"Churchill was worse than the Nazis"

You're an embarrassment, OP.

Churchill College is more of an embarrassment, r1.

OP is the racist asshole who insanely and repeatedly supported the lie that the NYPD cops were served poisoned milkshakes.

How the fuck is it racist to believe cops who said they's been poisoned? I lived right next to that ShakeShack and it seemed believable enough to me when they claimed it.

Also, what does this have to do with Churchill College Cambridge declaring that Churchill was worse than the Nazis? Do you believe that, r3? That the man who defeated the Nazis was "worse than the Nazis"?

Too late. You BLEW IT the first time.

These people are paid by the taxpayer.

They are preaching hysteria

OP Why did you post the same story to three times, you useless cunt.

Die in a fucking greasefire, r5.

Obviously Churchill is better than the Nazis.

He remains evil though for allowing 3 million Indians to die from starvation while he stole Indian grain to feed English people during WW2.

I'd put him on a par with Mussolini - although Churchill killed more people .

The new left.

R7 the first time, the fucking retarded OP accidentally wrote "Hitler is worst than the Nazis."

OP is an inept, shit-stirring cunt.

The Indian professor tweeted "White Lives Don't Matter" and the Univ stood by her. Cunt.

Maybe that "limited" black professor should say "the Catholic Church was worse than the Nazis!" They killed more people than the British Empire.

Cambridge didn't just 'stand by her', they promoted her several jobs up, to the highest academic rank at the University, "Professor".

Unlike in American universities, at Oxford and Cambridge the title "Professor" is a relatively rare honor. There are many fewer of them than there are "Readers" etc, who form the majority of the tutors there.

That's fucked up. ^^^

r4 Churchill wasn't worse than the Nazis, but he was a truly evil and murderous racist. Why are you so invested in defending him and lying cops?

Link R9?

Because it's ridiculous to say he is "worse than the Nazis", and its shameful that it is being said at his namesake, r16. I'm invested because I went to Cambridge and it breaks my heart and infuriates me to see this kind of intellectual dishonesty happening there.

Cambridge is full of Communists. Nothing to see here.

r17

"it seemed believable enough to me when they claimed it."

Well, if it's good enough for Miss OP, it should be good enough for the rest of us.

R20's link does not fully support R9.

So much white anger.

"To achieve the extirpation of Nazi tyranny there are no lengths of violence to which we will not go."

-Winston Churchill

"From now on we shall bomb Germany on an ever-increasing scale, month by month, year by year, until the Nazi regime has either been exterminated by us or - better still - torn to pieces by the German people themselves."

-Winston Churchill

"Hope has returned to the hearts of scores of millions of men and women, and with that hope there burns the flame of anger against the brutal, corrupt invader ... In a dozen famous ancient States now prostrate under the Nazi yoke, the masses of the people ... await the hour of liberation ... That hour will strike, and its solemn peal will proclaim that the night is past and that the dawn has come."

-Winston Churchill

After the Battle of Britain the Luftwaffe were no longer able to Blitz London, Coventry and the rest; the tables were turned and the RAF and allies started to Blitz German cities, increasingly harshly. The Luftwaffe were powerless to respond effectively having lost their supremacy in the air.

"“I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this Government, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many long months of toil and struggle.

“You ask what is our policy. I will say, it is to wage war with all our might, with all the strength that God can give us, to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime.

“You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory. Victory at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory however long and hard the road may be. For without victory there is no survival.”

-Winston Churchill

He said all of the above and more, he hated the Nazis with an intense passion, he defeated them, and yet now he's "worse than the Nazis"?

Churchill worse than Hitler?

"Let me tell you this! And you're getting it straight from the horse. Hitler was better looking than Churchill, he was a better dresser than Churchill, he had more hair and he told funnier jokes and he could dance the pants off of Churchill!"

r24 Churchill's policies caused millions of Indians to die of starvation and disease. Those deaths did not help to defeat the Nazis. Do you find those "lengths of violence" acceptable?

