Waitress, Actress, Duchess, Princess: Oprah Markle Viewing Thread, Part III

Link to previous thread:

Ahem, I am Diana's grand-daughter, born an HRH, the future Princess-Royal, a Princess of the blood, and will acquire a wealth of patronages.

Black Britons are responding, and it doesn't sound great for the Windsors:

[quote]Black Britons had been calling out the problematic portrayals of Meghan in the British press for years. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu, a lawyer and activist, has frequently spoken out about the racism directed at Meghan. In a heated back-and-forth on “Good Morning Britain,” she took Piers Morgan, the presenter and a staunch critic of Meghan and Harry, to task. He asked for a reaction to what he called the couple “spray-gunning his family on global television” while Prince Philip, Harry’s grandfather, is hospitalized with a heart ailment.

[quote]“You want to deny that the royal family has any racist undertones or actions against the first biracial person, simply because you are in love with the queen?” Ms. Mos-Shogbamimu responded, as Mr. Morgan accused her of “race baiting.” “You can love the queen and be able to call out the actions done by the royal family when they have got it wrong,” she added.

[quote]Many noted that the allegations made by Meghan during the interview highlighted a blind spot in much of the British news media when it comes to race, with the ranks of royal correspondents nearly all white. “This is a story which is predicated on race,” Mr. Ryder said. “And what we have is that we have a British media that has so far been slow to recognize that this is actually a racial story.”

[quote]Mr. Ryder also said the allegations could have broad repercussions for the monarchy, pointing to longstanding questions about inclusion and the hereditary model of succession. “We keep talking about issues of diversity, and how well does diversity sit with the hereditary principle?” he asked, noting that some may argue that there is a way to make it work. “But what she’s saying is that there seems to be a conflict.”

The jackels on this thread should look in the mirror. Reducing a young mother to a target for your hatred is not a good look and won't improve your petty lives.

She's not young, and she just threw another mother (of the same age) under the bus during her interview.

Did any one note any self-reflection or introspection from Meghan during that 2 hour nonsense?

Nope, just me me me, grievance grievance grievance. She made a splash in the short-term, but unless she can muster up some genuine empathy for other people, she'll never be the star that Diana was.

Sorry I've had it. The only time I can give a fuck about racism now is when somebody credible and solution oriented has something to say, like one of the Obamas or Bakari Sellers or someone, anyone, who can treat a complex issue with the maturity it deserves and skips the histrionics. You ranters on this site are about the worst thing that ever happened to black people because you just alienate everybody.

No responsibility at all for ending up in the BRF so fast and after being warned to slow it down. Nope, its everyone else's fault poor Meghan didn't get to understand the rules. (Actually Harry has huge blame here but I digress).

She wants to be Diana down to the suicide attempts and destructive narcissism, apparently.

The thing that makes me disbelieve her version of events is simple practicality. The Palace knew what a potential modernizing asset she could be. Of course they would try to fold her into the family as successfully as possible. It seems they only started taking disciplinary measures (like yanking the apartment at KP, etc.) when she became totally impossible to deal with. They are only human too, and dealing with a histrionic borderline for months on end would fray anyone's nerves.

When your only tool is the race card, every problem is “systemic racism”.

Spot on r10. It's why Charles stopped taking Harry's hysterical calls from Canada. You can't reason with a borderline, Charles is over 70 years old and was probably trying to shield himself from more screaming abuse from his younger son.

And you know this guy was a screaming abusive ass to everyone, about everything the past few years. His brother, father, SIL, grandmother's dresser, his own staff. It's why I take everything he said last night with a huge grain of salt; he made himself sound oh so reasonable but when the truth is others are dealing with your histrionics, they don't want to deal with you at all.

meghan: "i contemplated to commit suicide while pregnant"

also meghan: "better than a fairytale"

From the previous thread:

[quote]Harry and Meghan want to get paid, and they want guarantees that their kids will be prince/princess when Charles ascends the throne. They want to be able to show up at the big events and lay wreaths and shit like that and then go home to Montecito and work for Netflix. The implied threat is that if the BRF doesn't allow this, they'll release more damaging information (like the name of the person who allegedly brought up Archie's potential skin tone), and there will be hell to pay.

If the Palace comes through with the goodies, I bet the Sussexes will release another interview in a year or so talking about 'healing' and 'understanding' and how far the institution has come. It's the ultimate grift, and the timing was perfect: Given the racial unrest of the last couple of years, the Palace will have to pay them off. There's no other path forward.

[quote]There's no other path forward.

Oh please.

Charles was probably too busy playing tampon in the Rottweiler’s beef curtains.

[quote] The thing that makes me disbelieve her version of events is simple practicality. The Palace knew what a potential modernizing asset she could be. Of course they would try to fold her into the family as successfully as possible.

Well according to this interview the BRF turned on her because she was so popular in Australia. In Finding Freedom, it's mentioned that girls in high school hated her because she was too perfect.

Obviously there is a pattern of people hating Meghan because they can't handle her greatness.

BS r14, William has a major say now and he has shown to be tough as nails. The BRF will rebound back from this - they always do, always. There's nothing to be gained in dealing with extortionists.

They'll let H&M swing over the next several days, enjoying their Pyrrhic victory. Then the slow poisonous leaks and drips will begin, over the long, long haul. By this time in six months, we'll all be singing a different tune about what was said last night.

Another contradiction between Harry and Meghan's stories: she says she gave up her career (lol) and then when Harry comes out he says before the wedding the Royal Family encouraged her to keep acting!

Of course, Meghan interpreted that as a dig insinuating they would need money(?)

This is beyond shocking and she may have destroyed the Royal Family.

But the real effect of this, which no one will realize for a decade is that no prominent family will take a risk like this ever again. She opened the door and promptly slammed it shut.

^ Yes, if every lie she told is called out, her credibility is in tatters with thinking people.

Diana's Panorama interview aired in November 1995. By November 1996, she was divorced, stripped of her HRH, and out of the Royal fold altogether.

Any bets on where Harry and Meghan will be 12 months from now?

[quote] the Royal Family encouraged her to keep acting!

Fairly sure they meant acting lessons.

Have you seen the show?

Meghan is the only star in the family. Her face is the only one that matters. The other members of the family are just props. Doesn't she look much bigger than she did on Oprah?

It was a helpful supportive gesture r19, totally meant as such from a family not usually known for warmth or support. They really - for them anyways - bent over backwards for her in the beginning.

Who messed her up that she'd take a gesture like this, from a powerful group, and turn it into something so crass and negative? Its cruel in itself.

IDK why they hide Archie's face in so many pictures. There are enough clear pictures of his face that we all know what he looks like.

Meghan says the Royal Family were supportive until after the Australia/New Zealand tour and then they implied that the family were jealous of their success. I think the family were appalled at the stories they heard about the Sussexes behind the scenes. Their behavior is what soured things for them. But narcissists blame other people and don't take responsibility for any of their actions.

Whatever your thoughts on either party’s behaviour, the onus was on the RF to make this relationship work. It would have been sooooo fruitful for them, made them look normal and socially conscious and forward thinking, offering a show of inclusivity to all of the various people of the commonwealth, and indicated to the British people that they should also be inclusive in the same way.

In terms of the timing with brexit, the UK desires, needs, a favourable economic trade treaty / deal with the US, and the UK needs this deal more than the US does. This is soooo unhelpful to that undertaking.

Trying to paint Meghan as an ‘impossible person’ doesn’t pass muster, what with the historical context of Diana, and how unconcerned they are with Andrew’s alleged rape of a teenage sex slave. They’ll lie down with anyone and are clearly the ones intolerant of outsiders. I don’t even know if the RF are aware of how badly they handled this. It was theirs to fuck up, and boy did they fuck it up.

[quote]IDK why they hide Archie's face in so many pictures.

Perhaps Archie inherited his father's PTSD when it comes to cameras!

Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles II need to abdicate and renounce their claims to the future KING WILLIAM the BALD and QUEEN CATHERINE the PIOUS who will destroy Harry and Meghan once and for all.

You just know William is DYING to do it. He may even smother their own father so he can take the reigns and get shit done.

I believe the Palace aides who said they all wanted Meghan to be happy. They really, really wanted it, which was why they bent over backwards to help her and please her, even hiding her shitty treatment of subordinates from the world. But it was not in Meghan's best interests to be helped and pleased, not when playing victim could garner her everything she's getting now.

They should have waited to release the bullying stories. It comes across now as a clumsy pre-emptive measure. If they'd waited a bit, it could have been seen as a strong defense.

[quote]Whatever your thoughts on either party’s behaviour, the onus was on the RF to make this relationship work.

Um, you can lead a horse to water ....

[quote] how unconcerned they are with Andrew’s alleged rape of a teenage sex slave.

I get so tired of this lame argument because you people drag it out purely for inflammatory purposes, to distract, and you can't come up with one damned thing to articulate what more they are supposed to do? He's effectively been fired. He has no official role. Nor has he been charged with anything. What would you have them do in that context?

R31 - "they" didn't do anything. The staff went to the paper. After the bullying accusations were made public, then Buck House got involved with the investigation.

