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Why Did Desperate Housewives Fade Away?

When the first season aired it was on every mag, ABC advertised the hell out of it and it seemed to hit at the right moment. Yet, it seems to be almost totally forgotten, unless the Teri Hatcher drama is mentioned. Compare the show with Sex and the City, which ended the same year DH started, Sex is still talked about, it had two movies and is now getting a follow up series. I could see a DH revival happening but I doubt it would ever bring in the same hype and would only last for a season.

by Anonymousreply 108Last Saturday at 1:30 PM

It originally started as a mystery and then devolved into a soap opera. There were a lot more DH shows than SATC, plus SATC tackled new ground and could explore R topics because it was cable.

Let's not forget - all the Real Housewives shows evolved from DH. There's enough of that in reality TV now.

by Anonymousreply 104/06/2021

HOUSEWIVES started strong but it grew tired and often ridiculous before it finally ended. I was a loyal viewer until the end but I don't have a fond nostalgia for it the same way I might for SATC (which really captured a place and moment in time, for all its faults). DH seemed to exist in a purely fictional universe of its own, and none of the characters was particularly endearing or memorable. By the finale, I just didn't care.

I can't imagine taking time to revisit it years later.

by Anonymousreply 204/06/2021

Sex & the City was about living your best life.

Desperate Housewives was about ... well, trying to make suburban living look sordid.

by Anonymousreply 304/06/2021

PS: is there anyone less interesting than an American housewife, when it comes down to it?

by Anonymousreply 404/06/2021

Season 1 was a masterpiece. It was like a novel had come alive on our screens. The subsequent seasons couldn’t quite hold up and the women became ridiculous and hard to root for. The time jump helped breathe some new life into the show but it came too late. I watched to the end but only out of habit.

by Anonymousreply 504/06/2021

After the first couple of seasons the plot lines became more like a cartoon than real life. It really turned into shit.

by Anonymousreply 604/06/2021

Sex and the City is promoted eternally by the indefatigable SJP.

by Anonymousreply 704/06/2021

Season One was the crème de la crème of 2004 television. Season 1 was magnificent- the death of Mary Alice, the murder of Martha Huber, "who is Dana?", affairs, raising kids, emotionally distant husbands, etc. All of season one and the first episode of season 2 (it wraps up season one) are a novel, like R5 said. I have watched season one probably four times.

Season 2 had a good mystery, but it did not have the same magic. Alfre Woodward keeping her son locked in the basement was good.

Season 3 brought it Kyle MacLachlan, Dixie Carter, and Laurie Metcalfe. The mystery behind Bree's new husband, his family, who ran over Mike, and the grocery store shooting was ingenious.

Season 4, however, is where you could tell they were suffering. Dana Delaney is the new neighbor who is now a main housewife?!

They jumped the shark with the time jump. Season 5 was a mess, it lost it's magic and luster.

Just watch season 1 and the first episode of season 2 and consider it a mini series. You will be better off.

by Anonymousreply 804/06/2021

I agree with the above posters that Season 1 was magnificent. It's what hooked so many people on the show. Season 2 was a big letdown. One of the main reasons for that was because of the tension on the set. Teri Hatcher didn't get along with the other women, so they separated Teri's character Susan way too much from the other housewives in order to make working conditions better. The camaraderie of the women in the first season was what lifted the show.

Also, I don't think the show was planned out beyond Season 1. As R8 observes, watching the first season and episode one of the second could be viewed as a miniseries. That's what had been planned. Marc Cherry freaked out when it became a hit and he had no plan for Season 2, and boy did it show.

Still, the show improved in Season 3. However, it never reached the heights of the first season ever again. I watched up through Season 6 and some of Season 7 then gave up after a few episodes. I've never seen Season 8.

by Anonymousreply 904/06/2021

That show stunk (stank?). It did stink. It sucked. I watched it and I tried to like it, but there was nothing likable about it.

by Anonymousreply 1004/06/2021

It became a shitshow right after season two, an unsalvagesble shitshow.

by Anonymousreply 1104/06/2021

A new neighbour has moved in to Wisteria Lane? And they have a secret? OMG how original?

