Superman black now!

Ridiculous

I see no issue. I really enjoyed Into The Spider-Verse and I grew up watching Justice League with the black Green Lantern.

Oh shut up, you fucking troll. This doesn't mean Superman is going to be black in the reboot. Although it would be an incredibly bold and brave choice if they did make him black.

Ooooops, nevermind!

Ta Naheeshi Coashesh.

[quote]Oh shut up, you fucking troll. This doesn't mean Superman is going to be black in the reboot.

I didn't write the article, you stupid cunt.

Superman is an alien and a fictional character. Not to mention the fact that the creators were Jewish and put a lot of references to Judaism into his origin story. I always saw Superman as a representation of an immigrant trying to fit into a society that rejects him for being different.

I hope he's better at writing movies than he is at writing comics. His Black Panther and Captain America runs have been underwhelming at best.

I'm free, if you wanna give a hard working black man the role!

Way to tank Chinese ticket sales.

R10 Didn't Black Panther do really well over there?

I mean Superman is an alien from a make believe planet. I don't know why Kryptonians can't look like white or black humans.

But man, if true people will freak out.

Ta-Nehisi Ka-ching!

I know. I owe you an apology R6. I am sorry.

Toto—I have a feeling we’re not going to be in Kansas anymore.

Look! Up in da sky, is Supaman!

R11, yes indeed it did, but they don't want icons like Superman meddled with in this weird way. Believe me, I know.

Superman up in this hoe

I never knew Superman was an "icon" outside of America. He seems so representative of stereotypical American values. Batman and Spider-Man seem more global and relatable to wider audience.

Sounds good to me.

With Miss Diana Ross as Lois Lane.

Only if Terry Crews plays Lex Luthor.

In this version Superman and his mom are abandoned on Earth by his dad.

R19, he is indeed beloved in East Asia. Henry Cavill was perfect. They love DC and Marvel, and like the characters as they are.

It makes sense if DC is delving into the multiverse. It's canon that there is a Black Superman in the multiverse - Calvin Ellis.

R24

There's Japanese versions of Spider-Man and Batman. So they do change their race. Also, I know Koreans who loved Into The Spider-Verse.

[quote] I always saw Superman as a representation of an immigrant trying to fit into a society that rejects him for being different.

Could you clarify? Superman is not rejected overall in terms of the 80+ year history of the character. He is lionized and lauded in his world.

And he goes on to live with his grandma, R23.

Stupid.

[quote] They love DC and Marvel, and like the characters as they are.

Sadly, people age out of roles. They need a younger Superman just like they needed a younger Batman.

Gabourey Sidibe as Miss Teschmacher

Black farmers do exist and aren't uncommon in the South or Midwest. I hope they keep that aspect because the rural black population is underrepresented.

R8 I think the problem with Coates is the hpye. Between the world an me was so successful and critically praised than everything he did after that it seemed lackluster. I remember critics and booktubers gushing for The water dance only to be very dissapointed when it was published

R11 Black Panther did amazingly well in the USA, in the rest of the worl did very well (but not better than other successful marvel films).

The fact that it was a good film helped for sure.

Anyway, Black Panther is the way to go to add diversity on superhero films. Changing the race of a known character rarely works and i'm not even talking about the awful reactions some fans have when a beloved character is changed.

They must cast a man with real American roots.

He's hot.

R26, if there's an "American superhero movie", they don't want the characters localized/changed. An "American summer blockbuster" means something quite distinct in East Asia. They want the "authentic American" thing--no localization, not postmodern/experimental PC riffs. See also, e.g., Tokyo Disneyland: they dismissed Disney's localized elements and said "No, we want exactly what you have in America". It's an East Asian thing when it comes to American entertainment.

Who will DL hate more? The black super hero or comic book fans?

They seem to prefer to cast British or Australian actors for everything. Even Daniel Kaluuya got a lot of flack for being cast in Get Out and being a black Brit not Afro-American.

Disney's *proposed localized elements

R39, it is curious that a lot of prominent Black actors are not American descendants of slaves. I wonder about that subtle bias.

Samuel L. Jackson tried bringing up that issue a few years ago and was told to get back in his corner by John Boyega.

I won't be satisfied until we have a BIPOC mtf as Wonder Woman.

Laverne Cox is Wonder Woman, who leaves xhr homeland of Tranny Island to fight cis white men in the outside world.

