Things Others Accept That You Can't Make Sense Of

Trans ideology.

Parents who let their kids identify their gender. Let them wait until they are old enough to make an adult decision.

People who are fanatic about sports.

How ANYONE can believe in immaculate conception or anything in the Bible for that matter.

TRANS TROLL THREAD

OP, you might be on the spectrum. You see things far more logically than most people, and having trouble with societal norms is a significant indicator.

BTW, I feel very similarly about the examples you listed.

The beauty of Miss Lindsey. Republicans are charmed.

R5 - again, I don't understand those who don't see that Miss Lindsey does, indeed, have very pretty eyes. Sorry, the bags and all suck and he sucks, but those are some beautiful blue eyes.

I don't see what point you're making from your second point.

R3 I am the OP and I neither mentioned nor thought about transgender issues when I started this thread. I was thinking about cognitive dissonance and arbitrary loyalties and arbitrary ideas of morality. Don't be paranoid.

R5 I have wondered if I could be on the autism spectrum and I've taken quizzes, which have always said I'm not. I am very empathetic and I typically have strong intuition about how people feel and oftentimes even have a hunch about what is occupying their minds. I once told someone who knows me well that I wonder if I could be autistic because I just don't relate to the sorts of issues I mentioned above and because I am so introverted and self-isolated, and she told me that my "problem" or the quality that makes me this way isn't that I can't relate to people, but that I am too sensitive and too empathetic and it makes me withdraw to avoid being emotionally overwhelmed, and that does seem right to me.

But at the same time, I do have spectrum qualities such as being obsessively interested in certain things that catch my interest and physical sensory stuff--I don't really like most people touching me casually but I am most comfortable when covered in heavy clothing and I have found that I really do like being under a weighted blanket. So I dunno. Either way, team sports loyalties and glorifying people who kill people during wartimes both weird me out.

R7 Points two and three really are the same train of thought (although three builds on both one and two, really.). I really split them up because people here always get mad at paragraphs that they feel are too long to read.

My point is that:

A) Killing is always bad. (Except during wartimes when all killing of 'the other side' is celebrated.)

B) Slavery was an evil and condemnable institution to its core.

C) The origin of US slavery was British/European colonialism, and Britain exploited slaves in the American colonies to enrich itself, but

D) The American revolution was a rebellion against taxes and other hardships--exploitation--that white male colonists felt was perpetrated by the King of England against them. Eventually after the US was formed, Britain condemned slavery while US leaders worked to make it even more of a formal race-based institution.

So:

E) I don't understand how rebelling against Britain to be a "patriot" is inherently laudable and honorable, or especially why finding a "patriot" among one's ancestors would do anything to offset guilt about finding slave owners among one's ancestors, but this is how Finding Your Roots consistently presents the stories: Anytime people fought on "the right side" (eg, fighting against Britain in the American Revolution or fighting against the Confederacy in the Civil War is always celebrated by both the show's host and by the people being profiled, regardless of terrible war stories).

In sum, I feel like inhumanity, cruelty, human rights abuses and killing are reprehensible all around, with respect to slavery and with respect to wars. But I seem to be totally alone in thinking this way?

R8 - honey ignore the bores who call everything a troll thread. I swear, anything you write on DL, you inevitably have the "troll thread" queen show up....write about favorite ice cream or cute little puppies and "TROLL" in all caps. You just write what you feel. No judgement.

R8 Nobody cares, you autistic bore.

I care, R8.

If you're a woman, that would explain having empathy. Autism presents quite differently in women than in men, so it's often misdiagnosed.

R11 = the apartheid.

R12 I'm a gay guy. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

R12 is likely right, OP. I too am an autistic female (HFA Asperger’s, recently diagnosed as an adult) and I relate to much of all you’ve said. I hate to be touched lightly (a a very firm squeezing hug is quite nice, though), can’t abide certain noises or textures or smells, tend to isolate when overwhelmed, and can’t understand social rituals such as sports or dating or politics. ASD does indeed present very differently in women, and tests don’t always catch it; I was tested as a high-achieving teenager with very adept masking skills, and scored far too well to possibly have it, meaning it took an enormous breakdown and failure to launch some years later for anyone to flag me as having it! Seek guidance, it will help.