And there's a new male character who is objectified and made to be shirtless most of the time?

What fun!

by Anonymousreply 1204/06/2021

R12 - exactly my point - the latter seasons are cut from a daytime soap opera template.

by Anonymousreply 1304/06/2021

Tell me about it, r4.

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by Anonymousreply 1404/06/2021

I recently rewatched from start to finish on Hulu. It took me about 6 weeks. Thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it, except when Tom. ‘S ex girlfriend and daughter showed up.

by Anonymousreply 1504/06/2021

Another great show ruined by Hollywood egos. I fucking hate when that happens.

by Anonymousreply 1604/06/2021

One of the side effects of a long, lingering run for a series (and decline in quality): I have no burning need to see the lead actresses in anything, anytime soon. Perhaps ever again.

by Anonymousreply 1704/06/2021

8 seasons is a pretty good run.

by Anonymousreply 1804/06/2021

I hated the lame “alcoholism” and insta-lesbianism.

by Anonymousreply 1904/06/2021

Being a huge Teri Hatcher fan, I was hooked from the jump. Season 1 was perfect, but the show lost its footing/sophomore slump in season 2, & it never went back to its former glory. The rest of the seasons were hit & miss, overall I think the show was too precious for most. I felt like it appealed to more conservative tastes, despite the campiness. I had an evangelical friend who was in her 60s, who had to get permission from hubby to watch tv shows, & he wholeheartedly approved of DH & was a huge fan himself (though he forbade her from revealing this to anyone, which of course she did).

by Anonymousreply 2004/06/2021

As many have pointed season 1 was excellent and it should have ended after it. It became stupid drama with cheap jokes. No good storylines after the first season.

by Anonymousreply 2104/06/2021

I believe Terri Hatcher is a republican.

by Anonymousreply 2204/06/2021

I’ve only seen this show through the memes that have been going around. I can’t imagine what the series would be like to watch in its entirety. Can it give you brain damage?

by Anonymousreply 2304/06/2021

Agree with those saying season 1 was a masterpiece, so much effort clearly went into all aspects and the acting was terrific.

Season 2 blew it's load too soon, making control freak Bree an alcoholic and sending the only actual desperate housewife Lynette back to work. The mystery was deadly dull mainly because it involved new characters with no connection to the lane.

Season 3 went back to the style of the first season with a mystery (Bree's new husband Orson) threatening the safety of the women. Due to Marcia's this was brought too quickly to a banal ending and the season languished for a few more episodes doing little.

Some episodes of season 8 were unwatchable. It at least tried to have a sharp ending.

by Anonymousreply 2404/06/2021

Another reason, imo, that the quality faded is that became less of an ensemble show and more of a show about 5 different women who sometimes interacted. Obviously real life feuds and egos came into play, but Susan moving away from Wisteria Lane and not having much contact with the other three was dreadful. It happens a lot with shows that start out with a big group in season one that everyone loves and then that group splits up in subsequent seasons. The Walking Dead suffered from that, and Stranger Things has as well. In season one all the women had their own side stories but there was one major plot that brought them together and made it a cohesive plot.

by Anonymousreply 2504/06/2021

R25 they tried to bring them closer together in season 3 after the separation in s2

by Anonymousreply 2604/06/2021

They killed Rex off too soon IMHO. But I liked Bree's storyline about her battle with alcoholism and her two spoiled kids. Growing up, my parents (who were pretty affluent) divorced. It was just my mom and me. We have a relationship like Andrew and Bree in some ways.

by Anonymousreply 2704/06/2021

Season 1 is about as perfect a season of television as you'll ever find. 2 was a little less thrilling, but 3 was pretty great and even 4 had its moments. 5 is when it really fell apart when they killed off Edie and 6 was totally unwatchable. 7 brings in Vanessa Williams as Edie 2.0 and she brought a lot of life back into the show. I've yet to watch the final season. I've heard it's terrible.

