William will never speak to his brother ever again, right?

Probably.

Even if it comes out later, William wasn't the one, The Crown and other shows will paint him as the one who asked abut Archie's skin color as he is the most dramatic candidate.

Oh, they'll speak - civilly one presumes - at the Queen's funeral, Charles' coronation and then funeral, things like that.

Other than formalities, no they'll never speak, at least not for many, many years. If Harry were my brother and pulled all this shit on the family I wouldn't speak to him either.

Maybe it will get better after Mehgan divorces him and takes all his money.

Is Alec that bad? Just because he got Batman he’s all of a sudden a big shot? Maybe he won’t ever talk to that Hilarious sister-in-law though.

[quote]Maybe it will get better after Mehgan divorces him and takes all his money.

Meghan is really smart insisting on settling in California.

William and Kate don't strike me as the petty, whiny, vindictive type. They have every reason to hold grudges but they won't. Because they are adults.

Of course they'll hold a grudge, quite rightly too. They don't have to *act* on it asap because they are adults. They can wait years and years to take away the Harkles HRHes and titles.

He'll probably warn them about dating actresses, models, Americans. Date someone that gets it.

William and Kate and the rest of the royal family will continue on as they have before. The bad press only makes them more interesting and increases tourism.

Harry and Meghan will struggle to produce hit shows for Netflix, struggle financially, divorce and then try to relive the scandal over and over again to remain relevant..

[quote] The Crown and other shows will paint him as the one who asked abut Archie's skin color as he is the most dramatic candidate.

"The Crown" is not going to portray the marriages of William and Kate or of Harry and Meghan. The show's creator Peter Morgan has made this clear multiple times. the show will only go up to the mid 2000s.

Alas, yes, r8.

If the queen dies soon, Harry will be a marked man.

Instead of stinking up our forum with your countless Meghan and Harry-bashing threads, why don't you racist, raggedy-mouthed Brits do something constructive like - oh, I don't know - maybe book your first appointment with a dentist? Mouths like Al's Junk Yard ... all tore up!

but r9 they must be rethinking that now. Things just got really good.

I don't really think the Brits would have minded any person of color as long as they were British. If Charlotte grows up marry a British born man who looks and acts like Idris Elba, I think they would be more welcoming than any American because Americans just do not know the culture.

[quote]Is Alec that bad? Just because he got Batman he’s all of a sudden a big shot? Maybe he won’t ever talk to that Hilarious sister-in-law though.

I love you, R3.

R13, I agree.

the Oprah interview sealed that deal.

It's too rich not to touch.

What was so striking about the interview was how clearly Harry and Meghan had it in for William and Kate. That was burning a huge bridge, because William will have access to things (money, power, prestige, visibility) that Harry and his family will want in the future.

R12 - glass houses.

What type of stuff are they going to produce for Netflix and Spotify? They kept talking about philanthropic stuff. Documentaries about poor people are not going to pay the mortgage on that 15 million dollar house.

William and Katherine have a beautiful, loving family and will be just fine once the dust settles.

R19 when they were talking about philanthropic and charitable shows they were still trying to pretend they had money coming in (or maybe were hoping Charles would open the purse strings again). Now that everyone knows they’re not as loaded as they’d like I bet they do something more salacious. Maybe Meghan will want to act again, and will produce her own vehicles

I read they are worth 10 million. 5 million of that is in the house and then they have a 10 million dollar mortgage.

The monthly payments must be huge. I think 5 million would only generate about 300K a year in a good market.

How much do you think they got for their Netflix deal? Does a thing like that pay out money for the deal or do they just get paid if they produce a pilot that gets picked up?

They seem a little low on cash to be living like Oprah.

Right now Twitter is trending Camilla as the one who went there.

H & M sex tape will be leaked via My40YOMilf and H will kill himself after people see his phimosistic royal dong.

I don't really want to tune into listen to their podcasts about mental health. Sounds depressing. You mean marrying a prince and being a prince in a palace was horrible? Just forget it. There's no hope for happiness.

They didn't mention any other plans for service they have coming up. Rescuing more animals maybe.

R9 The producers of The Crown hold no copyright on future stories to be developed. If they don't produce future episodes, someone else will gladly step in.

I read that it would include animated features that empower women and girls. So maybe like a wonder woman type cartoon?

When a child throws a tantrum, an adult doesn't cut them off, cease speaking with them forever. An adult waits until the child finishes his tantrum and has had time to calm down and reflect. William, an adult with far greater insight into Harry's issues and on-going tantrums, will simply wait until his brother calms down. I'd continue with "and stops acting like a child", but that will never happen with Harry, who believes that his sole purpose in life is to milk his "little boy done in" act in perpetuity.

I love to save things!!!!

See I'm a saint just like Diana!!!

Love me!!!!

When a child throws a tantrum, an adult doesn't cut them off, cease speaking with them forever. An adult waits until the child finishes his tantrum and has had time to calm down and reflect. William, an adult with far greater insight into Harry's issues and on-going tantrums, will simply wait until his brother calms down. I'd continue with "and stops acting like a child", but that will never happen with Harry, who believes that his sole purpose in life is to milk his "little boy done in" act in perpetuity.

Why do they need copyright? It's fiction, anyone can do it, right?

More power to Harry and Meghan. So glad they decided to take on the royal family. Diana would be so proud, especially that Harry is so much like her.

I wouldn't talk to that twit Harry ever again. He is the toxic one.

Diana always said Harry was an airhead like her so I guess he is like her. Proud? Oh no, honey, she would never, ever, ever in a million years have allowed Harry to marry a 36 year old malignant narcissist. I doubt she'd have allowed him to abandon his job and family either.

William and Kate needs Meghan and Harry to restore their image.

[quote] The producers of The Crown hold no copyright on future stories to be developed. If they don't produce future episodes, someone else will gladly step in.

I said nothing to the contrary.

I said only Peter Morgan will not touch Kate or Meghan with ten-foot-poles for this particular series.

Do people think Diana hated William? why would she be proud Harry killed their relationship?

Would you CUNTS stop making new threads when you know very well your stupid OPs could just be submitted as replies in one of the 100 existing Harry and Merkin threads?

FUCK YOU ALL

We really ought to start more Harry and Mehgan threads just to fuck with R38.

[quote] Why do they need copyright? It's fiction, anyone can do it, right?

That's not why Peter Morgan has said he doesn't want to take on Kate and Meghan for "The Crown." He's said he feels too close to the story and that anyone who is going to do something intelligent about it needs some time and distance to process what has happened and make sense out of it.

Other people may feel differently and make something about them, but Morgan has reiterated many times he will not for "The Crown."

Sorry, little George, but it looks like your future twink self never get railroaded by hung homeless meth addicts in San Francisco. Thoughts and prayers.

Contrary to the insane nonsense on this thread, Harry and Meghan won over the hearts and minds of even those who have been suspicious of their motives. Oprah reminded everyone that she is a calm but skilful interviewer. She comes back to what was not answered and she questions what doesn't make sense. Meghan came across as very direct and quite humble. (except for the part about not researching the royal protocol:) Harry is not all that bright, but together they are a modern couple who chose to leave the abusive life they were "trapped" in. And they left early, young and fast. After trying many ways to remain dutiful. It was a quietly devastating rebuke to the royal family. The caste and racist systems everywhere are not hard to believe. Harry is Diana's most loving child and was always an iconoclast himself. He wasn't about to see his wife and family ruined. Meghan did not come across as anywhere near as manipulative as suspected. Harry and Meghan won. Not just the round. Game. Set. Match. They're free. And they'll still be together in 50 years time. 🌹

r42=frau

Girls, girls, girls. It was me. I asked the question about the baby.

R43 = bitter ancient racist white FAG!

Charlotte looks exactly like William did when he was a kid. The beautiful Cambridge kids will flourish and make their parents proud.

r45=homophobe

[quote]bitter ancient racist white FAG!

R45 Why are you spewing your racist bigotry on a gay board?

Because it's in the contract that they flood social media for at least the rest of the week, r48. Just ignore.

William is much better looking than Harry. Even with the hair loss. He's a man. Harry is a boy.

Harry has very close set eyes. His beard hides a lot of flaws. They’re both lucky they’re tall with BDF because they’re not lookers but William at least had a five year run as a teen of being very handsome.

[R19] Plus if you live in a $15M house and especially if you whine you need more money, it kind of dents your credibility. What with the poor in western countries with no housing at all etc...

r42 is clearly psychotic.

[quote]And he will probably ban his two sons from ever setting foot (in a private setting) in the US, at the very least in the West Coast.

What, is he going to ban the boys but send Charlotte over there to kick them back in line? She probably could. She and her great grandmother should go on an adventure! Charlie and Liz Go to America!

When The Crown eventually gets to these years, Meghan will, of course, play herself.

Charlotte is awesome.

Lol! George wasn't having any of it.

Lol! George wasn't having any of it.

Sorry for double post!

I thought the interview exposed the three grifters in a whole new way. I include Oprah because she is a business partner with Harry on a documentary, so there's no way she's going to ask deep or probing questions when she's working with him on a project (and she already got her $7-$9 million commitment from CBS).

If Harry thought he was a prisoner back then, what exactly does he think he is now that he's cut himself off from family and friends? No one in their right mind is going to want to hire these two.

One thing I haven't seen discussed here on DL (I admit to not having read all of the H/M threads) is the fact that Meg perfectly teed up Harry to take the fall when she dumps him for her next conquest. During the opening part of the interview with her alone (which I thought was strange.....Harry's the one who really left the Royal Family.....he's been in it his entire life and she was in 30 months or so?), some of what she said was what Harry told her and she repeated. She wasn't involved, as we are being led to believe. Harry was the only one. And he failed to get what they needed/wanted as far as security, financial backing, etc.

Then Harry joined the convo and had to admit that he didn't do anything to help Megs with her suicidal thoughts. I'm not convinced this part was true. He looked uncomfortable (who wouldn't be?) so I'm not sure if he was expecting to be asked about this or didn't want to out her narrative (he did a little later when he said that she was encouraged to take acting jobs when she had earlier said she had to give up her career). Whatever, he took the fall, and I am sure she will use that forever and ever as an excuse to dump him. "He didn't help me in my greatest hour of need! " A tear. "Poor Harry, he was so weak." She is always going to be the victim.

Can we also discuss the chickens? Chickens leading an authentic life are free range.....not living in a tiny hut (without some usual chickenhouse accoutrements....I grew up on a farm and notice these things) with a very small run. What are the odds that that chicken scenario was recently installed, just for this interview?!? Otherwise, they would have been standing in some major chicken shit if it had been there for months. The ground looked too clean to my eyes.) Does Montecito allow chickens? If this has been discussed and resolved before, I missed it.

And poor Archie. On their 2020 Christmas card, he was still a ginger, but has miraculously changed hair color. I've seen that with babies in their first year, but he's older than that. I don't mean to pick on him (it was his parent's decision to mislead with that Christmas card photo). I feel sorry for him and his sister.

I look forward to the next Kitty Kelly-type writer who releases a tell-all book about these two. You just know that there are people out there trying to secure contracts to start writing/investigating for the real story/dirt. It will keep the DL buzzing for a long time!

Families always fall apart because of toxic in laws. When the bitch gets dumped and the court doesn't give her anything more than child support and a settlement, he'll go home like the lost little prodigal son he is, and they'll make up. She'll just turn even more into the AOC of California socialists.

The whole world fell in love with Harry and Meghan last night. She is the people's Princess and he is a strong modern man. Oprah was spectacular. People forget just how powerful and graceful of an interviewer she can be. This interview will not change the world - but it set many people free and put a well deserved target on a select few. There is no need for a monarchy, but we still be heroes. Long Live The Duke and Duchess of Sussex!!! ❤️

We still need heroes. Long Live The Duke and Duchess of Sussex!!! 💐💐💐❤️🌹🌹🌹🌹❤️💐💐💐

Someone once said that Lois looked like a Portuguese cab driver. Is that the way Kate's father looks?

Charlotte is the spitting image of the Queen.

I'm not sure what will happen. The BRF never forgave the Duke of Windsor abdicating, and did everything they could to humiliate him as much as they could--even the Duke's beloved brother, George VI, loathed him after the abdication and would enjoy denying distinctions the Duke desperately craved for his wife. And then after George VI was gone his widow made sure her daughter continued to keepo him away from the UK as much as possible.

I would guess the big problem for William is not even Harry leaving the job as the nasty things Meghan has now said about his wife, and the resentments she's aired about his children.

Families are not always functional, and humiliating your wife (which Harry thinks William did to Meghan, and which now William knows Meghan has done publicly to Kate) is pretty unforgivable for many men. I would expect William and Harry do not talk for years.

r61 and r62 are the same poster calling people fags up above.

Get off our site you hateful delusional woman.

William isn't a whiny little bitch. He wouldn't do the whole silent treatment thing. But you can bet William will always have his guard up.

OP et al, don't be daft! Whatever status of relations between Prince William and Prince Henry it is highly unlikely there is or will be a permanent falling out between the brothers. Relations may be strained at the moment and or at times in future, but that happens even in best of families.

Prince Henry need to get himself sorted out one way or another. That he chose an older half African American woman as his wife, and moving several thousands of miles away from home is perhaps unfortunate, but what were the alternatives I suppose.

Looking at what his uncle Andrew may have gotten up to with Epstein scandal perhaps things are for the best. Lot of second sons often isn't easy, more so now in this era of modern healthcare, sanitation and so forth all but assures the eldest son will not just live to inherit, but marry and breed children of his own. What was Prince Henry going to do in UK unmarried, alone and lonely? HRH did try and do the proper thing but only the Markel woman would have him, all the others turned Prince Henry down flat.

You're an insane old bitchy fag right? R66. Everyone knows who you are R66. Answering all your own posts, queerdo. I'm not a woman. But you do hate women, don't you old loose hole man? You had all those Jussie Smollett threads going at one time too. You're some old toothless racist you are. Hate women and POC. F&F R66 and all his thousands of other posts. Better yet - report his RACIST faggoty ass to Tony at Mediapolis. Sometimes they listen. Now Shoo. You're not needed here. Or anywhere.

my friends think they have all this on tape. Including using racist slurs about Oprah. This is why oprah seems to be so involved and taking this so personally. Also, why she does not fear retaliation from them. She has tapes.

Families that were once really close never quite give up on each other. I think they will be okay.

Your use of fag tells us all we need to know about you. r69.

Maybe you are not a woman after all. Just a self hating gay man. Your infatuations seem like those of a woman though.

Jussie Smollett? Please. As if I was involved in that obvious nonsense. (this also tells us all we need to know about you.)

L❤️VE

William will be king, Kate will be queen, this is fact. They will live happily ever after.

We all feel sorry for you R72. Everyone knows your name. Sad old man.

Priss Morgan just flounced right off his show - when called out on his puckered hole racist misogyny. The tide has turned. Harry and Meghan have won over the world! Love makes people brave. God Bless Princess Meghan & Prince Harry. Royals.

To answer the main question, no. They will speak again.

Nah r75. You are alone on this site in your worship of Jussie and Harkle.

You use fag and age as an insult.

You sound ghetto.

Ghetto? F&F the racist ancient white FAG @ R66 and R78. More than half the posts on this these threads are from that desperate hateful clown. Sad to never know love. Who is Harkle? And I don't know Jussie. He's cute though. You sound very OLD.

Beautiful

Love takes time.....Today the world knows and loves Meghan for more than her beauty.

You aren't very good at math either r79. Half of 80 posts? Really? Count again, homophobe.

Don't you have a sewing circle to attend?

You have thousands of posts about hating Meghan Markle R82. Sometimes hundreds in one day. It's easy enough to prove. And they're working on it too. You went on similar days long benders posting about Jussie Smollett. Everybody knows your name old man. Ask for some help or lay down and die. I can smell the rot of you.

Invictus

check my history r83

you won't find anything of what you said.

It’ll be a long time, if ever.

If Markle exhausts Harry’s supply in a few years, she might drop his empty husk on the floor, and he might allow Will to bring him back into the fold. And that would depend entirely on Kate, actually.

If Markle wants to hang onto his empty husk, she will. And then no one in Harry’s family will be able to reach him.

I'm not sure Harry will be welcomed back ever. In their eyes Meghan is just an outsider; Harry however is a rank traitor to the family who darkened the last years of his grandparents with discord and scandal.

R84, that VF cover is really, really bad. Was that before toady Scobie worked there for her?

[quote]Oh, they'll speak - civilly one presumes - at the Queen's funeral, Charles' coronation and then funeral, things like that.

The Harkles won't be at the Coronation, not after this debacle. No way keep dreaming. I'm doubtful they'll be at any funeral other than a private one. Unless something major happens in relations, they may not be at Philip's or TQ's funeral (you can't go if you're not invited - guess who mails those out?)

The Opossum Face family is better suited to California -- they can exchange Christmas cards ansmd so on with the BRF, wishing each other well. After the divorce, the BRF can amend the mailing list to 2 separate addresses

[quote]The whole world fell in love with Harry and Meghan last night.

Bitch, please.

