Nicholas II and Rasputin sexual relationship

Nicholas II

Rasputin

Nick II and George V: could have been brothers.

Nicholas II

Can't you just spank away without dragging us into it, OP?

I thought I'd read that it was Alexandra who was enthralled by Rasputin and Nicholas was suspicious or just "meh" about him.

No, absolutely not. I have never seen any evidence that Nicholas had any gay relationships. Rasputin was impotent anyway and could not have had sex with a woman after he knew the Imperial family. This we know from the reports of the secret police - the Okrana - that Nicholas got. These reports were complete and covered every detail of Rasputin's activities. One of the reasons Nicholas doubted the sensational press reports and rumors of Rasputin's sexual activities was he knew Rasputin couldn't get it off. He liked to watch. One can imagine how frustrating his impotence was to Rasputin. NIcholas and Alexandra seldom saw Rasputin, as of his visits to them and the children and documented in court records. Rasputin communicated with them through third parties, like Alexandra's close friend Anya Vyrubova, passing notes and verbal communications. His hand writing was terrible and she spoke the curious dialect that priestly families used. It was very difficult for Alexandra (who spoke English and German) to understand what he said. Alexandra's brother Ernie was gay and Nicholas was close to them There were a number his close Romanov relatives who were gay. I have never seen any anti-gay comments by Nicholas and Alexandra.

Russia had it's own "Q" problem at the time. There were lots of crazy rumors and predictions of the time. Nicholas and Alexandra had been given one that predicted they would be killed along with their entire family, following this Russia would be bathed in blood and all of the churches would be destroyed. Nicholas was a fatalist.

Rasputin never sucked my cock.

I never heard anywhere that Rasputin was bi-sexual. In fact, all I ever heard about him was that he was a pussyhound.

As for poor Nicky, well, he was besotted with his "strong willed but weak witted" wife Alexandra. Theirs was a love match, a true love story. Too bad they were both idiots who brought down a 300 year old dynasty due to their stupidity and inbreeding.

They were not idiots. They were both very well educated. Alexandra got blamed because the Romanovs were too cowardly to attack Nicholas directly. The dynasty came down in 1917 because the Romanov family and the army generals turned on Nicholas. The Romanovs were notorious anti-semites. Rasputin was a strong supporter of Jewish rights and received money from the Jewish community. His closest secretary was Jewish. He was on the payroll of the Jewish community. The American government forced Nicholas to agree to grant full-civil rights to the Jews before he would get an important loan from the USA. The legislation was to be put the new sitting of the Duma in 1917. This is why Rasputin was killed. The Romanovs turned on Nicholas and Alexandra to stop it. They believed it was Rasputin's influence on Nicholas and Alexandra that was responsible for civil rights for the Jews, and they threatened them with revolution if they did it. All of this is completely documented in the letters of the Romanovs and Generals at the time.

He was known to have a huge cock.

"They were not idiots. "

Oh they certainly were. They would NOT listen to the advice (and good advice it was) of anyone. Nicky did whatever "Sunny" told him to do and she did whatever Rasputin told HER to do. While he was away she essentially ran the country and the country was going to hell. People were starving. No wonder there was a revolution. No wonder the Romanovs ended up get shot and stabbed and bludgeoned to pieces.

As the revolution loomed, Nicholas II asked Mikhail Rodzianko, one of Russia's statesmen, “Is it possible that for twenty-two years I have tried to act for the best, and for twenty-two years it was all a mistake?” And Rodzianko told him truthfully, “Yes, your Majesty, for twenty-two years you have followed a wrong course."

Much like the British Royal Family - they had no idea of their own irrelevance to their people

The things that could've save them are the very things

they worked the hardest to destroy...

They didn’t. Neither Rasputin and Alexandra nor Rasputin and grand-duchesses. Nicholas and Alexandra were rare royal couple, because they loved each other very much and hadn’t affairs or lovers. Thier daughters were adults or near adults, but very childlike. Anna Vyrobova was accused of being Nicholas lover so when she was taken from Alexander Palace to prison she had to show her vagina several times to prove she was a virgin.

Your head is up your ass.

Isn’t Rasputin’s penis pickled in a specimen jar somewhere or is that just a myth?

Aside from being heterosexual, Nicholas II was fastidious about hygiene and grooming. If he had been gay, Rasputin would have been the last guy on earth he would've gone after.

R14 BRF has no political power but Nicholas very much had. He made a mistake not to follow England’s lead to give more power to duma because he had promised to give all the power he has to his son.

