Nomadland is available on Hulu

It's really boring.

Yes the poors and their sad lives are such a tedious topic.

here is something I just learnt, apparently Amazon pays its warehouse workforce for their RV park stay, or offers huge discount, if they stop working for Amazon warehouse, the RV park will charge them $300.

I can’t wait to see this.

Frances should present her frau dong as she seems to have it naturally. All the grumpiness and bitterness in all her performances, it must be real.

I am going to see it in IMAX

I hope no-one spoils the big twist for you.

The frontal nude?

I loved this movie.

She needs to do a comedy.

^^She tried and it was awful - Burn Before Reading

interesting, I thought she would be great in a comedy, she has that bitterness "bitch" face, "be careful when you talk to me...." I still remember the diner scene from Fargo, the interaction between her and the Japanese guy is quite funny.

Was it good?

Does Frances deserve that third Oscar for the performance? I'm definitely gonna watch when I get out of work

Signed up for Hulu to watch this, but I wonder what their strategy was in licensing it? There isn’t much in their catalog to appeal to the audience for this movie (NPR listeners).

Loved her in small comedic parts in something’s gotta give and friends with money.

Profoundly reflective and meditative: subtle yet deeply moving. As always, Frances McDormand is exquisite.

She can do no wrong in my book. I even loved her opposite Bale in Laurel Canyon. She pulled off sexy rocker, which I never imagined.

How is David Strathairn?

R19 He’s good. He’s not in it much, though. This is Frannie’s show.

McDormand is stellar (though this is her wheelhouse). I'd probably prefer to see Mulligan win rather than give McDormand her third, but it's a worthy performance.

R12 She can be bitingly funny.

It's really good, I have watched it a few times now. I admire the resilience of these people, most of the characters in the film are real "nomads" using their real names, only McDormand and David Strathairn (and David's son) are professional actors. But what I like the most about the film is the subtle theme of longing, belonging and disappointment in life, not just "normads" life, the life in general, I think many people here on DL can relate to that.

R23 It reminded me a bit of Sean Penn’s severely underrated “Into the Wild.” Both are films I can revisit repeatedly and endlessly get lost in.

I liked it much is this really an Oscar frontrunner?

I liked the character. I thought the movie was uneven. The monologues by each person they wanted to showcase was a bit much for me. I also found Linda May more effective than Swankie.

R24 I watched “Into the Wild" years ago and I also read some articles about the guy and the background. But in my opinion, it's still a guy bored of living a privileged life, like "darfur orphan" troll would comment - first world problem! I know my words may sound harsh, but I really couldn't find a better way to describe him, he had everything going on for him, and he chose to abandon the material world to pursue this idealist life.... all these are perfectly fine, if he was ok with it then who are we to judge here, I could even draw my inspiration from the "simple" life he wanted to live, but the only reason it ended in a tragedy was because he was ill prepared. Also I am not sure the conversations or the public interests inspired by his life would be ok with him, since he didn't want to be associated with the abundant society, and he tried to maintain a minimum or no connections with other people.

I agree with R17 and R23. It’s very moving and would be a very worthy Best Picture.

I thought it was going to be more hard hitting than it was. The overall if unintended impression it leaves is of quirky old white misfits out on their own pursuing their dreams. There’s no conflict at all. Gorgeous to look at though.

Oh - one of my ex sons in law is in this. Pass.

R30 Which one? You have a number don't you!

yep, which one? R30

Not me!

This is a beautiful film. Francis was wonderful, and I was impressed with all the non-professional actors. The film was able to show the loneliness and emptiness of America today, with our fractured communities and the deep loneliness many people are experiencing today. We are seeking a sense of belonging in our own way.

McDormand was wonderful, and she has a very good chance of becoming only the second woman to have won three Best Actress Oscars, ahead of Streep. She was beautifully restrained, listening respectfully to others instead of calling attention to herself. Meryl would have been unable to do that—she’d have given us all manner of tics and facial expressions.

I want Frannie McD. to win Oscah!

[quote] She tried and it was awful - Burn Before Reading

She’s hilarious in Raising Arizona.

McDormand is aggressively homely, and seems to enjoy playing it up.

Frannie talks about relating to her character in this film, R38. I think our Frannie has a little nomad in her and I love it.

I thought that is was incredibly moving and a fine film. I would be fine with it winning any or all of the major awards.

Compelling and so timely-

The sequence towards the end in David's family's house that leads to the ending is particularly wonderful and powerful.

