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Lesbian women talk about meeting ‘transbians’ on women-only dating sites

Remember ‘Lisa’ from the cult TV series The L Word? Played to comedic effect, Lisa claimed to be a “lesbian-identified man.” It seems the show’s creators were visionary, today every lesbian dating app and meet-up group will include men who claim to be lesbians, sometimes referred to as ‘transbians.’ The writers of The L Word could not have predicted that over a decade on, lesbians would be pressured to accept male transbians as sexual partners.

If there is one thing that unites lesbians aside from loving women and liking IKEA, it is their dislike of cock. Being fragile and emotional creatures, men aren’t always robust enough to cope with rejection; consequently, generations of female same sex couples have had to find witty retorts to creepy men offering to ‘turn them.’ Today, such objectionable fellas can claim to be ‘transbians’ and enjoy an all-access pass to women’s on and offline spaces.

In 2019 grassroots activist group Get The L Out conducted research into this woke new take on age old male entitlement. Findings showed that 56 per cent of the lesbians surveyed reported that they had been “pressured or coerced into accepting a transwoman as a sexual partner.” Experiences ranged from being duped into going on dates with males who identified as ‘transbians’ to rape. It should be noted that only a small minority of men who identify as lesbians have had any surgery or taken any steps towards ‘transition’ beyond changing clothes and pronouns.

When I asked for women to get in touch with examples of transbians on women-only dating apps, I was expecting a handful of responses; little did I know that within just a few hours I would be inundated by messages from women desperate to share their stories of being harassed, shamed and expelled from lesbian communities.

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The first to contact me was Lucy Masoud, a former firefighter and trade unionist based in London, who “after being single for a while” decided to try a dating app called Hinge. Hinge markets itself as helping users find meaningful relationships rather than casual flings. The app proudly claims to “use a Nobel-Prize winning algorithm to help you zero in on the right person for you.”

Lucy explains: “At first all was well, and I enjoyed using the app. I matched with a few people and formed some good connections. The app was a great way to connect with people during lockdown. I even managed to get myself a few social distanced dates.”

Having had problems with other apps, Lucy was careful to select the “woman seeking woman” option. This was so she “would only see profiles of other women who had selected the same.”

But despite this Lucy was “shown profiles of trans women and men who identified as non-binary or gender fluid. There were also a large number of profiles of heterosexual couples who wanted threesomes with another woman.”

Frustrated by attention from biological men and straight couples, Lucy updated her profile “to let users know that I was only seeking other females.” She changed it to read “all I ask is, that you are on time, that you don’t judge me for watching Love Island, and that you are a biological female”.

Lucy says: “I did not think what I had written was at all controversial, it would save people wasting their time trying to match with me if they were not female.”

Hinge disagreed. Much to her dismay Lucy recalls:

“Within days of me editing my profile I received a message from Hinge to say that I had been permanently banned from the app. I immediately contacted Hinge to ask why they had taken this action, and was quickly informed it was because I had breached their terms and conditions in respect to ‘offensive content’. I instantly knew it was due to my stating that I was only interested in females. There was absolutely nothing inappropriate on my profile that could be deemed ‘offensive’, apart from my comment about only wanting to meet females.”

For Lucy, such intolerance is reminiscent of the prejudice of earlier decades:

“As a black lesbian who grew up in the 80s, our community were fighting for basic human rights, to be told in 2020 that I was no longer allowed to only want to date females, is beyond disturbing.”

Hinge were contacted for comment but no response was forthcoming.

by Anonymousreply 102/19/2021

The problem of men who identify as transgender appearing as matches for lesbians is not just restricted to the UK. Within an hour of asking on Twitter I was contacted by women in Switzerland, New Zealand, Ireland, the US and Netherlands. Lucia got in touch to share her experiences of online dating in Spain.

Lucia used the lesbian dating app Wapa, which is for meeting people and flirting. She explains: “Every time a transgender person tried to contact me I was extremely polite and I replied that I was not interested.”

Lucia only wanted to date women. Because of this she was thrown off Wapa:

“They would never admit I didn’t want to chat because they were not interesting, they would say I was a transphobic bigot… so every fucking time, every fucking time, the rejected person complained”.

Another lesbian user of Hinge from the UK told me: “I am always coming across trans women on these sites, as a lesbian I’m not interested and there should be a way I can filter this out (respectfully). It is bizarre that I can filter based on someone’s height or star sign but not on sex which is fundamental to my sexual orientation.”

It should be noted that it is not just men who identify as transbians that plague the women-only sections of dating sites and apps; a number of women reported being contacted by ordinary heterosexual men who don’t claim to be anything other than male.

Once one might have expected the lesbian and gay press to be outraged by the sexual harassment of lesbians. But instead, from Autostraddle to Allure lesbians are advised to get over their inconvenient dislike of penis. Helpful articles such as “How to Have Lesbian Sex With a Trans Woman” and “Sex With Trans Women 101: A Guide for Queer Cis Women” give tips on dealing with ‘girl dick.’

Ultimately, there is no way to tell whether the transbians who lurk on lesbian dating sites genuinely believe themselves to be women or if they are porn-fuelled fetishists on a power trip. Their motivations don’t matter, what does is that their presence in lesbian communities is having a devastating impact on women’s right to exclusively love other women. Today under the guise of inclusivity the right of abusive men to erode women’s sexual boundaries is facilitated by dating apps and coded into the guidelines of digital communities. Lesbians looking for love online face a stark choice; they can step into the rainbow closet of ‘girl dick’ and ‘transbians’ or close the door on the online world.

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by Anonymousreply 202/19/2021

Any man who would rather be a woman than fuck other men is self-hating.

by Anonymousreply 302/19/2021

It's true though. I can go online now and even picking "woman seeking woman," I get quite a few men popping up in my search.