R28, how do you please someone who refused to be pleased? Someone who goes into a situation with a victim narrative already in mind and plays out that story for everything it's worth?

These are not stupid people. They understood the benefits of including Meghan and making her happy more than anyone else did. They also understood the potential fallout if she wasn't made happy. What they didn't understand until it was too late was that there would never be any way to make her happy. They tried very hard to prevent another Diana, but Meghan is no Diana. She didn't want to be appreciated by the institution the way Diana did. Meghan wanted the fame, the money, and the power. And she got them.

R28, how can you see what she's done in this interview as reasonable? She destroyed them- I think the mere fact of this interview reveals her irrational animosity toward the royal family. This was not a sane act. Their complete destruction is not equal payback for unfavorable media coverage or an off color racist comment. Do you see this act of aggression as an appropriate response?

[quote]Whatever your thoughts on either party’s behaviour, the onus was on the RF to make this relationship work.

Your post is sensible r28, and normally makes sense. But you can't make anything work with a borderline, never mind an angry pair of them. No way possible.

The BRF needs to cut them completely loose to save themselves. H&M will eventually hang themselves. Notice they didn't detail any upcoming creative project last night? What's going on with the Netflix deal? I'd gather not much, given all the rage and grievance they're managing day and night over in Montecito.

It’s airing in the UK right now?

She really dropped the mask during the title part. That's when you saw the real Meagain.

I really hope they don't end up doing reality tv. I think it's heading that way, and it's so beneath them.

I'd say it's entirely in character. She'll do anything for attention and he'll obviously do anything he's told.

[quote] Well according to this interview the BRF turned on her because she was so popular in Australia.

Wasn’t this a plot from this past season of The Crown?

how can you believe anything that whore says when she claimed she never googled Harry or know anything about royal family?

She can't even be honest about such a small little thing...how can you expect her to tell the truth about anything?

and she said Kate made her cry!!! wahhhhh!

how old are you? 5?

these 2 needs to be cancelled. millions died and are out of jobs and Harry is crying about how he has to use money his mommy left him to pay for security, daddy won't take his calls etc.

The biggest mistake the BRF made was covering up Meghan's fits and tantrums (Harry's too!) in the press. When she went mental at Angela Kelly for example, over the tiara before the wedding - when that story came out it was murky, not well detailed and no one would speak out to confirm it. They (BRF) were still protecting H&M, even though it was probably becoming clear that H&M had no plans to return the favor to the family. BIG mistake.

William knew. He saw it coming, tried to warn but got bashed as temperamental and too harsh. I bet they wish they'd listened to him now. And I bet his power behind the scenes has been totally validated and consolidated over this. I'm going to enjoy watching how the blowback unfolds over the coming months. It's a dish best served Cambridge Cold.

[quote] it's so beneath them

No, R40, it isn't.

she invited clooney and oprah to her wedding, she didn't even know them !!!

I think the Palace can afford to play the long game, making a dignified statement and then withdrawing. It's Harry and Meghan who have hinted they are in need of money, and no more will be coming from the Royal coffers OR from Papa Charles, that's for sure. I still say this was a very glossy blackmail attempt: You cut us off, you wouldn't pay for security, you wouldn't make our son HRH. Fuck you, PAY US.

If I were the BRF, I wouldn't give them a single shiny pound coin.

Agreed, R44. I bet Harry has no idea just how burned those bridges are. He may find out one day when Meghan dumps him for a better prospect. William will never forgive him. I'm not sure Charles will, either. Harry went full Diana on his father last night.

Agreed, R47. They are 36 and 40 years old. Harry's whining about being cut off financially was insane.

Yes r47. And both are not invited to the private birthday bash for Philip in a couple of months. And then the Trooping in June - no go.

The Queen's Diamond Jubilee is next year. BIG event. Sorry Haz, your invite must have got lost in the mail? Who in the family would want to be seen with him after last night?

Sadly H&M will EXPECT to receive these invites, and throw massive pity tantrums when they don't get them. More grievance, more mental health days, more anger, no Netflix productivity, no money. It's a downward spiral with the two of them.

A Romanov tiara should never be allowed to grace that harlot's head! Good on Queen Elizabeth for keeping the Vladimir SACRED, R44!

In all honesty, though, that story was the one that soured me on Megs. Who does this bitch think she is demanding the Queen's jewels?

They would be booed surely if they dared appear at an engagement with the royal family.

I don’t buy the suicidal claims and think this is a manipulative device in respect to her relationship with Harry. Why reach to the Royal HR department for help?

The woman’s not shy about making her business known. Doesn’t she have friends she could have reached to? What about her mother? At the very least, call the Suicide Hotline.

I hate that’s she used this as an emotional sympathy grab during the interview. She hurts those who truly need help. What are they to think now? Well, if she couldn’t get help then how can expect anyone to understand and help me?

If she could fly to New York for a luxury baby shower, she could fly to New York for mental health treatment. OR, she could have gotten treatment at one of the very good clinics in the UK. She's not the heroine of a bloody Gothic novel, for fuck's sake.

The daughter will be Lady such and such Mountbatten-Windsor. When Liz kicks it she will be HRH Princess such and such. The last time HRHs were removed from Princes and Princesses of the Royal blood was when the German relations who were loyal to the Kaiser were stripped of their titles, which took an act of Parliament. Queen Mary’s brother was loyal to the Crown and gave up his German titles and was made Earl of Athlone, who went on to become Governor General of Canada. HRH Prince Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale, the Kaiser’s son-in-law was the most senior to lose the British titles. He used his German titles of Duke of Brunswick and Prince of Hanover. His grandson is married to one Caroline of Monaco, who since Monaco recognizes his fairy tale titles out ranks her brother Prince Albert as she is a Royal Highness and he is a Serene Highness

I would be concerned Harry would turn suicidal if they ever divorce because I can’t really imagine what the hell he would do after that.

she said she wants to live "authentically", I'm sure wearing the blood diamonds earrings from saudi prince fits the bill.

this woman is so full of shit. that part about killing herself was so fake. terrible actress.

i mean, she's not poor, she can't afford a shrink?

She was throwing proverbial shit to the wall to see what would stick r53. There are only a few HR dept heads working for the Palaces - this person will be located and questioned about what happened, if in fact it did.

There needs to be serious follow up as to who she spoke with, besides Harry. Who is the mysterious "friend of Diana" who was supposed to have intervened and helped? Who told H&M that she couldn't go to inpatient treatment, what exactly was said in full? Their description of what was said to them was so unbelievable. Deets please.

r54 that is the biggest open con here. "I was kept hostage, I couldn't drive myself!". Kate was papped today driving around! "I couldn't call Uber!". Yeah, not into the palace gates dear, it's a security risk. You have a chauffeur on call 24/7. "They kept my passport!". How did you get to Cannes, Italy, and NYC then?

The press needs to do its job bigtime here and dismantle all the questions, dissect them, outline them and ask for clarification. If H&M refuse, that's all you need to know right there. "Speak our Truth" right.

Lady Louise and Lord James Wessex don't use their HRH titles and probably never will. It will be silly for Archie, who won't even live in the UK, to use his, but you know if Charles doesn't strip them he and Baby Sis will.

R33 - they released a statement showing 'concern' about Meghan and an investigation of her yet no such statement or investigation re Andrew. Basically says they don't care about Andrew's alleged rape of a minor. He should be investigated by police. Not allowed to resign. Also I'm sorry you get so tired.

R37 you're not a doc. Suggesting someone is borderline b/c you're too lazy to think critically about an institution you idealize is just lazy.

[quote] They tried very hard to prevent another Diana

sure rly hard lol

One other thing I would add is that I don't think the threat of not being invited to two birthday parties is as weighty as some of you think.

she said she got married 3 days before. but there were no witnesses...how the fuck is that legal? dumb cunt!

I'm on it.

[quote]Suggesting someone is borderline b/c you're too lazy to think critically about an institution you idealize is just lazy.

Personally attacking a poster because you don't have a reasonable reply to their points is just cunty, R28.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Archie has a birthright to be a prince

Meghan said: Idea of the first member of colour in this family, not being titled in the same way that other grandchildren would be... It's not their right to take it away'

Fact check: False

Archie did not have a birthright to be a prince, but could potentially become one when Charles accedes to the throne.

That William and Kate's children have the HRH title and are styled as prince and princesses - and Archie is not - stems from a ruling more than 100 years ago.

In 1917, King George V issued a written order that only royal offspring who are in the direct line of succession could be made a prince and receive HRH titles.

The Letters Patent read: '...the grandchildren of the sons of any such sovereign in the direct male line (save only the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales) shall have and enjoy in all occasions the style and title enjoyed by the children of dukes of these our realms.'

Under the rules, only Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge's eldest son Prince George - as a great-grandson of the monarch down the direct line of succession to the throne - was originally entitled to be a prince.

The Queen stepped in ahead of George's birth in 2013 to issue a Letters Patent to ensure all George's siblings - as the children of future monarch William - would have fitting titles, meaning they were extended to Charles and Louis.

Under the George V rules, Archie would be entitled to be an HRH or a prince when his grandfather Charles, the Prince of Wales, accedes to the throne.

