I wouldn't be surprised if several of the named Trumptard Terrorists end up killing themselves.
Reading the bios of several of them, they seem sad, troubled individuals.
Take for example the Olympic medalist, after years of everything going bad for him he was getting his life on track and now this. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up commiting suicide, seeing that his life is basically over.
I'm conflicted, on one side they are indeed terrorists and should be punished harshly on the other, as a sufferer myself of severe depression, anyone killing themselves is tragic.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||Last Wednesday at 11:03 AM|
I too suffer from severe depression, but I think it's unnecessary to take other people and the Constitution of the United States down with me.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||01/12/2021|
[quote]... anyone killing themselves is tragic.
I don't agree, OP. It's far better that a would-be mass murderer kill himself before his spree than after, for example. There are many other possible similar circumstances, including being part of an insurrection which could, if it succeeded, end up in the deaths and suffering of untold thousands in the future. Although mental illness deserves treatment, in truth any of this lot wouldn't be much missed.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||01/12/2021|
I think a lot of them are sweating it out waiting to be caught. But now we are getting more info about it being an inside job and they must be nervous for it all to come out too. AOC and Pressley have a lot more info
|by Anonymous||reply 3||01/12/2021|
I’m more than ready to condole them.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||01/12/2021|
That's the ultimate tragedy - that we really don't know exactly what is it they want. What is it? How on earth is Dump their only man? What? Do these whites feel left behind? Do they want to kill off any liberal whites and POCs? Nobody fucking knows. Yet, we can be sure that Dump won't provide them with whatever it is they are seeking. Yes...say we acknowledge that there has been an uptick of opioid deaths. What is it that we can do to help? Sadly, we know Dump is using them to further his own needs and doesn't give a damn about them. It's just sad all around that we do not know. If someone here can voice their concern, we'd want to hear it
|by Anonymous||reply 5||01/12/2021|
Well said, R5. What exactly do they want? Let's see a platform.
The Republican Party doesn't even stand for anything anymore! Their last platform was: Whatever Trump wants, literally.
Still, I will take a stab: They want to blame anyone and everyone else for their own problems and failings, without having to do the work to solve those problems and overcome those failings. To have an easy professional life without having to work for it.
That's why they idolize Trump — he's the king of blaming others for "keeping him down," and he hasn't had to work an honest day in his life.
Like Trump, they're the kings and queens of projection: They're the ultimate snowflakes, the ones who really don't want to do the hard work necessary to make the world better, even for themselves.
They just want to fall back on their lazy tropes of the world "as it was." Irony is, it was actually pretty miserable even for the white men who ruled the world back then. They slaved their lives away under pressure to provide, and 95% of them drank, ate, stressed and hated themselves to death before the age of 65.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||01/12/2021|
If these treasonous assholes kill themselves, so what? I'm supposed to give a fuck about some crazy cop-killing assholes who are so distraught that Orange Hitler lost that they riot, try to overthrow the US government and murder a cop.
No. I refuse to give even one fuck about these insane trash people.
Die faster is my advice to them.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||01/12/2021|
"Take for example the Olympic medalist, after years of everything going bad for him"
By his own admission, that Olympic medalist said that when he had to stop swimming and enter the actual workforce, he was a bad employee because he thought success should automatically come to him. He ended up unemployed, homeless and divorced because of his sense of entitlement.
What a shock that he found his way to the Capitol contributing to federal crimes on Jan. 6!
If he kills himself, it's no loss. He's not willing to work and try to be a productive member of society.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||01/12/2021|
[quote] What exactly do they want? Let's see a platform.
Here's an article about Chicago-area Trump supporters' reactions after the riot. Here's the first paragraph:
[quote] Ryan Doorhy, a college student from Westmont, backed President Donald Trump in two elections, seeing him as a champion for long-ignored blue-collar workers and small rural towns.
I'll never understand how so many rural, blue-collar people see Trump as their hero, their champion. Do they really think Trump gives a shit about them? Do they think Trump knows anything at all about rural, small-town life? Can they name anything Trump has done to make their everyday lives better? Or is it all really just code for "I like Trump because he hates black people and Muslims"? Is it really just all about racism?
