How two Black women took down whatever fantasies remained about the British monarchy

Markle did not say who was part of those conversations, but she left it to us to say the quiet part out loud: Racism continues to seep through every facet of British royal life. Beyond the racist policies of the British Empire, we can be certain that erasure and disrespect of multiracial members of the royal family are not new. Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was said to have a “mulatto face” and to be from a Black branch of the Portuguese royal family. Of course, her Blackness has never been publicly acknowledged. Now in 2021, we learn that the royal family could not even wait until Markle’s mixed-race baby was born before deciding his life wasn’t worthy of royal protection.

As for Prince Harry, there is still a lot that interracial love cannot fix. He said that it wasn’t until marrying Markle, and he was personally affected, that he began to understand how racism worked. But even then, he could not play the full role of savior to even his own wife and child. He revealed that he was too afraid to ask his family for psychological help for Markle. Harry, too, was cut off financially from his family and they had to rely on his inheritance from Princess Diana and on help from the filmmaker Tyler Perry for support and security once the couple left Britain.

So why do we care about what happens to British royals? As the child of immigrants from a former British colony, who grew up idolizing Princess Diana just like my mother, I ask myself: Why were so many of us Black women ready to angrily revolt (again) against the British crown after hearing what Meghan and Harry claim to have endured?

Part of the answer is that it reveals the effectiveness of the soft-power propaganda that Britain and the royal family have been peddling. The image of a kindly grandmother for a queen has helped shield the nation from its atrocious colonial histories. It was fitting that the Harry and Meghan’s interview was timed for Commonwealth Day, when the royals proudly speak of the Black and Brown members as part of their global “family.” Markle was right to ask the question of how Commonwealth countries should see the crown, given the royal’s own alleged refusal to accept mixed-race members of their own family.

But beyond the royal context, another hard but necessary truth to swallow is that when it comes to Black women in White institutions, almost nothing can save us — not even our closest White allies — from the viciousness of racism. It doesn’t matter how light your skin is, how long your hair is or how many degrees you have. In Markle’s case, it didn’t even matter that she did everything to please “The Firm.”

We are grateful Meghan and Harry survived their family. But for a country that prided itself on civilizing the Black and Brown world — and for a time when discussions about white supremacy and the legacy of racism are more relevant than ever — the Duke and Duchess showed that the British royal family is still quite primitive.

[quote]How two Black women took down whatever fantasies remained about the British monarchy

I think Andrew did that already last year.

It's interesting to see the American politicians who are supporting...the monarchy.

If Markle is so "black", how cone all her partners, friends, etc., are white? She seems very white identified to me.

Hasn’t Oprah really transcended being Black? I’m sure she think so, so shouldn’t the rest of us?

“Spoke their truths.” LOL!!!

I think “took down” is a little premature.

The question is who will 'take them down'. You know down deep it will happen.

Is this parody?

Despite the nose job, hair straightening, and never mentioning being bi-racial, Megs has suddenly transformed into a black woman. Hilarious.

The author was just on with Briana Keilar.

This is all so hilarious. Oprah isn't the global superstar Americans seem to think she is. UK news broadcasts have had to explain who she is and that's after her show was shown here for a brief period years back.

Darling, they haven't "taken down" anything. It's still here, and as long a majority of Britons want it there, it will stay there.

The ignorance of Americans about European monarchies, who are quite useful to their national governments, is staggering.

And Meghan is about as black as Snow White. And there are other "truths" lurking just around the corner to emerge . . .

The thing is, Oprah and Meghan are the beneficiaries of being in the right place at the right time, and not much else (Harry, not so much).

As for the fairy tale - it's not the monarchy that plays it up, it's the media. And no matter how many Dianas, Fergies, Margarets, Walllises, end up crashing out of the course, there's always some new girl fervently hoping to nab the next one (like, for instance, Meghan Markle).

The curious thing is, it's the quieter types who get it who do best inside: the Queen Mother, the Queen, Kate, Sophie Wessex . . .

Fergie behaved so badly, she's lucky she's still got a free place to live at Royal Lodge with Andrew.

"Taking down the fairy tale" seems to mean that women who were manifestly unsuited to the role's true price tag - you cannot be yourself on your own terms - what do you know: didn't do well.

But don't kid yourselves: if Kate dropped dead of a heart attack tomorrow, the battle for the hand of the future King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would start the day after tomorrow.