I haven't put up any language saying "only females," but it gets old trying to tell transwomen no all the time.

by Anonymousreply 402/19/2021

Homophobia is the new Progressive

by Anonymousreply 502/19/2021

Aubrey the lesbian

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by Anonymousreply 602/19/2021

Brian the lesbian

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by Anonymousreply 702/19/2021

Homosexuality is not a choice. Men are not women.

by Anonymousreply 802/19/2021

This will ultimately end badly for these apps. And that will be hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 902/19/2021

Amazing how the world has yet found another way to have men bully women.

by Anonymousreply 1002/19/2021

R9 no sign of that happening and, in fact, all apps will be required to remove sex categories if the “Equality” Act passes.

by Anonymousreply 1102/19/2021

R10, disappointing, but unsurprising. Can’t they just fight among themselves, or just find something better to do?

Now that we’re talking about it: has there ever been a period, anywhere on Earth in known recorded history, where men weren’t in some way trying to systemically bully women? Struggling to come up with one, and I’ve studied history.

by Anonymousreply 1202/19/2021

F&F.

by Anonymousreply 1302/19/2021

[quote]generations of female same sex couples have had to find witty retorts to creepy men offering to ‘turn them.’

I can’t imagine what this must be like.

It takes a great deal of entitlement to tell someone who they should or shouldn’t be with or to pressure someone into doing something they don’t want to do. We’ve come a long way... in the US there were sodomy laws, anti-miscegenation laws that made interracial marriages illegal, gay marriage was illegal, slaves & former slaves couldn’t be legally married, spousal rape was legal until the early 90s... individual states are slowly outlawing child marriage but it’s an uphill battle... people have fought long and hard for the right to be with (or without) whomever they choose, anyone with the nerve to tell someone that they should partner with a certain sex, race, religion or gender identity or that they need to examine their preferences for any reason can fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 1402/19/2021

I've died and gone to a [italic]MAD TV[/italic] sketch.

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by Anonymousreply 1502/19/2021

Why does everyone have to be so fucking exclusionary, if the lesbian men want to join the group let them , I swear we need to return to preschool rules where everyone is welcome in which every play group they want to join.

by Anonymousreply 1602/19/2021

Are you serious, R16? The problem is that these apps *do* let "lesbian men" join, and it's causing enormous trouble for the women who don't want to date males. Why don't the women have the right to filter out people they're not interested in without incurring transbian fury and often banning?

by Anonymousreply 1702/19/2021

R11 As much as these things have become a part of our lives (well, not mine, but for many), after waves and waves of bad experiences, people will abandon them if it gets that bad. It could even lead to a rise/revival of old school bar culture, of sorts.

by Anonymousreply 1802/19/2021

r18, you do realize that lesbian bars would be as full of men as these ostensibly lesbian apps are, right? And that these women would now be put into physical danger by having to share physical spaces with these psychos?

by Anonymousreply 1902/19/2021

Gays are going to have to go back to having secret parties, clandestine and hidden, as if they’re doing something wrong by not wanting the opposite sex around.

by Anonymousreply 2002/19/2021

R19 The pre-tense that obvious autogynephiles are trans, and have the legal right to protection under a group they're not ACTUALLY a part of is an insult to everyone in those groups, including the owners and patrons of these spaces.

Even if admitted, they'll be ignored, and iced out by other patrons. And if they try anything more aggressive or actually succeed at assaulting one or more of these women, they'll be dealt with & arrested. At least they would be if I were the owner.

I for one hope that this "Equality" Act fails. At least those portions of it. That we've come to this point is mind-boggling. They really are opening things up to the Jessica Yanivs of the world.

by Anonymousreply 2102/19/2021

I don't care about trans women being on there, they're women. I *hate* the number of couples and men though.

by Anonymousreply 2202/19/2021

It is a worrying trend and needs to be countered. A lot of this new phenomenon of telling people that being gay or lesbian is just having a gential preference and that people need to transcend it is creepy ,bullying and frankly strikes me as another desperate logic defying argument dreamt up by people who cant get laid trying to explain away and justify peoples lack of attraction to them and trying to bully them into having sexual relations with them regardless.

by Anonymousreply 2302/19/2021

[quote] "The pre-tense'

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 2402/19/2021

[quote] "The pre-tense'"

Goddammit. There.

by Anonymousreply 2502/19/2021

LOL!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 2602/19/2021

Speaking of R23's logic-defying arguments, lately i've been the online lust object of several very, very large men, all bottoms. They send me butthole selfies of the widest, lumpiest asses you've ever seen. Then they badger me when I ignore them after my single brief, "No thank you." This has happened several times lately. There does seem to be this weird entitled thing going on.

by Anonymousreply 2702/19/2021

All lesbian groups/spaces/events have been decimated by these men. And, to my eternal shame, we gay men did nothing to help. But, make no mistake, this madness is coming for gay men as well, just slower.

by Anonymousreply 2802/19/2021

r28 But society seems to be starting to wake up and pushing back massively.

by Anonymousreply 2902/19/2021

Most "woke" hetero people see us (gay men and probably lesbians too) as an amusing social experiment, they don't give a shit about us. So things like this are likely to escalate, mostly in order to entertain heteros, most of whom more or less see us as subhuman.

by Anonymousreply 3002/19/2021

r30 But it is arguably a threat to all women and their rights and not just lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 3102/19/2021

Majority middle class hetero women who have kids and live in suburbs are not threatened by this and don't give a shit.

by Anonymousreply 3202/19/2021

r32, that's not true at all when you have Buffalo Bill in the changing room at Nordstrom and on Mackenzie's swimming team.

by Anonymousreply 3302/19/2021

This stunning specimen is a moderator on a lesbian dating app.

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by Anonymousreply 3402/19/2021

We should round up these freaks and put them in detention camps for all our safety. Let's start with Manchelle.

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by Anonymousreply 3502/19/2021

omg @ r34

Does anybody want that guy in their bathroom?

by Anonymousreply 3602/19/2021

[quote] Why does everyone have to be so fucking exclusionary, if the lesbian men want to join the group let them , I swear we need to return to preschool rules where everyone is welcome in which every play group they want to join.

