Evan Rachel Wood accuses Marilyn Manson of sexual assault and abuse

This is the least of my Monday morning concerns.

She dated him for over 5 years. That’s not abuse - it’s codependency.

She testified about this last year. Is there a reason she's Instagramming about it right now? Did more victims come out recently?

This is no surprise to me and reminds me of an old article I read. Spacehog toured with Marilyn Manson and in Spin or Rolling Stone mag in the late 90s I think one of the band members said straight up that they disliked the crazy and horrible things MM band members were doing, like inserting hot dogs into adolescent girls’ vaginas. I have no idea why that didn’t raise red flags when it was said so publicly.

I have no doubt that Evan Rachel Wood was abused by Brian Warner; it fits with the prior info and ERW was barely an adult when they started dating.

Look at him, you stupid bitch! What did you expect, Ward Cleaver?! Jesus, women are fucking stupid.

The name of my abuser is Brian Warner, also known to the world as Marilyn Manson.

He started grooming me when I was a teenager and horrifically abused me for years. I was brainwashed and manipulated into submission. I am done living in fear of retaliation, slander, or blackmail. I am here to expose this dangerous man and call out the many industries that have enabled him, before he ruins any more lives. I stand with the many victims who will no longer be denied massive media coverage and much needed attention through victimhood.*

Fixed it.

It would be newsworthy if he didn't abuse her.

Does no one go to the police any more?

...And—boom!—under 10 replies before sexist BS replies come in. How sadly predictable, DL.

This is insane. The cognitive dissonance of women is off the charts. Creatures that are this confused should be kept in boarding schools until 25. Women nowadays are so borderline and most of them reconfigure events afterwards when they get burned. Women have no credibility and don’t value the truth, most of them are nuts now. Scorned whores make you glad to be gay and not deal with these sloppy gashes.

R9 go fuck your Dad, Cunt!

Did she just dox him with his real name? LOL, will anyone be able to take him seriously anymore knowing his name is Brian?

Women talking about psychological abuse is real rich. If mental abuse was illegal, over half the women in this country would be in jail.

I'm not surprised. This guy is an ugly geek, in and out of makeup. He must hate attractive women for ignoring him his whole life, until he became rich and famous.

[quote]Did more victims come out recently?

His former assistant and another woman posted their stories. The second woman deleted her post, subsequently. The second woman talked about meeting him backstage, went to the tourbus with him, he offered her coke, told her to shower and "lovebombed her" telling her he knew her forever. He invited her back the next night and he "demanded" they make a blood pact so they cut themselves on broken glass.

Now, when does this comes down to personal responsibility? All this use of "gaslighting" and 'lovebombing" as if all these men are Rasputin, with Svengali-like power of manipulation.

How do write women so well...?

I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.

R10 not sure why you thought your article lent any credence to what you’re saying. It quoted Brian as saying he fantasized about smashing ERW’s head with a sledgehammer every day....yet it’s HER fault? ERW said he groomed her.

Some of you need to watch Surviving R Kelly to understand how women get slowly brainwashed by abusers.

[quote] She dated him for over 5 years. That’s not abuse - it’s codependency.

She’s got an answer docked away for that too. Basically, by asking that, you’re part of the problem:

“socked away”

R17 society & parents should analyze why they’ve raised such power-hungry fame whores who get in those situations by worshiping rock stars in the first place

I’ll file this away so you all get reincarnated as attractive young women that straight older men will go after and not leave alone for the rest of your life. Karma’s a bitch!

R10 In college I had a friend, a lovely and intelligent girl, who told me that because she had been abused by her stepfather she made a decision in her teens to not date until she was older and had worked through it.

considering the star, is anyone surprised? he basically portrayed himself as the antichrist

"If your first question is, "Why the hell did she swim in shark infested water?", instead of "Why the hell would the shark want to bite her?", then you are part of the problem that silences victims who willingly swim in shark infested waters and protect their shark attackers.

She says they started "dating" when she was 18 and he was 36. What in the hell did they have in common? I knew some guys in Canton, Ohio who went to high school with Brian Warner. They said he was poor, smelled of urine, and was made fun of often. I can believe he is a sadist now.

R24 agreed. Instead of, you know, making it harder for men to get away with this shit, let’s put it back on the women not to date them and DEFINITELY don’t accuse them years later when you developed some sense of self esteem and feel empowered through therapy or support. And there are so many healthy-minded straight men in the world who haven’t been raised as entitled to women’s bodies that these ladies should be dating instead, and women should be able to tell right away by looking at the men who’s safe and who isn’t. Oh wait.....

Rose McGowan herself dated him for a long time. I haven't heard anything bad about him from her.

Give her a minute, R27. She won't miss an opportunity to jump on this train. Asia Argento will be next.

Heterosexual men and women bait each other by living up to male and female courtship stereotypes

I know she was very young when she started dating him but did Evan ever apologize to Dita? You know, the wife she made fun of in interviews and then copied her style? Because that was kind of fucked up. I know that friends and family tried to warn her but she refused to listen.

The stories she is telling now are not surprising at all, there were tons of stories about Manson and creepy/abusive behavior.

Why can't you ask both questions? Why did he hit her and why did she stay?

This battle sometimes employs interesting ammunition. One of the main arguments against women’s rights in the 19th and early 20th centuries was that women were the weaker sex and incapable of fending for themselves against men, therefore requiring a man’s protection.

Women who stay with abusers and then say they were afraid to leave them often seem to be using very similar language.

Marilyn Manson? Really? But he seems so normal.

What'd she say about Dita?

I can see why she found him so attractive!

Why is that photo of teenage Jennifer Connelly posted? She and Warner must be the same age so he didn’t prey on her as a teen.

Not defending him since I have no doubt he's an abusive prick, but I think the word "grooming" gets tossed around way too easily now. She was 19 when they dated. Is she implying he had been working on her for years before that? If not, then how was she groomed? 19 is young, but if you're old enough to vote and old enough to serve in the military then you're old enough to make your own decisions about dating, even if they're terrible ones.