You know that Seinfeld where Elaine describes her "I'm there for you" strategy about a man she's interested in who is getting divorced . . . eventually, as she says slily, it turns into, "I'm there."

Because the damned thing just won't die.

The British Monarchy has survived for 1000 years. I think they can deal with one bitchy Hollywood B-lister.

R15 - She was barely C-list and she never got through Hollywood's doors.

But, yes, in royal life as in politics, a week is a lifetime.

Please. The Monarchy will be just fine once this nonsense blows over. I can’t believe how many are just blindly willing to go along with whatever this narcissist says, when it’s clear that her motives are driven by revenge. Meghan is petty as fuck. She is just crunchy because she and Harry got the boot! They never wanted to leave the family, they just didn’t want to work unless they felt like it. They still wanted all the perks and benefits, though. That isn’t admirable. That is disgusting. They are just entitled brats who are now claiming racism because they never imagined the Queen and “the Firm” would cal their bluff and tell them to kick rocks. How are people so stupid that they haven’t figured this out? During the Oprah interview, Megs even had to butt in to answer some of the questions posed to Stockholm Harry.

[quote]This is all so hilarious. Oprah isn't the global superstar Americans seem to think she is. UK news broadcasts have had to explain who she is and that's after her show was shown here for a brief period years back.

True. Americans think that their celebrities are world famous and that's often not the case. Oprah is not super famous worldwide. She is unknown in non-English speaking countries.

R15 No they can't. The indigenous communities are pissed. Black people are pissed. The POC are pissed. Ignore it like usual and see what happens. The mistreatment Meghan received resonates with a rapidly growing demographic. The UK tabloids by the way are the number one reason people are reconsidering the necessity of the Brf. It's quoted nearly in every negative Brf comment logged.

R17 - I do not think you are playing with a full deck of cards. Did you even watch the interview?

This isn't something that can be Brf trolled away or negative Sussex articled away. It runs deep.

R20, of course I watched the interview. That’s how I know what I’m talking about. All Meghan did was whine about how tonight things have been for her and about how much she has lost. As if she has never given a second thought as to what any of this done to her husband or his relationship with his family. She is selfish and entitled. When they divorce she will just walk away from all of this mess. Harry has to live with it and try to fix things. Meghan has nothing to lose and everything to gain. She was a D-list nobody who became an A-lister overnight. She has already gained the world.

The collapse of the British monarchy is complete?

Bollocks!

[quote]“Spoke their truths.” LOL!!!

I want to punch the person who came up with that horseshit expression - and I say that as someone who does think the Brits as a whole are racist/bigoted pricks.

God, what an insufferable douchebag you must be to use that line and expect to be taken seriously. Deplorables think they're "speaking their truth" when they think that orange moron had the election stolen from him.

People have no sense of history, no context.

The British beheaded their own monarch -- less than 50 years after the death of Elizabeth, arguably the most beloved monarch in English history -- and an eleven-year interregnum followed.

Charles II was restored to the throne in1660.

The British monarchy will be just fine.

I say it was the red headed stepchild.

[quote] Oprah is not super famous worldwide.

Remember when Oprah wanted to see a purse in Switzerland, and the saleslady didn't know who she was. Oprah made an entire week of shows about that incident.

As well she should had, R27. Whatever you may think of her, that was disgusting of the store and why in the hell would you defend someone being treated like that?

I should add: Even if they AREN'T famous, R27. She shouldn't have been treated that way even if she wasn't famous.

Learn to pick your battles.

God, they're angry. They want to tear everything down. America, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are colonial nightmares to them. They're so pissed.

Was that the famous Hermes incident when Oprah demanded they open the store for her during a private event?

Read, R31:

Cliff notes, R31: Paris was where it was closed. Switzerland thought she couldn't afford to buy it and refused to let her see it.

It's not black women who are going to be the end of the monarchy. The monarchy creates its own undoing by being shady. They refuse to be transparent about any of the BRF members' wrongdoings showing that the family members take any responsibility for their actions (like Epstein's pal Prince Andrew).

That is why the BRF is becoming as irrelevant as the Christian Church trying to hide and cover for their pedophile network of priest they shuffle around. Both are outdated institutions in the social media era where every Tom, Dick & Harry can become an authority figure people look up to and follow.

