Meghan was a BULLY to palace staff Part II: The Wrath of Oprah

Some of the worst collateral damage from the whole Sussexit is that it gives Oprah an opportunity to annoy more than ever. I'm so glad that she is here to save the day. I hope she will be passing our free Kia's to everyone involved.

^ That's probably why Megaloamaniac signed up.

The Palace is really fighting back, and its proof its ugly between William and Harry...Pour the tea and biscuits...

Whoa, Valentine is a guy?!

You don't fuck with the Palace.

You damn sure DON'T, R5!

Auntie Meghan is so dreadfully common.

I can believe it.

Valentine Low is a highly respected journalist. This went to the TIMES and Low precisely to give the story the gravitas it deserves - that the women who suffered at Meghan's hands deserve.

R3 - I think at this point a G&T is required.

Remember how a few months back Omid Scumbie was assuring the world that Meghan and Harry would be back in the UK to work with their charities and participate with the rest of the royals in Trooping the Colour and Remembrance Day services and how Meghan and the Queen had regular Zoom talks so the Queen could see Archie running around?

I don't think there are going to be any more Zoom talks, do you?

This is really getting ugly ugly ugly.

Any wagers on who files a lawsuit first? Meghan against Jason Knauf, or the abused staffers against Meghan?

And now the Palace is going to "investigate" the Meghan bullying story, interviewing current and past staff because they already have a "policy" and are hoping everyone can "learn" from the experience.

Not since the Duke of Windsor had Wallis' married fist up his ass has Buckingham Palace gone into a battle like this.

R8 - Ah, the Inskip wedding in Jamaica, that Meghan crashed after Harry told her to get lost so she could retrieve her lost puppy. Man, look at that jaw: made of concrete, lined with lead. Harry, on the other hand, has "defeated" written all over him.

Holy shit that’s photo at r8

Harry’s head down and Meghan looks enraged.

Egads. Harry’s gonna go back to the BRF with his tail between his legs. Hes gonna pay through the nose taking care of her and those two kids

Wow they’re really messing it up. The signal of ‘caring about staff’ collapses as soon as we see how long ago the allegations were made and how obviously they’re smokescreening and taking advantage of that issue to do it. For those making the accusations it totally torpedoes any sense of credibility. Also makes Liz look very tacky in how she’s happily engaging with this drama rather than paying any care to her dying husband in hosp.

Meghan and Harry kept flogging their victimhood until they enraged people who had actually been victimized.

The Brf and UK media are forgetting about the power of the internet too. Some UK media have a conscience. Shit is going down. I give it till tomorrow before this hits the mainstream. It's big, big, big. So big I'm not going to engage in these obvious troll threads. Just watch and laugh.

Is Harry proud of that whole"what M wants, M gets" line? How can any man want it to be known that they are whipped?

R16 It's a Windsor family trait

Oh, my sides! So much drama over small taters.

Woe is Meg

After this, she surely won't dare show her face again in the UK, will she?

I never get the sense of her as having courage. Nerve, yes - but a sneaky, you can't catch me kind of nerve. But not courage.

Wow - she just attacked the royal family directly in that clip, which I presume was film before the ex-staff members spilled the beans on her bullying.

The BRF probably don’t care so much what Americans think of this situation.

Sounds like the brits, for the most part, don’t like this phony

Wow. Get the popcorn ready. The ratings for this interview will be through the roof

I noticed that Oprah has begun to pronounce “feel” as “fill”. “How do you fill...” Oh, Oprah.

Megan’s little speech reminds me of Joyce DeWitt when she talked about the producers of “Three’s Company”: “They LIED. To my. FACE” all enunciate-y. Barely contained rage.

Why aren't her A-list friends coming out and defending her? Or the people from Suits?

It finally took a Black American to show this rich, entitled, privileged, white family how to get off their asses and earn a living on their own.

But some of them can't handle hard work and would rather spend time fucking sex slaves on Isle Epstein.

If the former black staff member or one of the POC UN women come forward and grant an interview thn it would be over for Meghan in the woke circle esp if the staff member accused her of colorism that would be deff a nono in the African american community.

The PA Melissa Touabti, the one who has widely been reported as being driven to tears (and who quit 6 months after the wedding) was French of Algerian extraction, so she is a POC too.

I wonder what the Megstans think about the fact that all of MEghan's abuse victims were women, two of whom were POC?

It's already over for Smugs, she just hasn't figured it out yet - which is kind of fun.

She thinks a lot has been lost already? Bitch, please.

QEII: "Hold my gin and Dubonnet."

I don't think the Palace cares if its Grey Men look bad at this point. They know Meghan will look worse, and she was already making the Palace look bad with her crap about being victimized. It's definitely scorched earth season.

The Palace has carried out a surgical hit. It doesn't matter if some of the public still sides with Meghan. She was hoping to totally annihilate the BRF with this interview. Instead, it's turned into she-said/they-said. They've already robbed her of her victory.

I'm not a Megstan, R28, but I'm the (female) veteran of a career in which I worked for several women just like her - none of them POC -, and I think it's par for the course.

That kind of woman hates other women, all of whom they see as potential rivals. They have Daddy issues and have eyes only for the approval of men. They are wildly ambitious, but all call "victim" the minute anyone looks sideways at them.

The backlash from black people would be extreme if she is accused of colorism esp if the staff member is darker and full black it doesn’t matter if Meghan is mixed they wont claim her anymore..

Ugh, Oprah and her “speak your truth” crap.

And Meghan moaning about “the firm” like it’s 1995.

Of course I’m watching!

She's trying to be 1995 Princess Diana. I'm going to watch Di's Panorama interview right before this, just to help me spot all the ways that Meghan is 'channeling' her dead mother-in-law. We can already see it in the makeup and choice of outfit. Will she also do the sad Diana head tilt?

I'm surprised Smugs hasn't collapsed from exhaustion long before now. She hasn't had a moment's peace since she set her cap for Harry. Every second calculated, every gesture planned, every move agonized over and plotted. You can see the self-consciousness and posing in all the photographs or video taken of her from day one with Harry.

That kind of completely fake life is a fucking bitch for these people to live. Is it any wonder she's such an insufferable cunt?

I'm betting on a big spiral after Baby #2 is born, serious post-partum depression. I don't wish that on her--I wouldn't wish that on anyone--but it would not be surprising after the chaos of the last few years.

For all the compassion and kindness Markle preaches, when is she going to say hello to her father? When is she going to let her father meet his grandson? When is Harry ever going to meet his father-in-law? These two have ice water running through their veins.

Harry and Markle don't practice what they preach. They just preach. And play the victim. It's exhausting.

So she slams the BRF and accuses them of making things up about her in the interview filmed last week.

Interesting considering that she and Harry issued a public statement yesterday directly accusing Buckingham Palace of 'smearing her character', but are now walking that back as it becomes clear that this was a "Sussex Survivor" leak, not a BP leak, according to the Guardian:

"All of those tensions are reflected in the language used on behalf of the Sussexes in the original story, including a response from their lawyers that the Times was “being used by Buckingham Palace to peddle a wholly false narrative”.

It is understood that some in the Sussexes’ camp now view that language as clumsy without evidence the palace itself was responsible for the leak – but stand by the fundamental claim that the emergence of the news now is the result of a coordinated attempt to undermine Meghan before next week’s interview with Oprah Winfrey."

How difficult is it to be decent to the help?

I'm perplexed about the whole situation actually. Why did they feel the need to give up their titles in the first place? Does Harry know sth about how Diana died? If so why not come clean and say what he knows.

Their constant victim shtick is totally phony, less and less people will believe them. This isn't the BRF first rodeo, they know how to handle a situation like this. H&M are hardly smart and they vastly overestimated their popularity outside the UK.

I don't get it, this is all too silly.

R38 I don't share the Thomas sympathy. What relationship does he have with his adult grandchildren? Didn't one of Samantha's daughters say that he hadn't even met them all? The Markle clan is a dysfunctional mass of various estrangements, not Walton's mountain

[quote] If the former black staff member or one of the POC UN women come forward and grant an interview thn it would be over for Meghan in the woke circle esp if the staff member accused her of colorism that would be deff a nono in the African american community.

What former Black staff member? Which POC UN woman? Meghan drives some of you completely insane with rage. I am already on her side.

R39 also from that article:

The allegations themselves are difficult – and legally contentious – for outsiders to parse. A source in the Sussexes’ camp said that they did not challenge the veracity of the emails or the reality of the specific experiences related in the story, but suggested that they had been framed in a way that presented an unfair picture.

The Guardian has been one of Meghan's staunchest supporters in the British Press. This article has a lukewarm tone compared to the pro-Meghan narrative of previous pieces about the couple.

The interview is now scheduled for two hours when it was originally scheduled for 90 minutes. Two hours of these two whining, complaining and playing the victim while living in the lap of luxury originally financed by the British taxpayer and proclaiming they want their privacy is all too much to feel any sympathy for them.

They are going to end up looking terrible for all their complaining. Harry is an idiot. Markle is no Diana who really was dine wrong by Charles and the palace. Harry and Markle should never have done the interview. It will be a public relations disaster in the long run and irreparably divide Harry's family. But if they were going to go forward, the interview should have been limited to one hour. Two hours of this bullshit is exhausting and excessively unnecessary for multi-multi millionaires who supposedly what to left alone--except that's hardly what they want.

[quote] Wow - she just attacked the royal family directly in that clip, which I presume was film before the ex-staff members spilled the beans on her bullying.

Actually R21 the complaints were made in 2018, way before the clip was filmed, yet the BRF waited until now to make it public. They probably meant to do it in 2018 but just forgot right? It’s not like they would cynically use a complaint by a staff member that they didn’t give a fuck about when he needed help in order to help in some weird PR war is it? Surely not?!!!

Try Googling Natalie Campbell, R42.

Oh the poor Megstans, they must be tearing their hair out.

It just gets worse and worse for Smugs.

[quote]Also makes Liz look very tacky in how she’s happily engaging with this drama

Um, who is this Liz?

Oh - you must mean Queen Elizabeth II, Head of State of the United Kingdom! Sorry I got lost there, with the "tacky" personal nicknames.

So will the Bank of Charles cut off the allowance?

r45, the BRF didn't leak it. Her former KP staffers went to the Times with the story when news of the Orca interview broke. Probably to get their side of things out there before the interview. I'm sure none of them have fond feelings for the Harkles.

If you read the 2nd Valentine Low article, a huge chunk of the piece deals with the fact that the staffers are furious with Buckingham Palace too, and lay the blame for not protecting them from Meghan's bullying squarely at BP's feet.

[quote] They are going to end up looking terrible for all their complaining. Harry is an idiot. Markle is no Diana who really was dine wrong by Charles and the palace. Harry and Markle should never have done the interview. It will be a public relations disaster in the long run and irreparably divide Harry's family.

Harry is not an idiot. He believes that 'the Firm' murdered his mother. He had lived his whole life imprisoned by an institution he mostly despises. He is able to separate his family from those corporate types who run the BRF and do the dirty work. He knew immediately that Meghan had just enough nerve and ego to do what he needed done -- she was his ticket to freedom.

R4 Stop pretending to be a stupid American.

Of course Valentine, while not being a particularly common male’s name, is a male’s name.

Would you be more comfortable if he was called Dwayne, or Chuck, or Billy Bob?

Harry was a grown man with a substantial trust fund. He shouldn't have needed his wife to get him out of a role he hated.

r14 In life I have often found the biggest victim players are actually the biggest abusers and creators of victims of others.

[quote]Harry is not an idiot. He believes that 'the Firm' murdered his mother. He had lived his whole life imprisoned by an institution he mostly despises.

He had lives his whole life CODDLED by an institution he mostly despises. There, fixed it for you.

Imprisoned my ass.

Harry is a wildly spoiled brat with massive entitlement issues. Period. Rumored for years, but now sadly confirmed with the events of the past couple of years. There have hardly ever been any brakes ever put on him. He (and the missus) are going to find out the hard way how the mighty fall when the bill comes due to be paid. As it always does, for everyone.

r26 Are you talking about Saint Oprah former friend of Harvey Weinstein?

R45, in 2018, there was no reason for BP to publicize internal HR issues that made Meghan (who, by her own account, always needed "protection" from the evil press) look bad.

Besides, they've admitted that the incidents occurred (see R43).

Case is trusted by the Royals. He worked for William after he quit the Harkles and he is now Cabinet Secretary. If he's talking to the Times about Smug's bullying, which he is, then the BRF gave him leave to do so or he wouldn't.

It may make the BRF look callous towards the bullied employees but it also makes Smug's and Harry's tale of how they were never protected by the BRF into total dogshit.

R41. Wasn't it just almost three years ago that Markle wanted to invite her father to her wedding? Yes, that what she said she was planning to do. Of course, then it all went haywire. So yes, I agree with you that the Markle family is dysfunctional; however, we cannot compare Meghan to Samantha and and other members of the family who may or may not have a relationship with Thomas Markle. Obviously, Meghan had somewhat of a relationship with her father if she were planning to invite him to the wedding. For whatever mistakes he may have made surrounding the wedding, it's now almost three years later and she still hasn't allowed her father to meet his grandson or have her husband even meet her father.

Markle has dropped her entire family because it doesn't fit in with Montecito millionaire lifestyle. Granted, the family does seem screwed up, but she canceled her father and shows no signs of even saying hello to the guy?

What freedom r51? If they lived a quiet life and enjoyed the freedom, then yes. They can’t fucking shut up.

People will be divided on their story. Some will side with them and others not

What’s the point of this Oprah interview.? They can’t keep their mugs out of the camera.

I feel bad for kid 1 and kid 2

The story leaves Buckingham Palace looking bad. It looks like they were afraid to take measures in response to the bullying because they knew Meghan would scream the house down with accusations of discrimination, racism, you name it. Which of course, she would have done.

R51. The Firm did not murder Diana. The people who killed Diana were the paparazzi chasing a drunken driver--that's who killed Diana.

If you're implying The Firm was the cause of Diana's death because they didn't protect her? Well, she died a year after her divorce. I'm a huge Diana fan, but she was no longer a member of the family. She should have had better security who never would have allowed her into a car with a drunken driver. But the Firm did not plot her murder if that's what you're implying.

If Harry and Pa Markle ever have a chance to sit down together and talk without Smugs there every second monitoring the conversation, he might learn a few things about his wife.

She's a liar. She lies all the time, she lies for convenience, to get out of dealing with consequences, to make herself look better/smarter/prettier/whatever. She just lies.

And now she's caught and it's on the biggest stage in the world. Makes whatsherface Baldwin's lies look so tiny and pathetic. These failed fucking actresses - they're all crazy.

The MM fandom is in dump territory now. She could eat a baby live on Oprah and it would somehow be the someone's else's fault, or someone didn't "protect her", or drove her to it, or you're racist because it bothered you that she ate a baby.

Bitch is exploiting this extra attention to get more viewers.

[quote] For whatever mistakes he may have made surrounding the wedding, it's now almost three years later and she still hasn't allowed her father to meet his grandson or have her husband even meet her father.

Are you high?

Her father would sell pictures of his grandson. He repeatedly gave interviews slamming his daughter and said he would testify against her in court. She'd be as high as you are if she let her son anywhere near him. Her father's family are horrible people

Diana herself got rid of her RPO's because she thought Charles was using them to spy on her. They would have never let her get in a car with a drunk driver, and would never have allowed her to go without a seat belt.

If the BRF had had their way, she would have had the RPOs with her that night and she'd be alive today.

R65 and she fits right in with that horrible group

Megan is a horrible person, R65, the apple didn't fall far from that family tree at all.

She doesn't want her family telling Harry what a huge fucking liar she is and always has been.

Her father would also take Harry aside and tell him all about his wife's terrible tendencies to lie, obsfucate, and use and dump people once they are no longer useful to her.

And that's the main reason why Meghan never brought Harry to meet her father before (or after) they wed.

Oh, bring back the good ol' days of Diana, Princess of Wales hanging out with Sarah, Duchess of York. Those two had personality and pizzazz. For all their troubles, they did their duty and served the British public, and they put a smile of their faces while doing it. They didn't perpetually play the victim, and Diana and Sarah genuinely were done wrong by The Firm. Harry and Markle are so fucking exhausting and have no personality whatsoever.

Ironically, if Diana were still alive today, Meghan would still be in Toronto, married to that chef, and hustling hard for local acting gigs.

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R66. The queen and Charles had something to do with Diana not having royal security protection once she was divorced. But yes, royal security would never have allowed her in that car with a drunk driver.

This thread will end in TEARS!!!! What did you think I was going to say?

The type of protection MM wanted was for the queen to sue the shit out of anyone who dared to criticize her. Like fucking dump wanting all his critic punished.

The cunt-faced sMEGalomaniac showed all her true color here!

No, r73. Diana herself got rid of the RPO's because she thought they were spying on her. The BRF wanted her to have the protection. She was, after all, mother to the heir.

That photo sums up so much, r76. It's all there. The bullying of the servant, Harry hanging his head in cowed fear/shame. Meghan straining to BE HEARD. Her terrible dress sense. It's all there.

After all this "Markle is a bully" commotion a few days before the big interview airs, it surely is going to put a damper on people's view of her. With this interview, Markle was banking on a lot of sympathy coming her way. However the supposed "kind, compassionate misunderstood" wife of Harry is currently taking some hard body blows. Guess that Archewell foundation that stressing kindness is only meant for the peasants from whom she needs support. (Do as I say. not as I do.)

When Meghan gets driven off the road, is Elton doing the tribute concert?

I guess she'll tell Oprah she was racially abused by senior members of the Royal Family.

Maybe she'll reveal something explosive about Prince Andrew.

R82 Lady G sends her love.

[quote]Harry is not an idiot. He believes that 'the Firm' murdered his mother.

So why isn't he talking about this then? They are using Diana's death for their own shady publicity shtick.

R82, what more could possibly be revealed about Andrew? Cannibalism? Necrophilia? That's about all that's left.

It looks like this interview will destroy the royal family.

The Royal Family survived bigger things than a D list celeb and a disgruntled spare

The hugely popular Diana didn't destroy them. Markle won't either.

Ban this bitch from England

Where is Prince Charles in all this? Supposedly, he's taken a more active role in heading the BRF in recent years. Is he against his son? Will he turn off the financial spigot?

The Archewell website is lame as fuck. There’s no substance, just boilerplate shit

So long as those women aren't a perceived threat, right Meg?

R90. Charles is a wimp. The Harkles never would have lost their patronages and not allowed to use their HRR styles if Charles were making the decision. The 94-year old queen has more backbone than Charles.

Harry took quite a slam at Charles in this interview with the "Diana going through everything alone." Let's see of the Bank of Charles shuts off.

There are more posts out there of her deranged fandom bullying and threatening anyone who doesn't worship their idol.

R91. It's compassion one step at a time. It's the ultimate "We're all in this together" bullshit.