Some of the people quoted in the article are such Trump fanatics that they're planning to abandon the GOP in the hope that Trump will start a third party. They don't just hate the Democrats. They hate most of the Republicans too. They hate everybody except Trump.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||01/12/2021|
That article says "A second U.S. Capitol Police officer, who had responded to Wednesday’s siege died by suicide on Saturday." (sorry if there's a thread about this already)
|by Anonymous||reply 12||Last Wednesday at 1:04 AM|
I assume they mean another Capital Police officer died, and this one by suicide (the other one by violent attack).
There are a lot of mistakes in that report. My favorite: "Georgia pleaded not guilty to charges in D.C. Superior Court on Thursday."
So the entire state of Georgia has been accused of something and they have plead "not guilty" lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||Last Wednesday at 1:05 AM|
* they have PLEADED not guilty
|by Anonymous||reply 15||Last Wednesday at 1:06 AM|
On the plus side, once in prison they'll get regular meals and their own cot. Something they probably didn't have sharing the trailer with 5 other people. And they'll have lots of new friends who are just like them.
Documentaries I've seen of prison show the guys looking rather happy-go-lucky, as it's probably better than what they left outside.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||Last Wednesday at 1:10 AM|
[quote]after years of everything going bad for him he was getting his life on track and now this
That's kind of a theme with a lot of these people. I feel like we're probably looking at a scenario where some people exchanged one addiction (pills, booze, whatever) for the new addiction of QAnon cosplay revolutionaries.
It doesn't help that our culture promotes the idea that if your life goes wrong, it was all your fault. Very Puritan-minded attitudes, no nuance or empathy. That leads people who have had rough lives to search desperately for an excuse to say hey look, THIS is who's really to blame, these people are worse than I am and it wasn't my fault at all.
QAnon and Trumpsterism is nothing if it's not about blaming everyone else.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||Last Wednesday at 1:11 AM|
The cop who killed himself is Harold Liebengood, his father was a close friend and lobbying partner of Roger Stone and Paul Manafort.
People on social media are feeling sorry for him but I think there's a pretty good chance Liebengood offed himself so he didn't have to answer any uncomfortable questions, especially since links to the insurrection and Manafort have already been found. I'm sure Stone was involved too, somehow.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||Last Wednesday at 1:13 AM|
I love you! I love you! And you and you and you!
|by Anonymous||reply 19||Last Wednesday at 1:17 AM|
I remember reading an article about school shooters that their behavior reflected depression + rage turned outward. While it's sad that these people have come to this point in their lives, it's best they internalize their depression & rage rather than turn into on an unsuspecting public by shooting up a school, attacking elected officials, or whatever they dream up
|by Anonymous||reply 20||Last Wednesday at 1:20 AM|
[quote] once in prison they'll get regular meals and their own cot.
I am worried about them even being in prison, how many of these traitors will work in prison to radicalize other prisoners and white supremacists against the nation. They need to be in a supermax like the one in Colorado where they have no contact with anyone else.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||Last Wednesday at 1:25 AM|
This is why men should whine and cry, like women do. They could learn a lot from wimpy ways.
Oh and that suicide guy - maybe it was having to go through life named "Harold"
|by Anonymous||reply 22||Last Wednesday at 1:47 AM|
R16, And lots and lots of sex.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||Last Wednesday at 2:36 AM|
R5, What they want is very simple to discern.
Aggrieved White Men want status, wealth, and privilege without the effort, including paying even a modicum of attention K-12; more rights, especially in employment, religion, and voting, than minorities; beautiful and subservient women; entertainment without minority representation.
They believe the poor, the struggling, and the minorities are the entities who are keeping the AWM "down," while the former groups "get stuff handed to them." They trust Republicans to reward their Whiteness, whereas Democrats seem to want Others, particularly illegal immigrants, to be elevated above AWM.
They have no understanding of United States, as opposed to American, history, from our secular Constitutional beginnings.
In sum, all those categories listed on forms about which categories no discrimination shall be made?