That first season, though...wow! At the time, it was huge and it's hard to even explain just how big it was. Everyone was watching it.

by Anonymousreply 2804/06/2021

I'm surprised Eva Longoria's career hasn't gone as far as I thought it would. She had terrific comic timing. I've been rewatching it on Hulu and she keeps impressing me the most. She makes a selfish character like Gabby really likable and relatable. Not many could do that.

by Anonymousreply 2904/06/2021

I agree Eva was terrific. Killing Rex at the end of season 1 was shocking and made for a great finale but really left Bree adrift in season 2 until they brought in Orson.

by Anonymousreply 3004/06/2021

R30 Yeah, but Bree falling apart is great. I remember that scene when Lynette put all the wine bottles on Bree's driveway to show just how much she was drinking. That scene sticks with me.

by Anonymousreply 3104/06/2021

I hated Gabby's "switched baby" plot. Who'd Eva piss off that season?

by Anonymousreply 3204/06/2021

This show is the epitome of the phrase jumping the shark (well, I guess besides Happy Days from which the term derives). The last season is one of the most embarrassingly bad series of episodes in network TV drama history. Just horrendous what they cooked up for Teri Hatcher and Felicity Huffman’s characters, especially.

by Anonymousreply 3304/06/2021

Bree's suicide attempt in s8 and Vanessa Williams rescuing her is brilliant acting.

One of the best episodes "Bang" was in s3. Supermarket siege.

by Anonymousreply 3404/06/2021

Jesse Metcalfe's boobs started to sag.

by Anonymousreply 3504/06/2021

[quote]Being a huge Teri Hatcher fan, I was hooked from the jump.

I'm sorry: I don't think I understood one word of this. Can some native English speaker translate what this poster actually meant to say?

by Anonymousreply 3604/06/2021

I thought the guy who played Lynettes husband Tom was hot as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 3704/06/2021

R37 yeah Doug Savant, who played gay Matt on Melrose Place in the 90s opposite Marcia Cross as crazy Dr. Kimberly Shaw on Melrose

How do you not know that?

You're gonna have your gay card revoked

by Anonymousreply 3804/06/2021

I loved when Bree left Andrew at the side of the road in season 2. I loved sociopath Andrew, but then I liked the way he grew out of it and became a tolerable and even rather good soon son to his mother.

Rewatching season 2 during the COVID lockdown made me realize it wasn't that bad at all. It just couldn't compete with the greatness of season 1. Season 3 came close to recapturing that magic, but the big twist was revealed so early because Marcia Cross was pregnant and couldn't film for the full duration of the season, which left the last few episodes a little directionless and without much suspense or intrigue.

4 was the one that really aged better than I'd imagined. I was on the fence about it at the time, but it was much stronger this time around and Dana Delaney was great as Bree's bitchy nemesis with a secret and that evil child of Tom's was great.

5 and 6 were total garbage and can hardly remember a thing about them except that they killed Edie, which ended up being a huge mistake.

by Anonymousreply 3904/06/2021

Teri Hatcher does have excellent tits

by Anonymousreply 4004/06/2021

Re: Nicollette Sheridan and Marc Cherry, the gay Republican who created DH:

[quote]On April 5, 2010, former Desperate Housewives cast member Nicollette Sheridan filed a $20 million lawsuit against Cherry and ABC, alleging that he had assaulted her on set and wrongfully terminated her contract. Sheridan also alleged in her lawsuit that Cherry was abusive to other actors and writers on the show. ABC said in a statement that they had investigated similar claims made by Sheridan and found them to be of no merit. The stars of Desperate Housewives (Teri Hatcher, Felicity Huffman, Marcia Cross and Eva Longoria) pledged their support to Cherry in his battle against assault allegations made by Sheridan. At the end of 2010, Sheridan removed abuse claims from the suit. The case finally went to trial in February 2012. On March 13, 2012, the judge dismissed the battery charge against Cherry due to lack of evidence, and Cherry was no longer a defendant in the lawsuit which then focused solely on Sheridan's alleged wrongful termination by ABC.[19] Closing arguments were heard in the case on March 14, 2012 and the jury began their deliberations. By March 19, 2012, the twelve members of the jury had failed to reach a verdict and a mistrial was declared. A retrial was scheduled to begin on September 10, 2012, but on August 16, 2012, the Los Angeles Court of Appeal determined that Sheridan had not been wrongfully fired and dismissed the retrial. A further appeal made by Sheridan to the California Supreme Court was rejected on November 16, 2012.