I loved the director's other film The Rider, so am looking forward to this.

I lived in an RV for a couple years, this is an extremely boring and sanitized take. It doesn't all have to be poverty porn, but no gas station attendant has ever offered someone sleeping in their parking lot a bed down the street. The RV park was immaculate, no broken bottles or windows, no screaming junkies or alcoholics, no make shift sheds and cop sirens. It's a love letter to the community, but it doesn't show case any hard ships. The rock show in Quartizite is real and my aunt used to go down there a couple times a year to buy antiques. It feels almost pusedo documentary, but too clean. The scenic shots were dulled out and the only vibrant color on the screen is about an hour and a half in. Why not make the sunsets look amazing? Why tinge the PNW in grey? Seems like a missed opportunity to showcase some of the beauty that makes that life so special.

I'm renovating it now while I can't travel and redid the ceiling and counter tops, now I'm trying to rip out the floor but the carpet staples are a pain in the ass. I stopped for a while because I wasn't too motivated to keep going but maybe after watching this it'll get me back on track

R42, what brought you to live in an RV? Was it by choice? How do you make money?

On first impression this was a beautiful and sad movie, but then I started wondering where are the immigrants who do these low-wage jobs? And were these white nomads Trump voters or non-voters? Also seemed unrealistic that a woman alone would never seem to face any kind of physical threat or uneasiness.

[R43] Thank you for asking; I've been thinking a lot about it and have thoughts!

TL:DR - I'm an idiot, sadly yes, I'm lucky to have my job

For why - I had the albatross of feeling responsible for a heroin addled orphan with a felony. Her father, my best friend, died when she was 19, and his dying wish to me was to make sure she was safe, she asked for help. So new roommate it is. I was renting, couldn't afford a down payment for a house, and no place will rent to a felon. You either move every couple weeks from national park to national park or you go to an RV Park. RV Parks mostly don't run background checks or only run it on the main person. If they do, you just pick up and move. You don't need a down payment to park it, or even for the RV itself. You can walk into a dealership and get a 15 year loan out the door no questions asked. Of course, the living arrangement lasted only a couple months before it was just me, my cat, and a 30 foot RV with monthly payments equivalent to rent with no market value after the miles we'd put on it. I also accidentally broke a lot of stuff like the awning and the antenna handle, because that's what happens the first time you get an RV. It was great solo and I ended up doing it for a couple years.

For money - It's about the same price as renting a 1 bedroom with parking, insurance, storage unit, po box, cell phone (with unlimited wifi plan). I travel for a living, working every other week, booked about 3 months in advance. You can book camp sites about 6 months in advance, and you have to pay in advance. If things got tight I wasn't able to book as far out so I'd have to boon dock occasionally. Work weeks, I'd stay near an airport (Portland, SeaTac, Sacramento, Eugene, etc) and wake up in the forest., then drive into the city. I towed my car behind the RV. Every city with an airport has a expo area you can stay at, but those are awful, just parking lots with hook ups. The only time I wasn't able to find something was major holidays (4th of July, etc) which would leave me scrambling to find a WalMart that wouldn't kick me out. I had a little white board next to the door and I'd write the site and the dates and the RV spot.

Stuff you didn't ask but I'm going to mention anyway - Some of the things I really missed were having a bath tub and mail delivery, which was limited to a post office box with a service that opens and scans your mail for you near my storage unit. Fed Ex & UPS won't ship to a post office, everything has to be USPS. I was able to register as a resident with no address only in the state of Oregon, and with RealID, you're not able to fly if you don't have one, so "continuous traveler", which is what my license says now, is no longer available. So maybe the whole "wow, I can't get an ID or Driver's License" problem could have come up in the movie.

Spoilers - It's also incredibly hard to get dental care, since I was only in the same area near my storage unit occasionally and most dentists won't work on the weekends. One time I went to a stadium dentist :( They should have showed the horrors of being one of the last people let in for dental care day and watching families with kids who've been waiting two days turned away behind you. Or you know, a lady who's super happy about not having access to medical care. That too. I laughed in a room alone when that lady said "Because she loved rocks". That was the only time I laughed. Fran McD could have been any of them though, her performance was great and understated. And I got totally pissed when that motherfucker broke her plates. WTF, asshole, SHE SAID LEAVE HER ALONE DAMN IT. Other than that the only emotions I felt were boredom and confusion about why everything looked so bland. Oh! And I wanted her to hook up with the other park attendant.