How two Black women were pissed that the Royal family didn't pay much attention to them. I'm sure when Oprah was invited to the wedding, despite not knowing Meghan, she assumed it would be an in to the real Royals, except the Royals had no interest in her and probably didn't even look at her and knowing Oprah's ego this drove her insane and perceived the interview to be a way of finally getting payback. It failed.

So had Archie not been part black he would have been given a title?

R35, I see your ego more on display than Oprah's. Boy, you write like you know every detail of what goes on. Do you recognize what a weirdo you are?

DL icon Douglas Murray has a different perspective.

"NY Post" "Daily Mail"

Fucking losers read that racist shit.

R38 AHH. Well that neatly ties it up and makes it about Meghan and the Us when in fact it's about the UK and the Brf.

I’m also so grateful that Harry and Megan “survived” their family. I was especially worried about Megan. Who knew the British tabloids could be mean?

I assume “took down” has a different meaning in America. The Sussexes may have made the Royal Family less beloved in America, but here in the UK they look like a pair of ungrateful hypocrites who have abandoned a life of duty in favour of a life spent whingeing about their royal in-laws. They have nothing else to sell.

I honestly think they will drag the Royal Family through the mud for the next decade, before and after their inevitable divorce, and ultimately the Windsors will learn to live with it, just as they lived with the humiliation of Charles and Diana’s public estrangement.

The Sussexes are turning themselves into the embarrassing relatives no-one wants to hear from. To the Windsors, they are the equivalent of all those tacky Markles who crawled out of the woodwork to embarrass Megain. The world will tire of them eventually.

I agree with that NY Post article. It’s a clashing of cultures. Meghan is a whiny American. She has a messed up family and to think she is going to be any different than the rest of the grifters in her family is naive to say the least. She was butthurt about her family selling stories about her to the press, then she did the same to Harry’s family. Why is it more important for her to be heard, than to keep quiet for the sake of her husband and children? They are related to these people. She is trash.

Meghan after realizing the responsibilities she had taken on to serve the British people and having every day of the week micro managed was like WTF I'm an American I want to go back to the US, these aren't my people. She got the playing the Disney Princess out of her system and then she wanted to go home. She played on Harry's feelings of being trapped and oppressed and being haunted by the death of his mother and told him he'd shed the yoke of royal family duty but now he will be the one who will feel like a fish out of water. He has no real purpose here, no real roots. He was raised to be a prince of Great Britain and is now without a mooring. As unhappy as he was there he went from the frying pan into the fire. He still wants to be a royal but in a rich suburb of CA. The whole thing was an excuse for Meghan to come home and be among people she knew and was comfortable with. And she still wants to be a royal as well but entirely on her terms. So for all effective purposes they were fired and now are furious and in a I'll get back at you in any way I can vengeance fury.

She really didn't spend much time in service to the Royal Family especially after being paid an enormous sum to do so. I think somebody on here estimated in total with her trips and breaks it was like a total of 10 months. The people who are pissing and moaning about how unfairly she was being treated simply because of the fact she is biracial are really being played by her as jackasses. Cry for her despite the fact you'll never have 30 million and live in a gorgeous mansion like she is.

It’s just an agenda to push without any critical thinking.

This sorta of unchecked claims actually hurt POC and women.

It’s all got out of hand. It’s a shame really. Two step forward and three steps back

R39 do you agree with OP’s Washington Post story then? It’s says Megan spoke her “truth” and claimed that the baby wasn’t given a title because he was part black. If this is wrong (someone knowledgeable about how the succession works can comment) the her “truth” is a lie. Is pointing that out, as the writer of the NYP op Ed did, racist?

fuck them all!

R43, SHE'S trash? Jesus Christ. The BRF have a fucking predator in their family. Charles wanted to be a "tampon." They all cheat and/or have a long history of perverse behavior. Are you such a shallow idiot that people playing dress up is all it takes to look "refined" in your mind? If we were to actually get into the habits of that inbred family and you didn't know they were "royal," they'd be on Jerry Springer.

R14 But has the monarchy ever faced THIS threat before?! The woke white womyn of Twitter?

I'd like the UK to eliminate the monarchy because I envy and resent it, to be honest, but to dismiss it because it's "racist" and has a "legacy of colonialism" is just dumb. It's a beautiful institution, in a way, but it's kind of crazy to have it in the modern day.

The only thing that makes me laugh with any thread involving these people is how quickly the loons obsessed with hating Markle "like" each other's posts - or like their own posts. I laugh every time I see it within a minute of it being posted.