"The Firm" is not slang for the courtiers; it's the BRF's slang for the BRF itself. So by attacking the Firm, Meghan has thrown down the gauntlet: she is attacking the Queen and Prince William and Kate directly.

This is so stupid on her part--she cannot win. Even if a [italic]billion[/italic] people on Twitter stood with her, she still could not win. The BRF will not tolerate an attack on the Queen or on William: they are too important. Once again, Meghan has fatally mistaken celebrity and her personal sense of self-importance with what the Crown is all about.

My guess is that after the Oprah interview the Queen will rescind their titles entirely of Duke and Duchess of Sussex (which is entirely within her power); she cannot rescind Harry's title of prince, but Harry will have to style himself just Prince Harry (still with no HRH) and the best Meghan can hope for is to be styled as The Princess Henry. (They will both try to cover this embarrassment by going instead by "Harry Mountbatten-Windsor" and "Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor" to pretend they're jes' folks).

There will be no more money for them from Charles nor from the rest of the family. They will not be invited to anything having to do with the rest of the BRF: not for Philip's 100th birthday, the Queen's platinum jubilee, the unveiling of Diana's statue at Kensington Palace, nor Philip's or the Queen's funerals. And Harry and Meghan will be popularly blamed for Philip's impending death.

Oprah will no longer be invited to royal events either--she will become persona non grata forever among the BRF.

Meghan and Harry made disastrous miscalculations here.

[quote] Um, who is this Liz?

[quote] Oh - you must mean Queen Elizabeth II, Head of State of the United Kingdom! Sorry I got lost there, with the "tacky" personal nicknames.

R48 the BRF are an awful sort, unworthy of an ounce of respect. All of them, child rapist Andrew, blood diamond / offshore accounts Liz, nazi Phil, political favour ferg, cheat will, and the rest who we can just say are all total misogynists and total snobs. I can’t stand people that snivel on behalf of damaging institutions, like you or the nightmares that shore up the churches.

Child rapist Andrew? WTF!?

[quote] the BRF are an awful sort, unworthy of an ounce of respect. All of them, child rapist Andrew, blood diamond / offshore accounts Liz, nazi Phil, political favour ferg, cheat will, and the rest who we can just say are all total misogynists and total snobs.

Then that includes Meghan, who willingly married into them with her eyes open.

R91. Agreed. They're just starting out, but that Archewell website needs some punching up. And besides content, the colors couldn't be more drab. How much did they spend on that piece of lame work?

Then take your ass to a place where others share your blind devotion to this abusive, manipulative cunt. I don't think you'll be missed.

R96. You have spoken. That is harsh. Let's hope it all comes true. The Harkles are in for a rough ride as Mr. & Mrs. Jones.

Maybe I missed it, but has anyone gotten a sneak peak at the interview?

Here's the truth: The Oprah interview will go down like a lead balloon in the UK. In the US it will likely be a success (at least initially) and Meghan hailed as a hero, a strong black woman. That's just how celebrity culture works in the US. I"m giving this marriage another two to four years before Meghan takes off.

How many times will they say "Diana" or "my mother"

[quote] When Meghan gets driven off the road, is Elton doing the tribute concert?

"And it seemed to me

You lived your life

Like a screaming, shrieking cunt..."

Diana probably would've hated Meghan. She would've had Meghan's number right away.

R96 is that it? They change their name and get to skip a couple of funerals? And that’s a disaster? Lol.

How many times will she cry or abruptly stop the interview because it's just too much.

There are a couple of snippets of the interview online, r104.

Nobody sees a gold digging failed actress attacking a 94 year old lady who bent over backwards for her as "a strong Black woman" in this thing.

Americans have always liked and respected the Queen. I don't think Smugs can take her down with this weak shit but we shall see.

It would be delicious if this interview was the end of Boprah the Hut as well

[quote]They change their name and get to skip a couple of funerals? And that’s a disaster?

A HUGE disaster for a couple of grifters attempting to use that name and position for immense profit.

You know how Trudeau and Desmond Tutu and other bigwigs met with them and listened to them (or pretended to) when they attended World Youth Summits or went on tour or vacation or whatever?

Break completely with the royals, enter into open warfare (which let's face it is where this is going), lose the titles and become pariahs - there will be no more bigwig meetings for Mr and Mrs Windsor Mountbatten.

So then what becomes of the Archewell hustle? It's based on their self-proclaimed fame as international compassion empowerment feminist standard bearers, which is now crumbling.

[quote]How many times will they say "Diana" or "my mother"

About as many times as Meghan McCain says "my father."

Hey Harry, just a heads-up you might want to pass along to Oprah, your new best friend who you hardly know:

Oprah better ask Markle if she's okay or the tears will well up in her eyes, the interview will go to shit and there will be hell to pay in Montecito.

This just gets more fun.

With each new escalation, it gets harder for them to play both sides of the road, presenting themselves as both royals and as separate from them. On the one hand, they mention at every PR opportunity those Zoom calls with granny (We're still close! The Queen LOVES us! Decamping to Cali has not affected our relationship!) On the other hand, they're now calling out the Firm and Buckingham Palace for not protecting them or indeed actively undermining them.

[quote]Harry is not an idiot. He believes that 'the Firm' murdered his mother.

Which means he is an absolute idiot. SMH.

The Queen is definitely going to ask for her waffle iron back.

[quote]My guess is that after the Oprah interview the Queen will rescind their titles entirely of Duke and Duchess of Sussex (which is entirely within her power); she cannot rescind Harry's title of prince

Oh yes she can. She can remove the HRH unilaterally AND remove the princely status. Anytime, at her whim. We've been over this before, many times here.

It's actually the Duke/Duchess honor that she might not have full right of reversal, without Parliament's approval.

"The Firm" is his family.

He professes publicly to deeply love his father, grandmother, and grandfather, but I guess he's been lying all this time--he really thinks they somehow killed his mother.

R120 There's a part of me that wonders if Harry was there when Meghan's portion of the interview was filmed? In his interview with James Cordon, Harry was careful not to say anything terrible about his family, the focus was always on the British Media. Even in the brief clips we've seen of Harry's part in the Oprah he is talking about the press. Meghan seems to be going after the family. My understanding this was filmed before the Palace announced that Harry and Meghan we're going to lose their charity patronages and military titles. My guess is Meghan's original intention here was to scare the Royals into a more favorable deal that allowed them to be half-in and half-out.

Here is the other danger: These revelations show that they lied to Oprah in the interview, which risks making her look like a credulous sap. She will definitely move to save herself by denouncing them in the press. She has enough clout still to fuck them up good in Hollywood.

This is looking more and more like it will indeed be Megan's Panoramas temporary triumph at best that will ultimately blow up her entire life.

I want to hear exactly what Meghan said to the staffers she screamed at.

That's coming. The British press is whetting the public's appetite at present. The ugly specifics will come soon enough. Just wait until the individual staffers start giving interviews.

Question here: when some of Meghan's staff left Kensington Palace they were made to sign nondisclosure agreements. I'm guessing those NDAs were agreements with the Palace not with H&M directly. So, Buckingham Palace could null those NDAs right?

Oprah's still enraged about the Corden interview and Harry spilling his guts to that fat little fuck.

The Harkles told her she'd have a clear field, the exclusive. The grift was that Meghan took "final cut" from Corden (yes, really - the fucking control freak). She kept delaying and delaying giving her approval. Sweeps was ending and finally Corden just said "Fuck it, we're running it right now." And that's what he did.

But Ope's furious with them.

So, they lied about the exclusive and then Meghan lied in the interview about being bullied. Oprah is going to crucify them.

Where did you hear that, r126?

The Palace has given them defacto permission to speak. The angry staffers are the perfect catspaws for slapping down Meghan and Harry for good.

The new Meghan clip has been up on twitter for over 5 hours and only has 2.6K likes. That's shockingly low engagement.

[quote] So, Buckingham Palace could null those NDAs right?

They certainly could. In fact they probably will, given that they've opened an HR investigation into all the allegations. The perfect excuse, actually, to void out the aforementioned NDAs. Funny how that all works out.

Kensington Palace r125.

I read it in one of the Brit tabloids, R128, but I don't remember which one.

Long live the Crown, R131.

The Crown always wins.

Oprah and those stupid glasses in that interview

This is the Mirror so we'll take it with a grain of salt, but apparently Oprah is pissed that H&M didn't tell her about the James Cordon interview (or at least it was her understanding that it would air after).

Do the Harkles ever NOT bite the hand that feeds them?

Wasn't "The Crown must always win" what old Queen Mary told young Queen Elizabeth in the first season of The Crown? That and poor "Uncle David" says "With this family, when you're in, you're never quite sure that you're in. But when you're out, there's no doubt at all. You're out."

I knew Markle's ultimate goal was an Oprah interview, how delicious if now she has burned her bridges with the big O.

Having encountered two goblins as bad as Markle in my career (and several not quite as bad) I am taking great pleasure in watching this tactical takedown.

[quote/]When Meghan gets driven off the road, is Elton doing the tribute concert?

"his writing is limited to songs about dead blondes"

[quote]My understanding this was filmed before the Palace announced that Harry and Meghan we're going to lose their charity patronages and military titles.

R121. You are correct. The interview with Oprah was taped and the Harkles carried on talking about how devoted they are to their patronages and service. Then a few days after the taping, the queen issued her statement stripping the Harkles of their patronages. Ha! Panic in Montecito! Then the word is, the interview had to be heavily edited since all the chatter about them working for their patronages no longer applied thanks to the decision by the queen: "Thanks but no thanks, kids. Your half-in/half-out scheme won't work, which I already told you last year. You don't get to pick the good stuff and ditch the stuff you don't want to do. Good luck and carry on."

Do you think Kate's been drinking bubbly and giggling to herself all day? I sure would be.

r141 it seems like everybody has had a Meghan Markle in their life at some point. A co-worker, a classmate, an in-law, etc. We've all known the type.

And everybody has had a demanding boss who treated them like shit. That's what's going to sink her with the public.

Given the abundant public evidence of the Ginger Megs train wreck, in taking on the Ginger Megs project, one has to wonder if Oprah was incredibly stupid, incredibly desperate, or both?

How long until H&M release a statement that the Oprah interview was edited in such a way to make it look like they were talking trash about the royal family?

Dan Wooton says that many in the Royal Establishment were aware of Meghan's bullying, but just wanted to cover it up

R147 whatever the outcome, the ratings will be huge. That's Oprah's only concern. She survived the Lohan rehab debacle, she'll survive this

If it had been just one member of staff she lost - okay, maybe even two, but NINE in two years? The lady has a problem and it wasn't the Firm's fault.

If the Harkles turn on Oprah, God help them. They'll have TWO Queens wanting to send them to the Tower.

[quote] I want to hear exactly what Meghan said to the staffers she screamed at.

"YOU NEVER ASKED ME IF I'M OKAY!!!"

[quote] the ratings will be huge

Given the latest revelations about Megs deplorable behavior (as if doubt remained), the interview will be absurd, laughable and cringeworthy.

Just out of idle curiosity, how are Andy and Fergie these days?

They were probably pretty pissed off when the Harkles stepped on Eugenie's joy AGAIN. I sometimes ponder how many little damaging Harkle tidbits were leaked by Uncle Andrew and Aunt Fergie in revenge? Not that I blame them one bit, I'm just wondering. They're both vindictive little shits, Andrew far more than Fergie-ferg. I can see them hitting below the belt. If so, I hope they keep it up.

"Do you have anything in puce?"

R154. Sarah is my favorite one of the entire bunch. I so enjoyed the days of Sarah and Diana, when royal life was fun.

R8 R11 Meghan is simply describing to the waiter how she wants a drink mixed. It's not a big deal. Harry is disinterested in her drink request. He's not defeated.

I'm surprised Meghan is going full on nuclear. I love it, but she should have teased out this royal intrigue over a span of years, keeping the royal connections, but faintly alluding to wrong doings. I've watched a few of the Queen's Zoom calls and they are heavily edited. With all due respect to HM, with Phillip in the hospital and at her age, I think William is the one in the drivers seat. Dissolve the NDA's on the assistants and let it rip. It's all documented in the emails that their gay, American press secretary recorded. Score one for the smart palace gay! If they really want to destroy Meghan, they will release something that has to do with the infamous Princess Charlotte dress fitting. Anything to do with the kids and Meghan is toast. Even the POC's will step back on that.

And remember this - the nannies aren't even included in the 9 staffers who left in under 18 months.

Normally I pvr 60 Minutes but this week I honestly don't car.

I find Oprah utterly intolerable at the best of times. She's just a big hefty marketing vehicle.

[quote] Just out of idle curiosity, how are Andy and Fergie these days?

R154 I’d say somewhere between lucky (to not already be in prison) and panicked (at potential future time spent in prison). Selling political favours for cash and rape of indentured sex slaves can have consequences (altho not typically for the corrupt BRF it seems).

Oprah, the Diamond & Silk for Meghan

R157 She had her face set to BITCH all day that day.

Wow. She almost looks evil there, r165. You can see in her face that she'd be a natural bully.

DL has been so correct about her from the beginning. If anything, we weren't quite correct about the depth of her meanness and lack of humanity. She's worse than even DL could have thought.

Harry and Meghan are both despicable people and notorious cheats r57. Nice try trying to project that onto others though. We'll wait for your receipts.

[quote]they will release something that has to do with the infamous Princess Charlotte dress fitting

Charlotte no doubt has a dossier on all the royals, with particular attention to Uncle Harr & Aunty Smegs

This is definitely William's doing - it's his man leading the charge, and he would never act without full consent of The Future King.

Some nameless "men in grey suits" are going to take the fall, if anyone does - it will be interesting to see who gets named. My guess it will be one of Charles' men. The BRF is performing a calculated strike, and any fallout will land on the indulgences of the older administration, i.e. The Queen and The Prince Of Wales' courts, who are sacrificial in the support of William's reign.

R26 She ain't black, and the only thing she showed the Windsors was what a REAL grifter looks like.

She's been fucking and fucking her way around for 25 years and gotten away with it. She bullied kids in her schools.

It's taking a White British Royal finally to tell the world the truth about Meghan. They're the only ones with enough power, balls, and money to do it.

Wait till those staffers sue Meghan and it all comes put in court.

Hey, sport, if they're so obnoxious, why is she clinging to the title they gave her like a drowning man to a log?

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Don't forget she wasn't invited to that wedding. She crashed it. She was already isolating Harry. Classic narc behavior.

It looks like Meghan won she is allowed to keep her title, she won her lawsuit and america will love and sympathize her more after the interview.

[QUOTE] The BRF will not tolerate an attack on the Queen or on William: they are too important.

'Won't tolerate'? There's nothing they can do to stop it. Meghan and Harry earn their own money now so the corrupt cunt Elizabeth can't bribe them into apologising. If she says they can't use their titles she will look like the pettiest bitch alive.

R164 OMG that photo of Meghan young in that collage under the first paragraph is nothing short of criminal.

It's a tribute to what money and plastic surgery can do. Shit, the bad teeth, bulbous nose, and the hair she hated.

She's a completely artificially created person.

Did Harry never see the photo?!

[QUOTE] Anything to do with the kids and Meghan is toast. Even the POC's will step back on that.

Nope, or there wouldn't be such massive black support for Michael Pedo Jackson. People of colour really don't care if Meghan made a spazzy little white girl cry, or her weak mother.

[QUOTE] Nobody sees a gold digging failed actress attacking a 94 year old lady ...

Why all this special pleading for her age? Meghan supporters see the Queen for what she is: the ultimate in white privilege. If Meghan has genuine complaints linked to racism, the Queen is finished as far as the global black community is concerned.

R173 How do you know she gets to keep her title?

My guess is that the Queen will be drafting those Letters Patent before the first commercial break.

This strike was just the beginning. By the way, it's her husband's title, not hers. And they're clearly done with Just Call Me Harry, too.

Meghan dropped the copyright arm of her lawsuit. She knew what would happen when Knauf testified. The judge cut her costs demand down by 40%. ANL will ignore the court's denial of permission to appeal and gleefully head back to court.

And Meghan will end up selling hair products on QVC.

Kate will become Princess if Wales.

The odd thing is, the interview was recorded when they thought they were keeping all the patronages etc; how did they really imagine this sort of stuff would go down? Even Meghan's short-term strategy looks dumb, unless it was always intended to blow the connection beyond repair, regardless of what Harry wanted.

Meghan and Harry attended the Mountbatten Music Festival at Royal Albert Hall, one of the events at which she was publicly booed. The concert is hosted by the Royal Marines in full dress dress uniform and women are requested not to wear red so as not to detract from the men. Meghan of course showed up dressed like a fire engine.

But that wasn't the most eyebrow raising thing from the evening. It was the photo below, taken as the two arrived.

Any prediction on what will happen to her after the interview?

Yes, R181, she will continue to thrive at her Montecito mansion, enjoying the 80s temps while Kate shivers in Norfolk. The documentaries she and Harry are in will start to be aired on Netflix.

R173 America doesn't give fuck all about Meghan.

And her days in court aren't over. I smell a lawsuit by the staffers she abused not far off, that may also include Buck House. Only BP will settle privately and announce changes to its workplace policy, further nailing in the public's mind that Meghan is guilty.

And eventually Meghan will have to do the same. The DM has already mentioned in print Melissa Tabouti AND brought up the Admiralty House hot tea story. Once those cats come out of the bag, no one will ever see her the same way again

They gonna bring this bitch down.

I wonder if she is a russian agent?

Oprah really is very talented if she can stretch a conversation with these two inane nitwits for over 2 hours!

Just putting this out there. Both couples acted like asses.

I'd imagine its more a matter of getting Meghan to shut up and say something that isn't word salad..

[quote]women are requested not to wear red so as not to detract from the men. Meghan of course showed up dressed like a fire engine.

Here's another woman who wore a red gown that evening.

Sounds like you guys are making stuff up.

I see at least two more women in red gowns that night, R180.

How much of this stuff do you guys make up?

Do you just like being exhausting and taking up time and attention? No one can talk about Meghan and Harry or BRF gossip unless they have a couple of hours to spare looking all your crazy stories up, to sort the fiction from facts.

[quote]My guess is that the Queen will be drafting those Letters Patent before the first commercial break.

Maybe that's what the *investigation is for; complaints by personnel are deemed legitimate, hashed out in the court of public opinion, maybe some even sue & receive a settlement; as a result, QEII pulls the title - so it doesn't appear that it was done out of spite, but rather a response to a personnel issue that cost the BRF bad publicity & $$

I feel I need to have takeout and a specialty cocktail for this shitshow on Sunday! Maybe I’ll make a spicy tequila based drink and call it “Burn it Down”.