The Churchill Society addressing the Bengali Famine accusation:

"We asked author Herman to elaborate. He writes: “The idea that Churchill was in any way ‘responsible’ or ‘caused’ the Bengal famine is of course absurd. The real cause was the fall of Burma to the Japanese, which cut off India’s main supply of rice imports when domestic sources fell short, which they did in Eastern Bengal after a devastating cyclone in mid-October 1942. It is true that Churchill opposed diverting food supplies and transports from other theaters to India to cover the shortfall: this was wartime. Some of his angry remarks to Amery don’t read very nicely in retrospect. However, anyone who has been through the relevant documents reprinted in The [India] Transfer of Power volumes knows the facts:

“Churchill was concerned about the humanitarian catastrophe taking place there, and he pushed for whatever famine relief efforts India itself could provide; they simply weren’t adequate. Something like three million people died in Bengal and other parts of southern India as a result. We might even say that Churchill indirectly broke the Bengal famine by appointing as Viceroy Field Marshal Wavell, who mobilized the military to transport food and aid to the stricken regions (something that hadn’t occurred to anyone, apparently).”

The salient facts are that despite his initial expressions about Gandhi, Churchill did attempt to alleviate the famine. As William Manchester wrote, Churchill “always had second and third thoughts, and they usually improved as he went along. It was part of his pattern of response to any political issue that while his early reactions were often emotional, and even unworthy of him, they were usually succeeded by reason and generosity.” (The Last Lion, Boston: 1982, I: 843-44).

The Unconsidered Factor: World War II If the famine had occurred in peacetime, it would have been dealt with effectively and quickly by the Raj, as so often in the past. At worst, Churchill’s failure was not sending more aid—in the midst of fighting a war for survival. And the war, of course, is what Churchill’s slanderers avoid considering.

Martin Gilbert writes about the situation at the time: “The Japanese were on the Indian border with Burma—indeed inside India at Kohima and Imphal in the state of Assam. Gandhi’s Quit India movement, and Subhas Chandra Bose’s Indian National Army then fighting alongside the Japanese provided the incentive for a full-scale Japanese invasion. The Royal Air Force and the Army were fully stretched. We know what terrors the Japanese wreaked n non-Japanese natives in Korea, the Philippines, and Malaya.” If the RAF planes supporting India’s defense were pulled off for a famine airlift, far more than three million would have died. The blame for insufficient famine relief lies with those who prevented those planes from being used: the Japanese.

The case against Churchill collapses when we consider the war—just like the oft-repeated complaints that he did nothing for Australia after Japan attacked, or that he didn’t attend Roosevelt’s funeral out of pique or envy. There was a war on. More pressing military matters were at hand which governed his actions and decisions."

There appears to be a lack of evidence R31.

Not only is there a lack of evidence implicating Churchill, but there is hard, incontrovertible evidence that the Japanese allies of the Nazis themselves caused the Bengali Famine. Churchill was unable to stop it, but he did nothing to cause it.

There was a drastic shortage of food in Great Britain during WW2.

How were they expected to divert enough to also feed Bengal?

Look at how tiny the rations were for each British person:

People in Britain were at near starvation levels at times during WW2

Churchill also sacrificed many white civilians to further the war effort against the Nazis allowing towns to be destroyed in order to keep intelligence on Nazi codes secret.

WW2 was dreadful for the British. Everyone made a point of trying to act cheerfully because they were starving and being blown out of their homes and losing their sons and husbands at an astonishing rate.

^^^ I should have finished that comment with: Acting cheerfully became a kind of national goal because the daily reality was so dreadful that it simply couldn't be talked about out loud very often.

About the Indians- a beastly people with a beastly religion".

Another nasty drunk Brit, fat ugly bastard.

The sourcing of Churchill's racist epithets are largely unreliable.