Oh please.

You have to be an idiot not to see all of the comparative headlines between Middleton and Markle and not notice the insanity of how differently both were treated. I saw it for the first time around the interview. never paid attention to that shit before, but my God. How fucked up must you be not to notice the concerted effort to be negative towards Markle? It's so glaring. Are some of you just assholes or genuinely stupid? I mean nonsense about avocados and holding her baby bump. Fucked up. You people are just fucked up ignoring that.

R48, what does Andrew the molester have to do with any of this? Why do Meghan Stans always drag his sorry ass into discussions about her? Just because I think she is trash doesn’t mean I think he is wonderful. They are both crap.

R53 this is typical Datalounge. The lonely and spiteful.

So Charles and the Queen approved of the marriage (in the BRF a future bride must be "approved").

They gave her mega fairytale wedding.

Prince Charles walked her down the aisle. Rather than her father.

She was given a home refurbished to her specifications. She was given money.

Yet the BRF is RACIST!?

It's not enough. Remember: it's NEVER enough.

I would like to know what white family is going to ever accept those two women at the OP.

Bloody Hell! The half caste cost we Barbados.

I suspect 10-20% of the bad press was from a racial view, the bulk of it was was from xenophobia and anti-Americanism, and the number one cause was because she was a woman.

No man in the British family has ever been abused like the women.

R54, I'm not a "stan." I'm pointing out the stupidity in that your hatred for Markle is insanity because it is in fact in defense of a "political" family protecting a predator - and a history of unsavory behavior. You guys view the BRF as some Disney fairy tale, you cannot deny that when you have so much venom for this woman and ignore everything about that family and how they've attained and maintained power. What exactly is the endgame for you people obsessed with hating her like this? You want her to kill herself? Divorce Harry so you can have fantasies about being with him? WTF is wrong with you guys? It's one thing to be indifferent, but this is unreal how much you hate her. Why would I have to like her or be a fan to see how insane you people are?

Andrew has EVERYTHING to do with this because it highlights how crazy you people are.

Fantasies can't be taken away by a Fantasist. The BRF aren't going anywhere. See the UK polls the past few days. Not a budge.

That said there are plenty of areas that need big improvement in that institution. Organizational structure, media policy, handling of newly married-in members (three letters: N-D-A) to name but a few. I assume that once TQ dies and Charles is King there will be some movement and changes, but will it be a case of too little too late?

r36 when he turned 18 he'd have had the option of getting a title if whoever was king approved it.

Now he is just the great grandchild of the monarch and not eligible.

Seems odd that they told them so far in advance that he wouldn't get a title.

It amuses me to see so many posters actually thinking that fat closet dyke and some c list nobody "destroyed" the BRF. What shit are you all smoking??? If the fucking germans couldnt do it,what in the hell makes you think those two bitches can ?

R53 You’re purposely ignoring Markle’s annoying and conniving actions that cause her to be derided. I’m American and I can see how fraus would find her cloying behavior “cute” but Brits are a far more cynical society and suffer no fools.

For example, regarding the avocado controversy, it was reported that Kate ate an avocado to help with morning sickness. There was no confirmation by her or her friends. By contrast, Meghan brittle makeup artist friend devoted a whole post to Meghan being the Avocado Toast Queen, lauded her tea party hosting skills and tagged photos of the dinnerware letting everyone know they were Soho House brand available on their website. It reeked of self-promotion, merching, and vanity.

Let’s talk baby bump. Kate was pictured once at one event touching her stomach late in her pregnancy. Then you have Markle. Wearing a maternity coat (with buttons undone for greater effect) at Yuge’s wedding. Australia tour: tight white dress, flat as a board. The next day, striped dress with a slit up to her vag, clutching the “bump” for dear life. The next seven months was nothing but contrived bump clutching at EVERY appearance. There are video montages showing Meghan at her myriad appearances irrationally flicking her coat to the sides and clutching her stomach the second she got into camera view. It was pathological.

The worst was at those fashion awards she crashed. She gave an award to Claire Waight Keller, her bridal dress designer. Meghan stepped to the side, arms down. But then she moved to camera view and theatrically cradled her stomach with a speedy ferocity that left me laughing. She then took that silly Instagram shot (black and white, of course!) bump clutched. She went to an old folks home in a dress so tight she looked like an overstuffed sausage. She declared to an old lady while clutching her bump, “You know, I’m pregnant, hee hee.” The woman gave her the side eye and said wryly, “We know. We read the papers.” Meghan looked a little withered after that.