[quote]The BRF is performing a calculated strike

You guys are always saying "oh they've done it now, the Queen is coming after them hard" but again, it doesn't make sense. This story shows that the Palace ignored Knauf's claim, either because it was b.s. or because they were covering for Meghan. If it was b.s. then the Palace looks bad for leaking it, if they were covering for Meghan the Palace looks bad for not supporting their staff.

All the press the royals are getting for their own ill-gotten jewels doesn't make them look good, either.

These attacks also would remind people of the fact that the Palace is happy to protect Andrew while going after Harry and Meghan.

No, I don't think the Palace is behind this at all, I don't think they would be this sloppy and act so rashly. This sounds purely like a press issue, hard feelings left over from Harry and Meghan calling them out, but happy to work with the U.S. media. It's also political, Oprah is one of the celebs constantly attacked by rightwingers who have beef over "the Hollywood elite" etc.

The firm is being called out by the mob on twitter, the power of sm will be the royal family’s downfall.

Guys! Are we having a viewing party on Sunday? This is the DL Super Bowl!!!!!

R32 is correct. As a woman, I can spot these broads a mile away. I have always said (and no one has ever disagreed with me on this): A female boss is either the best boss you've ever had or the worst. Male bosses are either just good or bad--neither extreme.

Women bosses like Meghan are insecure and tyrannical, particularly to other women. I've been in management my entire career and have had staff follow me from job to job because I'm a thoughtful boss who nurtures staffs' careers. Anyone who losses staff at the pace MM does is not only a tyrant, but also an idiot. The absolute worst thing for a manager is turnover--finding and training new staff is a total pain in the ass. I'm good to my staff because I'm a decent person, but also because I'm not stupid--keeping staff is much better than replacing them.

Don't watch! You're only giving them views r194

You have to admit; this drama has it all: class, race, sexism, the treatment of underlings in a very hierarchical world, anger & resentment in families, the extent to which the older/younger generations support one another, (potentially) backstabbing employees doing the dirty work of their bosses and of course an extra fat Oprah "speaking her truth" (I can't believe anyone actually still utters that phrase!)

lol so true r194.

R188 - They aren't making stuff up. The protocols ARE exactly as stated, and as Harry was Captain General of the Marines at the time, which means that he was representing the Queen at the event (that ovation is given every time, and it is meant for the Sovereign, not the person standing in for the Sovereign), it was particularly heinous on his part to allow his bitch of a limelight hungry wife to break those protocols so loudly.

That man hasn't a testosterone cell left in his body. She's eaten them for breakfast and spit out the pits.

R193 - Oh ffs, dream on. Two-thirds of Britons want the monarchy and loathe the Sussexes. They're just possibly the most hated people in Britain after Tony Blair and now Rishi Sunak.

The SM crowd are Americans and paid bots. The monarchy is only concerned with Britain, and in Britain, the polls and public opinion are against the Sussexes and with the BRF.

Monarchies don't fall because a bunch of paid bots outside the country spout bullshit.

The monarchy survived the Wars of the Roses, the Civil War, Cromwell, WWI, WWII, the loss of empire, the Abdication, the Wales divorce scandal, and Diana's death, and it will survive Meghan and Andrew.

It moves on, like a juggernaut, inexorably. Parliament will back the monarchy because of how useful the monarchy is to the government.

William, the Queen, and Kate are the most popular royals in Britain, in that order. Harry and Meghan are toast in Britain. And it is ONLY British opinion that counts where the monarchy is concerned.

Join the rest of us on Planet Earth.

Emily Andrews at the Mail is reporting that she witnessed Meghan "hissing" at her staff during an outing on the 2018 Fiji tour. This appears to be one of the main problems Meghan had with people: her way and manner of dealing with them, which was firmly rooted in her Hollywood experience and not calibrated for her new life in the BRF.

It's viewed as ok to yell, scream or "hiss" at underlings on film and tv sets. We've heard the stories and know that script; Hollywood has a different set of workspace values than most of corporate or business America (or the UK). It's patently not the way the UK royals deal with their staff, which sounds to me as if its modeled on old Edwardian notions of low-speak and understatement, ie. you never 'yell' at anyone or cause huge discomfort.

Meghan just wouldn't do the necessary re-calibrating of her toolset to 'fit in' to the new world she was living and working in. I can't call it ignorance, because I don't believe she's that stupid. It's a callousness and selfishness that seemed to lead to her downfall there. And Harry is also to blame, being as it was his home nest, that he had brought her into. He should have helped train and guide her instead of enabling her attitudes.

R189 - They aren't making it up. The protocols are real and as Harry was Captain General of the Marines at the time, which meant he was representing the Sovereign in that capacity (and that ovation, by the way, is also meant for the Sovereign when they entered, not the two of them, it's always given on that basis), it was particularly heinous that he let his limelight hungry bitch of a wife break them. All you have to do is look at his face. He's a beaten man.

Harry hasn't got a testosterone cell left in his body. Meghan has eaten them for breakfast and spit out the pits.

If other women broke protocol, that's on them. But the fact is, the protocols ARE there for real, and the Captain General of the Marines representing the Sovereign knew better and ignored them.

Small wonder they want Anne or William as the next one.

Do you really think Kate would have done that?

^* apologies for the second post - the first didn't appear for awhile so I thought it had gotten lost.

R202

All these famous Leo women act the same to their staff..

R137: This is what fucking dimwits they are--they needlessly enraged Oprah by allowing the Corden interview, which was so inane and uncomfortable that even I couldn't finish it. And I live for this stupid crap!

Harry was so awkward I had to turn it off after they stopped at the Fresh Prince house. There was nothing charming or fun about any of it. Just forced conversation and ham-handed attempts at whimsy.

It was bad enough that they jeopardized their Netflix deal with the Oprah side deal. But allowing the Corden crap before Oprah's scoop seems like pure self-destructions.

Of course, I'm delighted by it all! So, keep it coming! I love these idiots! Really helping get through the pandemic.

R190 - Ah, the penny's dropped.

This strike isn't just to damage Meghan's public image - it's to give the Queen enough ammo to take the titles and HRHs for real, pull up the drawbridge, drop the "much loved members of the family" bullshit, and make sure Mr and Mrs Mountbatten Windsor never get back in.

If the Palace has to take a few minor hits for coddling family members (which really means Harry, as those reports coming out for real make Harry look bad, and he's One Of Their Own, Meghan just got coverage because of him), and pays out some settlements to those staffers, and admits it should have done a better job (translation: not let the bitch get away with it because she was married to Harry), that won't matter in the end.

And Meghan, stupid Meghan, always seeking to Flame the Enemy and burning every bridge in sight, is falling right into their trap. By accusing them of lying she is 1) inviting a lawsuit, and 2) inviting the Queen to deprive of her of the last shreds of the identity that got her onto the world stage in the first place.

and Meghan hasn't remotely built up enough personal interest in her and Harry yet to make up for that loss. In and of themselves they're boring, tiring, absurd, and phony.

Just wait till all the rest of the shit the BRF held back out of deference to Harry seeps out, gathering around his and Meghan's feet like an oil leak from a tanker.

[quote]They're both vindictive little shits, Andrew far more than Fergie-ferg. I can see them hitting below the belt. If so, I hope they keep it up.

LOL.

[quote][the BRF are an awful sort, unworthy of an ounce of respect. All of them, child rapist Andrew, blood diamond / offshore accounts Liz, nazi Phil, political favour ferg, cheat will, and the rest who we can just say are all total misogynists and total snobs. I can’t stand people that snivel on behalf of damaging institutions, like you or the nightmares that shore up the churches.

I feel terrible because [italic]you[/italic] seem like such a nice person. Calm, fair, diplomatic, factual. And your composition is an example to us all.

[quote][My guess is that after the Oprah interview the Queen will rescind their titles entirely of Duke and Duchess of Sussex (which is entirely within her power); she cannot rescind Harry's title of prince, but Harry will have to style himself just Prince Harry (still with no HRH) and the best Meghan can hope for is to be styled as The Princess Henry. (They will both try to cover this embarrassment by going instead by "Harry Mountbatten-Windsor" and "Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor" to pretend they're jes' folks).

Disagree. First, the Royal Family has the upper hand here. The Sussexes are widely regarded as having bolted and then behave hypocritically. Meagain will break no new ground - the grey men in their grey suits have been a meme for more than twenty years, thanks to Diana and Fergie. Unless she attacks actual members of the Royal Family with credible, specific allegations of conduct unbecoming, she will be viewed as whining as usual.

The Royal Family never took away the Duke of Windsor's title or tried. They have the upper hand and they play the long game. No way will they weaken their position by acting in a way that is petty. Besides, they barely have to lift a finger. Harry and that wife of his are steadily doing the dirty work themselves.

[quote]There will be no more money for them from Charles nor from the rest of the family. They will not be invited to anything having to do with the rest of the BRF: not for Philip's 100th birthday, the Queen's platinum jubilee, the unveiling of Diana's statue at Kensington Palace, nor Philip's or the Queen's funerals. And Harry and Meghan will be popularly blamed for Philip's impending death.

I bet the tap will be cut off but I don't think the invitations will be cut off. Again, they eventually allowed Wallis to come to one official event and she stayed at Buckingham Palace during DoW's funeral. They can do anything they set their minds to, so I can't see creating chatter by excluding the Harkles. (We all know she hasn't got the balls to show up again now and would very likely be booed if she did.) Besides, I'd bet money inside the family, despite their anger at his disrespect to the Queen and DofE and his indiscretions, they tell themselves poor, damaged Harry, conned by that awful woman. Whether they believe it or not that's what they likely tell themselves, so they can bring him back when she moves on.)

[quote] I'm betting on a big spiral after Baby #2 is born, serious post-partum depression. I don't wish that on her--I wouldn't wish that on anyone--but it would not be surprising after the chaos of the last few years.

My money is 'Duchess of Sussex rushed to hospital after fall', by the end of the day Friday. The weekend news cycle, you understand.

[quote]Oh the poor Megstans, they must be tearing their hair out

Extensions, surely?

[quote] The story leaves Buckingham Palace looking bad. It looks like they were afraid to take measures in response to the bullying because they knew Meghan would scream the house down with accusations of discrimination, racism, you name it. Which of course, she would have done.

Not for the first time did a big institution make something go away. It is reasonable these people were packaged out and place elsewhere in a kind of settlement agreement. Nobody goes to work to the Royal Household for the money. They go for where it takes them thereafter. I am sure Murder Earring's victims were shown great sympathy but even they would have understood at the time how the process had to work. Which to the degree she understood what a bitch she is, Murder Earrings must have been counting on.

So does this make the Palace look bad? Really? And even if it does, who looks worst? If your theory is right, add some more unpleasant attributes to bully.

I think this is very simple. They all knew about her. They did their best to manage this with a minimum of fuss. When she went to Oprah, they decided enough is enough and let the truth emerge. The move has completely overshadowed her big reveal and will sit on her shoulder through the entire interview. They won.

I'm not sure when she says 'the firm' she is talking about the Royal Family members. A) she may not have understood the colloquialism. B) this is a promo. Promos are meant to tantalize. I'd bet when the stupid interview airs the line after it is "And when I say the firm I don't mean Harry's family, who welcomed me, I mean the men who serve..."

Non American here. There's no way Oprah will grill Meghan. They're friends! The whole thing will show M as a brave woman of colour, fighting the establishment, standing up for truth and love etc...

Is there much interest in this in the U.S.?

Can you imagine two hours of different ways to say 'tell us your truth'?

CBS just stretched this turkey out because they know people will wait to the bitter end for good stuff (which may or may not happen.)

This is gonna be like the Oscars. There will be a little bit of good stuff at the beginning (like the Best supporting awards) and then a whole, long pile of interminable bullshit. Maybe Archie runs through the shot briefly, like a Jack Palace doing pushups moment.) And then, the big finish, where the big stuff happens fast (if it does.)

Anyone who leverages their power to mistreat people who don't have power is a fucking asshole. Of course, everyone has a bad day and it would be a nightmare to have staff with you almost 24/7. There are bound to be tensions and outbursts. But if followed by a heartfelt apology and explanation that it was the result of stress, most people would understand.

I'm certain that MM isn't the only royal to abuse her power. Diana was a jerk to staff at times. Same with Andrew and Fergie. Weirdly, Princess Margaret managed to retain staff. Certainly shows lack of character to abuse people who can't fight back.

I'm not excusing or defending anyone but there's a difference between being a rude and difficult jerk and using your position to exploit or coerce or dominate. Neither is right, but they are not equal. We are all rightly entitled to a working environment where, in plain language, the drama doesn't make your job harder. But I'd say we're only recently coming to understand how we've allowed otherwise in workplaces - all workplaces - since forever.

[quote] The Royal Family never took away the Duke of Windsor's title or tried

Completely different set of circumstances. The Duke of Windsor kept his animosity toward and bickering with the Royal Family private. Yes, he whinged bitterly and constantly to his brother George VI, his niece QEII and various senior courtiers about lack of money, lack of respect for Wallis, being barred from returning to or visiting England (though he was allowed back for the funerals for his mum Queen Mary and his sister Princess Mary, the Princess Royal, Countess of Harewood). But he never ran to the media with tales of woe and mistreatment.

QEII was quite fond of her Uncle David, but out of deference to/respect for her mother, the Queen Mum, who loathed her brother- and sister-in-law, QEII maintained no contact. It wasn’t until news reached QEII that her Uncle David was dying that she visited him in Paris and made it known that she would accept Wallis’s presence during the visit, a Royal reproachement, if there ever was one.

It's somewhat of a generational thing, I suppose. I'm an elder who has had bitchy bosses, but I mostly shrugged off their antics. As long as the work itself and the pay was ok, I could compartmentalize and not take it personally. "Stiff upper lip" I guess you could call it. Not currently in fashion to say the least.

I can't wait for the Palace to barbecue these two.

Working with someone who is bitchy or annoying is one thing, but a screamer, verbal abuse via email, etc. is another thing. And yeah, I think "let it go in one ear & out the other" is always a good practice, but when someone makes your life impossible to do the work you were hired to do, that's another story. As a older person I feel much the same way as R220, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that the younger generation just won't put up with that shit.

[QUOTE] The move has completely overshadowed her big reveal and will sit on her shoulder through the entire interview.

The interview isn't live, you dumbass Klan Granny.

If Meghan attacks Palace staff in the interview now, it will almost be worse than if she attacked the BRF itself. She will look like the bully the press reports are saying she is.

She won't attack palace staff; she's going to very precisely attack William and Kate for being arrogant and spiteful. Harry will back her. There has been zero communication between the brothers since Harry left the UK in 2019.

This will make a great movie one day.

You're arguing tactics, R219, my point was about strategy. Even if you just count the modern House of Windsor they're still here after the rise of modern revolutionary sentiment at the turn of the last century, the death of deference and Diana, to count the big three threats. They don't respond emotionally so there will be punishments for Harry and that wife of his that give them something to work with. Yes, they pushed Edward out and kept him out, but that got dull fast. It was the same punishment year over year. People got used to it. Same with Sarah Ferguson. Exiled and then left to humiliate herself. Which is what they're doing with these two. Never complain, never explain. Look at the trouble that failure brought Charles, Diana, Andrew and these two snowflakes.

A formal inquiry into abuse by Meghan allows staff to speak up without bring bound by any past NDAs. My question is whether the staff who signed NDAs will be released from them, thereby allowing them to be publicly identified if necessary. Also these staff would be able to present their own experiences to the public and media outlets. This would eventually happen because you know Sussexes’ PR and mouthpieces would come out attacking staff in the media. This would give the named staff no choice but to protect their own good name and career prospects.

I for one am giddy at the idea of this episode being drawn out over the year. At some point the American media woukd start turning against her when staff start speaking out with details snd receipts. The Oprah interview is not the end, it’s just the beginning and Meghan may come out of it looking good because it’s her friend Oprah doing the interviewing. What else do we expect? Are we supposed to expect a friend to be fair interviewing another? It’s like Dump being interviewed by Sean Hannity on FOX. Duh.

R222 The bar for terrible boss behavior is so low these days, it might be debatable what’s within the bounds of acceptability. People are more sensitive to slights now. Yes, I am actually giving Meghan the benefit of the doubt, just a little. I need specifics! Hot tea or not tea?

If the staff start coming out of woodwork with stories and receipts then the Sussexes could be kissing their Netflix deal goodbye. Their Netflix deal is one which they’re producing programs on mental health and how to be kind and supportive to each other. So it’d be undermining the whole foundation/ premise for a couple of asshole abusers to make such programs. Unless they preface each program with warning advisory: you are about to watch a pair of abusive liars preach about kindness, be forewarned of any triggers that might occur to you if you’ve been a victim of abuse.

They’re no-talent nobodies who’ve traded on BRF titles and connections to score the Netflix deal to make positive programming. It’s not like they’re bad boy football superstars who’ve been caught doing bad boy things, where the advertising company could just take a breather and ride the storm out. The Sussexes are making programs on fucking KINDNESS for god’s sake! And they’re the biggest cunts who treat staff like shit.

This drama has given me life this week! Thank you meanie Meghan!

[quote]heir Netflix deal is one which they’re producing programs on mental health and how to be kind and supportive to each other.

Stay Tuned for the next Meghan & Harry produced Netfix Movie: The Dragon Wears Murder Earrings!

There is rumors circulating that that she will hint at Prince William’s affair? Wow!

There's bound to be all sorts of stuff put out by her Stans. They're desperate. It's over. She's over.

Sorry and when I say over she's not going away, she's just been relegated to laughingstock. She's part of that sad, clueless collection of the discredited who lack the self respect or self awareness to leave the spotlight. That's a lot to process for people who attached to her. I feel a bit sorry for her Stans because they are probably largely marginalized people who thought they finally had someone from their side in place. But she's let them down so badly and that's hard to accept. On the other hand, they're fucking obnoxious. So are we, for the most part, but at least it's not delusional.

I don't think she's over. If these incidents did happen, she could claim she had some bad days, because of the stress, the media, etc. There were similar stories about Ellen, and she was able to recover.

Has Ellen really recovered? Focus group of one, but I neither loathe her nor like her. I'll always remember she's a crazy bitch to staff. That's... not where most image dependent people want to be.

Fortunately for Meagain, she's a great thinker, humanitarian and filmmaker, too.

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Cunty Ellen was an established celebrity in her own right, unlike nobody Meghan.

So DL is full of abusive racists, but Twitter is OK.

Interesting times.

She was so abusive that some staff members claim they are still suffering PTSD. That kind of treatment goes beyond a few 'bad days.'

If she so much as hints at an alleged extramarital affair perpetrated by William, it will blow up in her face. She would have no reason to hint at such a thing except out of pure maliciousness. It's one thing for a betrayed wife (like Diana) to talk about a husband's affairs. It's quite another for a bitchy sister-in-law to do it, especially when there is absolutely no proof of an affair other than gossip in certain press outlets, outlets tied right back to Meghan.

I never quite knew what Klan Grannies were until I read this thread.

