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Theatre Gossip #410: More Sex, Please, We're American

Or, Toujours Bajour!

by Anonymousreply 52511 hours ago

There ARE a few good numbers in "Bajour" -- Nancy Dussault sounds like she's stealing the show with this one.

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by Anonymousreply 101/09/2021

Going back to the last thread, now that I can post -- thanks heaps to the poster who found the Angela Lansbury Dance Break "Together Wherever We Go." I had no idea it had ever been written into the show. It gives a nice glimpse of the performer Rose could have been. I wonder why all the major revivals of Gypsy since have (I think...) left it out. You don't have to be a Gwen Verdon to pull it off, and it could surely be re-choreographed to suit the dance skills of whoever's playing Rose.

by Anonymousreply 201/09/2021

As the last thread was wrapping up, there was talk about Tommy Tune, including the surprising to me claim about much of the cast of NINE coming up with staging/choreography. Could anyone elaborate or share some info. about MY ONE AND ONLY (I always thought the trouble stopped when it opened)?

by Anonymousreply 301/09/2021

I know no one here will miss it (I certainly won't), but Mean Girls closing is kinda shocking. It was a hit. Maybe not a Hamilton or Book Of Mormon-level hit, but it had found its audience and I don’t believe it ever had a money-losing week. What else is going to go away?

by Anonymousreply 401/09/2021

"Nine" had a great staging, but not that much actual dancing. Anita Morris' body moves were staged (and she was just great) and probably some moves by Liliane Montevecchi in "Nine" she probably told Tune about from the Folies Bergere, but I mostly remember some stuff with tambourines and maybe some tarantella movement during "Be Italian" number. Plus Tune staged movement throughout the show, but otherwise, not a big dance show at all. But an incredible staging!

by Anonymousreply 501/09/2021

I'm sure Miss Medford could have danced up an absolute *storm*, r2!

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by Anonymousreply 601/09/2021

Danny Burstein’s piece talks about the two of them being under stress the past five years. What is he referring to?

by Anonymousreply 701/09/2021

Anita Morris was married to choreographer Grover Dale and it's well known that he staged A Call from the Vatican.

by Anonymousreply 801/09/2021

Max Von Essen is so lucky. He’ll be playing newly elected Senator Jon Ossof in every biopic and drama in the pipeline.

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by Anonymousreply 901/09/2021

R6 Sounds terrible. Flat and dreary. A high school production could do it better. Saw Bernadette Peters and Tammy Blanchard in a Broadway revival directed by Sam (American Beauty) Mendes. It was definitive!

by Anonymousreply 1001/09/2021

Isn’t Ossoff a pocket gay? Von Essen is too beefy.

by Anonymousreply 1101/09/2021

R11, I think Ossoff has a gf. Not that that means anything but just sayin'.

by Anonymousreply 1201/09/2021

R10. I think that’s always the point, when people post Medford’s studio recording of Gypsy. I tried listening to it once—didn’t last more than 2 minutes. It’s such a head-scratcher—why did anyone think this was a good idea?

by Anonymousreply 1301/09/2021

I can only imagine that Kay Medford was a last minute replacement. Those UK studio cast recordings usually had British TV stars in the leads. Beryl Reid did a number of them, for example. Medford was probably in the right place at the right time, or... the wrong place, depending on your opinion...

by Anonymousreply 1401/09/2021

Medford repeated her Broadway role of Fanny's mother, Rose, in "Funny Girl" in London and in the film. So someone got the idea to have her record another musical Rose in another Jule Styne musical.

by Anonymousreply 1501/09/2021

But Medford did not suddenly have name value in the UK. The show didn't even last long over there thanks to Streisand's pregnancy.

by Anonymousreply 1601/09/2021

Kay was no Florence Henderson.

by Anonymousreply 1701/09/2021

Watching Lazarus....this is one incredibly well done recording of a musical. The musical still does not work but it looks and sounds great.

by Anonymousreply 1801/09/2021

Watching Lazarus....this is one incredibly well done recording of a musical. The musical still does not work but it looks and sounds great.

by Anonymousreply 1901/09/2021

Watching Lazarus....this is one incredibly well done recording of a musical. The musical still does not work but it looks and sounds great.