"society & parents should analyze why they’ve raised such power-hungry fame whores who get in those situations by worshiping rock stars in the first place"

Society and parents should analyze why they have raised so many sadistic men who live to abuse women, children and animals, oh, yeah, and kill gay men.

R12 Everyone knew he's name was Brian. It's not like it was some well kept secret.

R29 She's not a heterosexual woman. Her last few relationships were with women.

Liar

I just read an old interview with Dita Von Teese and I feel for her. She was actually in love with this disgusting creature and genuinely hurt when he left her for a barely legal girl. She said he was fucking ERW in their marital bed, which is why she didn't take any of the furnishings when she moved out of their house on Christmas Eve. I think this little homewrecker thought she was edgy and dangerous being with Brian Warner. It turned dangerous for real and she was somehow surprised?

I wonder what Evan thinks of this video now?

The problem with replies like r26 is that, even though they're right, it tells the malcontents of Datalounge that they can get a rise out of someone if they continue to say it's always the bitch's fault, never the man's.

The other day someone was saying a 3-year-old Judy Garland was very literally ASKING for all the abuse and mistreatment she received, because she was a fame whore of a toddler. They weren't joking, but I'm sure they only said it because they knew it would make someone mad.

Not saying at all that r26 shouldn't have posted, just noting the fact that any empathy or sympathy or even common decency on DL these days is nothing more than a trigger for stunted dipshits to be as grotesque as they possibly can.

Why does she keep randomly bringing this up?

R45 Randomly bringing it up? She never named him before. And if you were abused and the abuser was still successful you wouldn't bringing it up?

R24 men are animals who can't control themselves, what a tired stereotype. Try harder.

Rumor at the time was that they were really fucking in that stupid video "Heart-Shaped Glasses."

I wonder if Manson's best buddy Depp will defend him.

[quote]Randomly bringing it up? She never named him before. And if you were abused and the abuser was still successful you wouldn't bringing it up?

This is her first time naming him, but she’s hinted at it before. And if I was abused I would have got the fuck out of the relationship and not stayed with them for 5 years. There’s nothing that can be done at this point. This is why people need to speak the hell up and go to the police when it’s happening.

R50 Look at you being so brave.

Next thing you know Melanie and Ivanka are gonna come out saying they are the real victims of Trump and had no idea he was an obvious piece of shit.

The problem with women like ERW is that they all want fame and the bad boy that comes with it. Women have this ridiculous fantasy that their love will save a damaged misunderstood male. No. That damaged male will drag them down with them most of the time. But they refuse to realize this, and date horrible males and then play victim when people don’t take them as seriously as they wanted.

Anyone with a working brain knew Manson was a sick man the minute this relationship started so nobody is surprised.

Marilyn Manson sexually assaulted a security guard who was working at one his concerts way back in 2001, that is, years before dating ERW. This was widely covered in the music press at the time - even I, a 13yo in South America, learned about it from watching MTV, so I don't buy that ERW didn't know what she was walking into. Sadly, ERW is that kind of woman who misguidedly exploits her sexuality to project how quirky, how unique she is. She thought she would look cool by dating such a weird man as Brian, so his pervert sexuality must have looked appealing to her, at least in the beginning. That she was totally blind to who he was simply can't be believed.

Yes, Datalounge, explain women to me.

Here is a whole website devoted to him as an abuser. There are two videos of him punching her in the face but it appears to me as if she's going along with it. Kinky shit. Someone else said he documented his abuse of underage girls in his autobiography but I have not read it.

R55 is bizarre

Evan, thank you for speaking your truth.

Now get the fuck out of my way so I can make this all about me.

Rose has spoken.

She was always my least favorite on Charmed.

Gee, I never could have predicted that fucking a married man 18 years her senior who chooses to stay up all night taking drugs and sleep all day would have ended in tears.

So far, Rose has been proven right about everything.

[quote]I know she was very young when she started dating him but did Evan ever apologize to Dita? You know, the wife she made fun of in interviews and then copied her style?

Ooh, how did Evan make fun of Dita in the press?

He seems like one of those people who frames abuse as "artistry", in a 70s sort of way

R54 Yes. Cause women are the problem here. Not the guy that abused them.

[quote] So far, Rose has been proven right about everything.

Have you coughed up that undergraduate degree from Antioch yet, Ms. Reade?

I always get ERW confused with Dominique Swain.

Marilyn responds.

Rose says he never hurt her but she believes Evan

Well, straight men seem to think drugging and raping women isn't a big deal so his statement doesn't surprise me.

It’s really more of a surprise when straight men turn out to not be abusive predators.

Dear sourgirl, I'm confused. The first time you met him, he acted psychotic, but you gave him your number and came back the next night?

There will always be fucked up people wired to be abusive. We need to give young people the toolset to know the warning signs and to jump for the escape hatch.

I wonder what Rob Zombie and Sheri Moon Zombie think of all this.

That Sheri can star in the movie

What’s with these people posting blocks of text on Instagram? It is NOT for THAT. Take a picture or something, put the text in the goddamn caption area.

“My experience with domestic violence was this. Toxic mental, physical, and sexual abuse, which started slow, but escalated over time, including threats against my life, severe gaslighting and brainwashing, waking up to the man that claimed to love me raping what he believed to be my unconscious body, and the worst part, sick rituals of binding me up by my hands and feet to be mentally and physically tortured until my abuser felt I had “proven my love for them.”

In this moment, while I was tied up and being beaten and being told unspeakable things, I truly felt like I could die, not just because my abuser said to me, “I could kill you right now.” But because in that moment, I felt like I left my body. I was too afraid to run, he would find me. I was too afraid to fight back, he had threatened to kill me before.

I was too afraid to have him turn on me, I knew what would happen if he got angry.”

From her statement on domestic violence.

I guess their relationship wasn't such a dope show afterall.

Jesus Christ, go to the police not Instagram.