Archie wouldn't get 24/7 security because he wasn't a prince

Meghan said: In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time, so we (had) the conversation of he won't be given security, he's not going to be given a title.

Fact check: False

Being a prince or princess does not automatically mean royals have police protection.

Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie's security is no longer paid for by the taxpayer.

Harry and Meghan no longer receive British police protection, and are understood to be paying for private security.

I'm sure both the Palace and the UK press have people investigating every single assertion made by Meghan and Harry. The responses will come out in the media along and along over the days to come. She'll be proven for the liar she is, but that probably won't affect the attitudes of her stans like R28. They use the same lame defense tactics over and over again, and when those don't gain traction, they insult people who don't agree.

R61, OK, so that's a job for the police, not the Royal Family. What statement of concern did they release about Megalomaniac? What should they say about Andrew? He's no longer a serving member of the Institution? What would expect his family to do? Throw him under the bus because you have decided he's guilty of something? Your illogic... I'm surprised you can spell.

The security thing is such bullshit. As long as his parents had security, he had security.

Harry was financially cut off from the royals

Harry said: 'My family literally cut me off financially, and I had to afford security for us'

Fact check: They wanted to be financially independent

When Harry and Meghan announced their intention to step back from being senior royals, they said they wanted to be 'financially independent'.

Before cutting ties, 95 per cent of their money came from Prince Charles's income from the Duchy of Cornwall, and 5 per cent from the taxpayer-funded Sovereign Grant.

Princes William and Harry received most of a £13million fortune left by their mother Princess Diana. Harry is also thought to have had millions left to him by the Queen mother.

Meghan has not seen Samantha Markle in almost 20 years

Meghan said: 'The last time I saw her must have been at least 18, 19 years.'

Fact check: False

During the interview Meghan distanced herself from her half-sister Samantha, who she said she hardly knows and she grew up 'an only child'.

A photograph from 2008 - 13 years ago - shows Meghan with Samantha at her graduation.

[quote]One other thing I would add is that I don't think the threat of not being invited to two birthday parties is as weighty as some of you think

Not to a borderline.

She's a liar.

[quote] Your illogic... I'm surprised you can spell.

lol R69

This is exactly like Panorama: It makes a huge splash and generates tons of positive publicity for the interviewee(s) in the short term, but in the long term they will come to regret it bitterly. Especially since it's been less than 24 hours, and the press is already pointing out all the lies and half-truths.

Yes R76 thankfully the unbiased press can guide the public and show us who is right and wrong.

Meghan won't ever regret it. Harry will.

I believe Meghan...this interview is engrossing...can’t see her making this shit up.

How many times are you going to post that, R77? It's not getting any fresher or more relevant.

Would someone please explain how all three of them had security in Canada (the RCMP helped the London Metro PD) if their security benefits were already cut off?

What a dumb question--there security was cut off AFTER they got to Canada. But don't let the facts get in the way of your dragging this couple through the muck. Carry On, Stupid.

They wallow in muck like a couple of sows. Nobody need drag those scum anywhere. They're the lowest of the low.

Kate and George today. I wonder if George went back to school?

Yes, R82, because they ceased conducting official royal duties.

Dig through your pocket change and donate it to their security fund if you're so concerned about them.

The funny thing is, you cunts, is that in six months or six years or six centuries, it will be clear who is trying to live happy lives and who is doubling down on racist privilege and chauvinist traditions.

I always find cunts such a compelling argument. You make Meghan proud.

Based on what, R83?--let's seem some facts not from The Sun or other asshole rag.

Happy, stable people leave 'toxic' situations and move on with their lives. They don't make a career out of whining to the media.

Based on the garbage they talked for two hours last night.

You talking about Harry, R86, who has said and done numerous racist things, such as dressing up as a Nazi for a costume party? Or openly using racial slurs?

I imagine with her character Meghan Markle would still be [italic]trying[/italic] to live a happy life in six centuries. People like her, they struggle so.

R80 as long as people keep shit-posting that the british press is somehow fair and unbiased then I'll post it. It's a very effective link in that it visually undoes any shred of belief when people act as if they British tabloid press have any standing in this whole situation. They're not to be trusted and this proves it. sorry I know it's inconvenient for your way of thinking tho I understand why you're frustrated.

R86, people leading "happy lives" with fairytale endings do not make two-hour infomercials about how "our family is so awful but we need more money from them and more titles RIGHT NOW. Like yesterday. Get that check in the mail!"

Keep cherry-picking that evidence, R93. It doesn't make you any more credible, but it's clear you don't care about that.

It’s as though Harry never met his family and the firm prior to getting involved with Meghan.

Why is he so shocked/disappointed/angry/confused at what has happened?

Seems like he wasn’t paying attention or did not care. If he did, why wouldn’t he make her away of potential issues prior to the marriage?

I watched half an hour of it and had to turn off. That's the first time I've heard Meghan speak at length, and I just find her so cloying and inauthentic, not to mention extremely passive-aggressive. I'm not a monarchist, but I wouldn't trust Meghan as far as I could throw her.

And obviously the comment about the baby's skin colour was completely out of line, and nobody should be subjected to that. But Harry's not exactly whiter than white (pun unintended) in that area himself. He went to a fancy dress party dressed as a fucking Nazi, and used the words "Paki" (considered VERY offensive in the UK) and "raghead" on camera.

[quote]Fairly sure they meant acting lessons.

[quote]Have you seen the show?

Princess Margaret would not have been impressed.

I want to hear exactly what was said about Archie's skin color before I declare the entire BRF to be racist. Vague hints and then a vow never to reveal the conversation is bullshit evasion and a way of hinting at damaging claims that they can't back up.

R96, you have to keep in mind that Harry is quite stupid.

"Excuse my beauty."

I doubt she was suicidal. I think it is more copying of the Diana narrative. I could see her threatening, as she is obviously quite manipulative. Since a psychiatrist was hired for Diana on her honeymoon the idea that Megsy would be barred from mental health treatment seems implausible. How can Harry be held out as someone with expertise on mental health issues when they both claim he did not get his own, pregnant, wife treatment?

[quote][R96], you have to keep in mind that Harry is quite stupid.

There can be no doubt of it now.

Can you imagine if he hadn't been born where he was? He couldn't turn a hundred-grand a year. She wouldn't step over him on her way to whatever she defines as the top.

Ah yes R77, the paragon of balanced journalistic reporting that is the Buzzfeed article.

If you can't see the difference between Kate wearing a tiara at a Buckingham Palace reception and Meghan wanting to haul along a tiara for a tour of Fiji, then I'm not surprised you fall for Markle's bullshit.

Buzzfeed is the new But Kate's skirt!

I will continue to believe that Harry and Meghan should have dated a little longer before getting married, which would have given Meghan the opportunity to get a better handle on what she was getting herself into. But I believe the skin complexion comment came from William and he was the one who was most against the marriage.

What Meghan has experienced is just nasty, nasty racism. It makes me sad at how some of you are so willing to bury your heads in the sand when it comes to racism. All of this Meghan hate, you cloak it in everything but what it truly is and we all see it. When you're on the same side as Piers Morgan and Fox News you lose all credibility.

[quote]What Meghan has experienced is just nasty, nasty racism . . . . All of this Meghan hate, you cloak it in everything but what it truly is and we all see it.

That is a sweeping generalization which does not line up with the facts. Did she experience some racist commentary in the press? Sure. Is that why we dislike her? Nope. I dislike her because she is a narcissist, an opportunist, and a bully. Her (very pale) skin tone has absolutely nothing to do with it.

To imply that a woman of color cannot also be an asshole IS racist, as it reduces all of them to a victim stereotype that many WOC would resent.

R95 lol cherry picking doesn’t apply after 20 examples. Show me one inverse example.

[quote]But I believe the skin complexion comment came from William

There is absolutely no evidence of that. If Meghan had that kind of explosive information, she'd have used it. But boy, doesn't she want us all to believe it? She doesn't dare come straight at him the way she came at Kate, but she'll vaguely hint as much as she can.

[quote] What Meghan has experienced is just nasty, nasty racism. It makes me sad at how some of you are so willing to bury your heads in the sand when it comes to racism. All of this Meghan hate, you cloak it in everything but what it truly is and we all see it.

Who is this “we” dear beyond the voices in your head?

Do you know what is sad? People lacking a healthy sense of skepticism who then get suckered by histrionic, emotional pleas from obvious grifters and narcs.

Surprised they let the kids stay up.

Did the tabs ever post MM's topless photos?

R108, 20 examples out of the thousands of stories that have run about Kate and Meghan IS cherry picking. Kate was raked over the coals fore and aft for 12 years--the negative press didn't taper off until George was born. She put up with it all and kept doing the work. Meghan didn't last two years, and she spent half that time on maternity leave.

LOL R111. I love that Hillary remained in the shot.

I think Americans love this story because it makes them feel less racist. "We understand racism and are empathetic and progressive, unlike our former colonial oppressor."

It's a salve for Trumpism and good branding during BLM. But as a human being, she's a poor choice of poster child.

Meanwhile, the Chauvin trial began today.