So much unnecessary drama, so many unnecessary questions about the Royal Family. Meghan's trying to play the publicity game and raise her visibility, but she's new at this. Very calculated. The Royal Family has been around much longer and know how to wait this out. All the dialogue has been from her perspective, but there are two sides to every story. After the divorce, they will guardedly allow him back into the firm.

I agree with R4, R5, R7, R8 and R91 and very much with R2.

The world already loved Meghan and Harry. Now even moreso.

R9 A mère detail. Someone else will take the story and run with it. Just because the makers of The Crown get precious for some reason, doesn’t mean others won’t rub their hands together with glee at the thought of dramatising this trainwreck. Wallis and Edward have had multiple portrayals.

Who cares if William won't talk to him.

Princ(e)(ess) George will talk for both.

It must be love....

Give me a fucking break, OP. 99.9% of us have endured far worse from family, and we keep coming back.

The Royals excel at long, slow, cold revenge. William will never forgive his brother for this, and he shouldn't. Harry betrayed his entire family over imagined grievances and his grifting wife, and he should see consequences. Continued exile in California, scraping by on the remains of his trust fund, separated from his children while his ex-wife sells him out to the press to further her own narrative, would be just about right.

As others have noted, Wills probably has a better understanding than anyone of how volatile Harry is; he'll likely say little if anything and bide his time, knowing that Megs will cut Harry loose and blame him for everything that goes wrong - just like she does everyone. At that point Wills, looking like the magnanimous one, will step in & pick the up pieces with little brother.

But it will never be the same again; he'll never let Harry close to himself or his family & who can blame him because Harry proved he can't be trusted.

Charles forgave Andrew for (allegedly) raping underage girls. I'm sure William can forgive Harry for making his wife endure racist abuse.

R97, you must be part of a loving family.

But as we all KNOW, the BRF is an evil institution, filled with hateful, misogynistic, snobbish racists.

Seriously, though. If a family member left the cult they had joined, you’d probably welcome that person back into the family. But what if that person had told millions of people that you were a racist klan of cold uncaring people? That might sting a bit, I’d think.

r100 Charles hasn't "forgiven" Andrew, he is disgusted with him but his mother keeps him around. As long as she's Queen, Andrew will be on the margins. Once Charles is King all bets are off - we'll never see Andrew at a public royal event again. If you followed the royals, you'd know this.

It's to be seen how they will handled the Sussexes now.

[quote]But as we all KNOW, the BRF is an evil institution, filled with hateful, misogynistic, snobbish racists.

No we don't KNOW this. It's BS.

I'd say thought after last night though that they BRF is partly filled with hysterical, borderline narcs who twist facts, and can't stop lobbing shit at each other in public. And the rest do a poor job of handling them.

I very much doubt that however it is handled, that the relationship between the two brothers will ever be healed. William also has a family to protect, and his children's patrimony, as well.

I don't disagree that William probably knows better than anyone else how emotionally damaged Harry is, but that same knowledge would also tell William that the unchanged, vicious, unrepentant, gleefully destructive Harry is too dangerous to engage with further.

I think the brother's relationship is over. Probably, Harry's relationship with the entire family is over. He is simply too labile, angry, vengeful, and under Meghan's expert tutelage, probably believes that he has struck a lethal blow at the monarchy's heart, and any bits of window dressing about still loving his brother to bits, is given the lie by Harry casting deliberate racialism innuendo on his brother and throwing his brother's wife under the bus via Meghan's vicious attack.

On a human level, it's horrifying.

On a political level, the polls taken after the interview show that Britons are standing by the Queen - nearly half, with the other half split between favoring the Harkles' narrative and those unsure.

If today's reports are to be believed, a statement has been drawn up on behalf of the Palace, but the Queen has refused to sign it, asking for "more time".

Again, IF this is true, it confirms what I personally have believed well before Meghan came onto the scene: the Queen cannot handle anger, confrontation, or acknowledgement of certain kinds of emotional realities.

To the extent that that quality prevented her from dealing out Tough Love when she should have, and that includes to the max the behaviour of her second son, Prince Andrew, never mind telling Harry that Meghan was manifestly unsuited to the rigors and constraints of royal life and to quit the royal gig and go marry her in America, never mind, when Harry told her after leaving the military that he was thinking of leaving royal life, she should have said, "Go for it, lad!" instead of persuading him to stay in.

Much as I, like many, respect the Queen's 70 years of dedication to job and country, I blame her more than anyone else for the mess here. But three weeks ago, when announcing the not unexpected lifting of the Sussexes royal patronages, military honours, and positions with the Commonwealth, she just HAD to add in a demonstrably false line about both remaining "much loved members of the family".

At first I though the inclusion of that sentence was political oblige, so to speak. Now, I think it really represents the Queen's fantasy that that really is the case. She simply cannot accept the reality before her.

And that failure to acknowledge emotional reality is at the heart of the destruction here. Harry and Meghan have simply taken advantage of the weak link here: it's the Queen.

That doesn't absolve Harry and Meghan for their disingenuousness, outright lies, glaring intent to do harm, etc., but they would never have had the opening if the Queen hadn't given it to them.

This IS the Queen's fault.

Agree with you mostly r104, but why take issue with the live about remaining loved family members? She does love Harry and is probably worried sick about him and what will happen with Archie. She's a grandmother as well as a Queen. She knows his issues.

It would have been cold to leave that line out. It draws the distinction between doing her job as monarch, and still remaining a concerned grandmother. Two roles but different expectations. She needs to underline that.

Haz is a seriously mentally ill man in shambles, controlled by a vicious narcissist. It's very sad.

A lot of this could've been avoided by not making Charlotte and Louis Princess and Prince upon birth. George...ok...he's the future king. But 1st cousins of The Queen are HRHs...why not her great grandson (who will one day have a grandfather and uncle who are king)?

Also, Meghan was clear that even though Archie isn't entitled to become a prince now, there was discussion to change the rules specifically with him, so precedence would be ignored and he would never become a prince.

Harry and Meghan better hope those deals they made pay off. After complaining that Granny wouldn't see him, whining that Charles wouldn't return his calls and cut him off, claiming that Charles and William are trapped, and allowing Meghan to drag Kate to the world, William is unlikely to open the purse strings of the Duchy of Cornwall for the Sussexes once he becomes Prince of Wales.

It's quite telling the vitriol spewed at R108 is reserved for the people discussing their treatment, not toward a father who has treated his son like shit.

[quote] A lot of this could've been avoided by not making Charlotte and Louis Princess and Prince upon birth. George...ok...he's the future king. But 1st cousins of The Queen are HRHs...why not her great grandson (who will one day have a grandfather and uncle who are king)?

If it wasn’t this, it would’ve been another issue they complained about. The protocol has been established for over a century. Harry knew it, Meghan knew it, Luz knew it.

[quote]Also, Meghan was clear that even though Archie isn't entitled to become a prince now, there was discussion to change the rules specifically with him, so precedence would be ignored and he would never become a prince.

Why do you believe her? She and Harry have already been called out for lying about getting married early and for the Letters Patent. What’s one more untruth?

If anyone understands what Harry's going through it's William, so I think there's a good chance they'll maintain a line of communication.

Unlike the simple-minded pieces of shit in this thread, most rational people can recognize William is likely no less fucked up than Harry, having experienced the same traumas. However, Kate had such an enviable upbringing--loving, affluent, supportive--she's likely been a stabilizing force for William. Still, there are numerous accounts that indicate he has a mean streak, so it's bullshit to pretend he's always been a sympathetic shoulder for Harry to lean on.

The whole family would be smart to never associate with them again. Meghan is dying for more. She's not going to give up the victim spotlight.

I didn't like how she steered off Oprah when talking about her father. It didn't make sense what she saying if they kill the story they can't do it in the future for their children. Oprah was going somewhere else and Meghan reined her back to that but it didn't make sense.

It was weird mentioning Diana's friend Julia. Almost like she was trying to paint herself like Diana. She zoomed in on the photo someone sent her? I still don't get how if she wasn't googling herself her mental health declined. Sure, reading all that shit everyday could affect anyone's mental health but she insisted she wasn't. Something else must have been going on to make her feel so bad if she wasn't googling herself.

Who believes that Sparkles' car keys and phone were "confiscated" and that she was prevented from leaving the Cotswolds house for four months? Nobody. Another lie.

[quote] Who believes that Sparkles' car keys and phone were "confiscated" and that she was prevented from leaving the Cotswolds house for four months? Nobody. Another lie.

Sounds like she heard what allegedly happened to Charlene of Monaco and used Charlene’s story as her own.

I think the security and title issue were a negotiation tactic from the BRF. They play hardball when settling divorces; ask Diana or Fergie’s attorneys.

I think this separation was hatched shortly after marriage , when she realized she married someone who is going to be a minor royal in 20 years and cutting ribbons at supermarket openings, not attending Davos and hanging out with the Clooneys.

R28 and R30, you needed to post your drivel twice, [italic]and[/italic] upvote your own post six times? Yeesh.

[quote] Charles forgave Andrew for (allegedly) raping underage girls.

Why would you say that?

Andrew has been (rightly) forced to step back from all his public duties. That's not "forgiving" him.

As if r43 isn't a frau. These threads are 90% frauen, and the worst are the ones who say "frau" and "Mary!" to try to pass themselves off as gays.

[quote]I think this separation was hatched shortly after marriage , when she realized she married someone who is going to be a minor royal in 20 years

Sometimes Meghan's a Machiavellian scheming gold digger psychopath, other times she's an idiot who thought Harry was in line for the throne until after she was married, just depends on what point the trolls want to make at that moment.

[quote]most rational people can recognize William is likely no less fucked up than Harry, having experienced the same traumas

William at age 13 went after his mother for doing that infamous interview and having an affair while married, but never did the same to his father for having an affair with Camilla. I don't think we can assume William had the exact same experience as Harry.

R122, it's well-known that William used to shout at Charles about how badly he treated Diana, at one point telling him, "I hate you so much."

R116 interesting point you make about Markle internalizing other's experiences; I don't believe she was suicidal but could imagine Haz being desperate and her embracing it for "her truth."

I do hope Haz is removed from the line of succession so that the Harkles' reality show dreams can come true.

[quote]Harry and Meghan will struggle to produce hit shows for Netflix, struggle financially, divorce and then try to relive the scandal over and over again to remain relevant..

When they're 80 years old, they're still going to be talking about how bad they had it for 18 months. They are never going to let this go.

Harry should've married Chelsy Davy and had a nice quiet life feeding giraffes and playing with gorillas in Zimbabwe.

LMAO @R126

Chelsy is a lawyer in London! Don't fucking pretend Harry would've lived a simple and quiet life with Davy or Cressida Bonas (longtime girlfriend #2, also an actress).

Chelsy is right now standing on a gorgeous beach in Africa thanking all the gods that she didn't get involved with that asshole male borderline called Harry Windsor.

Cressida Bonas got her Harry, and he's much hotter and far less high maintenance.

[quote] Harry and Meghan won over the hearts and minds of even those who have been suspicious of their motives.

These two should not be rewarded for shit-talking the family.

Whatever happened to privacy and discretion? And dignity, for that matter?

What utter horseshit. Meghan and Harry played to their base and didn't convince anyone who already saw them for the grifters they are.

Harry and William will talk again. I think it is going to take years of work to patch things up after his divorce from Meghan. She has done a lot of damage. She doesn’t talk to her own family and now she has made sure he isn’t talking to his. What a gem. Diana is probably spinning in her grave.

Harry and Meghan now have power, which they gained by laying the suspicion of racism over every member of the Royal Family except the two who are likely to be dead within the next few years. It was a brutal power move, and effective. It was timed perfectly, mid pregnancy, and that pregnancy and the allegations of racism and suicidal thoughts means that very few people will even dare to question their view of events. They have shown the Royal Family that they must be appeased at all costs. And anyone who denies them anything will be punished without restraint.

I’m sure that the family will meet them with perfect civility at Philip’s funeral, and at all other ceremonial events. Gifts will be exchanged and cash will flow to California from Clarence House. Who will dare disappoint them?

I’m also certain that times will change though. As Williams’ kids grow into adulthood, and Harry and Meghan age, it is likely that they will lose public attention. Harry will undoubtedly remain a manchild, and will fuck up, as he has through his life. Will the public really be interested in his podcasts for the next 30 years? What other skills does he have? Maybe he could present Jeopardy?

He and his wife will fade away, and although they have inflicted serious damage, the monarchy will move on.

[Quote]She doesn’t talk to her own family and now she has made sure he isn’t talking to his. What a gem. Diana is probably spinning in her grave.

LMAO...

The same Diana who spent most of her life being estranged from her parents, brother, and sisters due to real and perceived grievances?

R133, I just don't see the Sussex strong-arm tactics working. The fact that they didn't name names leads to delicious speculation in the short term, but in the long term, with no specific person to pin those accusations upon, the public will lose interest. Considering that Harry and Meghan have shown zero gratitude for the financial generosity that was shown them in the past, I can't see the BRF opening up the purse strings again. Who would benefit? The Sussexes do nothing but chew a feeding hand to shreds.

R135, Harry and Meghan have laid the “colour” allegation out there, leaving everyone waiting for an answer. They can call their friend Oprah at any time and name the (alleged) culprit. It’s an axe hanging by a very thin thread above someone’s head.

“What Meghan wants, Meghan gets” will be a long-term rule until/unless she and Harry really mess up in the spotlight.

[quote]I’m also certain that times will change though. As Williams’ kids grow into adulthood, and Harry and Meghan age, it is likely that they will lose public attention.

It's a given that this will happen. It always does. Princess Margaret was yesterday's news when Charles and Anne reached young adulthood. The same thing will happen to Harry and Meghan (if she's still married to him) when William's children reach young adulthood and all the attention will be on them.

[quote]William will never speak to his brother ever again, right?

Nonsense.

You always forgive the retarded ones.

It's their cunting user wives who get the thousands cuts and killed by kindness, eventually.

If Harry and Meghan named the alleged culprit, they have to be able to back it up. Otherwise, they are opening themselves up to one motherfucker of a libel suit. If they COULD back it up, they'd have already named names.

[quote]You always forgive the retarded ones.

Not always

If they wait a few years and then decide to have another tell all interview where they say it was Charles or Will, that would be hilarious and I hope it’s Andy Cohen who does the interview. Because they’d be at reality tv level of ridiculous.

Once they name someone, they'd have to tell the entire story--exactly what was said and how it was said. Since I have the feeling this was an offhand or joking remark that has been whipped up into a frenzy of grievance by the Sussexes, the actual story might not impress people that much. Vague implications are always more interesting than the plain truth.

Meghan acts true to her sign. Say what you will but this sounds exactly like her: Leo born in a Rooster year.

"Like their animal namesake, Peacocks live to be admired. They may feign modesty from time to time, but they are very aware that they have an uncanny magnetism that attracts both attention and praise. Members of this sign like to look good, feel good, and be on top. They consider themselves winners in all they do and because of this, they are usually right. To witness a Peacock doing what they do best is to witness confidence personified. They truly believe that they deserve all of the attention and praise they get, and have a very hard time understanding the occasions where they don’t get it.

The biggest weakness of this sign is that they rely heavily on others to fulfill their emotional needs. Peacocks have a deep-seeded need to be proven right all the time. They also need to be loved, admired, and praised. While most people can go through life with occasional reminders of respect and admiration by others, Peacocks cannot. They need to be reminded on a regular basis that they are special, and as big as their egos may be, they cannot rely on their self-worth alone to fill this need. For such a strong, independent sign, Peacocks can be brought down in the simplest way - by being ignored."

R133 - Good post. And I agree with the last bit about time moving on.

That said, I'm not sure what there's left to "appease" Meghan and Harry with: money? suddenly remember to make Archie an HRH? buy them a country home bigger than Anmer Hall?

I really don't think the Queen knows what she's doing any longer. The statement just released by the Palace on behalf of the Queen is weak, evasive, and yet again repeats the "remain much loved" canard that anyone with an IQ over 80 can see is complete and total bullshit. I don't know why she's doing this. It isn't helping her or the monarchy.

She's taken the "race card" bait and Meghan's bullying claims will fade beside it, which was probably one reason for dropping it in the interview.

The Harkles are likely downing Dom Perignon with friends and high-fiving each other and putting the BRF on the run, despite the fact that Meghan and Harry, like every other member of the family, know that Archie wasn't entitled to an HRH, whilst William's kids were given them on a longstanding exception for the kids in the direct line. It was never about colour whatsoever, that issue.

As for the Palace cutting Harry off financially - for fuck's sake, he kicked the family in the teeth, threw his toys out of the pram and flounced out, and he was 36 years old with a $40 million trust fund. Does he know that most of the rest of us are out there supporting ourselves by our early or mid-twenties, not living off Papa and Gran?!

Their sense of entitlement is breathtaking.

I say this has been woefully mishandled by the Palace. They should have gotten tough much earlier on, taken the titles and HRH when the two sullen ingrates bailed, and started gathering every last bit of info on Meghan MI5 could get its hands on.

If William had been in charge, that statement would never have been released.

This woman no longer has the strength to lead.

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Harry should have never married this woman.

