Get ready for backlash because of this guys TikTok

This is homophobia.

Straight men aren't attracted to other men, sexually or emotionally. This guy is an attention whore. Why else would he be on Tik Tok?

America, Land of the Delusional.

Just admit you're gay/bisexual, Joe.

What an idiot! Trying auguring that point with your girlfriend of wife and see how that goes down?

This isn't news.

Not that I agree with the idea, but there's always been men who have sex with men and don't consider themselves gay. I guess they separate the sex from the culture and stereotypes. We've all heard it - "I'm a normal guy; I like sports, not Broadway musicals. I don't care about interior design or fashion or pop divas."

Again, I don't agree with it, and obviously it's incredibly short sighted and ignorant of the variety of gay men. But, arguments like that have fueled the "I fuck men, but I'm not gay" idea for a long time.

Does he also think that vegans can eat meat and still be vegan?

He's a cute bear. Isn't he a little old for TikTok? I thought TikTok was for children not horny bears?

He seems like he just wants to fuck. If he wants to recruit "straight" men to fuck, there are better ways than TikTok.

This Donald Trump sounding dumb fuck...

Apparently, there is a designation for men like these called MSM (Men who have sex with men). I once read a post on the bodybuilding.org where the poster said that he could fuck a guy in the ass and not be gay. I think the issue here is mainly with bottoming. Greeks and Romans had the same thing. "Active" participant was not judged of their sexuality but a "passive" one was chastised. Or the "Bacha Baazi" in Afghanistan where grown men fuck young boys but don't have to deal with the stigma of homosexuality in their extremely homophobic society and culture. It always the bottoms who have to carry the weight, I guess.

I just don't buy it. I love "sex acts" too -but the thought of doing them with a woman gives me the heebie jeebies. I love to get blown, but imagining a woman doing it is an instant hard-on killer. I can understand bi guys. I can understand guys who identify as straight, but like to indulge from time to time. But come on! If you enjoy getting naked with other guys and making each other cum -you are NOT completely straight.

But in our current society, if a guy was to reveal to those around him (family, friends, coworkers) that he consistently fucked guys in the ass - possibly they wouldn't have a as negative of a reaction compared to if he was fucked in the ass, but but few of the people he told would think of him as "straight." Maybe "less gay" (compared to a bottom), but not straight.

Assuming that straight men exist (they don't), the thought of losing their men to the superior man-touch sends fraus into a vicious spiral of emotional violence that concludes with the infamous "pussywhipping", and not-yet-gay men aren't known for their emotional strength, so most of them end up carrying the "hetero" burden for life, never finding their Elysium (MSM).

His message is irritating but there is something too adorable about him! He’s cute in an almost asexual way, lol.

R14, Do you believe heterosexual women exist?

Do you further believe that, were it not for cultural pressure, all men would be with other men, solely?

Makes sense.

If a woman offered me a no strings blow job I would take it.

Lol@17. I wouldn’t.

He’s right though. I’ve bedded so many straight guys. One was a football player who didn’t even know any show tunes. One was a lacrosse player who has never seen Golden Girls. Straight guys are just less drama.

Straight men resort to gay sex in prison. Doesn’t mean they are gay.

He sounds like one of those 55 year old DataLoungers who claims to be hit on by 20 year olds every day.....

FAT GUY at the GYM talking about GAY SEX with straight men......oh yeah----100% a DataLounger........LoL

He's a straight guy? Sure, Jan.

All I see in that video is a sad, lost person with dead eyes, desperately trying to hang on to the ‘privilege’ of seeing himself as straight, while also craving dick.

Vegetarians can eat bacon and still be vegetarians!

Closeted guys need to have a way to rationalize what they do. We know it is bisexuality or Gaiety and so does everyone else.

Straight ‘Acting’ Gay Guys - Yes, there are a ton of them.

Oh dear.

[quote]He's a straight guy? Sure, Jan

I don't think he's talking about himself, he's a 'sex & relationship therapist".

He’s full of shit. Period.

I’ve had sexy with several guys who “weren’t gay,” even when I was cumming inside them. They walked out of my hotel with a nice wet hole, back to their “straight” lives. Mmhmm, Sure, Dan.

SEX, but “I’ve had sexy” sounds fun

This is way too complicated. I prefer the old way to tell if you are straight or gay. What sex makes you cum? Period...

Are there some men out there who are secretly gay/bi and enjoy gay sex? Yes. But they aren’t purely straight. They just don’t wanna admit otherwise. And they are a minority.

I’ve met the type. I used to know this man named Mark who would secretly shove huge dildos up his asshole etc. he was married with kids, and his wife a Christian.

He finally began getting fucked behind her back (until he finally left her so he can get railed without worrying about her) by their neighbors two gay sons, and eventually by others. He would eat their dicks like it was his final meal. He let me see a video.