Good thing MM and Harry left racist Britain for the safety of the US!

RIP, Princess of Arizona

R113 as I said, show me one in reverse.

Tabloid coverage of Kate is nicer to Kate these days b/c it allows the tabloids to smear Meghan in a way that makes it seem less like they’re being cruel for no reason rather than they’re just innocently pointing how how someone else did it differently....better...classier....more *appropriately*. Racist dogwhistle trash.

R118, have you seen Kate in action? She is charming at best and at worst inoffensive. Anything else is projection.

Here's an article detailing some of the early negative press about Kate, including those invasive topless photos:

I don't know R118...I still think if the Harkles kept their heads down & rallied around the flag during COVID, the tabs would be talking about what a breathe of fresh, spirited air she is in comparison to Kate, pulling her hair out over homeschooling her kids. Yes, her American ways would still rankle some, but supporting the UK during COVID might have won her a lot of points and taken some of the weight off the older royals.

A Telegraph article from 2012 detailing the negative coverage of Kate.

Tabloid headlines of Kate over the years: they called her lazy, common, anorexic, etc. They took topless pictures of her when she was relaxing at an isolated estate. But none of this is as bad as what Meghan went through?

All the times Kate got raked over in the press over the years:

Still waiting on one example where Kate got less favourable treatment than Meghan for the same for something that they both did, post 2016 (tabloids starting the comparison). These “wow the tabloids were also mean 2 Kate years ago” isn’t relevant sorry. We have 20 examples of Meghan getting comparatively worse treatment than Kate, can anyone find one example of reverse? Nobody? Willing to be proven wrong btw but something tells me I won’t be!

Oh, now you're moving the goalposts? Of course Kate got better treatment by 2016, but that's not comparable to Meghan's situation. For the first 12 years of her association with the Royal family, Kate was treated much worse. She withstood it longer and with far more grace. By the time Meghan came along, Kate had settled into her position with the public and the press. To compare Kate in 2019 and Meghan in 2019 is a false analogy. Their identities and positions were by no means the same.

Don't try to reason with anyone about Kate vs Meghan. They're deeply, unreasonably focused on Kate and it's a huge piece of their evidence of racism. Meghan exposing Kate for the crying story was beyond the pale, that will be the end of any relationship between Will and Harry forever. She is pathologically jealous of Kate's treatment and desperate to destroy her, and so are her fans. It's wildly unfair to Kate. Who, again, will never do or say anything about it because she has ...

Class.

R126 I’m not moving goalposts at all, the buzzfeed article I linked is all comparisons of how Meghan would be reported on unfavorably in relation to Kate, where the reporting would cover them doing the exact same thing. I asked for examples of the reverse and ppl are just listing random old articles that are negative to Kate, but that’s not relevant, the comparison is a requisite. I hope that helps!

You and your stupid Buzzfeed article are promoting a patently false analogy. There's no point engaging with it--or you.

R77, Catherine and Meghan are not equals. Catherine will be Princess of Wales and then Queen. Meghan will be a Duchess if she can manage to hang on to it.

Their positions in the family, in society and in history are nowhere near each other. Catherine is important, Meghan is the divorcee wife of the spare who was around the royal family for two years before she threw a tantrum and fucked off.

R129 so I’m guessing that’s a no then lol. If it was a false analogy and not a pattern then there would be examples in each direction, this is basic logic. No need to reply.

Nothing is "a requisite" here, kid. People will answer you however THEY see fit, not how you demand.

Poor thing, you know the Harkles are going to crash and burn. It's only a matter of time.

I look at R84 and all I see is George VI on Michael Middleton's head. But increasingly the Windsor genes will not be denied. Though William is much like his mother.

[quote]the buzzfeed article I linked

Imagine typing this in earnest and expecting everyone else to go along with it.

Buzzfeed has ... how many Pulitzers? Or is it Nobels?

This whine of Rachel's, how she "wanted to go away and get treatment" but the palace told her it wouldn't look good, what did she actually want? To check herself into a mental hospital? Where? Had she had a diagnosis that required such drastic action? When she went to HR did she present them with this serious diagnosis and demand they allow her to go away somewhere? Where? Did she want to go sit in the sun and see a shrink while backing everyone into a corner where they had to pretend she wasn't a selfish, money-grubbing, fucking bitch?

It all seems deeply fishy and I'm not buying it. Looks like it's just another manipulative turn she took trying to bend the royal family to her will. They said no, she upped the ante by threatening to leave, still expecting them to cave in to her demands and they wouldn't do it. The Queen doesn't negotiate with terrorists. The Harkles fucked off and good luck to them. Now the royal family will take their revenge on them for the next 50 years. Hope it was worth it to that fucking malignant narcissist Rachel.

Now that he's given her asset baby #2 she makes him sleep with the rescue chickens.

I won't be surprised if Meghan rides her broom over to the Taj Mahal to replicate the same mentally ill "I'm all alone in this" photo op.

She's so transparently desperate to have Diana's superstardom, its laughable.

R132 I’m indifferent to H&M, but I can’t stand both the British royal family and the British tabloid press. I don’t know any self respecting gay man that would ever defend any of the Brit tabloids, given what they’ve said about gays in the past. I don’t care about H&M as individuals but I absolutely champion them in this instance, any damage to the standing of the royals is a positive thing. Any gay man on here commenting in favour of the daily mail, or the telegraph, or the express, should take a really long look in the mirror.

I love Oprah being worried about Meagain being half herself.... given Oprah's thing for being twice any human size.

Lady Colin Campbell is up with a new video - 1 hour and 21 minutes long!!!

Description: Meghan, Harry & Oprah interview dissected and contextualized

Wow!

I need to get something to eat before I start this.

Lady C's analysis of the show is great and she knows *everything* about all of them.

It's worth the hour and a half.

I hope she at least watched the interview. These types can’t really be trusted.

From the Telegraph:

The Queen 'wants more time to consider statement' Buckingham Palace is yet to respond on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's explosive interview with Oprah Winfrey after it was aired in the on Monday night.

It is understood that palace officials have prepared a statement but the Queen had not signed off on it on Monday night as she wanted more time to consider it.

However, all senior members of the Royal family are expected to carry out a succession of public engagements this week where they are likely to face questions about the interview.

-- The Times said the original statement cited love and concern for them.

Now the Queen's having a think.

Seems like [italic]the[/italic] clan granny is not best pleased.

I’m 15 minutes in R141 and all I have to say is Lady C, please come sit by me.

She’s fabulous! Back to the video.

so UK DLers, what's the reaction over there now that it's aired? End of the monarchy? down with sussexes?

The question I have is, do H&M have anything more to offer. No, I don't mean more dirt on the monarchy, I mean are they going to move beyond their royal status and actually do projects and interviews where they don't make reference to their previous life? Because if they keep laying out the dirt in interview after interview soon enough it will look like the go nothing else.

If you're prepared to lie, you never run out of material, do you?

*cheers*

Who's put the ex in Sussex???!!!

What about their SussexRoyal line of goods? What's happened to that?

My favorite Harry line -

"I was trapped, but I didn't know I was trapped" ....

(until Meghan told me I was trapped, then fer sure I knew I was trapped!)

I'm genuinely intrigued as to what sort of statement Buckingham Palace will make.

IT WILL BE RACIST!!!!!

R152 The British Press are saying the three palaces (Buckingham, Clarence House and Kensington) have a statement drafted, but the Queen allegedly wanted to wait to judge public mood in the UK before signing of on it. Whatever the statement it, It is likely going to be brief. It'll like announce an independent investigation in mental health matters at the palace (to see if there is any evidence to back up Meghan's claims), they will absolutely 100% deny the Archie is not getting HRH because of his racial background. And then I think shockingly they will extend some kind of an olive branch e.g. they remain beloved members of the family and we hope to work through out problems.

They will not be stripped of their titles (although ironically they will lose them and Archie's potential HRH status if the monarchy goes down) at least not while the Queen is alive.

R146, the people I've discussed it with didn't think Meghan came across well (even though none of us are monarchists). In fairness, that's a pretty small sample size! Judging by the replies to the BBC News's tweets about them, opinion seems mixed, with a slight anti-Sussex leaning (and a lot of "who cares?").

A well-balanced article from a Canadian publication that does poke some holes in Meghan and Harry's claims. Particularly about Archie's title.

Lady Colin Campbell is hilarious.

On Meagain's blog: " for arrivistes and ignoramuses"

"merching products she could not afford"

"She has been elevated to a position of great disadvantage"

"I don’t think meghan’s curable.. let's save our sympathies for those who are her victims."

"Diana tried to kill herself with a potato peeler"

"Then she over eggs the pudding. She’s such a drama queen. And then loses the support of the rational viewer."

"The fantasist and the hypocrite comes right out and says it"

and my personal laugh out loud favourite:

"I'm a money grubbing businesswoman. I married this dolt. I’m gonna make as much money as I can."

I checked Lipstick Alley and was surprised to see the posters there seem pretty anti-Harry & Meghan.

Lady C is fabulous , R141!!! I’m sitting on the edge of my seat, with “Go, Girl!” in my brain.