^^The Duke of Sussex, c. 2025

I've already told George he's going to have to marry a black dude. He's down for it.

"Harry and Meghan now have power, which they gained by laying the suspicion of racism over every member of the Royal Family except the two who are likely to be dead within the next few years." - Except, r133, they don't have that power and few people in the UK suspect racism of any member of the royal family. In Britain, we know Meghan is a lying grifter and Harry is a stupid idiot. Harry and Meghan have no power at all. Even in the US, where they have some incredibly naive supporters, their power is minimal. Power over what and to do what?

Right now, Meghan and Harry are famous for being famous. They'll lose their American audience if they don't do something else soon. And lest you bring up the Kardashians, note that they had a hit reality show that played for years AND numerous business ventures. They hustled 24/7 and bared their big shiny asses to the world to keep our attention. Unless the Sussexes are ready to get down and dirty like that, they'll be yesterday's news soon enough.

R134 I meant, Diana would want her sons to be close. They were until Meghan came into the picture. You are crazy if you honestly think she would have been okay with this development.

R5, You're kidding, right? William is King of the Clenched Jaws, indicating a seething temperament.

I disagree with r2, also. IF Harry attends any future national/familial event, neither his brother nor his sister-in-law will speak at all to him. Charles might, but he's a Royalist and a Scorpio, so maybe not....

There would be Harry, Duke of Sussex, all fancied up in his military...no, wait. That would be his brother, father, and royal uncles. Prince Henry would be in a (bespoke) suit, hating it and the circumstances that led him there.

Would the public cheer Harry as their very own Prodigal Son? Or would they scorn him, albeit with heavy hearts?

Meagain Markle doesn't have the balls or the character to support her husband at a family event. She'll probably guilt him for going. She'll probably make sure friends leak how she wanted to go but they're so mean... she'll definitely be photographed in California on the day of the Duke's funeral in England. Because she is a carpetbagger.

She'll plead new motherhood, the ongoing pandemic (which likely won't resolve before Philip's death), and stay home. Harry will have to go by himself and face his family. Perhaps at that point he'll start to realize just how alone in the world he is, but I doubt it. He'll put in the minimal appearance and run home to Montecito.

Any chill he's earned when he's back among the ranks he will twist into more cruelty on the flight back. Presumably on his eco friendly private jet hire.

R107 Thé Queen has two roles - Constitutional one and a family one. It was probably upon advice that she issued those Letters Patent in order to update the 1917 one which allowed for the eldest son only of the eldest son of the POW to become a Prince. The advice probably preempted the passage of the new Act which thankfully kicked over the old male primogeniture rule, and was given in anticipation of the first child - boy or girl - being the heir to William. At that time, MM was choofing it up on a beach somewhere getting married to the Rev Trev - and she hadn’t yet rolled her eyes in Harry’s direction. Anyway, that nasty little ginger fucker gets what he deserved. A life in oblivion.

Just let the two of them try to get between ME and the throne, and we'll see what's what.

R133 Totally agree. People talk about the Queen as if she still has the same vigour as she did, even twenty years ago. Philip is rumoured to have a carer, and who knows what the Queen’s mental capacity is. She should have stood down at least ten years ago. At this rate, Margrethe of Denmark will be enjoying retirement while Liz is still shuffling around. There comes a time...

If you had watched the Queen's recent tele-meetings you would think otherwise, r158. Her Maj is sharp as a tack and on good form.

The Queen began to "stand back" from running the Firm years ago. She's still in charge but defers to Charles in many things. It's at least ten years ago because Charles made the Queen stand firm on Bea and Eug having to get jobs and pay their own security or have Andrew do it all the while Andrew put up a huge fuss with his mother. Charles had his way and still has it.

Now he's finding out, just as the Queen and her father did, choosing the Crown over your own blood is very hard but there are times when it has to be done and it's up to you to do it.

R158 is probably right.

Harry's anecdote about The Queen inviting him to Norfolk and then backing out at the last minute indicates she has minders.

IDK, the Queen has had advisers for decades who sometimes advise her against her instincts. She wanted to let Margaret marry Peter Townsend until her advisors said that she could not give official approval.

r161, the Queen absolutely DID give approval--even OFFICIAL approval, since she drew up papers with her Prime Minister at the time Anthony Eden-- for Margaret to marry Townsend, despite what "The Crown" says:

[quote] Papers released in 2004 to the National Archives... show that the Queen and Eden (who had been divorced and remarried himself) planned to amend the 1772 Act. Margaret would have been able to marry Townsend by removing her and any children from the marriage from the line of succession, and thus the Queen's permission would no longer be necessary. Margaret would be allowed to keep her royal title and her allowance, stay in the country, and even continue with her public duties. Eden described the Queen's attitude in a letter on the subject to the Commonwealth prime ministers as "Her Majesty would not wish to stand in the way of her sister's happiness". Eden himself was sympathetic; "Exclusion from the Succession would not entail any other change in Princess Margaret's position as a member of the Royal Family", he wrote.

It was Margaret herself who chose in the end not to marry Townsend.

Absolutely right, R162.

Once she turned 25 she was allowed to do what she wanted. All the BRF did was force her to wait till then. Of course, if he'd been a POC it would have shown they were racist, but happily he wasn't so it only showed they knew she was headstrong and didn't want her to make the wrong decision. Unlike the present BRF, apparently.

William is an alpha and Harry is a beta. Harry will never apologize but William will forgive him anyway.

Harry will always be the one with the star appeal. William will always be jealous of that and for his making his own life and forging his place in history. Harry is a legend in the making.

Harry and Meghan beat Prince William and Kate in the most watch wedding.

America will recreate Harry, like it has done for all immigrants. You leave your identity at the door when you come in, they say. But like many, he can choose to have both. What a great period of his life this young man is embarking on.

Found it fascinating watching this, an analysis of their body language in the interview by some of the world’s top experts.

R166 That's a lie. The Sussex wedding had the lowest ratings of any royal wedding except Eugenie"s. Even the Wessex wedding got higher ratings.

The Sussex wedding also garnered the fewest requests for street closure licences for celebratory street parties.

The Cambridge wedding was a state occasion with the PM and a slew of other worldwide royals in Westminister Abbey and a carriage ride through London and ye olde balcony appearance at BP.

The idea that more people watched the Sussex wedding is like all the other porkies the Sussex stans utter. All you need to do is look at the crowds in the streets for the Cambridge wedding and in front of BP.

Meghan would have killed for the Cambridge wedding. She couldn't even resist trashing the UK taxpayer while shelled out 30 million or so that Meghan in her spasm of spite said was for the public when we all know that if the Queen had suggested a nice little private wedding you would have heard Meghan's screams of RACISM!! in outer space.

The DM should have out a huge photo up of the wedding with the public price tag underneath and the words, You're Welcome, Meghan!

R166 I looked the stats up for you, you lying cretin.

The Sussex wedding was the 5th most watched royal wedding, including behind the Wessex's, pulling in 11.6 million. The Cambridge wedding pulled in 17.6 million.

I'm sure that pissed off Meghan, too.

The linguistic one is much more fascinating.

R143, What about Prince William who is a male cancer? He was the first one who spoke up and usually the royals are silent.

[quote]The Sussex wedding was the 5th most watched royal wedding

To be fair, social media wasn't really a factor in the other weddings; if you wanted to see the wedding, you had to watch it on TV.

[quote]William is an alpha and Harry is a beta. Harry will never apologize but William will forgive him anyway.

William will NEVER forgive Harry for what he's put him and his wife and family through. You can take that to the bank.

r165 is delusional.

Harry is the one who looks at risk for suicide. He has the body language of an abused spouse. He has a long history of mental health issues and is extremely isolated now.

I hope I'm wrong about this but your post at r175 made me think of something. I think we all agree Haz is the dimmer one of the two, limited job experience. I see Haz - if ever MM pulls a fast one and leaves - going off the deep end. He's just so ingratiating to MM, she runs the show, etc. I don't see how Harry will ever be the same person who boarded that plane back in London for his fateful trip to Canada (then onwards to L.A.). He seems to be losing credibility, he's an international joke now. I think to compound this dwindling reputation with a divorce would be the end of Harry, I think.

[quote]And he will probably ban his two sons from ever setting foot (in a private setting) in the US, at the very least in the West Coast.

Oh hon, this is not the time of the Plantagenets. Wills is gonna be lucky to just ascend to the throne.

I love how the stans portray the Sussexes as these brave young innocents who are going to carve out a brilliant future in America, when in reality they are already middle-aged and their star power is dimming fast. In 10 years, maybe less, nobody will give a shit about these two.

The bit about the 'private ceremony just for us' was so insulting. You know Meghan was the one who pushed for the big wedding, the big veil, the carriage ride. If they'd wanted a nice little wedding without the big hullabaloo of course they could have had it. The family was willing to let her go on acting, for Chrissakes. She ASKED to be a working royal and she ASKED for the big wedding. And threw tantrums over scented candles and tiaras and vegan food that tasted too delicious.

R177 - Don't count the Windsors out too soon. That mistake has been made before. If Charles steps aside for William (and I don't want to get into another argument about how it can't, can't, can't be done - it can, yes it would be complicated, but if Charles, the Queen, Parliament, and the CW agree, it gets done), William will be closer than anyone supposes now.

No, it's not the Plantagenets but one reason it continues to fascinate is precisely because the same issues that arose amongst Henry II's sons, and then the Wars of the Roses a couple of centuries later, and then in the early 19th century when the race to see whose baby would be born first and get the throne (Victoria emerged, er, victorious), the Heir and Spare battle seems never to end. Only the axes, spears, broadswords, and crossbows disappear.

I agree it's doubtful that "bans" of the sort referred to would be necessary. They wouldn't be needed, anyway. No one except the Queen is buying this "family unity" bullshit.

The tide is running against the Sussexes in Britain, and Britain is all that matters to the monarchy. Already, the DM is posting (probably thanks to leaks from the Palace) the "contradictions" in so much of what those two spewed in their quest for vengeance, and asking whether Oprah or CBS are going to investigate the truth behind what they allowed out?

William is known to have a temper, but he appears to be controlling it quite superbly in public, anyway, right now. That engagement a couple of days ago was planned as a solo one for Kate; it was changed to a pair event so that William could protect his wife from the direct, rude questions that, indeed, were thrown out at the couple. I respect him for that.

The media "experts" are citing William answering not one, but two such personal questions, which the royals usually ignore, as an indication of 1) how angry William is, 2) that he won't be shut up as easily as his father, and 3) he's planning a full-scale battle with M&M, which they will lose in the UK.

They will also lose financially. My guess is that Charles, who is a very wealthy man personally, will cut Harry and his children out of anything in his estate. Apart from taking care of Camilla and bequests to charities and the like, William will yet again get the lion's share, if not everything.

The engine that drives the Sussexes is anger, narcissism, victimhood, and spite, and it's impossible to hide. It comes off them like smoke. Their studied aura is kindness, compassion, and concern, but they cannot conceal their vicious desire to hurt, damage, if not ruin, those they think didn't give them enough. And if that takes lying, they're fine with that.

It really isn't possible to hide that kind of bone-deep persona. Writing a few checques to charities (partnering, as they call it), syrupy podcasts, and what are increasingly silly personal photographs can't hide their essential anger. Meghan's is tied to ambition, and Harry's closely guarded but titanic rage is tied to Oedipal and sibling shit.

William lost his mother, too. He is only two years older than Harry. And, yet, William today seems as if he is a generation ahead of his brother in maturity.

R165, William is going to be king and head of state. His son will be king, his eldest grandchild will be monarch. Harry is nothing. Harry could have done some good things, but he chose not to. But Harry will never be more than William.

I should add re the stats on whose wedding stacked up on live television viewing, in Britain more people tuned into the Cambridge wedding; in America, more people tuned in to the Sussex wedding, but the difference in America was only a few million. The bride, of course, was American.

But so far, no wedding, NONE, has beaten the Wales wedding in 1981 - even without social media and streaming, the Wales wedding pulled in 750 million people live TV on the day, around the globe.

But in Britain, even the Wessex wedding pulled in more than the Sussex wedding did.

^*And, as people keep noting, where the monarchy is concerned, only Britain's view counts.

[quote] How much do you think they got for their Netflix deal?

They claim up to $100 million but more likely in the $2 million ballpark. And it's probably contingent on the success of their programming. Businesses don't just give you millions of dollars because you're famous. Meghan and Harry don't quite understand that. Still I think that the deal is cover for Charles to funnel them money.

Harry is not going to change, R180. Charles has been planning a soft landing for him for years, well before Meghan. He is a very limited and stunted person and she will dump him soon.

How do we think Oprah funneled them a cut, R184?

Seems like Harry would like a relationship with William, but I doubt it will ever be close to the same. Seems like the relationship with Charles is burned (Harry & Charles).

Here's the "Behavior Panel" analyzing (body language) the Oprah interview. All 4 panelists are Caucasian men and I don't think they always get it right. E.g., in another video, I saw them analyze an attractive women who was "crying" with no tears and they didn't even notice she had no tears.

The guy on the lower left is usually pretty "nice," but he's pretty dismissive of H & M. The guy on the lower right is British, but doesn't really offer extra insight.

Also wanted to add that both Harry and Oprah look busted. My God, what happened to them? Should they have filmed in a well-lit studio, instead? (Was it the outdoor lighting?) Not sure what happened to Oprah, she looks like she just got out of bed (face looks like she's groggy). Harry looks weathered and rough.

Meghan looked like she had mascara stains from tears.

How come Harry doesn't get much flak for being in his 30s, complaining about getting cut off, financially, from Charles. Also complaining that he had to use the money Diana left him. He really seems dumb.

Especially when that declaration was utter horseshit. It was reported at the time they would be supported for a year while they worked out their life in LA, and the article in the Mail says that this was carried out: Harry was given a large lump sum payment and promised more if he needed it. Which was more than he probably deserved, given that he quit his job and left the country that had supported him since he first drew breath.

At the end of the video at R187, the guys give their view as to who in the RF made the statement about skin color. They think it was either Charles or William, and the weight of the evidence that they discuss says that it is Charles. What "evidence"? When Harry starts to answer Oprah's question, he makes a little "ha-ha-ha" deflection sound, something Charles often does, and he drops his California mannerisms. His British accent thickens, and he describes the encounter with a prissy upper-class tone (it was "awkward and a bit shocking"). He's thinking of, and mimicking, Charles.

This is consistent with the Sussexes' attempt to copy Diana's Panorama interview: they're threatening to show that Charles is "unfit" to be King. Unless, of course, he absolves himself by giving them more money.

They should be praying that Charles doesn't step aside for William. Charles still has a father's guilt and a father's instincts, and he might forgive Harry in time and open the royal wallet. It's looking more and more like King William V will never do that, particularly if Harry is still married to Meghan.

R192, glad you watched that Behavior Panel interview. Yes, those guys seem to be talking out of their asses sometimes, but still interesting.

Oprah went to the wedding of H & M. I don't think she was objective at all. Oprah went really easy on them as I predicted she would.

R192 it really does seem like a shakedown attempt, especially with them immediately making clear it wasn’t the Queen or Phillip. No point in doing that except to narrow the focus to the two next in line to the crown.

Harry had better hope Charles lives as long as the Queen has, because if William takes the throne in the next decade he’s not going to handle his brother with a soft touch

I think the interview was a quid pro quo for Oprah agreeing to co-produce with them on other projects. Otherwise, I don’t think Oprah would waste her time working with them. Essentially both sides sold something and won something. Oprah won the first interview with the happy couple, and paid for it by agreeing to guide Harry through on of his dumb TV projects, and the Sussexes won credibility from the chance to co-produce with Oprah, but had to pay for it with the only celebrity currency they have of any value: gossip about the Royal Family.

Shame but you reap what you sow

[quote]R64 Charlotte is the spitting image of the Queen.

Well, that’s not a look many dream of having, to be honest.

Of course the brothers will speak again. This whole thing is more dramatic to those of us watching from the outside than it is to the BRF.

They’re annoyed... but then they’re always annoyed about something.

It's really a shame. They were close. Leave it to Meghan Ono to destroy their relationship. Diana is turning in her grave.

Look, when a racist shows you who they are, believe them.

And when a psycho dishonest borderline shows you who they are, believe them as well.

I love OP's raised on tabloids take. These are people. Actual family members. You have no idea how any of them are reacting to this stuff. Stop being so obsessed by tabloid bullshit.

I am sure there is general annoyance all around. That's about all you can read into. For all we know, they are speaking or texting or sharing stupid memes as often as any adult siblings you know. They probably also follow each other on burner/alt/private accounts.

Tabloid think is not real. It is designed to sell papers or create clicks.

The entire family has to be very careful now about any communications with Harry and Meghan, who can’t be trusted.

The British royals better read the tea leaves.

That's actually not a bad take at r205. I like Heseltine, generally. But he's not predicting the end of the monarchy, he's advising that they guard against letting in too much "light" in terms of tabloid and media coverage, and dispense with some of the grandeur and grandiosity that seems to stick with the British royals as opposed to their continental counterparts, who have shaken most of this off over the last century.