FWIW, I also suspect I could be asexual (homoromantic), because I have never understood the overwhelming drive that makes people fall into bed with each other with no second thoughts or restraint. I can’t even bring myself to kiss another person, and I have rarely ever wanted to, either. Yet people wreck their whole families, their careers, their health, and their lives just to have sex with certain people they want. It just makes my head spin in confusion. Even at the zenith of my hormonal strife, when all my peers were shacking up left and right, I absolutely did not get it and didn’t partake. Admittedly I had a couple of crushes in my teen years, but they manifested more like admiration and puppy love (like, “please be my best friend forever” type energy). I feel like a bit of a freak being my age and a virgin who is at best only mildly interested in coupling. It’s not like I’m bad looking or boring or an unpleasant person no-one would want to be with, and I have had offers. It’s just that I don’t understand the practise, and frankly don’t think the sacrifice of time and energy and dignity and freedom just to win a partner for an indefinite period is really worth it. I’m probably missing out, though, idk.

The death penalty should be abolished, but it's OK to kill a baby as its being delivered.

[quote] also suspect I could be asexual (homoromantic), because I have never understood the overwhelming drive that makes people fall into bed with each other with no second thoughts or restraint.

R16, that is not asexuality. That's just having some discernment. Aka not being a rapacious slut. Perfectly healthy and "normal" behavior.

That people actually believe some mystical being created the entire universe, all forms of life, every planet, every star and every galaxy. Yet this being has special fondness for, and blesses, the USA.

If you, as a soldier. are ordered to kill someone and you do kill that person, it was your decision as a soldier to follow through with the order.

So, it's also your fault that person is dead. Just following orders isn't an excuse. You are part of the problem.

Hurting animals.

I 100% do not understand the benefit/appeal of religion. What's the point? I honestly do not understand how people who are adults actually believe this stuff.

Worrying about your soul after you die. Why do you care? You are dead, it's done.

Extreme sports that can result in death. Again no idea why you want to take the risk.

How can people just leave their pet at the pound? If you are too ill/elderly/incapacitated I understand if you tried to find a suitable home for them first, but how can you just desert a dog or cat because you are bored with it?

Trump. again, a well know as a liar, grifter, con artist, overall piece of shit, why would this trash appeal to people?

Similarly, the Kardashians. Why waste time consuming the breadcrumbs of these dumb fake hos?

Now you have me wondering if I'm on the spectrum. I am an empath, but can be extremely black and white on issues. I also have noise aversions and not keen on clingyness. off to take an online quiz.

I don't understand how abortion is murder except in the case of rape or incest.

I don’t understand your post R23

[quote]I don’t understand your post [R23]

A lot of "pro-lifers" say abortion is wrong but they make an exception if the mother has been raped or is the victim of incest.

If they believe abortion is the murder of a child, how does it become not murder because the child is conceived in violence or between family members?

It's either murder or it's not. Seems to me if you make any exception, you are in fact pro-choice ... you just want to dictate the circumstances of the choice. "Innocent" women get to have an abortion, "sluts" have to live with the consequences.

At least the Catholic church is consistent on the issue.

Funerals are grotesque, especially open-coffin funerals.

I'm not a monster; I feel sad when someone I care about dies, and understand wanting to have a get-together to talk about the person. Why does the dead body needs to be there?

We love dogs but eat other animals.

[quote]I don't see what point you're making from your second point.

You're four up on me.

Regulating the sexual conduct of consenting adults or the reproductive rights of women.

Incarceration for non-violent drug offenses.

Eating Pigs. Snacking on their fried skin.

OP, your questions in #s 2 and 3 seem to fail to take into account the passage of a couple of centuries, and the changes in British attitudes towards slavery. Societies aren't static; they change over time.

OP, regarding #2, you must surely know that almost NO Americans are aware of the fact that America fought for independence in part because they wanted to keep slavery, but the Brits had abolished it.

That part of the Revolution is kept strictly out of the textbooks. I recall seeing a thread on Twitter about the show "Turn" which had a bunch of people insisting that the part about the British abolishing slavery and the American "heroes" being mad about it was "made up just to get ratings."

I don't understand why so many people don't care about the truth or about facts. Not talking about trolls, but about everyday people who cling to all sorts of crazy conspiracies or refuse to believe in things like, say, germ theory, or gravity.

This may seem harsh, but why are pro-lifers so ok with all these unborn they have no intention of supporting through societal means?

Where are all these unwanted kids going to go? We can't take care of the homeless and poor in this country already. No one gives a shit when they're out of the womb, but in the womb, they MUST be saved.

People who stare at their phones ignoring their dogs while walking them and yanking them along with neck collars.