Nicholas II disdained homosexuals. I think I know this from his brother-in-law's (Grand Duchess Xenia's husband GD Alexander Michaelovich) biography Once a Grand Duke. I could swear I've read that Prince Felix Youssoupov tried to seduce Rasputin by lying on a couch sans vetements. As I recall, and recollections may vary, he was not successful. I have never heard before that Rasputin was impotent.

I would also want to see the sources of Rasputin being impotent. He really slept around and women of society couldn’t get enough of him.

Some people have claimed that Nicholas's brother George was gay. When he died, supposedly of consumption, his best friend who had been his companion for several years was alone with him. They had been living in the south for his health. I don't remember the details right now. I don't remember Nicholas every saying anything anti-gay I leave to you to inform m. Other Romanovs were gay at the time - I believe Grand Duke Dmitri if my memory serves me right. Grand Duke Constantine was bi-sexual. Nicholas (and his father before him) received complete reports on all of the members of the family and their sexual activities. Nicholas's father Alexander III was very anti-gay, even though hi brother Sergey was. Alexander had Nicholas and his brother had beaten when ever they showed any gay inclinations. Alexandra writes about these cruel tortures and how they warped Nicholas's character. Nicholas had jewel book where he painted in all of the gifts of jewelry he received - it started when he was a boy. Alexander found out and forbade Nicholas to receive anymore gifts of jewelry. This book still exists. Alexander also had Nichols and George beaten when they cried or showed any emotional weakness. He and Marie had a younger son named Michael. His mother, Marie, prevented Michael from being beaten like his two older brothers had been.

The sources for Rasputin being impotent are the extensive Okrana reports which are in the archives in Russia. I have seen them for myself. There were also memoirs of the head of Nicholas's security detail, which were published in France after the revolution.

I don’t believe the russian society women slept with Rasputin. I think it was fake news. Everything in Russia was highly politicized, just like it is today in the US. Remember the FBI releasing a totally fake ass memo about emails right before the 2016 election in order to make sure the Witch Heretic Non-cookie-Baker Bitch couldn’t the be president, despite what the people wanted? Same deal. Rogue agents spreading shit sandwiches all around the dining room in 1916 Russia.

Russian secret police had agents in it who hated the German Alexandra & wanted to take her & her friends down. In early 20th century Russia there were ultra conservatives, ultra monarchists, parliamentarians, socialists, communists, ultra Russian orthodox, western-leaning Russians, imperialists, colonialists, secularists, boyars, populists, German agents, British agents — everybody was angling for a piece of the piroshka at that time. It was a mess. The Russian empire was too big, there wasn’t enough arable land to feed the people, land was being stolen from Jews & peasants, everything was extremely capitalistic. Money & power were everything. The French, British, US & Japanese wanted Russia to stay in the war. The Germans, the starving Russian peasants and the socialists wanted Russia out of the war.

I think the rich Russian aristocratic women believed in Rasputin the same way that women today believe in astrology, ouija boards, sèances, Lawn Guyland mediums, telephone psychics, Hat men, malevolent spirits in hotel rooms, ghosts, etc. Remember, at the time — late 19th & early 20th century — spiritualism was a big fad in Western Europe & the US. Russians were just as superstitious as the rest of Europe & the US and they believed there were people who were “closer to God,” than others ...people who could intervene with God & the spirit world. Rasputin was someone who took advantage of those beliefs. I think the women did shower him with money & jewels, but not with sex. I think he used his position within the aristocracy to fuck gypsies & young, poor women. He was a celebrity, like Donald Trump.

Alexandra was very unhappy. She didn’t “get” Russia. She was a stern, Germanic Lutheran woman who lost her mother & favorite sister at a young age. She was very shy & nervous & known since childhood for breaking out in a rash in social situations. She would’ve been fine as a minor Saxon princess or married to some boring Duke, but she happened to fall in love with Nikolas Romanov & he with her. It was really bad juju.

Alexandra tried & tried to have a son. Finally, after years of trying, she had a son & he immediately began to bleed. She believed this was her fault. Hemophilia was in her family - her brother died of it. She believed she passed the disease onto her son & that she was the cause if his terrible pain & disability. She felt guilty because of it and turned to religion to beg god to help her son. She became more orthodox than the patriarch, expecting that god would answer her prayers and stop punishing her son for whatever sins she had committed.

Rasputin was able to calm the boy and slow the bleeding. When the boy was in pain, his mother & sisters were extremely upset, which affected the boys heart rate, blood pressure & clotting cascade. When Rasputin showed up, he demanded everyone leave the room & assured the boy he was now going to be well, so long as they prayed together. It was a form of hypnosis/suggestion.