For R40

Please r41 Point us to the rebuttal of these non racist epithets. There seems to be a great number of vile things attributed to him which means they are likely true. Or perhaps everyone is just picking on the old curmudgeon. Where there's smoke there's fire usually, as they say.

This article goes through the sources of his supposed racial epithets:

Everyone was racist 70 years ago. So what's the point?

The point is to destroy the great victory the Britons sacrificed for in WW2, and to take away any pride they might have over that amazing achievement.

When will the deportations of these troublemakers start?

I read the last volume of the trilogy about the war in England (The Gathering Storm, etc.) and it wasn't exactly wholehearted in its praise of Churchill. He was told many times that the agents he was sending into Europe were all getting rounded up, tortured and killed but he continued to send them, anyway, saying it was worth it for the info. I don't think I'd be able to do it, but then I'm not a peer's son who ran a country, either.

"Woke" racism and bigotry.

Never, r47. They've taken over Cambridge. They are the Establishment now, like it or not.

That's the risk those agents chose to take, r48, in order to ensure the Nazis would not win.

That's not the pov of the author of that definitive trilogy. He intimated that Churchill was reckless with other people's lives. I don't much admire the guy. Ever hear of Gallipolli?

Do you mean William Manchester, r52? Yes. He did a very balanced - and very readable - biography. I highly recommend the first two volumes as well as the final one you read, r48. A fantastic read.

Churchill was not Jesus Christ. He was flawed. But he is not to be compared with his arch-enemy, the Nazis. That is ahistorical bullshit.

Oh - sorry r52 - you meant the history of WW2 written by Churchill himself. Now that is a FANTASTIC, riveting read, but obviously biased in his favor. It's in six volumes. The Gathering Storm is the first. The next are:

Their Finest Hour

The Grand Alliance

The Hinge of Fate

Closing the Ring

Triumph and Tragedy

The Manchester sounds like what I read. The point isn't to play "who has the longest booklist," but to discuss the general assertion that Churchill and the Empire have a lot to answer for. But you can't discuss that with people who want the white Western world to be the wet dream they've always needed it to be. Nice alliteration, eh?

I wasn't playing a game, r55. I was recommending good reads.

Also, r55, why were you reading only the third installment of a series without reading the previous books?

You sound uneducated.

[quote] He was told many times that the agents he was sending into Europe were all getting rounded up, tortured and killed but he continued to send them, anyway, saying it was worth it for the info.

Are these poeple just daft or deliberately trying to make something look bad.

Every SOE agent knew exactly what to expect and that they had a short life span. Radio operators knew they coudl expect to last 3 days ebfore the Nazis would track them down. Just like soldiers storming the beach on D Day knew they would probably die. That is war. If you don't understand that then you have no business writing about it. That's like saying aurgeons hurt people and sometimes they kill them.

This is all utter nonsense. And as said aboove it is designed to rob people of pride in their country which is something the extreme left cannot abide.

Churchill's alleged misdeeds pale into insignificance when compared to the Catholic Church, world leader in abuse, oppression, discrimination, and genocide. It's no coincidence that it was the Catholic Church that assisted Nazis to escape European prosecution for war crimes and genocide.

They're not daft, r58. They're woke racists.

The "Professor" in the story was born a Brahmin princess. She's more privileged than 98% of the world. And yet she is clamoring for more privilege still.

^^^I'm sorry, I misspoke. She's more privileged than 99.9% of the world, and still wants more privilege.

[quote] I don't much admire the guy. Ever hear of Gallipolli?

Ever hear of the Western Front meatgrinder? The Gallipoli campaign was signed off by the Allied general staffs as a flanking maneuver t o break the stalemate in France but the armies of the time just couldn't break the defensive power of trenches and machine guns. Somebody had to be the scapegoat and they could just as justifiably named Haig or Hamilton but the ball stopped on Winston.

[quote] They've taken over Cambridge. They are the Establishment now, like it or not

Woke Cambridge has been hostile to England for the last century. Some were exposed long after the damage was done. Others keep quietly burrowing in.

