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I'm not very fascinated by the Titanic, personally.

I just started watching a 1958 film about it. I know what's going to happen. Everyone all jolly and excited before they set sail. It's too awful.

I don't know why so many people are so interested in it. Spending big money to get artefacts etc...

How interested are YOU?

Is it a morbid curiosity do you think?

by Anonymousreply 10720 hours ago

The Third Reich "Titanic" (1943) is the most interesting of them all. Goebbels had the director killed while it was still being completed.

On Kino Lorber DVD.

by Anonymousreply 102/15/2021

More people died in the sinking of the Nazi refugee ship, “Wilhelm Gustloff,” in 1945, when it was torpedoed by a Russian submarine in the North Sea.

More than 10,000 people died.

That’s well more than 6 times the “Titanic’s” deaths.

by Anonymousreply 202/15/2021

I've always been a Titanic buff. The sinking of that ship was a transitional moment in history -the end of one age and the beginning of another. All aspects and elements of society (not just Society) were present, and the event gives great insight into the attitudes and mores of the time. On the page linked below, scroll down and take a look at the mortality dashboard. Very eye-opening to discover that you had the worst chance of survival as a second class man (8%). Why is that? Those were teachers, doctors, lawyers, owners of small and medium-sized businesses. They clearly played by the rules more than first class men (33% survival rate) or even male crew members (22%).

The more you research the events, the more anomalies, what-ifs, and amazing stories you discover. It's the maritime equivalent of Hamlet -everything, all of human experience, is there. Very little of that is ever captured on film. Hollywood prefers its drama in the form of love stories, not facts. I heartily recommend Wyn Craig Wade's book Titanic: End of a Dream for a look at the aftermath of the disaster and its impact on the world at that time, and since.

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by Anonymousreply 302/15/2021

I like to think some day they will make a movie called "Trump" in which a group of people merrily sets sail on journey of hubris, lies & deceit, only to one day have the ship hit a (proverbial) ice berg and everyone on the ship dies screaming. And everyone will shake their heads & marvel at why all these people climbed aboard this clearly doomed vessel.

by Anonymousreply 402/15/2021

Even in a threat about Titanic, you’re obsessed with him.

by Anonymousreply 502/15/2021

You're right, OP. It was totally overrated.

by Anonymousreply 602/15/2021

I get your point, R5, but R4 isn't so far off the mark, really. The Trumps and their ilk are not far removed from the hubris and excess of the Edwardian Gilded Age. They see themselves as inherently more valuable and worthy than those of us living second and third-class lives. We are expendable fodder to them. Exactly the thinking that led to locked gates keeping third-class passengers below decks while lifeboats were loaded. What's scarier is that if you had asked them, most of those poor people would have deferred, saying "Of course the lifeboats are for first class."

Wealth is just as worshipped today as it was in 1912. And the 1% feels just as entitled as ever.

by Anonymousreply 702/15/2021

[quote] The Trumps and their ilk are not far removed from the hubris and excess of the Edwardian Gilded Age.

That was my point; I actually think the Titanic story is a very interesting, but also a very old one in that there were several warning flags about potential problems with the ship & the Titanic crew was warned about the icebergs, but were so certain of the ship's infallibility, they ignored them. Basic precautions like making sure there were sufficient lifeboats on the ship & everyone knew how to reach them were ignored.

So because of hubris, arrogance & a sense of invincibility, people needlessly died. Whatever you think of Trump, I do think some day people will look back on his time in office in much the same way with fascination as to how people could ignore obvious warnings about the clearly apparent danger all in service to a complete charlatan.

by Anonymousreply 802/15/2021

In addition to the sociological aspects that R3 mentions, I also find the engineering accomplishments and failures interesting. The Titanic was an very advanced in terms engineering and had state of the art (for its time) wireless radio technology, but that’s mostly forgotten today in favor of images of wealthy passengers, early 20th century luxury and the fictional tragedy of Jack & Rose.

That engineering, while advanced, didn’t have a proven track record. This paper has a good breakdown of the failure of the hull. Although, I think the title is misleading. The Titanic sank relatively slow compared to other maritime disasters of the time, not rapidly.

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by Anonymousreply 902/15/2021

Well, I can tell you that my cat is way more interesting than this Titanic thingy, even as she licks her own butthole.

by Anonymousreply 1002/15/2021

Here on Datalounge, R10, there is very little that is more interesting than licking buttholes.

by Anonymousreply 1102/15/2021

The 1953 version is my favorite. Mainly because of the witty dialogue between the married couple.

