IS anyone else shocked by how casual DLers are about their trysts with married men?

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Well, I never in all my life!

OP= frau

Married men are the best. Keep that wedding ring on and the family photo next to the bed while I suck you.

OP, you better have your smelling salts ready for this one. I'm fucking my straight married neighbor in my complex. Alpha bro type. Wifey-poo is a nurse who works varied shifts. He comes to my place to fuck, and sometimes we fuck in their bed. Straight married guys make the best fuck buds, and I'm gonna milk this for as long as possible.

is this the return of Helen Prisspot?

R5 - AGREED

0/10, also for those married men fictions from 400-lb EST hippo trolls.

OP is so fat and so naive.

R5 is either delusional or a fabulist. Maybe both.

HOMEWRECKING WHORES!

Never happens!

I blew a guy while he was arguing with his wife over the phone.

Maybe one of the hottest experiences I’ve ever had.

(R5) Your neighbor is not really straight. Hate to break it to you.

I will fuck married guys. Married to women or men. But I won't get socially involved. It keeps the sex hotter. I have kept some married guys as occasional fuck buddies for 2 decades.

r8 Keep telling yourself that, Frau. I lost my virginity to a married bodybuilder, and I still have the pics (below's an example). Sex with married men is an extremely common occurrence among gay men. Every now and then we all hear on the news of, for example, married politicians or clergy members who were outed after being found in bed with a man, or at least for trawling through Grindr to find a guy. It happens, and you have no excuse to doubt it -- except for that little fear in the back of your head that your hubby could be doing that to you.

I will take the 5th ( and the 6th, 7th and 8th married man )

(4) Very true. At the grocery store the wife always is very friendly towards me, and I never inquire about her husband. I'll see him later. I dropped one married guy, he told his best friend (?) about us and his friend said "lucky him" meaning me. I see something in that relationship. Plus I'm a good listener, and married men have a lot they want to relate..

Aren’t 95% of us in open relationships and 80% of us post about it on our onlyfans?

But it's wrong!

[italic]Shockingly[/italic] wrong!

I, for one, will beat the shit out of any little slut that fucks with a married man.

Big STD carriers

R5, it's cute that you think genuinely straight men are looking to hook up with guys. They're not

IDK - I had a married East Indian guy coming over to my place on the weekends and it was great, except I kept picturing opening the door and having his wife or grown son throwing a bucket of acid on me, as they do in their culture. I called it off.

Most guys are a little gay! They like pleasure period. They know guys give better head but are scared to get caught.

I knew a woman who found out her husband was fucking someone on the side. She researched the other woman, then used that information to stalk, harass, and destroy the woman’s life. R5 is playing a dangerous game.

Mother and I are quite shocked. We will pray for all you sinners, and I will pray a little bit more later, when I'm alone.

I think it depends on the guy, but at the end of the day you aren't in that marriage contract. I find it shitty but married men can be hot because there is frankly more of then over a certain age then there are gay men.

I just kept hoping that my married guy had bleached his dick before coming over. Did NOT want to taste anything pussy.

My eldergay always said, If i didn't do it someone else would, so he did it, a lot. Women, men, pregnant women he did not discriminate, in their marital beds too. He was a whore. He's old and wore out now.

gross, r29, you need to be more considerate of others. It is Christian to be considerate, you know.

r5 I don't think your buddy is straight-straight. Sounds like a closetcase to me.

I’m not sure what universe most people are living in. The world isn’t black and white, str8 or gay. I know that’s the construct but it isn’t the reality. People have sex with all different kinds of people, for all different kinds of reasons. And you can be mostly into women, be married and still fuck around with guys. Within the above mentioned construct, a lot of these men are straight.

I’ve fucked around with married guys. One in particular I’ve known for years. When I was not as enlightened as I am now, I thought he was a closet case. But he is not. He’s not turned on by men, he doesn’t fantasize about being with them. He personally is sexually turned on by being used. And the way a man uses another man is a much different energy than a woman. A lot of straight men who fall on the “some of them want to be used by you” Eurythmics spectrum get off on being completely objectified, used, fucked. They want to be taken by another human being with as little emotion or connection as possible. They want to be violated. Sex is energy. And the energy it takes being a gay man makes you stronger and more mentally confident than a good number of straight men who feel like betas.

And as far as married men are concerned, top or bottom, a gay fuckbuddy is the best. It’s ALL about sex. You don’t have to worry about a pregnancy. You don’t have to worry about jealousy. Most married men aren’t getting laid so even an unfortunate STD you can hide. Even AIDS is manageable and can be brought down to non-transmittable levels. Fuck a woman more than four times and they’re gonna wanna know, “who are we?” You don’t even have to buy one drink to get an amazing blowjob. Again it’s all about the fucking, the sucking, the release. And it can go on for years exactly like that, no judgements. Because sex can be a sport, or hobby for most men. And we get to decide if and when we want to add love to the mix. And married men are OH SO appreciative and shoot the biggest loads from all that pent up frustration.

Actually if I was a married modern woman, I’d hand pick the gay dude who’d be willing to suck my husband off, just for a release when he needed it Instead of him finding another woman to fuck around with who he might end up knocking up.

And how did that work out for you, the second Mrs. Jim McGreevey R33?

R34. I got the house...

Who cares about the dumb bitch wife?

**I** do

Who cares about dumb bitch OP?

This has probably nothing to do with the subject but anyways: In front of my office is a short-time hotel of sorts. Just this morning a white car parked in front was heavily splashed with black paint. My friend thinks it was the work of a jealous girlfriend because a jealous wife wouldn't damage family property.

R15 one freak accident in your fucked up life doesn't account to an extremely "common occurrence." You should educate yourself more on the science of statistics as you sound unlearned.

I would like to remind everyone that there are children as young as 11 existing in our cyberspace. Please think of the children.

[quote] IS anyone else shocked by how casual DLers are about their trysts with married men?

Is anyone else shocked about by the hetero troll who stalks DL and tries to perpetuate stereotypes of gay men?

If you've ever had a one night stand or just a tryst in a bath house, you've probably fucked a married man.

Shut up frau cunt

It turns me on fucking married men. I’m not ashamed and I’m not doing anything wrong.

R43 **Gasp** You see R42? It is not just stereotypes!

Married men are the most passionate lovers. Probably because their wives are so cold and hateful.