Yeah, AWM want to bring back the discrimination.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||Last Wednesday at 2:41 AM|
Of course they’re bitter. We live in a country ran by a racist president that believes only white men should have power and yet, all these supporters are drowning in debt.
If their lives are this pathetic in a country that only favors them, imagine how much far behind they’ll fall back if they didn’t have a racist president? If they’re falling behind when they start with privileges, how much more behind will they fall back when you take away these privileges?
I think deep down all deplorables know how pathetic they are. That’s why they’re so angry. They have nothing to lose.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||Last Wednesday at 2:43 AM|
I wish there was a suicide hotline to provide them suggestions and support. Like telling them to kill their T loving friends and family also. Take them all home to meet Jesus.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||Last Wednesday at 2:51 AM|
Sounds wonderful, where’s the champagne?
|by Anonymous||reply 28||Last Wednesday at 2:52 AM|
Forty years ago that Worthless POS, Ronald Reagan, pulled the rug out from under mental health institutions in this country. FORTY YEARS; let that since in.
Now, think about the average age of the Capital Insurrectionists. Coincidence? I think not.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||Last Wednesday at 3:03 AM|
[quote]I'll never understand how so many rural, blue-collar people see Trump as their hero, their champion.
Because he hates what they hate, R9.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||Last Wednesday at 3:08 AM|
But, r9, what does the expression "long-ignored blue-collar workers" mean?
"Ignored" by Republicans, that's who! People who actively work and lobby and litigate and legislate to HURT THE BLUE-COLLAR WORKERS!
I am so damn tired of their abject ignorance of what the two major political parties stand for and have done.
I also know that "unity" is not on their wish-list.
Finally, all this pains me to the core, as a bleeding-heart Liberal. I feel sorry for any citizen being unable, for various and sundry reasons---institutional, physical, intellectual, familial, or financial---to establish a life for himself or herself. I have great empathy for the downtrodden and afflicted and believe that authors such as Studs Terkel, Barbara Ehrenreich, and Sarah Smarsh ("Heartland: A Memoir of Working Hard and Being Broke in the Richest Country on Earth") should be required reading in senior high school.
But dang, if my empathy doesn't half fly out a broken Capitol Building window.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||Last Wednesday at 3:08 AM|
No surprise that r27, trying to turn this into an anti-trans thread, was being an antisemite on other threads.
A lot of these people pretending to be liberals on DL are rightwingers who sneak alt-right crap into their posts. Wish there was something that could be done about them.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||Last Wednesday at 3:11 AM|
Trump loving friends, you maroon. Anti Jewish, no. Sheldon Adelson spent 430 million dollars in the 2020 election to help elect Nazi's like Sitler. Orthodox Jews in Israel supported a the Nazi party. Suggesting that they would all make nice lampshades was not anti-Semitic. Nor was suggesting that Adelson like to be raped with a Luger.
Whatever happened to fun?
|by Anonymous||reply 33||Last Wednesday at 3:24 AM|
I really don't care. Do u?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||Last Wednesday at 3:45 AM|
I'm shining my dance shoes. Ready to dance on their graves.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||Last Wednesday at 3:51 AM|
[quote] I'll never understand how so many rural, blue-collar people see Trump as their hero, their champion. Can they name anything Trump has done to make their everyday lives better?
Trump says they're better than black people. And that is the extent of why they adore him.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||Last Wednesday at 3:51 AM|
r13 "Georgia" is the surname of the man who killed himself, as well as the name of the state in which he resided.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||Last Wednesday at 4:19 AM|
It's a staggering example of vulnerability colliding with manipulation borne of cynical number crunching on the Republican side. The writing was on the wall - a rapidly diversifying country which posed an existential threat to their power. I think that's why some people point out that this could very well be the last gasp of this version of the GOP. The one germinating since Reagan.
Fucking Reagan. He really did light the fuse on all of this.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||Last Wednesday at 4:23 AM|
Oops, sorry about that R37 - I'm the pot calling the kettle black. Don't give me a job, Forbes!
|by Anonymous||reply 39||Last Wednesday at 5:26 AM|
[quote]Fucking Reagan. He really did light the fuse on all of this.