Chloe Zhao is being marketed as the second coming of Orson Welles. Or, if you prefer, Agnes Varda.

R2 sounds like Ivanka Trump.

Loved it! Mesmerizing, the story and scenery. I'm not sure I can write anything adequate to describe how much I felt this movie. Thought McDormand was outstanding.

Has anyone seen The Rider? (also by Zhao)

She’s much better here than in Three Billboards.

Great actress but she is one homely woman.

R49, The Rider is wonderful. See it.

This movie sucks. Hillbilly Elegy is much better.

R42? "...pusedo documentary"?

Oh, dear.

yes "The Rider" is an excellent movie, it got a lot recognitions in the indie film circuit but was mostly ignored by the major awards, you can rent it on youtube and Amazon, it's well worth $3.99.

And here is the good news, starting this week, it's free to watch on PlutoTV.

It felt more like a scripted documentary to me - which is a very good thing. I thought Frannie was superb. Totally fine with her winning her third.

Compared to Mank, Trial of the Chicago Seven, One Night in Miami, Ma Rainey and the few other Oscar contenders I've seen, this is by far my favorite (Haven't seen Minari or Promising Young Woman). It was so gorgeous to watch and I was happy it was so plot thin.

R55 thank you so much! - I'm watching it now.

I really enjoyed how low key it is.

and watching her shit in a tub

I thought it was wonderful. Will watch again

I can't watch it again. I found it horribly depressing. Those people seem like misfits or very desperate people who have either been forced into that life, or have mental health issues. But living that kind of existence seems frightening to me. They painted an idyllic portrait and made cleaning toilets seem pleasant and easy. I'm glad the film was made. This is something worth seeing. It was obviously sanitized. I mean, getting the flat tire and having someone thee to help her drive he into get a new one, and when he van beaks down, $2300 to fix it, oh, well. Shitting in plastic tubs inside the van. And there was nothing comfortable about sleeping in a van in below zero weather. The fact that thee people chose to live like that, and be all awe stuck simply walking into a model RUV was just awful to me. To be elderly and alone and vulnerable, poo health, etc. and have no other choice was something I found disturbing. These weren't cheerful retirees running off to see America for a couple of yeas. Yes, McDormand was excellent. But to me, the power of the movie was in how devastating that life is. Like a slow form of suicide.

R60: Mary!

I tried for 30 minutes and quit.

I realize it's received fairly good reviews, but I was pretty bored. More importantly, I wasn't in the mood for the bleakness.

R60 in the movie, there was a scene that Fern (McDormand) bumped into an old friend and her daughters. She tried to explain to one of young girls that she is just houseless, but not homeless. In the book Normandland, the author Jessica Bruder said many of those van living old people share the same thought that they are not homeless, maybe it's a way to preserve their own dignity, but the reality is most of them are in dire situations, And I don't think the film is trying to portray an idyllic life style here, we saw how hard they live, they were hungry, they were sick and lonely, and there was no heat in the freezing cold and of course no sanitation, they were trying to get any job they can... but we also learned from the film, there is some sort of unofficial community and "safety net program" for themselves , you need to go to those "training course" gatherings if you decide to live in a van, the volunteers will share the tips on living and on where and when to find jobs, also connect you with other people so you might be able to each other on the road... and in my opinion, the sense of this "community" is the only thing that makes living in a van remotely "interesting" in the film.

In a few reviews, there are some criticism on the film, saying it didn't expose Amazon's harsh work environment. McDormand said she went to Amazon warehouse and worked along with other people, even though she said she won't choose this as a job, the repetitive nature of packing and taping boxes didn't bother her and many old people. Also according to Jessica Bruder, Amazon's campforce program was well received by those van living people, to them the money and free RV stay was very attractive. Because this is a seasonal gig for holidays, they show up in the winter and they leave after the holiday is over. I think this might explain why, they don't work at Amazon all year long to make a living, it's just a few months for some extra cash with free RV parking.

Also I noticed in the film, probably in real life too, the old people are in better shape than young people, the old people at least live in a van and have some sort of income or social security, meager they might be, but young people featured in the film like Derrick from Wisconsin, they have nothing, they are basically homeless.

I admire the uncomplaining self-reliance that doesn't have the element of isolation; they rely on one another and help one another understand how difficult this life they've chosen is. I loved feeling immediately relaxed and unquestioning about how time unfolds when I'm not expecting a standard plot to unfold, much like the way life unfolds for the nomads.