by Anonymousreply 2001/09/2021

What are you watching?

by Anonymousreply 2101/09/2021

R16 I never said that Kay had name value, and indeed many of the leads on those British studio casts of the '60s were nobodies---ever hear the Music for Pleasure "Funny Girl" starring Miss Julie Dawn?

by Anonymousreply 2201/09/2021

People play/post Medford's Gypsy recording in the same spirit that Ethel used to play Roz Russel's unedited first vocal takes of Gypsy for the amusement of her party guests.

by Anonymousreply 2301/09/2021

Here's a piece on those EMI/Music For Pleasure Studio Cast albums. They often featured notable performers, such as Patricia Routledge.

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by Anonymousreply 2401/09/2021

R24 Patricia Routledge was actually not much of a draw in the '60s when she recorded those albums for Music for Pleasure. And I was not referring exclusively to Music for Pleasure in my comments above; there were plenty of other labels issuing British studio-cast show recordings with non-famous singers.

by Anonymousreply 2501/09/2021

Julie Dawn Cole, r22?

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by Anonymousreply 2601/09/2021

I'm sure that, on stage, Key Medford might have made a fairly good Rose dramatically speaking, but she was never a songbird and no matter how great she would have been in the role, it makes for a lousy recording. The same happened with Tyne Daly, whom I saw and loved in the role, but she wasn't much of a singer and the recording made it even more obvious than when you were seeing her on stage. I don't remember minding it as I was watching her., but when all you have is the voice and none of the actual acting, it's a painful experience.

by Anonymousreply 2701/09/2021

R26 Yes, I used to wonder if "Funny Girl" Julie Dawn was "Willy Wonka"'s Julie Dawn Cole. But I believe they're not the same lady.

by Anonymousreply 2801/09/2021

I've always had the impression from TV appearances that Jon Ossoff is quite tall, guessing 6'? Maybe it's just his lean frame and long neck that give the illusion.

I know Max is not particularly tall, maybe 5'10".

by Anonymousreply 2901/09/2021

[quote]ever hear the Music for Pleasure "Funny Girl" starring Miss Julie Dawn?

Any relation?

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by Anonymousreply 3001/09/2021

You saw Max outside of a sling?

by Anonymousreply 3101/09/2021

A slice of life that probably no one will be interested in: I saw the original production of "Gypsy" twice, first at the Broadway in 1959, then at the Imperial in 1960. The second visit was a special Labor Day matinee, and in attendance, along with me and my family, was none other than Kay Medford, then appearing in "Bye Bye Birdie" across the street. Kay autographed my "Gypsy" Playbill!

by Anonymousreply 3201/09/2021

Did anyone see Merman's understudy in GYPSY? I believe the actress died young.

by Anonymousreply 3301/09/2021

Who's had Max Crumm?! I want Max Crumm!

by Anonymousreply 3401/09/2021

Merman's standby was Jane Romano. Gypsy was her last Broadway credit. She was a replacement Cleo in Most Happy Fella, and played Jane in Body Beautiful. She died in 1962 at the age of 32.

by Anonymousreply 3501/09/2021

Recently deceased Peg Murray, who created the role of Miss Cratchitt and went on to play Tessie Tura, was Ethel's understudy later in the run. Romano did go on; don't know if Peg ever did.

by Anonymousreply 3601/09/2021

I've stood next to MVE and think R29 is on the nose.

by Anonymousreply 3701/09/2021

Oh and Jon Ossoff is definitely married, Sorry, boys!

You might also be shocked to learn he's only 33, the youngest senator to be elected since.....Joe Biden, who was 29 when he was elected and 30 when sworn in.

Is Max von Essen too old to play 33?

by Anonymousreply 3801/09/2021

Julie Dawn (-Cole) sang well through the 1950s; she was into her 40s when she recorded "Funny Girl" and her voice wasn't up to it. She later hosted a couple of successful BBC radio programs.

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by Anonymousreply 3901/09/2021

[quote]Is Max von Essen too old to play 33?