How juvenile, R12. Is that your age?

[quote]R206 he's advising that they guard against letting in too much "light" in terms of tabloid and media coverage

So, they should become MORE secretive?

Is that even possible??

The latest yougov poll showed that people haven't fallen in love with Harry and Meghan - now they rank at the bottom slightly above prince Andrew. Americans may have gobbled up their lies but the rest of the world sees through the bullshit. The Royal family will be fine but Harry and Meghan will have to rely on their USA fans because the family is done with them.

Everyone here hates them.

I'm positive that Americans have not "gobbled up their lies." The paid stans, bots and media invested in a little frenzy do not represent us.

The BRF has retained an outside law firm to investigste the bullying accusations against Markle; meanwhile, she's demanding the RF send her all "relevant" emails etc. Good luck Harkles!

[quote]r209 the family is done with them. Everyone here hates them.

If the rest of the BRF “hate” M&H then that group’s certainly incapable of looking at their own faulty behavior, aren’t they? What a pack of myopic babies.

You misread my comment - I was speaking about my country. It only really matters what Britain and the commonwealth think of them . America doesn't really matter in respect to the royal family.

Over here and I expect most other commonwealth countries, the Queen is highly respected.

If she can’t keep her own family together how can she do that for a whole country?

She’s failed.

Most people have dealt with nasty, abusive family so I don't think anyone is judging the Queen over that.

But she’s also their boss. Get it together, gurl!

I have little doubt that William and Harry are still in contact with each other by phone. No one knows the real story but them so coming up with conjecture from the crap that comes out of the media is worthless.

I agree.

Rolls eyes at R100.

r216 don't bet on that. At all. I would gather they've had no contact whatsoever in a long time, maybe even since H&M left the UK last year. William intensely dislikes Megs and vice versa. Both are high-order bitches.

The relationship probably took a (natural) hit when William married. That can cause siblings to not have as much time for each other as they once did.

Huh? Kate welcomed and loved Harry, and he considered her a sister he never had. They did engagements and initiatives together, and were close. And enter Markle, who couldn't tolerate Harry being close ymto anyone but her.

You haven't been following this story, have you?

And now we’re seeing just how deep William and Kate’s love for Harry went.

Do you know the term “fair weather friends”?

R194 Oprah wasn’t gonna get the interview any other way, period, end of.

I wish he’d married Chelsy, so all we’d have to do is good-naturedly rag on her wanton demeanor and vulgar outfits. I hate all this heavy “bring down the monarchy” stuff.

It’s too bad you care more about finding an opportunity to slag on yet another woman than exposing racism.

R225 God you’re a bore.

I don’t know why Harry didn’t tell Granny of this was going on before he skipped town. She might have paid him off, which is clearly what he wants

R225 haha FOH with your clownish sanctimony

Meghan said that Kate is "a good person." If she wanted Kate under the same fire as William, she wouldn't have said that. I think she truly feels sorry for Kate.

My money is on Charles asking about Archie's skin color. William is doing what he was brought up to do; I doubt he sees any way out, and anyway, he gets to be king. Maybe that's what he cares most about in the long run.

[quote]R226 I don’t know why Harry didn’t tell Granny of this was going on before he skipped town.

How do you know he didn’t?

r166, why would you lie like that?

[quote] America doesn't really matter in respect to the royal family.

It does now that Meghan and Harry left the royal family and are living in the US and see it as their #1 market.

The whole point of the interview was to make her seem more sympathetic and martyring to the US market and to US celebrities, and in that she succeeded. She doesn't give a shit about the UK or the Commonwealth, which is a good thing from her POV.

R229 he said he didn’t. Not the suicidal thoughts, not the supposed racist skin color questioning. He was very keen to make sure people know she’s not a villain in any way.

Ha ha didn't work.

r46 I hope they have more.Maybe even unexpected royal twins like the danish crown prince and his wife.

R205 what that article proposes is no focus on anyone but the heir. No more roles for grandchildren and aunts and cousins, just the monarch and direct heir. It makes sense, not having the royal family be such a business would solve a lot of their problems

The BRF never does anything quickly. No doubt the ultimate goal is a very streamlined royal family, whittled down over a couple of generations. THAT was the purpose in not making Archie or his sister HRH Prince/Princess. Quite likely, none of Charlotte's nor Louis' children will get those titles either. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Charles issued new letters patent to that effect during his reign: Only the direct heir and the oldest child of the heir or heir's heir will be Prince/Princess HRH.

But now it's all been called into question because Meghan is butthurt over her kids not getting titles, even though the lack of a title bestows far more freedom.

They shan’t work together again.

[quote]The whole point of the interview was to make her seem more sympathetic and martyring to the US market and to US celebrities, and in that she succeeded.

Well, briefly at least. Be interesting to see how long Meghan's Life Matter actually holds what public imagination it's been able to reel in.

She'll only hold attention if she keeps spilling secrets OR manages to produce watchable content. Her value to the public is predicated on her entertainment value.

In order to have a successful career from all this, Meghan is going to have to be able to work with and form connections with people. She doesn't seem capable of that. I predict them running out of money within a couple of years given that they seem to want to live an outlandish lifestyle.

Harry has made it clear: he's already had to dip into principal!

If they had any lucrative upcoming netflix or spotify content, they would have promoted the shit out of it during the interview but .... crickets.

Just because Netflix offer you a deal, doesn't mean you get the money without providing anything, but Harry is not used to that kind of arrangement.

The Times on Sunday says that Chaz was shocked Hazbo complained he was "cut off financially" because Chaz has been passing him money from his personal account regularly.

Nobody but Saudis, Russians and morons make long-term deals with squealers and back stabbers, even when it's warranted. Check out how the actresses who shouted their specific "Me too!"s have fared. See what happens to the careers of whistleblowers. Blowing up these last bridges might have given them some short term attention but is going to come back to buttfuck them. No lube.

Kate's fucked up again. Trending for all the wrong reasons. The Brf will continue to free fall because they employ people who are so out of touch (especially their pr) they don't even realise it it. The performative 'let's be seen with as many black people as we can' sideshow this week has been embarrassing and laughed at on every social media platform known to man. It's just made things worse. Kates headlines turning a woman's murder into a how great Kate is fest pretty much sums up how deluded the Brf are. And trust me Kate is getting ripped apart on Social media.

Who cares what a bunch of Americans say about the BRF on social media, r245?

It’s funny how M&H are accused of monetizing the situation, as William and Kate are out and about, obviously scrambling to save their own jobs with appearances that mean nothing to them.

Yeah right, they are “saving their jobs”. (bigass eyeroll)

[quote] Harry will always be the one with the star appeal. William will always be jealous of that and for his making his own life and forging his place in history. Harry is a legend in the making.

Mary!

Go take a cold shower!

[quote] Who cares what a bunch of Americans say about the BRF on social media, [R245]?

Ah, the irony.

r245 Try to comprehend that social media especially twitter is not representative of public opinion.If it was brexit ,Trump Presidency and 4 tory general election wins would not have happened.

Looks like Megbots are determined to go down with the ship.

I don't normally watch videos posted by randoms like the one linked at R171, but language is my field, so ....

His analysis is interesting and credible. Meghan's lucky that most people probably only watched clips or Oprah reaction memes or read recaps and took their umbrage based on the incendiary claims. On the whole, as always, she comes across as inauthentic. Not only for the ways described in the language analysis, but also for her corporate speak. She actually said "He and I were very aligned on our cause-driven work."

So many FFs to give out, so little time...

I wouldn't take anything the Graun says about the monarchy and its imminent end too seriously. It can never hide that its fingers are hopefully crossed when it prints this stuff.

If you weren't around for the fallout from the Death of the People's Princess future 25 years ago, all the same dire predictions were made. This is the end!!!!! And that time, the Queen herself was trashed.

And here they are, with Charles celebrating 15 years of marriage with Camilla. And the air is already leaking quickly out of the Sussex Sucker Punch balloon.

The Queen has called in an external law firm to conduct the internal bullying probe and Meghan is already "demanding" to see the emails and texts.

The monarchy still enjoys the support of a majority of Britons. The air is already also leaking put of th the Indy/Ref 2 balloon according to the polls. The EU made a horrendous mess of its vaccine campaign.

The hysteria headlines on lots of shit keeps turning out to say more about who printed them than who or what they're about.

The monarchy will go when at least 75% of Britons want them gone. And the stats are a very very very long way from that.

Fuck off, R245.

It's so hard to stay in the headlines in the US. Harry and Meghan need a better strategy than just started trouble with their family and former country. They need to make something interesting and new... and actually make something themselves and they don't seem capable.

Is the strategy success and "winning", or is it really just "revenge"? I think Meghan is running their PR and it's a very High School insecure girl strategy- Javinka and Gayle dropping insidious hints against her "enemy", printing a Jan 2020 email where SHE looks like a bigger asshole to try and prove her point... FINALLY hiring a producer after a prompt from the Hollywood Reporter.

They're broke, aren't they?

R256 - Second that.

I do love the people talking trash about Kate's PR walk to support the fracas around Everard's murder, whilst conveniently forgetting Meghan in South Africa making a "secret" visit to the memorial to the young woman who had been raped and killed, and somehow . . . there was a photographer on hand to capture the moment Meghan tied a ribbon on the memorial fence!!!

Just as their was to catch Meghan and Harry seemingly completely ALONE in that veteran's cemetery around Remembrance Day - except for a photographer!!!

And then when they planted flowers in a school garden last August to commemorate Diana's death . . . complete with photographer! When, as parents loudly complained, they themselves couldn't get in!!!!

It's a deadly heinous thing when Kate does it - but perfectly all right when Meghan does it, right, Pet, dear?

In fact, Kate's was at least quiet and classy, and, as it happens, there was no large security brigade with her.

And, lastly, R245 - if they're so far on the wrong path, WHY THE FUCK IS KATE THE THRID MOST POPULAR ROYAL IN BRITAIN WITH FAVOURABILITY RATINGS AROUND 70% WHILST FUCKING MEGHAN THE RICH WHINGER RANKS BEHIND FUCKING CAMILLA?

Nice try, though, R245.

As R256 said - Fuck right off with your asinine attempts to rearrange the truth.

^*just as there (not their) was . . . before I get an Oh, Dear

R225 How old are you? Twelve?

I was quite interested in today's two DM storied: William has been in "contact" with his brother, and Charles despite his "profound" hurt is going to try to heal the "unbridgeable" rift over the next few weeks.

IF the stories are true (and I wouldn't assume that on any account), I cannot figure out if the BRF are very clever or very blinkered. On the one hand, the stories raise some alarm bells about the BRF's ability to accept that Harry is 1) married to a vindictive sociopath who is never going to be anything but a threat to them, and 2) if they couldn't do anything about Harry's rage and petulance over the last 20 years, what makes Charles think he can change things over "the next few weeks"?

On the other hand, it's also true that one of Meghan's primary aims in bailing so quickly was to sever Harry's relationships with his blood family, leaving him entirely under her control and influence, and entirely dependent on her for love, affection, and connection.

So, any "healing of rifts" that leaves the path back to the BRF open to Harry is a threat, by her lights, to Meghan's power here. In that sense, the moves might make sense.

I can also hang with a deliberately curated image of a forgiving, loving family trying to hold itself together.

What I can't hang with is that the BRF really are behind the scenes still totally in denial about what these two did to them a week ago - what it means, what it says about Harry and Meghan, and how allowing Meghan, especially, back in the fold is like Red Riding Hood inviting the Wolf home for dinner (and, remember, in the fable, Gran WAS dinner - perhaps someone should remind HM of the story).

I also note that the announcement of TQ calling in an external law firm to carry out the probe into the bullying accusations came right on the heels of Gayle King threatening the BRF with Meghan's "receipts" about "racism" . . .

We have receipts, too, says the Queen pleasantly, and they won't do Meghan any favours when they're finally leaked.

So perhaps the BRF aren't backing down but playing it cool.

I do love how Meghan "demanded" to see the emails and texts - this isn't a trial where exhibits and witness lists and evidence are exchanged. So far as I know, Meghan has no right to that material whatsoever. In these sorts of investigations, it is the staff who are expected to be protected.

Meghan has also shown she cannot be trusted with such material, anyway. Those staffers would be getting death threats 24 hours later by Meghan's devoted humanitarian stans, as Meghan leaks their names through one of he PR pals.

This time, Megsy dear, you're going to be on the receiving end. And 5RB Chambers and/or Schillings won't be able to help you do an end run around the truth.

R225 - Darling, it's Meghan who's been ragging on other women.

R225 is maybe right about one thing, I didn't mean to go so hard on Chelsy. She actually seems like a good gal, and Harry always looked very relaxed with her. Too bad he was too young to marry when they were together.

Those of you who still defend this family have no problem with the royals having an agreement with the tabloids?

After M revealed that the tabloid press and the Firm have an agreement and that the palace holds holiday parties and pays for holidays parties for the tabloids you still are holding firm on absolving Willy and Kate of wrongdoing? It was either them or Andrew with the help of Sarah and any dirt she can dig up.

Harry was lucky to get out, having the tabloids looking over your shoulder waiting for you to do something they can blackmail you for sounds like a horrible way to live life. It also sounds a lot like what Andrew was already living by being associated with Epstein. I wonder how those two things (the royal tabloid agreement and Epstein) could be related. Hmmmmmmm.

If anyone was to walk into the bathroom after The Queen took a massive dump, they’d find the room would not smell like perfume or bakery fresh cinnamon roles.

This whole situation should remind people the BRF are no different than most families at the end of the day. My own mother has done things that qualify as unforgivable, but we always reconcile because family is family. I know it makes for a good soap opera, but William and Charles won’t remain estranged from Harry. Meghan’s pretty valuable in that regard...any untoward behavior exhibited by Harry can be attributed to his “manipulative wife.” (even though I think there’s enough blame to go around)

r261 why would you believe anything in the UK press? The press and royal family have a deal, the press gets access for stories favoring whatever story line the royals want. They can write anything they want to, and they do. They spin the stories however they want as long as the royals give them access and you still choose to believe what they write?

[quote] She actually said "He and I were very aligned on our cause-driven work."

Ugh, who talks like that?

great article r205

[quote]To dragoon an entire cohort of “minor royals” to this cause was always going to be unfair to the point of cruelty. Most European monarchs seem desperate to help their children live normal lives. They do not force them – and pay them – to be daily in the public eye as colonel of this regiment and patron of that charity. British royals are like Louis XIV’s aristocrats, locked up in Versailles, enduring an exquisite form of torture.

[quote]Prince Charles is known to want a “slimmed down” royal family. That is insufficient. He should dispense with it altogether. He should dismantle it as an official entity of state. He should guard his son and heir and tell the rest that, after a painful transition, they are on their own. They can do anything they like. The British constitution has no role for this latter-day Stuart retinue of courtiers. If monarchy is to survive at all, as an unobjectionable symbol of statehood, it should concentrate all its efforts on one goal: being boring.

It is cruel to just kick royal members out if you had not prepared or warned them for that eventual day. Unless you give them the funds to live on so they can make some kind of business or new start for themselves, how are they to generate income? This is what Harry faced, he wanted a military career, they told him no. He didn't study a profession at university, so he's very lucky, if this is what Charles is going to do, to have taken the step on his own with a wife who is ready and willing to make a new start with him.

No, r268. Charles suggested Harry stay in the army. Harry made the decision to leave.

The allegation that the BRF cozies up to the press comes from MM. Given her track record, it’s likely exaggerated. I do think they have some sort of relationship with the press.

I thought Harry could not pass the exams to advance in the military. It was widely written about, and having watched him speaking the other night, not at all hard to believe.

[quote]It’s too bad you care more about finding an opportunity to slag on yet another woman than exposing racism.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time, dear. We can slag off a lying harridan like the DoS AND be anti-racist. The two things can co-exist, they're not mutually exclusive.

He didn't have to advance, R270. He could have stayed where he was. But he probably found that idea humiliating and expected to rise in the ranks without actual competence.

[quote]After M revealed that the tabloid press and the Firm have an agreement

"M revealed" - ? That's your standard of reality? There's nothing that comes out of Meghan's mouth that shouldn't be triple checked for veracity. At this point I'd believe the tabloids over her, ANY DAY, which says a lot. And others are moving toward that belief as well.

[quote]and that the palace holds holiday parties and pays for holidays parties for the tabloids you still are holding firm on absolving Willy and Kate of wrongdoing?

Holiday parties cookouts tropical vacations in Bali the palace the tabs what?? Word salad from a word twister. Where is the full-on proof that BP actually throws holiday parties specifically for the Tabloid press? And what do William & Kate specifically have to do with it?

They have an annual meet-and-greet press day, at BP, for journalists including some of those from the red tops. They have meet-and-greets for other industries as well. It's part of their JOB.

[quote]It was either them or Andrew with the help of Sarah and any dirt she can dig up.

Andrew what?? Sarah FERGUSON can't pull up her fucking KNICKERS straight after a whizz, never mind dig up "dirt" on anyone. You think these two morons are sitting around obsessing over the Sussexes? They have way bigger problems hon.

[quote] We can slag off a lying harridan like the DoS AND be anti-racist.