Point is, just reading these shenanigans make me nauseous. She engages in over the top, syrupy behavior that might work with Pinterest fraus and millenials, but not a single person my age (Gen X) is even remotely amused. We know attention whoring when we see it. And she needs to take personal responsibility for why she is so disliked.

I don't hate Meghan(she's attractive and entertaining) but it's pretty obvious that she was basically a social climbing actress at her sell by date who thought it would be a good strategy to snag a prince be a royal but then only wanted the full obligation of the part for a brief period of time. She decided to break her long term contract but still wanted her employer to continue to fulfill all the agreed upon initial terms. Which is really bizarre. But you Megastans are as irrational as Meghan and Harry. And it's hilarious that their millions that they are living off of and their celebrity which is all they have to capitalize on comes entirely from the BRF but you don't see that. No for you they are ready for sainthood for taking down the monarchy. Of course you've never heard the expression biting the hand that feeds you

[quote][R36] when he turned 18 he'd have had the option of getting a title if whoever was king approved it. Now he is just the great grandchild of the monarch and not eligible. Seems odd that they told them so far in advance that he wouldn't get a title.

No that's wrong. He wouldn't have the option of getting an HRH when turning 18. He'll either have it when Charles becomes King, or they'll decide sometime before (or after) that he won't be getting it. The monarch gets to decide, it's an "executive" decision if you want to call it that.

It's not odd at all. Charles has been pulling for YEARS about slimming down the BRF and those who get an HRH. Look at the balcony at the Queen's last Jubilee, who was there? Just TQ, himself, Camilla, Will&Kate, and Harry (Meghan wasn't around then). That was his vision of the monarchy, those would be the core HRHs. He had already decided that HRHs would only go to his sons (William & Harry), heir's kids (Cambridge kids), and if he's still alive when born, George's eldest child. That's it.

It's not odd at all and has been widely rumored and even reported by royal reporters in the past. Anyone following the royals knows about this. H&M cruelly banked on the wider US public not knowing, and made up a bunch of tripe about Archie being singled out or targeted for discrimination. It's a joke.

So what even Nigerian hasn't been part of the commonwealth since the early sixties when they got their independence from the british. Most of the meagain stans think that is a big deal because they don't know history.

Until Buckingham Palace runs red with royal blood, there is no take down.

R36

If the royal family told them so early, maybe that's a sign that they picked up on how entitled Meghan was and wanted to make sure she wasn't throwing a fit after her first child was born. Although they probably didn't realize she'd just blatantly lie about it.

All of this unpleasantness could have been avoided had I just been given the tiara I demanded.

Who would have thought? Camilla is the grounded and sensible one.

R63 I can't believe you're getting this invested into this. Do you have a life?

R71 Do you? You’re the one who read my lengthy post and then commented on it. Dumbass.

Re those fantasies: YouGov just released its second poll of Meghan and Harry and the monarchy and the royals in two weeks. It did one a week before the interview, in which Harry's falling ratings had improved slightly, and William, the Queen, and Kate, still occupied the top three slots.

Then YouGov did another three days after the interview: Harry's favourability ratings plunged to the lowest in his adult lifetime, Meghan's plunged further from what was already well into negative territory, but . . . the favourability ratings for William, the Queen, and Kate remained unchanged - they still occupy the top three slots, with ratings above 65% - and that includes for retaining the monarchy.

This is, of course, Britons, not Americans.

Americans seem to think that the fate of Britain's monarchy really is related to their own views (absent anything like real knowledge of how the monarchy works and its relationship to the British government) and their own hugely biased press's views.

The truths behind the porkies that both Harry and Meghan told in that interview are beginning to emerge. E.g., there are photographs of Harry riding a bicycle with his father as a kid; Archie not getting an HRH had nothing to with race, as Harry particularly knew quite well; Meghan was given experienced advisors and invited to handpick her own staff, she was neither isolated nor helpless; like Diana before her, she refused to listen to their experienced advice; etc., etc.

When the dust settles from the current fracas, the bullying accusations which will start to emerge.