Anyone would want the bleeding and pain of a child to stop. Since Rasputin was the only one who could do this, Alexandra trusted him and began to suspect that anti-Rasputin men in her husbands retinue were hoping for the death of the heir to the Russian throne for their own nefarious reasons.

It was a tragedy due to ignorance on virtually every side of the story. These kinds of tragedies are only able to be dissected once they’re over & done with.

Prince Dimiti Pavlovich was one of the murderers of Rasputin. He never wrote book like Yussopov. He was raised like a son by Nicholas and Alexandra. He was later boyfriend of Coco Chanel. I stumbled across a letter he wrote to the Tsar when he was in his teens . In it he declared his love and devotion to Uncle Nicky. And added ' I love you but not enough to offer my arse." Don't think this was to be taken literally. Just teenage boy bradoccio. Still interesting he was on such an intimate level he could write that to the Tsar.

R22 I have never read that Alexander was abusive father. His wife Maria adored Nicholas and her other sons. Alexander adored Maria, who he had secretly loved when she was engaged to his older brother, who died. I doubt Maria would have allowed any violence against their sons. They were tight family. Alix arrived at Russia about two weeks before Alexander died. Nicholas was alredy adult and she had no first had knowledge about this. I also have never read Alix’s writing of Nicholas childhood. Where did you get your information?

R23 that’s a tough source. Thanks.

Rasputin was no fool, he knew which boundaries he couldn't cross, and that included screwing the empress! Which would have gone double for the Tsar himself.

Not just because of the political situation and court intrigue, but because if you have sex with a person whi is as prudish, moralistic, extremely as Nick and Alex, they WILL have a crisis afterwards and turn on you! All the fear of damnation and guilt will turn into fury at the person they fucked, they'll do anything from cut you out of their lives to kill you, they need to to protect their reputation and self-image.

Alexandra talks about the abuse in her letters to Nicholas where she attributes his inability to show his emotions - even to her. She talks about how Nicholas could only kiss her or make love to her in the dark. It was extremely difficult for him to be seen crying. The beatings were probably done by the officers Alexander appointed to shape his son's characters, I can't imagine his tutors doing it. Yes, Marie loved her children but it seems she allowed things to be done to Nicholas and George that should not have happened. My father beat me as a child when he was afraid I was gay. I was covered with bruises and bleeding strokes from belts he used on me. No one outside my family knew about it. My Aunt told my father she was going to go the police and report him. I was 12 and the beatings finally stopped. I was emotionally scarred from the beatings and cannot express my feelings or affection. Let's not forget how the British royal family had treated it's boys.

I only learned recently that Grand Duke Sergei, the uncle of Nikolas and the brother-in-law of Alexandra, was gay. He was a Russian Log Cabinette, overly religious, conservative & punishing of anyone who disagreed with him. He expelled the Jews from Moscow. He was assassinated.

Alexander III, Nicholas's father, was Sergei's brother, The Romanovs seem to have had many gay men over several generations. Alexander III got reports on all of it, including what Sergei (and many other Romaovs) was up to in private. It was though that being gay was a sign of weakness that could be corrected by discipline. Unfortunately Nicholas loved art, dance, opera, music and beautiful things. He was warm and emotional. ALL of these things were signs of homosexuality for Alexander III. He had all of these things cut out of his life. Think of what happened to Charles, the POW, when he was sent to a brutal Nazi school.

There have been all kinds of crazy stories about the Romanovs and Rasputin. The story of Rasputin's cock (he was reported to have a huge one) is just an urban legend. And of course there were all those imposters who popped up after the Romanovs were assassinated, claiming to be Alexei or one of the Grand Duchesses. Of course the most famous one was Franziska Schanzkowska aka Anna Anderson, who claimed to her dying day to be Grand Duchess Anastasia. She told a preposterous story of how she escaped the massacre of her family (a Russian soldier saw she wasn't dead and somehow smuggled her shot, stabbed body out of there) ; not one bit of it could be proven. You had to take "the story" on faith. And a lot of people did. She had a lot of supporters. But after her death DNA proved she was NOT a member of the Russian royal family and was indeed a psycho Polish factor worker who had "disappeared. " There were two books written by a couple of queens named Peter Kurth and James Lovell that both claimed Anderson was Anastasia. I guess they both "wanted the fairy tale." More fools they.

Well, if Americans can believe there’s a mole in the Deep State called Q who communicates with rightwingers using inscrutable combinations of numbers & capitalized letters on Twitter, why can’t a Polish factory worker be a grand duchess?

Rah rah Rasputin, lover of the Russian Queen. It was a shame the way they carried on.