by Anonymousreply 4104/06/2021

Why was the last season so horrible? I didn’t watch it but remember it was about Gabbys rapist pedo dad who was killed by Carlos and the housewives covered it up. But it seem here it is without a doubt the worst season?

by Anonymousreply 4204/06/2021

I loved season one but like Twin Peaks, once the initial mystery was over, nobody cared. The show did go on and it had a talented cast, but Teri being a huge cunt, the rest of them trying to cope with her cuntiness and their own issues, started to show.

by Anonymousreply 4304/06/2021

r42 were so over it. Even fans begged for it to die.

by Anonymousreply 4404/06/2021

Sorry, r43, viewers were so over it.

by Anonymousreply 4504/06/2021

I watched every episode from first to last. I recently watched some episodes on Prime and was surprised how good the first season was. The second and third seasons sucked balls. Killing off Edie Britt was a terrible idea. The last three seasons are virtually unwatchable.

by Anonymousreply 4604/06/2021

I always felt DH benefitted from being on SATC's old timeslot, Sundays at 9 pm

The first season was great.

I was at a press event when it was announced that the show was done. All the women were there. Marcia, Eva, and Felicity all had a variation of the same story about them all calling each other when they got the news. Something like Eva saying: "Oh, Marcia called me and then after we hung up I called Felicity..."

This went on with all three of them. At no time did anyone say they were either called by Teri nor did they call her.

I almost pushed and asked about Teri, but...I focused on celebrating the show, not giving space to someone who likely wasn't a team player.

by Anonymousreply 4704/06/2021

This premiered with Lost and both were huge hits with great first seasons and then spiraled out of control.

by Anonymousreply 4804/06/2021

I found Mary Alice's narration increasingly hard to take -- she delivered every line as if it were So Wicked and Naughty, with a cat-that-ate-the-cream quality of self-satisfaction. The wink-wink-nudge-nudge music that saturated every episode was unbearably pleased with itself too. Feh.

by Anonymousreply 4904/06/2021

ITA R49

"And that is why, even though, the ladies of Wisteria Lane thought that they had everything they wanted in life they soon discovered that HAVING everything you think you have isn't want you thought you had after all..."

WHA?

by Anonymousreply 5004/06/2021

Susan kept flashing the neighbours and they complained

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by Anonymousreply 5104/06/2021

This show is proof that homosexuality is gender dysphoria. Marc Cherry can only write heterosexual women remotely believably because that’s what she is.

by Anonymousreply 5204/07/2021

Wrong r52. That’s not who he is thats who he wishes he was.

So many gay men have an obsession with rich white women. They’re so pathetic they actually think like Incels, and think women have easy fantastical lives whose probs can all be solved by showing pussy. Most of theses gay guys become trans. They all truly believe every woman is out there living some type of diva fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 5304/07/2021

A gay TV writer once told me that (for a gay man) it's easier to write sassy women characters and get away with it (aka getting it on the air) than writing sassy gay men. I mean, just look at the success of Golden Girls or Sex & The City.

by Anonymousreply 5404/07/2021

Gay men have always written for big, loud, sassy women. Mae West recognized the unique gifts of gay men (having been mentored by one) and collaborated with and even wrote about gay men in theatre before becoming a film star.

It's not exclusive, though. People forget that besides Michael Patrick Kennedy, most of the writers for SATC were, in fact, straight girls (particularly towards the end) and one token straight male (who created the "he's just not that into you" episode).

by Anonymousreply 5504/07/2021

So, what was the real issue with Hatcher? Was she upset that she was billed as the star of the show and then it became more of an ensemble, because even from the first season, that seemed obvious. It wasn't the Susan show. She got just as much airtime as everyone else, so it's not like she didn't know what she'd signed on for.