The concept of “Biblical Archaeology,” which I consider a contradiction in terms. It seems to consist of educated people seeking literal validations for statements in their favorite religious book.

Their ongoing efforts, accepted by the media, remind me of attempts by Heinrich Himmler and the Nazis to discover proofs of the historical supremacy of the white race.

(I also find the Bible to be little more than heavily edited fiction. But no need to stir up that cultural can of worms. I don’t have opinions about the Torah and the Koran, since I’ve never read them. Nor was I forced to study them in secondary school.)

OP PREACH!

On a lighter note, a woman can walk around outside in a bikini with no problem, but if she wears her bra and panties, then she's going to jail! It's the same getup!

Climate Change:

1. Some people go on and on about it but in the same breath say that A) It won't affect my generation as badly as others (30 years old) and B) that that it's too late to fix the issue. So with all that being said, can they just chill the fuck out? I as a normal citizen can't fix climate change. The US is being eclipsed by China with pollution rates. If it's between jobs + destruction and fewer jobs + destruction, I'm voting for the jobs.

2. Immigration: The doom and gloom says flooding, droughts, and famine will occur. So why do many of these folks also want open borders? America is blessed with some PRIME real estate on this earth. Fresh water, good land, and space. Why the hell would I want to open the doors to the rest of the Americas when we are told that things are gonna get crazy. Seems like we should take a NZ approach and play favorites. P.S. Why does NZ get a pass for their harsh immigration laws but the US gets racked over the coals?

We now know that animal agriculture is one of the major causes of climate change.

Most environmentalists scarf down tons of burgers, eggs, yogurt etc.

I don't get why these strident eco warriors don't see they're one of the biggest causes of environmental disasters.

[quote] Your sports team versus my sports team.

Very much like religion. No logic to it—most people’s religion is whichever one they were raised in. It’s merely an accident of one’s birth.

Over Population: It sees very simple to me that our issues on this planet can be attributed to the ever increasing population sizes around the world. If we would initiate a world program to reduce the number of people we could fix a lot of our issues.

1. In Vitro should be outlawed. If your pipes (male or female) don't work properly, tough shit. Buy an orphan. That also applies to gays that like to rent a woman's uterus for their precious crotch fruit. Very rarely are people's genes so important to mankind that they just have to procreate. If you can't have children due to a fluke of nature then accept your lot in life and buy a child or move on.

2. People should be taxed for having two or more children. This program should probably be an 80 year world wide initiative. A two-three generations of pregnancy austerity would do the world some good.

3. Technology is going to wipe out more and more jobs. Fewer people on this Earth will reduce the need to find younger people work. Southern Italy and parts of Greece are experiencing this now with a large segment of their (likely hot) young men out of work and angry.

UN needs to get off their ass and start having this discussion. Forget about emission credits and just ask people to stop popping out children. Especially the poor, the wealthy seem to have gotten the message over 100 years ago.

OP, you sound as though you either missed out on freshman dorm life or you're nostalgic for it now.

Cemeteries should be abolished. Only old ones with artistically significant tombs should remain but the rest can be dug up and tossed (or handed to family to pick them up by the end of the year). It's a complete waste of space and resources. Cremation is perfectly acceptable since most people are largely forgotten soon after death.

Look at this wasted space in Los Angeles? Beautiful section but this could really be something useful to society.

What's the point of people? We should all just kill ourselves right now!

[quote]5. TV and print news consists of: Politics, violent events, technology, stock markets, human-interest stories (often involving health conditions), weather and sports. (Why sports? I will never understand.) Occasionally some entertainment headline, usually when it overlaps with politics or human interest. TV news rarely includes science, such as environmental sciences, biological sciences, medical advancements (except human interest or plagues) or arts other than pop culture. Who decided sports always has a place and arts and sciences almost never do?

OP, I won't mock you. I think can shed light on point 5.

Most local papers don't care about Art & Science news unless there's a local exhibit or need a scientist to explain stuff, mostly the weather. Sports is different because games are scheduled, and from the mid-20th-century, sports and gambling have been intimately involved. Not only local papers but thousand of penny-publications speculated on the contenders for each event. Moreover, nationally syndicated columnists opined on different teams, players, coaches, and horses, thereby coalescing an elite (insidery) opinion on different sports topics.

The Sports Section was the most popular part of any paper, the first read and most fought over. Even today, you see complaints that news coverage dumbs down everything to a horse race. B/c that is what the market wants.