But God forbid you called him gay/bi. That is what ended our relationship. He would suck dick and take cock daily, but if you called him gay it was the end of the world. He wasn’t a fag!!!! And he let me know and punched me for insinuating he wasn’t heterosexual

R33 I’ve cum inside women many times, but now stick with men. I’d still do a 3 way with a man and a woman, but certainly prefer men more than women.

R35 but that means you’re not fully gay. Some men are.

He looks like someone I would want to avoid in real life.

Nothing worse than asshole “therapists” who play out their problems using their patients as dolls to play with.

He’s making as much sense as Joe Biden.

R16, R14 is a joke.

That tiktok man has a PhD.

What are you, R36, the gay police?

If you’re getting erections from women and fucking them, you aren’t “gay” r42

You either suck dick, or you don't suck dick.

Do you give out gay diplomas, or just harass people informally, R43?

He’s gay and he’s been out since he was 14

He’s pushing an agenda on an app geared toward minors r46

He better hope parents don’t start seeing his posts.

What's up with his hair?

He's got that funny Detroit accent that makes me laugh/cringe.

That's just Ben Affleck trying to make up excuses for giving Matt Damon his pole.

R48, I wonder if it is a toope. The hairline seems to have no beginning or end.

[quote] People are already getting accusatory, saying he is spreading a gay agenda to kids on the app etc.

[quote] He’s pushing an agenda on an app geared toward minors [R46]

Why the homophobic responses? What decade are we in? Have either of these commenters been on TikTok?

There's plenty of happy gay people of all kinds and all ages on there.

I know this guy. He’s a gay sex therapist. It makes sense that he’s trying to be inclusive but this “straight man who has sex with men” is BS. The word is bisexual. So dumb.

This is one of DL's topics! I think it's possible. The guy in the video says 'attracted to the sex'. I would have used a different words. And he admits it could be part of a trajectory or path to discovering you're bi or gay.

R52 TT, like everywhere in the world, has a good 90% straight people, 10% gay people.

R44, some men who have sex with men never suck D

If he could convince the Incels to have sex with each other while still claiming straight instead of killing women and joining hate groups he’d be doing the world a favor.

I’m not gay! I’m not gay!

Never use the word “gay” with mostly straight bros

Ugh, I agree he's full of shit. Truly straight guys don't want to have sex with men. When I was single, I'd hook up sometimes with these types. I love women, but I like to have sex with men. I'm straight. After asking them targeted questions, I'd find out they hadn't had sex with their wives or girlfriends for usually years. But the last time hey had sex with a guy? Last week. Uh huh, you're straight though. Got it.

I don't know her and I don't bloody care one bit. Bbyee....

As long as the straight man is 100% top, doesn't kiss or suck the bottom's puny cocklet - he is totally straight. A hole is a hole.

Some people’s brains are mysterious, stupid and in DENIAL!

He's right. I think the reasons why some men have sex with men while identifying straight are very varied, he has a point. And it would be very naive to assume that all G4P performers are in denial about their sexuality. Sexual orientation is more than just with whom you have sex, albeit that plays certainly a big part.

*but he has a point.

^^^

Most men view “gay” as scary and contrary to being a man. As long as gay identity is associated with effeminancy, most men will steadfastly avoid it.

No one cares. It’s 2021.

I’m not taking anyone with a PhD that’s shaped like a square garden gnome seriously. So fug

I believe there are straight guys who are curious, try out gay sex a few times, then go back to the vag because they prefer it. Being "curious" and "experimenting" are legit. But once you call yourself a "straight man who has sex with men" you are no longer curious, your bisexual. It doesn't matter whether you top or bottom, or whether or not you suck dick. If you are having sex with other guys, and plan to keep on doing it, you are not straight!

Maybe this is partly our fault. IF we didn't insist that there is no such thing as "bi" and that those guys are just closeted gay men, these MSM types wouldn't be so afraid of the bi label. And who needs labels anyway? If a guy is hot and willing, I don't care how he self-identifies.

I'll take "People You Meet in a Steam Room" for $200, Alex

Straight guys have sex in prison all the time. Not gay

But if they continue to do it when they are out of prison, are they gay??

I’ve slept with married men who didn’t consider it cheating because they were with a guy and not a woman. I really didn’t give a fuck as long as the sex was good.

It's simple--iIf you enjoy having sex with men, you are either bi or gay. That's it.

Muslim guys have sex with other guys because they can’t have sex with girls before marriage.

Who is the idiot who keeps bringing up Prison? Surely they know that’s not the same...

It’s the same r76

It’s not the same. They have sex with other men because they’re trapped there for years with ONLY MEN.

And most don’t willingly have sex like you see on TV. That’s a MYTH.

Oh my god, all these labels! People fighting like they’re on sports teams! Let’s just Orgy!

R78 is , who is convinced all hot men are straight, even if they have gay sex.

Troll-dar reveals him to be , not just accusing to be accusing.