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by Anonymousreply 1302/15/2021

Completely overlooked are the 2nd class passengers. Middle class sprocket salesman from Coventry going to NY to then catching a train to Cleveland. Nobody ever mentions them

by Anonymousreply 1402/15/2021

Weren't the poor the last to get on the life boats?

by Anonymousreply 1502/15/2021

[quote]Tourists can visit the Titanic shipwreck in 2021

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by Anonymousreply 1602/15/2021

I'll admit to being a Titanic nut. I was obsessed with it as a little kid and even now as an adult, every few years I'll go thru an obsessive phase and dig out the deck plans and pore over them. There's a video game in the works, "Titanic: Honor & Glory" where the developers are going to ludicrous levels of scrutiny in recreating the entire ship down to the tiniest detail. There's going to be some superficial plot, but the real point of the game will be for nerds like me to just wander the boat and go, "Oh, THAT'S what an ash ejector system looked like!"

For me at least, I've always been fascinated by situations of isolation. As a little kid, the juxtaposition of the world's more luxurious liner with an icy, watery death was kind of haunting. As well as idea that everyone on board, from the millionaires to the boot shiners all faced the same fate alone together. And after that absorbs you, you start wondering: what was this capsule like, that everyone spent their last days on? And how poorly their final luxuries measure up to modern standards. And then finally you take it to unhealthy levels where you're researching whether the first class dining saloon had carpeting or linoleum (spoiler: linoleum).

by Anonymousreply 1702/15/2021

I'm another Titanic obsessive. As a child I read A Night to Remember. I still have the book and you can see how I checked off in pencil all the women and children that died in 3d class and steerage and tje high mumber of men who survivied in 1st class.

Even as a child I could spot injustice.

This was one of my 3 childhood obsessions that pretty much lasted into adulthood. You know back in the dinosaur days having an obsession took some work. Not just googling. You actually had to go to a library and other places.

by Anonymousreply 1802/15/2021

When the 1997 version of Titanic was released there was a slew of books on the Titanic published. I remember somebody came back to the office after lunch with a book and everybody raced out of the office across the road to buy the same book.

Lots of interest back then because of the film but I think since then there is little interest.

by Anonymousreply 1902/15/2021

Why should any man give his life in favour of a woman that is not his spouse or family? I never understood or accepted the bullshit "woman first" code. Fucking right I'd push a frau overboard for a seat on a lifeboat.

by Anonymousreply 2002/15/2021

R20 I agree. Though I would like to think that now it would be youngest first. However, the reality is is that it would be richest first.

by Anonymousreply 2102/15/2021

[quote][R20] I agree. Though I would like to think that now it would be youngest first.

NO! Minority groups. BAME.

Maybe we could use that ticket as homosexuals. I'd make sure of it.

by Anonymousreply 2202/15/2021

[quote]”Oh, THAT'S what an ash ejector system looked like!"

I wonder if bottoms could use something like this.

by Anonymousreply 2302/16/2021

Interesting that the only black passenger onboard wasn’t acknowledged until after the wreck was discovered.

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by Anonymousreply 2403/26/2021

I met a Titanic survivor fifty years after the sinking. Her husband went down with the ship. I "interviewed" her for a school project when I was in the fifth grade.

So yeah, I was and am fascinated, personally.

by Anonymousreply 2503/26/2021

I'm sitting here 700 miles from the wreck. Looking out my window at the Atlantic Ocean, if I could see far enough over the horizon I could actually see where it went down. Many of the bodies were brought here to Halifax, and buried, especially in Fairview Cemetery. We also have an assortment of Titanic artifacts in the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic.

by Anonymousreply 2603/26/2021

[quote]I'm not very fascinated by the Titanic, personally.

It's not The Titanic, just Titanic.

by Anonymousreply 2703/26/2021

[quote]It's not The Titanic, just Titanic.

I'm going to hang onto the the - if you don't mind.

by Anonymousreply 2803/26/2021

R2, Titanic was ballyhooed; your ship wasn't. Plus, the whole manifold SNAFU aspect. The wealthy and famous dead.

by Anonymousreply 2903/26/2021

P.S. "Titanic" does not take the article "the."

by Anonymousreply 3003/26/2021

[quote][R20]I agree. Though I would like to think that now it would be youngest first.