Think about it: Do you remember Einstein holding a paper with a huge headline stating: EINSTEIN FIRST TO PROVE SPECIAL RELATIVITY. Or a headline over a pic of Picasso: PICASSO WORKS TO FINISH GUERNICA BEFORE PARIS EXHIBITION.

The news is not friendly to the Arts and Sciences, reported using the human interest template. Even the Business Section highlights stock market results over more important developments. Of course, Business coverage is influenced by PR releases copied almost verbatim by the press.

You say you fucked my mouth and ass. I disagree. You did not fuck my mouth and ass.

That list reflects such a fundamental lack of understanding about the world around him that it's a wonder that a safe doesn't fall on his head every time he leaves his house.

Talk about false equivalencies, non sequiturs, and flawed syllogisms.

[quote] On a lighter note, a woman can walk around outside in a bikini with no problem, but if she wears her bra and panties, then she's going to jail! It's the same getup!

Speaking of which, men can strip down to the barest of material, with the line usually drawn at pubic hair (weird, IMO), and women can show just about the same amount of skin EXCEPT nipples.

Male nipples are wholesome and G-rated. Female nipples are R-rated and forbidden! Even when men have floppy breasts, big areolas and long, pointy nipples--totally fine. But if it's stuck to a woman, then the nipple is obscene and corruptive.

It is an intrusion of liberty for the government to regulate what a woman does with her body, except where the government is regulating her nose and mouth.

Women are inferior to men.

And don't tell me no one really believes that. Even men who would deny it to their dying breath patronize women.

That a vegan diet is healthy for you.

DLers who hate certain classic Hollywood actors (e.g., Jimmy Stewart) simply because they were registered Republicans, never mind that the GOP then was different. However, these same people don't hold it against modern Democrats even though it was Dems who supported slavery, fought for the Confederacy, founded the KKK, and instituted Jim Crow laws in the South.

Martin Luther King, Jr's father was a lifelong Republican who was distrustful of Democrats because of their history mentioned above.

The issues of participating in a religion, believing in a magical man in the sky and believing that the here-and-now material life experience can be quite different and are wrongly conflated above.

I have only ever been inside churches for weddings (which I don't really "get") and funerals (which I "get" some aspects of), and I was raised totally without the rituals of church services. They confound me personally, but I understand why some people are acculturated to church-based communities, especially in rural or isolated areas. It's a way of connecting to one another and becomes the center of a town. So I get that on principle. In a lot of places, churches are community centers that are great for many and which marginalize the few outliers.

As strange as it will sound to many (maybe especially American people), churchgoing behavior, Christian paradigms and belief that existence does not end with death are not necessarily one and the same.

The magical man in the sky concept is totally bonkers and I cannot understand how anyone believes it.

Regarding believing in some kind of continuation of life post mortem, I think that there are countless different ways of conceiving of this, and I don't think it is in any way as crazy as the concept of a heavenly old-man god concept. Not at all.

I used to consider myself agnostic, because no one has any demonstrable evidence of life after death. Then I took ayahuasca and I believe absolutely that our bodies/brains do not contain and generate life. There's a hell of a lot more beyond our limited lives in these bodies. This is a nearly universal understanding of reality that people who have taken potent psychedelics hold (as well as people who are spiritual in a lot of different ways), and which is being studied seriously as a phenomenon now by Johns Hopkins University's Center for Psychedelic Studies.

I don't understand mothers who love their children unconditionally. It's a foreign concept to me,

Those who honestly and fervently believe there is an afterlife.

“Christians” who are judgmental, shallow, mean and violent. Those were all thing Jesus Christ was NOT. So how can you call yourself a follower of him?

Religion. All of them. It's so strange to me how we can be evolved in so many ways except this one. Religion was always a way to keep the masses in line...to scare them, to kill them because of. It was also a way that our ancestors tried to explain what they did not understand. We now understand so much about our world because of science. To me, those hanging onto their antiquated religious beliefs are the ones who are ignorant and/or scared of death. And it's ridiculous to claim your god is the only "real" god when you can so easily dismiss other gods throughout history and across cultures. Why should your god be more real than say, Zeus?

Parents who seem to love their children and would do anything for them. I grew up very differently than most I guess. My parents kicked all my siblings out at the slightest hint of disrespect or when they turned 18. Parents today have their grown ass kids living with them well into their 30's. I see my friends on Facebook posting about how they are sad when their kids leave home (if they do) and it makes zero sense to me. I also don't understand parents who help their kids financially. It was never an option in my life. I often wonder how my life would have been different if I wasn't born to narcissists.