The problem in the whole scenario is the wife, so she has only herself to blame.

Please note that I am, however, adamantly against a slut stealing the husband of another woman.

Most of DL is fanfic. One poster even copied and pasted an episode summary from a television show in a “is depression genetic” type thread. I googled what they posted and it took me to IMDB—they copied it word for word and made it their own. Completely and utterly bizarre. I asked them why they did that. No response of course.

Good grief, while much of DL may be fanfic, it is hardly unusual for married men to fool around with other guys. Sites like Adam4Adam and Squirt (that don't require an app to access) are full of publicy straight men looking for NSA hookups.

[quote] Sites like Adam4Adam and Squirt (that don't require an app to access) are full of publicy straight men looking for NSA hookups.

Don't forget Tinder, R50. Married also cheat with women.

[quote] Big STD carriers

They are the safest sex because of wifey waiting back home.

R5 - you think she doesn't know? In this day and age? FFS Freddie Mercury's fiancée knew EXACTLY why his "friend" was always with him in 1975....this is 2021.

Also, I think about 50% who say they are screwing married men are no better or more honest than married straight men who brag to their pals about how many "chicks" they get "on the side". C'mon.

[quote] you think she doesn't know? In this day and age? FFS Freddie Mercury's fiancée knew EXACTLY why his "friend" was always with him in 1975....this is 2021.

^this.

Men who are exclusively attracted to women and act only upon that attraction are unmistakable to women. Hetero males can be seen from space.

Furthermore, when it comes to women, if "their" man is attracted to other men and/or women and is acting upon that, that woman knows. She has either come to terms with it because of other things that she benefits from with regard to the marriage or partnership that outweigh his straying so she'll put up with it, or she doesn't care.

It still surprises me that the notion of the fairy-tale monogamous marriage is still the false standard lots of people use to judge these situations, when the reality is different -legal marriage is, when you boil it down , a cold contract that the parties can fill with the terms they agree to.

and if one party concludes that not being monogamous is a breach of the contract, then get a fucking divorce.

R43 is right. I have without doubt had sex with a fair few married guys this way.

I dont go looking for them, but hey, if its offered up I aint sayin no!

Given that my type is the fey and effeminate I'm probably a bit less guilty of trysts with married men than average - not innocent, not be a country mile, but just a bit less guilty if that there make OP feel gooder

Guys ont he download are hot and insatiable sluts.

OP, you troll with all your self-rewarded WWs, the only married men I don't have in my life are non-closeted gay men.

So-called straight married men trapped in a bond with a woman whose greasy, nasty hole is treated like the heaven he must beg for?

I call it [bold]liberty, fraternity and equality.

Piss off.

[/bold]Amen.

These threads always remind me of the guy who bragged about fucking married men in the dressing rooms at a department store, who went into meltdown when someone said they were gay and single but wore a wedding ring to make guys think they were straight, because they saw more action that way.

I specifically get harder when watching my Gloryhole porn videos if I see the guy reach around with a wedding ring. He is putting it all on the line just for that good nut. That kind of blind determination is what animalistic sex is all about. He's so horny, his only focus is his hard raging cock over all else.

Boy, if you men only knew...

What great timing OP. I was in the airport and got hit up by a discrete profile on Grindr. The guy instantly sent me photos. I would have said hello in person since we were a gate or two apart, but i had to board the plane.

He instantly sends me his cell phone number and asks me to text him to get off of Grindr. Not 10 min later he’s telling me about his kids and their next family trip. He dropped that he’s married and his wife won’t be on the trip. It’s near my city he suggested we “hangout” sometime during the trip.

I’m horny and hot dick is hot dick. We’ve been text the past two days. Got enough info on his name and job to find him online. He has a YouTube channel with very low viewership. Only family must watch. Anyway, it’s been a lot harder to get excited after seeing his wife and kids. Then again, young dad’s can be hot. Then I look at his wife and feel dirty.

I don’t have a hard or fast rule about married men, but if you don’t feel a thing after seeing the wife then you have to be heartless. I don’t know what will happen between us. He’s shown my his cock. It’s beautiful but I’m also feeling guilty.

I need to just find a gay guy and get passed this rut.

P.S his videos are so cringy. His children are good sports but over all I can tell they only do the videos for him. Hilariously bad videos.

A wedding band doesn't mean "Stop!" but "Proceed with caution".

I'll tell you a story about one of my hot adventures surrounding this. It's a bit kinky and off the beaten path. I too am married, to a man. But men don't see sex the same way women do, or the way women make men see sex. We don't have an open relationship, but if I do something I know it's not gonna be the end of us. And every once in a while we'll check in or share stories from something we did a long time ago.

Anyway I bought this fuckdoll, lower torso part, from amazon, inspired by videos on I saw on pornhub. I love to watch. It's a way for me to do something sexual, without having sex. I specifically got it to watch straight guys fuck it. This one guy responded to an ad I placed about it. Usually the guys are kinda gross. But he seemed cute enough. He said he'd be coming over at lunchtime from work. He was a former jock-ish, frat boy type now in his early 30s, in some financial field. When I looked him up online, because he texted me, I saw his Facebook with his very cute blond wife. I saw their wedding photos and very recent baby registry. The woman had just had a kid. He didn't even say he was married but pretended he was single.

But when he came through the door, my jaw dropped. He was way outta any league I could think I could belong to. Tall, handsome, in a suit, bit sweaty from rushing from work. I was sure he was gonna be nervous and not be into it. But he was sweet and affable and out of his suit in like 30 seconds. He liked being naked. He was more comfortable in this moment in my own house than I was. I was afraid to breathe for fear he'd disappear. He got right to the toy and whatever porn he wanted to on the iPad and started pounding away buck naked. It was so hot. I kinda stood in the corner, again for fear of some kind of gay panic. But he was super cool and very horny. I did do a secret like seven second video of it for fear I wouldn't believe myself even after. And he busted the biggest nut on it I'd ever seen. Almost gross in proportion. But damn. And he didn't jump up and leave. He lingered naked a bit, chatted. Jumped in the shower, toweled off. I finally made some comment about how he had no tan lines, even though he was very tan. And he flexed his bicep, and pointed out a very faint tan line I missed - but yeah, "I like tanning in the nude." He got dressed, thanked me for the stress release. And then he was off.