Black trannies first!

by Anonymousreply 3103/26/2021

R1 you watch for free on YouTube

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by Anonymousreply 3203/26/2021

Well, it was sad. Yes it was sad. It was sad when the great ship went down. Husbands and wives, little bitty children lost their lives.

by Anonymousreply 3303/26/2021

[quote]the first class dining saloon had carpeting or linoleum (spoiler: linoleum).

Rich people puke too, why would they have carpet in a ship's dining room?

by Anonymousreply 3403/26/2021

I’m not fascinated by it either. There’s nothing compelling about the story.

by Anonymousreply 3503/26/2021

[quote] I like to think some day they will make a movie called "Trump" in which a group of people merrily sets sail on journey of hubris, lies & deceit, only to one day have the ship hit a (proverbial) ice berg

You don’t even have to get all proverbial on it — there were multiple instances of those Trump flotillas turning into mini-titanics, with ships sinking. Is that any surprise, really?

by Anonymousreply 3603/26/2021

There is no romance to the Gustloff. 10,000 Nazis, east Europeans, Russians. No first class 10 course dinners. Who gives a shit?

by Anonymousreply 3703/26/2021

R35 you aren’t fascinated by a tragic event that changed things in the maritime industry ? You aren’t fascinated by the back stories of those who survived and those who perished? You aren’t fascinated by the Olympic Class vessels? You sound boring to be honest.

by Anonymousreply 3803/26/2021

[quote]You aren’t fascinated by the back stories of those who survived and those who perished?

Not really. i don't get off on people's tragedies.

[quote]You aren’t fascinated by the Olympic Class vessels?

No.

[quote] You sound boring to be honest.

One thing I can be extremely confident about is that I'm not boring. You on the other hand...

by Anonymousreply 3903/26/2021

If Titanic was full of DLers, who would have been locked behind the cages, who would have been on the lifeboats first? So many questions.

Btw- Titanic fascinates me.

by Anonymousreply 4003/26/2021

OP I noticed how you didn’t answer my first question.

by Anonymousreply 4103/26/2021

[quote]If Titanic was full of DLers, who would have been locked behind the cages,

Those that make mama's mussy moist.

Who would have been on the lifeboats first?

Not the fat ones.

by Anonymousreply 4203/26/2021

R39, You sound defiantly pretentious, akin to those sorts who smugly state that they haven't watched TV since the Carter Administration.

The tale of "Titanic" is one of hubris, of Man's achievements vs. Nature's indifference, and so demands our attention (much like that of the "Challenger"), for hubris is humanity's Original Sin. Indeed, the gods were challenged from the very naming of the ship.

It is a Memento Mori, as the excessively wealthy perished with the desperately poor, neither taking anything with them.

Nevertheless, we find ourselves envious of the expression of wealth, of the no-expense-spared interior design and decor, as we ignore the conditions of the hold, just as the rich did.

The demise of "Titanic" is a tragedy of epic but also human-scaled proportions, of pride, hope, arrogance, complacency, fear, heroism, cowardice, nobility, love.

Ultimately, and quite unlike many past events, this moment in history compels us to ask of ourselves: "How would I have behaved?"

It is the struggle within one's soul to find the honest answer that comprises our true fascination with "Titanic."

by Anonymousreply 4303/27/2021

[quote][R39], You sound defiantly pretentious

No I don't but you do, as is VERY CLEARLY evident from your post.

by Anonymousreply 4403/27/2021

R44, I readily admit to not being humble.

by Anonymousreply 4503/27/2021

But if OP isn't fascinated by "the" [italic]Titanic[/italic], why post about it? You must find some fascination with it or else would wouldn't have posted such a troll-esque thread. I don't post in threads if they aren't about something I know about/are interested in. I think most people are like that, yeah?

by Anonymousreply 4603/27/2021

Why did someone ask why other people like golf, R46? Someone asked that a week or so ago, and there was a good discussion of something few of us like. Sometimes people are just curious.

And I agree that the story of the Titannic is memorable as the neatest example of the perils of Hubris in the 20th century, and that's something the world always needs to be reminded of. But even though I'm so prone to obsessive interests that I take birding vacations, that's one wormhole I've never wanted to dive into. But it's interesting to hear about why others like it.

by Anonymousreply 4703/27/2021

R43 here. And I'm going to posit one other reason for people's interest.

In its better expression, it is "There but for the grace of God, go I."