You're trying way too hard.

If they’re broke, R257, how are they (she/he/they) able to afford all this litigation they’re pursuing and/or contemplating?

I enjoy the megstans being read for filth, something they deserve for backing shoddy liars

Annus horribilis? More like mensis horribilis.

That does seem to be his MO, R272. I expect it is not the MO of Netflix however.

How are they affording all the PR is what I wonder, R275.

Named Klan Posters

Please F & F any posts by the following:

SurvivingAngel

Dex

UKGuy

Zemen-wanbuis

Dutchie

Della

Edvard

Egalandy

BonniePrinceCharlie

brandonjoseph

The poster who calls everyone 'pet'

The poster who talks about narcisssism or BPD/borderlines

[QUOTE] thought Harry could not pass the exams to advance in the military.

He rose to the rank of captain and was a helicopter pilot in Afghanistan. I doubt anyone of you Klan wretches can even drive a car.

William will talk to his brother. No matter the differences, the brotherly love will be there. However, his wife and children may not be so forgiving. That is how life generally is and will be.

Dumbass Kate was wandering about in a crowd of people without a mask and a photographer was there to take pictures! She always gets it wrong.

[QUOTE] In order to have a successful career from all this, Meghan is going to have to be able to work with and form connections with people. She doesn't seem capable of that. I predict them running out of money within a couple of years given that they seem to want to live an outlandish lifestyle.

You mean 'extravagant' not 'outlandish', illiterate fool. Meghan just brokered herself two huge deals so she already proved you wrong.

I can believe that William and Harry will never really be close again. But they have almost a professional responsibility to put up a cordial front for the world (after the dust settles on the Oprah interview).

It seems like Harry is truly sad about the rifts. He lost a lot. Alas, he is dumb and weak.

He had the body language of an abused spouse and the long pause about what he likes about his llife now was telling. I think he probably misses the world he knew, playing polo with his brother and drinking with Skippy. He was not long ago proud to say his family would be the family Markle never had. Narcs are chaos vectors.

[quote]He rose to the rank of captain and was a helicopter pilot in Afghanistan. I doubt anyone of you Klan wretches can even drive a car.

Harry flunked his exams at Eton and had to have his former teacher cheat and take them for him, idiot. Being the Klan Granny Troll does a number on one's IQ and ability to reason, apparently.

Masks are not required outdoors in the UK R283. Catherine was not "wandering around", she layed flowers at the memorial, stood all of 10 seconds, and quickly left. It might be shocking! to you, but the death of the young woman in London is a big news, and writers and photogs are covering it.

[quote]You mean 'extravagant' not 'outlandish', illiterate fool. Meghan just brokered herself two huge deals so she already proved you wrong.

She sure did. Then went on national television and sobbed that her senior citizen father-in-law was a terrible man for not paying for her private security. Even though those deals were worth millions, and she bought an estate the size of Versailles with the funds.

No, "outlandish" is the perfectly correct word to use here.

It's one of them, lol, R289. While her husband's grandfather, 99, is in the hospital, she seized the moment as a time to act out and shake down. Astonishing is another word that comes to mind. Among others.

Staggering, stupefying, farcical and preposterous help cover it.

Thanks, R291!

Rumors have come out that this happened in Charles' home and at Amner Hall and also involved a photo of one of the children. There is also a rumor that MM referred to toddler Charlotte as "fat" when the bridesmaids dress did not fit.

........

I don't believe MM called Charlotte "fat." Other things, I can believe, but not that.

It was said that the dress did not fit as one story. The other recounting at the time was that Markle was rude to the nanny who was also there, re: Charlotte, and Kate stepped in. In recent recountings of who was present it was reiterated that the dress did not fit, and the nanny was not included in the recounting of who was present. More will leak out in time, undoubtedly. I thought the story of Kate writign a note and bringing flowers to smooth things over was from that book?

So much for their fucking service.

More debate about a stupid dress than any charity work.

Burn the whole institution to the ground. Vive la France!

Sure seemed to be the goal, eh? Although mb in their delusions they thought that performance would trigger titles and funds to be showered on them. Who knows? They are both minimally connected to reality.

I think the marriage will officially be on the rocks within the year unless the biz deals really take off. She needs to get out while he still has some $ to go after. They can't afford the house now but he is gonna be paying for it for a LONG time.

Harry genuinely does not seem to have come to terms with the reality that his brother will be King of England one day and he will not. He does not seem to have set himself up for a career or any typical adult life. Once he is Markled, then what? It is a hereditary monarchy, this has always been the reality. Even his wingman Skippy grew up and settled down, Harry continues to tantrum and pout like an emotionally dysregulated child.

Is Markus the hand behind it all, as he seemed to be at Invictus in Toronto? Megs has to be strategizing with someone and it is not Dim. It seems long ago that the BRF shut down the Sussex Royale insta but pretty sure I recall merching for Soho House branded items. Seems likely that we will see more of that, esp if he IS staying with them. She has more or less cut ties with JM even though she left a young baby with JM while she travelled. Markus has had staying power and he seems a bit more successful when it comes to brand promo.

I would love to live in a world where I could, without thought, irony or shame, say in all seriousness things like 'since Meghan revealed...'

No, Markle has not cut ties with Jessica the Racist Mulroney; JM thanked her for the bday flowers. Sussex Land.

[quote]There is also a rumor that MM referred to toddler Charlotte as "fat" when the bridesmaids dress did not fit.

I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for Meg's chances now. You thought Phil the Greek was ruthless? You ain't seen nothing yet.

R265 - Walter Bagehot, who wrote the book on how to run a successful constitutional monarchy, said that a royal marriage is simply the princely edition of a universal fact.

The obverse is true, as well: royal family dysfunction is simply the princely edition of another universal fact.

The problem for the Windsors is that the entire world knows, rather than just the neighbours.

No one really supposes that the Queen's doesn't stink. The real point is that whether or not it does isn't relevant to why she commands the aura that she does.

Meghan and Harry are second rank players who wanted to be first rank players. But they haven't got the aura, they never will. They may have lots of money in time, but what they wanted underneath it all, and they probably aren't even honest with themselves about that, is something they can never have: the Queen's aura, glittering with historic jewels, weekly meetings with the PM, the opening of Parliament, cloaked in tradition, respected . . .

It's not an accident that they tried to obtain, as their private home, living in Windsor Castle. One can just imagine Meghan imagining herself striding the turrets and looking up that long driveway and thinking, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . .

The Queen, naturally, said No Fucking Way. But you can have Frogmore Cottage a half mile away. I'll wave to you from the parapet of a morning . . .

And that's the paradigm of the thing gnawing at the Sussex's souls: Meghan wanted Windsor Castle, not Frogmore Cottage. She wants what the Queen has but she can never have it.

She can have the Queen's grandson, and some of the Queen's money, and the Queen's last name, and the ducal title the Queen have her hubby -

But she's not the Queen's class and she knows it, and that's why Meghan will never have Windsor Castle.

And most galling of all, one day, William and Kate WILL be living in Windsor Castle.

Meghan is eaten up with one sort of rage, and Harry with another.

Together they make what I think the "Fantastic Beasts" mythology calls an "obscurus": a parasite composed of malign shadow generated by rage and destroying everything around in its way.

No wonder Meghan hated Frogmore Cottage.

I had no idea there was a story about MM taking pictures of Charlotte on her first meeting William and Kate. She must have thought the relationship would be short lived to be doing something that risky.

^*the Queen gave (not have) her hubby

R303 put up a post before I could post my edit. So it should have been

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R302 R304

Excellent post, R302.

R303, it was said to have happened earlier re: a private part of Charles' home and later when they stayed with the Cambridges at Amner Hall over Christmas, so into the relationship, not early re: Charlotte.

That's been going around for a very long time. Meghan took photos of Charlotte at Amner Hall over Christmas and that was the last time H&M probably set foot in there. When she referenced her phone taken in the interview. It is thought that Cambridge security took her phone and scrubbed it as it was a security issue for the children. She also has been keeping a detailed journal of every moment of her interactions with the royals since day one. That was probably the PG version of the Finding Freedom.

R307, R308 it’s just such bizarre behavior. Even if she wants to claim she knew nothing of the royal family, that behavior would have gotten her banned from even the B list celebs she knew.

Charlotte seems like a very ordinary, unremarkable child. All of their children do and I would never want them on my phone.

She was also said to have taken photos in private quarters of Charles.

The staying at Amner Hall was due to pressure from Charles I thought. The Queen included Meghan at Christmas, which had never been done before someone officially married in, not for Kate nor for Mike Tindall. But, any inch with people like this is an opportunity.

One wonders what she intended to do with photos of private quarters? Didn't one end up in People magazine? Thought it was of Amner Hall...so much drama under the bridge, hard to keep all the details straight.

[quote] Charlotte seems like a very ordinary, unremarkable child.

Exactly, so like any friendly, normal kid, she followed Meghan around the house who decided to photograph her without her parents permission. I think that would be bizarre to do on any first meeting with anyone's kids, royal or not.

The Meghan Derangement syndrome is getting out of hand. If you don’t like the bitch, fine, but it’s quite telling most of these stories aren’t linked to (and I’m 100% sure if they were, they’d come from an anonymous source quoted in a Daily Mail column).

The deeper you get in the Royal Family you'll find it's just as corrupt and conniving as any other for profit business. They lie, they cheat, they connive, all for the sake of keeping the monarchy in force.

Why can't we speculate and discuss the gossip rumors r313? Unclench, this is a gossip board.

How is our speculation different from publicly accusing your in-laws of hiding your phone, license and passport from you, keeping you from leaving your house, and keeping you from going to a doctor or mental hospital? Fair is fair.

I do not think I have seen this one discussed.

R313 you’re way too effected by people gossiping on a gossip board. Take a Xanax

R315, fun is fun, but stating things as fact without attribution means anything can be thrown out there as if it were gospel. Meghan seems scheming, insincere, and even narcissistic...but now people are pretending she went around snapping clandestine photos of Charles’ private quarters and the Cambridge children. Where does it end? I’m willing to take some hits if it means a few people out there remember the importance of asking for the sources of information.

Despite the standard Trump established the past 4 years, outright lies about one’s enemies aren’t acceptable.

R316, this one is very interesting .

Why are your posts soooo loooooong, R302?

I'm dying for the story about Meghan throwing a teapot at a staffer during the Australian leg of the tour to appear in the papers.

Just a matter of time .....

R318, I'm with you. Sometimes the purported actions are discussed here as fact (like the private pictures or the tea throwing), which is annoying.

Eventually, some of the gossip stuff does come to light, for example the kerfuffle at the flower girl fitting, which was first just a "sources tell me" kind of story until Meghan admitted that something did happen, or the tiara ado, which was dealt with in Finding Freedom (and I assume is based on Meghan's info).

Everyone down here in AU/NZ was talking about the tea incident at the time - it was common knowledge. Somebody in Australia House leaked it. Several months later all accounts of the event were scrubbed from the internet.

r318's post is without a hint of irony, considering what we were subjected to last weekend.

R318, a lot of the stories are from newspapers who cite "sources". Sure, you can argue that "sources" could mean made-up but if you understand the context of the media, the British and even Australian tabloids, you can easily begin to tell which stories are true, even if perhaps exaggerated, and which pure speculation.

The pure speculation ones are obvious, as they say things like "Harry and Meghan have been house-hunting in Hollywood. They might move into a house like this, based on other houses in this area." The ones that are based in truth usually give hard information such as places, events, dates, quotes, narrative accounts - the kinds of things that, if they were false you can bet that the paper would be sued for libel for. For example, the abuse allegations. There are enough stories of different incidents, with enough hard information, for it to be safe to conclude that Meghan is a bitchy type who has an inflated sense of her own importance and is abusive towards staff and perhaps other people (e.g. Kate, Charlotte).

We even have photos at events which could be interpreted in this way, especially since she wasn't aware the camera was on her. Now we also have an investigation into the allegations that she was abusive to Palace staff. The idea that she could also have taken clandestine photos of Charles' living quarters and William's kids is not far-fetched within this context and fits with what we've seen of her personality and her whole approach to the monarchy.

As has been proven in nearly everything that has been put out there about Meghz, there is at least a small grain of truth at the heart of all of the stories.

[QUOTE] Staggering, stupefying, farcical and preposterous help cover it

You Klan cunts are relentlessly dumb slugs, aren't you? Klan Granny 1 was talking about Meghan's lifestyle being financially ruinous because it was 'outlandish'. You could live in a tent and have an outlandish lifestyle. It has no connotations of expensive, and nor do the words suggested above.

[QUOTE] you’re way too effected by people gossiping on a gossip board

Learn to spell, you dumb whore.

[QUOTE] Charlotte seems like a very ordinary, unremarkable child. All of their children do and I would never want them on my phone.

Charlotte is ugly with a huge club jaw. She's already four foot tall so will be over 6ft when grown.

R318 - Your basic point is fairly taken, but the old adage about smoke/fire also has, as they say, "legs". Reports of Meghan's and Harry's behaviour were not entirely without receipts. The Tiaragate issue was mentioned in a respectable biography of Charles on h is 70th birthday, as was the Meghan Screaming At The Wedding Banquet Chef story. And in fact the reprehensible incident of the other Tiaragate moment was contained in that ridiculous book that the two of them colluded in, Finding Freedom. They made themselves look like the victim of the Queen's dresser - a working-class Scouse, by the way - and one of the Queen's closest confidantes. Why? Because they showed up unannounced, with no appointment, demanding that Ms Kelly drop whatever she was doing, pull the tiara out of the vault so Meghan could try it on. When Ms Kelly refused and asked them to make an appointment as this involved going to the vaults, signing the piece out, etc., etc., Harry hit the ceiling, called his grandmother, and demanded that she "make this happen for my future wife!"

Can anyone imagine William and Kate doing the same thing?! Kate got herself a plastic tiara to practice with.

Under Harry's Hail Fellow Well Met Just Call Me Harry is a full-blown complement of anger, jealousy, resentment, and self-entitlement that his bride not only also shared, but used to hook him.

Everyone knew that the Sussexes collaborated with Omid Scobie, Meghan's universally acknowledged mouthpiece, and its primary author, on that book. Just a glance through it would tell you everything you need to know about who Meghan and Harry are.

Leaks are made through PR staff and other "sources" that media outlets commonly have inside those staff. I wouldn't believe all of them reflexively, but there is enough smoke out there to give rise to assumptions of fire.

It is doubtful that Melissa Touabti would have resigned the moment she returned from that first tour if she hadn't seen and gone through enough to persuade her to give up a plum job. The press release the Palace put out praising her to skies, was undoubtedly in return for an iron-clad NDA to stop Touabti from talking about what she'd seen and heard.

As some of the "men in suits" that Meghan and Harry are always accusing of "not protecting" them glumly said, "It's hard to protect from stories that are, in fact, true."

As it is, the Palace staff covered up as much as it could, and threw the plebs to the wolves in service to Harry and his bitch of a wife.

Yes, fun's fun, but . . . but it's really not all hot air.

R323 - Not at all re the Admiralty House incident. If you google it, you'll find quite a few stories on it. The initial leak was by the wife of someone whose husband worked there. In addition to the tea throwing incident, reports were that Meghan was furious at getting only a wing of the place rather than the whole of it to stay in, and that she incessantly screamed at her husband using extensive profanity that could be heard through closed doors. The Governor General, who witnessed some of Meghan's behaviour toward staff, did exactly what Jobson's biography of Charles at 70 said the Queen had had to do when Meghan screamed at the wedding chef re including egg in one of the vegetarian dishes, when what he'd done is find a very good egg substitute) - taking Meghan aside and saying, "We don't talk to people like that here."

You put that together with how they threw Angela Kelly, the Queen's dresser, under the bus in "Finding Freedom", the bullying reports, the exits of 9 staff members in a short time (including Jason Knauf), and Harry's now legendary, "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!" mantra (which was also in Jobaon's biography of Charles), and a persuasive picture emerged of a predatory, mean, vindictive, self-entitled bitch now passing herself off as a martyred saint.

[quote]You Klan cunts are relentlessly dumb slugs, aren't you? Klan Granny 1 was talking about Meghan's lifestyle being financially ruinous because it was 'outlandish'. You could live in a tent and have an outlandish lifestyle. It has no connotations of expensive, and nor do the words suggested above.

Well haven't we just triggered the grammar whore this morning at r327 lol? OK you're right. But it was still outlandish and financially ruinous.

I'm sorry but I laughed out loud at r328 and r329. Nothing funnier than a triggered Klan Granny Troll. r329 is particularly funny in it's beserk derangement.

[quote] Under Harry's Hail Fellow Well Met Just Call Me Harry is a full-blown complement of anger, jealousy, resentment, and self-entitlement that his bride not only also shared, but used to hook him.

This really says it all.

When she leaves him and takes the kids, plus 1/2 of the crumbs of his fortune, THEN Hazza will genuinely have something to whine about. I think the marriage will not last much longer. She is too old to take much time before moving on.