Exclusionary? They're the ones excluding other men from their dating pool.

by Anonymousreply 3702/19/2021

This has happened to me numerous times.

R28, thanks for caring about us.

by Anonymousreply 3802/19/2021

KARMA

Sorry ladies. Remember when you went after every single male-only college, club, organization, gym in the country? And you took it away in the name of “equality”?

Kinda sucks not having your own spaces, doesn’t it? No pity from me .

by Anonymousreply 3902/19/2021

[quote] Remember when you went after every single male-only college, club, organization, gym in the country?

No because that didn’t happen.

by Anonymousreply 4002/19/2021

Yikes! I haven't been on any apps in about six years due to finding dick that happen to sit down next to me one night out with friends.

I can't imagine dealing with this. Can you block them and move on? Provide no response and zap?

by Anonymousreply 4102/19/2021

What's with all the cutesy selfies in public toilets?

by Anonymousreply 4202/19/2021

r42 they like showing that they've invaded women's previously safe spaces like the rapists they are.

by Anonymousreply 4302/19/2021

Manchelle seems to hang out in the potty room a lot, perhaps she's waiting for that period to come and slither down her leg.

by Anonymousreply 4402/19/2021

The LGB Alliance now has an American chapter!

LGB Alliance USA

by Anonymousreply 4502/19/2021

^^It's on Twitter. So glad someone started this.

by Anonymousreply 4602/19/2021

Gay men need to join LGB and do it loudly and proudly. Talking about it here isn't going to help much.

They also need to publicly boycott that app. People just don't believe this is happening to lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 4702/19/2021

They have a site, too, but have spending most of their energy getting Lesbian And Gay News up and running.

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by Anonymousreply 4802/19/2021

The news site:

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by Anonymousreply 4902/19/2021

I love Julie Bindel. Totally fearless, fair, logical, measured.

by Anonymousreply 5002/19/2021

If you’re a lesbian and you don’t want to suck a “lady dick” you are committing literal violence on the stunning and brave transbians like Brileigh of R34. You owe them!

by Anonymousreply 5102/19/2021

“Transbians.” What a bunch of assholes.

by Anonymousreply 5202/19/2021

Women having sexual boundaries is now considered a hate crime by supposed liberals.

by Anonymousreply 5302/19/2021

How does it feel ladies when men invade your spaces??? You've been doing it to men so long, now enjoy the payback.

by Anonymousreply 5402/19/2021

I'm old enough to remember in the 1980's when women journalists pushed their way into men's sports locker rooms. Men lost their right to even shower and walk around nude in their own locker room because women demanded access to absolutely everywhere in society. So the feminists can fucking pound sand. You started this shit.

by Anonymousreply 5502/19/2021

Back when I used to go to gay bars, I hated the presence of females there. They pushed their way in screaming about equality. Now the show is on the other foot, suck it bitches.

by Anonymousreply 5602/19/2021

R56 we heard you the first time.

by Anonymousreply 5702/19/2021

r57, I have r56 blocked so thankfully I hear nothing he says.

by Anonymousreply 5802/19/2021

then stop posting this anti-trans shit. Women did to males 10X the invasive shit the trans are doing to women.

by Anonymousreply 5902/19/2021

R59 that is simply not true. Blocking you which seems to be a pattern for you troll.

by Anonymousreply 6002/19/2021

And r59 wonders why NO ONE will ever fuck him!

by Anonymousreply 6102/19/2021

Gay & Lesbian or Lesbian & Gay sounds and looks so much better than LGBTQIAI2S+ or whatever the current bullshit acronym consists of. I've always like Lesbigay because it rolls off the tongue so well...and we both like rolling things with our tongues.

by Anonymousreply 6202/19/2021

LGB Alliance also has an IG

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by Anonymousreply 6302/19/2021

So, R59 admits these trans creeps are doing ‘invasive shit’ to women. It has got to stop. Men pretending to be women simply does not wash—they invariably look hideously ugly. Genuine transsexuals I have no problem with. Men in frocks pretending to be women to get access to women is twisted and needs to stop.

by Anonymousreply 6402/19/2021

r64 how are you defining "genuine transsexual"?

by Anonymousreply 6502/19/2021

Ray Blanchard identified two subsets within the population of men who could be diagnosed with gender dysphoria:

HSTS: homosexual transsexuals, i.e. the gay genocide group, consisting of gay men who had internalized homophobia. Think: "Laverne" Cox

&

AGPS: Autogynephilic fetishists, i.e. the serial killer "transbian" group, heterosexual men who are consumed by sexual obsession with imagining themselves as women, often with fixations on women's bodily functions. Think: Bruce Jenner, Richard Ramirez, Jonathan Yaniv, "Jennifer" Pritzker, "Martine" Rothblatt, Ted Kaczynski, Ed Gein

by Anonymousreply 6602/19/2021

It's not going to stop. Biden just signed an Executive Order guaranteeing 4 more years at least of trans agenda. And in many Western developed countries and acrioss the muslim world they are legal women with the same rights as real women. Feminists brought this on themselves.

by Anonymousreply 6702/20/2021

R65 transsexuals are those that actually undergo gender reassignment. On the other hand, a great proportion of those calling themselves “trans” aren’t serious, they just do their hair like a woman, throw on a dress and slap on some makeup and call themselves a ‘woman’. It’s like toddlers dressing in their mother’s clothes. Frankly, such people clearly don’t have enough real problems in their lives. If they did they wouldn’t have time for this play acting shit.

by Anonymousreply 6802/20/2021

I've tried speaking to the straight women at work about this and they have no idea what's going on and don't particularly care. It's hitting the lesbian and feminist groups now but it's slowly going to increase and I wonder at what point there will be a push back on a bigger scale. Or is it just going to be a lesbian issue with straight women looking the other way in the guise of "being kind"?

by Anonymousreply 6902/20/2021

r69, the Democrats are pushing the EA to the floor this coming week. Other than right wing outlets doing the right thing for the wrong reason and independent sites run by feminists, there is a complete media blackout about what the EA will do to GLB and women's rights. You have to keep talking to them. We all do. And we need to be contacting our reps. In a matter of days, sex-based rights will be gone from federal law in the US.

by Anonymousreply 7002/20/2021

[R70], Thanks for the support. I'm one of the older employees at work so I have to watch out that I'm not seen as some aging socio/ political harpie. What annoys me is that all the young women (20 - 35) have this thing that they seems themselves as feminists but that we have to do the whole rainbows and unicorns thing and let anyone do whatever they want to do and be whoever they want to be, 'cos it's all about love, right? Any critical thinking is classified as "negative" and immediately dismissed.