If he is black, shouldn’t it be ‘Soopah Man’?

He steals wallets faster than a speeding bullet.

[quote] Laverne Cox is Wonder Woman, who leaves xhr homeland of Tranny Island to fight cis white men in the outside world.

Xhr greatest enemy is the supervillain Misgendering Cis Man, who literally erases trans people out of existence by his refusal to use their proper pronouns (and/or alternate between them if they have more than one set of them).

r25

and I am fine with a black superman if it's Calvin... Clark Kent is NOT black

I CAN'T MASTURBATE TO THIS!

If ever there was a time for Bernice to sing "Black Man"

Wasn’t the whole Superman thing taken from the Nazis?

It's only a matter of time until there's a Catwoman movie where Catwoman is a tranny

r51 Superman was created by two Jewish teenagers.

They need to do something different because Superman keeps flipping. People aren’t interested. They’re being Keaton back as Batman for a reason and doing films like “Joker”. They’re bold ideas. Trying to do what Marvel has done (one connected universe) has not worked out for Warner Bros.

Yes, r53, but Superman, aka Übermensch, was a Nazi concept. Certainly Jews knew about it. Hitler wouldn’t shut up about it.

The comic-book hero Superman, when Jerome "Jerry" Siegel first created him, was originally a villain modeled on Nietzsche's idea (see "The Reign of the Superman").[citation needed] He was re-invented as a hero by his eventual designer, Joseph "Joe" Shuster, after which he bore little resemblance to the previous character. However, Superman does find an adversary in the mold of the Nietzschean Übermensch in the recurring arch-villain Lex Luthor,[citation needed] his greatest enemy on Earth. Luthor is preceded, even, by a supervillain resembling Siegel's original concept for Superman bearing the synonymous name "Ultra-Humanite". A direct reference to the term occurs in the episode "Double Trouble" of the TV series Adventures of Superman, in which a German-speaking character calls the title character "verfluchter Übermensch" ("cursed Superman").[23] In the tenth season of the show Smallville, an alternate Lionel Luthor refers to Clark as the "Übermensch". Overman is an alternate version of Superman from Earth-10, an Earth where the Axis Powers won World War II.[24]

Why can’t he just be a big gay Mary? La Belle Cavill would be perfect. Glitter in his hair and a rainbow “S” on his huge tits. No cape, though. I need to see that butt. Lois Lane can be his lesbian bestie and Jimmy is his twink cumslut.

More White people's sloppy seconds for Black actors.

SupahMan.

We heard ya the first time, r59. Are you missing the rally for this?

Emmanuel Lewis as Mr. Myxlplyx!

Gibourney Sibide as Grodd!

James Earl Jones as Jor-El!

Oprah as Lara!

Jay-Z as Zod!

R57

There used to be a pink Kryptonite that turned Superman gay. Obviously, that was homophobic and wouldn’t fly today.

They should do Apollo & Midnighter though. They’re very close to being gay Superman & Batman.

Megan Markle as Lois Lane.

What character will Roxane Gay play? Supergirl?

r64

I think Peter David made up pink kryptonite just for that Supergirl issue... I don't think it showed up before or after

Here’s my issue with Hollywood’s current obsession with race:

This town has never been notably racist. Money obsessed? Yes. That’s the real reason why so few movies were made about or by minority people - you’d run the risk of your film only being seen by a minority of consumers. Remember, America was largely white for... a long time. So you’d likely make more money pandering to them.

But generally speaking, Hollywood folk have never been notably racist.

Now that has changed.

The current refusal to hire white men for jobs is racism in its purest form. And it’s happening a lot in the business right now. The few white guys in power are desperately trying to seem woke and are actively hiring anyone but white guys.

Many of you will say “boo hoo” or “cry me a river.” Because you’ve decided that every white person is the same and has the same amount of access/privilege/etc. You know, the way racist people assume all black people are the same. If you think this way, you are a racist.

But this new racism is a pretty scary fucking thing when you’re just trying to pay your bills. And you’ve paid to get educated. And hustled to get work without connections.

True equality is opportunity for all. Based on merit and skill or talent. Not because of or in spite of the color of your skin.

The post-woke era needs to start now.

More fucking black shit. There are other minorities you know.

Can they make him gender non conforming and name it Superthem

r70

you made me snort

R69 Yeah but they don't tear down statues.

SuperthemX*

R68

“This town has never been noticeably racist...”