It’s a bit odd that Megan went to HR asking about mental health treatment. Assuming she had a team of doctors at Portland hospital, she didn’t have anyone there she could ask? It seems like she went to HR for another reason. Was she trying to create a paper trail? Some defense over her crappy treatment of staffers? She did end up getting treatment. She briefly mentioned a friend of Diana’s who I assume to be Julia Samuel, a psychotherapist who is also godmother to Prince George.

R160– she admitted she wanted in person treatment. Not that she needed it but wanted to set the narrative of “victim” for the future

I don't ever remember Meghan being out of the limelight for more than a few days when she was pregnant. Yet she claimed she spent months locked in the Palace. All people have to do is go over look at the Court Circular to see everyone of Meghan's public events since her marriage to Harry.

R162 Plus all those trips on private planes! Also, didn’t they have a country house rental near Soho House at this time? Is she actually brilliant making such a fuss about Archie’s title now, so that he HAS to receive the prince title when Charles becomes king or else “racism” accusations will fly?

That's what she's trying to do, r163, but I doubt it will work.

No Prince Archie. No Princess Dianadoria.

R163 Charles likely won't be King for another few years H&M will be irrelevant by then. Who knows Harry may have custody of Archie by then.

What "palace" was she locked up in?

I don't think their rented spread at Soho House counts, does it?

R165 "Charles won't be king for a few years..."

uh, the Queen is 94 and her 99 year old husband is probably on his last legs.

Every month she gets, is a gift at this point.

Oprah was less cloying than I anticipated and even smelled H+M's bullshit at times. It was a good interview and now these cunts are on record with their half truths.

The UK papers are reporting the British royal family is devastated over this, and that Charles is taking it particularly hard.

The Queen is refusing to sign today an anodyne statement her courtiers have drawn up insisting on family support and concern for the Sussexes, and insists she and Charles and William need another day to discuss options--which likely means she's either really angry with the Sussexes or afraid of making things even worse.

R168 The Queen's instinct is to "never complain, never explain" so I do think she probably rather just get on with business as usual. But at the same time, I'd imagine she is very hurt and angry by this. Harry went off on the institution she has represented for 70 years, an institution that provided Harry with a very privileged life, at a time a time of global crisis and personal sadness as her 99 year old husband is likely dying in hospital. I mean sorry but she has every right to be fuming. The Queen is known to be infuriated by people she feels rejects duty and she also hates celebrity and that's what Harry has done and is now. Finally, let's not forget that Harry was rumoured to be her favourite grandson. The Times is suggesting the Queen wants see what the reaction is in the UK before finalizing the statement in case they need more or they can get away with less.

Charles has always been a pathetic mess but I do feel sorry for him. I think he really did try and be a good dad and he really seemed to like and welcome Meghan to the family.

And, Harry was tight with William and Kate. They both have to be very hurt.

Meghan really is a bitch for destroying Harry's relationships with his family. But, it's not a surprise. She seems to be good at sabotaging all her relationships.

But, all this mess is also the Royal Family's fault. They should have gotten Meghan out of the way years ago before she sunk her claws into dimwit Harry.

R166: “uh, the Queen is 94.” The Queen Mother died at 101 (and 2/3). I’d say R165 is spot on that Charles won’t be King for another few years.

R171 Having a long lived parent certainly can improve your chances but it's not a guarantee that you'll live as long as they did.

The Queen Mum's other daughter died at 71.

My maternal grandmother lived to be 81 and she had 3 children.

None of them made it to 70.

I'm in the UK and I have to say I just feel sad about this whole thing. I am no longer on speaking terms with members of my family and so it hits me hard that this is being play out so publicly.

Harry is traumatized from his mothers death and in his both the victim and the victimizer. This is all on him, but I suspect he's so lost in own sense of victimhood he doesn't see that and probably will only see it (if he ever does) long after it's too late.

That being said, in the UK I actually don't see support for the monarchy waning significantly. I think everyone just thinks it's sad. People who loath the monarchy will have a field day, but like every other scandal the family will regroup and the jubilee next year will be widely celebrated.

R167 Oprah was either rusty or she was acting because she didn't come off as completely authentic.

You cite anecdotal evidence, R172. Statistically, however, people with longer-lived parents are more likely to live longer themselves.

R175 Yes, and the Queen HAS lived longer than average. And, again, there's no fucking guarantee she's gonna match her mom.

"Well, her mom lived to be 101 so she probably will too!" isn't a very scientific statement.

That was a very good article R156; thanks for posting. I'm glad to see someone point out how exasperating it was that Oprah asked no follow up questions - even obvious ones - and pointed out the obvious "we're being picked on" tone of what they said.

As I thought about this later, one of the most telling things about both of them is that neither of them took any responsibility for the way things went; no "if I had it to do all over again, I would've deferred on the big wedding" or any sort of acknowledgement that they - even unwittingly - played a role in creating a bad situation. No, it was 100% the evil doings of others.

WILL WE EVER KNOW HOW MUCH $$$ M/HARRY GRABBED FROM THIS OPRHA MESSS/?????

R177 - they live in a bubble. So does Oprah. Let's be honest she was just there to let Meagain grind her race axe. Even an inexperienced interviewer would have asked 'what could you have done differently?' 'what mistakes did you make?' But even on the regret question they played victims. Oprah was good once at exposing things we didn't want to talk about or were too embarrassed to talk about. Now she's a puff piece.

And today, Sir Burl Ives tells Good Morning, Britain:

"Meghan Markle's estranged father Thomas today denied his daughter's claims to Oprah that he had 'betrayed' her before branding his son-in-law 'snotty' and declaring: 'We all make mistakes - but I've never played naked pool or dressed like Hitler like Harry did'.

IT'S ON, BITCHES! Here come the Markles to class this thing up.

TEAM BIG DADDY!

That's priceless r180. Holy shit. You gotta hand it to the Markles, always good for a quote.

It may be coincidental (or maybe not), but Meghan's alleged suicidal ideation was supposedly around Dec 2018-Jan 2019, when she was pregnant with Archie. That was the same time period that Melissa Toubati quit, and wasn't it same time period that Harry confronted Jason Knauf re the staff bullying claims, begging him not to carry out an official HR complaint? And now we hear of Meghan running to HR with claims of mental issues then. Hmm.

R131, there ARE direct comparisons to Kate in the early years and Meghan in the early years. They both got raked over the coals by the press. To compare Kate 12 years in with Meghan 1.5 years in IS a false equivalence. But like Meghan, you disregard any evidence that doesn't fit your narrative.

Was the press awful to both? Sure. Was it awful AT THE EXACT SAME TIME? No. They press always picks on the newcomer. If Meghan had any patience or real devotion to the duty she took up, she could have endured it as Kate did. Things would have settled down by now. But Meghan doesn't want things to settle down, because she is a toxic narcissist.

Okay, now I'm truly done. You keep linking that Buzzfeed article if you want, but it doesn't make it a bit more relevant to the true histories of both women.

I'm disgusted at the Harkles and follow the BRF to know more than half of what they claimed is untrue, but for argument's sake will say that Meghan had to endure racial overtones to her media criticisms - Kate didn't. It added an extra layer of nastiness at times to her burden.

That being said, she was never up for this job and is still squeezing what she can, in the worst way, from her time with the royals. The interview was patently shameless, and shocking coming from people their age and privilege level. Being a victim of racism and racially-charged media coverage - not matter how bitter - doesn't justify or excuse H&M's public declaration of war on his family and grandmother.

Here's what I really don't get.

Suppose the bridesmaid story really was true... Kate triggered Meghan. Why wouldn't they mop that up? They had perfect cover - Kate had given birth less than month before - she would have been a mess of exhaustion and hormones still. Hell, it probably would have been the truth. Yet it was allowed to fester. They didn't even challenge it privately through a leak or sources close or what have you. And somebody had to leak it to begin with. So there were witnesses. Someone knows the truth and the only story on the record until this week was Meghan made Kate cry.

Funnily enough, despite everything, this is probably the Watergate of this whole damn mess.

This is the one that can be settled and proven and someone comes out of it with their credibility really damaged.

Meghan has artfully set up a firewall with the claim they lie to protect the more valued principals... clever tactical move... problem is most people will decide whether anything she says is credible as more and more of her assertions are assessed against fact in the coming weeks. The bases won't shift, they never do, so she's preserved the Klan Granny Tapeworms.

But somebody's credibility is on the line and I don't think this one can be kept under wraps forever.

I rate it 75-25 Me-me-me is the one who... misspoke.

meg is brangin down the monarchy//////// theyr racists she crys......they wont never let racist charles take the throne....this plan of harry n his bro succeeded......his bro takes the throne. well done!!

R47 Nice Goodfellas reference.

[QUOTE] Any gay man on here commenting in favour of the daily mail, or the telegraph, or the express, should take a really long look in the mirror.

There are no gay men amongst the Meghan critics. It's all elderly women - Klan Grannies.

12.4m people watched the interview live in the UK - almost a fifth of the entire population. It had higher ratings than the highest rated show, Strictly Come Dancing.

Meggie bringing down the royals !!!!

she a good bitch !!!!