And I wonder why Sheryl Lee was let go as Mary Alice after filming the pilot. Was her narration voice not as good as Brenda Strong's?

by Anonymousreply 5604/07/2021

R56 No one's voice is as good as Brenda Strong's.

by Anonymousreply 5704/07/2021

Remember back when the DL gays all thought Felicity Huffman was the smart and cool one?

Ha! At least I've never been to prison.

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by Anonymousreply 5804/07/2021

Teri Hatcher may be a bitch in real life but I always got a kick out of her performances.

by Anonymousreply 5904/07/2021

R56 I think Hatcher is a loner who didn't mix. Even though it was an ensemble, when it debuted Hatcher was billed more as the star as she had been the most famous and this was billed as her comeback.

by Anonymousreply 6004/07/2021

R60 But Teri Hatcher had not really had a hit since 1997. This was 2004. She did Tango & Cash, Lois & Clark, Tomorrow Never Dies (as the first Bond girl), and then nothing. Then she was cast as a divorced middle-aged woman.

by Anonymousreply 6104/07/2021

Wasn't Mary Louise Parker the first choice for Susan? She ended up doing Weeds a few years later which had similar vibes, but was probably a better fit for her.

by Anonymousreply 6204/07/2021

I guess I didn't notice before, but no Edie in the final scene.

The score of this show was always amazing too.

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by Anonymousreply 6304/07/2021

I hated Dana Delaney's character and storylines and laughed out loud when she became a dyke.

by Anonymousreply 6404/07/2021

Pierce Brosnan said Teri was difficult when they made that Bond movie. She sounds like a Borderline case.

Kathryn Joosten said before she died that none of the women interacted with each other onset, that between takes they were playing on their phones and Eva had three. She also slammed Nicollete Sheridan, saying she made the "assault" thing up, was always late to the set, and didn't know her lines.

by Anonymousreply 6504/07/2021

[quote]Let's not forget - all the Real Housewives shows evolved from DH.

Um, no. "The O.C." – a show about affluent SoCal families, with a dual focus on both the kids & parents – isn't even that well remembered, but it spurred the creation of two exceptionally influential reality shows. The first was MTV's "Laguna Beach" – which, importantly, was subtitled "The REAL Orange County." That was in 2004. Then Bravo greenlit RHOC, which premiered 18 months later using the combined popularity of "The O.C." and "Laguna Beach."

The latter, of course, later produced "The Hills," but their combined "shot with a professional production values, not shaky-cam crap" and "literal pre-scripted 'reality' TV with season-long 'storylines' crafted by stars & producers" were then brazenly repurposed for "Keeping Up With The Kardashians." Miss Seacrest really should be paying Fox royalties!

by Anonymousreply 6604/07/2021

Wow, this many posts and no mention of the Andrew-coming-out storyline? I realize it seems tame by modern standards – considering half the new shows premiering on TV seem like they have LGBTQ leads of some sort – but showing a high school boy making out in his pool with the hottie neighbor (Ryan Carnes) circa 2005 (well before marriage equality was the law of the land) was legitimately groundbreaking for network TV at the time. And let's not forget the reason Bree kicked Andrew out: he seduced her sex-addict fiancé just for spite! (and despite him being straight, assuming the "sex addicts will fuck anything with a hole" ethos which may or may not be accurate)

OP, it faded away for the usual reason: the writers ran out of interesting storylines, viewers got bored, and ratings plummeted as a result. Considering TV shows invariably become more expensive to produce, not less – and this particular show had four lead actresses each making north of $400K per episode by the final season – this was basically a given. And I'm sorry, but DH never had the same type of cultural influence as SATC (which did after all spawn two movies – still *extremely* unusual for a TV show), so I wouldn't expect a reboot anytime soon. Disney still owns ABC, of course, and unlike NBC/Peacock they're focusing more on their film brands (especially Marvel & Lucasfilm) for content versus old TV series.

