||reply 45||Last Thursday at 7:55 AM|
R8, So was Larry King.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||Last Thursday at 8:03 AM|
Where did Bob Newhart disparage Mary Frann? I googled but can't find anything. It seems out of character for him to put down a costar.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||Last Thursday at 8:24 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 48||Last Thursday at 8:34 AM|
The fact that they ended that sitcom with Newhart waking up to his previous TV wife does suggest that Frann wasn't held in high esteem.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||Last Thursday at 9:19 AM|
^And yet, Bob suggested to Emily she consider wearing more sweaters.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||Last Thursday at 9:41 AM|
Was Mary Frann family? I do so wonder. No kids, but from a generation where that would be expected. a middle aged marriage which lasted ten years. Makes a person wonder.
Rue had a time. She was marrying men left and right. I bet she committed adultery on her wedding night(s) a time or two. Woman had her way with a young Brad Davis in her backyard or so the story goes.
Madoff was a POS. He even screwed over the Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity didn't he? How low can you go? My goodness. Diversify what all you have yourself or learn how to your own self I do dare say.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||Last Thursday at 9:56 AM|
I love that the pandemic made a star out of someone like Leslie Jordan. He seems to have worked or met with just about everyone and has all the good stories. I always smile when he turns up in an episode of a TV show or a movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||Last Thursday at 10:03 AM|
r5 Did Bea dislike Betty that much??!!😆😲
|by Anonymous||reply 53||Last Thursday at 10:05 AM|
O.P. in the clip Leslie said he doesn't know how much she lost. So it may not have been all "her money"
|by Anonymous||reply 54||Last Thursday at 10:15 AM|
R54, He clearly says that "she didn't have any money, just like me" when he was talking about the touring show he did with Rue.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||Last Thursday at 12:15 PM|
Rue was on NBC’s Mama’s Family for a couple of seasons playing Aunt Fran.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||Last Thursday at 12:59 PM|
Poor Rue was following the Lucille Ball career path. Do a successful sitcom, then try your hand at musical comedy. And like Lucy, Rue was awful at it.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||Last Thursday at 1:06 PM|
Rue's cock was much shorter than Bea's.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||Last Thursday at 1:09 PM|
[quote] I spread my money around.
Make sure that and sunshine is all you spread around.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||Last Thursday at 1:58 PM|
[quote]Leslie was doing a short stretch in the LA jail for drugs, and this was during RDJ's renowned dope crazy days. RDJ had been arrested and they stuck him in the cell with Leslie. The next time they met RDJ said "haven't we met before?". And Leslie reminded him of their sordid past.
I love this story.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||Last Thursday at 2:24 PM|
Rue and Leslie also did the Sordid Lives TV show together on LOGO several years ago. I loved that show, but I think I was the only one who watched it.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||Last Thursday at 2:28 PM|
R61 It was so amazing!
|by Anonymous||reply 62||Last Thursday at 2:29 PM|
R61 It also starred Olivia Newton John as a lesbian country singer!
|by Anonymous||reply 63||Last Thursday at 2:29 PM|
[Quote] It also starred Olivia Newton John as a lesbian country singer!
How did she prepare for the role? Follow herself around for a year?
|by Anonymous||reply 64||Last Thursday at 2:30 PM|
I just saw Rue as the Countess De Lave in the Great Performances "The Women." She was--guess what?--funny...."If you live in Switzerland, you must accept the Alps!"
|by Anonymous||reply 65||Last Thursday at 2:42 PM|
Rue had a stretched out old snatch.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||Last Thursday at 2:47 PM|
On Mary Frann, I never read Newhart saying anything negative about her. I was reading a blog posted by an actress who was stand-in for Julia Duffy. She also played the twin in that hilarious episode where Stephanie stared in a sitcom about having a twin. Anyway, she gave some behind-the-scenes shit.
From what I remember, Newhart didn't care for Frann.
Didn't socialize with her and complained about her mugging for the camera. As the show progressed, he wanted her to have less and less screen time. He and Tom Poston were buddies from wayyy back --btw, did you know that Poston MARRIED Pleshette long after the show was off the air?
The stand-in also said that Newhart wasn't particularly friendly with the people he didn't know before the show. I think he respected what they brought, but he wasn't very social. It sounds like he's a weird dude. And the poster upthread is correct. The fact that they brought in Pleshette for the final scene screams volumes. If I was Frann, I would've been RIPSHIT.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||Last Friday at 1:41 AM|
Don’t actors get residuals for show repeats ?
|by Anonymous||reply 68||Last Friday at 1:57 AM|
[quote]Rue had SIX husbands. I'm sure she lost plenty in property settlements and spousal support (not to mention attorneys' fees.)
Why was Rue married so many times?
|by Anonymous||reply 69||Last Friday at 3:53 AM|
Stop with the “they brought Pleshette in” crap. She was a guest star for a 30 second bit that was the most brilliant ending for a sitcom. That ending was pure genius.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||Last Friday at 4:33 AM|
I'm surprised that Rue would have had a bad relationship with Bea since Rue was a regular on Maude.