Not saying the wife and kids made it hotter. But I certainly didn't care. I look at this way. These men love their wives, love their kids. I understand the need to JUST get off. And that sometimes you want to just get off without it meaning anything over than that. It's not a negation, or a promise, or an avowal of love, or a chore, as most wives end up turning sex into. It's just a nut. And when it's over, I mean nothing more to him than he meant to me. Women don't get that. Sometimes men JUST need to get off in a very selfish way, and they are tired of jacking off to do it. And these little dalliances tend to make them better husbands because they aren't pent up or filled resentment about what they are not getting. Resentment will make you end up hating someone.

R62 you should not have " hangout" with him, it is not christian you know.

"It's not a negation" should be Negotiation

OP, why are you surprised? DL'ers are unabashed homeworkers. Married dick is the most coveted around here.

Men like to hunt, period. They don't want what is easy. The harder and more impossible the bigger the ego boots when you achieve it.

[quote] DL'ers are unabashed homeworkers.

Blame COVID-19.

[quote]I don’t have a hard or fast rule about married men, [bold]but if you don’t feel a thing after seeing the wife then you have to be heartless[/bold]. I don’t know what will happen between us. He’s shown my his cock. It’s beautiful but I’m also feeling guilty.

You're talking out your ass R61. I had a fuckbuddy for years who eventually got married in 95 and is still married to the same woman. We met at work in 85 and became best friends first then became fuckbuddies. He was almost always in a relationship with a woman the entire time I knew him and I didn't care, I met a couple of them. I was fucking him when he met his wife, during the dating/engagement period and I went to their wedding. I didn't see him for a while after they got married and we started up again after he got her pregnant. He told me he didn't have sex with her a lot after she got pregnant because it freaked him out so he came over more frequently. We lost touch about ten years ago.

Why should I have to feel guilty? Only a woman would say that and your post confirms you're a frau cunt. Only a woman feels that there should be guilt.

There will come a time when married men have male lovers openly. Sooner than we think.

[quote] There will come a time when married men have male lovers openly.

Yes, inevitably men will be with other men for conversation, companionship and intimacy, and relationships with females will be relegated to domestic tasks and breeding purposes. It will allow men to progress from the impediment of married life.

Married men make up about half of every gay sex app.

R71 as long as nest and children's care are assured, women will come around to accept their husbands male lovers. Most will be relieved.

Do they still haunt the parks? (NSFW)

That’s ^^ so hot.

One of my go to porn sites is str8ongay . There are a stupid ads everywhere but I see videos I don’t see anywhere else. Type in “married”

[quote] but anyways

JFC

[quote] Then again, young dad’s can be hot.

Oh, dear!

Who told you to add an apostrophe to make a plural?!

OP one day it will be the norm as it is in many countries in the non western world.

You live in the dark, boy, I cannot pretend I'm not fazed - only here to sin If Eve ain't in your garden, you know that you can Call me when you want Call me when you need Call me in the morning I'll be on the way

fraus are so predictable

At first some are hesitant, other's know exactly want they want. and then there are the one's that can't wait until it's over and get away, as one said to me "how long is this going to take" to which I replied "it will never happen" and left. Oh, the moaning and the "Jeeeezzz"

[quote] other's know exactly want they want. and then there are the one's that can't wait

JFC.

SMH.

I get the married dick is hot dick shit, but why the need to call the wives names...point to the doll and show us where the bad lady hurt you.

Trysts, OP?

What are we in the 1950s?

I popped the cherry on a couple of them.

Not about their trysts with married men. More so about how many loads they claim to have taken in a single night/weekend. That's just nasty.

R86 Wait no, this is not an achievement show off thread. Please Stop, 'cause It can be traumatizing to certain DLers.

In many of the cases the wives seem awful. One of my fuck buddies slept over and his bitch of a wife was continuously calling and texting him starting at 5 am.

R89 Poor Woman

She was an unsupportive slut with an aged face

Yes, R89, all their wives are obviously horrible fridged shrews that give their poor long-suffering husbands no choice but to hook up with random cumdumps they find online, how do you find it in your heart to help so many?

I’ve been partnered for 18 years and I’m That guy that fucks your husband. Can’t help it if you’re not satisfying him, I’m always hard and ready to fuck.

R93 that comment made me feel very uncomfortable. I hope you feel it

Haters gonna hate.

I once hooked up with a married guy who said his wife refused to have sex with him because of arthritis. Could you imagine?

R93 Is the town poofter.

Shocked? Uholy dalliances? a taken man ? uncomfortable topic? unpleasantness? Oh Dear God OP have you EVER had sex with a man? It's just sex/ Who knows if a guy is married or not?. If he says he is, ok. It's just other guy wanting dick. No big deal. Every man I fuck with is NOT a prospective mate,

Go out to your local rest area or gay hook-up spot. Guys are cruising. Singles. Married. Who cares?

I don't believe that the OP got 12 bona fide wit and wisdoms, unless they were meant ironically

Jack Nasty!

A married Colombian super fucks me sometimes in his basement office. He is married with two kids. his wife won't get fucked in the ass (his favorite) or suck his dick (his second favorite) much. Also she is "loose now."

He won't kiss, but he is sweet in other ways. He is surprisingly cut, about 8.5 and thick. I'm not into poppers but I have to with him. I can't get it in easily otherwise. FWIW i have a girly face and ass and he never touches my front junk.

R102 I had a married fuck buddy who wouldn’t kiss either.

[quote] horrible fridged shrews

Like Amanas? Or Frigidaires?

Take your pick R104 maybe you can find a sale at Home Depot.

r74 tyler durden, married to a woman who's well aware of his excursions and occasionally participates, (openly) bi

I live in a smaller southern city where the majority of professional gay men are still married to woman and have children. Until 20 years ago, they could lead a double life with a gay friend from the 'gay' side of town without having it mix with their straight country club family side. Of course, thats changed now and the two worlds collide more often.

I had a brief affair with a banker who was always ready to fuck me despite having a wife and three sons at home. I knew him from business connections and I refused to believe he was gay or even bi. I made a phone call and to my surprise, I soon had this beautiful man whenever I wanted him. Eventually, I ended it because I realized that when his wife found out, I would be the one who was labeled the 'fag' who ruined a marriage. She did eventually catch him but somehow they stayed together.

I work out with his wife at our club gym now as if nothing ever happened.