It drives me nuts and it's so hard to get any alternative message through.

by Anonymousreply 7102/20/2021

The people at the linked site often have suggestions for how to break through to LibFems. Most of the people there are lesbians who have been kicked off Twitter, etc. for posting about the attack on women's rights. There are also straight and bi radfems, a handful of gender critical gay men, some nutters and a few invading troons who are usually quickly banned.

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by Anonymousreply 7202/20/2021

[quote] Feminists brought this on themselves.

Sure they did, you revisionist fuck.

For trolls such as R67 and others, women, one way or another, are to blame.

by Anonymousreply 7302/20/2021

For anyone interested in the subject of trans and the changing face of women's rights, UK activist and mother Kellie Jay Keen (AKA Posey Parker) has been speaking out about it for a few years now. Her YT channel is yet to be banned and she has some informative guests as well as interesting perspectives. Great to have on in the background during these working from home times.

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by Anonymousreply 7402/20/2021

r74, she needs to stop talking about American politics until she takes the time to actually learn something about American politics.

I prefer Karen Davis:

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by Anonymousreply 7502/20/2021

If I were a lesbian, I’d be FURIOUS if I had these ugly AF men coming for me.

WTF. Being a lesbian does NOT mean you wanna date Peter Frampton.

And as a straight chick, let me just say that these dudes are delusional, as they try for straight women too, and would probably fuck your pets and kids if you let them. They are usually fucked up criminals who will sexually assault anyone that they can get.

It’s disgusting and it has been happening for MANY years. I have plenty of lesbian and or bi girlfriends in LA, and I cannot tell you how many men have retorted with the “I’m a lesbian in a man’s body”, the minute they’re told that they’re the wrong sex.

Straight men are just fucking gross, and it isn’t easy to find a decent one, trust me.

Fucking sick fucks. Constantly bothering women and bullying them. This is why it’s easier to be alone with a vibrator than to put up with any of this shit.

by Anonymousreply 7602/20/2021

I think this situation is going to get bad enough that women and male allies are going to have to stage a full national strike, including unpaid labor like childcare and the het women going Lysistrata, until Biden's EO (and the likely to pass EA) are revoked.

by Anonymousreply 7702/20/2021

Too fucking bad you disgusting stink fish. These guys are heroes for the shit-kicking they are giving feminists. It is HILARIOUS!

by Anonymousreply 7802/20/2021

Unfortunately, R77, I think that's going to happen just in time for the 2022 elections and it's going to be used against the Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 7902/20/2021

r79, then maybe the Democrats shouldn't be pushing anti-gay and anti-women policies.

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by Anonymousreply 8002/20/2021

"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party who ignores her sex." - Susan B. Anthony

by Anonymousreply 8102/20/2021

Fuck off, R78. No one cares about anything you have to say, and I’d bet good money on you being a straight man.

by Anonymousreply 8202/20/2021

I agree, R80. Think we'll all do better under the Repugs? See the problem.

by Anonymousreply 8302/20/2021

r83, right now, the Republicans are the only ones willing to admit that sexual orientation exists, that sex exists, that men are not women. Frankly, their brand of conversion therapy is a lot less damaging than the Frankensteining and neutering and mindfucking the regressives are mandating. So, unfortunately, given an option between only those two, there's no way I could vote for another Dem who has given a loyalty oath to the Trans Industry or, frankly, who subscribes to any of the IdPol totalitarianism that has destroyed liberalism in the West. And I know many people who feel the same way.

by Anonymousreply 8402/20/2021

Oh, bullshit, R84. Plenty of democrats see the issues that are apparent in the trans community.

IDGAF how angry people get when I say that I’m a democrat, and I know that men cannot become biological women, and women cannot become biological men. The only exception are intersexed individuals, who are born with BOTH female and male reproductive organs or some variation thereof.

I have zero issues with people who are trans, but please, understand that identifying as a woman or a man just because you had surgery and hormones, you aren’t the opposite sex of your biological sex.

Those are FACTS and science. Those aren’t hateful assertions, nor is it a transphobic statement. Obviously, this thread wouldn’t exist, otherwise.

Lesbians do not want to date men with long hair or bottom surgery. Gay men do not want to date men with a vagina, and straight people do not want to date same sex people.

Sexuality beats mindset EVERY time, no matter what.

You cannot think your way into attraction to another. It’s either there, or it isn’t.

by Anonymousreply 8502/20/2021

r85, that's not true at all. The last time the EA was introduced, the Dems voted for it unanimously. Can you name a single Democrat who has spoken up against trans policies? No. Because not a single one has.

by Anonymousreply 8602/20/2021

R85, that's the problem. Democratic voters are on the same page as you. Democratic politicians have lost their damn minds pandering to the trans loons. Wonder how well the Democrats are going to do flushing their female base down the toilet to get the votes of .01% of society. Stupid fucks always pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory. Ironically, it will be Trump's Supreme Court assholes who will strike this shit down. Of course, they'll take all our hard won gay rights down, too. So, Democrats shit on women and gays for insane straight men. Sounds like a winning fucking strategy.

by Anonymousreply 8702/20/2021

The Biden Admin, Pelosi, Schumer, the AOC authoritarians, all of them have doubled down and vowed allegiance to a virulently homophobic, misogynist dogma, as sponsored by Big Pharma and Bio-Tech Billionaires. I will not make common cause with any group intent upon denying me basic human rights and no self-respecting person would. Unless and until the Dems roundly disavow gender ideology and actually take action to reverse the harms they have already caused with these genocidal, femicidal policies, they have lost me as a voter and they will continue to lose gays and lesbians, women, people of color, liberals with daughters and gay children, and all former party members who know that biology is real. They must think the cash grab is going to be worth losing the majority of their base.

by Anonymousreply 8802/20/2021

[quote] What annoys me is that all the young women (20 - 35) have this thing that they seems themselves as feminists but that we have to do the whole rainbows and unicorns thing and let anyone do whatever they want to do and be whoever they want to be, 'cos it's all about love, right? Any critical thinking is classified as "negative" and immediately dismissed.