I did, however, watch every episode. (Not sure why I stick with TV shows to the bitter end, but I do even after they devolve into shitfests, as DH definitely did.) And I still remember DataLounge ending up with a mention in EW after the infamous "ABC Insider" posted extremely detailed – but, as we later found out, entirely fake – info stating Marcia would be coming out soon, but also including how the show would also be handling Andrew's coming-out. Literally nothing stated about the show's storylines was accurate, and Marcia of course went on "The View" to deny the lesbian allegations.

by Anonymousreply 6704/07/2021

The Andrew storyline was great. I love how he went from being a terrible little demon to a sweet little cutie by the end.

by Anonymousreply 6804/07/2021

[quote] Pierce Brosnan said Teri was difficult when they made that Bond movie.

from IMDB's trivia page for Tomorrow Never Dies

[quote] Pierce Brosnan and Teri Hatcher feuded briefly during filming, due to her arriving late onto the set one day. The matter was quickly resolved, though, and Brosnan apologized after realizing she was pregnant, and was late for that reason.

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by Anonymousreply 6904/07/2021

I wonder how many times Jesse Metcalfe showed Marc Cherry his hole.

by Anonymousreply 7004/08/2021

I always tried to figure out the net worth each family had.

Carlos and Gaby were the richest, probably about $10 to $20 Million total.

Rex and Bree were a solid $5M in investments and probably like $10M total net worth. Bree definitely was in regular contact with their stockbroker.

Lynnette and Tom probably had about $100,000 net worth. Kids are expensive as hell.

Susan probably had some money when married to Karl but the divorce split it. Karl definitely had money hidden. Susan ended up doing okay though with the book thing.

by Anonymousreply 7104/08/2021

I felt Bree had the most money, after Rex's death she was able to live in that big house, pay bills, host plenty of parties, drink A LOT and have her own life without even showing any worry about getting a job or running out of funds and I always felt when she started her own business it was more to keep herself busy, than about having to earn money.

by Anonymousreply 7204/08/2021

Their money situation varied depending on the storyline.

Carlos had embezzled millions he could not declare in their divorce (the documents for this got destroyed during the tornado). Even when poor after he went blind they never had to sell their house, just Gabi's couture.

Susan was apparently so broke she had to remarry Karl to get health insurance. Then a couple of episodes later when Edie burned her house down and invalidated her home insurance, Susan was apparently such a hotshot kids book ILLUSTRATOR that all she needed to do was take on more work to rebuild her house.

Apparently Lynette and Tom had a NYC penthouse after leaving the lane. In the beginning they were often struggling. And Tom almost ruined them with the pizza parlour.

Katherine became rich with her frozen food business.

Bree said in season 2 that dead Rex was such a good Doctor he left her enough money to sue "the sorry asses" of the police who dared accuse HER of poisoning Rex. She also had that hugely successful catering business and her book deal.

by Anonymousreply 7304/08/2021

Eva Longoria was really the breakout star when this premiered.

by Anonymousreply 7404/08/2021

Eva's movies weren't really that successful during DH. Huffman definitely had the most critical success

by Anonymousreply 7504/08/2021

Eva got the most commercial deals, though, which were worth a lot of money, including a lucrative contract with L'Oreal. From what I read, that REALLY pissed off Teri Hatcher.

by Anonymousreply 7604/08/2021

When Eva turned up as a side character in the Overboard remake, I couldn't help but think how much more entertaining it would have been had she played the Goldie Hawn character. She really is incredibly funny and I hate to see that talent going to waste.

by Anonymousreply 7704/08/2021

Marcia should really have won the Emmy for season 1, Felicity didn't come into her own til later.

Felicity should have then won when she was nominated for season 3 "Bang" - her best episode.

by Anonymousreply 7804/08/2021

The show only started to go sour in season 4. The awkwardness of Lynnette's cancer treatments and hairloss being an excuse for dress-up role play sex was....um....tasteless? As was the bizarre "in what world would this be necessary" plot of Bree faking being pregnant to cover up her daughter's pregancy. Come on. They were acting like it was such a Scandal! but it was only an excuse for more drama and dress-up.