[quote] Maybe that "limited" black professor should say "the Catholic Church was worse than the Nazis!" They killed more people than the British Empire.

Prithee, wherefore doth thou thinketh I founded mine own church?

[quote]R18 I'm invested because I went to Cambridge and it breaks my heart and infuriates me to see this kind of intellectual dishonesty happening there.

You can give nothing more than a prejudiced, emotional response then, and should remove yourself from the discussion.

You can tell that Priyamvada Gopal was destined for academia - her brain is so big it barely fits in her head.

For those outside of the UK you have to appreciate that this discussion from figures on the left of politics is not just about what Churchill got badly wrong in India and other parts of the British Empire, it's what he did right in defeating Hitler and stopping the extermination of Jews. They simply refuse to acknowledge that Churchill's actions in standing up to Hitler was the right thing to do and that the UK paid a huge price for it.

Priyamvada Gopal is a notorious antisemite who is obsessed with Israel and Jews and has used her platform to dismiss all complaints made by Jewish people about the increase in antisemitism, in particular in the Labour Party, which was found guilty of the unlawful discrimination and harassment of Jews. She sees Jews as a people of excessive privilege and herself as a perscuted minority, despite her family's wealth and her private education in Vienna. She complained that she was the victim of racism when a porter at her university addressed her as Ma'am, rather than Dr Gopal. She's also jumped on the trans bandwagon recently and argues that women wanting to retain sex based protections in law are white supremacists.

This is a tweet from Goyal last month. China are committing genocide against the Uighurs, Syria has between 400,000 and 500,000 dead, chemical weapons used, hospitals bombed, but she can't condemn it outright, it has to be a begrudging commentary that Europe and the US are still ultimately worse.

[quote]Just because powerful elements in the West misuse accounts of misdeeds in the non-West, doesn't mean terrible things don't happen. Denial of massacres or ethnic cleansing, whether in India, China or Syria is not a good look for the left, and it's certainly not anti-imperialism.

Kehindre Andrews was commissioned by The Guardian to attack the former Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks, when Sacks spoke out about Corbyn's anti Jewish racism. And at the 2019 election Andrews supported Corbyn as being a proud anti racist candidate, despite Labour being investigated by the EHRC at the time. Andrews has recently published a book about the British Empire which has been savaged by most reviewers.

Andrews is probably the most clear-cut example of the idea that anything produced by an academic in a '- Studies' dept is worthless.

Churchill had plans for the Royal Air Force to gas the entire island of Ireland in the event of the Germans invading the island. The whole island. He didn't give a flying fuck about his majesty's loyal protestant subjects in Northern Ireland.

I agree! We should have spent more time empathising with Hitler’s feelings and acquiring some of his paintings.

[quote]Andrews is probably the most clear-cut example of the idea that anything produced by an academic in a '- Studies' dept is worthless.

I didn't got to university and most of my life I've done jobs where I've worked alongside graduates who progress more easily through the system because of their degree but are no less skilled.

Being a university lecturer or professor was always a role that carried a sense of respect and stature with it, but since lecturers have been let loose on social media, it's clear that academic qualifications do not mean basic human intelligence or being rational or decent. Twitter has made me glad I didn't go to university to be taught by these cretinous twats.

Hitler was better looking than Churchill, he was a bit addresses and Churchill, he had more hair, he told funnier jokes, and he could dance the pants off of Churchill!

CHURCHILL!

Hitler was better looking than Churchill, he was a better dresser and Churchill, he had more hair, he told funnier jokes, and he could dance the pants off of Churchill!

CHURCHILL!!!!!!

I can imagine how her life would’ve ended up had Churchill not defeated the Nazis. Hint: She wouldn’t be a Professor in the English State of Germany.

I stated this fact in October 2018

Kehindre Andrews was on a BBC show yesterday and had a discussion with another black man about racism and student achievement.