Thanks, guys!

Klan Grannies are people with a different opinion than yours, R243. Fool yourself, if you like.

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Amusing how none of Meghan's friends "quoted" in the article actually allow their names to be used.

Nobody with any sense would go out on a limb for Meghan. She's proven over and over and over again that as soon as she feels people have served their purpose, she drops them cold.

Scobie is such an idiot. He gains nothing by attaching himself to these two. In a few years, no one will be interested in them. Being on their side offers him nothing and he will have burnt his bridges with the actual royal family.

Scobie is a he?

Spot the differences.

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Clearly the best way to have privacy is to give multiple television interviews and release press statements. JFC 🙄

R243, I wonder how many Meghan haters are actual gay men on this site.

[quote] Meghan and Harry earn their own money now

HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!

*wipes tear away*

Oh, that's a jolly one!

[quote] Emily Andrews at the Mail is reporting that she witnessed Meghan "hissing" at her staff during an outing on the 2018 Fiji tour.

Meghan is a Datalounger!

Now we know who the Klan Grannies Troll is!

They were idiots to ever do the interview, but I believe them when they say it's out of their hands. Public interest in this debacle is peaking right now--CBS would be foolish not to cash in on the potential ratings bonanza.

Meghan and Harry better be earning their own money--The Bank of Charles has got to be officially closed after all of this.

Unlike the idiot sugars, DL doesn't do blind devotion to celebrities.

[quote]I think this is very simple. They all knew about her. They did their best to manage this with a minimum of fuss. When she went to Oprah, they decided enough is enough and let the truth emerge. The move has completely overshadowed her big reveal and will sit on her shoulder through the entire interview. They won.

I agree. These people are highly skilled professionals with years of experience. They're not going to let a vindictive little bitch drag them down unfairly, thereby sullying their professional reputations and putting their careers in jeopardy. Oprah was the last straw, they have careers and reputations to protect.

The Palace also seems to have stopped protecting Harry. That's why they treated the Sussexes with kid gloves all along--they wanted to hang onto their jolly ginger prince. They must realize now that it's utterly impossible: The jolly blokey version of Harry is long gone (assuming he ever existed).

Even if they brought Harry back, it seems unlikely the British public would ever again accept him as a working royal. Even if they did, he doesn't seem mentally able to handle the work. There's no point protecting him or his wife anymore, especially when the Sussexes won't stop attacking the institution which gave them everything.

[quote] It's somewhat of a generational thing, I suppose. I'm an elder who has had bitchy bosses, but I mostly shrugged off their antics. As long as the work itself and the pay was ok, I could compartmentalize and not take it personally.

I would bet you line in LA or NY, and you work in a high-pressure industry like finance or entertainment or fashion, where this is the norm.

Most Americans won't tolerate working under those circumstances. Courtiers in London absolutely will not.

R253 The Meghan obsessives are middle-aged lunatic women who post on LSA and see everything through the prism of race. The tiara and titles 'experts' are ElderGays.

To me Omid Scobie looks like Rachel Maddow's plain sister. In Ellen's clothes. I did not not know he was a he.

Meghan ain’t getting a David Rose named after her, that’s for certain

So what's the goal for M? Get the industry to feel sorry for you and agree to give you jobs? Is this the Oprah version of "you know she does voiceovers too?"

R250 Her mouth is at the Olsen's twins territory now.

She's never received an Ivy Park collection box from Beyonce. That must burn her up.

r248 I think despite what he says publicly this is a big part of their rage especially Harry. The knowledge that irrelevance is getting nearer by the day and is inevitable. Deep down they know this despite fighting again it.

Remember the leaked telephone conversation last year when they thought they were talking too environmentalist Greta were Harry said oh we are separate from the rest of the royal family. That to me reveals both hypocrisy and a desire to be superstar celebrities but an aversion to the reality that they are only anything because of the royal connection or being royal adjacent.. All they seem to have now is whining, victimhood and playing the race card when encountering criticism.

r265 They are a spent force comparable with say a toxic substance being used up depleted uranium or some other highly reactive toxic dangerous substance.

Deep down in the recesses of their mind I reckon they know they are done or on their way to being. A highly time limited phenomenon when taken as a stand alone non royal which is what they effectively want to be.

If they really were successful producers, they would be busy producing instead of going on this victim tour.

R253 I don’t think most of us hate them. We’re delighted—tickled even—by the drama they bring and always with the worst possible timing. I, for one, love these nitwits to pieces and never want them silenced!

I don't hate Meghan and Harry; I just think they are idiots and I enjoy analyzing their drama and utter cluelessness. They are cocktail party conversation at this point.

A couple of things:

1) This interview will land like a lead balloon in the UK. Meghan and Harry are, if not despised, actively disliked. This is because we have a longer relationships with these two people and most people have long pegged Meghan as being opportunistic, fake, and playing the victim. While some of the accusations may put kinks in the Royal Family's armour, the monarchy in the UK is not going anywhere (at least not while the Queen is alive).

2) In America (where most of the pro-Meghan movement is based), the interview will be better received. Meghan will be seen as a victim and a strong woman of colour standing against the establishment. The reality is that most people who support Meghan are doing so solely because of her gender and skin colour. Her whole biography is one of ditching everyone in her life and then playing the victim. In all honesty, if Harry had been accused of bullying staff he would be destroyed.

3) Meghan only cares about the American audience. She doesn't give two fucks about the UK because her money will be coming from America.

4) Harry will "willingly" relinquish his title and position in the line of succession. For several weeks now, there have been rumours that some members of the royal family with whom Harry still has some communication are trying to gently pressure him into willing give up his Sussex title and HRH status. I think at some point the Palace will threaten to release some serious dirt on Meghan (e.g. she was married twice before Harry not once as she claims apparently the UK press has been sitting on this since 2017) and Harry will surrender his titles.

5) Once Harry does so, Meghan is outta there.

R224 - Correct as far as it goes, but by accusing the BRF of spreading falsehoods about her, she is also tacitly implying that the staffers are lying and Knauf is lying.

So Meghan is trying to kill two birds with one stone. I don't think it will fool anyone, much. It is likely Knauf and the staffers have lawyered up already. In fact, we KNOW Knauf, Jones, Cohen, and Latham HAVE lawyered up - they are the Palace Four who suddenly emerged onstage at the onset of the Summary Judgement hearing in January.

Whether Pickerill, Tabouti, or the woman at Admiralty House in Australia will be joining the pack is unknown, but it would be delicious if they did.

Meanwhile, whilst Meghan bleats about compassion, two women who offered criticism of Meghan's handling of her grivances on ITV's Royal IG page received death threats from Meghan's "fans". One was told she would stabbed from behind and then spat on.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

R238 - Kate Robertson was approached behind the scenes by none other than Omid Scobie - she was, shall we say, persuaded to take down her post and offer an apology. Her charity, I believe, is one of Meghan's. The woman who was threatened with being stabbed from behind is not a known person. I believe she complained to ITV who removed the post.

Some of this gossip isn't so delicious. Some of it is downright depressing.

The BRF may offer Harry a substantial allowance to give up the titles, too: a yearly income based on his ability to live quietly and not cause trouble.

Can he surrender the title on Archie's behalf? It was my understanding that even if Harry gives up Duke of Sussex, Archie would be entitled to it once he comes of age.

R277 - Archie can petition to be reinstated at age 18. However, if Charles does the sensible thing and steps aside for William (this is not an abdication by the way - Charles could ask to remain Prince of Wales for the rest of his life, remain as an important working royal, but ask that William be made Heir Apparent so that the public looks forward to younger, fresher blood in the next Sovereign and family), Archi and his sister would gain nothing by asking to be reinstated. The only benefit to them would have been if Charles were on the throne, for then the kids could claim the HRH their mother wants so badly for them.

It's another reason Charles needs to step aside. All his Mum needs to do is submit his request for a reordering of the succession as described above to Parliament, which will sign it in a heartbeat.

Charles owes his mother, the monarchy, and his other son and grandchildren; he brought Harry up; he indulged him and allowed him to be slide through obstacles that would have stopped any other child with Harry's limitations; he refused to tell Harry to find another bride, as Charles especially would have recognised in Meghan the same histrionic, attention-seeking, voraciously needy traits that Charles found in Diana - but after the wedding.

Charles has more responsibility for this mess than the Queen, but it is the Queen who has to sort it for Charles. Has anyone heard a word from Clarence House or Anmer Hall?

Not.

Deafening silence.

The queen is taking this on to keep Charles and William out of it.

But Charles still needs to shoulder some of the price. He should be out. Whether he's got the selflessness and spine to do it - well, I wouldn't put money on it.

R276 - Will never fly. As long as Harry is attached to Meghan, living quietly is not an option. They could promise him a substantial annual allowance should a divorce occur - but absent a divorce, Harry has made his bed in the room marked Eternal Drama, and he has to sleep in it.

Rid yourself of any fantasy of convoluted dance moves to keep Charles as Prince of Wales and let William leapfrog to the throne. The whole principal of hereditary monarchy is just that. The minute you turn into Britain's Got Royalty you may as turn off the lights.

The silly supposition in R278 is never going to happen.

[quote]Harry will "willingly" relinquish his title and position in the line of succession. For several weeks now, there have been rumours that some members of the royal family with whom Harry still has some communication are trying to gently pressure him into willing give up his Sussex title and HRH status.

Where are these rumours from?

It sounds so out there it could be plausible but I'd bet the plan is for him to raise it with her and her reaction is enough to clue even someone as dumb as Harry into what she's really about.

[quote]All his Mum needs to do is submit his request for a reordering of the succession as described above to Parliament, which will sign it in a heartbeat.

What bullshit. It would require an Act of Parliament... an amendment to the Succession to the Crown Act. Parliament doesn't sign. It votes. And it votes after debate and debate about the Crown is the last thing anybody wants, except probably Jeremy Corbyn.

The bullying accusations were discussed on The View today. All of the anchors were on Team Meghan because they were suspicious about the timing of the accusations...reported just before the Oprah interview.

r273 I wonder which small number of members of the royal family Harry is in contact with and to whom you are referring? I'm guessing one of his royal cousins via Princess Anne or maybe someone connected to the Duchess of Kent as Diana was close to her?

Well, we always thought she'd have the best chance of carrying the yoga pants voters.

^^^

And it also would need the approval of the governments of each of the sixteen other countries of which the Queen is Head of State (e.g. Canada, Australia, New Zealand).

R278 has no fucking idea.

He was supposed to have been close to Huge, but at some point it is hard to imagine that relationship didn't strain a bit. Maybe Beatrice? I think he's quite close with Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips. I think the Zara and Peter ties are quite strong from what I've read.

There's no real point to asking Harry to give up the title. They've already put the HRH--the really important bit--on ice. The Sussexes can't be HRHs in America, so as long as they stay there, it's like not having it at all. Duke of Sussex isn't like Duke of York, with a storied history. Who cares if Harry runs it into the ground? It doesn't have much more history attached to it than Duke of Windsor, another title they used once and discarded.

As for the succession thing, again, what's the point? Harry will never inherit the throne. He can't be a Counsellor of State while living in America. Why go to all the trouble to declare that Harry can never be King when everybody already knows that?

Harry might want to give up the title at some point to up his woke credentials, but that would be entirely his own idea. The Palace stands to gain nothing from encouraging him to do it.

R277 & R278 The Duke of Sussex is a royal dukedom which means it's not an inheritable one. Only the monarch can grant its usage to a member of the Royal Family. If Harry gives up his title or if he holds it until he dies, it will automatically return to the Crown. Archie has no claims to it.

Of course, Duke of Sussex is an inheritable title. That's why technically, Archie is entitled to use his father's subsidiary title, Earl of Dumbarton.

Duke of Kent and Duke of Gloucester are also royal dukedoms. Once the current HRH office holders die, the titles will become ordinary dukedoms, as their sons are not and never have been sons/grandsons of a reigning monarch. The same would happen when Archie inherited (if he never becomes HRH) or, at the latest, when Archie's son inherits.

R261 ha, you nailed me - NY then LA, working in the art world.

Actually, royal dukedoms become regular dukedoms upon succession. Royal dukedoms are held by princes. Oh, what R290 said.

People only put up with that treatment in high-pressure industries because the perks are so good once you make it. Not worth it for an ordinary office job.

So there is a report going around that ITV paid CBS £1.8 Million to air the interview in the UK. However, ITV's Chris Ship (their royal reporter) is saying that the figure is way off (they paid much less) and that in fact there was no bidding war (BBC was never interested).

R283 timing of accusations that go way back from time of engagement to before they left. Do we expect the View’s dunce hosts to differentiate between the two?

Under the Peerage Act 1963 Harry could disclaim the title (which would have the effect of disclaiming all courtesies for his wife, too, so we all know that's never gonna happen.) Archie would still remain heir to the title. But I'm not sure if the Act contemplated royal dukedoms. It is possible he could renounce the titles for himself and his heirs and successors but, given he is affected by the Succession to the Throne Act, Parliament would have to enact (and debate) separate legislation for Harry, I think.

When Edward VIII abdicated there followed immediately the His Majesty's Declaration of Abdication Act, because there was no mechanism for a king to abdicate. So essentially Edward signed his instrument of abdication (indicating his intent and renouncing all hereditary rights for his heirs and successors, which in law he could do) and then Parliament made it law by creating a law to which Edward VIII had to give Royal Assent before the law could take effect.

The most complicated act of agreeing with yourself in history.

Archie would inherate his father's title upon death but if Harry gives it up, no Archie wouldn't get it.

Yes, Archie would. See R296.

Archie would be raised never to want to claim the title. He'll be a California kid living a California lifestyle, so having a British title would seem very odd and useless to him.

Boris Johnson just signalled his support for Simon Case (one of Megs former aides who has accused her of bullying). The British Establishment is gathering around the Royals in support. I hope H&M are checking their brakes every day.

There's no need to assassinate Meghan and Harry. They're doing a bang-up job of destroying their own lives without any help.

I am not a royalist at all but one of the reasons the monarchy has survived is because it always has its eyes fixed on the long-term. I'm actually surprised by the timing of the Times piece because it does look desperate ... but in fairness to the palace I suppose it was former employees who leaked the stories not current ones....but I think they should have just kept their mouth closed and not said anything rather than issue that statement that they are investigating. But seriously, if they survived Diana, they will survive this. People forget now that just before Diana died, the public mood around her was changing. She was seen increasingly through a negative light and reckless. Interestingly, her relationship with Charles was improving by this point to and the war of the Wales' was starting to fade into the past. I actually think that had Diana lived, things would have eventually settled and she would have eventually been back in the fold to a degree.

That being said, H&M's who brand rests upon them being in the spotlight and they are doing this by creating constant drama. That drama will do better in American than in the UK. The Brits seem to grow tried of drama quicker. I also think at some point the marriage is going to fail and Harry is come crawling back to the family particularly because he'll want custody of his kids.

The Tatler has the pictures, names and current info on the staff who were working at Kensington Palace at the time of the bullying.

Melissa Toubati is beautiful. Could that be the reason Sparkle made her life miserable?

R303 Meghan does seem to have a history of treating women like shit.

We have another trump situation here. Her black fans do not realize that she would not give them the time of day if they didn't serve a purpose for her.

I never thought of it that way, R305, but you are exactly right... that's the problem with her Stans... they can't see the truth and they make things up to sustain the fantasy. LOL - Meghan Markle is the biracial Trump.

And just like Trump, Meghan doesn't want the type of fans she has now. She wants the Hollywood Elite A-List. People that can benefit her fame and enhance her bank account.

I think is mostly a cultural thing, to be a bully and rude are one of the main characteristics people around the world notice about Americans in general. Seems like Hollywood stars asking not to be looked in the eyes by normal people is not strange. Can you imagine someone from the royal family asking for something like that? Of course for the American public this is a minor issue.

Someone mention she is a Leo, I don't buy much about astrology, but my mother is also a Leo and tend to treat people poorly, she just lack of the empathy needed to see others as equals. Boss around people is her mayor joy now that she is old and not longer attractive to get away with everything.

Read this, r308.

She sounds exactly like this. Leo born in a rooster year.

R303 Tatler’s wrong, that’s not Melissa Touabti in the photo. That’s Simon Cowell’s child’s mother, Lauren Silverman. Touabti is attractive but not plasticated up.

I wonder if Meghan will expose William as a diaper fetishist.

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Doesn't matter. The Palace has muddied the waters and now there is a legitimized alternate version of the story, one that could very well be the truth. Meghan's interview won't have the same impact after all of this, and remember that the Palace is just getting started. Once the individual staffers start giving press interviews, her image is going to take a real beating.

What exactly does she allege the BRF did to her? I'm still not sure.

I’m with r314, hat the fuck did they do to her?

And if someone says they discriminated against her because she’s black, I’m gonna cut a bitch.

I’m darker skinned then her and features arent “black” at all.

R283 The panel was being disingenuous. The timing was no mystery. The staffers and the Palace saw from the leaks that the woman who behaved so atrociously to them was about to set herself up as a martyr. By the time the interview was over and beamed across the world, the staffers would spitting in the wind. No counter narrative would have gotten through. It was now or never.

The staffers said as much. So the panel was full of shit.

Did the panel happen to mention the attempt at suspicious timing the Sussexes tried to pull on Oprah and the public, but thanks to another leak, couldn't pull off?

R313 - Exactly. And if it goes to court and Tabouti and the Australia tour witnesses start coming in, watch out.

So, she was mean to her employees? Is that wrong?

She got a million dollars worth of designer clothing for the year she was there and didn't really have to do anything, you think she'd be happy. All I remember of her 'reign' was that baby shower where she hired the paps, clutched her belly and made Serena Williams pay for it. Speaking of Serena - did she ditch Meghan?

Serena lost the matches Meghan attended, and rumor has it Serena asked her not to come to another. Athletes are superstitious.

On a much smaller scale, there is an absolutely toxic woman in my social circle. She goes out of her way to make rude and aggressive remarks, even making my friend’s six-year-old daughter cry with some insensitive remark . (Sound familiar?)

Yet she goes around slinging this “positivity, everything is AMAZING and INCREDIBLE” pablum every chance she gets. It’s shocking the extent to which people fall for it.

Luckily I don’t deal with her much, but it’s interesting to watch from afar. I’m Gen X and we can smell these basic bitches from a mile away. Yet millennials seem to lap that shit up.

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Another thing in common with Trump: Meghan accuses people of doing the things she herself is doing. (Bullying, lying, leaking, etc.)

She really wants Harry to have no family but her, doesn't she?

She'd better provide receipts that it was Kate, Camilla and Charles or she'll look like she's a bullying liar, striking again while pretending to be the victim.

By the way, she was briefing journalists all the way through and then lied about it. That's a matter of record per the court case. She briefed enough for them to write an entire book on her version of events.

But she's the victim, right?