I had a hookup situation like that with a guy that sadly hasn’t even touched his wife in a decade. He claims it’s because she refuses. I think it’s because he’s given up. He has two grown sons, 18 and 22. I joke around with him that I’d fuck either one of his kids. I’m in my 20s so it’s not that creepy. He tries to redirect the conversation but gets super proud when I call his boys handsome. Men are funny with their offspring.

Anyway, I got him to fuck me in his older son’s room one weekend while the wife was away. But when I called him daddy he got soft so I now know his limits.

OP, I share your surprise. I'm a guy, fwiw.

There are a lot of hot stories here.....but also some bullshit.

I do get horny and "just want a nut" too sometimes...but I have feelings. I prefer to be intimate with someone I trust and who I feel likes me, the person. I don't have sex with whoever. And I don't welcome the notion of someone using me.

Who came up with this BS idea that sex for women is all about feelings and promises, etc....but men don't give a fuck? SURE they do. We get our hopes up and hearts broken. We get jealous and possessive.

(I just watched The Talented Mr Ripley last night....)

As for you proud homewreckers out there, did you ever see the heartbreak in your mother's eyes when she knew your father cheated? Do you understand how much these married dudes are screwing up their spouse's lives and their children? Infidelity wrecks so many lives. Let's stop pretending it doesn't "just because we're gay and that means we have to play by our own rules". Come on.

Hot sex is hot sex, sure....and I get that after 30, the number of potential m/m hookup partners goes waaay down because so many guys marry off...

...but why encourage a culture of guys being deceitful? Why pretend its not about you? Would you buy obviously stolen goods?

And is a guy who treats you like a whore and has no resoect for you or his wife suxh a terrific catch?? He's likely a narcissistic gaslighter. "No honey - I TOLD you I just went out to get gas! Stop being paranoid!"

You think it's hot to screw on soneone else's bed with pictures of their kids on the nightstand....? That's fucking creepy as hell to me. You enjoy hurting people? Its hot to think someone might flip out if they knew what you were doing with their husband?

And yes, some wives will come after you big-time. Or the kids will come after you. Or the husband, once his cheating is revealed, will get crazy guilty/religious/homophobic and want to destroy you for being the "temptation" or whatever. Do you not watch crime shows?

But sure, sure...let's just chalk this all up to the misogynistic ideas that "sex isn't so complicated between dudes" and "women are frigid". These guys who think that because their wife "doesn't put out anymore" they're entitled to cheat. Here's a thought - maybe you treat your wife like crap, dude. Maybe you put zero effort into sex or communication.

Luckily for you, Mr Deadbeat....there are thousands of gay dudes out there desperate for your load, just because you wear a wedding band!

A few months ago, I was chatting with a guy who seemed really cool and was married...and I thought we could meet up. He wanted to. And I told myself the same shit I read here all the time - "it's not my marriage, so I don't have to protect it" / "I'm horny and this could be hot, who cares about the rest" - but my gut knew the truth. Especially once he told me how the wife had just given birth and they had several kids. She carried his babies, FFS, and delivered them because HE COMMITTED TO HER. She trusts him.

...but because I want a hot nut, let's both sneak around her back and lie to her....so she can figure it out and become depressed/angry/suidical/etc. That's real nice.

I tried not to think about the lies he would tell just to hook up with me. How he might have to explain the smell of my cum on his breath or why he missed dinner, whatever.

Married people are not blind. They're constantly paranoid about missing the signs. I knew I didn't want to play games and feed into someone's worst fear. I'd like to think I could find better. So I called it off and jerked off instead.

Marriage is weird, monogamy isn't for most guys and I'm sure messing around with married horndogs CAN be hot....but once you've seen someone get cheated on, and stay in that marriage out of principal but feel worthless and unloved....its hard or impossible to justify getting with married dudes.

Maybe I'm the fool, though, for not taking everything offered.

Find a sane, single person. They're out there.

[quote] professional gay men are still married to woman

Oh, that poor, lone woman.

Is she the town slut?

R109, take it to Dr. Phil...

I'm married to a guy, and wear a wedding ring. When I'm out of town and go on Grindr, I play straight, married and get some amazingly hot guys. They all want me to keep the ring on. It's great fantasy.

I don't see how this is constructive to our conversation R112

I may try that as well r112. See if I can get a cheap ring.

R112 are they hot bottoms or hot tops?

I will take a married guy over a "gay" guy any day, so much better in bed.

Yup, and the hey lack the drama other guys have. Plus, the paranoia about being discreet makes the first encounter so exiting. Like reeling in a fish.

There's nothing hotter than two married guys going at it, and then silently dressing and leaving with no words.

R118 even hotter when they are in those post college days. Wife’s at home pregnant, the guys is still a young bill that hasn’t lost their looks and still want attention. 23-30 are the golden age for married men. Then those 40 year olds who know exactly what they want and how to get it.

To me its an absolute sign of stupidity and small-mindedness when someone equates sex with marriage, and assumes that monogamy must be a primary value. It's just stupid, and I find its usually most fervently maintained by really screwed up people.

R115 they bottom for me.

There is no reason to feel any amount of guilt or hesitancy for sleeping with a married man. You didn't take any vows to anyone, you didn't promise to be faithful to anyone. He did. You don't owe his wife/husband/family anything. You let him deal with all of that and you keep doing what makes you feel good. Life's to short.

[quote] Most married men aren’t getting laid so even an unfortunate STD you can hide. Even AIDS is manageable and can be brought down to non-transmittable levels.

This is extremely irresponsible.

[quote] Life's to short.

So short you didn’t have time for that extra O.

R109 is a straight woman, nibby nosing on this site. No gay guy would ever write something like that.

You actually read that thesis, r125?

I didn’t have time for the whole screed.

[quote] They are the safest sex because of wifey waiting back home.

What latent STDs is the gay guy bringing into the mix?

HPV for sure

R125

Why am I not surprised.

I even said I was male at the start of my post because I knew some of you would would scream "frau!!"

....because having feelings or compassion or guilt or a moral code? Pffft! That's only for women, right?

Not only are you misogynistic....but you give gay men a bad rep.

We're not all selfish, self-loathing creeps who want nothing else in life than validation from so-called "Straights".

R116 ....what you are really saying is that you never want a partner who loves you.

It would be nice to discuss this whole subject without it turning into a Pro Cumdump Philosophy sermon.