Harry and Meghan have shot their spiteful, vengeful, dishonest wad. They are finished in Britain and their "wad" is directed at ignorant America. The Queen has refused to take their proffered bait re rebuttals, and clearly she is a better judge of the British than Meghan ever was. Her lustre remains undimmed by the public.

Royals, like film stars and other celebrities, are like Rorshach tests, upon which everyone foists his own fantasies. That isn't down to the royals, that's down to human nature.

The monarchy will endure, and twenty years from now women across Britain who can get close enough to him will be fighting to land the 27 year old, tall, handsome, Prince George, son either of King William or HRH The Prince of Wales.

Count on it.

R59 is definitely a Meghanstan. I don’t even defend some of my own family with the passion in which they are defending Meghan. You don’t even see the irony in your own words. Meghan thought the Monarchy was a fairytale. She even compared herself to a Disney Princess. BARF. She wanted to be part of that same gross institution that defends predators. She is even upset that they took their estates and titles back and wouldn’t bestow any on her children. Harry and Meghan aren’t heroes. They are spoiled and entitled brats trying to get even. You aren’t very perceptive if you can’t see that.

Has the monarchy tumbled yet?

The store clerk from that Oprah incident with the purse has vehemently denied that it happened as Oprah said. The clerk said it was true that she didn't know who Oprah was but says it was a language issue that made her ask for clarification about what bag Oprah wanted to see, not race. She said in her industry, you want to sell the most expensive items and the customer is always right and as someone trained to work in high end boutiques, she would never, ever have refused a customer request. She also said that Oprah saw her boss (who owned the store) at a wedding that weekend and never said anything to her about an issue at the store. That none of them knew she was upset until Oprah took to the airwaves to tell her tale of woe. The store clerk feels powerless and astonished that Oprah would twist the situation like that and accuse her of being racist when there was no race element.

R76, that sounds exactly like what happened at Smith college where the wealthy young black woman accused a janitor and a campus cop of racism, and got them fired. Then it turned out she (the woman) was the one who had actually committed the offenses.

Nothingburger. Both GingerSnatch and O came off as petty and tiresome.

So, is Oprah hard up again and needs to do interviews for money? I know she sold her Klimts recently too?

R77 I think that college student was paranoid of racism and probably experienced it on subtle levels before.

That's the thing about racism. You can become paranoid and mistake things. It's a fine line between is this person being rude to me because I am this or are they just rude? It's so difficult to call out the moment when you strongly suspect it is racism. Then you watch how nice they are to others and you're just like what?

If you go through that on a daily or weekly basis it builds up inside you and the next moment something is close to that you start to feel paranoid. You've through it so many times before on subtle levels.

This is why people can become overly aggressive to fight it off or just not a fuck about anyone except people who look like them and only deal with them.

It's far more believable the clerk thought Oprah was too poor.

Oprah only told that story in the context of promoting her black rights movie at the time.

The clerk said while she speaks English it is her third language and she didn't fully understand what Oprah wanted. That once she had realized she had misunderstood, she got down the bag that Oprah wanted immediately.

There was nothing about Oprah arriving in glamour with a team of people that would make Oprah have seemed poor. That region has many tourists and those shops have people of all races as customers. I think Oprah used the story to promote her movie. She thought the store and store clerk would remain anonymous but it eventually got out.

After that incident Oprah shopped at other stores. She came back to that purse store with a handful of bags and asked if the clerk worked on commission. When the clerk said yes, Oprah help up all her shopping bags and said big mistake.

I have to laugh at the way Harry is left out of the equation, always.

I do understand his butthurt that he would always be second, always in his brother’s shadow. Totally get that.

But how is is marriage to Meghan any different? She’s the star and he’s the sidekick. She’s discussed AT LEAST twice as often. At least.

She’s Batman, he’s Robin. She’s Mary, he’s Rhoda She’s Regina, he’s Gretchen.

I'm so confused what the hype is surrounding them. Basically they bitched about tabloids and not getting more support money from his family (5 million isn't enough I guess). They brought up nothing new and shocking in this interview. For a couple wanting privacy, they're both being pretty obnoxious. They seem to not get that the public is sick of privileged assholes like them being sanctimonious hypocrites.

The luxurious lifestyle while lecturing about environmental issues, like saying the public deserves covid for not being green enough. Bitching about their own mental heath during supposed charity/ working hours. Complaining about wanting privacy while non stop shit stirring and moving to fucking LA of all places. Complaints that 5 million is all they have to survive on, while being almost 40, while a majority are barely staying afloat.