The unfortunate thing is, William is getting off easy all because he's not married to Meghan. Kate's discipline is awe-inspiring and she has to be one of the most grounded people alive. Harry is a lovable buffoon. But William...there have been plenty of reports about his infidelity and vindictive nature over the years. Yet he gets to play the victim while people chastize nasty, nasty Harry. Give me a break.

[quote]R334 Kate's discipline is awe-inspiring and she has to be one of the most grounded people alive.

And she has THE MOST torturous work load EVER! How DOES she do it ? ? ? The entire nation rests on her shoulders, practically.

R335, when I say grounded, I'm referring to the fact she comes from a loving, stable family, has loyal friends, and only found herself in drama when the tabloids deemed her a useful foil to Meghan. I don't think she's particularly hard-working, but unlike Diana, Meghan, and Fergie she knows what's expected of her and doesn't deviate from the script.

R335, right. Such difficult "work" that H and Megs couldn't hack any bit of it but the paycheck and wardrobe parts, no?

But they were tortured r337! It was unsurvivable! No one ever asked them how they were doing. The meanie British media wrote bad stories about them.

The Queen's bitchy PA wouldn't let Meghz sashay off-site with a priceless diamond tiara when she wanted it, right then! William was a meanie - Kate didn't like Meghz yelling at her kids and snapped and made her cry! Then she brought over crappy flowers. Did I mention William was a meanie? So awful!

The Queen wouldn't take their bratty calls and Bad Dad Charles either. He cut off the slush funds and told them to pay their own way. The wouldn't let Meghz call UBER ffs!! Those chauffeured Range Rovers are so uncomfortable sometimes, chrissakes.

Can't you all have any PITY? Can't you relate??

........

I do not think Harry will attend, the new baby will be the excuse. I doubt very much that Markle will ever set foot in the UK again, ever.

I'd bet those were very, very angry texts. I doubt the relationship is going anywhere positive, anytime soon.

I don’t blame William. Harry threw them all under the bus.

Wonder what those alleged texts said?

My guess:

So

So

That's it then

Yep

Harry will go to the unveiling, Meghan will not, pleading her belly. Harry will stay for as short a time as possible. He and William will stand gravely together and not exchange an unnecessary word. This kind of split takes years to heal, not months: Anyone expecting smiles and hugs at the unveiling is delusional.

If William can’t behave professionally and put on a show of being welcoming, he has no place being a leader some day.

Nothing will heal while Harry is still with Meghan.

I am sure he will r346. That doesn’t mean he will have forgiven Harry.

William and Charles may forgive but they won't ever forget or be able to 100% let it go. They are notoriously thin-skinned and what Harry has done is total betrayal.

So what? He has issues with them, they have issues with him.

Welcome to every family, everywhere.

Meghan had it hard:

-she could not talk candidly.

-when she did talk about how hard it was people mocked her.

-negative press through a racial lens.

-her children not being given titles.

- designing her home, and having the public furious she spent funds ( but paying the queen and Charles and Camilla 60 bajillion a year is ok. Hmm, I wonder why?)

-making fun of how she held her baby.

-she is an actress who likes attention, calling her a narcissist for soaking up the limelight.

-her unpleasant estrangement with her God awful, embarrassing family members being made public.

-having to be the whipping boy to Kate's shadow.

Who wouldn't want to go back to Cali?

I think it's very interesting how isolated Meghan is from her entire family (except her mother), and how she in turn has convinced Harry to isolate himself from his entire family. That is the classic pattern of an abuser. She is keeping him from his brother and father and grandmother, the only people he has ever loved.

What kind of accent did she have back then? She's almost southern.

We’ve had many threads here about detaching from toxic family members.

That’s what Harry’s doing.

R35 0 -Legally, her kid wasn't entitled to a title. William's kids were now the direct line: only great-grandchildren in the direct line get the HRHs. Harry's known this all his life. He let her sit there and lie about it to gullible Americans.

The Queen isn't paid bajillions - it's actually less than "bajillions" and it's not personally and it's not for nothing - she's the nation's Head of State and does lots of shit the government doesn't want to do, and just about everything is in her name. Meghan was a second rank player given an easy life, a free home on the taxpayers' backs and receiving a huge dress allowance from her hubby's rich Papa, after starting out life as a Suitcase Girl on Deal or No Deal.

She does look awkward holding that kid.

Her dress sense WAS awful most of the time, mostly because she insisted on keeping freebies (against policy because it makes it look like the royals are taking advantage of their position) so they weren't tailored to her and didn't fit well.

She only married him for status and fame, not love, so naturally when the going got a bit rough, she bailed. She's thin-skinned and self-entitled.

Frogmore Cottage was a Grade II listed Georgian building one one of the most beautiful private estates in England; the Sussexes were invited to make selection from the Queen's personal art collection, one of the finest in the world, to hang on the walls of their fucking FIVE-BEDROOM home, renovated on someone else's back.

Charles has been floating them for three years to the tune of several million a year.

Nothing is EVER enough for Meghan or Harry.

Press coverage on only a couple of occasions was through a racial lens.

Was Fergies coverage through a racial lens? Here's some sample of how she was personally crucified by the tabloids, especially with body shaming in comparison with tall, svelte, photogenic, blonde, blue-eyed Diana:

The Duchess of Pork

Her Royal Thighness

Frock Horror! (The huge headline on her first outing to Ascot as Andrew's fiancee)

Freebie Fergie

And lastly, the infamous half-naked toe-sucking photos, which the Mail on Sunday held until it new she was up at Balmoral with the children visiting Andrew. They were separated at the time and she was staying on the estate so he could see the kids, and the MoS published the photos THAT morning. She was dressed and out the door back to London with a face like death warmed over within an hour. The photos were splashed all over the world: Paris Match, HOLA, The SUN, The MIRROR - everywhere.

Who wouldn't want to go back to Cali? Well, anyone without any backbone, humour, ability to roll with the punches and see it out, and for whom really a great deal was never enough, and who hated coming second to a future queen, despite knowing full well when she married in that it was a hereditary monarchy.

^* until it knew (not "new").

Just heading off the "Oh, dear"

R333 - Agree except the bit about his fortune. She can't take half of anything he had before the marriage, only what came in after the marriage. Of course, who knows how much of his trust fund will be left by then - especially if he used it as a down payment on the house.

It's interesting how the parallels between H&M mirror what happened when Edward bailed with Wallis. (He also preferred a life of cafe society to doing the sludge work required of the Sovereign).

Edward got a handsome financial settlement from his brother, the new King George VI, upon abdicating, including an allowance in addition to the lump sum payment, which amounted to millions in today's currencies.

But Edward for months after he left kept calling his brother and haranguing him for more money (not unlikely at Wallis's urging). Finally, the King cut off all further calls from his brother.

Sound familiar?

That's what's so interesting about this whole saga: the parallels between H&M and Edward-Wallis; the other parallels between Meghan and Diana, i.e., the narcissism, the saintly outer face and the vengeful, screeching inner harridan; the fury over titles, only in the earlier case it was the wife who was denied, and in current case, it's the kids; the devastating interview that wounded but didn't kill, and impacted negatively in the end . . .

I imagine the Queen at one and the same time is anxious to avoid the "mistakes" of the Edward/Wallis episode, hence not taking their HRHs and titles at the outset (and she probably never will, although they might surrender them voluntarily for a large settlement. On the other hand, she can't be seen to be giving in to blackmail by giving the 7th and 8th in the adjacent line HRHs. On that score . . .

Note that today it is reported that H&M finally stopped using the Sussex Royal coronet insignia at the top of their stationery, replacing it with the Archewell logo.

One wonders if this is a signal of sorts.

We know which side is the lying, disingenuous famewhore. It’s the side that goes to whisper in friendly media’s ears every time their family talks to them. And then the famewhores wonder why their family don’t like to talk to them. Because the thirsty couple’s family feels betrayed every time their (deliberately misrepresented) private interactions get into the news, they stop wanting to have anything to do with them. The grifting pair then pretends to feel aggrieved for the diss, when it was simply a self-fulfilling or actuated conclusion. What else do they expect when every phone call gets reported to Orca and Gayle who then spin it pro-famewhores’ side?

R357- If, big if, there were to be any trust fund money, she would not be entitled to that, would she?

I cannot believe they were stupid enough to use King to leak information about private family conversations.

Do they not realise how this looks? Not just to the public, but to members of the family who could justifiably stop all communication because Meghan and Harry are still using the press to try to blackmail them into giving them the things they want?!

No one in the family has spoken to Meghan yet?! No! You don't say! And why the fuck would they after the bitch trashed the institution, other family members, the country, and lied about why her son didn't get an HRH?

If that bitch were on fire, no one in that family would spit on her to put it out, no matter how many times the Queen (rather unwisely, I think) keeps lamely insisting they're all still much loved members of the family.

Why should they talk to her? It's Harry who is their son, brother, and grandson, not Meghan. It's Harry who keeps calling for money. It's Harry who has the title, not Meghan: she only has it as a courtesy. It's Harry's trust fund, not Meghan's.

It's Harry who sat there and let his wife lie about why his kid didn't get an HRH, about not being supported financially by the family after he kicked them in the teeth, and with whom all the family negotiations took place.

Why the fuck would anyone in the family bother to talk to that lying viper? What for?!

The truth is, it's only Harry who matters to them. It's only the relationship with Harry that they want to see if they can save, but they're clearly not willing to save it at any price.

They don't want a relationship with Meghan and if they never have to stand in the same room with her again, it would be too soon.

[quote]R359 They don't want a relationship with Meghan and if they never have to stand in the same room with her again, it would be too soon.

Well, they better learn to grow the fuck up and put on a happy face, because until the BRF improves its image the world’s seeing them as vile racists.

Not a good look for the country.

No, the world is now seeing what a lying, poisonous, narcissist she is. Everyone of her easily probable lies are being exposed daily. The only people who lost in this are the two who sat down with OW and revealed their ugliness for all of the world to see.

Did Fergie really get her toes sucked? It looks like he’s just kissing her foot. Personally I thought that whole thing was unfair.

It was believed that Diana set her up to be exposed by leaking to the media where Fergie was staying. I believe it was in the book LLC wrote about Diana. The reason was Diana wanted out but wanted Fergie to be the first to leave to see what would happen the divorce, so Diana could avoid the same mistakes. It sounds just like something Diana would do, but idk if that is true or not.

The guy who took the job at Archewell has to be having second thoughts. What lunatics. Who would do business with them. Hitting up guests for voice over work for Megs was tacky, but leaking private convos with family to Gayle, after that interview? While his 99 year old grandfather was in the hospital. NO man will have her now. Maybe Ellen, she seems to like crazy. Good luck making deals Harkles. Hope you like being socially isolated too. Stories about you taking photos in private homes are not gonna get you invites. MO was wise to distance, and always has.

r354's post is long but excellent.

[quote]Well, they better learn to grow the fuck up and put on a happy face, because until the BRF improves its image the world’s seeing them as vile racists. Not a good look for the country.

The British public has been polled several times the past week and support for the monarchy is solid, even after all the crap and fallout. The Sussexes ratings have plummeted into the all time high negative range. Say again who needs to improve their image?

The "world" doesn't mean squat to the BRF. Only the citizenry of the UK who vote to keep the monarch as Head of State. They aren't celebrities or Kardashians like Harry and Meghan, their 'ratings" aren't based on cheap pr and Q ratings.

You know, she should be very worried about playing with someone's soul like a cat with a toy. People have a way of turning on you with the fury of hell once they come to terms with the damage you made of their life. Harry is obviously unstable. We know he is capable of great anger and we also know just how very vengeful he is. All of his anger and vengeance is focused on William at the moment. She had better pray he doesn't focus it on her. Even William never pretended to love him only to make a fool of him and burn his very life down. He would have nothing to lose. She has seen to that. No friends to help him deal a massive and humiliating betrayal in a healthy way. No family. Sometimes karma turns around and bitch slaps you to the ground. Bitch had better hope she will be able to get back up. One thing bullies always, without fail, never realize until it is too late, is they always get destroyed by the very victim they thought they had the most control over. Cheers, Meghan,

What she has done to his life is stunning. He is still visibly uncomfortable with her agenda. They have just made themselves pariahs. Smart people read the room and side with MO and the Queen of freaking England. No one would want to socialize with the Harkels and listen to their whining, only low life climbers would go near them. No one will want to go near vengeful, unstable litigious people for biz either. What else are they gonna have Gayle leak?

I cannot imagine that the speaking invites are gonna pour in now either, that was one of their only sources of income. They were useful as a way to potentially get access to the BRF. Not anymore. Yikes.

wut?

Never quite seen anyone go from the pinnacle of luxury to this destruction of so much privilege, family, friends, opertunitity to LA street hustlers and social pariahs. What the actual hell is wrong with them?

If I were William and Harry, I wouldn't say boo to Meghan and Harry without a third party on the line to testify to what was said. I'd probably even record the conversations.

^^William and Charles

After the signals from Michelle Obama, they are toast. There will not be social or business opportunities in the US or UK. The guy they hired to create content must be bricking it. They are SO litigious. The wedding was less than 3 years ago, just unreal.

Basically, the Gayle King stunt not only violated exactly the familial privacy boundaries that Meghan just sued the Mail about, it also implicitly suggests that the Sussexes are blackmailing Britain's Head of State if she doesn't give them what they want, because only TQ has the power to granr what they want or not.

I really am dumbfounded at this latest move, not because I don't think Meghan is capable of anything, but because it makes the Sussexes look so bad.

What the fuck were they thinking?!

The only thing I can come up with is that the one thing Meghan will move Heaven and earth to prevent is the possibility of Harry continuing to maintain a relationship with his family. With a move like this,baha may figure she's cut off all communication and that William and Charles will simply stop trying.

I don't think the grim look on William's face has anything to do with what Meghan's "documents" show. The RF by all odds had plenty on her.

I think it's because William knows that the battle for Harry's soul is lost.

My God, leaking private delicate conversations between Harry and his father and brother! It's not as if the DM leaked it, either.

This could only have come from Meghan and Harry. She and Harry really are living on Mars.

So the DM leaking the letter to her father was an outrageous breach of privacy, but it's fine to leak private conversations to Gayle King? Oh the irony.

If I were Charles or William, I would never speak to them again. It will just be used as ammunition. I think it's obvious now that Meghan and Harry aren't looking for reconciliation at all - just hard, cold, blackmail cash.

I think they want something like the 17-million-pound payment Diana got when she and Charles divorced. That would be nearly 28 million pounds in today's money, or about 39 million dollars. What they don't seem to understand is that Diana and Charles were dissolving a marriage and that the family felt obligated to support the mother of the heir and spare. But even Diana didn't get everything she wanted (her HRH).

This isn't a divorce so much as a resignation. When you leave a job you might get severance, and it sounds like the Sussexes already got that. They aren't entitled to anything more, especially not the vast sums of money and elevated roles (HRH for them in America, Prince/Princess/HRH for Archie and his sister, plum Royal duties when they feel like it) they feel they deserve.

It's the same argument they had over the tiara blown-up large. They make unreasonable demands, and the Queen calmly and consistently informs them that they must take what she chooses to give and cannot expect anything more.

R362 Of course it was unfair. That was my point in bringing it up, as Meghan keeps whingeing about how much worse she had it than anybody else.

Look, Fergie was stupid to expose herself like that whilst still married to Andrew even if separated. It was typical of the kind of fecklessness that doomed her ad a royal but also garnered her a certain affection.

And fair play to him, Andrew defended her saying that as a separated woman she had a right to a life. It wasn't an effective defence but he tried.

In my opinion no one got treated more harshly than Fergie.

Whether he was kissing or sucking her toes doesn't matter. The real point is that they ran the.story on the Sunday morning they knew she was up at Balmoral.

Andrew is reported to have seen the.morning papers first and yelled, "OH MY GOD!!!!

She is the kids were packed and in their way to Aberdeen airport in an hour.

Weirdly, though Fergie got the worst treatment and lived the most hardscrabble life afterwards, she's survived. She's alive and healthy, her daughters are still princesses and both happily married, and she's supported by the family and tacitly accepted. Meanwhile, her ex-husband is a pariah and her ex-rival has been cold in the grave at Althorp for nearly 25 years. Once Philip is dead, Fergie might even come into the light a bit further.

Perhaps she was right to only ask for the Queen's friendship during the divorce, after all.

[quote] We’ve had many threads here about detaching from toxic family members.

Detaching oneself from a family member or two is perfectly understandable.

If you detach yourself from ALL family members but one, however, and then convince your husband to detach himself from all HIS family members, the problem is clearly with you, and not with the family members.

Especially when you have detached from nearly everyone you've ever been close to. That's YOUR toxic pattern, not your friends' or family's.

It isn't just family, it is friends, in-laws. I find it very curious that Doria is the only one she hasn't ghosted. Makes one wonder why. Doria has always given me the creeps, just like her daughter. Bad vibes. She appears to be very calculating and has always appeared to be someone with something to hide, always in the shadows.

Detaching from his entire family but wanting to keep ALL THE MONEY AND TITLES!

Please, dears, don't forget those last details. Megs and H certainly have not.

And the fucking security, damnit! They, who supposedly have millions, just ain't paying! Who the fuck do they think they are?