I stopped right there. You’re full of shit.

So this will be Steel (Calvin Ellis), not Superman (Clark Kent). It’s a completely separate story so you can’t be calling it Superman. Just like a movie featuring one of the black Amazons on Paradise Island can’t be called Wonder Woman.

Steel is John Henry Irons. Calvin Ellis is Superman of Earth-23.

Calvin was inspired by President Obama.

I have noticed many are spelling black with a small b. Now it has to be a capital B. White can stay a small w..

But who could they cast as Sup? Who? Who????

Abrams? Black Superman? WB has lost its mind! Abrams shit the bed with Star Wars and they want to hand the DC keys to him, with a paycheck for 1/2 Billion?

This is not going to end well. Kevin Feige is having a big laugh right now.

Sucker!

Will it be better than Black Annie?

[quote] Superman is an alien and a fictional character.

[quote] I mean Superman is an alien from a make believe planet. I don't know why Kryptonians can't look like white or black humans.

So tired of this notion that just because it’s fictional, anything goes and they can do whatever they want. Amazons and Paradise Islands are fictional too but you would all throw a fit if they made Diana Prince black. The Golden Girls is fictional too but you would flip your lids if they made them all black and be crying about how they’re not respecting the source material. Hypocrites.

If Tyler Hoechlin can be Superman, I don’t see why a black guy can’t be Superman.

I’m with R69, this isn’t diversity. Where are the other minorities?

Uh, they had a black Superman in the 90s.

R1 I suppose a Caucasian alien is the epitome of logic and common sense.

That was Steel, not Superman.

[quote] I suppose a Caucasian alien is the epitome of logic and common sense.

This is the stupidest statement ever. Suppose they remade Sex and the City with four black woman, with a black Carrie Bradshaw and black Samantha Jones because only having white women in NYC is the epitome of logic and common sense.

Why haven't they made a Static Shock film yet? Static Shock was an icon to black millennial youth and DC owns that property from their purchase of Milestone Comics. So what gives?

[quote] Way to tank Chinese ticket sales.

The theaters are closed, dear, and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

R88 That SATC remake actually sounds like a good idea.

LOL, DC trying to re-create Wakanda and Black Panther mania since poor Boseman died. Yeah. That will work out as well as anything else they've done.

[quote]Why haven't they made a Static Shock film yet? Static Shock was an icon to black millennial youth and DC owns that property from their purchase of Milestone Comics. So what gives?

Michael B. Jordan is producing Static Shock with WB. Who knows when that will actually get off the ground, though.

[quote]The theaters are closed, dear, and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

Theaters in China and other territories are open. China recently broke their own box office records with a film that has taken in $6 billion yuan / $930 million. That aside, historically films with black actors in it do not perform well in China.

LOL!

If Ray Fisher is lying about Hamada and Joss Weadon, why doesn't WB sue him?

R84 Tyler is white.....

[quote] Tyler is white.....

He is? You could’ve fooled me.

I wouldn't mind a black Golden Girls. Black Sophia and Black Dorothy could be Cuban. Black Blanche could still be southern. I don't know how you would transfer stupid Scandinavian Rose though, maybe make her a hippy dippy from California.

R97 glad I could help, Mr Wonder.

[quote] Mr Wonder

?

Christ white people love to be victims. Like 90% of them ever spent any money on anything superman related.

[quote] The current refusal to hire white men for jobs is racism in its purest form. And it’s happening a lot in the business right now. The few white guys in power are desperately trying to seem woke and are actively hiring anyone but white guys.

I get that you are trying to make a point but it is ridiculous to suggest that Hollywood is anything less than 90% male and white. White guys are still in charge and still hiring other white guys. It will never change.

China doesn’t want woke stuff like this. They want a handsome white guy playing a white American superhero. Same in Japan. They want something they find pleasing to the eye. Dark skin and certain facial features just aren’t pleasing to them. It’s just reality.

If it flops in China, it’ll deserve it.

Why can't Hollywood make remake Blade?

R103, it IS racist to imply that Asians find white people more attractive than other Asians.

We will not stop fighting until ALL superheroes are black, with black love interests and black villains. Even the extras must be black. And then we will exhale.

[Quote] Why can't Hollywood make remake Blade?

Another tv show is happening.

[Quote] ?

[quote] Superman black now!

What will Superman be next?