I think Nixon was the beginning of all this. Remember, he and Kissinger secretly promised North Vietnam a great deal if they would just refuse LBJ's offer of peace, knowing it would tank LBJ's chances at election. North Vietnam agreed and it worked, and LBJ, probably the toughest Democrat we ever had in office, didn't even bother to run after that. Nixon and Kissinger broke quite a few laws that should have landed them in prison for life (or worse) with their stunt but nothing happened.
The GOP saw they could get away with that and ran with it. That's why Reagan was so bad, they knew how far they could go. Same with W. Same with Trump.
They'll keep doing it until they're stopped. I'm afraid this won't stop them, and it was a fucking coup.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||Last Wednesday at 5:41 AM|
I am a white, blue collar worker who has bounced from the UK-Ireland-Canada and the US. The problem is that white working class people get lots of attention and hand wringing and miles of articles written about us. But what has happened is that the left moved away from being parties of workers across Europe and N America and became parties of the upper middle class. The right wing parties are also parties of the upper middle class and the filthy rich who have used culture wars and identity politics to get poor people to vote for them while they screw them sideways without lube and the poor people say 'thank you'. The 'attention' right wing parties pay to people like me is to tell us that all our troubles can be blamed on *insert group here* and the result is Brexit, the French far-right, the infiltration on Nazis in the German police, Donald Trump.... all the while the gap between rich and poor continues and everything from salary to home ownership rates to life expectancy is worse for people of my generation than our parents. It has been an absolute disaster for the white working class but the deprogramming is going to take a long time because so many live in a complete vacuum. Have you even seen the Twitter feed of one of these Trump voters? It's thousands of tweets from right wing rags, right wing agitators like Stone and Limbaugh and clips from Fox and right wing radio. They use communism and socialism interchangeably and stick the label on everyone and anything from Obama and Pelosi and the current FBI director(!) to Canada to China. And they are too distracted by all this 'noise' and hatred that they cannot take a breath and ask themselves what the Right has done for them in the past 30 years or what Trump has done for them in the past 4. His 'greatness' they say is 'telling it like it is' and 'owning the libs'.
They have been convinced that the answer to low pay, bad healthcare, bad schools, bad diet, poor infrastructure etc is to make sure that black and brown people have it even worse, These people will vote against universal healthcare even if it means dying at 55 themselves if it means that a illegal immigrant won't get treatment. They will burn down the entire building to stop an 'other' sheltering on the doorstep.
And in the US the culture in the South and MideWest is very masculine. Unlike the working class women I grew up with it seems many working class white women there don't call men out on their shit but are themselves all in for a really cruel culture where 'real men' are loud, armed, angry, devoid of empathy and out to destroy everything. The women support and embrace this culture themselves and quite frankly see Trump as the 'MAN'. It speaks volumes about the values of these so called Christian communities but it is what it is. I've seen plenty of tweets from white women upper middle class 50 something blondes with bad plastic surgery face are a big demo for him as are people of Walmart women and I am 100% confident that many of these women are flicking their beans to Donald Trump on the regular. The more unequal a society becomes, the more desperate people are to hold onto what they had and the more brutal the culture becomes. This is at the root of these white subcultures rich and poor. As women got power the churches got more masculine to own the feminists, as gays got power the weapons get bigger to prove they are not one of us, as homeownership slips away from people earning $7,25 an hour the violence towards immigrants ramps up, as a college degree is now no guarantee of a middle class salary the rich have become brutal in what they will do to get Junior into the est school and into a good internship. And on it goes.
Some will kill themselves because it completes the narrative they have been sold that they are perpetual victims.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||Last Wednesday at 6:19 AM|
If it reduces the share of Republican voters and traitors then I'm all for that option.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||Last Wednesday at 6:50 AM|
In the Slovenian whore’s famous words, I really don’t care, do you?
|by Anonymous||reply 43||Last Wednesday at 6:56 AM|
R41 And in the US the culture in the South and MideWest is very masculine. Unlike the working class women I grew up with it seems many working class white women there don't call men out on their shit but are themselves all in for a really cruel culture where 'real men' are loud, armed, angry, devoid of empathy and out to destroy everything.