Two things involving religion really bug me (these aren't the only things but these are two of the main things):

1. People who really try to follow their religion to every utmost detail, with no mind of thier own to think. 2. People who claim to be devout Christians, Hindus, Muslims, etc., who seem to not act religiously at all. I'm thinking of the "religious" types who are judgemental, act like whores, drink and smoke, slander and seek to destroy others. I have met so many Muslims who aren't religious at all--they drink, smoke, party all the time, cheat on their wives/girlfriends--but they consider themselves good Muslims because they refuse to eat pig products. LOL!

Suburban sprawl--one of the worst things America did was destroy parts of cities in favor of suburban growth.

r17 what are you on about? it doesn't make sense.

R58 as a Pagan, one of my favourite things to ponder is how much embarrassment Jesus would feel about Christians of today. I like to think he’d spurn 90% of them in shame.

He was actually a pretty cool cult hero. I don’t like what became of his cult, but I appreciate the legend of the man himself.

People cheating to get the vaccine before they are supposed to,

R62 The same people who are against the death penalty, don't think there is anything wrong with killing a baby during the mother's ninth month "It's her choice."

I don't understand why it was important for Princess Diana's car to outrun the paparazzi (as in the popular narrative, "they chased her to her death").

It was night, the car had tinted windows, and it was obviously going to go into a security garage at its destination. The worst they could do was get not very clear pictures. (If the car had slowed down and they had, BTW, there might have been a public outcry about the Princess not wearing her seat belt, which might have prevented her ever having such an accident.)

R65, you're a fucking troll. Most women don't get abortions 9 months into a pregnancy. You're an idiot.

R65 gets to lecture when she can justify being pro-fetus but giving ZERO FUCKS as soon as it slides out of the vagine.

r65 you are stupid. that is not a thing. nobody can get an abortion past 16 weeks unless there is a medically sound reason. go home and sleep it off.

[quote] Very much like religion. No logic to it—most people’s religion is whichever one they were raised in.

And yet they all insist their religion is the right one and everyone else is wrong.

OP, interesting thread. I dont get the extreme team adherence thing in sports either. In fact... I dont really get competitive sport in general. I'm not remotely competitive in any regard, and dont watch sport at all much, far rather be doing it myself. What sports I do (swimming, cycling, hiking and kayaking ocassionally) I do non-competitvely, just for enjoyment. I do watch motor sport now and then, and you get the same crazy team thing - here downunder it used to be Ford vs Holden, I never cared, I've owned examples of both, along with a Chrysler. As long as it has a V8 I dont care.

I also dont get the competitive striving for success thing either. I dont want the latest and/or best in anything, I just want what works for me. I have a 20 year old car and absolutely no desire for anything newer. Once I have a house that's big enough for me thats it, why have more than I need? Ditto re clothes and fashion, I dont even know what brands are currently on trend, I just look for camo and basic black because it doesnt show dirt

R10 So so true, I wish they had an awards thing on here so I could award your post like what they do on reddit. I've had a "troll thread queen" on a thread I made just the other day

Gays don't "get" team sports, professional or otherwise because gays are excluded from sports teams from early age. Many gay men excel at the individual sports...swimming, running, cycling because there is far less discrimination. Football, hockey, basketball and all the team sports require membership in a club where heterosexuality is requirement.

Religious intolerance: people who identify as christian and indicate they follow the teachings of Jesus, yet are indifferent to the poor and intolerant of people of whom they disapprove. If the Jesus described in the Bible was alive today, he would not be hanging out in some church potluck, but would be living on skid row in a tent with a sign. This unwillingness to see the contradiction is infuriating.

Likewise, people who are all in on "pro life" yet support the death penalty

I don't understand why in western societies we allow religious freedom overwrite human rights.

[quote] Gays don't "get" team sports, professional or otherwise because gays are excluded from sports teams from early age.

This is so true...for the most part. I've met some really flamboyant gays who participate in team sports like soccer, football, basketball, etc. I'm glad they made it but I'm also curious if they were ever teased a lot or made fun of during their younger years.

R74, I think that depends on the country.

The fact that most people live their whole lives without questioning anything. It seems like the de facto mode for most Americans. If you ever talk to these people, they tend to be the ones who acccuse anyone who challenges any consensus view as being "elitist".