And R2 as a poc, it makes me sad when other poc latch on to people like this as some type of "poc hero". They don't represent us well at all for so many reasons. Sick of the hypocrisy of the oh so noble internet warriors as well when it comes to poc representation (aka when it's convenient). When it's a Hispanic behaving badly, or someone Jewish, it's white privilege. Even when it's an Asian, we're told it's because they get a special pass in white society. When it's an Elizabeth Warren like figure, race percentages suddenly count. However, when it's someone that is percieved as a victim, they're considered a poc all day long. This is fine because you should be able to claim what's in you as part of your identity, despite looks or percentages, but the problem is that it's the public decides when you're allowed to. Even poc communities pull this pick and choose shit with their own biracial members. Make up your minds.

There are plently of women of color more worthy of attention than a woman that chose to marry a very privileged, high profiled, wealthy white dude. No, that doesn't excuse racist undertones in the press either, but they took aggressive action, as adults would be expected to do. She sued, moved, and aired it publically, so what more do they want? They need to stop crying to the (very fatigued, struggling) public about it for over a damn year now, because as much as they cry about press, or about privacy, they sure love using it to shit stir in the public eye. Getting press is bad, except when it's kissing their ass I guess.

Harry knows damn well that the monarchy is akin to high profile US celebrities, bringing in revenue for his home country through tourism. Trashing them constantly for circumstances already resolved, is nothing but selfish at this point. If daddy won't pony up more, he wants to see it burn. Revenue that supports social nets for his entire country's population be damned. Afterall, 5 million to start just isn't enough for them, even though they're doing better than most Americans ever will.

I think going forward, the BRF has to prioritize education, skills and training for all of the members who are not in direct line to the throne. It will give them a career and fulfillment and they won't be resentful little assholes like Harry. Part of the problem is that Harry was never groomed for anything other to be a Prince of Great Britain. They should've figured out a career path for him so he had a life and a career outside of the BRF.

Princess Anne was very smart and prescient to demand that her two kids had interests and jobs separate from the Monarchy. Both her son and daughter seem relatively well-adjusted and stable in their private lives, given their circumstances.

Oprah is not the only rich person facing racism.

Knicks legend Patrick Ewing says he was 'accosted' by security at Madison Square Garden

"Basically they bitched about tabloids and not getting more support money from his family (5 million isn't enough I guess)."

R85 - What are you talking about? When did Harry get 5 million from the BRF???

Ugh, the media jumps on every story these days for headlines and clicks. Exhausting.

I so want Patsy and Eddie’s take on all this, with a few frumps from Saffy.

I am Team GB on this one, bitches. Fuck Oprah!

OMG those last lines are BRUTAL!

Shrieking "RACISM" is the club controllers and manipulators use to bludgeon people into silence and submission. Two "Black women" used it in a self-serving vehicle to perpetrate a narrative of lies, falsehoods and character assassination for profit.

R53, Kate and her family were shat on a million times more heavily than Meghan was when she first joined the royal family. Don't compare the coverage of Kate and Meghan from 2017 - compare their coverage from when Kate first started dating William and when Meghan first started dating Harry. Kate had a decade of horror, Meghan was initially welcomed and had positive coverage.

This is one point that actually reveals what a lying shit Meghan is - if she was genuinely horrified about the tabloids, she would be pointing out the nasty treatment all royal brides get initially - Kate, Fergie, Camilla, Sophie. Diana's tabloid traumas are infamous. Edward was absolutely mauled by the tabloids as a young man.

But Meghan's concern isn't the tabloids but painting herself as the greatest victim using the hot issue of the day, racism.

R94 There's a level of hatred at Meghan that seems to burn deeper than any of those English women. It's all from a place of she's not supposed to be there.

FFS r95. Meghan isn't important enough to the British people for anyone to "hate" her - disgusted with her, annoyed by her sure. She's been a right pain in the ass from day one. The site of her and her spoiled husband whining about making his dad pay for their security and other perks when they just signed a multi-million deal and live in a 14-bedroom house. SPARE US the anguish, please.

Yeah she's not supposed to be there. Neither is spoiled manchild Harry. They threw all their toys out the pram and left, and now they live exactly where they want to and are supposed to be.

If they would only shut the hell up about the past, get on with living their lives, and PRODUCING some shit of value, people might warm back up to them.