But more realistically, it is "Those people don’t know what's in store for them. But WE know it's death, and we're enthralled!"

The frisson of imminent death---of others.

by Anonymousreply 4803/27/2021

[quote] I’m not fascinated by it either. There’s nothing compelling about the story.

You probably think "The Real Housewives" are riveting.

by Anonymousreply 4903/28/2021

R6 You can be blasé about some things, Rose, but not about Titanic.

by Anonymousreply 5003/28/2021

And now we have ships five times her size that can potentially carry twice her complement.

by Anonymousreply 5104/05/2021

I go through cycles every few years with Titanic, where I'm intensely interested in finding out everything I can about it, reading obscure bios of obscure people on board, watching real-time sinkings of the ship and the Movie, etc, etc. And then there are long periods where it doesn't even cross my mind (and I forget some of what I learned during the last cycle). I actually had a Titanic binge earlier this year and am currently in a latent phase, but the anniversary is coming up and I already know I'm going to watch the Titanic: Honor & Glory livestream because there are some questions I want to ask those experts.

by Anonymousreply 5204/05/2021

As I child and young adult I was fascinated with Titanic. Books, movies, you name it. Then I saw Cameron's and I lost complete interest. It's like it just flushed it from my system-don't know why (although I thought the movie sucked).

by Anonymousreply 5304/05/2021

And had she survived, [italic]Titanic[/italic] would have been the world’s largest ship for only one year; then the Germans launched their Imperator-class liners. The first ships to exceed 900 feet in length and 50,000 GRT. Everything would have turned out quite different.

by Anonymousreply 5404/05/2021

I'm still pissed that old lady threw the diamond in the water, what the hell was she thinking?

by Anonymousreply 5504/05/2021

Tell us what else doesn't interest you, OP. PLEASE.

by Anonymousreply 5604/05/2021

YOU, r56...and spastic posts like yours.

by Anonymousreply 5704/05/2021

The glamour, the shameless “apartheid” separating the classes, the grandeur of the world’s “fastest and largest cruise liner”, the fact that it sank on its maiden voyage...

Still fascinating.

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by Anonymousreply 5804/05/2021

Giving the choice of drowning or eating Barbara Stanwyck's pussy.

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by Anonymousreply 5904/05/2021

I was fascinated by it as a kid because the wreck hadn't yet been found, then was fascinated once it had been. The mismanagement and unnecessary deaths made a compelling story. As an adult (and after the last few years especially) it doesn't seem so strange and unique anymore, it seems like just another few thousands deaths because of incompetence and greed.

by Anonymousreply 6004/05/2021

Titanic was NOT a cruise ship or a cruise liner. She was an ocean liner. Big difference r58.

by Anonymousreply 6104/05/2021

I'm surprised they haven't made a modern-day movie about one of these newer "floating cities" sinking. We could all use a 2021 Poseidon-like action flick. I'm sure the cruise industry wouldn't want it but I'd love to see, say, an unsuspecting kid going down one of those water slides at the moment of impact, only to end up landing in the ocean and chewed up by a great white shark.

by Anonymousreply 6204/05/2021

"personally" ... as opposed to professionally?

Same with R25

by Anonymousreply 6304/05/2021

[quote] Even as a child I could spot injustice.

R18 Have you put that skill to use in your life?

by Anonymousreply 6404/05/2021

I think I have sufficient knowledge of the ship, the event, the aftermath, the music list, the interior design details (middling), some of the dishes listed on the shop's menus, the marine archaeology prospects, and could prattle off a fair number of survivors/victims. I knew all this by the time I was 12 or so, and my curiosity hang increased since.

It's a compelling story but not so much in it's retelling and retelling again.

by Anonymousreply 6504/05/2021

R5 'Apartheid' is an ugly word for a normal human character trait.

by Anonymousreply 6604/05/2021

as a young teenager not only was I interested in the Titanic but the Andrea Doria, the Lusitania and any other sinkings I could find. I am terrified of water and decided I must have been on a ship that sunk and I drowned in a past life.

by Anonymousreply 6704/05/2021

It’s only morbid if you want to look at the dead people washed ashore.

by Anonymousreply 6804/05/2021

White nationalist @ R66. Jack Donovan, maybe?