Named Klan Posters

Please F & F any posts by the following:

SurvivingAngel

Dex

UKGuy

Zemen-wanbuis

Dutchie

Della

Edvard

Egalandy

BonniePrinceCharlie

brandonjoseph

The poster who calls everyone 'pet'

The poster who mentions borderlines or narcissists in every post

Anyone calling M & H childish names like Sparkle, Dim, Smugs, Meagain etc

"Harry, 36, looked grim and joyless for the hour he sat holding his wife’s hand and answering Oprah’s probing questions. Even when Meghan, 39, gave him permission to reveal the sex of their unborn baby — it’s a girl — his smile and little fist pump seemed strained.

When Oprah asked what “delights him” about his new life with Archie and Meghan, there was a long, uncomfortable pause when he looked desolate. He eventually cited walks on the beach and riding a bicycle with Archie.

Meghan also threw her sister-in-law, Kate, under the bus, saying that the future queen had made her cry the week before her wedding, and yet the palace allowed the media to say it was she who had made Kate cry.

“That was a turning point,” she said.

“The narrative with Kate which didn’t happen was really, really difficult and something that I think that’s where everything changed …

“The reverse happened and I don’t say that to be disparaging to anyone because it was a really hard week of the wedding and she was upset about something, but she owned it and she apologized and she brought me flowers … What was shocking was six, seven months after the wedding, the reverse of that would be out in the world … I would have never want that to come out about her ever even … I protected that from being out in the world.”

This is just psychotic. Get over it. Even if what she says is true, she got her apology note and her flowers. Move on.

She appears jealous of Kate and her position above her in the royal pecking order but has persuaded Harry that it was Kate’s jealousy that fractured the relationship.

Meghan ensnared Harry by acting out the worst nightmare of his childhood, when his beloved mother was killed with her lover in a car crash in Paris when Harry was 12.

He was powerless to save his mother then, but he is determined to save Meghan from what she led him to believe was “history repeating itself.”

“My biggest concern was history repeating itself,” Harry says, holding hands with Meghan as she gazes adoringly at him, clad in a $4,700 black Armani dress and patting her pregnant belly.

“I’m just really relieved and happy to be sitting here talking to you with my wife by my side because I can’t begin to imagine what it must have been like for (Diana) going through this process by herself all those years ago.”

You see how it works?

Asked how Buckingham Palace would react to “hearing you speak your truth today,” Meghan is smugly triumphant.

“I don’t know how they could expect that after all of this time, we would still just be silent if there was an active role that ‘the Firm’ is playing in perpetuating falsehoods about us.”

You only have to remember how cruelly she treated her own father and sister after she met Harry to understand how pitiless she is.

Now she is intent on inflicting the same cruelty, or worse, on her husband’s family."

Where did you quote that from, R191?

So should the royal family go on the attack because these two will blackmail them for all time, otherwise.

If she lied, call her a liar and say why. If somebody actual did ask about the child's skin colour, own it and why and how.

The instinct is always never complain, never explain but these two are capable of anything, it seems so does the RF basically have to rob them of any power to distort or should they just move on?

Because to some extent these are blackmailers. They will never go away and are prone to jealousy and acting out. While the monarchy rolls on, doing its job, they will increasingly have less. Does anybody truly think that charity schtick is going to work let alone keep her interested? If they were sincere about their work they would have got on with it, shut up and earned respect for their work. Kinda like the Queen, only raking in billions and partying with the kind of people that interest her.

Should the RF just rip off the bandaid and in so doing, cut the ground out from under these two?

American Social media is ALL pro Meghan. She's a powerful bad bitch hero fighting for mental health and against racism!

It's pretty cloying and ridiculous. Unquestioning, uninformed and pathetic. She's there through marriage- not a feminist. She chose and pursued and is angered she was rejected by their colonialism. It's everything that's wrong with branded American "woke" social media marketing.

I am an American but I've live in London for eight years I am also half white/half brown (my mother is Iranian). And I must admit that I think Americans screaming the "Royals are Racists" is very sanctimonious and they need to look in the mirror. Yes, 100% the UK has issues with race (most white majority countries do) BUT America is a blatantly racist country on a much large and worrying scale than the UK. The Republican Party is effectively made of white supremacists and fascists. I also find it just ever so ironic that many of the same people on Twitter who condemned the riots on the Capital Building in January are calling for Brits to storm Buckingham Palace.

I mean we've all gong on Oprah and talked bout how important our privacy is while throwing our in-laws dirty laundry around.

Famewhores bitching about privacy is sooooo 90s.

What Meghan Markle failed to understand is that royalty's power is not in what they say, but what they do. Look at any speech by a royal. It isn't persuasive. By keeping some mystique, by being figures upon which people can project, they are powerful. Their influence is implicit. They influence by showing up and largely shutting up. Royalty is about listening, not talking.

But Markle needs to talk while being at the centre of attention. Whether she has anything to say, whether she can change the subject from her victimization, whether she can bear to really talk about anything other than herself for the rest of her working life, that's her challenge. And that's before you take a stand on her motives.

First post-interview poll in UK shows more people are #TeamRoyal than #TeamSussex.

A YouGov survey has shown that more than a third (36 per cent) of Britons support the Queen and the Royal family, compared with one in five (22 per cent) who said their sympathies lie with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

More than a quarter (28 per cent) of those surveyed said they sympathise with neither party involved.

The numbers are different among groups: 18 to 24 years olds are the most supportive of Meghan and Harry while people over 55 are the least supportive. Between between 25 and 35 are more divided.

I see Meg! 🎶 Waitress, Actress, Duchess, Lover 🎶 I see Meg! And I like what I see!

I don't think this interview changed many minds. Those who already disliked and distrusted Meghan still do. Those who were supporting her still support her. Whether that support can turn into a viable career in California remains to be seen.

R201 the only thing it changes was it turned Meghan into a massive celebrity in the US.

So a couple things making the rounds on Twitter: Meghan was friends with Princess Eugene before she met Harry?!

Andrew Morton's biography of Meghan says that her friends from high school (none of whom she speaks to anymore) all say she was obsessed with Diana.

Allegedly the Canadian Media has footage of Meghan going into a tirade against crew members on Suits in front of some of the very cast members who are defernding her. Also the Sun in the UK has video of Meghan screaming at staff during an event.

I sat through the interview last night and there is one thing I noticed (beyond the fact that Meghan kept blinking like crazy every time she made a claim about the royals) when Harry is first asked about who made the comment about Archie's skin colour, he looked shocked and a bit pissed (but they cut away quickly). I don't think he was expecting Meghan to have brought that up. Also Harry is totally suffering from some form of depression. He doesn't see like more fun upbeat person he was before Meghan. He's also got some classic depression gut going on.

[quote] And today, Sir Burl Ives tells Good Morning, Britain:

"Have a holly, jolly Christmas!/It's the best time of the year!..."

R203, my partner, who will NOT ENGAGE in this with me because he couldn't care less, said Harry looks like a battered wife.

[quote]the only thing it changes was it turned Meghan into a massive celebrity in the US.

She's been a massive celebrity since May 2018. I don't think this made her any more famous. But the interview DID make her an even bigger target. If there is footage of her treating people like shit, it's going to leak. The Palace will make sure of that.

Meghan has keyed into every single one of Harry's issues: his jealousy of William, his rage at his family, his sorrow over losing his mother. If she dumps him, he'll be catatonic. They'll have to ship him back to the UK the way North Korea shipped Otto Warmbier back to the US.

SPARKLE is a fucking PSYCHO CUNT!!!

It was on full display, R208. Most adults have had life experience with such types, count yourself lucky if they did not marry into your family and if you no longer work with them.

Harry rarely raised his eyes. Even if furious, his family must be worried about him.

How could you have another child with someone who theatened to off herself when preggo with the first?

This is not going to end well for Harry or those kids. Harry seems so disconnected, even from his son.

BBC alert: race issues raised are 'concerning' and will be addressed by the family privately.

It said: "The whole family is saddened to learn the full extent of how challenging the last few years have been for Harry and Meghan.

"The issues raised, particularly that of race, are concerning. Whilst some recollections may vary, they are taken very seriously and will be addressed by the family privately.

"Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved family members."

So they are going never complain, never explain.

Cue the continued whining by the Harkles within 30 minutes to 30 days.

The press release is perfect and is as it should be.

I hope 'in private' they strip Meghan and Harry of everything they have.

As it should be.

I think that is actually a really good response.

Whilst some recollections may vary = she's such a liar.

The BRF are chastened and aren't going to do a thing, let alone compound the racism by taking their titles while the Pedo of York bounces around unscathed.

Don't you have to find your hairnet or go empty bedpans or whatever it is low-skilled tapeworms like you actually do if you're not collecting benefits?