Doria is just trotted out for photo ops. To be fair, I honestly don't know how involved Doria wants to be with her daughter. Doria seemed like she couldn't wait to get back to LA. On every trip to the UK, Doria was in and out. I get the impression that she likes to live her life, is a woman who has lived, and probably doesn't want too much inquiry into her background by being heavily associated with Meghan. I know nothing about her, but I like Doria's vibe. Meghan is a Markle though and through. I don't know a thing about Doria or the Raglands and I'm happy to keep it that way.

Doria is pretty low-key and private.

[quote]her ex-rival has been cold in the grave at Althorp for nearly 25 years.

Diana isn't buried on that island, she was secretly interred in the Spencer family crypt.

So, born evil or made evil by bad parenting? Her father spoiled her rotten and I have observed that in narcissistic people. But come on, this one is off the scales. So, born evil?

Agree! Again, I know nothing about her and I'm sure she had a past, but she was exemplary in the way she handled herself at the wedding, as she sat completely alone with no family or friends next to her. I loved her outfit and her style. I dislike Meghan but I don't mind Doria at all.

I do not feel that way, I do not like her. She is now sole owner of a business that is caregiving to seniors. Rich ones. She isn't qualified for that. She is a grifter, and I think that is where Meghan learned it from. Meghan said that her mother told her to never be involved with anyone if they could not benefit her financially. She taught that her all of her life, Meghan said .

Hubris. She got tons of support and fame after the interview. Then as attention faded she decided to breach her own privacy as well as that of Harry’s family by spilling to Gayle. People who gave her the benefit of doubt are now questioning why she’s doing this as it contradicts her demands for privacy.

If I were a producer I’d set my phone on record when I have meetings with Harry and Meghan. I’ll keep my own receipts since I know they have a record of faking theirs for sympathy.

R390- That and making accusations of racism to anyone who doesn't give her what she wants. Who would dare take that chance? They aren't worth it.

Doria has a ASW, it means she has to work under another licensed mental health professional such as a LCSW or a psychologist. An ASW has to complete 3000 hours of clinical work under the supervision of LCSW before you can take the LCSW exam. Doria does not meet the requirements to be an executive of a senior care company which provides for services that a LCSW would be able to provide.

By the way, an ASW cannot practice independently. So the question is who is supposedly supervising Doria in this venture? Is she hiring actual LCSWs to do the grunt work while she acts as the CEO/ CFO? That’s the more likely scenario. A more outlandish possibility is that Oprah’s friend Dr. Phil could be behind the scene as Doria’s supervisor, though unlikely as Dr. Phil is not a licensed psychologist a d has not practiced as a counselor since 2006. He’s also a charlatan, those of us in mental health cannot stand him.

He had issues with his license, no? A friend mentioned it, but I cannot remember the details.

Dr. Phil is a perv who voluntarily surrendered his license. Why would Oprah elevate this hukster who is unlicensed and who has reportedly engaged in some very concerning conduct?

R394 Dr.Phil had been sanctioned by the Texas boards for ethical violations. He then complied with all the requirements that reinstated his license to good standing. He however let his counseling license lapse in 2006. As a therapist he sucks ass because he tells patients what they should do instead of helping them with guided therapy to discover their own paths. He belittles tells clients fucked up shit if his shows were any indication of his “therapy”. On his show he told a mom of a 5-year-old boy that she could prevent him from becoming gay by not buying him girl’s toys like dolls. Fucking Oprah is down with this type of homophobia.

The link at R395 says he has no license at present. Too lazy to search TX licenses. Oprah has some mantle of credibility that seems less and less warranted the more I learn. A frau I worked with went to her culty weekend events. Oprah is said to be selling off assets herself. Maybe she just wanted the cheap notoriety and PR for her Netflix project with Harry.

So he's a perv and a homophobe and yet "Saint" Oprah gave him a huge platform? And she is supposed to somehow confer some respectability on the Sucksess? Oprah had a very Jerry Springer type show. Shen did she become some saintly elder statesman? Was it the book club? What a crew, lie down with dogs get up with fleas, what charletans.

I mean Dr.Phil, this fucker is a joke. He challenges guests with psychotic delusions who were on his shows. That’s like Therapy 101 which when I was a psych DNP student we learned at the beginning of our studies. And he was licensed to practice therapy? Look, he’s a product of fucking Oprah and her mental health initiative which was/ is a fucking joke. Now she’s promoting Harry and Meghan as mental health experts?! Fuck that shit.

^^^ meant to say challenging psychotic patients on their realities is a big fucking no-no, it’s Therapy 101. You just don’t do that.

The breezy way suicidal ideation was discussed with no warning, no hotline on the screen, no discussion of how she got better or safeguards in place for this pregnancy, was so careless from so many who try to make a buck off "mental health." I know someone who had a psychotic break postpartum, had been fine with prior pregnancies, it is no joke, my friend left the kids with someone safe and left and killed herself. They make it sound like you just go to Canada and presto chango, all fixed. People in a dark place could watch and think, if they could not get help, what hope do I have? That Heads Together initiative was all 4 of them, Doria volunteered at a suicide hotline and Harry was said to be in therapy DURING the time they claim she was suicidal. So uncaring about the effect of their words and actions as long as the $ rolls in.

We can only speculate about Doria, but I agree with R384. She seems like a woman happy with her laid-back lifestyle. I can imagine her not being interested in her daughter's Hollywood ambitions and later social climbing. She's been there for the photo ops and otherwise lived her life. Meghan could learn from her public presentation. But she seems to take after daddy.

R399 Meanwhile, Oprah is the spokesperson for Weight Watchers (or whatever they changed it to that doesn’t involve “weight”). Bizarro World.

Meghan and Harry are playing a dangerous, high-stakes game. This interview, like "Finding Freedom", is part of a long-cherished campaign to parlay a comfortable but unexciting second-rank royal life into a powerful, A-List, celebrity one. Self-promotion is really Meghan's only talent.

She probably knwq from the moment she and Harry became a going concern that her best bet was to use the royal family to set up a global image and then turn it into martyred WoC as she left as soon as she could to become a power in the entertainment or political arenas. But on her own, she just isn't interesting enough and she knew it.

The Oprah interview was an escalation in the campaign and had nothing to do with Meghan finding her "voice" or her "truth".

But the BRF isn't rolling over for her. The staff abuse thorn is sticking in Meghan's side and could prove to discredit her in a way she can't afford. These allegations were something Meghan didn't expect, because many of those people were paid off and/or signed NDAs. But those NDAs can be lifted by the people who initially issued them.

Her aim now is to get that investigation shut down or discredited. Hence, threatening the royal family with "documents" to prove "everything she said" on that interview. I doubt she's angling for HRHs for the kids or a major financial settlement. Those might be enjoyable or convenient, but that's not what she needs right now: what she needs is vindication, and she knows if that investigation goes forward and produces a persuasive report, Meghan will be seriously damaged.

That's what is being referred to in the "concern that negative stories are still being leaked to the press about her [by the Palace]".

The Gayle King strike is an attempt to get that investigation shut down. Meghan knows she has no legal path to shutting it down or her lawyers would have sent off a letter already. The Sussexes probably knew they'd be slammed for breaching family privacy, but are willing to trade off what they see as minor criticism for the chance to get that investigation shut down.

If the BRF have any brains, they'll stand firm and not make the mistake they made when Harry brought Meghan home: say YES for fear of the race issue. They should have said NO then and it would have been unpleasant but long over.

They should say NO now and move forward with the investigation. It's time to stop the farce about much loved blackmailers.

R404 speaks a lot of truth.

The main takeaway: don't be rolled over or cowed here. Take action, rip the band aid off quickly and the ordeal is then over. They should have done it four years ago, hindsight doesn't amount to much but they can learn lessons and not make repetitive mistakes.

[quote]America will recreate Harry, like it has done for all immigrants.

All immigrants didn't come to America with titles, expect to live off of their rich daddys(with a title) and live in multi million homes homes. I know mine didn't did yours?

If the stories about Charlotte are true he should not.

If it's true that Meg bullied Charlotte even 1/4 as badly as has been reported, it's proof that Harry never felt close to his brother's kids. A man who loved a niece or nephew would not let his fiance bully them. It might even cause him to rethink the engagement. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Harry resented George, Charlotte, and Louis because they shoved him much further down the line of succession and will one day be the focus of public attention.

Has Harry ever been seen playing with the Cambridge children? Nothing springs to mind. I did hear a few years ago that Harry was a bit of a drunk, so William and/or Catherine kept him away from George, Charlotte and Louis, but I doubt there's much, if any, truth to that story.

R409- No, he hasn't. It has been said that W&K did not approve of him drinking around them. I may not remember this correctly, but I seem to remember Harry literally knocking two little kids heads together, hard. Does anyone else remember that? I think the whole Harry loves children act was just that, an act. Her uncle straight up said she should never be allowed around children or animals because she hates both.

[quote]R408 A man who loved a niece or nephew would not let his fiance bully them. It might even cause him to rethink the engagement.

Please. It would be unhealthy to put someone else’s children that you see a few times a year over your spouse.

Plus, there’s no proof that W&K’s insipid brats were bullied by anyone.

[quote]Plus, there’s no proof that W&K’s insipid brats were bullied by anyone.

Well, there's no proof that anyone in the BRF actually made racially-charged comments about baby Archie either, but that didn't stop people from believing it as gospel. It's become a regular gossip free-for-all, thanks to H&M and Oprah.

Decent people wouldn't allow anyone to bully a little child. She is repulsive.

I think a lot of children are brats.

R410, the vid of him knocking the little boys' heads together was recently reposted on one of these threads in the past week. The mask slipped and the gap between the image crafted for him and reality was a bit jarring. Reminded me of Tom Cruise when he fired his publicist and all of a sudden the crazy was on display. Harry seemed a bit manic that day as well, just off. Despite his "good with kids" image I do not recall ANY photos of him interacting with the Cambridge kids playfully. Even Charles has been seen playing not only with his own children but also with Camilla's grandchildren. Harry and Meg are really off in a profound way and seem to be foile a deux. It is creepy and disturbing, not as entertaining anymore.

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More details from a while back

This was so funny.

Why does Britain need a real life soap opera?

There was some theatre event where W & K were in the audience and a presenter ripped on MM. K looked over at W as if to laugh with him at the joke too but W stared straight on, oblivious to her emotions. They are out of tune.

I think W & K, C & C all had private and public exchanges knocking MM. Not unlike a family that is only united by hating on someone in the family and blowing up everything they do.

Not that MM and H aren't flakes. I am enjoying seeing this stuffy royal family panic and do damage control. It's about the closest they'll ever come to feeling like anyone else who doesn't wear crowns and tiaras. You just know they are major snobs and probably laugh at all the commonwealth people they visit. Camilla does it openly.

I like that the BRF is being dragged into the 21st Century. Finally they’re having to take a long, hard look at their own racism.

They were meant to get an apartment in Kensington Palace that was even a bit bigger than the Cambridges. It is astonishing that someone would blow up so much good favor out of delusion doing so would build a "brand" so she might become President of the US. What is the word for beyond delusional and self destructive?

Just looking for confirmation from you, R420 - only white sociopaths or those white people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder are allowed to be called on their behaviour - is that correct?

Calling anyone who just happens to be other than white who exhibits these behaviours is racist, right?

[quote]There was some theatre event where W & K were in the audience and a presenter ripped on MM. K looked over at W as if to laugh with him at the joke too but W stared straight on, oblivious to her emotions. They are out of tune.

Yes, twenty years of partnership and three children don't count for anything if you don't look at each other at just the right time every single time.

[quote]I think W & K, C & C all had private and public exchanges knocking MM. Not unlike a family that is only united by hating on someone in the family and blowing up everything they do.

You do tend to talk about the family members who seem determined to act like complete assholes no matter how much is done for them.

[quote]Not that MM and H aren't flakes. I am enjoying seeing this stuffy royal family panic and do damage control. It's about the closest they'll ever come to feeling like anyone else who doesn't wear crowns and tiaras.

It's Meghan and Harry who are panicking and leaking now that the polls aren't going their way.

[quote]You just know they are major snobs and probably laugh at all the commonwealth people they visit. Camilla does it openly.

It was Harry and Meghan who abandoned their duties as Commonwealth ambassadors to seek their fortunes in America. And where is there any evidence of Camilla laughing at people of color? If you mean the preacher at the wedding, EVERYONE in the audience was snickering at his long-winded bombast.

Are we in secure and envious, R419?

^insecure

The Megstans are obsessed with and jealous of Kate. If they or Meghan were secure in the idea that Meghan is so amazing, they would be concentrating on Meghan's awesome new projects (where are they?) rather than consistently knocking Kate's marriage, looks, and children.

Bye, Dim and MeAgain. Good riddance to bad rubbish

Honestly, didn’t Di flaunt her pregnancy more?

'She is keeping him from his brother and father and grandmother, the only people he has ever loved.'

Dumbass, he loves Meghan and Archie far more than he loves them, or he would never have left London.

There's no way Charles and William will ever call Harry again now they know whatever they say is going straight to Gayle King. They be wise to only speak in person with Piers Morgan present.

'They were meant to get an apartment in Kensington Palace that was even a bit bigger than the Cambridges. '

Big deal. Kensington Palace is ugly as sin and affected by central London pollution. Everyone except Klan Grannies prefers the Montecito place - next to the ocean, backed by mountains, and a mansion not an apartment.

' If you mean the preacher at the wedding, EVERYONE in the audience was snickering at his long-winded bombast.'

Every single one a racist.

R431 Russian mafiosi certainly prefer Montecito, like the one who sold his trashy fake mansion to the trashy fake royals

You're a racist r432.

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'Russian mafiosi certainly prefer Montecito, like the one who sold his trashy fake mansion to the trashy fake royals'

Nope, there are more Russian billionaires in London than anywhere else in the world, and they live in the boroughs of Westminster and Kensington and Chelsea.

'Vanity Fair says William is worried now everything he says to Harry will be "plastered over US TV."

So he admits he made the racist comment. What a vile bastard he is.

Harry admitted he is a racist. He talks racist all the time.

Lady C - polite character assasignation of the Dismal Duo

What is the word for as delusional as MM is to think that that interview will be the springboard to her candidacy for US president?

I guess Trump made anything theoretically possible, but our first female black President will be Kamala Harris, not Meghan Markle. If Meghan thinks running a lifestyle blog, acting in a C-list cable show, marrying a British prince, and popping out a couple of kids makes her qualified to be President, she is so delusional it's almost psychosis.

Of course, Princess Diana harbored daydreams of marrying JFK Jr., becoming First Lady, and the BRF being forced to host her as an honored guest on a state visit. Different generation, same basic fantasy.

[quote]R435 Vanity Fair says William is worried now everything he says to Harry will be "plastered over US TV."

Why doesn’t he just say things he’s unashamed of?

(He’s just figuring this out?)

Harry chose to leave the military because he couldn't pass the promotion exam. He chose to leave the BRF in early 2020. Charles gave him and Meghan funds for the year as they left, and according to reports has given them more since. It's also quite likely that he paid off the Frogmore debt and helped subsidize the Montecito mansion. Harry has done just what he wanted to do and gotten lots of support in the process.

R442 You want your relatives to misrepresent and report everything you said to them in private conversations their media mouthpieces? After they said the interview was the last word? Especially if you’re in a position to not answer back against misrepresentations and lies? It’s tacky to take family feuds public. They might as well go on Jerry Springer.

[quote]R444 You want your relatives to misrepresent and report everything you said to them in private conversations... Especially if you’re in a position to not answer back against misrepresentations and lies?

omg.... he can grow the fuck up and clarify anything he wants.

It’s much easier for him to hide behind granny’s throne, though.

'Lady C - polite character assasignation of the Dismal Duo'

jESUS CHRIST YOU KLAN FUCKERS ARE DUMB! It's ASSASSINATION.

There's another anonymous post on tumblr from an employee at a hotel where they frequently stayed on Ibiza - I thought she said the Palace confiscated her passport? they're a high-maintenance pain in the ass.

R446 Lady CC is black.

R445 OMG maybe he has better use of his time than having to go tit for tat like trailer trash at a family reunion on Jerry Springer.

It’s much easier for Harry to hide behind Meghan’s $5000 dresses while whining about having to pay his own security cost.

Jerry Springer modeled his show on early Oprah. Everything old is new again.

[quote] Why doesn’t he just say things he’s unashamed of?

In which case that would mean you'd allow transcripts of all conversations with your own siblings to be published if you've said nothing you would be "ashamed" of saying.

But that wouldn't be true at all, is it? If you were being honest, you'd admit we have an expectation of some semblance of privacy in our own homes and among our own families.

You know that; but of course you're just cheaply trolling.

[quote]R540 that would mean you'd allow transcripts of all conversations with your own siblings to be published if you've said nothing you would be "ashamed" of saying. But that wouldn't be true at all, is it?

Actually, it would be. I don’t have a single criminal offense, I’ve never betrayed anyone, I’ve never invited rage in anyone that I’m aware of, and even past choices that I’d make differently today I’m not ashamed of. (Part of it is I’ve been sober for quite a long time, and in that world you learn to basically avoid doing things you’d have to make amends for, later.)