Golly - who'd have ever thought entering into a relationship with THIS might come with the risk of abuse?

{R78} Do you know anything about domestic abuse?

Sometimes going to the police means being killed. Historically the police have been notoriously skittish about pressing charges against abusers and women are absolutely right to mistrust that process. Everyone should know by now that the victim of abuse is most vulnerable when they try to leave. The misogyny on this thread is disgusting. And no, I’m not a “frau”.

Sometimes I fucking hate datalounge. The trope of women reporting abuse to get attention is beyond tired. It’s so brave to spew hatred on an anonymous site guys! Assholes.

R24 Men aren't sharks you rancid piece of shit.

"I was 22 and he was 46"

I can't believe she fixed her fingers to type that. At what age does personal responsibility kick in? If you are 22 are someone says "I'm going to bite you" and you come back for round 2, then you get what you deserve. And if that makes me evil and anti-woman then so be it. But this is some dumb shit. I don't blame Marilyn Manson, I blame her parents for letting her stupid ass out of the house.

“I can't believe she fixed her fingers to type that. At what age does personal responsibility kick in? If you are 22 are someone says "I'm going to bite you" and you come back for round 2, then you get what you deserve. And if that makes me evil and anti-woman then so be it. But this is some dumb shit. I don't blame Marilyn Manson, I blame her parents for letting her stupid ass out of the house..”

You stupid prick. 22 year olds are morons, 46 year olds aren’t in most cases. But keep Uncle Tom’ing for violent abusive straight men if that gets you hard.

I understand that victims need to be supported, and historically they haven't. But..."why did you stay" is still a valid question, especially when a victim has means

[quote]You stupid prick. 22 year olds are morons, 46 year olds aren’t in most cases. But keep Uncle Tom’ing for violent abusive straight men if that gets you hard.

What other excuses are you going to make for that idiot. That she didn't grasp the concept of coming in out of the rain? People like you R83 are the reason why we have so much foolishness in this country. If you're old enough to drink legally, to vote, then you are old enough to know that you don't stick around with a man who tells you he's gonna bite you and do blood ceremonies. Personal responsibility.

Why would women who are above poverty level date him? He’s disgusting and not too bright and all of these women had their own sources of income it’s not like they were working at wal mart and desperately needed his money.

When you have money, there comes a point where the decisions made are not money motivated.

What is this bitch complaining about? She should just STFU.

There's bigger fish to fry.

[quote]Why would women who are above poverty level date him? He’s disgusting and not too bright and all of these women had their own sources of income it’s not like they were working at wal mart and desperately needed his money.

Because the women apparently weren’t too bright themselves. So many women think dating a “bad boy” is fun...until they’re the receiving end of the “bad” part.

She was divine as Veda in the MILDRED PIERCE remake.

His face should be enough of a warning for women to stay away

I know he cheated on her badly with ERW but I hope he never hit or sexually abused Dita. She's a very nice, polite and well adjusted woman. I've seen her house on instagram and it is beautifully decorated. So it seemed weird that someone as classy, elegant and refined as her would marry him. I know opposites attract but still.

You fucking faggots. I reserve that term for the residents of Datalounge, who insist on having special snowflake status because you have a man-ass fetish, but who despise women, people of colour, elderlies, children, and anyone else who doesn't conform to your gay-ghetto wonderland. I come here for fun articles on gossip and pop culture, but you are an embarrassment to gay men, and I pray you are all obese, raging internet addicts like your straight counterparts, because if not, there needs to be a Final Solution.

The defense of a doughy, chinless, nasty dork like Marilyn Manson and the evisceration of a teenage girl here is like nothing I have read before. And we're talking about a site that thinks Chris Watt's wife "had it coming to her."

Have you not known anyone young who fell prey to the charms of a much older, wealthy man? I guess my pal Matt doesn't count as an example of a victim--he should have known, the stupid cunt. He was a dumb fuck, a young piece of shit who should have seen it coming. He was 19, the guy (let's call him Greg) was 41, and very rich, and very fucking sleazy. The day I met Greg, I knew he was trouble...pansy voice, bleached teeth, condescending air and smirk. Matt was extremely flattered to have been "chosen" by the older man, despite having had only two sexual partners before him. Matt not only thought he would be able to reap financial rewards and live in luxury, but would possibly meet some people who would help him into his university of choice, whether through a job or contacts. He was smug and pleased about his new boyfriend, the fucking brain-dead pussy.

Greg flew him everywhere, moved him in, and eventually turned him onto blow. Then Matt had to do sexual favours in order to get the good shit, which he told me about, but thought it was funny and that Greg was trying to be young and ridiculously "edgy" to keep him around. Then Matt had to do some pretty sick shit in group situations in order to get the good shit, and by this point, was hooked on Xanax to balance out how wired he always was. I never came over to visit him; Greg apparently didn't like me. We mostly went out for tea if we met at all. And he started referencing his penchant for BDSM, which he had never, ever been into, and laughed about a bathtub gang-bang he had been coerced into. Then I didn't see or talk to him for months at a time, and he kept disappearing, and his social media suddenly went silent after always posting about going to Costa Rica and NYC and Seville, because he was a stupid gay asshole! Am I right? Why don't these queer little fucks learn?

He wouldn't leave because he laughed it off, and didn't tell me much more than this, and last I heard he managed to move somewhere in the Pacific Northwest, but what a dumb fucking cunt! These stupid abused young assholes should have seen it coming, and left without looking back, and moved on!!

He's so ugly. why the fuck would anyone be attracted to him? Just coz he's a "rock star"?

Also, did he do anything illegal?

his image was of a freak and I suppose he had to do all the crazy weird shit to the girls/groupies (blood ceremonies etc) to keep up with the image....so the whores can tell all her friends and people will talk about how weird he is etc.

R82 It also makes you an idiot.

I'd be more surprised if he wasn't an abusive freak ..