Only on Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 6904/05/2021

My grandmother was on the Andrea Doria's sister ship, the Pia Zadora.

by Anonymousreply 7004/05/2021

I love my fanny

by Anonymousreply 7104/05/2021

R58 If you go seeking shameful things, you will find them. If you go seeking shameless things, you will find them.

by Anonymousreply 7204/05/2021

[quote]My grandmother was on the Andrea Doria's sister ship, the Pia Zadora.

Their was also the Doria Exploria.

by Anonymousreply 7304/05/2021

Totally obsessed in childhood. I have no idea why, but I was really into ghost stories and the Bermuda Triangle and stuff so I think it ticked those same boxes. It still gives me the eerie Jeebies even now. Youtube has a bunch of real-time re-enactments. I watched one on the anniversary night once, while reading accounts, just to give myself the spooks I guess. Definitely morbid curiosity.

by Anonymousreply 7404/05/2021

When I was 16 in 1996, I spent 9 months in a psychiatric ward. One of the other teenagers there was obsessed with the Titanic. He could quote facts/figures and also made a detailed drawing of the inside of the Titanic using one of those large paper rolls. I've often wondered what his opinion of James Cameron's film was, which was released a year later. I don't think he would have cared much for the fictional love story. He was only interested in the mechanics/history of Titanic.

by Anonymousreply 7504/05/2021

Did they ever find any of Mrs. Charlotte Wardle Cardeza's luggage? And what about the jeweled copy of the Omar Khayyam’s Rubaiyyat?

by Anonymousreply 7604/05/2021

[quote]Their was

Oh dear.

by Anonymousreply 77Last Tuesday at 6:40 AM

Folks will fetishize anything.

by Anonymousreply 78Last Wednesday at 8:58 AM

Watching SOS Titanic on Kanopy. A beautiful screenplay tempered by sloppy sets and cheapo special effects. David Warner plays a role in this as a second class passenger. He was Lovejoy in James Cameron's [italic]Titanic[/italic].

by Anonymousreply 79Last Wednesday at 5:16 PM

It's a handsome vessel.

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by Anonymousreply 80Last Wednesday at 7:13 PM

Did anyone watch the 1996 miniseries starring a then unknown Catherine Zeta-Jones, Peter Gallagher, and DL fave Mike Doyle looking very lovely. It even had a rape scene (of course) courtesy of Tim Curry.

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by Anonymousreply 81Last Wednesday at 9:59 PM

I liked the 1979 TV version of SOS Titanic even though some of the effects were crude. First, it was the first film version in color and second I loved Cloris Leachman as Molly Brown. The original was three hours but the European version was different and subsequent home video versions were different from that, all due to different cuts that were made.

Meanwhile. someone above mentioned that she was the largest and fastest liner in the world. Only partially true although a common misconception. She and her sister ship Olympic were designed to be the largest and most luxurious ships afloat but not the fastest. At the time it would have been too expensive. They were fast ships but not in a league with the Cunard sisters Mauritania and Lusitania for speed. Thus, contrary to popular legend, she was not trying to set a speed record and in fact was running below her own projected top speed at the time of the collision. She was, by design, incapable of setting a speed record.

by Anonymousreply 82Last Wednesday at 11:28 PM

Another classic film with a Titanic-like plot is [italic]History is Made at Night[/italic] with Charles Boyer and Jean Arthur. It has some camp elements in it that could appeal to some DLers...

by Anonymousreply 83Last Thursday at 6:44 AM

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by Anonymousreply 84Last Thursday at 6:46 AM

^ Jean is strangling Charles.

For years I've wondered how to pronounce 'Frank Borzage'. I had assumed it was 'Bor-zarj' but I heard someone say 'Bor-zargie'.

by Anonymousreply 85Last Thursday at 12:57 PM

^^^Yes, Frank's family hailed from Trieste, when it was part of Austria-Hungary...he was Italian and some other ethnicities. And not bad looking. Could have been an actor himself.

by Anonymousreply 86Last Thursday at 2:57 PM

[quote] not bad looking

He has an extraordinary cleft chin. And I note he hired Dane Clark (who looks like his twin)

by Anonymousreply 87Last Thursday at 5:40 PM

R82 thank you for your additions - I had no idea. Learnt something new.

by Anonymousreply 88Last Thursday at 11:37 PM

Titanic movies are like pizzas. It's hard to make a bad one.

by Anonymousreply 89Last Friday at 12:09 AM

There was a third sister ship: Britannic.

She was sunk, too.

