Dataloungers: how are we defending ourselves?
I know some of you are resourceful and are better prepared for threats than some of us. It's becoming pretty clear that there are dangerous people around us, and we need to think more about our personal safety, both at home and when we're out and about. So, how are you doing that? What would you recommend to other gay folks?
-How do you keep your home safe and secure?
-Do you have any safety plans with your partner or family?
-What do you use for personal self-defense?
Can anyone recommend an online seller that carries pepper spray and stun guns, preferably a gay- friendly company? I know a lot of self-defense suppliers market specifically to Qanon prepper types & I'd prefer to not give my money (or credit card info) to them.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||01/17/2021|
I've been draining my pasta.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||01/10/2021|
[quote] They've hit Buddy! Come on, girls!
|by Anonymous||reply 2||01/10/2021|
R2, that was very funny. It probably couldn't be made today.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||01/10/2021|
What you need for your house is some wasp spray
If anyone breaks in, you spray them in the eyes with the wasp spray (the great thing is you can stand 6 feet away). And do not stop spraying until the can is empty. If they continue towards you, stab them or hit them in the head with a hammer. I even carry a can in my car
Keep a bat at every entrance/exit
|by Anonymous||reply 4||01/10/2021|
I have external motion sensors video cameras, an incredibly vicious large dog who only likes one thing in the universe - me. I have bear spray and my key ring is brass knuckles.
I won't have a gun because I don't trust myself to not shoot someone.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||01/10/2021|
I have a rifle and plenty of ammunition.
Looking forward to killing me some red-hatted varmints.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||01/10/2021|
I practice slapping a servant girl viciously every morning, just to be prepared for unwelcome invasions.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||01/10/2021|
i have several guns, a carry license, plenty of ammo, and live in a castle doctrine state.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||01/10/2021|
Who's "we"? Speaking for myself:
By going about my normal-for-COVID life in my placid suburb, minding my own business and not deliberately provoking people. What the fuck are you worried about?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||01/10/2021|
Rapists are everywhere. Look at how they abuse what they think is a statue.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||01/10/2021|
R9 there are active white supremacist groups in this country. Some groups have been driving into cities to deliberately harass and threaten minorities. They will target any visible minority walking down the street, as you say, "minding your own business". These groups have also been talking online a lot over the past year about including LGBTQ people in their list of minorities they are targeting for violence. Gay-owned businesses, gay bars, their gay neighbors. It may not matter if you "provoke" them or not. It's no joke.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||01/10/2021|
I say a hail mary and burn this candle .....
|by Anonymous||reply 12||01/10/2021|
I’m on lockdown until I can get the vax so really not worried about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||01/10/2021|
Stay away from hostile closet cases with agendas! They will swear up and down that they're straight but it simply isn't so. This is why gay people sometimes think 'straight' people are homophobic and out to get them, when in reality, those people are the furthest thing from heterosexual! They're trying to distance themselves from other gay people by being anti-gay and dangerous toward LGBT! A true straight person feels no need to distance themselves from gays. These are overcompensating self-hate homos that will bother and harass openly gay people that are happy with themselves.
Back in the day if you wanted to be safe you had to stay away from a closeted terrorist by the name of Rainier. He was married to a beautiful lady, but was gay as the year is long. He really had it in for gay people!
|by Anonymous||reply 14||01/10/2021|
I have two handguns, a small dog who barks when she hears noises outside (like an alarm! Woof!), a fenced-in yard, and a sign that says I have a video camera surveillance system (I don't). There are three "No Trespassing" signs on my fence. All my neighbors know me and my dog, since I walk her around the block outside twice a day. My neighbors are ghastly deplorables, but they've gotten used to having me as a neighbor and I think they'd defend me if push came to shove (so to speak). And I live at the very end of a dead-end street. If I don't know who you are, chances are good you don't belong here.
I've been meaning to get out to the firing range (which is only five miles down the road) for target practice, but it's so cold I can't force myself. But I'm considering buying a shotgun. That way I don't really have to be a good shot to hit someone.
I don't really think I'll really need any of this stuff -- but I'm an old lesbian living alone and I'm surrounded by deplorables. Besides, I'm an Army veteran. I've had the training, so I might as well use it.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||01/10/2021|
Having wet dreams about horned, shirtless Trump supporter. Insurrection never looked so good. He'll be popular in prison.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||01/10/2021|
I keep all my fave OF models on speed dial. I'm sure one of them will come to my rescue.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||01/10/2021|
Everyone needs to calm the fuck down. Law enforcement and politicians have made it clear that this sort of behavior will not be tolerated. There will be no civil war. Trump first incites them to disrupt the electoral college certification process and then he throws the deplorables under the bus when he figures out that he personally may be held responsible for the insurrection.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||01/10/2021|
my defense has nothing to do with current events. It's standard.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||01/10/2021|
Mossberg 12 gauge pump action shotgun with a pistol grip. My husband has a small pistol.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||01/10/2021|
I have very good upper body strength, so I’d just grab something heavy and swing or jab with it. I have adjustable dumbbells, so I’ll set them at 20 and punch, 2,3,4...I won’t even bruise my knuckles.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||01/10/2021|
I stack empty soup cans in front of each door every night.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||01/10/2021|
r19, Please link Law Enforcement giving clear, comprehensive information. I can't find it. No briefings, no press conferences, no action plan, NO TRESSPASSERS WILL BE SHOT warnings.