It was also super weird because everyone knew Marcia Cross had just spent the entirety of Season 3 pregnant in real life. She had to hide her belly behind pots and purses for most of the season. But then, when she comes back to her normal size....they whip up this fake baby bump BS storyline? Weird.

The writing got desperate and it showed...but there were still bright spots. Katherine Mayfair was a good addition (until the "lesbianism") and it was fun seeing the Scavo boys all grown up (more or less). I liked Susan with the painter dude, and Bree's catering business with Andrew was cool....

....but crippling Orson was stupid, killing off Edie was lame, Vanessa Williams never fit in, and the plane crash/tornado/terrorist bomb threats were laughable.

People hated the last season because it made no sense for Carlos to kill Gabby's geriatric stepfather when he could have just thrown him out of the house or called 911. It wasn't plausible for him to try to rape her as an adult either. He did it when she was a teen...because he had power over her. I don't think pedos come back once someone gets old enough to stand up for themselves. And then the Ladies covered it up and hid the body...only for Susan to paint a picture of the cover-up for her art class. *eye roll*

DUMB.

by Anonymousreply 7904/08/2021

It's all about writing. The first season or so was adapted from a carefully plotted story Marc Cherry refined for years. After it blew up, Cherry hired other writers, gave them the major plot points, and started working on selling another show Switch/Kill. He had no financial incentive to maintain the good writing on Housewives.

by Anonymousreply 8004/08/2021

I think season 8 had the same problem as season 2, Marc Cherry handled most of the day to day show running roles to other people on those seasons, both strange seasons to do it. Normally a showrunner lasts 4 or 5 seasons before getting bored and taking off and then returns to their old role for the final season, but he pretty much left right after the extremely successful first season and then couldn't be bothered with the final one.

by Anonymousreply 8104/08/2021

[quote]Their money situation varied depending on the storyline.

Yep, and to add a few things here: Susan & Mike had the most money problems – this was one of the reasons they broke up, IIRC during the five-year jump between seasons 4 & 5 – and Carlos's blindness combined with the real-life Great Recession during the fifth season was covered at length in terms of reining in all of their previously lavish expenses (e.g. Aston Martins and the like). I definitely remember a haves-and-have-nots vibe when Bree's cooking business started doing really well, including her showing up one day in a top-of-the-line Lexus sedan while one of the other housewives (maybe Lynette?) had just been forced to downsize to a shitty used minivan or something. Renee OTOH was always depicted as affluent, and renovated Edie's old place to a significant degree.

R73, I think you may have forgotten that Susan not only had to leave Wisteria Lane entirely (and rented out her house while living out of a scuzzy apartment), she also signed up to do some online sex work! (She also inherited a tittie bar from her ex, Karl, IIRC, after he crash-landed into the Lane. She basically segued from being a Carrie to a Samantha!) I can't remember exactly how Tom & Lynette ended up living in a NYC penthouse, but I know both of them had comebacks in their careers near the end – after Lynette had a bunch of tumult working for Carlos earlier on.

by Anonymousreply 8204/08/2021

[Quote] Um, no. "The O.C." – a show about affluent SoCal families, with a dual focus on both the kids & parents – isn't even that well remembered

Isn't well remembered? Are you sure about that??

[Quote] The latter, of course, later produced "The Hills," but their combined "shot with a professional production values, not shaky-cam crap" and "literal pre-scripted 'reality' TV with season-long 'storylines' crafted by stars & producers" were then brazenly repurposed for "Keeping Up With The Kardashians."

There may not have been any shaky cam. But the editing was atrocious.

by Anonymousreply 8304/09/2021

Eventually everything about the show started feeling like Ruth Madoff at a Home Goods store. The best days were over.

by Anonymousreply 8404/10/2021

R83 it wasn't a sex show, just doing the cleaning in her underwear. It led to he being fired from being a teacher's assistant. Then she got fired from the online cleaning gig as she lost many viewers when she bent Iver to hoover and accidentally farted!

by Anonymousreply 8504/11/2021

There's a few reasons.