From a dispassionate, pointed, informed analysis of how Meagain botched it:

"The fact was, the Queen assigned Meghan one of her most experienced advisers to guide her through her first year – the very antithesis of the insidious “grey men” who supposedly thwarted her every move. I have known Samantha Cohen for a dozen years and have watched her navigate high pressure situations on overseas Royal tours. She is a total professional, smart, loyal and knowledgeable as well as congenial. She was thoroughly dedicated to showing Meghan the ropes. Not only did Meghan fail to express gratitude, it has been credibly reported that she treated Cohen poorly, by one account subjecting her to exceptional stress. "

Meghan and her supporters aren't dispassionate, reasonable people. That's not their bag. They're the wild and the passionate, who "follow their hearts" (code for selfishly doing whatever they want, damn the consequences); and then there are the boring, dutiful kind who clean up their messes.

#meghanshouldhavedoneit

Have we discussed Archie’s wonky eye?

From the Telegraph article above:

[quote]Of the many shocking statements made by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex in their full-scale assault on the monarchy during their two-hour interview with Oprah Winfrey, the most peculiar was surely Meghan’s claim to know nothing about the British monarchy when she first met Harry. She was so incurious that she didn’t bother to read a volume of history or biography. She said she didn’t even do an internet search to learn the basics. Her knowledge of the Royal Family, she said, was based only on what Harry “was sharing with me.” Astonishingly, as a graduate of well-regarded Northwestern University, she said her sense of Royal life was based on “fairytales.”

This is Meghan plagiarizing AGAIN. That's the Diana narrative exactly, that her head was so full of fairytales and romance novels that she didn't understand what she was getting into. That's believable with a naive, undereducated 19-year-old living 40 years ago. For a college-educated, divorced woman of 35 living in 2016 to claim the same thing beggars belief. Anyone who believes Meghan's bullshit is either hopelessly biased or ridiculously credulous.

That Telegraph article is indicative of what will happen in the UK. Public conciliatory gestures by the Palace while their PR people clandestinely drip drip drip poison to the press. The next few months are going to be a delicious time for Royal gossip.

And the end of Meghan's grasp on the public imagination. If somewhere else is dumb enough to fall for her, well, it was an American identified the relationship between suckers and time.

Meagain better be careful. The next Lord Chamberlain (April 1) used to run MI5.

If anybody knows how to unearth useful secrets...

Stop comparing Meghan with Kate and Diana, she is Sarah Ferguson! She married the spare. Compare how the press between those two. Sarah's daughters are princesses because their grandmother is the queen. Once Charles becomes king, the childrens of the spare are entitled to be princes independent of their color. At least that was "before"

I betcha Meghan makes Harry cry.

He looked on the verge of tears during the interview and his body language was revealing. Almost like he was balled up and wanted to disappear.

The line in which Harry stated that he didn't know he was trapped until Meghan effectively helped him see it, speaks volumes! It's a clear statement of someone who is in an emotionally manipulative relationship.

Yeah, he has Hearstian levels of Stockholm Syndrome.

Harry and Meagain are the new Pence and Mother.

You know how Meghan said her keys were taken away...she didn't have a British diver's license nor did she own a car. Also Royals are often seen driving themselves around their estates and London.

She got on a plane and went to NYC for a baby shower, but she couldn't go to a private mental health facility?

The royals are so fucking racist that they stood up to Margret Thatcher to oppose apartheid (even allowing the Queen's personal views of Thatcher to be leaked to the press) and Nelson Mandela would go one to be one of the Queen's personal friends (the only non-royal allowed to her call her Elizabeth). And oh yeah forget all the charity work Charles and William has done in Africa and the Caribbean.

This will end in crocodile and roast chicken tears...

New poll in the UK shows 56% of Brits believe Harry and Meghan should relinquish their titles and be removed from the line of succession.

Drip . . . Drip . . . Drip . . .

So, what's MeAgain's next move after this brouhaha settles down?

Cause you know the bitch is gonna be unhappy when the media moves on to something else and off her.

I foresee a pretty consistent pattern of her dropping little bombs every few months about how awful it all was until it's to the point of nobody giving a fuck except for her core group of diehard fans.

Eventually, it'll be interviews of her looking wistful and sad that the Royals have rejected darling Archie and Diana II.

R211, notice the pointedly casual reference to "Harry and Meghan."

And, as for projects, these will all happen eventually:

A cookbook

A lifestyle book or a series of them: "Meghan's Ducal Gardens!" and "The Duchess of Sussex Style Guide!"

Children's books because every desperate celeb does one, or hopefully, a series of them ala Fergie. And, eventually, an animated special or series based on said books. And, merch. Lots of merch.

A book about "Strong Women!" featuring Megs in conversation with other amazing women or a book of historical powerful women (all ghostwritten). Possible series of a specials.

"The Beauty and Bounty of Africa" by the Duke and Duchess of Windsor

"Memories of Mum" by the Duke of Sussex

"In Diana's Footsteps" by the Duchess of Sussex

"The Sussex Stretch! A Guide to Physical Well Being!" a series and book and merch line

"Sussex Grrrrrrrl Power: Building Girls Into Strong Powerful Women!"

R237 at some point people will stop buying what she's selling (more in the UK than in the US) The more holes poked in her story (and that will be happening) the more moderate or indifferent supporters will basically move on. UK reports (and some socialites like Lady C) are all hinting the British Press are all sitting on negative stuff about Meghan. They are not going to publish it right now because if they do, it'll just serve the narrative that the UK Press is horrible to her and racist. But it will come....she has pissed off even Liberal minded press agents and it will not be pretty when they move to take the bitch down.

Ooooops! Freudian slip on the African book with the "Duke and Duchess of WINDSOR" boo boo!

My bad!

Another hole in the Duchess' story: In 2018 the Times reported (by Valentine Low) that the Palace had arranged "Princess Training" for Meghan under the instruction of one of the Queen's top aides. The training was for six months, Meghan attended!

The way you grotesque Klan whores quote the right wing Telegraph and Times and even the scum Mail and Express as if they were bibles is sickening. No gay man would ever value those publications. Fuck off back to Stormfront.

F and F the dumbass illiterate jerk calling everyone tapeworms. Lead Klan cunt.

The Suitcase Girl didn't learn the lines she should have learned.

Sorry touched a nerve, R176.

I'm kind of enjoying the fact that Piers Morgan quitting GMB is now getting more media attention in the UK than Meghan and Harry LOL. He's probably jerking off to this.

Soooooooo this is interesting.

MM has a pattern of dumping and moving on. How might that be possible following the current scenario? She is pushing or rumored to actually be in, her early 40s and soon will have 2 kids. She seems a bit demanding and unstable and while attractive, is not a great beauty. In what scenario might a wealthy man be interested? If she does trade up, will she mail the rings back?

Who thinks more info on the purported early marriage at NW to the now lawyer will come out soon?

[quote]For a college-educated, divorced woman of 35 living in 2016 to claim the same thing beggars belief. Anyone who believes Meghan's bullshit is either hopelessly biased or ridiculously credulous.

She is now a college-educated divorced woman of 38 who watches The Little Mermaid with her 36 year old husband, and compares her life trajectory to cartoon Princess Ariel, on national television. What do you expect of her followers? They aren't rational.

[quote]That Telegraph article is indicative of what will happen in the UK. Public conciliatory gestures by the Palace while their PR people clandestinely drip drip drip poison to the press. The next few months are going to be a delicious time for Royal gossip.

Indeed. Drip, drip drip....

[quote]The bases won't shift, they never do, so she's preserved the Klan Granny Tapeworms.

'Klan Granny Tapeworms' is excellent and must be used again. (Chefs kiss).

Even if Meghan is only once-divorced and the age she states, she's still not going to attract a billionaire. She has two children and is almost at the end of her realistic fertility window. She's pushing 40 and, as you say, attractive rather than beautiful. Most importantly, she has shown herself to be unstable, disloyal, and vindictive. Any man with enough intelligence and ruthlessness to become a billionaire is going to run far away from her.

[quote] She has two children

Not yet. Anything could still happen with the second pregnancy.

Remember what happened to Krystle when Alexis went skeet shooting...

So the Prime Ministers of the three major Commonwealth countries of which the Queen is Head of State (New Zealand, Australia and Canada) have all said they have no plans to have debates about the future of the monarchy. PM Trudeau in Canada also stated that removing the monarchy would be a long and difficult process due to the constitutional work it would involve (Canada has a very difficult amending process that could take years to achieve)

It's funny how the extreme pro/anti-Meghan and Harry factions are similar. I've now read from both sides the hope or belief that M&H or the BRF are sitting on receipts that will be released soon or when necessary.

It's a mini Q-Anon.

Old Meggie has brought down the Royals !!!!

klan granny tapeworms gonna be on the dole....

Um, klan granny tapeworms is directed at Meghan's followers there, R255, but I understand the distraction of time, reflex, and excess delight colliding. I have a Lab.

When Catherine Cambridge realized Megs was faker than a 3£ note and swiftly exited the bridesmaid fitting. This is what made Megs cry!!

It could/would never happen but Lea Michelle would actually be great casting in "The Meghan Markle Story".

Strong resemblance.

VERY similar personalities.

It's the same plastic surgery over and over: Meghan, the Biden girl, Kim K, Hilaria- white, black, etc. - they all get the same nose, hair, lips and fillers. It's malpractice. Plain girls made palatable.