Datalounge faggots who like to spew about the dynamics of hetero relationships is about as insane as it gets. I'm sure any one of you ugly queens would have moved in with the repulsive Marilyn Manson for the promise of neverending coke and booze, a giant mansion, fuckbois at the ready, and being whisked from country to country. If he humiliated you, alienated you from the family, gaslit you, threatened and beat you, and had all the power and contacts in the world to cover up his sins...well, so what?

But if an 18-year old girl fell for it? She's a nasty, idiotic stinkfish, amiright?

...and hey, you white-trash caftan brunchers, I am neither frau, nor trans, nor black. Eat my shit. A la Divine, I'm sure you would if it meant a frozen cheesecake was your reward.

His lyrics are explicitly misogynistic.

Take this song which he wrote after breaking up with Dita:

[Quote]It's hard to take you serious when you take me Inside

Any woman who dated him after Ms. Von Teese is a moron. They probably thought he meant nothing of it, that he was just an edgy artiste.

Evan was such a sweet child actress in Once & Again. I don’t know what made her fall for this ugly creep just a few years later.

She’s just coming off the massive success of Westwood and has no reason to say these things for attention. She’s telling the truth. But just as she wouldn’t listen to reason, I’m sure there are other young girls out there who think he’ll be different with them or that they’re actually into getting punched in the face by a freak.

Why did these women in their prime choose someone like Manson when they could’ve had their pick of Chris Hemsworth lookalikes?

R93 is either Evan herself or an insane fan that wants close to her. Calm down, not everyone here is in favour of MM, I certainly am not. If you read all the posts there are many against MM, so take a deep breath and accept there will be people who will go against your opinion. It sucks but that is life.

Every person I know that has that "look" is a teenage girl groomer.

Onision, this guy and almost all the metal band singer with heavy makeup. I don't know how to describe it, but they all have that look that give the same vibe.

"What other excuses are you going to make for that idiot. That she didn't grasp the concept of coming in out of the rain? People like you [R83] are the reason why we have so much foolishness in this country. If you're old enough to drink legally, to vote, then you are old enough to know that you don't stick around with a man who tells you he's gonna bite you and do blood ceremonies. Personal responsibility."

You are such a phony pos. Why don't you hold accountable a 46 year old man for tying up and beating a 19 year old woman if you are so into "personal responsibility". People with this laughable double standard never hold men accountable, only women. You are a misogynist, one of the pathetic gay men who will defend Ted Bundy, etc., and no matter what, always blame a woman, any kind of woman for whatever atrocity a man commits.

The bigger atrocity is dating someone as hideous as Manson.

I'll get nailed to the wall for this, but I've long held a theory that Manson is a misogynist closet-case that takes his anger and jealousy out on women (this is not as uncommon as you might think). I also get this vibe from Armie. A lot of the Marilyn talk is of him wanting to eat or burn them, and according to Jenna Jameson's memoir described him as "girly" and said he exclusively wanted anal sex. There were plenty of rumors of him sucking Twiggy's dick back in the 90s, too. In Marilyn's case, I genuinely think he also wants to BE a woman, hence his anger. His cover for the album Mechanical Albums is not something any straight guy would do (nor most gay men). He screams angry, closeted trans to me.

R106 I could see that.

What’s especially sad about this situation is that he’s such an uggo. At least Armie hammer was pretty cute

MM was clearly a deranged lunatic. Evan made bad choices and doesn’t want to take responsibility for it. I have no sympathy for the fame whore and there’s nothing misogynistic about that. I have gay friends who stayed with bad partners for personal gain and I have no sympathy for them either.

When the truth about Jimmy Savile being a serial rapist came out, it was said that his eccentric persona was "hiding in plain sight", so he could say things like "I do wrestling. I'm feared in every girls school in Britain" and people didn't take much notice, when in fact he really was molesting young girls during visits to schools, hospitals etc.

I think Marilyn Manson has been hiding in plain sight in a manner not unlike Savile, except he used gothy makeup and black clothes instead of tracksuits, gold jewelry and bleached hair.

Manson had his weird look and weird music but then he appears in Bowling for Columbine to show everyone "I'm a gentle geek really, I just do weird music to entertain people" and people fell for it.

Though I'm not saying he's exactly the same as Jimmy Savile, who had a more hard-edged, working class personality than the manchild Manson. And hopefully he's not done as much bad shit as Savile did.

[quote]R22 In college I had a friend, a lovely and intelligent girl, who told me that because she had been abused by her stepfather she made a decision in her teens to not date until she was older and had worked through it.

Somehow that sounds slightly sanctimonious.

Maybe she eventually went lez. Or already was and didn’t want to explain.

I don't understand why some of you loons think that questioning the stupid choices that these women make is some defense of MM. It's not. MM can be all of the things that some of you are saying he is and it still doesn't change the fact that these women are stupid. And they may be even more stupid because MM does not hide that he's a complete freak. Would you date this and expect some kind of normal experience?

Will this be bad for Johnny Depp? Manson is a close friend of his and is godfather to his children.

I do feel bad for her young people are idiots and he clearly took advantage of her. He may be disgusting but I’m sure she was excited by a famous rockstar pursuing her. He’s a disgusting asshole and it’s too bad she was so vulnerable.

Off-topic but I found this video of Dita's tutor mansion. Although her style is a bit too busy for my tastes, I like it overall and she comes across as a very down to earth, good person who doesn't take herself too seriously. Brian Warner fucked up letting this one get away.

Tudor mansion.

This is boring gossip, but when I used to work in Los Angeles, I was at a hotel and the manager was telling me Marilyn Manson was in a room and refused to come out. But he would throw his trash out the door. Sounds like a nice guy.

I remember when they started dating and he would dress her up like Dita with the addition of the Lolita glasses - everyone knew it wasn’t good, everyone. She can’t say she wasn’t warned.

I thought we knew this already, didn’t we? I could swear she came out with this allegation years ago.

