Have you all forgotten

Oh, so he's the one we're supposed to cancel this week?

How many times are you going to post this?

And aren't you Matt?

1 and who is matt

The YASSS KWEENS love Fauci

I’ve been reading “How To Survive A Plague” and Fauci doesn’t come off too well in that, either, at least so far — he’s often described as paralyzed into inaction because of his fealty to scientific and bureaucratic procedure.

I am bewildered that a career bureaucrat attracts this much love/hate. Yes, he's an expert, but he's also the front man for policies and guidelines that are often muddled, ambiguous and contradictory due to government agencies crafting these policies.

The sad thing is that once Fauci is gone, future leaders are going to be hesitant to tell people the unvarnished truth about outbreaks because of the way the messenger is drawn & quartered for telling people things they don't want to hear

R5 I remember that book well.

The media has turned him into something he is not.

OP, your linked source is AIER? It's libertarian bullshit. And republican bullshit. Take your pick.

You've already tried to push the anti-Fauci thing in other threads. This is just another scripted thread of disinformation from you and your internet troll farm minions.

You don't belong here.

Here's a more interesting article.

What do you think of it, OP?

We had this same exact thread over the weekend. How desperate are you lunatics?

Lol R4.

Good article, OP. I signed up for my vaccine but haven’t been contacted. Maybe that’s a good sign.

That is one right-wing piece of shit website you linked, OP.

R6 Fauci hardly told the unvarnished truth. I’m not a Trump supporter or some right wing troll but the fact that you can’t criticize Fauci without being branded one isn’t healthy. The person in that position should not be above criticism, and there was a lot to criticize and question over the past year. The cult of personality surrounding the guy is disturbing. People lose their minds and their common sense when it comes to him.

You're a troll, OP. Just a troll. Now I block you.

[quote] People lose their minds and their common sense when it comes to him.

R14 Is that because people want to take him as a lover or a doctor?

I completely agree with R14; I didn't mean to imply he told the unvarnished truth, but rather when political leaders were blowing sunshine up our asses, Fauci did try to send a warning (if a contradictory & ambiguous one).

In future when some nerdy bureaucrat has to go before the country & tell a hard truth, I have to think he/she will consider how Fauci has been demonized & threatened. That's not to say that he should be immune from criticism - he was the nearsighted man in the land of the blind - but reactions to him are just off the charts.

The most dangerous place on Earth is between Fauci and a TV camera.

Poor poor Fauci. He is a selfless public servant who basically lives like a monk!

Fauci, Reagan and Bush as well, hate 'em like hell, isn't swell!

Fauci, what a little weasel.

The handling of the AIDS epidemic, which is of course ongoing and no end in sight, couldn't have been much worse; no progress in dealing with AIDS either, which would be much much easier to cure and even exterminate than e.g. cancer, except that highly exhausting medicine cocktail and a bigger acceptance for using condoms. Unsure how trustworthy that guy is and how big his credentials and successes for the people really are; don't know how bad Trump was, but I didn't find Fauci did not fit in well there and that he was such a résistance and what not.

Fauci was never evil when it came to AIDS; he was just a slave to bureaucracy until ACT-UP forced his hand and showed him the obvious—if people are going to die anyway then why not speed the drug process?

I don’t ever find Fauci ever says anything overly dramatic with regards to COVID either—but the right keeps trying to tarnish him for some odd reason.

He’ll just say something benign like “wear your mask,” and the right goes nuts

R19, Fauci is the head of an NIH division and has been in that position a million years, which is why his salary is so high.

And America should be giving that level of salary to the top scientists if we want them to work for the country, not private industry

[quote]Have you all forgotten

No, but I didn’t know either, but I’m glad I do now.

OP

Because the media and the government have worked tirelessly to terrify people about a disease with a 99.6% survival rate and a 99.95% survival rate for anyone under the age of 50. Anyone under 50 who gets a vaccine for this I s a fucking retard.

Fauci is a conman bureaucrat. I hope he burns in hell for the damage he has inflicted upon this country.

Was the re-kindled friendship between Fauci and Kramer genuine? I read Larry Kramer despised Fauci but then they made up. I’m curious if it was genuine.

Fauci has a huge ego. Enormous. During the 1980s, he genuinely was part of the problem.

But he's not stupid. And when he was forced by ACT UP to listen, he listened. And he learned.