It reminded me of the spareness of Atom Egoyan films, which I miss.

The people seem to be a mix of those who love the freedom of not being wedded to a job and traveling and those who are a bit cracked in the head

I left the movie thinking the main character had emotional issues and wasn’t on the road because her situation was so dire but because she couldn’t firm attachments to other people after her husband died. Didn’t she stay in that dying town a long time after her husband died? And her sister, probably aware of her issues, offered her a home and the Straitharn character fix the same.

I didn’t like the rape scene

My husband and I reached the same conclusions Egalandy (R67)

Factor in too that she had worked as a substitute teacher and could quote Shakespeare, she likely could have found a teaching job somewhere which would have paid more than an Amazon warehouse and being on the road was her way of dealing with that by ensuring she would not be in situations where she'd be pressed to form emotional attachments. Which is why Straitharn's character threw her for a loop.

It rang true though, as there are people who never recover from the loss of a spouse, they are just scared to form that sort of attachment again.

Overall, it was beautifully shot and had a dream-like quality to it and deserves all the praise it's gotten. I had not realized until reading reviews after we saw it that many of the actors were real people. McDormand's scenes with them were flawless.

I can see it resonating in both positive and negative ways with many DLers as many older posters do seem to be alone and without close friends and family.

I thought Frances was hysterical in Burn After Reading.

Loved it

You just know she stinks

Alternate title: On the Road With Olive Kitteridge

I wish. Olive Kitteridge was fantastic! This one just bored me.

[quote] Sean Penn’s severely underrated “Into the Wild.”

Extremely highly regarded film, won many critics and industry awards. Very highly rated on internet film review sites too.

Not even slightly underrated.

R74 It’s underrated.

[quote] [R60]: Mary!

Lol I think people like r60 have built big walls between their psyches and some very bleak realities of life. When someone forces them to peek over the wall, they melt down.

[R75] 8.1/10 on IMDB, 83% rotten tomatoes. Nobody is saying that movie is sub par. They managed to turn a poorly written non-fic about a teenage boy doing something stupid that killed him into something quasi cinematic. YMMV based on how much you enjoy looking at cold places. Maybe you're thinking of Sean Penn, who everyone hates. I think it's overrated. You probably meant *over*rated. Like Nomadland.

R60, here. I worked in local government for 17 years. I had to work with the homeless population, and the non profits who helped them. I visited emergency shelters on the coldest nights of the year to make surer they had enough beds. I've seen people whose hands and feet were blackened from frostbite. I haven't built walls. What I am saying is that yes, because this country is shit when it comes to safety nets, etc. many people are forced into that kind of lifestyle. And there are others who chose it because of mental health issues. I thought the bleakness gave it power but it was horribly depressing to see.

R77 It’s underrated.

“Great actress but she is one homely woman.”

She is as attractive as the vast majority of leading men, no need to call her names.

[quote]To be elderly and alone and vulnerable, poo health, etc

Erna: A Life

R81 😂

I caught the film through a SAG-Aftra digital screener. Reading the thread I can see how the film draws visceral responses. I admired the film’s production elements. The casting of “nomads” is part of a hybrid reality in media, the interplay of fictional characters with humans living in the story being told. It’s done to a very high standard. MacDormand’s performance is very effective, and so subtle but telling. She seems incapable of any awful artificiality in her acting. Strathairn is another hugely appealing presence on film, but here and in the film Passionfish, I can really admire his stature as a character actor (probably the best identity to have in film). It’s a special film, poignant and timely. Separately, it has cured my fetish for vintage rv’s. I thought I wanted one, but now....yeah, no.

R79 is correctly rated as mentally ill

R84 No, you’re just retarded.

R69 near the end of the film, Fern explained to Bob that she might have spent too much time mourning Bo's life and death, then in the next frame we saw her hit the road again in her van, she chose this life on purpose to escape from the reality and to heal alone by herself.

That's exactly the scene I was referring to R86.

The music for the film was entirely wrong and sentimentalized it. In fact, most of the tone in the film was sentimental, despite its appearance of harshness and "truth telling." Phony filmmaking.

I liked that she shit in a bucket.

the past tense is SHAT, R89

Figures the idiots here would completely fail to recognise this is a film about community.

And I keep hearing other self-important commentators remark how this film is about the lack of a safety net - duh, this IS the safety net! These people taking care of each other and legitimising a way of life in a country that has no use for them and doesn’t care. Americans think this film is trying to tell them something. People outside of the U.S. can hear what it’s saying.