Honestly, a really good autobiography exploring this is “ The Man They Wanted Me to Be: Toxic Masculinity and a Crisis of Our Own Making” by Jared Yates Sexton
If you want to understand America, this is the most timely book.
[italic] Jared Yates Sexton is the author of The People Are Going to Rise Like the Waters Upon Your Shore. He is a contributing political writer at Salon, and his writing has appeared in The New York Times, The New Republic, and elsewhere. He is an associate professor of creative writing at Georgia Southern University.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||Last Wednesday at 7:02 AM|
R11 sounds like Gap Guy, he's frequently screaming for the deaths of all bisexuals, and he's constantly complaining about Democrats too.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||Last Wednesday at 7:21 AM|
Oh shit R11 I am SO SORRY, I am in the WRONG THREAD.
You sound delightful r11.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||Last Wednesday at 7:22 AM|
These kinds of people don't kill themselves. Thinkers and feelers like young Raskin kill themselves.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||Last Wednesday at 9:13 AM|
What do they want? Gilead, plain and simple.
This orange from ol hates the same people they hate, sexually assaults women and brags about and shit in a golden ticket (mostly in his diaper).
They are bitter and angry that THEY haven't been handed these things as well and live vicariously through this prick.
The "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" party is a party of white male grievance and always has been.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||Last Wednesday at 10:28 AM|
Trump wasn't merely the loudest jackass to come along and proclaim white supremacy; he did it in words that the deplorables could understand. He didn't use the code words Republicans usually do. He just flat out called Mexicans rapists and murderers, all Muslims are terrorists out to destroy not just "freedom" but Americans and their way of life, and he targeted blacks with special venom. Trump told white people he would restore the USA to greatness without defining what that meant, but made it so simple that even the fourth grade dropouts could put the pieces together. Trump told them he would renegotiate NAFTA (because NAFTA was too generous to Canada and Mexico) and then made USMCA even worse for working people but far, far better for corporations who can now even more easily outsource jobs.
Another example of how Trump manipulated white working class people was by promising to dismantle Obamacare with a replacement even better just two weeks away. After a decade of teatards drumming it into their heads that healthcare coverage was a bad thing, all that mattered to them was seeing that no black or brown person had health insurance, regardless whether they themselves have or did not have insurance. That there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of anecdotes in which a white person was literally saved by the ACA, and them still saying it should be repealed.
The only way any of this makes sense is if you view it through the prism of racial resentment.
Imagine thinking you could fly/drive/walk into Washington DC, storm into the Capitol, desecrate the most hallowed of democratic institutions in the process of killing and maiming fellow Americans, and that you'd then just fly home and resume your life. What would make you think you could get away with insurrection? What would make you think no one would challenge you, stop you, detain you, arrest you, try you, convict you and lock you up for the rest of your natural life? There's a video of a MAGAt at the airport literally screaming that he was called a terrorist and ejected from his flight home "because they're going to ruin my life." They. Not him, [italic]they[/italic] .
|by Anonymous||reply 49||Last Wednesday at 10:31 AM|
[quote]The only way any of this makes sense is if you view it through the prism of racial resentment.
Absolutely, but it's not ONLY racial resentment. These deplorables, due to their own well-deserved feelings of inferiority, ALSO hate whites who are liberals and/or who live in large cities and/or who represent the intelligentsia.
[quote]By his own admission, that Olympic medalist said that when he had to stop swimming and enter the actual workforce, he was a bad employee because he thought success should automatically come to him. He ended up unemployed, homeless and divorced because of his sense of entitlement. What a shock that he found his way to the Capitol contributing to federal crimes on Jan. 6!
Did he really admit that about himself? If so, I'm honestly shocked that someone so self-critical and honest about his own failings would have fallen in with the Capitol terrorists and other Trump supporters.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||Last Wednesday at 10:48 AM|