Most, not all, R71. We’re out there, believe me.

by Anonymousreply 8902/20/2021

[quote] Straight women have no idea what's going on and don't particularly care. It's hitting the lesbian and feminist groups now but it's slowly going to increase and I wonder at what point there will be a push back on a bigger scale. Or is it just going to be a lesbian issue with straight women looking the other way in the guise of "being kind"?

Deep down, hetero women only give a real damn if it affects their kids or their DH. To get them to care enough to vote and protest would have to involve pushing the ped0 and pr0n angles of transgenderism.

It would be an ugly business; but then, it already is, isn’t it?

by Anonymousreply 9002/20/2021

[quote] Can you name a single Democrat who has spoken up against trans policies?

Tulsi Gabbard.

by Anonymousreply 9102/20/2021

[quote] Ms Exton says the app is always [bold]on guard against men trying to sign up[/bold]. The business estimates that [bold]15% of people trying to join are men pretending[/bold] to be women. [bold]To prevent this, all users have to verify their gender[/bold] by signing up through their Facebook or Instagram accounts, while Her has other checking mechanisms in place, and [bold]genuine users are "fast to report people that don't respect[/bold] the community". - BBC new in 2016

This crazy lesbian Her App on twitter is as usual fanatically defending criminally fugly men in dress and shouting fuck you to women/lesbians daring to call them out. But it should be cancelled with death threats because in 2016 (quoted above), it proudly claimed to be against the same kind it's now defending: bbc.com/news/business-36202226

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by Anonymousreply 9202/20/2021

[quote] The LGB Alliance now has an American chapter!

They’re anti-gay. They came out against marriage equality. Kindly fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 9302/20/2021

Another Boomer troll-tested thread. F&F.

by Anonymousreply 9402/20/2021

Another Boomer troll-infested thread. F&F.

by Anonymousreply 9502/20/2021

[quote] They’re anti-gay. They came out against marriage equality. Kindly fuck off.

Liar. LGB Alliance was founded in 2019, well past marriage equality decisions in both the US and UK. It’s an org made up of actual gay men and lesbian women.

If you’re going to lie, at least try to make it plausible.

by Anonymousreply 9602/20/2021

R20, that's exactly what some feminist, women-only groups have to do now. You have to be vouched for and verified as female, and the meetings are "underground"; not publicized and not discussed with non-members. Because women going to these meetings will be harassed and blocked, or even attacked. I can think on three examples in the UK off the top of my head. Here's one, reported by pro-trans Pink News.

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by Anonymousreply 9702/20/2021

I meant "think of," not "think on," clearly.

by Anonymousreply 9802/20/2021

R28, R38, what specifically could gay men have done to save lesbian organizations from being transjacked? In reality, very little, since I expect that gay men's input would not have been terribly welcome in a lesbian organization. My city had a LGB then T organization. About 2014 or so, the T demanded wildly disproportionate representation in decision making, on the board, and as the public face of the organization - eventually the entire place was run - and run over - by various flavors of trans.

Shrill public demands a la ACT UP for dedicated services for trans sex workers of color - of which there are maybe 5 or 6 in the state - and a general mien of drama and conflict about trans, trans, trans. Then everybody fled, donors first. Now we don't have an organization; and I doubt now that we are living in another gilded age of people who live through their cellphones that there are financial and psychic resources to bring one together again.

by Anonymousreply 9902/20/2021

r97 Whorephobic ? Are these bitches serious?

by Anonymousreply 10002/20/2021

Thanks for the reminder, R70. I've just written to my Representative.

by Anonymousreply 10102/20/2021

R99, if you go back in history, it was gay men in the 1970s who brought the trannies in and lesbians who have been saying NO to that since then. It’s also Jon Stryker, a gay man, via his homicidal octopus foundation Arcus which is funding and strategizing most of the trans colonization. What’s already been done, cannot be changed. Gay men need to start speaking up and organizing against this and with lesbians today, now.

by Anonymousreply 10202/20/2021

Lol, Graham made a ‘Her’ acct to troll the troons:

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by Anonymousreply 10302/20/2021

R100, deadly serious!

by Anonymousreply 10402/20/2021

I’m curious as to how people are not seeing the insane rhetoric from trans lobbyists as they use social media. How are they not coming into contact with it?

by Anonymousreply 10502/20/2021

I don't care. There are hardly any lesbians on this website - why do we have to constantly talk about them?

by Anonymousreply 10602/20/2021
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by Anonymousreply 10702/20/2021

Who thought that in 2021, after fucking Trump and Pence, that the Democrats would be the party of misogyny and honophobia?

by Anonymousreply 10802/20/2021

This isn’t going to end well. A movement where you are called a bigot because you won’t fuck someone you’re not attracted to isn’t going to last very long.

by Anonymousreply 10902/20/2021

R109, as long as it’s mostly lesbians being told they need to be correctively raped, it’ll persist and, as we’re seeing, actually become law.

by Anonymousreply 11002/20/2021

MtFs hung an effigy of a (real) woman that was left up for over 24hrs:

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by Anonymousreply 11102/20/2021

This is a problem for gay men as well. My Grindr grid typically features no fewer than five or six FTM trans people

by Anonymousreply 11202/20/2021

[quote] [R28], [R38], what specifically could gay men have done to save lesbian organizations from being transjacked? In reality, very little, since I expect that gay men's input would not have been terribly welcome in a lesbian organization. My city had a LGB then T organization. About 2014 or so, the T demanded wildly disproportionate representation in decision making, on the board, and as the public face of the organization - eventually the entire place was run - and run over - by various flavors of trans.