North America isn't some Muslim state where gay guys HAVE to marry and lie and hide who they are...

....but here y'all are, acting like married dick is best...and being with a liar and cheat is better than being with someone who honestly, openly likes you.

...healthy!

[quote] Like Amanas?

Is Amana still in production?

Isn’t that what this thread is about?

A married Amana?

[quote]I even said I was male at the start of my post because I knew some of you would would scream "frau!!"

It’s pretty clear you’re lying.

R132

LOL

How about I slip on a wedding ring and then you can come over and blow me sometime?

"Women are so awful they even come to DL to pretend to be us! And then they talk about FEELINGS! Which we don't have! Hurry - lets try and seduce their husbands in retaliation!!"

Get help.

r133, you got caught lying.

R129, you got caught lying yourself. You're a hetero woman lurking this site. You obviously assume gay men are all STD ridden whores. If you caught HPV, it was probably from a dancer named "Cinnamon" or "Candy" that your dear husband enjoys once in a while.

r129

r133

Here on datalounge were proudly down with OPP

It's a sign of the times.

DataLounge is not what it used to be.

Data lounge was always full of whore fat and otherwise.

I've noted this before on other DL threads, but many of those "married straight" guys are, in reality, out gay man pulling a fast one.

When I was in my 20s, my friends and I quickly figured out that billing yourself as "bi" or "curious" or 'straight" on an app got you more and better looking guys.

And I definitely had friends who ran with that, telling people they were married to a woman--a few even had fake wedding rings. They were pulling in guys way out of their usual range as a result

No. Been there myself. I know they're pretending (or telling themselves) they're having more fun than they really are.

In the late 90s, I had an apartment in San Francisco for work I stayed in a week per month, and became friendly with one of the security guys. After hubby and I moved there full time we sold and bought a bigger place a block away. One evening I was out for a walk and bumped into security dude and started chatting. He was just off work and so I asked if he wanted to get a drink. We couldn't decide where to go, so we went back to my place (hubby was on the other coast, but not a problem as I'll explain). I knew he was married and had two kids plus one on the way. He complained about the wife not wanting any sex, so I offered and he accepted. Nice, thick 9 inches that he knew how to use. He told me he likes fucking guys because they can take his dick, alluding that his wife could not, leaving him wanting.

I told all this to Hubby, who was turned on by it (we were open then, but that's another story) and suggested we invite him back. We saw him on a pretty regular basis, sometimes separately, for well over a year. The wife dropped that kid and was pregnant again within the year. He eventually got a much better job in LA and moved down there. The only thing that weirded me out was when in the afterglow engaging in pillow talk, has asked me what I'd name the next kid, and then I found out that's what they'd named him.

Homewrecking whores have no conscious R109, so there's nothing to reach.

R143 Honey, I think he was just stumped and could not think of a nice name with his straight brain (after so many children!!).

I think one of the beautiful things about sex only relationships is that you get to meet and interact with people you would otherwise never meet. It’s cool meeting people who I don’t have much in common with and I think we can all learn from each other.

And you are free to do so with UNMARRIED men, dear R146.

R144 and others - thanks for the backup.

Was starting to feel like having integrity had made me a DL outcast.

R143 - do you have the link to the longer version of that on NIFTY?

R142 - Thats my guess as well.

I think it’s mostly straight guys from the US, South America and the Middle East who are into this. This is definitely not a thing that happens in Western European countries. Ask any expatriate living there. In Western Europe straight men are very cliquey and often indifferent or even hostile towards men who are not part of their inner circle.

R144 is a fucking retard CUNT.

[quote]have no conscious

Fucking retard cunt.

R148=CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT

R151 has clearly never been to Western Europe.

Go on Grindr in Berlin and at any time 50% of the men will be married looking for something and not married to men, though those exist as well.

Married men cheating on their wives is a universal truth. Male on Male intimacy is also a universal truth. Very often those two factors come together the world over. Women may not want to think about this but it’s very common.

[quote] Data lounge was always full of whore fat and otherwise.

What exactly is whore fat?

You can fuck off R152, I hope the next married man you sleep with has a psychotic break afterward and beats your diseased ass to death.

You sound nice.

I am R158, just not too bitchy whores who like to throw around the word retarded.

[quote] just not too bitchy whores

Oh, dear!

Before COVID if I was working late and horny I’d walk north from my job in the Loop (Chicago) towards River North, but turn on Grindr before I left my office. On weekdays I could pull some hot often “married” guys staying in those hotels on business trips. Guaranteed offers before I’d hit the train most nights.

The best part was that it was also an international buffet. My favorite married guys were from Ireland, Australia, Dallas, and Spain. Was it wrong? Yes. Was it fun? Yup.

I prefer to a avoid personal questions outside of the normal STD question. Of course if they lie to their partner then they could easily lie to a stranger like me. But that’s the rule with all hookups. Hot times though!

There’s probably more married men gay sex in the world than sex between single gay men.

You should be more shocked by married men having trysts outside the "sanctity' of their blessed and legally declared unions

Heavens!

R157 Don't do that, dear. This is a place of sharing and understanding. NO need to use traumatic words. I am officially triggered from reading it.

I'm quite taken aback by OP's naivety and gullibility instead. Do you really believe the lies about rendezvous with married men these old fat incels keep telling? Oh, please.

R166=CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT

Were you R165? Well, I was "triggered" as someone with a family member who has Down's Syndrome by the rancid cunt R52 throw that particular word around.

Sorry, I meant at R152.

Married men make up 75% of my gentleman callers. 5% are single men. 20% are my rent menz.

LOL!

Well the fantasy is hot....but spending years seeking out guys who can never/will never be there for you or even acknowledge you in public? Kinda sad.

At least the "dumb wife" has a marriage and someone to watch her back, theoretically.

You can pass right by a lot of great people chasing only the "hot" and "forbidden ones". They usually end up being egomaniacs anyway.

[quote]Well the fantasy is hot....but spending years seeking out guys who can never/will never be there for you or even acknowledge you in public? Kinda sad.

Why would you think we want or need that, CUNT R171?

I know, because you're a stupid CUNT.

R161 I fail to see how post like this help to steer the thread's durection in anyway.

r171 I personally don't seek them out like some sport, but if I'm horny I'm using their body just as much as they are using mine. I get off and leave. It's that simple. Everything else they get up to is not my concern.