This is A Superman from a DIFFERENT universe. This isn't about changing the race of THE Superman (Clark Kent), you racists fucks.

R103 I don't think China will be a problem in this case. Most cases of changing the race (well from white to black because it's always the same thing) ended doing pretty bad on the box office. When you change the race of a character for the sake of it rarely there's a good screenplay behind. There are a good bunch of black superheros, just use those storylines, it worked perfectly fine with Black panther.

R105 Racism or not it's reality. They prefer their foreign actors to be white. I don't understand why they don't use asian actors on blockbusters, but asian actors are largely ignored by Hollywood

R110

If this is Calvin, it’s not changing the race of the character. It is a different character.

Marvel is coming out with Shang-Chi. Jimmy Woo is pretty important in the MCU. They possibly will even bring in Agents of Atlas, an Asian superhero team.

DC’s biggest Asian superhero is Katana, who was in Suicide Squad. Grace Choi was in Black Lightning.

R111

And Silk was also introduced

R22 I'd like to grab Terry Crews by the "pussy' , I would...

R111

Oh yeah, and Doctor Light in The Flash.

R111 In that case they should be very clear about it to avoid the trolls.

Right now there's a lot of diversity in comics so they should take profit of it.

And Guardians of the galaxy proved that you don't need characters that are very popular if the storyline is good people will connect with it

There are a couple of POC Supermen they can choose from

Call me when they made a Gay Superman reboot.

[quote] Call me when they made a Gay Superman reboot.

I don't think Henry Cavill is coming back for any additional Superman movies.

[quote] Even the extras must be black.

Atmosphere players!

Coates is a racist hack, almost as execrable as Kendi.

R117

There was no gay Superman in the comics (that I know of, besides the offensive one off pink kryptonite).

We should get Midnighter & Apollo.

[quote]DC’s biggest Asian superhero is Katana, who was in Suicide Squad. Grace Choi was in Black Lightning.

There's also Ryan Choi's The Atom.

The Blue Beetle film will be about Jamie Reyes' Blue Beetle. The Flash's Supergirl will be Latina, so it's not like DC is only focusing on Black characters.

R118 it seems to me that Cavill is officially out as Supes.

R120 Explanation of that, please

Superman can be any race.

But instead of creating Black versions of already existing works, can't writers just come up with new original stories?

And I appreciate Ta-Nahisi Coates' works, but his constant race fatalism is tiring. Is white supremacy going to be the Black Superman's kryptonite in this latest version?

This has actually been in talks for a while, before Ta-Nehisi Coates became involved. And Calvin is NOT Clark. It is a different story and he was actually based on President Obama.

Ray Fischer needs to stop. But he won't because he has no career now. I mean, tweeting accusations IS his career now.

He might find stage work, but he is OVER in TV and Film.

r127, you're wrong. He is still very viable in Hollywood. I think Ray Fisher did not like being Cyborg. He just doesn't like playing the character. So he is content to tank the whole engagement. I applaud him for speaking out when everyone else is too scared. However he must be careful not to allow others to make it appear that his ego or entitlement are the problem. He should just move on -- he's young and goodlooking and can still have a long career on screen or stage.

Shyborg.

Where is white Shaft?!

[quote]But instead of creating Black versions of already existing works, can't writers just come up with new original stories?

New original stories don't have the built-in box office appeal.

R123 Grace is not a reliable source.

I would love to see a movie or TV adaptation of the Midnighter R63, they could do a great TV series of The Authority. I wonder if to some extend The Boys stole their thunder in a way (an explicit, super-violent superhero concept) but it would be still worth doing I think. I love Midnighter, one of my favourite superheroes.

As for a black Superman, I have absolutely no issue with that whatsoever I couldn't understand anyone who would. Dude's literally an alien from another planet, his skin colour is irrelevant. As long as he's hot and built I'm 100% behind it.

Sorry, should have been R64 regarding the Midnighter comment, dumb site not allowing edits!

R128 I don't think so.

He is obviously right about Whedon and probably he is right about Hamada too, but he is a very small fish in a very big pond. An A lilst maybe can afford being so loud but not someone like him

I agree with R135. Fisher is a decent actor but he doesn't have enough clout in the business to go after execs. He's not going to be around much longer.

When will they make a midget Superman? Where is the midget representation?

[quote] If Ray Fisher is lying about Hamada and Joss Weadon, why doesn't WB sue him?

Lying about what? He’s never even said what they did wrong.