The noirish dark comedy bits were harder to sustain after the Mary Alice mystery was revealed.

The intense media attention killed cast unity at the end of season one, so it kinda splintered off into about three different shows.

But I think the two biggest factors were things that have been issues at other serialized shows.

One is that when a show gets into a space where it keeps feeding on promotional hype, then that starts to dictate story. Think Dynasty's wedding massacre. Once you've shot everyone in the fucking room, what do you do for an encore? Shoot them AND set them on fire? Scandal had this problem after a while - they went so far over the top that there was no more top to go over.

The other thing is that Marc Cherry did a lot of short term things and some of those ended quite suddenly, with no real impact on the story or characters, After a while, if you are just throwing distractions at the screen and the audience sees that the last four times you did this nothing really changed? Then they no longer get invested or give a shit.

by Anonymousreply 8604/11/2021

I'd forgotten that Shawn Pyfrom and Lee Tergesen's characters had a fling. Damn, that was hot.

by Anonymousreply 8704/11/2021

One thing I hate anymore is tv shows only having one good year in them. DH and Revenge are good examples.

by Anonymousreply 8804/11/2021

I think these days there are a lot more mini-series on air than while Desperate Housewives was still on. I don't know if that has something to do with the rise of digital streaming, or a general shift in taste of entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 8904/11/2021

Shawn Pyfrom was so cute. He always seemed like he'd be a fun fuck.

by Anonymousreply 9004/11/2021

At least Desperate Housewives has the benefit of always being available on streaming. I remember it being one of the first shows Netflix ever offered when they first started up their streaming option. The O.C. has been M.I.A. for years until it was posted to Hulu for a few months a year or two ago and taken down abruptly.

by Anonymousreply 9104/11/2021

Funny scene from Season One.

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by Anonymousreply 9204/11/2021

I always wondered why Edie's nephew Austin disappeared...Bree was raising his child FFS! There was story potential there...did the actor piss off someone?

by Anonymousreply 9304/11/2021

R93 Wasn't he supposedly fucking the actress that played Edie?

by Anonymousreply 9404/12/2021

Now listen here, R94. I won’t have been having any such talk about my beloved grandson. He may have sowed some wild oats in his time, but never would he be wrapped up with women of her kind in that advanced stage of life. Ya hear?

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by Anonymousreply 9504/12/2021

I watched is for Doug Savant hot body and most importantly, his fat ass.

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by Anonymousreply 9604/12/2021

I hated Lynette and Tom's relationship, they brought out the worst in each other.

by Anonymousreply 9704/12/2021

R94 so he was fucking Nicolette and Marc? 🤢

by Anonymousreply 9804/12/2021

Wha...? Who said he fucked Marc?

by Anonymousreply 9904/12/2021

R98 and 99 That was Jesse Metcalfe

by Anonymousreply 10004/12/2021

Seasons 1-4 were really good, and 5-8 were terrible.

by Anonymousreply 10104/12/2021

R98 Maybe that's the real reason behind the court case, found out they were both sharing the same dick and got mad at each other.

by Anonymousreply 10204/12/2021

R99 it was mentioned on another DH thread here. Both Josh and Jesse fucked Marc for a role.

by Anonymousreply 10304/13/2021

And then Josh and Jesse both starred on the Dallas reboot a few years later. They were both hot to death on the show... I wonder if they ever fooled around? Plus there’s Juan Pablo Di Pace who joined in the second season and is equally gorgeous and out/gay. Hmm.

by Anonymousreply 10404/13/2021

I loved that two different male characters were described as being hung.

Tom, and Zach Young.

by Anonymousreply 105Last Thursday at 1:19 PM

R105 There was a hint that Mike was hung as well, I guess that's who Zach inherited it from.

by Anonymousreply 106Last Thursday at 1:52 PM

Mr Solis had a big Mexican pinga

by Anonymousreply 107Last Saturday at 8:35 AM

Mei was Chinese, anything over 4 inches would've been bigger than what she was normally used to.

by Anonymousreply 108Last Saturday at 1:30 PM
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