Bring it!

Does Harry wear his Nazi uniform while he does the podcasts?

Asking for everyone who doesn't pretend away the Ginger Jackass's history

R451 great, so you want to live like a circus freak paraded in front of gawking crowds. Wanting privacy as it relates to private interactions with family does not equate with having something to hide. Only morons would equate expectations of privacy in private life with opposition to transparency.

[quote] (Part of it is I’ve been sober for quite a long time, and in that world you learn to basically avoid doing things you’d have to make amends for, later.)

Oh, so you're admitting you're a dry drunk.

Well, that explains quite a bit.

[quote]R453 so you want to live like a circus freak paraded in front of gawking crowds. Wanting privacy as it relates to private interactions with family does not equate with having something to hide. Only morons would equate expectations of privacy in private life with opposition to transparency.

So now you’ve switched courses twice...

First Detour: saying that William being afraid to talk with his sibling NOW (because the contents of the talk could be made public) is the same as having every word we’ve EVER exchanged with family being made public.

Second Detour: Not being ashamed of things we’ve said equals exhibitionism.

Is William a diplomat or not? Isn’t this what he was supposedly groomed for? JUST DON’T SAY THINGS YOU CAN’T MORALLY DEFEND.

God, many people live that way.

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It’s more about family intimacy than honesty. I do, and say things in bed with my husband that I am in no way ashamed of. But those are intimate things meant solely for him. I have said things to my sisters that can only truly be understood by them. I also think it’s appalling for private conversations, or the gist of them, to be posted on the front page of the DM.

[quote]R457 I also think it’s appalling for private conversations, or the gist of them, to be posted on the front page of the DM.

Have you written to The Daily Mail to tell them this?

Maybe your problem is with publishers.

If I were William, I wouldn't speak to Harry without at least 1 of my own people present, and I'd be extremely careful what I said in texts and e-mails. It's the only way to guarantee that his words won't be twisted and used against him.

If William and Charles don't talk to Nazi-uniform loving Harry, how will the Sussexes be able to tell them how much to write the STFU check for? Will Gayle announce that too?

R455 you’re either deliberately being obtuse or your brain cells haven’t fully recovered from your admission of past substance use. I’d guess William is more angry or exasperated than afraid. Afraid is usually associated with uncontrollable events in life. He can control this by not talking to Harry, but that’d mean breaking a familial bond. Even this would play into Harry’s “they’ve cut me off boo hoo I’m a victim” narrative. He’s in a difficult spot.

Second , you asked “is William a diplomat or not?” Then jumped to conclusions by stating he shouldn’t “say things he can’t morally defend”. What are these immoral things you knowingly speak of? Why should William act in the capacity of diplomat in his private interactions with family? He’s to have zero expectations of privacy because he’s born into royalty? Or is it because his dumbass brother wishes to broadcast and misrepresent every private interaction for famewhoring purposes?

This is rich coming from the Sussexes who pay lip service to privacy yet have their media mouthpieces on speed dial. They’re huge hypocrites and the more they run to Gayle , the more they lose credibility and sympathy.

[quote]R461 you’re either deliberately being obtuse .... I’d guess William is more angry or exasperated than afraid.

Except this was all in response to:

R435 [/italic]Vanity Fair says William is worried now everything he says to Harry will be "plastered over US TV."[/italic]

That = Afraid

R458, the DM is in the business of selling news. Prince Harry is news. If he and his narcissistic wife leak to the press, they expect those leaks to be public. They also should anticipate the familial consequences.

R462 you mean the same VF that’s always kissing the Sussexes’ ass? Nice try with worried= afraid. I hope English isn’t your native language because that’s a fail. Worried= concerned, troubled, and upset. Afraid= petrified, scared, terrified, and fear. Fear/ afraid is a severe negative feeling and generally associated with something uncontrollable, more immediate, or with phobias. You have a fear of/ are afraid of snakes, for instance. Worried/ concerned is milder emotion and more long-term. You’re not worried about snakes, though you may worry about paying your bills on time each month.

But enough with semantics. You don’t need an intellectual understanding of linguistics to know that the Sussexes are hellbent on advancing their fame and wealth at all costs. To paraphrase Meghan in one of her more honest moments, if it means cutting off family, so be it.

Go by is past history. It is the most predictive factor in psychology and pattern of behavior. One side steadfastly plays the media while publicly cries about privacy. The same side also outrageously lies or lies via insinuation. The latter borders on extortion via threats of character assassination. The more they whisper in Gayle’s ears the more trashy they appear even to those who are sympathetic.

[quote]R464 Worried= concerned, troubled, and upset. Afraid= petrified, scared, terrified, and fear.

Thanks. I guess that’s why one might say, “I’m afraid I’ll be a bit late.”

Meghan's unhinged. She'll never know when to stop. She's spent her whole life in obscurity and with Harry she finally found the ticket to fame and fortune she was desperate for.

Why would anyone trust them? In what normal people would consider private conversations?

SHE LIES. Only a moron would believe that she did not know who Harry was, for one thing and there is a list of others.

Now we know that even a conversation with Harry will make its way to mouthpiece Gayle. And acting all shocked that no one in the RF has spoken to Meghan???

Please. Who would want to talk with her after all this?

She has also proven herself to be (1) litigious (2) back stabbing (3) greedy (4) jealous (5) vindictive (6) bullying and the list goes on.

R447

[quote] There's another anonymous post on tumblr from an employee at a hotel where they frequently stayed on Ibiza

Link please.

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R465 No, you moron. “I’m afraid I’ll be a bit late” is an idiom. Look that word up. Again nice try but big fail. No surprise, since you’re do stupid or deliberately misleading about context, like your Meghan.

^^^ meant to say so stupid or deliberately misleading

In that video where Charles told Harry and Meghan to stay back, senior royals only, he told the Queen nothing was ever good enough for Meghan, and mentioned her ring.

She had her ring upgraded.

Interesting how angry he was to talk about it with his mother right in front of the cameras.

Her OG ring was RACIST, omg!

Sad...

This link

"William and Harry went for ‘long walk to try to clear the air’ after Megxit summit but ‘didn’t part as friends"

Harry and William will likely never be friends again. Not after the Oprah interview where Harry basically called both William and Kate racists.

Well, do we really want to be friends with racists, anyway?

A lot of us separate from family when they reveal their true face.

R477, if you are only friends with perfect, infallible people, you will be very lonely.

People don’t have to be perfect and infallible to be non-racist.

People are racist. It doesn't make them evil. Grow up. People of color can be racist. It's just gonna kill you. If you ever have any as friends.

The 'racist' adjective is now used so casually it applies to nearly everyone. It's getting to be a dismissible irritant rather than a shameful accusation. The impact is being lessened.

I'm sorry, which brother likes parading around in a Nazi uniform and calling people "Pakis"?

Don't forget if you don't remember which one, R477. Megan has it noted and dated in her diary along with all of the other microaggressions she's dealing with from the ginger one. #ReceiptsForTheDivorce

I will say this, in this cancel climate and especially after the Oprah interview, I am much more aware of keeping receipts on people I have to work with. The funny thing is that most of the receipts in texts or email can have various interpretations based on the person reading them.

Blind Gossip and Harry's job hunt. He wants to be Elon Musk. lol

I forgot about the blind gossip that is floating around in the threads about how Harry got off on really aggressive, brutal sex with prostitutes when he was in the military. It said that at first the ladies all wanted to have him as a client, but the word quickly spread that he was violent during sex to the extent that nobody wanted to fuck him. I hope Meghan's mussy is still in tact.

Eh, he probably has never gotten any fun, wild sex from any young, proper English girl he previously dated who wanted to grab the bag and be his princess wife. He might have been desperate to get wild and test the boundaries... that's what whores (and Americans) are for.

English girls, they're so prissy.

I can't stand them on the telephone.

To be fair to Hapless Haz r485, that blind was meant to be about Hunter Biden (I'm not betting on it as true either way).

R486 Harry's longtime girlfriend Chelsy who dumped him because she didn't want to marry into the Royal family and have her privacy invaded all the time, is from Zimbabwe.

R487 Hunter Biden doesn't need a Green Card. Thanks for playing.

Was Hunter in the military? Anyway, based on Hunter's videos, he seems more like lay back, smoke crack, and make jokes with the whore giving him a foot job than the type to donkey punch her to make her pussy clench tighter.

I just re-read said blind r489, and nowhere does it mention its subject needing a Green Card.

Can't stand Hazza these days, but that one isn't about him.

The BI much more fit Harry than Hunter. Hunter was briefly in the Navy and was booted for coke use.

R491 " It was also unclear what he wanted. At first they didn’t know if he was looking for a job, a green card, or an entree into the tech industry. They already have celebrity spokespeople, so that was another option."

r493 that's not the blind. It's this one:

Mmmmm... Harry is so mild mannered I have trouble seeing him being overly physical with anyone. Or even a tiger in the sack.

That's not the same blind R494 - the new Elon Musk is obviously Harry R484

‘... perhaps his wife could take the time to write some uplifting notes to the girls he beat up ...’

Bananagrams.

It’s Harry, for Chrissake.

Outlandish is correct r284. Meghan also hasn't brokered shit. HARRY has recently found himself some precarious employment but nobody is looking for Meghan hehe...

R485 “in tact”? Really? That’s a good one, even for Datalounge!

Do you think these girls Harry like to beat up were Asian or WOC. I cannot believe he is getting away with being advisor for compassion and social justice issues with his sordid past. Harry might be the people'e price back in the day, but he did some dark shit. They had a nightclub built underneath Highgrove, Club H, when Harry was at Eaton and a lot of scandalous things happened there. We need Skippy Inskip to spill the tea. If not on Harry, than on Meghan's behavior.

[quote]That's not the same blind [R494] - the new Elon Musk is obviously Harry [R484]

It's the blind referenced in r485's post. That's what r487 was referring to. There are several items at BG that could be about Haz.

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"In the sit-down interview with Oprah Winfrey, Harry and Meghan revealed all about their life in the royal family. Now they need to prove their value as people in their own right. They have new -- commercial -- contracts to honor, and their new bosses will want return on their substantial investments. Can the Sussexes deliver? The couple's true test starts now."

What changes are expected on 3/31?

From the MSN link, William's role goes far beyond pretending to be a Kardashian

FROM THE ROYAL VAULT Prince William, the Duke of Cambridge, has been named as the Lord High Commissioner to the 2021 General Assembly of the Church of Scotland. In the role, William will represent the Queen at the online event in May.

William, who holds the title of the Earl of Strathearn in Scotland, was supposed to participate in the General Assembly last year but it was canceled and streamed online in light of the pandemic. He is expected to make the opening and closing addresses for the event and report developments back to the Queen throughout the week.

The role of Lord High Commissioner is "to maintain the relationship between the State and the Church" and dates back to the 16th century, according to the royal family website.

Each year, the Queen appoints the role on the advice of the prime minister. She attended herself in 1969 and 2002. But other members of the royal family have also participated in years gone by, including all four of her children.

Love those Scottish titles, they sound so romantic

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I think it's misogyny.

Misogyny!

They hate the women.

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It's interesting comparing what's happened with Harry and William and what just happened in Jordan. A younger brother trying to discredit the older brother. Jordan's wannabe King is the son of a pushy American - a Meghan Markle.

That's actually a good comparison, Noor to Meghan. Lots of similarities there actually: wildly ambitious, American, outspoken, self-centered, obsessed with royal title and status for both themselves and their offspring. Inability to get along with the in-laws and stepkids (the latter in Noor's case). Eventual diminishment at court and semi-exile back to the States.

Add Wallis Simpson to that and Americans marrying royals are an issue. Princess Grace is the only one who stuck the landing till she fell off a mountain.

What are the odds an American will be allowed within a football field of any of the Cambridge children once they hit dating age?

The Cambridge kids won't be vulnerable like Harry was. They'll come from a happy, intact family and will all be encouraged to get educations and have interests outside of Royal work. Given that both William and Kate are reasonably intelligent, the kids probably won't be so dim as Harry, either. Golddiggers will dig in vain.

R513 considering the last three generations have produced...troubled...spares, I can imagine there's at least some concern about Charlotte and Louis.

Margaret lost her father at a vulnerable age (18) and was never given any education or purpose in life other than being the spare. Andrew was spoiled rotten by her mother, who felt guilty for neglecting Charles and Anne when they were small due to her queenly duties. Harry lost his mother at an even more vulnerable age, and unfortunately married the unstable Spencer temperament and intellectual limitations. Unless William and Kate die in a fiery crash in the next few years, it's likely their children will be fine.

The best thing William and Kate could do--and likely will do--is to impress upon Charlotte and Louis the need to develop careers and lives of their own. They'll likely never inherit the throne and shouldn't spend their lives defining themselves by their brother's position and bewailing their lower positions. That's what really does the spare's head in.

*spoiled rotten by HIS mother

Margaret was spoiled by her father too, and she was 22 when he died. That said, the points about lack of education and having no purpose hold true.

Hmmm, I suspect the breach is worse than everyone thought if this blind is on the money

You tell your family about the Oprah interveiw, your grandfather is hospitalized the next DAY and you then proceed to attempt blackmail on a global public scale. The grandfather, 99, remains hospitalized for 30 days as you continue to double down. His health continuing to fail cannot be a surprise to ANYONE. The stress the family was put under by Harry for even MORE dosh is inexcusable and cannot be forgotten.

Pretty troubling isn't it, r519. Apart from the general Sussex "crazy", you have to kind of wonder and worry, what kind of pressure these two have put themselves under (promises of more royal "true stories" to Oprah, promises of more royal "scoops", promises of this and that, and the other thing - all to keep the money bags interested in them, keep themselves relevant to employers, investors, PR people, media, film, business, political. The Sussexes landed in California with Big Hopes. The BRF was and is simply put, collateral damage.

I mean really - would you want to do business with these two? Stake your business, trust them, rely on them?

Oh to be a fly on the wall when Harry comes to the funeral, and has to face everyone.

The timing, with regard to Phillip's hospitalization and decline cannot be missed, R521. That MeMeMe claimed, aggressively, through surrogates, that any talk of his serious illness and the interview was an attempt to "muzzle her" and that the interview had nothing to do with Phillip was compounded by their cold post to drive traffic to Archewell and the omission of his title, something MeMeMe is obsessed with. Kamala Harris got the title right and the SM post from Putin was warmer. Harry now has PR professing "guilt" that he did not see his grandfather again, that was a choice and look what he chose to do with that time instead.

I'm probably reading way, way too much into Princess Anne's commentary yesterday on video about her father saying "things will never be the same." When I read that, I also thought - it had relevance to Harry. I just have this sinking feeling that Harry is kind of "done" as far as BRF is concerned. You'll never hear it, or never really see it but I think Harry is kind of done. It's like the storyline you often read in spy novels about the 'enemy is from within' type of thing. You just never dream in your wildest dreams that a member of the family will not only desecrate what you cherish, but actually actively scheme to destroy you, your reputation, your whole way of life and purpose in life.

That's some kind of enemy.

No, R520 and use em and leave em Megsy is going to find the pickings slim. This is sociopathic behavior, wealthy men will not have her.

Exactly, R523. It is a shame. Markle was a weapon and her handlers are far more intelligent than HazBean but the viper was lurking, always.

[quote]R523 You just never dream in your wildest dreams that a member of the family will not only desecrate what you cherish, but actually actively scheme to destroy you

By treating your wife and child in a racist manner?

That is not what Harry said happened, R526. That is not even exactly what MeAgain said happened. And as for the UK press, the truly objectionable headline was written by an American for a US edition. Other headlines were mocked up and have proven false.

They told the family about the Oprah interview and Philip was hospitalized the next day. THAT fact is not in dispute.

Can it r526, they were never treated in a racist manner. They were never treated in a bad manner in any way, period. FFS - Meghan was given everything she ever dreamed of and wanted by the Queen and the BRF when she arrived, with whipped cream and a cherry on top. She (and Harry) threw away every gilded opportunity they had handed to them, like selfish brats.

Until Harry coughs up the name of the senior royal who had the "conversation" with him - hell until he corrects several of the massively inaccurate statements he and Meghan made to Oprah - his account is entirely suspect.

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Matt..., S.Wales, United Kingdom, 3 hours ago

I can't believe the hypocrisy and how utterly strange it is to put your dying grandad through all of this nonsense and then a month later walk behind his coffin.

Dutch Girl in Italy, Milano, 2 hours ago

They said the Royal Family was using Prince Philip's illness as an excuse to silence them. People will remember that. At 99 it is difficult to recover from heart surgery and no doubt the family was aware of that. Queen Elizabeth had to deal with this silly pair and their selfish agenda while her husband of 73 years lay on his deathbed. People will remember that too.

Lucy, Chester, United Kingdom, 47 minutes ago

Respect would've been not trashing his family on global tv and making the effort to come visit his grandfather while he was still alive.

I will never speak to my oldest sister again, it has been about 12 years. I don't get why people think you just have to chum up because you are siblings, no you bloody don't,