R172 isnt there medication you could be taking for your Tourette's Syndrome?

It always amazes me how some DL posters have straight guys built up in their minds. In reality most of their wives are unsatisfied because they are lazy lovers, don't keep their genital and anal areas very clean, and act like big babies.

Yeah I have to admit straight guys are pretty stupid and I can’t really make sense of how they view the world. They seem to enjoy making decisions which leave them miserable. They’re fun to fool around with but I don’t think I’d want to be tied to one for life. They’re weak.

For all of you concern queens.

R175 isnt there medication you could be taking for your being such a CUNT?

Thank you for noticing my Charisma, Uniqueness, Nerve and Talent ;) Now, sashay away....

You're not gonna win this one, CUNT R180.

Eat shit and die in a grease fire, CUNT.

CUNT R180 at the link.

I don't seek them out, I am in my 40's masc, good looking and they know I can be had. Not interested in hearing about how frustrated they are etc, I'm not an AGONY AUNT.

R173 illiterate thread police.

As if straight women don't frequently have trysts with other married men? Please, that's the plotlines of every god damned soap opera!

Sounds like OP is insecure that her hubby might be a little bi.

In the good old days of gay AOL chat rooms, they would come looking for us - not the other way around.

What I failed to mention @R143 was that I can't see why anyone would be shocked that men have sex outside their marriages. Or that anyone should look down on anyone who does (because they're going to find themselves so high on a pedestal that no one will be able to see or hear them).

One of the great things about being gay is the sex. You think men don't like great sex just because they're married? And one of the best parts of fucking a "straight" married guy is that he's not going to get attached. There's a certain amount of comfort knowing that. And if you're looking for attachment, fucking a straight married guy is the epitome of looking in all the wrong places.

R185 WHORES! The lot of you, even on this holiest of days? WHOREs!

Proudly so, R186.

I enjoyed hooking up with married guys but I noticed a pattern. They all wanted to be fucked, many had scenarios they had to play through, and there often was a change in mood once they got off, with reciprocity being "forgotten." But I like sex and I like daddies and the conflicted vibe of younger married guys so I decided to monetize my gifts. Ka-Ching! I can deal with disappointments now because I am a professional, and they can have the pleasure of knowing that if they're cheating at least it is with a whore. Although my branding is somewhat more elegant than that.

A lot of internationals, as someone else posted about Chicago. (I'm elsewhere.) I don't have favorite types but I do like a man who knows what he wants but is a little too backward to ask for it. I also work to expand their experience. Most "friends" are polite, unashamed and respectful. But I don't see visiting Russians or visiting Chinese, as the former are pushy and creepy and the latter feel like they're dealing with a data theft.

My sense of things all along is that when it comes to sex, I am not obliged to maintain someone else's fantasy-vow with a spouse, as I do not recognize the legal claims of marriage as ownership of a "loved one's" body parts. A few of the men I know say they're in open relationships. Fine. A few say they are discreet and wouldn't ever want to hurt their spouses. Fine. But most do not blab about their lives outside of present priorities.

The moralists here have perverted values. At best they're naive, and at worst they're just the same conniving, dishonest snakes who spout homophobia while trying to find a cheap blowjob in a park in three towns over.

[quote] WHORES! The lot of you, even on this holiest of days? WHOREs!

Not me.

I’m a slut. A whore charges.

Sluts that get off on the idea of wrecking a marriage or a relationship are shitbags no matter what they've got between their legs.

That’s the delusion of the wife, that her marriage isn’t already a sham. She wants to blame the guy who nobly provides some fleeting moments of comfort to the husband trapped in that relationship. She would rather her husband suffer being with her. The wife is the villain and the gay guy is the good guy.

R129 doesn’t fuck married men but he does do huge rails of Coke. I know the signs sweetie. Between the biblical length passages and the aggression in your posts.

I always got off on these gloryhole videos when two married guys show up.

[quote] Sluts that get off on the idea of wrecking a marriage or a relationship are shitbags no matter what they've got between their legs.

We swore an allegiance to no one. Your man did. Don’t blame us if he’s getting off somewhere else (and, trust us, he is). Look in the mirror.

R191 ...?

Rationalizing much?

So all marriages are a trap...?

Woman think they can get away with so much just because they have a pussy. They desperately want to get married and have kids. They use sex as leverage to get what they want from their husband. They have the very kids they so wanted then lament over their destroyed bodies from said kids and demand that their husbands be true to them like it was the husbands sole idea to have children. I think woman want a husband and kids more than they want the actual man himself. Trust me ladies, your man isn’t dumb. He can sense that you didn’t much really care for him in the first place.

R192

HahahahHa! Boy are you off base :) Never touched drugs.

Its interesting how nasty people here have been in response to criticism of their preferences.

I guess if you say targeting married dudes is the way to go...I should just agree? No conversation?

Its a rude awakening when a woman realizes her pussy is no longer enough to keep her man in line. If you didn’t use it as a form of tender in the first place, you wouldn’t find yourself being traded like a currency later.

So I guess the argument being presented here is that monogamy is a sham....no one is in a marriage because they're actually willing to commit to one person....and therefore we're all justified in boning married dudes...

I suppose anyone exerting self control in any way is also similarly in denial?

I don't think monogamy is a sham, I just don't think it's realistic. I think for many people monogamy equals laziness. They just don't want to put in the work to fuck someone else. However, if someone is throwing it at you and getting laid is easy and a slam dunk, then of course most reasonable people are going to fuck that easy piece. And in most cases no one is ever going to find out that you've fucked around on them.

I think one of the biggest shams is that so many people equate sex with love. That is stuff for soap operas and romance novels. Getting a dick stuck in you and sticking your dick in something has nothing do with love.

Monogamy isn’t natural and goes against a very powerful human drive that is at the core of who we are as a species. That doesn’t mean it’s not possible. BUT you just have to be aware that it’s not natural.

I mean it’s not natural for us to shit in toilets. Men were shitting on the ground for millennia. Now we can’t imagine it any other way. But it’s not natural for us.

Men are programmed to seek out many partners. Even women are programmed to seek out more than just one partner - always upgrading to faster stronger better. Men are designed to fuck anything. Women are designed to continually look for the best thing to fuck. Trust me, woman aren’t so pure. They’ll lock down security with a man, then find more virulent men to get fucked by on the side.