And can we call out the willful disregard of every red flag EVER, with these “bad boys”? There’s a frau saying, “when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time”. (They LOVE quoting this one!). This man literally wore his disdain for “normal” all over himself. He’s SHOWING you, dummies! You don’t even have to invest any precious time getting to know him, he’s a walking billboard for dysfunction and loathsomeness.

I think these women think they have magical vaginas that can make a man faithful or loving or sane. I don’t get it.

R115 Off-topic but I found this video of Dita's tutor mansion. Although her style is a bit too busy for my tastes...

Yes, that house would give me nightmares.

I do like the house that belonged to the Lunts, which is similar but much lighter in feeling.

Ten Chimneys in Wisconsin.

He went on Stern complaining about how Dita expected him to pay for everything. Not sure why he thought anyone would be with his ugly ass otherwise

R119 straight women are raised to reach for a very low bar in straight men because our society has let men get away with everything. Hence the controversy as our culture starts to shift.

I’m a gay woman and I didn’t settle the way my sisters did (my spouse is my equal and we talk openly about things, while their husbands are annoying and emotionally immature narcissists who have more power in the relationships). But straight women are raised to think that that’s all they can have. My sister and I even argued about it when I was much younger-I said women needed to find more egalitarian, sensitive men and she said “they don’t exist.” That’s the world we were raised in.

I hope this changes and straight men also aren’t raised to think they are special and deserving just because they are men.

Who the hell would fuck him? I mean, are these people blind?

I'm surprised Rose said he has never abusive to her. She loves a bandwagon

If you say ANYTHING they start the "blaming the victim " shit. Yet your parents told you you will get burned if you if you touch the stove. She was an adult and now wants sympathy, the man is a monster and you went back for more and you knew how he was.

I have no sympathy for her, she did it to herself. And that goes for the rest of the women who went back for more abuse, these weren't destitute people like some poor mother who has nothing. I got aids because I was careless and didn't protect myself, no one gives me sympathy, and I dont ask for it because, I did it to myself. Suck it up and move on and stop whining.

Rose & MM were much closer in age and she was famous herself when they were dating ~2001, wonder if that’s why he didn’t try being as controlling/abusive with her.

[quote]R123 He went on Stern complaining about how Dita expected him to pay for everything. Not sure why he thought anyone would be with his ugly ass otherwise

Exactly. She’s a professional beauty who could be with just about any man. I’m sure he liked a glamorous lifestyle and since she doesn’t make as much as he does, he’d have to cover.

What a petty fuck.

Maybe if he went after mature women who weren’t at the height of their beauty and desirability he wouldn’t have that burden. But that’s not what he wants. So - -

[Quote]Manson is a close friend of his and is godfather to his children.

Wait. I had no idea. And more than one with Depp as a godfather? I feel for his and Armie's kids.

Didn't one of Armie's gf's complain that she had to pay for him because he claimed chronic poverty? The "man pays everything" mentality at least fits Von Teese's persona.

It’s possible to acknowledge Evan was foolish to stay with him as long as she did and feel sorry for her. But her speaking out will ostensibly help create a culture where women understand these kinds of relationships aren’t normal or healthy. I guess because I like her I feel bad for what she went through.

R130 No, Manson is the godfather of Depp's daughter Lily-Rose. Manson has no children himself (that we know o-f)

[quote] Next thing you know Melanie and Ivanka are gonna come out saying they are the real victims of Trump and had no idea he was an obvious piece of shit.

They never will while he is alive. Trump almost certainly has a clause in his prenup with Melania she can say nothing about him, and Ivanka would be disinherited if she said anything about him.

After he's dead it's a completely different story.

[quote] I have no sympathy for her, she did it to herself.

Greetings from the year 2021!

Tell us more about your life in the year 1957, r127. Whom do you think will run against Nixon in the next presidential election?

I don’t get in the muck of these type of threads. But I wanted to say that we are failing society by teaching people how do deal with this crap.

For fires; we have “stop, drop and roll”

For drugs, “just say no”

We have taught people how to do CPR and how to rescue someone from choking.

But we have no collective protocol for how to avoid sexual assaults, and what to do if it happens.

by *not* teaching them ^

[quote] Whom do you think will run against Nixon

Oh dear.

DataLounge=look how she dresses, she was asking for it. Just proves that most men have the same mindset, straight or gay, makes no difference

^^^ There is goes up above, the victim mentality and no personal responsibility, unless they get raped they can all STFU.

I'm surprised people are shocked by this he always seemed off. I know a lot of who he is is an act but he looks not right at the core.

He's just so fucking UGLY, with or without the sloppy make-up.

I think we need to be intelligent and separate the facts of what happened from the responsibility ascribed to each party.

FACT: Dated 5 years FACT: Abused verbally, mentally, emotionally, sexually.

Other true FACTS are that she knew it was a bad relationship (at some point) and continued to see him, day after day, year after year. Other true FACT is that a 19 yo is no mental match for a man in his mid-forties or whatever. Another FACT is that he abused women over several decades, there are now eight women.

At the end of the day, ERW may blame herself a lot too — do we even know? We all make huge mistakes when young. I had a boyfriend who flipped out and got violent when he relapsed. I left him. But I could still make the case that there were a million red flags that I chose to disregard. Can both be true at the same time? I made the choice to be with someone who I knew had had a violent past, I totally own that — and that person assaulted me and would have gone to jail had I called the police, I will *not* own that as he made this choice. Pointing out my own responsibility in terms of choosing to be with an abuser doesn’t absolve the abuser of accountability!

I definitely believe victim culture is real and a problem, but as others stated, we also have a culture that has never stopped abusing women. Victim culture is an actual response to injustice, and should therefore be treated with great compassion for the victim. I’m thrilled this POS is being taken down, his face is a crime against humanity. And that torso “unsafe” photo??? Gaaaaaaaaag me with a spoon mother fuckers. He is NASTY. His pectorals look like a baby doll, and he is pigeon-chested......shivers.......the horror.

I will never be able to stop seeing MM anally copulating with Jenna J.