Glad I never had to go on a camping trip with you guys!

R91 read R63,

next time read through the entire thread first, especially when you are already late to the party.

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Ugh. R93 = shameless self-promoter

Old lady wants to live in a van so she lives in a van. The end.

Why is this movie getting so much praise???

R90, "Shidded." As in shidded and farded.

As an addendum to R63's excellent post, the guy who runs those desert "seminars" on living in a van is real as are the gatherings themselves. Hence the frequent description of the film as part fiction-part documentary

[R98] That was maybe the most insidious part after the "I don't want or need healthcare" bit, right? Don't worry about having to survive off thrash, they'll be pie in the sky when you die! All your loved ones have died? No problem, you'll see um again soon.

I think it's mostly being lauded as successful because it makes people like R63 feel good about all of the homeless elderly on the road. Now when you see someone in the Walmart parking lot, you can pretend they're Fran and you don't have to make eye contact.

The film really glossed over the physical toll of these jobs for older people. Was Fern in such great shape that a day shoveling heavy loads of beets wouldn’t result in injury or significant wear and tear on her aging body?

I liked the movie because it shows a segment of American life I wasn’t really aware of.

And she shows us her pubes

So preachy! I love how they shoe-horned in the two black women because, well, 2020.

Of course, we didn’t see any kids living in that RV park and we didn’t see any drugs and we didn’t see any violence or crime, all of which are common in the nomad world.

I’m sure this dumb movie will win all of the awards.

Article with Nomad Bob about being in the film. Reading it reminded me of how moved I was when I saw the film.

I thought it was a wonderful movie. It also shows how bleak the future of the US might be....

I think they purposely lit the interior of Fern’s van as very dark and spartan. The only objects of sentiment and personal connectivity to her father and family were dropped and shattered with this dishes. The gluing of the dish, to me, foreshadowed the film’s ending. The breakage was still there but invisible, and a large chip was evident, separate and distinct. I thought some of the food looked curious, too, specifically a scene in which they ate chili. All the fixings were laid out. One character asked for three scoops of one item, and bristled at another. I’m reaching, but it made me think of how many scoops of freedom and solitude these characters craved, and actively rejected certain other social dimensions like intimacy.

R94 I see where you’re going... 😂

Will this to a scourge of Frau Nomads? Or Scat Fraus?

I just want to know how they got Amazon to sign off on the filming that made their employees look like slave labor.

“I think I might have spent too much of my life remembering.”

I was enjoying the film up until then, but that line really sold it for me.

This is perhaps my favorite McDormand performance; she is a beautiful listener.

the book "Nomadland" didn't address Amazon's labor issue, partly because the old people interviewed at the time had very positive experience as a seasonal worker for the holiday rush and they really liked the benefit of free RV parking, also the book was written like 9 years ago, long before Amazon's rapid expansion and the following labor issues. McDormand personally contacted Amazon's VP, I am certain they have researched the book, and to their surprise, they didn't find the negativity, so they greenlighted her request even without any preconditions.

Is this really gonna win the Best Picture Oscar?

They announced that a sequel is in the works. In Nomadland 2, Frances McDormand will drive a shitty van in the dark and stare out the window for 90 minutes. There's already Oscar buzz.

R60, I couldn't have come away with a farther response. Everything you wrote I felt the opposite. The reality is, I might end up older and alone.. I can actually see myself joining a community like this. Why not? Whatever your experience, I personally loved it. The older I get, the farther away from the status quo I want to be.

For anyone with Hulu, PALM SPRINGS and RUN are terrific genre films. Palm Springs is the Andy Samberg movie that got nominated for best picture (Comedy) at the Golden Globes. Wish it had won.

Yes, despite the two leads who I don’t care for Palm Springs was one of the better and more memorable comedies within the last year.

[quote] They announced that a sequel is in the works. In Nomadland 2, Frances McDormand will drive a shitty van in the dark and stare out the window for 90 minutes. There's already Oscar buzz.

Not so fast!! She's going to have to up the shit-in-the pail moment to grab an Oscar next time.

Thanks to all who recommended The Rider. Just watched it on Pluto tonight, so worth while, wonderful characters, who weren’t even characters but real people.

R117, I had a hard time watching it because I'm a big animal lover. I liked it, but I struggled with the rodeo scenes and other stuff. But I liked the feel. I'm watching all of Zhao's movies now.