I DO hear Malcom Nance making suggestions.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||01/10/2021|
Well okay, R24. I meant the FBI instead of law enforcement in general.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||01/10/2021|
"My husband has a small pistol."
So sorry for you, R21!
|by Anonymous||reply 26||01/10/2021|
R19, don't be a buzz-kill. You're raining on the parade of everyone who loves being scared and angry all the time. COVID is vieux jeu; they need something else to be in a constant state of fear, misery and suspicion about.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||01/11/2021|
I had a farm in Africa, at the foot of the.......
|by Anonymous||reply 29||01/12/2021|
Not at all. Too poor. Fuck it.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||01/12/2021|
[quote] COVID is vieux jeu
|by Anonymous||reply 33||01/12/2021|
I just got a manicure, OP.
Oh, I WILL scratch a bitch!
|by Anonymous||reply 34||01/12/2021|
R34- stop lying hussy! We all know those nails are tacky snap on's!
|by Anonymous||reply 35||01/12/2021|
Oh, you trying to fuck around and find out, ain’t you?
|by Anonymous||reply 36||01/12/2021|
Pepper spray and stun guns are worthless, OP. Google it and you will learn this. If you are going to have a weapon, you need a real gun. You also need proper training, and the commitment to use it if necessary (which will mean shoot-to-kill, because that is the only feasible way to disable someone fast and save your own life). Get online and do some research.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||01/12/2021|
R36- I will snatch that wig !
|by Anonymous||reply 38||01/12/2021|
I don't jaywalk, I cross at the crosswalk. I wear a mask in public spaces and vinyl gloves so I don't have to keep washing my hands. I distance myself from others whenever possible and don't drive too close to other cars. I'm eating to keep up my immune system.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||01/12/2021|
Stop pressuring me! I am stealing as fast as I can, damnit! Sob! Poor bitch robbing the hood.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||01/12/2021|
Seriously, people? Have you all lost your minds.
Remember after 9/11 there was a terror threat around every corner (or so we were led to believe). Did any of you actually encounter any threats to life/limb post-9/11? This is so typical after any large-scale event...."let's now put the fear into people." It's much easier to rule a fearful public than a brave one.
Untwist yer knickers all ye Marys!
|by Anonymous||reply 41||01/12/2021|
Poster of Ru Paul on my door. White small dicked baby men flee in horror.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||01/12/2021|
Yup, r27, somebody had to say/type it!
|by Anonymous||reply 43||01/12/2021|
“You mustn’t harm me. I’m a Harvard graduate.”
|by Anonymous||reply 45||01/12/2021|
2 days after 9/11 the show The Producers went on. Sold out before 9/11, I had no problem getting tickets. the theater was half-filled and a month later in NYC where over 2,500 had been killed life went on. Some people I know said they would never get on a plane again and that lasted until Thanksgiving.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||01/12/2021|
Ironically, I had zero problem getting on a plane again under the premise that there was no way anyone flying was going to let that happen again.
In the past, everyone was instructed to cooperate with hijackers. That day changed all that and there’s no doubt everyone would “Flight 93” the fuckers before they even had a chance now.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||01/12/2021|
To be fair, what terrorist wants to bomb “The Producers” though?
CATS, I could see.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||01/12/2021|
Thumbs up on the Mossbergs! I bought a second one about a year ago and have them discreetly hidden but conveniently accessible by my two main entrances as well as the garage entrance. I don't bother with motion sensors, but have automatic lights and cameras. I added them last year as well because they were so cheap.
I have a CC permit in two states and keep a Glock in the car.
[quote] I have very good upper body strength, so I’d just grab something heavy and swing or jab with it. I have adjustable dumbbells, so I’ll set them at 20 and punch, 2,3,4...I won’t even bruise my knuckles.
Another victim of the gym craze - common sense
|by Anonymous||reply 49||01/12/2021|
[quote] Thumbs up on the Mossbergs!
No. I don’t like them. What with their bar mitzvah parties all the time. They’re horrible neighbors.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||01/12/2021|
Practicing my vicious face slapping.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||01/12/2021|
I have binders of Hillary’s emails.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||01/12/2021|
Thanks for the advice to those who gave it.
To others, this thread isn't about or for you. I posted at r11 as well, those are real threats and issues that members of our community are facing. There are gay people living in rural areas who have faced these issues. It's not a joke. I live next door to a family that I *know* are armed, had Trump signs and banners in their yard through the election, and participated in some disruptive Trump parades/protests in the week before the election. I just want to be prepared to defend myself.