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by Anonymousreply 90Last Friday at 12:19 AM

There’s a cheaply made movie about the [italic]Britannic[/italic] on YouTube. The man who portrayed the German spy masquerading as a priest is cute and Jacqueline Bisset has a role in it as well.

by Anonymousreply 91Last Friday at 6:44 AM

There is a fascinating National Geographic special about Britannic from back in the '80s or '90s. It was released on home video but I have no idea what its current availability is.

There are early White Star promotional materials calling her Gigantic but when she was formally announced her name had been changed to Britannic. The legend is her name was changed after the Titanic disaster so as not to sound too pompous or tempt fate.

by Anonymousreply 92Last Friday at 2:52 PM

Did you know that there was a passenger cargo vessel called LESBIAN?

The crew were cunning linguists.

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by Anonymousreply 93Last Friday at 3:04 PM

As you might have gleaned from the posts above, The White Star Line traditionally named their ships ending in "ic" (Olympic, Homeric, Teutonic, Oceanic) while Cunard traditionally named their ships ending in "ia" (Lusitania, Aquitania, Carpathia, Carmania), with only a handful of exceptions.

This tradition probably helped establish this apocryphal story, which is doubted by most maritime historians but is still repeated:

Cunard decided to build the largest and grandest ship afloat and name her Queen Victoria. Cunard's directors sought an audience with King George V (the current Queen's grandfather) to seek Royal approval. After presenting him with designs, blueprints and paintings, they requested to name her after England's most illustrious Queen. Before they could say another word, the King interrupted with "My wife will be delighted." Thus RMS Queen Mary got her name.

During the Great Depression of the 1930s, both White Star and Cunard were suffering tremendously and each petitioned the Government for financial subsidies. The Government agreed on the condition that the two lines merge. They became Cunard-White Star but eventually the White Star part was dropped.

by Anonymousreply 94Yesterday at 2:03 AM

^ Cunard is now a subsidiary of Carnival. The Cunard flagship Queen Mary 2 is now the only ship considered a true ocean liner, built to cross the North Atlantic in all weather, as opposed to a cruise ship.

by Anonymousreply 95Yesterday at 2:26 AM

R95 what's the difference?

by Anonymousreply 96Yesterday at 2:29 AM

You don't want to be on a ship designed to cruise the Caribbean during a heavy winter storm in the North Atlantic.

by Anonymousreply 97Yesterday at 2:39 AM

OP comes off as deeply retarded.

by Anonymousreply 98Yesterday at 2:41 AM

A liner, as opposed to a cruise ship, will have stronger steel plates...noticeably thicker. Also, I think, a longer bow that can cut through rough water. And a deeper draft, so she sits deeper in the water, making her more stable. I’m sure that I have forgotten something...

by Anonymousreply 99Yesterday at 4:06 AM

What about those cruise ships that go all the way from Mexico to Alaska and vice-versa?

by Anonymousreply 100Yesterday at 4:14 AM

Cruise ships also sail closer to land, where the seas aren’t as rough. The only time that they are in deep water is during repositioning voyages...

by Anonymousreply 101Yesterday at 4:16 AM

True or not, r94, I thoroughly enjoyed that tale.

by Anonymousreply 102Yesterday at 4:20 AM

The White Star Line treated the survivors and relatives of the dead abominably, refusing to pay reimbursement to many.. They refused to accept any real responsibility for the disaster. And IMM, the owners of the WSL, used their might and connections in the British Board of Trade to whitewash the investigation and exonerate the shipowners. The American inquiry was a bit more thorough, but focused mainly on the head of the line Bruce Ismay.

by Anonymousreply 103Yesterday at 4:30 AM

R95 I believe they have three Cunard ocean liners now.

by Anonymousreply 104a day ago

No, R104, they have one bona fide liner, the QM2. The other two and the one currently being built are cruise ships, albeit with strongly plated bows for long distance cruising. They are not classified as ocean liners.

by Anonymousreply 105a day ago

R105 You are entirely correct. Although the new Queen Mary 2 does do some cruises, including an annual round-the-world cruise each winter, it is a liner and not a cruise ship both because of its heavier design (meant to withstand mid-and-north-Atlantic weather) and because its principal purpose is "line voyages" or crossings between two points, these being New York and Southampton, for roughly half the year.

by Anonymousreply 10621 hours ago

Thanks R106.

I know a few people who've done repositioning (transoceanic) cruises on cruise liner. Because of their shallow drafts and topheavy design, they slap on top of the water in rough seas and the bow almost disappears.

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