My favorite quote from the article at R322:

[quote]A royal insider scotched hopes they could one day return for royal events such as Trooping the Colour, saying: 'I can't ever see those two back on the balcony.'

Camilla and Kate have never demonstrated that type of behavior. Smegs, on the other hand...

Get ready, folks. Rumor has it she will claim someone called her the n word.

Who's had him?

[quote] It's another reason Charles needs to step aside. All his Mum needs to do is submit his request for a reordering of the succession as described above to Parliament, which will sign it in a heartbeat.

She plain-out could not ever do that. She has no authority to remove him from the line of succession. Even if she asked for them to retroactively allow first-born children to succeed before their younger siblings do, irrespective of gender (which is what they did for William's children and all royal children both after 2013), Charles was still born before Anne.

There is no way Charles can be removed from succeeding to the throne after the queen short of abolishing the monarchy altogether. HE might choose not to take the throne when his mother dies, but that would be his own decision--not his mother's. Neither she nor even Parliament could pass the throne directly to William or anyone else, bypassing Charles, than they could stop the sun rising in the East. if a country has a hereditary monarchy, then the current monarch's oldest child gets the throne after the current monarch.

[quote] Get ready, folks. Rumor has it she will claim someone called her the n word.

Why is everyone looking at me all of a sudden?

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R327, it's hard to believe that wouldn't have leaked already, since transcripts of the interview, if not the actual tape, must be circulating. My money is on her claiming that she considered suicide, in Diana-like fashion, or that the "stress" had something to do with her miscarriage (which occurred some time after she had left the RF).

[quote] Neither she nor even Parliament

R329: Parliament can do anything and everything. And let's not forget that Parliament has three parts to it: the Queen, the House of Commons and the House of Lords.

"It is often said that it would be unconstitutional for the United Kingdom Parliament to do certain things, meaning that the moral, political and other reasons against doing them are so strong that most people would regard it as highly improper if Parliament did these things. But that does not mean that it is beyond the power of Parliament to do such things. If Parliament chose to do any of them the Courts could not hold the Act of Parliament invalid." Lord Reid in Madzimbamuto v Lardner-Burke [1968]

Why is no one calling her out on claiming to be a strong feminist woman while moaning that no one protected her? To hear her speak, she's made of glass that'll break at the slightest hint of anyone calling her out on her bullshit.

BP did protect her. They suppressed the employees' complaints. They got Marby to rule in her favor.

^Warby

It's all starting to implode because the stories are coming out.

R329 - Did you learn to read in schools?

I didn't suggest she had the power to change the succession. I have pointed that same fact out on dozens of these threads.

But if Charles WANTS to step aside, he can ask his Mum TO SUBMIT A BILL TO PARLIAMENT REQUESTING THE CHANGE WHICH OF COURSE PARLIAMENT . . .

Below is the sentence as written.

"It's another reason Charles needs to step aside. All his Mum needs to do is submit his request for a reordering of the succession as described above to Parliament, which will sign it in a heartbeat."

Do you see where it says TO PARLIAMENT? The only entity that has the power to change the order of succession.

Why do you think I put it there? Because it's fun to type out Parliament?

"It's another reason Charles needs to step aside. All his Mum needs to do is submit his request for a reordering of the succession as described above to Parliament, which will sign it in a heartbeat."

I doubt the BRF had any influence in the ruling. Members of the BRF have lost in courts in the past.

I also don’t believe Catherine, Camilla, or Charles leaked any information about MM. I. think it was courtiers.

I don’t believe Catherine or Camilla are the leaking types. Charles is, but there was nothing for him to gain.

Warby was recently promoted.

Meghan is the poster illustration of how to use the Big Lie.

Having spent three years doing her damndest to undermine Kate and William, to leak nasty stories about them through Lainey and her pals Chris Ship and Omid Scobie, including in that book, she now asserts that it was they all the time leaking nasty stories about her.

Of course, she doesn't give any examples. I mean, what could she come up with? That she's a bitch to work for? Oooops! That she took freebie designer clothes against the advice of staff? Oooops! That she wore those earrings even when staff warned her it might be inadvisable to do so at just that time? Oooops! That she announced her pregnancy at Eugenie's wedding without a thought for the discourtesy to the bride? Oooops! That she and Harry were rude to the Queen's closest confidante, her dresser (a working-class Scouse, yet) because they expected her to drop everything and go fetch them the tiara when they arrived without an appointment to do so? Oooops! That the Queen had to take her aside for the way she treated the wedding chef? Oooops! And the fuss she made about which tiara she wanted? Oooooops!

Tell us, Meghan, which of these stories was a nasty lie.

[quote]But if Charles WANTS to step aside, he can ask his Mum TO SUBMIT A BILL TO PARLIAMENT REQUESTING THE CHANGE WHICH OF COURSE PARLIAMENT . . .

The Crown does not submit bills, genius. The Crown gives royal assent to bills drafted by Parliament and passed by a majority in the House. These are not signed. They are voted upon. The Crown does not tell the government what bills to draft. That is exclusively the jurisdiction of the elected.

That's the joke of it, R341... to quote Rhett Butler: you're like a thief who isn't sorry he stole, but he's terribly, terrible sorry he's going to jail.

Her bitch isn't about truth, it's about getting ratted out.

R342 Some bills are drafted neither by parliament nor by the government.

I absolutely think it was Kate, Camilla and Charles. Who else would do something like that? The next thing you know it will be all over the papers that George is gay and you just know [italic]she[/italic] did it. Who else?

Well who drafts them drafts them, the bill fairy?

[quote] That she took freebie designer clothes against the advice of staff?

Ask Prince Charles if they were free. He had to pay for them because Meghan insisted on keeping them. It was a great way for designers to sell their stuff: ship it to Meghan by the vanload; if she likes it, which she probably will if the designer is well-known, then Charles will pay for it. Kerching.

[quote]Some bills are drafted neither by parliament nor by the government.

That will be news to the British government. And parliamentary bi-cameral legislatures around the world.

[quote] Well who drafts them drafts them, the bill fairy?

The OPC drafts most government bills. Parliament does not draft.

Private members' bills are another matter entirely.

R329 - Jesus. Parliament nearly passed over Prince Albert during the Abdicatin crisis, which they had a perfect right to do, and nearly passed it to one of his younger brothers.

There is NO reason that Charles could not inform the Queen that he wished to step aside for his son, which would require a change in the order of succession that Parliament has a perfect right to do. Monarchs across Europe have stepped down in favour of their heirs: Spain, The Netherlands, and Belgium, to name three.

Especially if Charles hasn't acceded to the throne yet. He can cite increasing age and the long-term stability of a younger reign being in the best interests of the nation. The Queen agrees with his requests, asks Parliament to draft, vote on, and sign a bill, and Presto! William is named Heir Apparent, Charles stays Prince of Wales for the rest of his life.

The monarchy would no more end than The Netherlands' did when Beatrix "retired", let her son take over, and demoted herself to Princess.

Charles taking the throne at 80 is bad for him and bad for the monarchy. If he dies at 100, Britain will have had half a century of Old Monarchs. It's becoming increasingly evident that William is the better choice sooner rather than later precisely because that half a century of old monarchs is what is likely to end the monarchy.

There isn't a reason in the world that if Charles and the Queen and Parliament are on the same page, it can't happen. As long as Parliament is on board, Charles can step aside in favour of his son BEFORE Charles even accedes to the throne, i.e., before his mother dies.

He won't not because the monarchy will end, but because he hasn't got enough selflessness and care for the institution to do it. He wants his birthright.

It will probably cost his descendants the monarchy. You can make any and all arguments re whether that's a good or a bad thing. What you can't make an argument for is Charles taking the throne at 80 being good for the monarchy itself.

I see Oprah's girlfriend Gayle said it was suspicious timing they brought up the bullying before the Oprah interview. And a black woman from The Real said it was racially motivated. Oh brother.

And, Bill, who the fuck do you reckon tells them to draft? Parliament, through committee and ministries and Cabinet. And who do you suppose the government is? The party with the most seats. Who control the committees and ministries and Cabinet.

If you're going to hide behind who drafts the actual documentation you may as well give up now, because you're embarrassing yourself.

R350 Parliament does not draft.

Meghan never had a black dick in her - stopping playing the race card

R352 You are naive if you think parliament controls the government. The government has the Cabinet Office draft its bills which are introduced in parliament in accordance with government policy.

Then there are the local and personal bills, the latter also called private bills, not to be confused with private members bills. These are not as a rule drafted by the OPC/Cabinet Office.

On the issue of Charles stepping aside: he could only do that if the government advised it.

So, at this point, (and this is before the Bullying Bomb dropped), leaks from the show include Meghan blaming Charles, Kate, Camilla, and the courtiers for leaking nasty stories about her.

This should tell you that the Sussexes are no longer taking money from Charles; if she still needed his bankrolling, Meghan wouldn't have included Charles.

Charles was, in fact, the only real ally she had left in the BRF. That she is now throwing him under the bus speaks volumes about Meghan's delusional state of mind. Kate doesn't talk to the media, and Camilla would never make an end run around Charles like that.

You really have to wonder what planet Meghan is living on that she will, on international television, accuse the next King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, his wife, his daughter in law who is the wife of the country's future King and a future Queen Consort, of spreading nasty stories about her.

The article goes on to say that at least ten employees and staffers have gathered together to help support the campaign of uncovering Meghan's horrible personality.

At some point, do you think watchers will prick up the ears and say, "Wait a minute! All of them? The Prince of Wales? His Wife? His other daughter in law? William? All the courtiers? The staffers?

I mean, does Meghan not realise that she's exhibiting the signs of megalomania and persecution complex?

And they thought I was bonkers.

R338 and what of the requirement to get the assent of all the other countries of which HM is head of state, oh great and learned constitutional expert?

You’re a twit.

From the Maul: 'Meghan arrived having no idea of monarchy and how it rests on public approval and carefully calibrated deference,' says a figure close to Charles. When she met Harry his popularity was soaring. She had no idea she would be playing second fiddle or even third fiddle after Charles and William and Kate. She thought she was marrying the equivalent of Robbie Williams in his Glastonbury days after his split from Take That. But the royals aren't Hollywood and celebrity, respect has to be earned and she didn't like that.'

Here is another extremely good reason for Charles to request that William be named Heir Apparent:

If Charles dies soon after taking the throne, and William accedes, and something happens to William before George comes of age, guess who comes in as Regent?

That's right: Harry, the family snake in the grass, with his mate, Naghini.

But if Charles steps aside, the Queen dies, William takes the throne, and William unexpectedly dies before George is of age, Charles can step in and act as Regent in Harry's place (because Charles still comes before Harry)

If you think they aren't huddled around conference tables working this shit out, think again.

It is now imperative that Harry and Meghan be completely cut off from any possible contact with, entry to, or power within the family. It is also imperative that the monarchy be seen to move on from a disastrous series of scandals and own goals stemming from Charles' disastrous marriage and disastrous parenting of Harry, and the family's stupidity in letting a sociopath in and then trying to appease her insatiable appetite for control, vengeance, vindication, and primacy.

The only way to do that is my scenario.

And I would bet a month's pension that's what the Duke of Edinburgh told Charles at that bedside visit.

Charles stepping aside voluntarily assures a benign Regent in place in the event something happens to William before George comes of age.

Oh, God, stop....

What’s the age for “coming of age”?

[quote] That's right: Harry, the family snake in the grass, with his mate, Naghini.

I love this

—Charlotte, dialling the phone with a sceptre

R345- love you! Thanks for the laugh.

Victim culture is at its peak right now in the US. Meghan should do well here in the next couple of years unless some bombshells come out of her bullying inquiry.

[quote]I think despite what he says publicly this is a big part of their rage especially Harry. The knowledge that irrelevance is getting nearer by the day and is inevitable. Deep down they know this despite fighting again it.

They're both hitting middle age, they're not the hot young cool kids. Once William's children reach young adulthood, all the focus will be on them and Harry and Meghan (if she's still married to him) will be put on the back burner with not much interest in them. The same thing happened to Princess Margaret when QEII's children reached young adulthood. Nobody gave a shit about Margaret anymore.

[quote]Archie would be raised never to want to claim the title. He'll be a California kid living a California lifestyle, so having a British title would seem very odd and useless to him.

What if he turns out to be a useless Hollywood brat like Brody Jenner or Patrick Shriver? That would be so embarrassing.

R368, I think you mean, no one asked Margaret if one was OK.

Gee, R369, what do you the odds are on that?

Can't we all PLEASE get along?

I made cookies!

Archie, please quit biting the dog.

This family feud just got real. Both sides are badass.

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Here's the thing, the monarchy always plays along term game which is why the institution still exists when all but a few monarchies in Europe have been abolished. Besides the bullying investigation, they are not going to utter another single word publicly. It will be business as usual even after the interview airs, they know that the British Public, for the most part, have had enough of H&M and their constant string of drama. They really don't care about the American reaction because the future of the institution isn't reliant on American opinion at all.

And I'm going to do there now: One of the reasons Meghan was always unpopular in the UK was because she is American. American culture just doesn't translate well in the UK. And I think people felt affronted her "showy, look at me" kind of approach to her public role that might be normal for American figures (particularly politicians) but doesn't translate well in the UK. And I love the argument that some are making that some of Meghan's staff should have adjusted to her "american style of work." To which I say go fuck yourself. If I came to America I highly doubt I could walk into my bosses off and be like, do you if I not adapt to your work culture cause I'm British and you should treat me differently.

Why would Harry possible think that BRF would let this slide? They both attack the Royal family and didn’t think they would unleash the hounds?

How stupid is he?

Also, do you think Meghan is using a surrogate for this second kid?

This is now an affair of state as Dr Simon Case is involved.

He’s pretty stupid, r376.

Thanks for asking.

[quote]Also, do you think Meghan is using a surrogate for this second kid?

If she is she needs to lay off the KFC. She fat.

Of course the Sussex title is old and storied in British history, it just hadn't been used in a while. It's not as storied or well known as the House of York, obviously, but nothing to sneeze at.

The Queen won and she will go on winning. I don't know about Oprah, she already had to re-do this trainwreck once and added a half hour after the Queen pulled their "work" with royal patronages. Is she doing it over again to accommodate and provide cover for the bullying charges? Seems a bit late for that but you never know.

I think Simon Case is the catalyst behind this whole reveal. He's one of the most powerful people in Britain now - in REAL terms - not in 'royal' terms.

I don't know if this is true, but there are rumours on Twitter that Buckingham Palace is getting ready to sue Meghan for slander in relations to her comments that "The Firm" spread lies about them. If this is true H&M better have some damn good evidence or they are royal screwed (pun intended)

Simon Case fucked up: he just passed on an email from Knauf; he sent it to Carruthers of HR. Which is fine; but he didn't add any value, he just passed it on it seems and washed his hands of the thing. He was high up in KP at the time and I assume already knew what a diva Meghan was. So he didn't get involved at all and that looks bad.

From R374's link: "As for Simon Case, there must be the queasiest of feelings that those silky skills honed in the civil service could have been put to better use to prevent a petty royal drama turning into an existential crisis that today threatens the very fabric of the monarchy."

This is now a constitutional crisis.

Case wasn't in a position to do anything, r383. He followed procedure, which is to send it to HR. Carruthers is the one who apparently dropped the ball, not Case. I'll bet Case and Knauf were frustrated that, having put their neck on the lines to blow the whistle, Carruthers did nothing with it.

Also from R374: "What seems beyond doubt is that the complaint about Meghan's behaviour reached HR but it is unclear why it went no further. Was it a deliberate cover-up – or a concerted attempt to bend over backwards to accommodate the duchess?"

It was a deliberate cover-up to to bend over backwards to accommodate a toxic second tier member of the BRF, our very own girl duchess.

R376 Harry is, intellectually, one of the dumbest members of the royal family ... and that's saying a lot.

Harry may well be the dumbest--I think Andrew would give him the toughest competition.

This isn't the old Commonwealth. For the last fucking time, nothing will stand in the way if Charles, the Queen, and Parliament agree. This isn't like Baldwin's government asking the Commonwealth heads of they'd accept Edward as King with a morganstic marriage with Wallis. This isn't 1936 and fyi, Charles isn't particularly popular in the Commonwealth.

If it means saving the fucking monarchy, believe me, they'll figure it out.

Remind me if I'm wrong, but don't the Beckhams hate Meghan?

18 is "of age"

R376, I'd say that Meghan's values are more Hollywood than American. Plenty of Americans, including ones working in the Palace with her, couldn't stand her. That includes American-born Jason Knauf, as the article at the Daily Mail states:

[quote]All the same, it is significant that the complaint should have been made by Jason Knauf. American-born with a liberal outlook, he was educated at the London School of Economics and a university in New Zealand. If anyone could understand how difficult it could be for a modern, opinionated and socially aware young woman like fellow American Meghan to adjust to royal life, it surely would be Mr Knauf. The fact that she should end up antagonising him, an instinctive supporter, suggests the duchess's behaviour was worthy of censure.

^^Sorry, that was meant for R375.

{quote] morganstic marriage with Wallis

Oh dear R389. Past your bedtime by the sounds of things.

R389 actually it is the same Commonwealth. You do know, don’t you, that unless all of HM’s other realms agreed upon your moronic constitutional change (where the POW’s “Mum” - your description - decides to start tinkering with the hereditary principle) that there could be multiple constitutional monarchs in the Commonwealth with, say, The Queen as Queen of the UK, Charles as King of Canada when The Queen dies and William as King of Australia?

Of course you don’t, you’re just talking out of your arse. It’s a monarchy, not Survivor Windsor.

Don’t make stuff up, you only make yourself look stupid. This you do very effectively.

R389 Charles’s popularity or otherwise in The Commonwealth (please provide a source) has nothing to do with his eventual inheriting of the position of Head of State of rather UK and off the fifteen other countries of which HM is Head of State. Assuming that his mother predeceases him.

You also seem unaware that the majority of the countries in The Commonwealth are republics - do they get a say in who is the next Head of the Commonwealth? It’s only by custom, not a popularity contest, that the current Head of The Commonwealth is The Queen.

Maybe set up a massive Survey Monkey and let us all vote, eh? There’s an idea! Anne to Head the Commonwealth! William as next King the the UK & Northern Ireland! How about Edward for New Zealand? He taught there once! What fun!

There is no reason why the King of the UK and the King of Canada should be the same person. Splits happen, eg between the UK and Hanover in 1837.

[quote] of Head of State of rather UK and off the fifteen

Gobbledygook

Sure R397 - great example. It worked out very well for the Hanoverians.

And I guess using your example when King Charles dies then his heir, King William of Canada, assumes the monarchy if the UK and everybody shifts back. Very efficient.

I'm still not convinced that Charles will outlive his mother. If he goes first, the problem is solved.

Not gobbledygook, R398, just auto-correct doing its thing, but you knew that.

Now back you go to your infantile proposals for fiddling with the Hereditary Principle.