But when it comes to men and women I always ask these two questions. How many babies can a woman produce in nine months? How many babies can a man produce in nine months? There in lies the difference in the programming when it comes to men and women.

[quote] Woman think they can get away with so much just because they have a pussy.

[quote] I think woman want a husband and kids more

Just the one, dear?

Huh R202?

Considering how badly straight men speak about women behind their back, it’s clear that straight men are not compatible with women.

R203, it’s ‘women,’ not woman when you’re referring to more than one.

As if we’re all not typing in phones with fat fingers. That’s all you have to add to the conversation r205?

Welcome to Datalounge, r206.

You’re obviously new here.

R194, Let me correct you on some things right off the bat, 1. I'm a guy 2. I'm a gay guy(Shocking!), and 3. I never asked you, or anyone else, to "swear an allegiance" to anyone or anything, but that said, if a dumb, diseased, slag like you were to try and wreck any relationship I was in, I'd happily beat your sagging, prolapsed ass, with gloves on of course because only God and the CDC know what you're infested with.

I agree men and women (but men especially) seem to strongly dislike each other. It’s strange that polygamy isn’t more widely accepted. The women would have each other for companionship and the men would have a few wives to spend time with so they wouldn’t get sick each other.

R190, I don't think most gay guys cruising for cock are out looking to destroy anyone's marriage, for fucks sake

[quote]I agree men and women (but men especially) seem to strongly dislike each other. It’s strange that polygamy isn’t more widely accepted. The women would have each other for companionship and the men would have a few wives to spend time with so they wouldn’t get sick each other.

Are you kidding me? Women absolutely hate each other and honestly can't be happy for each other. I have worked around mostly women before in the past. They really don't like each other. It's amazing to watch. A woman can pretend to be a another's woman's best friend for years while quietly sabotaging her to make sure she doesn't get ahead of her. Like bridesmaids at each other's wedding close. They lay in waiting forever for the right moment to strike.

Chris Rock gave the best example of this. A man can look at his good buddy and his beautiful wife and say - Man you are so lucky, I want to find a woman just like your wife one day. A woman in the same situation won't say anything to her best friend about her friend's husband, but think - I want THAT man as my husband. And if she can't have him, she'll poison her friend against him.

That’s true r211i forget how those bitches at work backstab and undermine each other even when there’s no raise or promotion at stake. They just seem to enjoy it.

R208, so instead of blaming the person you’re in the relationship with who’s supposed to be loyal to you, you blame the person he hooked up with?

Doesn’t make much sense.

Then again, that doesn’t surprise me coming from someone who still uses 1980s stereotypes for gay guys.

R196 it’s largely true for women, up to their mid to late 20, maybe 30s for the real hotties. Cheating really has little to do with the spouse and more to do with the cheaters feelings and lack of morality.

I saw an episode of black mirror where this married guy is given a once or twice a year hall-pass to hook up with his male lover. Seems like a mature way to avoid the pain of a cheating scandal.

I have never understood why anyone really cares who's screwing who...It's so small-minded.

This whole subject just makes me sad.

Ending up in a fling one time because of circumstances? Okay. But seeking out attached people on the regular? Yuck. There's no real intimacy. A little excitement, maybe, but no connection at all. Just a demand of "get me off!" followed by "get lost".

One guy in a relationship wanted to fool around with me and the whole thing was such a buzzkill. He was on his way back to his girlfriend's apartment too. What a prince.

He was cute and if he'd been single, okay, but knowing he got a kick out of cheating/being on the DL was my cue to leave.

All of you pearl clutching marys on here crying about how unfair this is to the "wife" or "husband" need to realize that no one is luring away these people or forcing them to have sex outside their vows.

Every married guy I've deigned to fuck, always calls back for seconds. Depending on how good the sex, I may go back for a repeat performance but even then that's risky. It's not about intimacy, it's about penetration and ejaculation. After I dickmatize them, they will not leave me alone. One of them moved away to Seattle and still texts me once a week to express how good my dick feels inside.

Bottom line: Their spouses should thank me.

I once sucked off a guy on his Anne ersatz. I did get a little thrill out of that.

Oops anniversary

I once sucked a guy off on his Brrrrr dia. I did get a little thrill out of it.

Ooops birthday

Brrrrr Dia... Is that one of those Italian sport cars?

Don't get me wrong R213, the cheating boyfriend, would get kicked to the curb at lightspeed, but the slut that got off on intentionally wrecking my relationship would just get kicked, and multiple times.

Has anyone here ever faced the wrath of the wife or husband or partner... ?

I'm guessing not, based on the carefree responses here but...I wonder what form the revenge can take...

Wrath no, pretend wrath yes.

English Accent, small blonde severe looking woman. "So your the man who's been fucking my husband......just kidding darling sit down we'll have a drink. You must tell me what he's like in bed, god knows I'll never find out. "

R224 most of us aren’t stupid or messy. Keep the convo short and don’t make it a long term thing. Have him use Kik or Snapchat for messaging instead of text messages.

The point is to get off, not to become his mistress.

R226, I guess a suspicious spouse could decide one day to follow their husband to see where he goes and find you that way. But that's one great thing about living in an apartment building -- they may be able to follow him to where you live but they'd never know which apartment he's going into, so it still wouldn't help them very much.

Being married to someone who doesn't fuck me but allows me to live my life well-heeled is the dream, is it not?

[quote] So your the man who's been fucking my husband

Oh, dear. I hope she spelled it properly when [italic]she[/italic] said it.

The simple truth ..st8 men single or married are obsessed with oral. As one married guy told me, his wife refused saying "you pee out of that thing."

Ha! The apps have location. A savvy, spurned spouse could have a fake account and fake gps. They could find the spouse within feet, if the guy has location on.

And fortunately for me some are obsessed with giving it.

God it's so easy to pick up a married man that longs to suck a big fat dick. Three beers and 9 minutes of porn and they're ripe for the picking.

OP Only small people are offended, let alone shocked.

Christian heteronormative models of straight relationships aren't working for you. Why I would adopt them?

And most are bottoms.

R235 I have fucked my share as well.

How many of you have taken a straight guy's ass virginity?

Me! Me!

I'm married to a guy, but when I'm playing out of town I always pretend I'm straight. Get some pretty hot guys that way...When we're done, they can't help themselves and they always ask me about my wife and kids. I have it all made up and ready to share. Gets them even hotter and we go at it again...