He is still to this day a politician. But he has been MUCH better this time around.

R18 understands.

Kill yourself, troll.

r26, it's not just about survival rates. A bigger concern is all the many long-hauler issues that will decrease survivors' length and quality of life and a be a burden on the healthcare system for years to come. No one really talks about that when they discuss the high survival rate.

Fauci said that the virus wouldn’t reach the US. He’s a PR nightmare. That being said, I trust scientists overall and still think Fauci is a poor messenger... but I still think he’s hot.

As I've said in other threads, I like and respect him and science is my guiding light.

But the man has gotten a lot of passes from frightened Americans and some are undeserved, he loves the camera a little too much, and he needs some media training on when to shut the fuck up and how to come up with a coordinated, cohesive message that he, himself, does not contradict in his very next interview.

[quote] Was the re-kindled friendship between Fauci and Kramer genuine? I read Larry Kramer despised Fauci but then they made up. I’m curious if it was genuine.

According to Fauci they never hated each other. Kramer did it for theatrics. He’d call him later and ask how did he do.

[quote]Kramer did it for theatrics. He’d call him later and ask how did he do.

If that’s the case, they’re both annoying.

Fauci and Kramer could be Ryan Murphy's next FEUD.

They are the best we have at this time.

[quote] he’s often described as paralyzed into inaction because of his fealty to scientific and bureaucratic procedure.

You mean he was unable to lift and wave his magic Make It All Better wand as a result? MARY!

Let me explain something to you. Science is all we’ve got when it comes to finding solutions to disease.

[quote]Fauci and Kramer could be Ryan Murphy's next FEUD.

It wouldn’t surprise me, just how people sensationalize and trivialize human life.

Let me explain something to you, Bootsy. The phrase you quoted says "scientific procedure" not science. People with AIDS, a disease with a known 100% fatality rate at that time, were being pushed with Fauci's participation and approval into double blind placebo controlled drug trials. Some got a drug that might help ease their suffering. Others got nothing. And Fauci would not budge. Then, as now, he posed as a physician, but actually worked as a researcher and bureaucrat. He valued traditional procedure over human life and supported standing by and watching half the participants go to their deaths unassisted. Worse than unassisted. They still had to participate in the trial that gave them nothing but the task of ingesting useless pills or powders and burdened them with reporting.

That was the problem with Fauci. He would not budge willingly. He budged only when forced. He valued standard procedure over human life.

1. No one in government, scientist or not, should be above criticism! No one!!! They are servants of the people, not our rulers.

(What's legitimate criticism to one might be ridiculous to another; but that doesn't mean that contrary thoughts and opinions about government and society should be censored. That's a death wish for democracy. It's stupid and incredibly dangerous. Positions of power always change over time. Today's 'top' might be tomorrow's 'bottom;' and not in a good way.)

2. Fauci is not a perfect angel. His conflicting and changing 'mask advice' drives me crazy, and it gives ammo to those who don't want to follow the guidance. He seems to change his 'advice' on the 'sperm-of-the-moment', rather than science, per se.

Having said that, I wear a mask, distance, isolate, etc. I'm not stupid.

But don't tell me that I can't express my thoughts and opinions about whatever I want to. I spent decades in the military protecting that Right, amongst others. So, if you want to censor me, fuck you!

Fauxi and Her Majesty, Queen of Scarves, got me through the early days of the plandemic.

[quote] So, if you want to censor me, fuck you!

And with that you negated all credibility you may have had. No one is trying to stop you from speaking your truth, Mary. Disagreeing with you and refusing to listen to you is not censorship in any way, shape, or form. Grow up.

Yes, thank you for that, R40.

R38, another example was Fauci's refusal in the mid-to-late 1980s to issue interim federal guidance recommending that doctors proactively prescribe a certain antibiotic to their at-risk HIV-positive patients to prevent pneumocystis pneumonia, or PCP, which at the time was the leading cause of AIDS-related deaths.

Fauci based his refusal on lack of data and said a clinical trial would first be necessary, despite the fact that this antibiotic was not a new drug and was already being used for the same purpose—PCP prophylaxis—in immune-compromised transplant patients. A number of private clinicians in big cities like New York were also reporting success using this drug for PCP prevention in HIV-positive patients.