He is repulsive and I don't know how someone could actually date him and I suppose let him touch them, I wouldn't want to be in the same room. His whole persona is based on being disgusting.

Society should be sex segregated for everyone's sake.

[quote] Why did these women in their prime choose someone like Manson when they could’ve had their pick of Chris Hemsworth lookalikes?

She dated Jamie Bell and left him for MM. She also dated Alexander Skarsgard then went back to MM. I thought she was too good for him, she may have had abuse issues in her childhood that she was attracted to a monster like him. Evan had a promising career already so she didn't hook up with him for fame. I still can't figure out what she or any woman saw in him. He's one of the ugliest men I've ever seen.

The fact that she uses the word "teenager" undermines her off the bat. There's a huge difference between 13 and 19. I'm inclined to want to believe women, but things like that give me pause.

Was he legitimately abusive, or did she enter a relationship with a guy who she understood to be an asshole? And he treated her like shit, and now she regrets it?

Goddamn this thread is disturbing.

Do some basic reading on domestic violence - it’s not that simple to just get up and leave. Perpetrators spend time carefully setting up these dynamics and breaking down their partners. Someone linked her testimony to the California senate above. You should listen to her describe their relationship. It doesn’t happen overnight.

Yes ERW seems obnoxious AF, but she has spent the past few years lobbying Congress and the state legislature in California re: the statute of limitations for domestic violence victims. She isn’t just “announcing this on Instagram.” She’s actually spent time and energy trying to change the laws.

The levels of self-righteous judgment from some of you is just pathological. Yes he seemed batshit crazy and yes she chose to enter a relationship with him (at 18) but why are you all so focused on THAT and not on his violent behavior.

Glad his label dropped him and the tv shows cut him.

And good for her for naming him. She probably knew she would face his psychotic fans who are all defending him. I’m sure she’s getting death threats. Just a shame that you delusional queens are also jumping on board.

And to the person who said ERW should “apologize” to Dita? Bitch PLEASE. In what world is that the takeaway from this?

Why should the statute of limitations be extended? AT some poinr adults have to take responsibility for their actions AND their inactions. This treats accusers - and let's be real most will be women - like children. Just because you have poor judgment does not mean you have no agency. Should we also allow other areas of law to be amended because someone exercised poor judgment? Which ones? How about civil and family law? How about coming back years later to renegotiate my divorce settlement, you know cause my husband "groomed" me and, you know, I'm such a blonde and all.

Stop treating women as if they are children. It's insulting and ignorant. And the reality is that there are as many reasons why real victims of abuse "stay" as there are victms. The so-called abuse experts are all over the place with their generalized explanations for behavior by both alleged victims and alleged abusers which makes "expertise" in this area more anecdotal than true science.

It may be an interesting area of psychology to explore but it's not much better than common sense.

My god. The woman has been dead for over 50 years! Why bring this up now?

A lot of people from his past have come out and said he’s a dirt bag and what ERW is saying is true. Evan Rachel Wood may have been an adult and maybe she does want attention but so what he’s still a disgusting asshole and that doesn’t mean what happened isn’t wrong. His friend and band mate Twiggy Ramirez was accused of rape a few years ago. It seems like anyone who has stayed in his inner circle is abusive themselves.

Dita has released a statement.

That was classy

Just an aside I cannot believe Dita is almost 50 damn

I LOVE Dita's statement.

I love that she is critical of the abuse but also reminds the world that Evan is a homewrecking whore and her ex was an asshole for other reasons

Wipe away the make-up, rinse out the hair-dye, give him a pair of glasses and Manson looks exactly like a retired insurance advisor from New Jersey. On top of that, he has an antisocial personality and his “art” consists of being a third-rate Alice Cooper impersonator. He’s not worth it to be “saved”, ladies!

Trent Reznor denounced MM saying the story MM wrote about the two of them in his book sexually and physically assaulting a groupie was false. Does anyone know what Manson said in his book about this? One allegation was that MM forced a deaf groupie to take nude photos covered in hot dogs and shoved them up her orifices.

Damn. All this time, I thought he was just saying that crazy stuff to try to appear shocking and maintain his weird image. Oprah is right: when someone shows you who they are, pay attention.

I just found out about this now. Shit.

Here is a link to his autobiography "The Long Hard Road Out of Hell" which is supposed to have many stories about the sick shit he does.

I'm 35 pages into the book and so far there is bestiality, a transvestite grandpa who jerks off in the basement, child sexual molestation, and killing animals for fun.

bump

Not doubting he’s a F***ing creeper BUT why did these women or girls decide to wait for years to report him knowing he could be raping and torturing other females? If they thought he was capable of abuse to anyone else then they should’ve been at the police getting his creepy ass hauled into jail. Why did she let it go? He’s been hurting women for years but no one thought it was a good idea to report him?

I don’t have any doubt that Johnny Depp is just as much of a misogynist and drug user as MM, so their friendship makes sense. I do have respect for Trent Reznor, though, and it would be upsetting to know if he was part of the sexual antics that MM alleged. Reznor just made a statement reaffirming that he doesn’t like MM and Manson fabricated the assault story. Any insider info as to Reznor’s behavior around women?

Read the book R163, Reznor was allegedly involved in many acts of humiliation and depravity with Mansion where they would prey upon teenage groupies. I don't believe for a second that he wasn't involved there are to many stories. They are all sick fucks.

R124, you are right. There are nice, sensitive men. They’re usually not great-looking, but they do exist and there are smart women who snap them up and appreciate them.

And some women just love a bastard. I knew a woman who wouldn’t date a teacher or a plumber. He had to be a finance prick or doctor schmuck. They were always jerks, but she refused to date “below” a certain level. Eww.

Wait for it... a lesbian came in here and said men are pigs but her woman lover is exquisite and sensitive and they have true bliss. Probably 300lb’ers in sweats.