[quote]Did any of you actually encounter any threats to life/limb post-9/11?
Does that mean people shouldn't be prepared anyway? Again, these Trump supporters and militias want minorities dead. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't a lot of threats against our community in the Parler hack. There was a post on here last fall about a woman on Twitter openly saying that Trump supporters should terrorize their gay neighbors.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||01/12/2021|
Wire hangers. Dutch cleanser. I'm good.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||01/12/2021|
I give them that "teacher look" and they wither.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||01/12/2021|
OP, I would recommend going to a gun training class. I went to one (it was maybe 2 hours). We used Glock 9mm semi-auto handguns for target training.
I ended up really liking that gun. I also turned out to be a good shot (good aim).
Via the class, you can figure out if you're comfortable with the gun. If you do decide to buy a gun, then I would go to the shooting range on a regular basis. That way, when you're stressed, you will have the muscle memory of shooting that gun (to kill).
Good luck, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||01/12/2021|
[quote]Law enforcement and politicians have made it clear that this sort of behavior will not be tolerated.
Have you seen the stories in all media detailing the police's involvement in the insurrection? They moved barriers, opened doors, shook hands and took selfies with the seditionists. There's evidence that Capitol Police guided the seditionists to specific Congressmen's offices. There are photographs of chiefs of police at the insurrection, some of them even wearing police insignia! There are reports of LE personnel flashing their badges to gain entry.
[quote] I meant the FBI instead of law enforcement in general.
Have you seen the stories of rightwing infiltration into every branch and level of law enforcement? You should be aware that the FBI has acknowledged an internal problem with agents allowing their political beliefs to override their judgment and professionalism, with studies showing the problem to go back decades, largely ignored, and allowed to proliferate. I could offer some specific examples of this problem but I don't want this thread to devolve into yet another political thread, but suffice it to say that every branch of law enforcement is faced with the same problems that local police are; the FBI is just good at covering up internal problems for "national security" purposes.
Don't get me wrong. I applaud the FBI going after every single one of these seditionists. I'm just not going to deny reality and put them on a pedestal.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||01/13/2021|
I'm with R9. OP is letting the news on television blind him to real life. It's like the active shooter drills in elementary schools - the chances of that happening to any given school are infinitesimal, and yet children are being taught to be neurotically worried about it.
I live in a place where I feel safe. That option is open to most people. Yes, some white supremacist could invade my neighborhood and start shooting people, but I'm not going to let a bizarrely unlikely scenario rule my life. If you don't feel safe where you live, move somewhere else.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||01/13/2021|
I live in a city where crime has increased especially car jackings. There is a lot of unrest, tension and I am a single woman who spends a lot of time outdoors. I've become hyper aware, more so than ever - I am constantly suspicious... but I should be doing more to protect myself. I have a pocket knife and a mace keychain. Becoming more and more interested in gun ownership.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||01/13/2021|
[quote] It's like the active shooter drills in elementary schools - the chances of that happening to any given school are infinitesimal, and yet children are being taught to be neurotically worried about it.
When I was in school we had drills for an atomic bomb. We had to hide under our desks. (BTW, think about that, we’re hiding under fucking kindling!) But that, along with fire drills, another relatively unlikely event, certainly didn’t scar us or make us neurotically worried. We were kids. The teacher told us what to do we did it. We didn’t think about why or that none of us would survive under a desk in the event of an atomic bomb.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||01/13/2021|
Might buy a gun. Only need one bullet though.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||01/13/2021|
R37 = gun nut loonies who thinks people are trying to kill him 24/7
No one needs a gun
|by Anonymous||reply 65||01/13/2021|
A gun nut like r49 is accusing others of lacking common sense....
|by Anonymous||reply 66||01/13/2021|
[quote] No one needs a gun
|by Anonymous||reply 67||01/13/2021|
I have a gun *and* a justification!
|by Anonymous||reply 68||01/13/2021|
R67, sometimes that’s cover for, “Several people, institutions, and voices have said I don’t need a gun.”
We’re humblebragging and hope you don’t ask about the voices. They hate your shoes, btw.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||01/13/2021|
[quote] We’re humblebragging and hope you don’t ask about the voices. They hate your shoes, btw.
Hey! I’ll have you know these shoes are Thom McAn originals, bitches.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||01/13/2021|
R60? I'd be happy to move if you want to spot me, say, 100K.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||01/17/2021|
I want to get a fun but it’s a process in Canada.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||01/17/2021|
I have an Italian stiletto switchblade that I keep in my glove compartment. There's no road rage temptation with that: what would I do? Cut someone off in my car, and try to stab them? Anyway, guns terrify me, and I figure if someone really wants to hurt me, they'll succeed.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||01/17/2021|
What are you talking about? I only go out to walk my dogs. Everything else is delivered to the house.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||01/17/2021|
I have a car aerial right inside the closet door just in case I need to start whipping anyone. I’m so tired of both insurrectionists and goddamn jump-rope chants. They’re giving mother a migraine.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||01/17/2021|