Texas, California and Florida

OP the flaw with your reasoning is compliance or lack there of. Covid is a virus, viruses transmit when the host comes in contact an unaffected person. If there is no contact there is no transmission. Lockdown or not.

OP another flaw in your reasoning is data reporting. Many states, like Florida, hid their numbers and we'll never really know how many people got Covid, or died from it in those states. The states that have the highest numbers are also the states with the best reporting (except, it now looks like NY under Cuomo was playing around with their stats).

Then look at NY.

It was .2 with under reporting and huge restrictions.

R1 that is not a flaw that is the point. If there is no contact there is no transmission. Lockdowns make no difference.

I did everything they told me to do and the virus didn't go away.

Start by reviewing the basic facts of disease transmission please

the world needs to be vaccinated

The world needs another world war for the same reason we needed the last two.

Let's face it that even our most comprehensive lockdowns in the US weren't really lockdowns. We half-assed the whole pandemic as a nation.

We may find instead that all the asymptomatic transmission has gotten us a lot closer to herd immunity than we think + so many elderly people have already died so that it's not ravaging the elderly community so terribly anymore.

R3, it's easier for the disease to spread in highly populated urban areas. Duh.

Why aren't you complaining about South Dakota, a state with a huge death toll despite being rural?

R3, they worked in New Zealand and Australia

More proof that Communism doesn't go far enough.

R7 - The only reason God doesn’t bring another flood is that the first one didn’t accomplish anything.

You guys aren't taking things into consideration like demographics (African Americans are more vulnerable, don't compare a totally white area to ones with a large AA population) or population (more populated areas are more vulnerable) or % of people who take public transportation

The first part of what R8 said-- "lockdowns" haven't been lockdowns at all. Just one example in one of the strictest states: School opened, then closed, then opened, then closed. Everything has been open except work places (that can be done from home), in room dining, and some social gatherings (parades, fireworks, etc.)

That's not a "lockdown".

Furthermore, maybe half followed the rules. There were parties, weddings, holidays, vacations, etc., where half the population has continued on as if nothing is going on, as they have since day 1. You can thank them.

If OP wants to look, there's spikes immediately after every holiday and whenever the loosest of "lockdowns" were loosened. They shouldn't even have bothered with the label of "lockdowns" 🙄 -- they were lightly suggested restrictions.

They were lockdowns in the sense that they destroyed restaurants and other business.

Add Hispanic/Latinos in the mix- they are 55% percent of the cases in California. They are a huge part of our service industry- construction, housekeeping, sanitation, agricultural, etc.

What about Texas and Florida? Why don't they constitute at least as much in those states?

R15 yeah fucking right. Did you actually talk to restaurant owners? If anyone is going okay, it was them. They had the option of takeout, which all in my area did, with the only caveat being less capacity for indoor dining.

FFS OP, we couldn't even get the larger population to put on a basic, hacked together mask. It was just too much to ask. You think those dimwits, the same that went on leisurely vacations at the peak of it, were washing their hands religiously? HA! They couldn't even be bothered to give a basic sacrifice, if they just felt they had to go on vacay, to do the quarantine past a day. That's called a "lockdown"?

[quote] You guys aren't taking things into consideration like demographics (African Americans are more vulnerable, don't compare a totally white area to ones with a large AA population) or population (more populated areas are more vulnerable) or % of people who take public transportation

The demographic that was most vulnerable was poor people in urban centers. As there is significant overlap of racial and economic classifications, Blacks and Hispanics in urban centers suffered disproportionately. This was because they are a disproportionate share of the essential workers who could not lockdown in the safety of their own homes. Poor white people fared better because they don't have to live in dense urban areas -- they can live in the boondocks away from others.

Florida’s core cases were spreading in the densely populated areas, however you need to consider two variables here; the first is that tourism immediately took a nose dive so that helped prevent some of the spread.

The other variable is that in Florida we have urban sprawl. Nothing is really connected well and mass transit is not popular here for this reason.

Cities of equal population that are densely populated in a smaller area will have higher transmission rates because people are sharing mass transit, apartment buildings etc...

[quote] Many states, like Florida, hid their numbers

Is this verified or just assumed?

R21, ask the woman who was arrested for posting FL's REAL coronavirus numbers

All filled with narcissists and idiots who couldn’t follow the Yellow Brick Road if Dorothy and Elton John dragged them down it.

I’ll watch Taiwan, Korea, New Zealand. Even the bogans in Australia are less foolish than America.

I suspect that when this is over, there will be a lot of retrospective looks at what worked and what didn't. I'm guessing we, as a society, did a lot of things right, and a lot of things wrong.

The real shame is that this entire thing became politicized. Diseases don't care about politics. I wish we had learned that form the AIDS crises. There are still too many people in this country who are willing to use a crisis to try to gain political power. Beware of these people.

[quote] Is this verified or just assumed?

Both. It has been verified but whenever FL is concerned you can just assume and you will be right 99% of the time.

(Covid is not racist! It hit poorer, denser places harder than other regions because of, uh, the density inherent within urban centers. Similar to all airborne diseases.)

But we should have gone full New Zealand and really locked down. Not our half assed attempts. OR gone full Sweden and just accepted Covid as a death sentence to many in our population.

I'd pick the former, but I hate the middle ground we opted to do.