Since Charles has the genes of not one but two nonagenearians in him, it's very likely he'll live as long.

Doesn't always work that way, though. It's like when two hot people make an ugly kid. Genes are funny.

Is this Harry's goal? To destroy the entire monarchy because he can't be King? We're splitting hairs (heirs?) over hereditary ascension and the very fate of the monarchy (based on popularity)- because he and his "scheming" wife have launched a (PR) assault on the kingdom from a faraway land.

It's actually the oldest story in the book, no?

William has hinted more than once that he hopes his kids are grown before he has the Top Job.

It really doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks: If the people of the UK support the monarchy, The Queen, Charles, William, etc., will be fine.

One of the worst things about this story is how Harry knew about the bullying, apologized for it, and asked for the investigation to be shut down, which apparently they did. There are reports that early on in the relationship he "gently" asked Meghan not to be such a bitch to her staff. Then as the relationship progressed, he began to mimic her behavior, whereas before she arrived, he was apparently very good to work for.

And now, it's a full-on folie a deux.

Meghan is psychotic scum, so we can only expect her to behave like prostitute made good.

It's Harry who knows better, and who should have stopped his wife from abusing people instead of enabling her to abuse them.

If the daily fail is any indication, the vast majority are in favor of the monarchy

[quote] assumes the monarchy if the UK

Oh dear R399, try to make more of an effort.

Again, R409, auto-correct - funny how you can “oh dear” me (oh, the shame) but can’t address any of the points that I made because you don’t know what you’re on about and are making stuff up as you go along.

William might get his wish about not being King until he and Kate are empty nesters. Louis, the youngest, is 3, and there's a good chance Charles will be reigning in 15 years. He would only be in his mid-80s.

[quote] great example. It worked out very well for the Hanoverians.

Hanover had its own rules of succession and its own constitution which they wouldn't change, so there's that. There are also the splits between Finland/Sweden/Norway and Denmark/Greenland/Iceland.

If Australia wishes to have Prince William as next monarch, assuming they want a monarch after the Queen, then it's up to them. Same for gigantic Kingdom of Canada and tiny Kingdom of Barbados (soon to be a republic it seems).

R397 Actually by Constitutional law (it's either in the Constitution Act 1867 the Statue of Westminster 1931) whomever is the monarch of the United Kingdom is the monarch of Canada. A constitutional amendment would have to be passed and approved by the federal government and all 10 provincial legislatures to give Canada its own monarch.

[quote] the points that I made

which were all idiotic R410; go to bed.

So how long until Meghan leaves Harry high and dry and then goes back to Oprah and tell her "truth" about the marriage.

R413 let them have their constitutional amendment if they want William or, heaven forfend, Harry as their King. It is really up to them.

So the monarchy's biggest liability right now is Prince Andrew. It's a huge weapon the Meghan has in her pocket (and I will not be surprised if it doesn't come up in the interview). I know the Queen won't do it, but he needs to be stripped of his titles and sent away. Meghan also knows they won't lose their titles so long as Andrew has his.

Not idiotic, R414, just fact.

Why would I go to bed in the middle of the afternoon? Ever heard of the concept of time zones?

Much more fun toying with you.

Both Andrew and Harry need to renounce their peerages. I never saw the point of peerages unless you sat in the legislature; the hereditary peers' situation changed dramatically in 1999. Then up to the Queen to remove their HRH titles. Andrew can hunker down in that pile he's got near Woking Pizza Hut; Harry has Meghan in Montecito.

[quote] And I guess using your example when King Charles dies then his heir, King William of Canada, assumes the monarchy if the UK and everybody shifts back. Very efficient.

Gibbering. Nothing need revert where that has been a separation.

R419 I think you’ll find it was Pizza Express Woking.

Wait for it. If Charles wants to get out of the way, he can. This isn't a change in the constitution (and in case you hadn't noticed, we don't have one: we have laws and precedents). It's a change in the order of succession, which Parliament is entitled to enact. Do you think if he had terminal cancer or Alzheimers there would be any problem changing the order of succcesion?!

And assuming the 15 heads are asked out of precedent, do you really think they're going to say. No, we want the old geezer and Cammie? Do you really suppose it would be anything but a formality if it is made clear that the monarch, the PoW, and Parliament are all of one mind?

The monarchy has survived quite a few crises. But don't think for a moment that Charles's catastrophic marriage and his mentally ill younger son and megalomaniac daughter in law haven't landed some serious blows. Charles isn't capable of dealing with his younger son who, it is becoming clear, is bent on destroying his family.

Charles is the worst thing that could happen to the monarchy now, saving only Meghan Markle. If they need to get him out of the way to save it, it will be worked out. That coronation would be a farce.

Nothing is forever.

The Queen won't take the Sussex peerage away from them. It wouldn't help anything and would just extend the Sussex Victim Tour. It will, as has been pointed out, also bring up questions about Prince Andrew's peerage. The Sussex title is safe.

It would be poetic if Charles is undone by his youngest son and that son's wife's antics, since Harry is temperamentally so much like Diana, and Meghan has set out to evoke her dead mother-in-law in all ways. It's as if the angry ghost of Diana is still fucking up Charles' life 25 years after her death. It's become a Shakespearean tragedy but with more whining.

[quote] I think you’ll find it was Pizza Express Woking.

OMG you're right. Does Pizza Hut even exist?

The royal family has been complicit to Russia because of Prince Andrew and his sex slave scandal.

R423 - A month ago I'd have agreed with you. But now I'm not so sure. The Sussexes are handing HM a good deal of ammo. Without those titles, they are far less marketable. And the fact is, Andtew has vanished from the public view and he has not been legally charged or found guilty of an actual crime.

The Sussexes have actively and loudly sought to damage the monarchy and accused its senior members of defaming her in the media.

I think this situation has gone beyond the limits that used to be imagined to be in place. I think all bets are off the table at this point.

Frankly, after this interview, I now think the Queen may no longer have a choice: she has to take the titles.

As it is, she already looks a fool for using that much loved members of the family bit again.

It's either fight the war with everything you've got or die. The old rules don't apply here.

Meghan's problem is that she never got to be the big movie star she thought she was entitled to be. She wanted to be the next Julia Roberts and when that didn't happen she got quite bitter and resentful. You have to remember that LA is a place where you're surrounded by mega-successful people and if you're not one of those yourself, it does a real number on you. When she hooked up with Harry and finally got the fame she craved all along, out came the diva bitch. She's a very hateful, bitter person.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Meghan and Harry announced they were giving up the titles during the Oprah interview. What a bombshell that would be. "Harry and Meghan" are one-name celebs now (at least as a couple). They don't need "Duke and Duchess of Sussex."

That said, Meghan sure does seem to love her Duchess title, so maybe she'll cling to it despite how absurd it is that they're using titles given to them in anticipation of service to the Crown when they have given the Crown a giant middle finger.

[quote] complicit to Russia

You are a troll from Minsk R426, F&F

It is interesting that the Queen recently appointed former m15 cheif as Lord Chamberlain.

[quote] Frankly, after this interview, I now think the Queen may no longer have a choice: she has to take the titles.

But wouldn’t Meghan still be referred to as “the disgraced former duchess of Sussex”? Even though it would not be an active title, it still might carry some weight.

What was the response from Buckingham Palace to your proposal for Her Majesty to change the Line of Succession, R338?

R338 etc is unhinged.

Now I despise MM. Before these bullying claims, I only commented on her threads for fun, but now she has been exposed as a lying, hypocritical bully. I hate her.

[quote]It is interesting that the Queen recently appointed former m15 cheif as Lord Chamberlain.

Someone hasn't had their morning coffee yet. MI5, chIef

It is weird that the Palace staff are going off to Downing St and now there's one coming in from MI% [satisfied R436]?

[quote]one coming in from MI% [satisfied [R436]]?

Not yet R437. MI[bold]5[/bold].

Prince Charles is a very indulgent father to Harry and Meghan.

What exactly are her defenders not seeing? The fucking book written by that Scabies thing does nothing but trash the brf. It proved that Meg is a petty, vindictive witch. It displayed how jealous she was of Kate. The book confirms that M purposely kept Archie hidden from the public as revenge for no title. I believe she is a bully and I hope all the staffers get together with receipts to expose her.

R422 keep digging. What you don’t understand is that the majority of the Commonwealth countries are republics or constitutional monarchies. There are no Dominions as there were in 1936. It’s not a matter of asking “the heads” - who are “the heads”, btw? - whether they like the PoW or if he’s too old. It’s neither a popularity contest nor a beauty pageant.

The Parliament of the UK has no jurisdiction over these countries.

I’ll try and make it simple for you as you are obviously a simple person. Take Australia, for example. HM is Queen of Australia and according to the Australian constitution her successor will be her eldest son.

Any change to that would require a change to the constitution of Australia - nothing to do with Westminster. Changing the Australian constitution is not a formality. It requires:

A majority in the lower house of the Australian parliament.

A majority in the upper house of the Australian parliament.

If approved in parliament the change is then proposed to the Australian people for their approval. It requires:

A majority of total votes from the Australian electorate and

A majority in four of the six states.

Not quite a formality, is it, R422? And that’s in just one country.

If you think that Australia would accept a change to their constitution because the Queen took your advice to abandon the Hereditary Principle because the PoW is an “old geezer” and Westminster approved it then you’re even more deluded than I thought - and that is fucking astounding!

But you do you - it’s nothing if not entertaining on a Friday afternoon.

H&M keep hitting the nuclear button and then...they still don't get what they want.

So we now know that Meghan and Harry began negotiations with the Palace on their half-in/half-out plan back in mid-2019. Negotiations were going along too quietly and too slowly for their liking, so they hit the nuclear button and they announced their departure on IG which forced the Palace to react without having had time to explore all the options and the possible ramifications and so they basically were told they cannot use their HRH, and they cannot be half-in/half-out.

They moved to Canada but the Canadian government kindly asked them to leave (although Meghan allegedly always planned on moving to LA). HM allegedly believed the the Queen (who is Canada's head of state) put pressure on the Trudeau government to force HM out when the reality is Trudeau asked them to go because opinion polls show Canadians did not want them in the country. Once again the went nuclear by launching their Royal Sussex brand without consulting the palace to gain permission to use the term "Royal." The Queen said no because the Paris Convention of 1883 outlawed the commercialization of the word "royal" (The US, UK, France, and most of Europe signed that treaty).

Realizing the one year agreement for Mexit was nearly up, the couple started arranging interviews before the review was up and didn't inform the Palace. We know that in the days leading up to the Oprah interview story being leaked to ITV, Harry was pressing BP to speed up the deal thinking he was going to be allowed to keep his titles. But once the Palace learned of the interview, the signed off on what had already been agreed on 12 months earlier, if HM didn't come back to royal service they would lose their remaining military titles and patronages.

We also know that the Oprah interview was filmed just before the Palace took away their last royal vestiges. So if Meghan was throwing this much dirt before she even knew the answer, what the fuck was her end game? Anyways the interview will be another nuclear bomb that will likely mean more shit about her is going to be leaked to the press and at least in the UK, her reputation will be totally destroyed.

R440 She is a woman of colour that's what they see. I am a progressive democrat but there is this ridiculous and frankly dangerous narrative now that a woman of colour is above reproach, that any criticism about her, her character or how she does her job is racist. Her Oprah interview will likely play well in the US because of this and because most Americans have no idea how being royal works. Because we have a President, people don't understand that the royals are supposed to be apolitical and don't voice their opinions. They are public servants not celebrities. the US has always been Meghan's end game.

R443 Oh, I agree...Meghan didn't even last two years in the UK and it wasn't because of the mean old press. It was because she always intended to return to the U.S. to create her media empire. She knew it wouldn't happen in the U.K.

But, I don't think she's gonna make much of a career here. She is yet to demonstrate any actual talent for being "the next Oprah". Quite the opposite in fact; she has an uncanny knack for doing the wrong thing.

She desperately wants to be the next Oprah with a big media empire. But she's unlikable, crass, shrill and humorless. She's just off-putting in every way.

Oprah (in the beginning) was very relatable to people, down-to-earth and funny. Meghan is none of that.

Here is how J.Lo another Leo treats her staff

[QUOTE] wonder how many Meghan haters are actual gay men on this site.

Nil. These racist bitches are called Klan GRANNIES for a reason.

[QUOTE] Charles owes his mother, the monarchy, and his other son and grandchildren; he brought Harry up; he indulged him and allowed him to be slide through ..

This is one of the least intelligent posts I've ever read on here. Charles should relinquish his right to be king because he didn't bring up Harry properly?

Charles is a spoilt, ruthlessly ambitious man, as well as being grossly weak willed. He's wanted to be king for 50 years and he's certainly not going to stand aside for William, another serial adulterer.

R448 There are a number of contenders for least intelligent posts on here - all, not surprisingly, from the same poster, who apparently cannot discern between the concept of hereditary monarchy and reality TV.

I agree she couldn't have a career like Oprah's, since she's not warm, and she has that horrible harsh speaking voice.

But could she be the next Gwyneth? I always think what she really wants is not to interview people or talk about books (she's not a people person like Oprah is, and she does not seem like a reader), but just to be photographed, and to tell people what to wear and eat and which quack medical practices to follow , all the while giving them empowering drivel to emblazon on refrigerator magnets.

[quote] she has that horrible harsh speaking voice.

I watched some clips of that Elephant documentary she narrated. Had I not known who was doing the voiceover, I would've wondered who at Disney was going to get fired for hiring an actress with such an unpleasant speaking voice and that horrible upspeak accent. It was so grating to listen to.

It's telling that she wasn't invited back for more voice overs. "Oh look! It's time for a pool party!"

Oprah is highly intelligent, literate, shrewd, patient, emotionally intelligent, diligent, and while I'm sure she has an ego, she is not a narcissist. You know all the things Meghan isn't. Also, but all accounts, Oprah is a good employer which is the reason maybe of the people who work for her have worked for her for decades.

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The palace long term plan for Meghan:

[quote] While they ordinarily would not go on the offensive against [a member of their own family], her appalling actions have left them little choice but to lay bare her hypocrisy. Every characteristic that Meghan considers part of her virtuous and superior “brand” will be dismantled piece by piece.

Has the Queen got dementia? She needs two puppies to cope? She should definitely stand down in favour of Charles.

'Every characteristic that Meghan considers part of her virtuous and superior “brand” will be dismantled piece by piece.'

More grist to her mill. She'll simply say it's the Palace being racist and vicious and her supporters will agree. This is William's work - typical bitchy millennial. Hope Harry destroys him in the interview.

The new york times has an article out that the bully inquiry will back fire on the Royal family and the American media asked what about Andrew?

Andrew will be absolutely destroyed in Sunday's interview. He has been protected far too long. Time for the Pedo of York's public reckoning.

Meghan has the support of the global black community. Accusing her of being aggressive is racist in their eyes, as aggression is a racial stereotype. They are delighted that she put a few white men and women in their place. Any accusations she gets from white Brits will increase her support from black Americans, not detract from it.

R458 Because the American press controls the UK reaction.

R460, black working class Brits hate the royals and are firmly on Meghan's side. Who cares what the white ones think? Certainly not Meghan. Not her country, not her problem.

M doesn't get a free pass to bully people just because of Andrew. That's basically what this argument is implying. Fuck Andrew, may he rot. Being a woman and being black does not entitle her to abuse others. Again, we have another trump type fandom. She's beyond reproach no matter what.

The BRF isn't going to be dismantled because of a d-list vindictive famewhore and her idiot puppet. They will continue to carry on like usual. M didn't put anybody in their place. What does that stupidity even mean?

That is why I believe there is a very powerful people behind the scenes who is advising her, the royal family are now complicit to russia because of Prince Andrew the queen even hired a former m16 cheif to be in charge because she knows they have been compromised. I wouldn’t be surprised if Queen Elizabeth will be the last british monarch after all this.

Go to bed, megstan. Don't forget your meds.

There is already a huge upswelling of hatred against the white BRF from Gen X and Millennials. I really don't think it's survivable especially if they declare war on Meghan and make it very clear that her white staff were insubordinate and treated her badly because she was American and biracial. Women, especially black women, will always be listened to by the younger generations. Nobody cares what some racist billionaires who consort with Middle East dictators think apart from a few over 70s, and they will die out soon enough.

William is creating a whole world of trouble for himself if he ever does become king.

I don't know who the "Megan rules Black people" troll is but she's gone over the top. Whatever reason she had for pretending Megs is God's gift to Black people, she took it too far. Rein it in a little and try again tomorrow, dear.

Rich housewife abuses staff and servants, doesn't play well in the Black community.

The Evil William is behind everything narrative is stupid.

The monarchy wont survive if they make Charles King.

You don't speak for all black people. Fuck off with your "blacks will worship Meghan no matter what" narrative.

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How does she win? The investigation will proceed. Did you actually think we expected results tomorrow? Boy are you dumb.

Keep trying, we know you have nothing but time.

'Rich housewife abuses staff and servants, doesn't play well in the Black community.'

These are the same people who supported Oj Simpson and still love and worship Michael Jackson. Unless those staff were poor and black, they will applaud Meghan. Seems they were white, middle class and male. She wins.

2022? This is going to have zero impact then. The employees were white and male, probably angered her by being contemptuous and patronising. We've all watched the Crown and seen how those courtiers treated Diana. How much worse would they treat a woman of color?

“The Crown” was largely fiction, R472.

And as for “woman of color”? She’s beige. Not much color happening there.

Details of the investigation will leak right up until the resolution. Receipts will be produced and leaked. The tables will turn and every time Smegs has anything to promote or produce (lol), the investigation and it's happenings will be a dark cloud over her head. LMAO, she hasn't won anything. This will be with her always.

The abused staff finally said enough is enough. Good for them, I hope they bury her.

[quote] Seems they were white, middle class and male

All three people she's accused of bullying are female and two are WOC.

Are you the same person who kept insisting that Smugs never got those earrings for her wedding and blah blah blah so if the papers were wrong about that then they were wrong about everything and she wins! ?? Because that person was really dumb.

It is the same pathetic poster who ends everything with "she wins!"

Oh dear, R473 - you really don't get it, do you? The demographics supporting Meghan don't think that The Crown is fictional. We have the Queen, Charles, Diana, Margaret, all being bullied by their staff. Hours and hours of it. Of course people who watched the Crown will assume that worse happened to Meghan, the most extreme outsider of all. And she fought back and was labelled 'aggressive', 'a bully' - racial stereotypes that are red rags to a bull.

You don't understand because you're coming from a white middle class perspective. You don't know any black Americans. And stop saying she's too pale to count - so was OJ, so is MJ. Both beloved.

If Markle had been as black as her own mother, they wouldn't be married today.

The fact that she didn't outright deny it is because she's afraid there are recordings.

End of story.

R478 is not Black and has no idea what she is talking about.