R118 If you like "The Rider", you most likely will like "Songs my brother taught me" too, which was her first feature film, also her graduation thesis for the film school. All her three films "Songs", "The Rider" and "Nomadland" were based on real people playing a slightly fictional version of themselves, she wrote all the movie scripts here, there is no doubt that Zhao is very talented on constructing a story from real people's experience.

I really enjoyed it, beautiful little film. It did feel very sanitized with no drugs or alcoholism though.

So far out of the Oscar contenders I've watched this would still be my pick.

As full of shit as the bucket which Fern takes a crap into. Pretentious and condescending.

Watched this movie last night. Beautiful cinematography. There is a large subculture of people who live this type of existence their entire lives. Young people who take off with a backpack, picking up odd jobs here and there, until there comes a point they have been doing it so long, they don't know how to have long term relationships. Or even how to even re-enter normal society. I think people who don't have a family support system can become trapped in this nomadic lifestyle. They are free, but yet not free at all.

They’re selfish assholes is what they are. Not productive members of society.

R123 Sounds like you’re describing yourself, you insensitive cunt.

Kindly mosey on over to the nearest greasefire, R124. But being the tiresome douchebag that you are don’t count on anyone to even show up to cheer on your transformation from loathesome milquetoast into burnt marshmallow.

R125 More self-projection, I see. Your death wouldn’t even warrant a grease fire, just a dump in the trash - without a bag, of course.

Swankie was my favorite.

Christine Lahti was better playing an itinerant in “Housekeeping”.

R127 yep I agree Swankie was really good, she is a nomad but some of her scenes are fictional, like the conversation she had with Fern about life and death, it's written by Zhao, not based on her real life, yet she can put on a such convincing and moving performance, it is really incredible. In my opinion, she deserves more "acting" credit. Swankie received some supporting actress nominations in film critics circuits, but was completely ignored by industry awards.

R129 I’ll chime in too: Swankie was excellent!

The first time I saw her name in this thread, I was skimming, didn’t immediately make the connection, and thought you bitches were making fun of Hillary Swank 😂

94% on Rotten Tomatoes so it is definitely on my list to see, I just haven’t gotten around to it yet. It’s on Hulu right now. Rotten Tomatoes is my movie “bible” so if they say 90% or better, it’s a must see. If I’m bored, I’ll go down to 80%.

Is Swankie alive IRL?

Yes she is alive, Swankie didn't have the cancer, her late husband died of liver cancer though.

Frances is an amazing actress, but she played Fern as if she was autistic. You can tell it's been a while since Frances has hung around normal, regular people. Her scenes with the non-actors were just so inauthentic.

It was a good film...better than most released last year...but it won't be revisited and beloved In the years to come. It just speaks to the current moment

Deadline is reporting that after they make Nomadland 2: Bucket Boogaloo, they're working on a prequel. We find out that Ferns real name is Denise and she had a penchant for camping - she made her money off of running something called The Rainbow Express. It's called Grass, Cash, or Ass.

What a beautiful film. Also Swankie and the other main female character (whose name is escaping me) both looked adorable at the Oscars last night.

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That final scene of Fern returning to her house in Empire was so moving. I got the impression it wasn't the first time she'd done that since leaving -- if I'm remembering correctly the backdoor, which she walked through at the end of that scene, was already open when she arrived, perhaps left open from her last visit.

R136- Agreed.

You know the scene I found even more moving-

Spoiler

Was when she left David Strathairn's family house.. THAT one got me. She really walked around and made her decision. Can I live a more "comfortable" and safe life with this nice man and his family or can I continue with my own life. There were no words spoken and the scene said so much.

I was very glad to see them win all of the awards, including Frances. I was REALLY pulling for both Andra Day and especially Carey Mulligan for Best Actress and Minari as a spoiler for Best Film- but I was perfectly happy for Frances's win and I thought back to how much her film moved me. On a very different level than Minari.

R136 this scene?

For me it's the scene that she cried in the abandoned factory, Fern finally came to accept that there was really nothing left there for her to call it "home", that part of her life has passed, she can continue her journey on the road without revisiting it again.

"Frances is an amazing actress, but she played Fern as if she was autistic." Who didn't own a hairbrush....

Oof, I still hate this movie so much!

R137 - yes, that scene of her alone in early morning in David S's family house probably ended up giving that final scene in her old house even more emotional weight.

R138 - yes, that's the scene. And, I think you may be right. That might have been a final goodbye to Empire for her. Yes, the factory scene was very moving, too