... because, food is cheap and readily available now (which is amazing and wonderful for human history) but for the first time ever poor people are fat.

Wrong thread sorry drunk.

Lady C is back with another installment.

If she divorces Harry within five years, she can catch an 80 year old billionaire.

But but but.... The Cuntess sMEGalomaniac always claims that she never reads any news, gossips and rumors about her in the press, doesn't she? She said something like floating above all shit storm blah blah blah. But how did she know about the fitting thing fiasco? What a lying, grifting cunt!

R263, but you see, the number one and two qualities of a valuable trophy wife are loyalty and discretion. Meghan has publicly and spectacularly demonstrated she is incapable of loyalty and discretion. No one worth their salt is going near her.

She is NOT going to stay with Harry, R265, it is astonishing to see how she acts against her own longterm interestes. She really is mentally off. Few are even going to want to work with them.

Their desperation smacks of having gone well into the capital of his trust. She is going to have to find someone else b/c his money is only going to last for so long and he seems incapable of gainful work. Who is going to want to hear preaching from these 2 on Netflix?

The massive sense of entitlement of these 2 grifters is breathtaking. Plus, I think Meghie’s goal isn’t to dethrone Elizabeth; her goal is to dethrone her interviewer.

R267 How about an All About Eve "re-imagination" with characters based on Oprah and Meghan?

I agree, R267 but she has little chance of either.

Harry and Meghan work HARD to make themselves unlikable - how will that translate to a money making brand?

They literally seem delusional. And extremely unstable, vindictive and jealous. They are becoming famously litigious. They will be business pariahs. No wealthy man would have her now, few on the planet are as damaged and as unwilling to take counsel as Hazza.

Her "proof" thus far is just more documenting of her distorted perceptions.

It is uncomfortable to watch, not entertaining.

Dude who took a job with them must be desperate himself.

How long with Ben last with the Harkels - any bettors out there? How long will the Harkles stay together? I am guessing not much longer than 2021. She will want to morph her brand into somethng like the also eggregiously mentally ill Hillaria Baldwin. Will Megs do yoga in lingerie? Time will tell.

I do hope Harry runs home to family when it all implodes, he seems quite at risk. And a bit afraid of her.

r269, they'll stay married until after the baby is born, for at least a year.

Threatening a 2nd interview, color me SHOCKED.

The second interview won't have the impact of the first. Especially if it happens so soon after, it will look like she's trying too hard to get attention and sympathy.

Michelle O was promoting her new show Netflix (kids program) on the nightly News and Jena Bush asked about Meghan comment on racism. I was expecting a more forceful condemnation of the BRF.

But, nope she was pretty neutral

R273, why would you expect that? The Obamas really like Liz, and vis versa. Michelle’s statement, referring to the importance of family and forgiveness, seemed critical of the Sussexes.

True r274. I’m glad Michelle said what she said.

Michelle Obama knows exactly what a user Sparkle is.

The following events:

1. Early on (whether before or after wedding, I don't remember) Sparkle shows up backstage when MO is in London and the media reports it as a "meeting".

2. Sparkle does the guest editor thing with Vogue and later states that she and MO shared their thoughts over breakfast. This was a lie because Sparkle was in the UK and MO is not. Later Sparkle claims it was all a mistake.

3. At the time of Megxit, reports came out the MO was advising the Sussex during this period.

4. MO, being an intelligent woman who undoubtedly understood what Sparkle was early on, came back with a great response refuting the claims and stating that she had met Sparkle only once when she (Sparkle) had "popped in" (MO's phrase) backstage at MO's London event and these tales were untrue. But, MO continued that she had met with the Cambridges about something. (Sorry, I can't find the exact statement. Can someone else find it?)

No way is MO falling for any of Sparkle's bullshit or her pr bullshit.

I burst out laughing at the "popped in" phrase - means that Sparkle just showed up and MO did not invite or expect her. Sparkle crashed the event.

The Obamas clearly understand power, who will have it and who never will.

Doubt very much that George will be king. Gen Z hate the monarchy and will have defunded them by then.

I love that Meghan can't clap back at Michelle, who is a beautiful, intelligent, strong woman who has gracefully handled more ugly racist rhetoric than Meghan will ever know.

I'm gobsmacked that Meghz thinks that she can "embellish" not only once, but three times with MO. She must think she's immune to fact checking.

And Michelle just calmly shuts her down every single time.

R276-. Also, her husband just said that the Queen is one of his favorite people.

I guess the "strong black women" anti-racist white folks will have to cancel Michelle Obama now. Or at least call her an Uncle Tom.

You know Sparkle YEARNS for Shelly O's level of respect and adulation.

And, it ain't NEVER gonna happen.

And, the Obamas are way too clever to fall for any of her attempts to latch on to their star.

She tried so damn hard the ladies on Lipstick alley said MO was going to have to report her ass for stalking, 😂

Oprah has always been exploitative, she interviewed Bobbie Kristina, Whitney Houston's very young daughter less than a month after her mother's death. In the 80s she had trash like the Synagogue of Satan on. Recently she has been touring doing culty weekend talks, pretty low brow.

Oprah may come out of this okay: Everyone admired her interview skills. Harry and Meghan are fucked, but that's not Oprah's problem, is it?

If Harry thinks his family is ruthless and cold, wait until he see what Hollywood is like when you've taken off the protective mantle of royalty.

EVERYONE didn't admire Oprah's interviewing skills.

It was a fluff interview from the Queen of Hucksterism.

Yeah how hard is it to go "Wha- wha- WHAT?" and then just let Meghan vent?

I didn't watch the whole interview, so I can't speak to Oprah's skills, but she was certainly lauded in the media. Whether that was the result of her own publicity machine or not is open to question.

Oprah could let out a wet fart and she’d be lauded in the media.

Oprah has always been and will always be blinded by the race card. It's her achilles heel. I am surprised she didn't do more research into the workings of how titles are granted, but she wanted a bombshell interview and she got more than maybe even she anticipated. Oprah is a billionaire thanks to pandering to suburban middle class white women for the bulk of her career. I'm sure she has 2 fucks to give. She was on her private jet to her stunning Hawaiian mansion and passed H&M off to Gayle on the way. No matter the money, money doesn't equal class or a place in society. At M&H's wedding, it was said that people did not know who Oprah was initially and was seated at the back of the church and she was confused on her seating. Maybe she has an ax to grind about that or the fact that she couldn't get Hermes to open their shop for her in Europe. Oprah will be fine, living her best life. At the end of the day, Meghan doesn't want the Queen's job. She wants the job of the woman who is interviewing her. I would have nailed her if I was Oprah, but I'm sure she is not losing sleep over it.

Oprah is a narcissist, according to people who have worked for her. She certainly appears to be .

'If Harry thinks his family is ruthless and cold, wait until he see what Hollywood is like when you've taken off the protective mantle of royalty.'

You've been saying this since late 2018 and it never happens - instead, they got a massive deal to make shows for the world's biggest streaming service and another 20m deal to make podcasts for Spotify, followed by a huge Oprah interview. They're being feted in Hollywood, you spastic, not rejected.

The New Yorker podcast actually went into detail on what a good job Oprah had done, how she's relevant again, etc. The editor-in-chief mentioned that she'd lost relevance with her support of quacks, but this was her coming back with something IMPORTANT. The young staffer (who made sure to mention her skin color), said that Oprah skillfully showed the viewers what to think of the revelations with her dramatic interruptions and shocked expressions.

It was interesting to hear how race-obsessed, poorly-informed Americans viewed the interview. For me, Oprah remains the Queen of middle-class white women, hucksterism, and consumerism.

In what world is a tabloid interview with 2nd string British royals, important?

And, Oprah's appeal isn't just WHITE women....she has an army of black women fans, too.

Though, I think Oprah does rank below Michelle Obama...she is GODDESS to black women. Which makes sense.

Michelle Obama was very careful in her response to the interview and did not seem to see it as a home run for dear Megs.

[quote]And, Oprah's appeal isn't just WHITE women....she has an army of black women fans, too.

Yes she appeals to both groups but her main demo in terms of who she's aims to capture has always been white middle-class women. At least it was during her talk show years.

r298 there was plenty of subtle shade in MO's comments yesterday. She really is brilliant.

Sex workers only got bananas.

They keep trying to insert themselves into the UK. And be separate. They have been told that half in half out was not an option, yet they keep trying to force it.

WHO is paying for all this PR?

Yes, I'm sure she cares so much about employment opportunities for women in a country she barely lived in, whose citizenship she spurned, and that she left as soon as she could for a luxury life in California.

R299, their PR didn't get paid enough to have the sweaty armpits photo killed.

'WHO is paying for all this PR?'

Are you one of those half witted tinhats who think that celebs go round paying the press for articles? It's a sacking offence for a journalist to even accept a drink from a client they're doing an interview with.

R302 A sacking offense? Haha, no.

R302, no, celebrities do not pay reporters. They pay PR people to place stories with the media. That's what publicists do: they offer positive items to the content-hungry press, or pressure reporters to kill unfavorable stories. Sometimes they do both at the same time; they give one item of information in exchange for suppressing another.

What is her job exactly?