Ostensibly Fauci feared that some people might get hurt if such guidance were issued without more certainty of the drug’s usefulness for this application. But while he was insistent on following procedure to minimize potential risk, actual risk was left unchecked as tens of thousands went on to die of likely avoidable PCP infections.

Also, none of that is to say Fauci is a garbage person now or a hack scientist with bad COVID ideas. Maybe he’s improved, as someone above suggested, and his views on the pandemic do seem to be widely shared among doctors, public health experts, etc.

But you have to admit, seeing him exulted now as a darling of progressives is strange, given his reputation with AIDS activists in the 1980s. And perhaps that history should make us a little more skeptical of his power and influence today.

I’ve certainly wondered what real veterans of the AIDS crisis must be thinking while watching Fauci’s near-deification over the past year.

[quote] Because the media and the government have worked tirelessly to terrify people about a disease with a 99.6% survival rate and a 99.95% survival rate for anyone under the age of 50. Anyone under 50 who gets a vaccine for this I s a fucking retard. Fauci is a conman bureaucrat. I hope he burns in hell for the damage he has inflicted upon this country.

You're a complete moron, R26. 3 million people have died from COVID. Too bad you weren't one of them.

And 4 million from the Hong Kong flu with no lockdowns.

Considering the world population 3 million is not many.

R36 Only if I can play myself.

R48 he does love the spotlight

R47 The real death toll is much higher than 3 million. It could even be as high as 3 times that and has only remained relatively low due to lockdowns and actions taken.

"It COULD be'

meaning it also could not be.

Back to bed chicken little.

R51 Is Donald Trump.

R52 is an idiot.

OP cares so much about "duplicity," he voted for this shitstain twice:

To the asshole at R47, R51, R53 - Please do some heavy breathing beside a COVID patient, and then die a slow, painful death.

The truth is we'll probably never know how many people had it. The daily percentages are only people who've been tested and diagnosed. Can just imagine the number of people who've had asymptomatic illness that flew under the radar and were never tested. Didn't they determine from antibody tests last summer that something like 30% of all New Yorkers had it at some point?

R54 Stop lying. I never voted for him, not even once.

R55 fuck you, as if anyone would

R47 Whilst the worlds's population during the 'Hong Kong' flu which started in 1968 was less than half the population of the world now it really can't be compared to COVID.

Whilst a couple of million people died during the 'Hong Kong' flu (over around a 3 years period) life went on pretty much as normal. Yes, people got really sick but most did not require hospitalisation.

Had life gone on as 'normal' with COVID the death toll would be in the tens of millions. It has only been through lockdowns and restrictions on movement that death rates haven't been anywhere near as bad as they could have been.

R59 being as none of the projections proved true I think you are very wrong.

Believe what you like.

"So, if you want to censor me, fuck you!"

Ahh, yes. Profanity. The absolute identifying retort of someone who knows they are wrong.

Someone who has difficulty gaining the attention of others.

And a true sign of class and intelligence.

Bravo!!

[quote]"So, if you want to censor me, fuck you!"

R61, please learn how quotes and references to previous threads are created on the weirdo DL interface.

It is pointless to denounce someone, even someone deserving of denunciation, when your technical skills are not up to doing the job properly.

You might have delivered a stern rebuke. But, no.

[quote] being as none of the projections proved true I think you are very wrong.

Which projections?

R59 is absolutely right. Modern medicine and science have helped up avoid the ultimate disaster this pandemic could have been. If it weren't for certain idiots and primitives (looks around DL) we would have done a lot better.

Fuck masks! Fuck social distancing! It's all political theater.

You're an ignorant fool, R65.

The China flu has a greater than 99.5% survival rate. For this we mandated masks and social distancing, and destroyed peoples' livelihoods?

Then don’t wear a mask R67, if it upsets you. I see people without masks in places where they’re required.

No, R68. No.

R67 cannot be trusted to behave responsibly. He must wear a mask.

Here's R65 in another thread.

[quote] I am fully vaccinated, but I still wear a mask wherever I go. My friends think I'm nuts, but no one really knows if we vaccinated people can harbor the virus and pass it on to others. Plus, I could still pick up an asymptomatic or mild case, and let's not forget, even non-severe disease and disease not requiring hospitalization can lead to long-hauler symptoms. The mask is staying on till the numbers come down and we get closer to achieving herd immunity.