Anytime they take more than five minutes in the Burger King drive-thru, Oprah blames racism.

"I'd like three Whoppers, and a large fry. Also, do you still have those hot apple pie things? I'll take one dozen."

R95, it wasn't even that long ago so people shouldn't pretend they can't remember. Unlike Kate, Meghan was warmly received and got generally positive coverage. It was only after her marriage, when it became clear that not only was she completely unsuited to life as a royal but she was unjustly attacking the royal family and British society and generally being a narcissist that her coverage became bad.

Harry had been itching for a fight with the tabloids for years and now he found someone who would help him take it to the next level.

I personally never really followed the royal stories in the media much and when they announced in early 2020 that they wanted to step down as senior royals and lead a more private life I thought good for them. It quickly transpired, however, that what they really wanted to do was live a nice celebrity life in the US while exploiting their royal titles to make money. As a Briton, I find that insulting - the royal family are public servants, whose job is to serve us. They are not celebrities, they are not important simply because they are royal or have a title.

Harry handled the press relationship wrong right from the start. He should have known better than to pay attention to every stupid comment. He wanted to pick a fight.

This was unbelievably naive, almost juvenile of Harry.

A Statement by the Communications Secretary to Prince Harry

Published 8 November 2016

Since he was young, Prince Harry has been very aware of the warmth that has been extended to him by members of the public. He feels lucky to have so many people supporting him and knows what a fortunate and privileged life he leads.

He is also aware that there is significant curiosity about his private life. He has never been comfortable with this, but he has tried to develop a thick skin about the level of media interest that comes with it. He has rarely taken formal action on the very regular publication of fictional stories that are written about him and he has worked hard to develop a professional relationship with the media, focused on his work and the issues he cares about.

But the past week has seen a line crossed. His girlfriend, Meghan Markle, has been subject to a wave of abuse and harassment. Some of this has been very public - the smear on the front page of a national newspaper; the racial undertones of comment pieces; and the outright sexism and racism of social media trolls and web article comments. Some of it has been hidden from the public - the nightly legal battles to keep defamatory stories out of papers; her mother having to struggle past photographers in order to get to her front door; the attempts of reporters and photographers to gain illegal entry to her home and the calls to police that followed; the substantial bribes offered by papers to her ex-boyfriend; the bombardment of nearly every friend, co-worker, and loved one in her life.

Prince Harry is worried about Ms. Markle’s safety and is deeply disappointed that he has not been able to protect her. It is not right that a few months into a relationship with him that Ms. Markle should be subjected to such a storm. He knows commentators will say this is ‘the price she has to pay’ and that ‘this is all part of the game’. He strongly disagrees. This is not a game - it is her life and his.

He has asked for this statement to be issued in the hopes that those in the press who have been driving this story can pause and reflect before any further damage is done. He knows that it is unusual to issue a statement like this, but hopes that fair-minded people will understand why he has felt it necessary to speak publicly.

That was the beginning of the end right there r100. A big warning bell. And completely written by Miss Meghan herself, natch. When the hell was her life every "in danger" when they first started dating? A couple of nasty headlines does not constitute a physical threat.

"...deeply disappointed he has not been able to protect her". That right there, sums it all up. The trouble was right there at the start.

R95 Bullshit. It's the totally inauthentic aura she can't hide. It was always all about her. Ffs, that Vanity Fair cover article in which she virtually announced their engagement months before it was official?! Who the fuck does that when they're marrying into a European royal family?!

Meghan can't hide that every step and every person in her life is transactional. Everything and everyone. You can smell it well downwind of her.

She was making trouble inside before the fucking wedding ever took place despite the Queen according. Meghan Mark's of favour she didn't show Kate as fiancee. To make sure the public understood that Meghan was welcome.

And in the end, those early red flags turned out to have been right.

She really isn't very likable. The idea that she thought she could be the next Diana beggars credulity. Whatever Diana's faults, and they were legion, she was almost pathologically charismatic, radiating a magnetic warmth, charm, unselfconsciousness, and a soft femininity. And she was ridiculously photogenic.

Diane was a natural.

There wasn't and still isn't anything natural about Meghan. It's all attempted studied pose. And she had none of Diana's softness. Meghan is hard as nails and it always showed.

It has nothing to do with her not "belonging" there.

It has to do with who Meghan is.

Yep. Everything r102 said.