I've done the same thing

R238/R239 see R141

(Not that I expected you to read all 200+ posts in the thread, but just to point out that you are not alone, despite how much many DLers want to believe they are hooking up with "straight" married men, and not gay men pretending to be straight--either to pull in hotter guys or because being in the closet it easier. But straight guys don't wind up on Grindr by accident.)

To verify that the straight guy who wants to have sex with you is a honest person, it’s important to have them show you a picture of their wife and kids first.

...why would they do that? Too private.

Some probably would R241.

A lot of them like to talk about their lives you can’t shut them up.

As a reminder that sex is not everything, I am posting my favorite Better-than-SEX!! cake recipe. When the urge gets overwhelming, just bake this cake and you will be like "Forget Sex, this is what I am gonna pound on from now on."

1 (18.25 ounce) package German chocolate cake mix

1 (14 ounce) can sweetened condensed milk

2 cups hot fudge topping

1 (12 ounce) container frozen whipped topping, thawed

4 (1.4 ounce) bars chocolate covered English toffee

Step 1 Bake German chocolate cake mix according to package directions.

Step 2 While cake is still very warm poke holes in top of cake with the end of a wooden spoon, poor sweetened condensed milk over top. Let cake cool. Pour hot fudge topping over top of cake and let set. Spread on whipped topping and garnish with crushed Heath ™ Bars (toffee crumbles).

Op is on iously a frau

Thanks R245, but that's a bit complicated. I'll stick to a cupa, cupa, cupa.

Boy this thread is really split down the middle between Fun People and really Boring People.

Naw for some of us boring married guys are just not the tea

I just prefer guys I can have any time I want them R248 if that's boring well then.

I don’t purposely go after married guys but it’s not going to stop me if I like someone. I just want who I want and if they happen to me married I don’t care.

Can someone translate r249?

I thought he’d come back to clarify, but apparently not.

I used to have a bumper sticker: "I'M DATING YOUR HUSBAND."

r252 sHE MEANT Married guys are not her cup of tea @ R249 hon.

I'm not surprised. I understand there are "needs" that these married men have, and this kind of stuff has been going on forever. I would never get involved in it though. It's devious, and I'm just not like that. I can't participate in someone's betrayal. As a friend of mine would say: not my circus, not my monkeys.

I hooked up with a married guy one time and the whole experience was just bizarre and not at all fun.

If you do hookups, I assure you you’ve done it with a lot more married guys than that.

I live in the middle of nowhere so I always chat online with a guy first, and I knew he was married, but I didn't know he was so weird.

What made him weird, r258?

i just hooked up with another married cop today. like 3 in 2 weeks.

R176 you think there is anyone who doesn't encounter hundreds of straight men every week?

R59 He didn't want to be touched other than getting fucked, getting his cock sucked, and sucking mine, but then he would say stuff like "play with my titties" but what was most disturbing was that he gave off a vaguely hostile vibe afterward, he also turned out to be a hardcore Republican, so there must have been some serious psychological conflicts going on.

That's all well and good r249. its the boring buzzkills insisting on their prudish ways through their incessant inane posts that I'm talking about.

Classic slut-shaming thread with married men somehow escaping responsibility

They do the same shit to me, R264!

Girl, you ain’t aloneth.

with married men? Ask Lá Sènatrice why?

^Trysts with.....

I think a lot of married guys get off on the notion they're hurting their wives or getting back at them.

...but then they cum and suddenly you're the one who is devious.

There's a total personality switch.

Not only have I bedded married men, I’ve done the deed in the very beds that they shared with their wives.

That’s a huge turn on for me.

Kudos to you R270. Finding a married man that could host was like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Thanks r272. His wife was in a coma. She never noticed.

JK. He always waited until she traveled for her job.

Being in some chick's bed is not a turn-on

I love fucking young guys when they're in that hysterical period before their weddings. All I have to do is hold still and let them writhe.

I think most guys cruising are just looking for a easy hook up, and not specifically seeking a married guy for some evil ulterior motive. It just happens that a lot of guys cruising are married men on the down low.

That being said, there is something of an extra bonus charge when seeing that wedding-banded hand stroking your cock...

Speak for yourself r274.

Anybody get fucked or fucked a guy while his lady watched?

R277 sure, if you like rolling around on sheets with dried vaginal discharge, hair products, make-up stains, flowery perfumes, lady ass stink, women's feet sweat, feminine product fragrance

Even hotel rooms are gross because they smell like women's hair products and perfumes

r278, they are on there all the time.

On where r281?

apps, 2 or 3 in my area. "Wife wants to watch..."

A wife watching / woman in the room = Biggest boner killer ever

R279, the sheets were changed...my goodness...misogynistic much? HUMANS are gross, not only women. I bet that your sheets are hardly a bastion of cleanliness.

R285 I'm sure hubby made sure the place was spotless before he invited some slutty twink with a hole that resembles the Lincoln Tunnel into his marital bed

Posts "misogynistic much" as he embellishes and boasts about having sex with a married man in his wife's bed R285

OP 99 percent of those married guy/straight fuck buddy tales are recycled from decades old issues of Penthouse Forum.

Fucking a guy in his and his wife's bed screams My Mommy Didn't Love Me!

No, it just means that I did it...it’s DONE. I can’t take it back, nor do I want to...my life experiences, good, bad and in between, shaped me into who I am today. I can’t feel guilty about it anymore. And the twink cracks, I mean, really? 😆 Keep them coming.

Every few months, Penthouse Forum would sandwich a man-on-man sex fantasy in the middle of all the hetero ones

Think what you like lady (r288). Join Adult Friend Finder. M 2 F ratio is like 10 to 1. Do you think these guys want their dicks wet? Will they let another male accommodate?

What do you think?

DLers are home-wrecking sluts. Anyone with eyes and ears can see it.

Are you counting all the men on here who used to be married?

R285 got the honeymoon treatment with rose petals strewn about the bed, Sade's Greatest Hits, dimmer switches at half-mast, wind-dried fresh sheets

You know what they say, Sluts get Cuts.

One of my best fb is married. He fucked the hell out of me the first time when I was 25, about 15 years ago. Huge dick. Fucks forever.

We still get together a few times a year. He's now the father of three!

I am not in any sort of ethical bind as I made no such agreement to not fuck whomever I want.

Are you the fun uncle R297?