All I know is I'm a Kinsey 7 (yes, I know the scale only goes up to six) and if I were trapped for years on a desert island with nothing but women I still couldn't bring myself to have sex with them. The point of the scale is that it's a continuum, not a hard and fast label that someone is this way or that. Some guys are 1s and solidly hetero. I'm on the other end, completely gay. Does it really matter what we call the guys in the middle?

If you’re having sex with men, youre GAY

"I’ve cum inside women many times, but now stick with men. I’d still do a 3 way with a man and a woman, but certainly prefer men more than women."

R35, You are delusional. How the fuck are you fully gay? How would there be one standard for a straight guy fucking men and a gay guy fucking women. That deluded like the married guy who hooks up with guys and swears he's still straight. A gay guy hooking up with women, after he says he guy is the same thing. Don't be hypocritical. If you would still do a three way with a woman and what? Fuck her? Dude, please stop saying you're gay. You are NOT!!

He’s an idiot

Why do high-school educated adults find this idea worth debating? It's obvious what the PhD in the bad hairpiece is doing. He's trying to normalize MSM by claiming it isn't "gay." This is both homophobic and doesn't get to the heart of the matter why any of this is a concern in the first place.

The concern is that 'gay' is now used as a form of social control. Gay-shaming, excluding gay-identified men from social goods like jobs, promotions, relationships, etc. That is the reason men can't be honest about their same-sex attraction. There is a good chance they will be ostracized if they admit to same-sex attraction.

The solution therefore is to make sure that being attracted to men is considered normal - for those who are interested - and is without social consequence. Hell if I know how, but this doublespeak about how you can be Straight - which is clearly presented here as the normal, preferred and desired state - and have sex with men, is intellectual garbage.

"Straight" men who have sex with men are called "Bi", not "Straight". Just FYI. This isn't rocket science.

It's not uncommon for straight black guys to meet after church for some action on the Down Low.

DIAGF, TikTok troll!!!

So this a thread, in one guise or another, that come up every few weeks of DL. It will never be resolved because of a a resolute DL tautology: if you have sex with men you are not straight. If you have sex with women, you are not gay. And if you're bisexual you are damaged.

The DL Mind would conclude that everything you know about sexuality and sexual and affectional orientation now is also true in all places, in all cultures, in all persons throughout history.

While Kinsey was also a man limited by his time, culture, and personal psychology, he did contribute that sexual orientation was more fluid than the current understanding would suggest - and that a person's sexuality could also be situational, conditional.

That makes sense to me... matches my experience.

What a sad little creature.

[quote] if you have sex with men you are not straight.

Correct

[quote] If you have sex with women, you are not gay.

Yes

[quote] And if you're bisexual you are damaged.

No.

He thinks in black + white. When people hear the word 'gay' they think of two clones named Adam & Steve, restoring a Queen Anne Victorian home and adopting an Asian baby.

Most people are attracted to both sexes to some degree. Case closed.

I think he's talking about guys who aren't ever "romantically attracted" to other men but are open sexually to other guys or, at least, to specific kinds of guys.

They're down for sex but just don't ever have feelings towards men like they do women. I agree that it is very much a thing that exists but to say it's totally NOT bisexuality is overly simplifying it. It's not that they're repressing anything, they're just more similar to straight guys and don't get romantic feelings towards men

It's still a VERSION OF BISEXUALITY, imo.

R89 Fossil. Of course Kinsey makes sense if you are 2000 years old.

R95 No, Plato makes sense if you are 2000 years old.

Uh huh

Holy gay voice! Btw, , why are you so obsessed with straight guys?

Look, if you can identify as any gender in spite of your genitals, actions, dress, manner, etc., then people can identify as any orientation no matter who they sleep with or marry.

Non, unironically R99. Why be schizo about it?

Any kind of shit can be seen on TikTok. It is not educational, just a lot of nitwits craving attention and trying to show-off.

"then people can identify as any orientation no matter who they sleep with or marry."

How can people just be so outright dishonest?

R38, Your adjective usage is fabulous.

How do you fast forward to a certain time stamp on this stupid app?

BI sexual at least.

r102 All I'm saying is people should be consistent. You can't support self-determination of gender identity no matter what and not do the same for sexual orientation.

Your orientation should be not be aspirational or your idealized self, it should line up with the actual life you're living. It's what you are not what you want to be.

r107 Ok, so are you willing to say the same for gender identity?

Sure am

He’s a therapist ? He radiates unhappiness.

Pathetic.

Experimenting is one thing, making a habit of doing something is totally different.

Through the years I've surmised that str8 guys were getting a whole lot more mansex than gay men were.

He is homophobic. Pushing the idea that men can be straight if they have sex with other men, is basically saying that being straight is not only the default, but the best way to be. There's no other reason to support what this guy is saying, unless you think being straight is better, otherwise what's the point? Why would men avoid the label gay or bi, unless they think there's something wrong with being either?