"But Kate's dress!"

"Murder earrings"

"Biracial Trump"

Now back to our pointless bitchery.

R463 it’s MI6, not 16. it’s the letters m and i for military intelligence.

Surprising that MM would do something as contemptible as abuse junior staff in the palace environment, where all is seen and all is discussed. Did she not watch Downton Abbey and Upstairs, Downstairs? I bet she's eaten a hell of a lot of urine and excrement served up on expensive china!

The bullying Megstans must be SEETHING

The staff tried to patronise and boss her around and Meghan clapped back. Good for her!

Isn't it DELICIOUS that the most bullying fandom of all time - The MEGSTANS - is led by a great big BULLY?

Considering how snotty many of the Palace staff are known to be, it's just possible that she had to bully them to get them to do their jobs. I can easily see some of those prissy scumbags doing everything they could to treat her poorly without being overtly obvious. Snotty looks, dismissive attitudes, making her wait as long as possible for anything she asked for. There are a myriad of ways to mistreat people in that position without making it so obvious that you could lose your job. Oh to be a fly on the wall in the staff rooms of Buckingham Palace to hear what the staff called Meghan when they thought no one was around to hear them.

Hi, Meghan, @487

I'm reminded of the scene in "The Windsors" where the Meghan character spouted some of her trademark self-help women's magazine babble and the Pippa character's response was something like "Yeah, no one here will hate you for talking like that."

Maybe she had to bully the staff into doing things her way--those banana messages didn't get done until she got out the Sharpie herself!

Agreed, R487. They were probably all 'but ma'am, we always do it this way' and 'that's not how it happens here, ma'am' or 'her majesty doesn't like...' Unbearable. Of course Meghan asserted herself.

Of course they "forced" her to be a bully!

At first it seemed like your run of the mill celeb interview blitz promo type of opportunity but wow it’s getting dark. Do you think Harry is seeing this as a way to get back a BRF for what they “did” to his mother? Meghan being treated critically and harshly by the press triggered him and is now his reason now to burn it down.

R433 - Stop - being - disingenuous and deliberately misrepresenting my original post. I must have a dozen posts easily traceable to me stating flatly that the Sovereign no longer has the right to change the Order of Succession, only Parliament can do that.

I did not suggest the Queen herself change anything. I suggested that the Prince of Wales, if he were really interesting in salvaging the monarchy's future, tell his mother that he wishes to step back from his place as Heir Apparent, see his older son named as Heir Apparent, whilst Charles remains Prince of Wales for the rest of his life. It would then be for the Queen to put the matter before Parliament.

Whether or not Parliament sends it off to the core Commonwealth nations for approval is a red herring. Your position is that it would be impossible and end the monarchy. It would not.

It is beyond stupid to suppose the Commonwealth would reject such an idea, given Charles' age.

My position was that whatever the government and the monarchy had to do to get it done, they'd do, and at no time did a single post of mine include "the Queen changing the order of succession" unilaterally, and you know it.

In 1936, the entire Abdication Crisis came to halt over one long weekend when Stanley Baldwin's Cabinet got together to consider bypassing Prince Albert, Duke of York, to replace the now departing Edward - and if they'd decided upon Prince George, Duke of Kent, or Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, there wouldn't have been a damned think Prince Albert could have done about it,

And the fucking Commonwealth countries consulted would have simply rubber-stamped it.

Charles isn't even popular in Britain. He lags far behind, as does his wife, both saddled with the legacy of Saint Diana, the increasingly commanding, assured, still youthful William in popularity.

So, spare us the tiresome step by step details of what has to happen.

If it comes down to it, they'll take whatever steps are necessary, fill out whatever forms are necessary, Parliament will give its assent and sign off on it, as a fading monarchy isn't much use to the UK government, either (yes, let's send pudgy, doddering Charles and Camilla in their eighties off to a "mending fences" week in Pakistan, instead of the eagerly awaited tall, handsome young Cambridges!), and whatever other steps they need to rubber stamp it.

The discussion is moot because Charles doesn't have the balls or the selflessness to realise he has to pay a price for the fact that he let his son marry a megalomaniac psycho determined to pull down the pillars of a 1,000 year old institution because it didn't oblige her every whim.

You stated it couldn't happen. I'm stating it can, whatever fucking steps it takes, if Charles, and the Queen, and Parliament, all agree that it's the best way to salvage the monarchy's future.

As for what Her Majesty thinks: I would be surprised if her faith in Charles' suitability for the role of King at this point was any stronger than mine. I'd be surprised if the subject hadn't been delicately raised already amongst core insiders.

R49-Oh yes, she "asserted" her fetid fat ass. She flung hot tea into a female staffer's face. Such grace. Such dignity. Soooo fucking woke. What a impressive feminist!!! She empowers other women , unless they are younger than her. And just gtfo with the pretty ones! How very dare they!!! Such an inspiration. Why, WOC should be soooo proud to support her!!!!! You people , by people it is mostly Meghan posting bullshit fantasy here, are insane. This bitch is over. She just refuses to accept it. She will have no choice. William will never stop destroying her. That is what happens when a person attacks another's marriage, children, father, grandparents, rides the corpse if you poor dead mother for fame and martyrdom. One tends to make it a lifelong mission to expose you anyway possible. Imagine that? Who would expected it? She is terminally stupid. Only one or two digits on the IQ scale above Dimdipshit. What a revolting, clueless couple of whinging ,toxic attention whores.

Oh for fuck's sake, R493, Charles isn't going to step aside and God help anyone who's stupid enough to discuss it anywhere in the ranks. He's waited his entire life to get the job, he's definitely taking it.

He will be King - end of. Pin your hopes on those terrible looking sausage fingers and what that means for his heart. Perhaps it will be a short reign and you will have your King William.

I just saw the trailer for the upcoming interview, why on earth does it go for 2 hours! She only did a few hours work for the royal family before she quit. Plus pregnancy has not been kind to her looks, she used to be very attractive but she never really got back to how she looked around her wedding time.

Look. Neither Harry's family, NOR his former friends can stand to be in the same room with Meghan. She approached this whole thing with a Hollywood NONsensibility, right? Yes. She was so full of herself that she truly believed that she was just what this old, stuffy institution needed to bring it up to speed. She was going to "hit the ground running" and "break the internet." She is showy while the family only needs to be seen - there's a difference. Remember her very first public engagement after the wedding - the BP garden party? Remember the way she twisted and shook her hips as the camera caught her from behind when she and Harry left the engagement? You know that the RF were talking shit about her from that point on. Again, she was not there to work for the RF - she was there to make the RF work for her! You can see her personality way back in that clip about her having Dawn dish soap change their commercial from "women" to "PEOPLE are changing...." - she's a fucking know-it-all. Here was he contemporary dilemma, however - none of that shit was in play by the fact of her own situation. She had married into the most publicly privileged family on the planet. She's championing women's equality causes when her own Granny-in-law is the fucking Head of State. Her adopted country had more than one female Prime Minister.

She was all show and no substance. Completely calculating, and to be fair, they all are BUT at least the RF knows how to pull it off and make it seem uncontrived. Banana, anyone? One sec - where's my sharpie? The exorbitantly expensive clothing. The NYC baby shower via private jet. Tiaragate. She did everything she was NOT supposed to do. All of this could have been avoided had she approached her marriage to her husband as just that instead of a fucking golden opportunity for an opportunist on the make. "Mama - I'm a STARUH!" Racism involved? Probably. You dudes know that no one really gives a shit that you're gay, but they'll break out the F word against you at any provocation to put you in your place, right? Same thing here, I'm sure. Her father and sister didn't help matters at all. We were entertained and tickled by them when they appeared on television, but make no mistake - THAT WAS SOME HORRENDOUSLY BAD BUSINESS!!!! YIKES! She wasn't thinking clearly when she accepted the proposal of marriage because clearly she should have known that she was out of her league, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with that. She was going to be a world-wide super star. That's what she cared about. It's all completely obvious, and because of this ambition she quickly went from possible asset to constant headache in the eyes of the RF. I could go on and on and on......

Remember this gem? They're talking shit right in front of her and deservedly so. It's Harry who is truly at fault, however, because he knows better. Pick it up at the 01:55 mark.

Everyone knows that staff exist to be abused by their superiors.

The garden party...where people heard her saying how boring it was, and then they were told to leave.

Remember the funereal faces of the entire BRF at the wedding...clearly each and every one of them was over MM before then.

Point of bringing up Naomi Campbell is that her friends all thought of her as a lovely person and defended her against abuse complaints by her staff. Meghan has now dispatched her few friends, Lindsay, makeup artist lackey, and Omid to do the same. Yeah bitch, you weren’t her “servant” so she wasn’t ever a cunt to you. You’re her friend and only sees her best side or you overlook her cunty side or even think it’s cute because she’s your friend.

Falling short of that, their defense is that black women can never be criticized as abusive because OMG that’s implying all black people are aggressive or violent. That’s LITERAL VIOLENCE and RACIST!

Why is it that women like Naomi Campbell get excused for being cunty, abusive bosses? Never ostracized nor shamed but instead given more plum opportunities? Lack of diversity in fashion magazine staff is SO HORRIBLE but not being an abusive cunt to staff. She’d been accused of violence and abuse by multiple staff (and 1 taxi driver) 11 times and has been convicted of assault 4 times. Apparently that’s okay with Meghan’s friend British Vogue editor Edward Enninful, and her friend the makeup artist also comes from that abuse-is-okay-as-long-as-you’re-a-diva world. But hey, let’s hear these people hypocritically promote kindness and diversity.

There are fucking tons of intelligent, accomplished, or talented black women for Meghan’s stans to stan and defend. Why are they choosing an unlikable, fake cunt who’s using her biracial identity to blunt any criticism as racist?

Imagine your dim brother marries some woman, you reluctantly bring her into the family business, there's a dispute and they leave, then they try to bring the whole thing down.

Well Naomi Campbell is an elite madam, whereas Meghan Markle is a common whore.

[quote] if they declare war on Meghan and make it very clear that her white staff were insubordinate and treated her badly because she was American and biracial

Stop being a dipshit. It wasn't her staff that were insubordinate and treated HER badly. She was a nightmare to work for and bullied the vast majority of her own employees, esp if they were female. Pay Attention and read up please.

re the link at r469: Megs has won nothing lol. Have you ever heard of "death by a 1000 cuts" - ? The BRF are nothing but crafty; they deliberately have set out a long-ass timeline for these bullying investigations to stretch out over a year or more, to enable a constant drip (stream) of coverage re all the gory details.

By the time they are through H&M will be begging for it to be all over. The Crown Always Wins. Always.

[Quote]That is why I believe there is a very powerful people behind the scenes who is advising her, the royal family are now complicit to russia because of Prince Andrew

Oh dear.

All I got to say is bitch betta have my curtsy!

This poster seems to think that that the little red headed boy is Archie.

R493 It’s hardly news that you’ve posted dozens of times and that they are easy to trace as none makes sense, are based on a complete lack of understanding of the hereditary principle and constitutional monarchy within the Commonwealth setting and become increasingly strident, nonsensical and lengthy as each of your fantasy scenarios are ridiculed by those who know more than you - I.e. pretty much anyone.

But keep it up with your fervid obsession with the Prince of Wales and frantic misinterpretations of succession process and history pulled from Wikipedia. You’re silly, obsessed and a little sad but definitely entertaining!

It's entirely possible for Meghan to be an angel to her friends (as long as they are useful to her) and shitty to the help. Rich people do that all the time.

That IS Archie - cute kid!

Does anyone wonder if Oprah feels played by the Duchess? The couple withheld that they were going to lose their patronages as agreed upon in 2020 and filmed the interview talking about their "service" via these patronages. Oprah supposedly turned her jet around halfway over the Pacific to return and deal with massive edits. She has emotional intelligence and I'm sure she's done her research and is well aware of Meghan's ghosting history, etc. I can't help but think she knows what she's dealing with. It wouldn't shock me if she finds a way to throw some major shade on the Duchess.

R509 and I might add that cunts who have to be fake nice in public release their meanness to the staff or family members. All of that meanness has to so somewhere and for rich fucks it’s usually their staff.

Does Meghan have any black friends who aren't Oprah or Serena? Non famous people.

Meghan has lived in a white world her whole life. She's never been black.

That Silver Tree on Twitter has directed some of my favorite shows, including “You” and “Dead to Me.” Interesting.

Honestly I wish Meghan would stop trying to be a disruptor and global change-maker (boring!) and just get back into acting. I’d love to see her in some juicy, campy role on a Netflix series. The novelty appeal alone would be a hoot. What’s missing from her act right now is any sense of fun. Hell, give Harry a part, too.

I tend to believe that the role the Palace had in mind for Harry and Meghan was buffer, ie fall guys. They were going to use them to deflect harmful media coverage from other family members by planting bs stories about them as needed. I think they knew this and they weren't going for it. Look it up. Charles did this very thing to his own sons.

I find it hilarious that the same pro-Meghan Twitter mobs are also the same cunts who are for canceling people accused with any hint of #MeToo transgressions. They’ll say friends of the accused who stand up for them don’t know the whole story and are just shielding them and denying the victims’ truth. I guess the power dynamics are changed if the one being accused of wrongdoing self-identifies as black and aligns herself with fake woke Twittertards.

R469 She didn't win anything. The Palace is taking its time and investigating the claims. The monarchy always plays a long-term game and that is why they have survived for so long. It's the reason they survived Diana, then Diana's death and how Camilla went from being the most hated woman in Britain to Charles' wife. Also lets face it, HR investigations always take ions to complete. The truth is, Meghan and Harry only think short term. Right now they are obsessed with headlines but that will eventually fade and as their clout starts to wain BP will have a lot more dirt that will be hanging over their head.

R516 That's bullshit. The Queen gave Harry and Meghan an important role in the Commonwealth. If you know anything about the Queen you know the Commonwealth is hugely important to her. Giving them that appointment was a sign of her confidence in them.

BTW CBS dropped a new clip this morning. What's interesting is that Piers Morgan's response ripping Meghan's claim of being 'liberated' has more likes than the actual clip. At least in the UK, this interview will NOT go down well.

[quote]Right now they are obsessed with headlines but that will eventually fade and as their clout starts to wain BP will have a lot more dirt that will be hanging over their head.

They're not getting any younger.

R507 She took the picture down and replaced it, lol. No way Meghan would want her kid’s picture out there unless she was getting paid for it by People or Oprah. I’m sure a furious email or phone call was involved.

[quote] Of course they "forced" her to be a bully!

You love it don't you? YOU LOVE TO MAKE ME HIT YOU!

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R516, what a ridiculous conclusion. The BRF WANTED Harry and Meghan to be happy, successful working Royals. They could have been the perfect complement to the more conservative Cambridges. They were also necessary to help divide up the work, particularly as HM's children grew older. That's why the Palace bent over backwards to accommodate the Sussexes and cover up Meghan's vicious bullying of the help. Drafting them in as whipping boys makes no sense.

The press coverage Meghan received early on wasn't always fair and sometimes had racist overtones. But the press ALWAYS does that to newcomers to the BRF. If Meghan had been patient and done good work, everything would have settled down within a couple of years. But she didn't want to do the work and she didn't want to be patient, and that's why she left.

[quote]'Meghan said not once did anyone from the Palace come to her defense when she was being shredded by the tabloids, but now all of a sudden it's okay for those same people to talk to the media. 'She said it's a double standard and not in a million years would Kate ever be treated this way. Meghan said she was singled out from day one.

That quote from the DM above says it all. Meghan wished for special treatment. The tabs shred all of the Royals, and it's standard policy not to say anything. They shredded Kate throughout her courtship and early marriage with Prince William, and the Palace never responded. But Meghan wanted the Palace to shut the press down for her, as if that's something it could even do. And notice she is STILL jealous of Kate, even living 8000 miles away and no longer serving as a working Royal.

Archie's photos was taken down but it's too late.

Fergie got the worst of it. I remember the “Duchess of Pork” headlines - while she was an active member of the family! I daresay they wouldn’t get away with that now.

R523 That's a good point. The British Media is always terrible to newcomers into the royal family. Prior to Kate's engagement to William, the press dug up every family secret of the Middleton. They labelled Kate lazy, anorexic, the least good looking of the three Middleton children.

R524 and you are right Meghan couldn't hack it because she only wants flattering press. Even the Queen gets bad press from time to time. And she is totally jealous of Kate because she believes she is smarter, better looking and more articulate than Kate. SO she couldn't stand that fact that she would have to curtsy to Kate when she becomes Queen.

No wonder she doesn't want her kid to be photographed. I wonder if he's still cross-eyed.

Archie is a cute kid. He has dark textured hair like his mother's natural hair, though. I bet she's not thrilled about that.

I'm the UK so I'm not clear about this but don't the Trumpists hate Oprah and Meghan?

It's a shame that the British Royal Family are yet again going down the soap opera path.

First, Diana and Fergie gave them headlines in the 80's and 90's. Then they had relative peace and became boring again with Camilla and Kate. Now, Randy Andy and the Sussexes are stiring the pot. I feel badly for the Queen. She must be shaking her head and saying: Bloody hell, not again!

Anyone else think Meghan is going to have an unfortunate accident within the next year or two.

In reality this is ONE interview. Yes it's going to do damage, it's going to embarrass and shake the monarchy but once this interview is done, Meghan and Harry will basically have nothing left to say. They will be ex-communicated from royal circles and no longer have any kind of active connection the monarchy. After a while people will tire of the same stories of her not having her voice, etc etc. They wanted to be half in and half out of the British Royal Family because that tie would keep them relevant. They could cash in more on it. Meghan is going nuclear because she didn't get her way. Problem is every time they hit the big red button, they don't get what they want.

Diana didn't bring down the monarchy and she was BELOVED by the British people. The Brits are lukewarm if not outright cold on Meghan and Harry. Next year is the Queen's Jubilee and as they have done before, everyone will rally round her and it will sure up support for the monarchy again. Meghan and Harry will likely be screaming from the sidelines but they will be overlooked. In fact, I suspect we will only ever see Harry back in the UK for funerals.

I think R516 and R523 are BOTH right.

The Firm just played the hand that they were dealt.

And, if you follow the leads in the bullying chapter, behind the scenes it is Charles' mismanagement of Harry & Meghan that is in judgment and William and his men (Jason Knauf and Simon Chase) are handling this.

Interesting that Meghan's treatment by the British press was nothing compared to the hateful shit the press dumped on to Camilla. It lasted for years. I don't think Camilla complained, publicly, at least.

Camilla was treated horribly and the open public harassment she and her family members endured was tragic. She's still standing without complaint.

Good point r535. I think the rumors about William raging behind the scenes about the Sussex situation a few years ago were true, but a lot of that was rooted in how it was being handled - which is to say, it wasn't. It was being swept under the rug by BP and Clarence House to come back and haunt them all another day, which has now arrived.