I wouldn't necessarily describe Calvin Robinson as right wing, but he's a populist contrarian type who gets promoted by the anti BBC, anti lockdown types.

Naturally Robinson received a huge amount of criticism, mostly racially charged, and the BBC got loads of criticism for allowing him on to challenge the views of Andrews.

But ultimately everyone's a winner - Andrews gets to talk about his book on race and get some sales from it and boosts his profile, Robinson boosts his profile which will see him invited on to more shows to offers his opinions and the BBC get some trend worthy scenes to promote their show. The only loser is basic decency.

I dare say most white people in the UK during Churchill's time were racist. Many still are.

Racism is a subset of tribalism. People from different (competing) cities, schools, companies, etc. often hate each other as well. The only thing you can do, is to stop it from escalating. I don’t believe you can fully weed it out.

Academics are worse than the Nazis.

While there are probably exceptions here and there in both directions, able scholars generally end up in traditional departments - History, English, Classics, even Sociology. It's the less competent or the agenda-driven polemicists (there's often an overlap) who end up in '- Studies' departments.

I knew about this years ago. Of course, fragile white people take issue with the facts.

And saying so and so was worse does not take away his evil doings. What a pathetic argument.

[quote]And saying so and so was worse does not take away his evil doings

Using hyperbolic words such as "evil" as a blanket description renders both language and history meaningless. But then that's the method to the hyperbolic madness.

At least it’s good to know that British black people are just as tiresome and exhausting as American black people.

Blacks are not tiresome. They simply display the same attitudes that any group would display who'd been oppressed for centuries. If the situation was reversed and whites were a minority underclass treated by blacks the same way blacks have been treated by whites you'd be calling British whites as tiresome as American whites.

[quote]They simply display the same attitudes that any group would display who'd been oppressed for centuries.

Interesting that it's only Blacks who whinge endlessly about "oppression". While other minority groups just as oppressed and often far more, including Whites in Africa, just get on with it.

R46 nailed it.

[quote]There seems to be a great number of vile things attributed to him which means they are likely true.

The state of trolling on DL in 2021. We deserve better.

R32, what the analysis plainly leaves out is all the documented evidence of Churchill actually saying that Indians were basically animals who didn’t deserve any pity or extra effort during the famine

The claim that Churchill defeated the Nazis is a bit hyperbolic. Sure, he helped prevent the total destruction of London and other parts of England but that’s about it

[quote] While other minority groups just as oppressed and often far more, including Whites in Africa, just get on with it.

Whites in South Africa have "just got on with it"? What planet are you living on. After Mandela took over whites in South Africa were whining and moaning like mad especially when the land they stole from black S. Africans was taken back. They were only "getting on with it" when they were in complete power and were keeping the blacks in S. Africa smashed down.

R88 But Whites in Africa DID get on with it. When they realized that despite being in Africa for centuries, Black racism is no different to White and that Black despots are far more interested in absolute power than governance. That they are a minority with no rights and whinging endlessly gets them nothing. Same as Jews. Same as East Asians and Hispanics. Oppressed minorities who simply got on with it and made their best they could of their lives.

What will this mean for the world? Global economies might become unstable! Human lives are at risk! WE MUST TAKE ACTION!

Here he is on television debating. It’s as bad as you can imagine. Can’t answer a fucking thing. Typical idiot paid to just run his mouth. Everything is terrible, nothing will ever be good enough, and he’s a Marxist to boot. You can just imagine what he thinks of Jews.

[quote]The claim that Churchill defeated the Nazis is a bit hyperbolic. Sure, he helped prevent the total destruction of London and other parts of England but that’s about it

If Churchill hadn't the stand that he did and opposed Chamberlain's appeasement the world would be a very different place today.

The Nazis wouldn't have been defeated just by the UK, only dickheads claim that and underestimate the contribution of Russia and America, in addition to the armies from Commonwealth countries who fought for the allies, but Churchill was a vital part.