R162 - Careful, you might be accused of victim blaming with that post. I feel like these questions are justified to ask, or at least discuss, because you're right, for those claiming that victim's are silenced by various factors, there are also factors like what you mentioned that also would play a part in their decision making, no? Did none of them think: when I leave, who will he harm next, I should really think about reporting this to the police, maybe even anonymously? The police would then later come out and say: yes, we've been receiving abuse allegations about him from some time but anonymously so unable to investigate.

R163 - If Johnny Depp is awful by association, then it should be applied to everyone MM has ever been near, that includes Dita, because of these allegations are true, surely she would have known and/or been involved? She and this Reznor guy were far closer to MM than Depp was if they spent lots of personal time either in a house or bus together with no cameras. I feel like this was just an easy way for you to pot shot Depp, let's see if MM decides to take Evan to court, if not then I would say Depp and MM are guilty for very, very different reasons.

I'm actually crying laughing at R149, thank you.

R167 Amber Heard playing the victim is rich. I've seen a lot of people on twitter today trying to cancel people who were friendly with Manson over the years. At the heart of this is is people using the justice system to settle personal scores or gripes. "Well I don't like person X, person X is friendly with known scumbag Y, therefore X is just as guilty as Y". It's pathetic.

This mostly hasn't left twitter. I think people are just exhausted from metoo. It doesn't generate hate clicks as much as it did under Trump. Kevin Spacey will probably be back to work after covid.

R169 - Agree with you. Depp is guilty of too much drinks and drugs., I don't believe for a second he beat Heard.

Heard and Depp just got into wild fights and both were complicit. Not to mention she was only with him for his money.

Evan Rachel Wood was barely legal when she was with the hideous beast MM.

People thought Rose McGowan was going to be the one to jump on the "he abused me" bandwagon. Who would've guessed it would actually be Corey Feldman?

R173 genuinely was not expecting that. The saddest thing about Feldman is I believe he was abused but I think all of his abusers would have preferred Haim

R173 that’s sad—-just read the Instagram post.

R12, it's been well known throughout his entire career that his real name is Brian Warner.

Evan Rachel Wood brought these issues up with him over a decade ago, this is nothing new.

R173. I like how he equates meeting Billy Corgan with an act of abuse. Lol.

All these people are crazy

Who cares what this nut case says?

What is Corey Feldman trying to say in that IG post? Is he saying Manson sexually abused him? Why doesn't he just come out and say it?

Why doesn't he just write normally instead of in block capitals? Whenever people do that it makes them look crazy.

[quote]THE NIGHT @MARILYNMANSON TRIED 2 USE & ABUSE ME AS HIS PLAY TOY BY TRYING 2 MANIPULATE ME N2 BREAKING MY 5 YRS of SOBRIETY 2 SNORT COCAINE W HIM, WHILE GAS LIGHTING ME

This crazy bitch. If he felt he had been abused by Marilyn Manson, believe me, he would have been talking about it forever just like he keeps bringing up Haim and Charlie Sheen.

The sympathy I felt for ERW has been eroded a little by her spending all week on instagram trying to ruin Manson. It doesn't look classy. Why can't she save it for the courts? She actually did an FAQ in her instagram stories which addressed this but she only quoted some article rather than providing her own answer and it didn't really make sense anyway.

I agree ERW seems unhinged now in her insta stories.

I think domestic violence victims wait to report because when the abuse is really bad it can take time to recover and be sure you are safe. They always say the most dangerous time is when you chose to leave a perpetrator (in terms of getting killed). I would think they need distance to be comfortable making allegations public or going to the police etc. Not saying this applies to ERW necessarily, but I think that's why it can take people time?

I mean it's taken me YEARS to start to process childhood trauma, I can't imagine how long it would take to deal with serious violence from a partner?

R166 way to twist my words and make faulty assumptions, AND miss the point of my post. Thanks for showing your true colors! Keep it classy.

[quote]"On Dec. 19, I had to file a police report after I was alerted to threats made by @leslee_lane and @lindsayusichofficial (Brian's wife) for conspiring to release photos of me when I was UNDERAGE, after being given large amounts of drugs and alcohol, after Brian performed on Halloween in Las Vegas to 'ruin my career' and 'shut me up,'

"given large amounts of drugs and alcohol". I am guessing someone forced the drugs and alcohol down her throat because she would have never dared do such a thing while underaged.

Absolutely, no one underage have ever consumed drugs or alcohol. That shit just doesn't happen.

ERW unfortunately uses her IG as a personal DV diary. Always posting about narcissism and how to spot it is happening to you. I understand it takes awhile to heal from trauma, and why people get counselling, each to their own, better she is a prolific poster than an abuser (to others). Surely there has to come a point where a person needs to move away from being in that constant neverending loop of rehashing negativity from their past and move forward into a more positive thinking headspace? Must be toxic to her mind constantly thinking about narcissists, it is like she is abusing herself and not realising it. The narcissist is still getting one over ERW.

He's just precious.

R188 She's a narcissist too. He was just better at being a narcissist. Narcissists hate when other narcissists get the edge over them.

So fucking what? *We* loved MM!

Hmmmm, you have to say that this is an enlightening development.

It appears Evan Rachel Wood released her story as she was being threatened with pictures of her dressed like Hitler being exposed (when she was underage).....

She is definitely a good chess player. I do believe every word she said, but it's still very interesting how she played this.

R177 Being introduced to Billy Corgan does sound like an act of abuse to me.

Trent Reznor says he cut all ties with Manson 25 years ago but they made a video together in 99/00. Now that he's all Grammies and Oscars red carpet posing, suits and ties wearing mainstream businessman, he's afraid of getting cancelled.

I'm surprised how many people are defending him on Instagram (and Twitter probably). There's so many mall goths in the world left. A LOT of them are girls and women, surprisingly.

[quote]Have you not known anyone young who fell prey to the charms of a much older, wealthy man?

What charms, though? I think that's part of the point. If a guy seems nice, charming, or physically attractive, and is generally a wolf in sheep's clothing, it's easier to feel bad for someone who gets involved and is fooled into a false sense of security. But Manson is a wolf in wolf's clothing. I still feel bad for her, or anyone who's in an abusive relationship. But there must have been more than a few red flags.