Why would Bea even allow her to be part of the show if she didn't like her.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||Last Friday at 7:10 AM|
They didn't have a bad relationship. The producers asked Rue to call Bea and get her to accept the role of Dorothy. Bea accepted Rue's call and took the role after hearing that Rue would be playing "Sue Ann Nivens" and that Betty White would be playing the dunce role.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||Last Friday at 7:12 AM|
R42 people can’t be savvy in everything and most trust ‘experts’ to make decisions for them. I debated with too many people early last year on the merits of wearing face masks to combat covid, but it all fell on deaf ears until those experts changed their tunes. Sadly it’s hard to convince people that not everybody has their best interests at heart. You’d think after last year we might take a step back and maybe stop blindly following authority. Maybe respect it but remain skeptical and definitely be open to red flags like “face masks don’t work but we need to save them for healthcare workers” comments made by people while they’re actually wearing surgical masks lol. But we haven’t learned squat.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||Last Friday at 7:32 AM|
This sounds like the storyline for a Golden Girls episode: Blanche starts dating a successful gentleman who tries to convince the ladies to put all of their money into his investment fund where they are guaranteed to earn big bucks. Dorothy thinks it all sounds too good to be true and tries to talk Blanche and Rose out of it. Sophia knows that he's a con man--she's from Sicily, after all. Blanche ignores their warnings and goes ahead and invests her life savings with him and loses everything. She then has to get a job running the drive-thru window at Burger Guy.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||Last Friday at 8:30 AM|
Madoff personally recruited some people and his line was always "don't tell anyone else you're getting this deal," so that would be a big red flag to anyone with sense. Typical con--you are the smart one but keep it down low.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||Last Friday at 9:03 AM|
Rue and Bea got along fine. It was Betty that Bea hated and Bea shit on Betty’s dressing room floor.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||Last Friday at 1:42 PM|
Did a smoking nun suggest Rue invest with Madoff?
|by Anonymous||reply 77||Last Friday at 1:50 PM|
Rue lost touch with Bea because Bea remained friendly with Rue's fourth husband after they had a bitter divorce. Bea would have dinner parties and would take cooking classes with him, and Rue felt it would be extremely awkward to socialize with her knowing that he would most likely be there. But they didn't hate each other, and remained on friendly terms until Bea's passing.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||Last Friday at 2:08 PM|
R70 Who the fuck is saying that it wasn't good? Stop reading into shit.
HOWEVER, Frann was the lead actress on that show for 8 SEASONS. Anybody with a pulse would be pissed that Newhart brought in the actress from his previous show to close his current one. It's a goddamn insult.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||Yesterday at 1:26 AM|
Had no idea Doris Roberts was considered for part of Blanche on Golden Girls. Just cannot see how that would have worked. Marie Barone a slut?
|by Anonymous||reply 80||Yesterday at 2:37 AM|
[quote]It was Betty that Bea hated
Why did Betty & Bea not like each other?
|by Anonymous||reply 81||Yesterday at 4:25 AM|
[quote]Had no idea Doris Roberts was considered for part of Blanche on Golden Girls
That's because she wasn't. Read the headline of the article you linked.
It was Vivian on Maude that she was offered. Bea Arthur and her were friends and when they were casting Vivian, Bea called her up and told her to come out and audition. But Norman Lear thought she was too similar to Bea. That's when he went with Rue.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||Yesterday at 6:59 AM|
[quote]This sounds like the storyline for a Golden Girls episode: Blanche starts dating a successful gentleman who tries to convince the ladies to put all of their money into his investment fund where they are guaranteed to earn big bucks.
There was an episode where Blanche and Sophia got conned out of $2000 in a “pigeon drop” scam.
[quote]At the mall, a man claims to find a wallet full of money near Blanche and Sophia with no ID. The three of them agree to put a notice in the paper, and to split the money if they don’t hear back soon. A seemingly random nun advises that, since they don’t know each other, they should deposit the money in a joint account and all put up equal amounts of their own money as a show of good faith.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||Yesterday at 8:37 AM|
R82 I could have seen her as being considered for Dorothy, though - and, of course, it’s another Jew playing an Italian, blah blah.
Also remember she’s the one (with Selma Diamond) who did that “Miami Nice” bit (I think it was at the Emmys, they used to show that clip on GG bios) that the whole Golden Girls was based on.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||Yesterday at 8:42 AM|
[quote]Don’t actors get residuals for show repeats ?
They do. But, the residual amounts reduce over time.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||16 hours ago|
He tries too hard now - the overly fake laugh etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||16 hours ago|
R81, according to Betty, it was just a personality clash. Betty was always happy-go-lucky and upbeat, and this annoyed Bea.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||15 hours ago|
[quote]Bea Arthur and her were friends
|by Anonymous||reply 88||15 hours ago|
[quote]I could have seen her as being considered for Dorothy, though - and, of course, it’s another Jew playing an Italian, blah blah.
She won four Emmys for doing just that on another show.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||15 hours ago|
R89 that was kind of my point.
Also, Rue didn’t make nearly the money Bea and Betty did, so it wasn’t a question of it “not going as far.”
She lived in an unremarkable post-war building off Sutton that I’m sure she didn’t pay much for. Had nice outdoor space if I remember though.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||14 hours ago|
r66: Eat dirt and die, trash.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||8 hours ago|