[quote] Shrill public demands a la ACT UP for dedicated services for trans sex workers of color - of which there are maybe 5 or 6 in the state - and a general mien of drama and conflict about trans, trans, trans. Then everybody fled, donors first. Now we don't have an organization; and I doubt now that we are living in another gilded age of people who live through their cellphones that there are financial and psychic resources to bring one together again.

THIS.

This is happening where I live right now! What happened to you in 2014, we're seeing locally now. I have written about this on DL before, and not many believe me.

by Anonymousreply 11302/20/2021

Oh it's happening everywhere, including my 100k population small Canadian city.

by Anonymousreply 11402/20/2021

R113 and r114 are you speaking out with people you know about what’s going on?

by Anonymousreply 11502/20/2021

[quote] as long as it’s mostly lesbians being told they need to be correctively raped, it’ll persist.

Ahem.

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by Anonymousreply 11602/20/2021

It's me again, R113.

R99's description is the most accurate description that I've read about this BECAUSE people in my community, even among their own friends, even among people they've known for years, seem afraid to assert themselves in even the most minute way against the trans group.

I was at a feminist meeting recently--not an LGB meeting--and a guest speaker from Planned Parent came to talk with us about women's rights (ostensibly), and she said to us, "We need to stop using the word "women" because we have to be inclusive of masculine people who also get pregnant and need care and sometimes need abortions." Do you know how crazy this shit is? PLANNED PARENTHOOD told us we should stop using the word women! One older lady, so obviously afraid of being criticized, with a bit of tears in her eyes, said, "Can't we even be women anymore?"

[quote] Then everybody fled, donors first. Now we don't have an organization; and

This is an interesting dynamic. The people who work for the organizations, the so-called executive team, are the ones giving into these maniacs because they are afraid if being called bigots. Then the big donors on the board leave because--this should be obvious--the highly educated, successful men and women do not want to hang out with other board members who are uneducated hookers, and who do nothing but demand the donors' money. I was talking to someone who works for a non-profit (important distinction, not a donor) who told me that the boards should be "inclusive." And I said, "What are they doing on the board if they cannot fundraise or attract money?" I hate to tell people this--but that is why you have a board.

So the donors leave because they physically do not want to be around these people, they don't want their money going to trans things instead of the community at large.

[quote] I doubt now that we are living in another gilded age of people who live through their cellphones that there are financial and psychic resources to bring one together again.

There will be a huge generational divide. The people in my community that originally founded these organizations (through their donations) and still continue to support them are getting a bit older--now they're in their 60s and up. The younger generation that has followed them, people in their 30s and 40s, whom you would expect to be big donors, are less and less interested in LGB organizations because they don't see themselves represented, they don't see any people joining that they want to know and hang out with, and the political disenfranchisement that powered the older generation (marriage rights, workplace rights) doesn't exist anymore.

The "leaders" who are filling that vacuum, more and more, are not people who want to make a difference to their communities by donating money, but pro-trans (or actually trans) people who hail from the mental health services field (if they went to college at all), and want an income from the LGB community.

This is a shift that it beginning in my community. I think new, smaller, private groups of LGB will spring up that are not 503cs, have no budget, and hire no one--but that are social clubs.

by Anonymousreply 11702/20/2021

I'm a single lesbian who has tried online dating sites and the caliber of women on them is frightening. However, on the occasions where I have signed up with hopes of finding someone who doesn't look like they ran out of Prozac or are fucking their dogs, I have found that within hours of putting up my profile, I will have about 4 messages. They are normally ALL from transwomen. In fact, I know without even having to look at their profiles that they are not biological female lesbians because, frankly women are not that aggressive and it's rare to find any that are. So these "transwomen" don't even understand the very basics about what it means to be female since their pushiness and entitlement reveals them immediately as male.

And for those of you saying lesbians deserve this because we pushed for inclusion into male places, no LESBIAN did that. We don't want to be around men if we can avoid it. And we really don't want to fuck them.

And so, I give up. Lesbian bars are gone. Lesbian dating is over. I'm just gonna go get some cats, put on a muumuu and stop using hair conditioner.

by Anonymousreply 11802/20/2021

R117 you need to look into the relationship between AGP “Jennifer” Pritzker and Planned Parenthood and then that’ll all make sense.

by Anonymousreply 11902/20/2021

The right believes that nose picking flyover racist retards are the only real Americans, and liberals, Jews and media types are actually in a mass cult and eating babies.

The left believes that a man with a penis is literally a woman because he says he is, and any lesbian who won’t date him is a monstrous bigot.

Is there a place I can go where I don’t have to interact with other human beings, ever?

by Anonymousreply 12002/20/2021

Listen to R118. Everything she says is so on the money.

Especially:

[quote] And for those of you saying lesbians deserve this because we pushed for inclusion into male places, no LESBIAN did that. We don't want to be around men if we can avoid it. And we really don't want to fuck them.

Yes indeed. I have never understood the old DL chestnut about lesbians insidiously and malevolently taking over gay mens’ spaces just for the shit of it. You want to look at your hags when it comes to that behaviour.

While I adore talking to gay men in passing (both in real life and in cyberspace) or on open forums on trivial topics like DL, I will never seek out and have never actively sought out a closed & private social group of gay males to infiltrate with my dykeyness, because I consider it would be inappropriate as well as excruciatingly awkward and incredibly pointless. In my private social time as a lesbian, obviously I want to meet women I’m attracted to and connect with, women who also share my liking for women. I don’t want to waste my serious potential woman-on-woman interaction hours trying to impress men, who’ve already made up their minds they hate my kind and think us expendable enough to throw under a bus.

by Anonymousreply 12102/20/2021

[quote] [R113] and [R114] are you speaking out with people you know about what’s going on?