Nicky espoused physical fitmess:

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Only "they" who acted stupidly was Nicholas II, he was absolute monarch and ultimately everything ended with the tsar. Over sized influence tsarina had over her husband and thus Russia was also wholly fault of Nicholas II. A man who loves his wife too much is bad enough for a commoner, but often is disastrous for a monarch or other ruler/leader of a nation.

Large majority of Romanov family were in favor of reforms that would bring about a constitutional monarchy. They also implored or otherwise told "Nicky" to put Alexandra away somewhere such as in a convent or even pack her off back to Germany, anything to get the tsarina out of the picture and thus focus of so much ire amongst the people. But of course Nicholas II would hear none of this, either about changes in government or about his wife.

World at large both in royal circles and outside in general had two prevailing pictures of Nicholas II. One was a blood thirsty tyrant, the other a henpecked husband. Empress Alexandra was viewed as a hysteric who dominated her husband and interfered in affairs where she shouldn't.

These images and or that reputation are largely why so many countries (even allies like France) were hesitant or downright refused to offer asylum to the Romanovs in particular Nicholas II and his wife/family. France barely one hundred years or so before had dispatched one tyrant king and his meddlesome queen, and didn't want any more royals stirring that pot all over again.

Nick’s hole would’ve gaped after that horsecock.

In 1905 the autocracy ended and Russia became a constitutional monarchy with an elective Duma.

The sad thing is how closely they kept their grown daughters. The three oldest girls, and possibly even 17-year-old Anastasia, should have already been married according to the standards of the day, but Alix didn't want to let her daughters grow up. Once the political situation started to turn, they had the option of sending all 4 girls out of the country to various royal relatives, but they still couldn't bear to part with them. Nobody in the government would have cared if the girls went, since they were politically unimportant (daughters couldn't inherit the throne). The fact that Nicky's entire family died in that basement instead of just his wife and son is his and Alix's fault.

R38 Until the country was stable and Nicholas began to rule again. There were endless elections because Nicholas dismissed one Duma after another. R39 True, even though their four daughters were ill during the first revolution they could have sent them later to Finland and to Denmark or England. Those children weren’t put to house arrest and they followed their parents to Tobolsky because they wanted. Even there they weren’t prisoners. In Yekaterinburg communists had difficulties to find people to kill the children, because those men hated Nicholas and Alix but didn’t want to kill their children.

"The sad thing is how closely they kept their grown daughters."

Yes, it was eerie how sheltered and over protected they were. Alexandra would have them all dressed in white, with white hats and white shoes and white stockings; it was like she wanted them to look like untouchable, unobtainable little fairy princesses. The girls were basically allowed to socialize with practically no one except for Alexandra's fat, brainless friend Anna Vyrubova. Although they were princesses they really didn't have much of a life; their only relationships were with close family members. Sad that their lives were so restricted and circumspect.

Especially since the girls were quite beautiful and received plenty of interest from the scions of other royal houses. With their looks, pedigree, and generous dowries, they could have married any prince or royal duke they pleased. Instead they died screaming in a basement. Cut those apron strings, moms.

One of the girls. probably Tatiana, would probably have gone to England and marry into the BRF after the war. These plans were discussed. No one knew about the letters and gifts George and Mary and Nicholas and Alexandra were sending each other during the war. All of George and Mary's correspondence and the gifts are still in the archives in Russia. The letters between George and Nicholas were almost like two brothers writing each other. I have seen some of them. There are dozens of them.

At the outbreak of war Alexandra's sister Victoria - and her daughter Alice - were staying with her sister in the Alexander Palace. They had to leave their jewels behind. Alexandra turned them over to the provisional government in 1917, who was supposed to return them to Victoria.

I think Nicholas and Alexandra planned to send Tatiana to the USA after we joined the war. The Americans had donated a ambulance in Tatiana's name and she met with them regularly. Had the revolution not have taken place America was about to give a huge war loan to Russia and huge quantities of weapons. This would have turned the war in Russia's favor. Nicholas had a number of American friends. One of the most famous was Isabel Hapgood, who knew Nicholas since he was a young man. Hapgood secretly went to Yekaterinburg to help rescue the Romanovs and take them to America.

One of the biggest Romanov urban legends was that of a Romanov fortune stashed somewhere in the Bank of England. Supposedly Nicholas had money secreted away there to be used as handsome "dowries" for his four daughters. When Anna Anderson was making her claim to be Anastasia it was assumed that she would be the one to get all that money. But there was no money. Despite all kinds of sinisterconspiracy theories about why the money was being kept "secret" the fact was there was no evidence, none, that it ever existed. Just another Romanov bullshit tale.