William is a tough cookie with an alleged bad temper and strong-handed management style. The exact opposite of his father and grandmother. What you're seeing emerge this past week is his real ascendency in the BRF. This is how he's going to handle these situations, going forward: no more shuffling around and avoiding issues. I think they'll all be better off for it.

[quote]A female boss is either the best boss you've ever had or the worst. Male bosses are either just good or bad--neither extreme.

Absolutely not true. My first female boss was the worst I've ever had. I've also had female bosses who were perfectly fine and good. Nothing extreme about them. And I've had male bosses who made my life miserable. I think confirmation bias is at work in your theory.

I read once that William was doted on by his grandfather Philip because he thought the boy had inherited his no-nonsense, dominant temperament. That seems to be true.

Based on the social media reaction (particularly British news pages) Meghan's comments about being liberated and silence are landing with a bit of a THUD. Best comment: "bitch, no one put a gun to your head and told you to marry into this family!"

This is such a sad miscalculation. Oprah can't even buy a purse in Zurich. Hollywood celebrities are chewed up and spit out daily, there is no loyalty and fealty in Hollywood.

The Queen has been one of the most rich and famous people in this dramatically changing world for almost EIGHTY YEARS. No one else has come close. She could teach a master class in fame. They know everyone, know where all the bodies are buried- NO ONE WHO MATTERS is abandoning them for American jesters. Why would Meghan try this sad trick? It's not winning in the least- it's ruinous for Archie.

R495 - Did you miss the end of my post? Can any of you people actually READ? Here is what it says:

"The discussion is moot because Charles doesn't have the balls or the selflessness to realise he has to pay a price for the fact that he let his son marry a megalomaniac psycho determined to pull down the pillars of a 1,000 year old institution because it didn't oblige her every whim."

Is that clear enough, or do I have to put hyphens between every word for emphasis?

My argument was that he should, not that he WILL (in fact, quite the contrary) and emphatically NOT that the Queen could unilaterally change the Order of Succession.

But if anyone thinks this scenario hasn't been bandied about quietly amongst the "suits", you're naive.

[quote]r524 But Meghan wanted the Palace to shut the press down for her, as if that's something it could even do.

Because that's how the US press is dealt with. She never got how these two countries have different press cultures.

R529 - The last time we saw Archie, he had fine red hair. What kid were you looking at?

Baby Archie needs Toppix like his dad.

He's a cute kid. Look, I think Meghan is a hideous NPD monster- but I beseech everyone here to take it easy on the kid. He's going to have a horrible road ahead of him and I don't think we shitty Internet commenters should make it worse.

And honestly, ginger life is hard enough in the US as is. Harry probably doesn't know that.

r543 and she never had the US press at her beck and call either. No celebrity every really does. Look at big names like Jolie, Pitt, Clooney, the Bidens, the Obamas: they have to put up with intrusive and often negative press coverage daily. Comes with the territory.

Didn't the Sussexes realize it's part of the deal? You don't control your own press in the Western world.

R508 - Ffs, get off your fucking hobbyhorse, will you?

I don't have a fervid obsession with the Prince of Wales but we ARE in case you missed it, in the midst of the latest intergenerational monarchical crisis that seems to occur every ten years amongst the Windsors.

The discussion about what this means for the monarchy has hardly been limited to me. To me, it's plain that after the destructive onslaught of the Megalomaniac and Infantile Dimwit, a serious amount of damage has been done.

This institution needs a reset, and badly. The reset isn't going to be much of one if an 80 year old Charles takes the throne.

That's my point. If you don't want to address it, fine. I'm neither the first nor the last person to observe that if the monarchy is to be assured of another generation on the throne through the good will of the public, a half century of boring old monarchs is likely to make that less likely.

Charles is a fucking wuss twit. If his fucking Mum had done the decent thing and died at 80 or so like the rest of humanity, things might have gone differently.

But since she's likely to hand on the job when he's at least 80, his moment in the sun is decidedly beset with shadows: the dead Diana, his emotionally disturbed younger son, and his wife, a psychotic sociopath and the attendant scandals.

The family are eating each other on the world stage. It's getting uglier and uglier and said sociopathic daughter in law has just thrown Charles' wife, other son, and other daughter-in-law under the bus with foul lies that most of America believe.

This isn't going to blow over any time soon. If they want a real reset, which they need badly, figure out how to go around Charles. If he won't go, they can't and that's that.

But that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea and THAT's ALL I was trying to discuss.

Archie is a perfectly sweet looking baby, although that photo is from last June or so, so he's probably more like a toddler than a baby now, rising two.

I agree, lay off the kids, it's nasty.

And it's nasty enough as it is. This has, as I mentioned somewhere else, already breached the boundaries of an ordinary gossip shit show.

Ffs, these people are sitting on top of the world - both sets of them. They have everything the Fates grant on a whim to very few, especially considering that none of them have the remotest bit of natural talent, exceptional intelligence, or records of exceptional achievement. The only exception to the latter bit in this drama is the Queen's handling of her job the way she has for 70 years through massive social changes, idiot offspring, scandals around her sister, two sons, divorces, and now the betrayal of a mentally ill grandson and his vicious puppetmaster.

Money up the fucking butt, class status, beautiful homes, beautiful clothes - what the fuck else do they want?

William and Harry are the Michael and Fredo of this drama, and we know how that turned out. Kate is poor Kay Adams, the Queen is Mama Corleone, and Meghan . . .

Meghan is Barzini.

Hey R542 - give it a rest, Crazy - at this stage you’re only arguing with yourself.

[quote]And honestly, ginger life is hard enough in the US as is. Harry probably doesn't know that.

Red hair is actually seen as attractive in the US, we don't have that weird prejudice that the British do. Americans dye their hair red because it's flattering in our culture.

Thus perfectly proving my point, R548. In particular the final sentence.

You need to go easy on your keyboard, Crazy - you must be giving it an absolute belting!

I agree, R541. I still can't believe what a mess those two have made of their family relationships. I think you have to be very stupid or insanely arrogant, or both, to marry into the British royal family and expect them to change and accommodate you---or, as a royal yourself, to marry someone and think that she or he can be the catalyst to make them do so.

Is it "fair" that a sovereign American citizen should have to kowtow to another country's royalty, keep quiet, do as she's told, etc.? No. But that's what just about every other person who's married into that family knew they had to do. You learn protocol, you keep your head down, make yourself useful, and take the good with the bad. You don't barge into an institution that's many centuries old and start whining and throwing your weight around.

That's just self-preservation and common sense. After this latest business with the Oprah interview and the bullying accusations, I think I finally understand why they went about this as they did: deep stupidity mixed with extreme selfishness. I think it's as simple as that. They have no idea what they're doing, but they couch it in trashy pop-culture language about speaking your truth and self-empowerment.

They really didn't have to make it this big a problem. They're lying in the bed they made. What's more, I can't see that they actually *do* anything except perform the Harry and Meghan show and talk about themselves. It's pathetic.

Hobbyhorse, I'm taking your advice re my keyboard and blocking you.

R551 No American man would ever dye their hair red. Women, yes, and usually an exaggerated shade, but not that natural brassy carrot color.

R554 Yeah, sure, Crazy!

[quote]No American man would ever dye their hair red.

I've known a few.

The idea that Meghan had that she could waltz into the UK become the next Diana and change the monarchy. The monarchy is a 1000 year old institution that has survived everything that has been thrown at it. The mistake many Americans who move the the UK is that our two cultures are the same, they are not! The Brits are stoical and somewhat distrustful of outsiders. The "me" culture of the US is frowned upon in the UK to a degree. Also the Brits are much quicker to call out celebrity hypocrisy: I mean they rave about charles going on about the environment but flying private jets and helicopters and called out Megs and Harry when they did the same.

Haha ok the ginger comment was supposed to be a joke. But should we start a serious debate on ginger men? I agree, women do dye their hair red, especially in the last ten years (Mad Men's fault?), but we've always busted the shit out of ginger men (all of my cousins are red.)

R544, I was talking about the kid at R525. Now that he's a little older, Archie's hair has darkened and looks curly rather than baby-straight. There's nothing wrong with that, but given how much Meghan hates her own curly hair, it seems unlikely she's thrilled that Archie inherited it.

I'm not picking on the boy: I'm picking on his mother, who ruthlessly deracinates herself except when it suits her purposes.

B U M P

Oh Meghan is getting her Suit co-stars to defend her.

R62 That's what Hollywood does. Right now it looks for them to be defending Meghan, of course if something serious about her comes out into the light, the will drop her. It's also interesting to note that all the people coming out to defend her are Americans not a single person in the UK who worked or was close to her is saying anything positive.

Why is it only the Sussexes can speak out in public, but when the palace or their former employees hit back they are "liars" -?

Perhaps these former staffers need to re-gain their voice and speak THEIR TRUTH so that they can feel whole again! Why are they being silenced?

And who pray tell appointed H&M the official "champions of the underdog" like they said today? Is that an official appointment, how does one obtain this. How can they be viewed as such when they practice such stifling measures on their own employees.

Like I keep saying, this will not end well for Harry and Meghan, at least in the UK. You can tell in the UK now that the media have basically had enough of H&Ms constant BS.

Omid Scobie has had so much bad plastic surgery he looks like an extraterrestrial.

R566 I wonder if Omid realizes that once it's clear H&M has no future in the UK at all that they will drop him like a bag of shit?

Truly Omid Scobie is painful to look at... I prefer Lady C's name for him, Amid Scabies

Judging by R525's pic, I'd say Meghan, along with not liking the hair, probably doesn't like that Archie got her original nose, too.

[quote] I think the rumors about William raging behind the scenes about the Sussex situation a few years ago were true, but a lot of that was rooted in how it was being handled - which is to say, it wasn't. It was being swept under the rug by BP and Clarence House to come back and haunt them all another day, which has now arrived.

[quote] William is a tough cookie with an alleged bad temper and strong-handed management style. The exact opposite of his father and grandmother. What you're seeing emerge this past week is his real ascendency in the BRF. This is how he's going to handle these situations, going forward: no more shuffling around and avoiding issues. I think they'll all be better off for it. - R537

The more I think about it, the more I suspect that the teary-eyed Charles that emerged from hospital had just been told by his father that William was now in charge.

Truly, r568

You know I'm not even a monarchist BUT christ I'm so fucking sick of these two. Their brand is just based on constant drama isn't it. I think Harry is too dumb to realize this of course. I do believe that Harry loves his family (particularly his grandparents) but hates the "suits" that surround the family. I think he's too stupid to understand that Meghan was throwing dirt at the whole family. She already ditched her biological family, do we really think she cares about her in laws. Honestly, the moment the royals learned about her background they should have made it impossible for Harry to marry her.

The American media is on Meghan’s side and as long as the Royal family keep protecting Andrew who did much worse and who refused to collaborate with the investigation thn they believe Meghan ‘s bully situation is lightweight compared to what he did.

The Queen should invite Meghan’s estranged family to the palace and publicly listen to them provide the truth to her about what a horrible person Meghan has always been.

So do you all remember Jessica Mulroney? Meghan's former best friend when she lived in Canada? In 2020, Meghan dropped Jessica after Jessica was accused of racist behaviour towards a black social media star despite Jessica allegedly pleading with Meghan to back her (Jessica allegedly was one of the friends who frequently leaked stories for Meghan to the press). Well, Jessica has been making a small comeback after the National Post discovered some texts that somewhat exonerated Jessica. Allegedly she expected Meghan would be back in touch but it's been radio silence and Jessica is pissed and allegedly eyeing a tell all book that will air out a lot of Meghan's dirty laundry. Meghan has far more people she's tossed aside than allies and it will come back to bite her.

This is really detailed of what was going down behind the scenes at the Palace. Apparently members of the royal family referred to Harry as "The Hostage."

To the surprise of no one, Meghan will complain specifically about the Duchess of Cambridge, a.k.a. Kate Middleton. Meghan seems to hate Kate--pale, inoffensive Kate--more than anyone else in that family.

(The link is to an article in the Telegraph that would otherwise be behind a paywall).

Tall, pale, lovely Kate, with her long legs and shiny straight hair, who will one day be Queen. Meghan hates all pretty women, but of COURSE she was going to hate her sister-in-law. There was absolutely nothing Kate could have done to make Meghan not hate her.

R577 Dumb move....Kate is beloved in the UK right now, particularly all she has been doing with COVID and charity work. I think Meghan is jealous because she wanted to marry william instead.

William would never have given Meghan the time of day. He knows a user when he sees one. In any case, the long courtship he'd have insisted on would have worn Meghan out within a year or two.

William allegedly used to test potential friends/intimates by telling them some secret bit of specific gossip about himself or "The Firm" (which wasn't true) to see if the potential friend was trustworthy, or not if that specific bit of dish escaped into the world.

If that's true, he's a smart cookie.

I'd do the same thing.

The Telegraph article looks juicy but I can't get behind the paywall. Anyone able to? The one where they reveal the staff called Harry "The Hostage"?

As for Patrick Adams' "defence" of Meghan by calling the BRF "archaic" - it's odd how he forgets that his dear friend was desperate to hook Harry and marry into the archaic institution, so she could obtain some good old-fashioned archaic royal status - in fact, it's archaic charm is so potent that she fought to keep it when she abandoned ship for richer sunnier climes.

Perhaps they'll surprise us by announcing on the interview that she and Harry are renouncing their archaic titles, as they've made pots of archaic filthy lucre and don't need the archaic titles any longer.

But oh, dear, wallowing in those archaic titles even for awhile must have been quite the dream come true, eh, Meghan?

So basically the only complaint Meghan seems to have thus far is that she wasn't able to do an Oprah interview before her wedding.

R578 - Well, putting on 20lbs and frizzing up her gorgeous hair with a bad perm might have won Meghan over.

LOL.

It is true, Meghan is eaten up with envy of Kate: white, tall, beautiful silky hair, shapely legs, tiny waist, and, worst of all: married to a higher ranking, better looking man. Already out wearing major pieces of the Queen's: the Cambridge Lover's Knot, Kate's to wear for life for obvious reasons, and so associated with Diana, and the Lotus, as well as a massive emerald and diamond riviere necklace "purchased privately" [i.e., a wedding gift], and the Cambridge emerald drop earrings . . . oh, and the Queen's engagement bracelet . . .

Kate, tall, sweet looking, demure, shapely legs, tiny waist, married to the higher ranking man and looking forward to the highest possible rank in the fullness of time - and domiciled in that 21-room flat in Kensington Palace in the heart of the capital AND gifted with Anmer Hall in the REAL country (not just a suburb a half hour from London) AND with twice as many bedrooms as Meghan was given . . .

Tsk tsk tsk. No matter poor Meghan hates the woman's guts.

The NY Times, which previously has printed many pro-Meghan articles, is taking a more measured, wait-and-see approach.

The Telegraph article is archived here:

The jist of the Telegraph article is that Meghan and Harry went in feeling aggrieved, stayed aggrieved, and left aggrieved. In particular, Harry loathes the press and it's come out in everything he's done over the last 5 years beginning with that unprecedented letter about the press abusing his girlfriend back in 2016.

I could respect their attitude if they'd left Royal life at the beginning and opened that wildlife preserve in Botswana, or just enjoyed their money in Montecito. But they want to be worldwide superstars on their terms, and it doesn't work like that. You can't cherry-pick what parts of the media coverage you want (hagiographic) and sue everybody else into silence.

This excerpt from another Telegraph article hits home:

[quote]"I think there are some viewers who might be forgiven for wondering when they might find their freedom from Harry and Meghan," says Camilla Tominey. "They could have gone quietly after 'Megxit' and they had said they wanted to live a quieter life in LA and I think many people would have let them do that. I think the feeling behind the Palace gates is 'why are continuing to bang on about an issue that was partially resolved last March when you left the Royal family and properly tied up last month when the Queen said you were ending all of your associations. Why are you still talking about this?' . . . There’s a sense that they feel they can just say what they like relatively unchallenged . . . This is about them presenting the world with their truth,” she added. “What these interviews are, both with Oprah and James Corden, are opportunities for self-promotion.”

R576 - That's the Telegraph article that those of us without a subscription can't see.

Of course, in attacking Kate openly, Meghan ensures William's enduring enmity. When the right moment comes, William will pay Meghan back. He isn't prone to forgiving and forgetting, let alone an attack on his wife for which Harry's wife has not an iota of proof.

As we all know, Meghan's interest in burning these bridges is to ensure that Harry has no way back.

It's a classic sociopathic narcissist's strategy. With this outrageous, graceless, vicious attack, Meghan turns the brothers' relationship to charred ashes.

Meghan's hidden fear is Harry getting fed up and leaving; or mending fences with his family to the extent that they can influence him against her.

It is in Meghan's best interests to see that Harry has no way back. If it hurts William and Kate, so much the better.

But she will need Harry under her thumb for a long time to come. She cannot take any chances about some healing and rapprochement occurring. This is her way of ensuring that never happens.

It's a given that the family members, strictly as family members, are remaining silent in the face of these vicious attacks, for a reason. It's likely that they are mapping out longer-term strategies, and that they are framing those with information they have about Meghan that they've been saving for some time.

Click the links in R586 and R588, and you should be able to read the articles.

Hear, hear, R200! Admiration bow to you.

R590 - Many thanks! I have opened and bookmarked them.

r577 that article makes it sound like Meghan has some issues with mental illness.

R593 She has narcissism.

Anyways, by this time next year, the British people will be celebrating the Queen's Platinum Jubilee while the Sussexes try to cling to some degree if relevancy....assuming Meghan hasn't already left Harry's ass. Trust me, if this doesn't work on Sunday, her next step will to be to ditch hair and claim he bullied her.

Good read by a black woman who sees right through Markle's foolishness.

'She flung hot tea into a female staffer's face. '

The Klan are here, telling lies about a black woman yet again.

'The Queen won and she will go on winning. '

She'll be a corpse in a coffin in the ground soon.

R597, she may not see it that way. Lost in all this kerfuffle is an important bit of news: the Queen just got two new Corgis. At her age, really? Apparently she thinks she has a bit more time. Perhaps any stray coins that might have been thrown Harry's way when she dies will, instead, go to a trust for the upkeep of these loyal little animals.

'But that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea and THAT's ALL I was trying to discuss.'

You are the ONLY person on this thread who thinks this is a good idea. Far from providing a reset, skipping Charles would precipitate a mammoth scandal which would undermine the monarchy still further. Nobody cares if he is elderly, he's the next heir to the throne. Dismissing him on grounds of age would be a grotesque act and one that William would not sanction.

Shame you can't see this. You sound young and dumb and that's why you think a 40 something King is desirable instead of a 70 something one. The English equate age with dignity and grace and wisdom. William would have none of these qualities if he skipped over his father.

Crazy is definitely young and dumb.

I wonder if he’s heard back from The Queen re his proposal yet? TPTB must be giving it serious consideration.