I speak to people I know--but mostly those people also are starting to boycott the LGB organizations--not formally, but just by withdrawing financial support and not attending their events. When the different orgs send out their surveys asking what kinds of programming we want to see, etc, I usually write something (more PC than I have here) about how I would like to see more women-centered programming.

by Anonymousreply 12202/20/2021

R122 and the AGP interns are interpreting “woman-centered” to mean “centered on straight men with lesbian fetishes”.

by Anonymousreply 12302/20/2021

R123, frankly, I don't think they are going to change. The executive directors of all the LGB groups are in the older category.

I really think we need to found parallel organizations, totally volunteer, that don't do any fundraising or have any money. And that are quick to disperse and re-materialize in a different form.

by Anonymousreply 12402/20/2021

I posted this last night and it didn’t get any traction so i will repost it here. Please read, it’s absolutely terrifying.

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by Anonymousreply 12502/20/2021

R112, mine too. Where did they come from so suddenly? You rarely saw trans on dating apps a few years ago. I always chuckle when I remember Doublelist in its beginning had a trans section, but took it down with a notice that it was taken down for being a magnet for prostitution and drugs.

by Anonymousreply 12602/20/2021

[quote] I’m curious as to how people are not seeing the insane rhetoric from trans lobbyists as they use social media. How are they not coming into contact with it?

People use twitter for all sorts of things. Some people only follow dogs. I only follow accounts with news about my industry, so I never see trans stuff. I only see it in my local community organizations.

by Anonymousreply 12702/20/2021

R125 - that sort of thing is the result of a culture in which people constantly describe themselves as "triggered" and "dehumanised" over relatively trivial issues. If a man being referred to as "he" is treated as some sort of traumatic event, people become numb to genuinely horrific acts (up to and including murder and child abuse).

by Anonymousreply 12802/20/2021

I find it hard to believe there are so many people that are OK with trans-women allowed in biological women's private spaces. I would suspect a lot of people voicing their support are afraid of the misperception they are trans-phobic if they dissent. I can only speak for myself, but as a lesbian I don't want a "woman" with a dick or a man-made vagina. I feel if a person is transsexual they owe it to the other person to tell them. I'm not anti transsexual...I'm anti transsexuals feeling biological lesbian women should consider them a sexual partner.

by Anonymousreply 12902/20/2021

[quote] I find it hard to believe there are so many people that are OK with trans-women allowed in biological women's private spaces.

I don't think there are--but Americans tend not to be politically aware.

Also, transwomen are a tiny population. Unless you're in specific circumstances--involved with the gay community, in a women's prison or shelter, or (now) playing competitive sports, the regular female population is not likely to encounter one. Within those spaces, they suck the air out of the room or endanger people disproportionately.

by Anonymousreply 13002/20/2021

The regular population encounters transsexuals all the time R130. Now they will be in our dressing rooms, in our restrooms and playing in our sports and demanding that lesbians date them and if they don't they are trans-phobic.

by Anonymousreply 13102/20/2021

R131 I think “all the time” might be an exaggeration. But children in public schools (and even pre-schools that receive fed funding) have been getting indoctrinated in this dogma since Obama decimated Title IX. Obviously, if the EA passes, these men will be everywhere and there will be no legal recourse no protect women and girls from them.

by Anonymousreply 13202/20/2021

You lost dykes. Get over it.

by Anonymousreply 13302/20/2021

I hate trans people, but I hate lesbians even more, so why should I care? Both groups are violent homophobes who wouldn't bat an eye if a law was passed tomorrow that said gay men shall be put to death for being gay, so why should I give a fuck about their problems?

Have fun getting raped by trannys, dykeazoids. That's what you get for pushing your "gay men are the most harmful part of the patriarchy" bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 13402/20/2021

Lesbians spent decades villainizing gay men and trying to push us out of the community we created. They were the ones who led the charge of all this "trans acceptance" shit in the first place, bulldyke culture basically created what is called "FTM" today. Now that's it's blown up in their faces they want our help? After they spent years trying to convince us that we were "misogynists" for standing up to the very thing they're now complaining about?

Fuck you. Time to lie down in the bed you shit, dykes. Lesbian feminist gender theory is what led to the trans trend in the first place. Don't start crying now that the monster you created is finally affecting you.

by Anonymousreply 13502/20/2021

Wow, r135, couldn't have said it better myself. Lesbians of course, despise men, and that's understandable, but they weirdly have a special contempt for gay men who are the least of their oppressors. In fact, gay men have never done anything collectively wrong to lesbians but are subjected to their homophobia. I think lesbians very wrongly perceive gay men as weak. I don't really care, but just wish they'd get out of gay men's spaces like DL. I mean lesbians don't hesitate to exclude gay man from their spaces, but come crying here about their battles with the straight male freaks in dresses.

by Anonymousreply 13602/20/2021

Oh, I see the MRA troll is talking to himself tonight. Fun.

by Anonymousreply 13702/20/2021

No we are two different guys.

by Anonymousreply 13802/20/2021

I must have had in on mute from another thread.

Maybe there's a parallel DL where the only people who can read some of these MRA guys is their MRA brethren because they've been muted by everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 13902/20/2021

R136 The reason lesbians hate gay men is because we idolize a type of woman that they are not. Think about it, lesbians go out of their way to be dumpy, plain, and well.... masculine. But what gay men want from a woman is not masculinity, but rather the ultimate femininity.

This is why lesbians hate us. Because they have no purpose to us. We aren't sexually attracted to them and we don't find them endearing like straight men do because the Ellen Page-style woman is not exciting to us. They despise us because they desperately want to be the center of attention, which is impossible for them to be in the gay male world.

by Anonymousreply 14002/20/2021

It's hard for me to believe lesbians don't want to date fabulous trans women like Vicky Osterweil B.A., looting enthusiast and Ayn-Rand-hairdo aficionado!