[quote]I'm surprised how many people are defending him on Instagram (and Twitter probably). There's so many mall goths in the world left. A LOT of them are girls and women, surprisingly.

Ever see how many people LOVE Bobby Brown, or R Kelly, on Twitter?

R193 Kim Thayil and Kim Gordon agree! The Kims just hate him.

It will be really interesting if Billy Corgan goes down with this ship. He's one of Manson's closest friends and some of the shit he was doing to his band members in the 90s could be construed as abusive. But Corgan might be even too washed up for the cancel crowd.

None finds it interesting that Evan brought this story out one month after she was threatened having old photos revealed of her dressed like a Nazi???

I fucking believe every word she said, but she either has a kickass manager/lawyer or knows how to play this game!

More power to her!

Fuck! NO one ^^

I understand that Rose McGowan just accused Marilyn Monroe of sexual assault & harassment, as well.

R200 Threatened by whom?

And Charles Manson, r202.

Indeed, R204!

R203- By Marilyn's current wife.... Its an interesting angle.

Every single person involved is a piece of shit. ERW less so, but a POS nonetheless. Manson didn't groom her into wearing Nazi shit. She was a grown ass adult at the time. Is her argument here that adult women can't make decisions for themselves?

R207 Is there an actual proof she wore a Nazi uniform? Lemmy wore Nazi symbols all his life but was never accused for being a Nazi.

Link to Rose's statement; she isn't accusing Manson of abusing her and says he did not do so. She is showing support for ERW. She seems a bit nuts.

Is "I was in an abusive relarionship" going to be excuse for Karens doing racist Karen shit from now on? I think so.

[quote] Is there an actual proof she wore a Nazi uniform?

She posted the pic in her IG story. She writes that it's Brian's hat and that people were drawing on her face the whole night. Again, something out of her control, I guess, with her being underage and a babe in the woods and all that.

Prince Harry also dressed up as a Nazi and he has actual nazis in his family. Perhaps MM abused him too.

"My nan made me do it"

R199 I don’t think the cancel crowd even cares about him. He was making fun of a trans woman a few years ago and has been on Alex Jones a few times but nobody cares.

Why are famous and semi famous people always dressing up as nazis? I’ve never once in my life been forced to dress up as a nazi or anything else.

Because it's shocking and edgy R215, thus you get attention.

I don't give a shit about Warner. He's a freak. But ERW is a bit of a weirdo too. Birds of a feather and all that...

R211 Yes, that's all that happened. She just put on his Nazi hat (it's basically a SS officer's peaked cap with the skull and Nazi eagle taken off) and had a moustache drawn on her. It appears to be simple larking around at a party, it's hardly full on Hitler/Nazi cosplay. And people have doing Hitler impressions for a laugh since he first came to power.

ERW does not look drunk or drugged in those pics she shared to her instastory. She doesn't specifically say she was in her story but she implies it when she says she was given large quantities of alcohol and drugs and seems to be using it as an excuse for her behavior.

I am not a Manson fan and have no problem believing he was abusive to ERW and other women. However, I do remember thinking she seemed to be experimenting with drugs and alcohol back then like a lot of teens and young adults do. And not just with Manson. There were pictures of her partying with other guys during that time period including her ex-bf Shane West.

ERW never named marilyn until marilyn's cunt of a wife tried to cause trouble for Evan. Serves marilyn right. I hope his career and everything else dies for him.

stupid bitch of a wife

I think less of women who date and marry this guy. I just do. He's so physically disgusting and morally depraved. I don't get why two beautiful, intelligent women would even get near this creature.

Evan and Marilyn are both nuts.

Isn't Evan a guy's name?,

R223 You got Jamie Lee Curtis, isn't Jamie a boy's name... we could go on.

Didn't someone accuse both Marilyn and Evan of being racists not too long ago? I could swear I remember seeing that somewhere on here

Names have no gender!

[quote]Some of you need to watch Surviving R Kelly to understand how women get slowly brainwashed by abusers.

I understand but it also comes down to being stupid. They were looking for something, validation, attention, a cool boyfriend so they wanted to believe what this guy was telling them. Then it all went wrong.

He should be held accountable for his actions but there needs to be personal accountability on the part of these women. "Hey I was an idiot, I was young but this is not what I wanted."

I've had women friends come to me with stories of bad relationships when we were young. Nothing this extreme of course but if they told me about some guy, and I smelled bullshit, I told them what I thought and did what I could to get them out of that situation. Thing is, they have to tell a friend, family member etc. first, share the information, and help will come.

Another accuser came forward. Also, another person who was assaulted by him before they began dating, but still took up with him. She played Ros the prostitute on Game of Thrones.

According to Bianco, who says she entered into a relationship with Manson in 2009 when she was 26 years old, the singer first became violent with her while shooting a music video for the song "I Want to Kill You Like They Do in the Movies." According to Bianco, though Manson initially said the role would require Bianco to "pretend to like being manhandled by me," during production he whipped her, tied her up with cables and used a vibrating sex toy on injuries. Bianco says the two never discussed consent.

After the shoot, the two began an affair where Bianco says Manson bit her during sex without consent, a trend that continued when she moved in with him in 2011. During that time, she says he controlled her schedule, what she could wear and when she could leave his house and once cut her with a knife. "I basically felt like a prisoner,” Bianco told New York. “I came and went at his pleasure. Who I spoke to was completely controlled by him. I called my family hiding in the closet," she says.

That is terrible, R228

Their fame status plays a part in people getting or staying with abusive people. Some personal responsibility would not go amiss along with the abusers getting held accountable.

A 26-year-old actress who was abused on the set of his music video goes on to date and move in with him after she suffers the initial abuse. These women must have terrible self-esteem.

'Brainwashed' and 'manipulated'? Bitch, please. I didn't need to read any further.

When will women start taking responsibility for their decisions?