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by Anonymousreply 14102/20/2021

Vicky Osterweil looks like Jodie Foster's half-aborted sister.

by Anonymousreply 14202/20/2021

Gay men had to accept female parties in our bars and clubs which destroyed the all masculine environment. Feminists were responsible for this without remorse. Lesbian feminists are such hypocrites.

by Anonymousreply 14302/20/2021

lol, r140, I guarantee you that the last thing lesbians are looking for is *more* male attention.

by Anonymousreply 14402/20/2021

R144, I told you the MRA troll was hilariously stupid. He likes proving me right over and over. He's so nice in that way.

by Anonymousreply 14502/20/2021

[quote]I hate to tell people this--but that is why you have a board.

Actually, you have a board for governance.

by Anonymousreply 14602/20/2021

[quote] Actually, you have a board for governance.

That is what they say, but every board I've ever been involved with and know of has required a "give or get" commitment from prospective board members--EXCEPT the lgbtq organization that I had mentioned up-thread. (Unless they used to, and then changed that to allow trans people on.)

by Anonymousreply 14702/20/2021

R125, one person, myself, did respond. You might have acknowledged that along with whining about lack of traction.

by Anonymousreply 14802/20/2021

[quote] bulldyke culture basically created what is called "FTM" today.

These are not equivalent concepts, or even related.

by Anonymousreply 14902/21/2021

r148, this is DL. We don't do "courteous".

by Anonymousreply 15002/21/2021

Bull dykes aren’t even related to FTM? Bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 15102/21/2021

There are more MTF than FTM. So the feminine men created the FTM? If that is true than it would seem feminine men have more power than masculine women.

by Anonymousreply 15202/21/2021

r152, there are more FtM than MtF. Most of them are teen girls, a large majority of those lesbians, who have now destroyed their sexual function, amputated their breasts and are on a fast track to requiring full hysterectomies as testosterone in women causes life threatening uterine atrophy. Removal of the uterus throws a woman into immediate menopause, which then results in early onset Alzheimer's, brittle bones, vaginal collapse and all manner of problems with the internal organs and hips being displaced, etc. Most MtFs are autogynephilic straight middle aged men who hate women and they are loud and they are dangerous and they are bullies and they, clearly, retain all the social power they had when they "identified" as their real sex as they have been able to change laws around the globe to destroy sex-based rights. This group does not undergo surgery and most do not even take hormones. They generally continue to "present as men" when it is convenient for them and, also, claim female identity when it is convenient for them. They do not have gender dysphoria. Most of the young MtFs are gay boys who are being castrated and having their lives and bodies destroyed, much like the young lesbians.

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by Anonymousreply 15302/21/2021

You are wrong R153. "the prevalence of transsexualism was 22.1 in 100,000 inhabitants: 31.2 for MtF and 12.9 for FtM..."

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by Anonymousreply 15402/21/2021

r154, no, you're wrong.

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by Anonymousreply 15502/22/2021

[quote]you do realize that lesbian bars would be as full of men as these ostensibly lesbian apps are, right? And that these women would now be put into physical danger by having to share physical spaces with these psychos?

Wait, so lesbians would have to let a lot of men in their bars like gay men have been doing for years?

Cry me a river. Welcome to our world.

by Anonymousreply 15602/22/2021

This thread is about as nuanced as a Bull Dyke in a china shop.

by Anonymousreply 15702/22/2021

I'm not wrong R155. There is an increase of FtM, but overall there are still more MtF.

by Anonymousreply 15802/22/2021

Never met a lesbian who wasn't a spiteful man-hater, including gay men, why would I feel concern for them now?

by Anonymousreply 15902/22/2021

R159, you're lying.

by Anonymousreply 16002/22/2021

R156, lesbians were never in gay bars. Did you think the scary straight women were going to rape and murder you when they showed up at your bar? Because that's what women get to deal with now. Sad little MRA troll being stupid, yet again.

by Anonymousreply 16102/22/2021

During the AIDS crisis many lesbians were in the forefront in helping sick gay men when nobody else would. Some of you need to read up on your gay history, before spouting off ignorant comments like lesbians hate gay men. Assholes!

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by Anonymousreply 16202/22/2021

R158, An over 4500% increase in girls opting out of being female. Your Spain-specific math is out-dated and, further, does not at all accurately reflect that stats in English as a first language countries. If you don’t trust the math that experts have already done for you, add it up yourself. 4500% increase in FtM.

by Anonymousreply 16302/22/2021

R155, read the caption on your graph:

[quote]“Sex Ratio in Children and Adolescents Referred to the Gender Identity Development Service in the UK (2009–2016)”

That's not measuring transness. That's referrals to gender identity clinics, including people with gender dysphoria and identifications as "nonbinary."

by Anonymousreply 16402/22/2021

Further, from the piece linked at R155:

[quote]It is relevant to note that while more people may be coming out the current observed ratio of females to males with gender dysphoria in youth clinics does not match the numbers of transitioners in the adult population in the most recent past. Most of the earliest gender transitions were MtF with the ratio balancing out recently with still more MtFs in most countries. According to the authors of this study:

"In adult samples [of transitioners], in almost all cases, the number of natal males either exceeds the number of natal females or the sex ratio is near parity."

by Anonymousreply 16502/22/2021

Lol, r165, KEEP READING...

by Anonymousreply 16602/22/2021

To what are you directing our attention, specifically?

by Anonymousreply 16702/22/2021

R165, stopped reading after the first section and never got to the rest of the page which disproves the faulty stats he’s citing. Because he’s an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 16802/22/2021

OMG R163 I forgot the United States is the center of the universe. Unfortunately your stupidity is showing, but please continue for my amusement.

by Anonymousreply 16902/22/2021
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