He turns 47 on Monday.

by Anonymousreply 4001/09/2021

Gavin Creel played 19 when he was pushing 40.

by Anonymousreply 4101/09/2021

WHET Gavin Creel?

by Anonymousreply 4201/09/2021

She's no Miss Carole Carr, r39.

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by Anonymousreply 4301/09/2021

There is no one more boring onstage than Gavin Creel. His career is a real head scratcher...

by Anonymousreply 4401/09/2021

R27 Wasn't Tyne sick when they recorded that version?

by Anonymousreply 4501/09/2021

Max Crumm has a really sexy, furry bod.

by Anonymousreply 4601/09/2021

Tell more r46

by Anonymousreply 4701/09/2021

The Brits should have had Miss Kathy Kirby record the Funny Girl score.

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by Anonymousreply 4801/09/2021

Peg Murray was also the original Kost in Cabaret.

by Anonymousreply 4901/09/2021

Peg Murray was also the original Kost in Cabaret

by Anonymousreply 5001/09/2021

R27, that comparison is a big stretch. Even on a bad day, Tyne Daly has a FAR better singing voice than Kay Medford did. As someone above mentioned, Tyne was ill for the GYPSY recording. I'm not saying she ever had a great voice, but she sounds a lot better on her recordings of CALL ME MADAM and ON THE TOWN.

by Anonymousreply 5101/09/2021

Someone posted video of the concert of "Call Me Madam" a while back. Tyne didn't so hot.

by Anonymousreply 5201/09/2021

*didn't sound so hot

by Anonymousreply 5301/09/2021

You may think Tyne didn't sound so hot in CALL ME MADAM, but as I said, she's still a far better singer with a far better voice than Kay Medford was.

by Anonymousreply 5401/09/2021

[quote]Peg Murray was also the original Kost in Cabaret

For which she won a Tony.

by Anonymousreply 5501/09/2021

In the Lansbury Gypsy, Mary Louise Wilson brilliantly played Tessie Tura but also played Miss Cratchit in Act I. Was the casting not done like that originally? I noted a poster upthread said that Peg Murray played the original Miss Cratchit.

Do you imagine Mary Louise Wilson and Peg Murray often ran into each other at auditions? Oh, and Rae Allen was probably there as well.

by Anonymousreply 5601/09/2021

Don't forget Marilyn Cooper!

by Anonymousreply 5701/09/2021

How's that for a "Let's Be ..." thread: Let's be auditions for a not-quite golden age of Broadway production.

by Anonymousreply 5801/09/2021

Mary Louise Wilson did not play Miss Cratchett, that was Gloria Rossi who played Mazeppa. Wilson was the understudy for Lansbury and in LA, thee was such demand for the matinees that she did a couple of Thursday matinees as the announced Rose.

by Anonymousreply 5901/09/2021

Liza should have played Mama Rose. It would have been amazing.

by Anonymousreply 6001/09/2021

There's probably zero chance that the West Side Story revival would be one of the returning productions whenever Broadway reopens right? I know it was pretty divisive, but I was still interested in seeing it.

by Anonymousreply 6101/09/2021

[quote] Liza should have played Mama Rose. It would have been amazing.

If her manic and over-the-top (and coke-fueled?) concert renditions of “Some People” are any indication, I’ll pass.

Now if Judy could have made the movie, on the other hand...preferably with a better director.

by Anonymousreply 6201/10/2021

I suspect Kay Medford worked cheap in those days.

by Anonymousreply 6301/10/2021

Carmen Cusack...

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by Anonymousreply 6401/10/2021

Lorna played Rose and she was quite good. Her vocals are great. The production was shit but she was terrific and Rose’s Turn was scary when she cried out MAMA! I know, Mary!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 6501/10/2021

I’m in the middle of watching a stream of the David Bowie/Enda Walsh/Ivo van Hove ‘Lazarus’, which I missed at NYTW.

Lord, what a hot mess.

by Anonymousreply 6601/10/2021

I have been reading Bob Avian's autiobio and he mentions his time in Funny Girl. He says Carol Haney committed suicide, which is the first time I've heard that. Does he know something we don't or is he just confusing her with someone else?

by Anonymousreply 6701/10/2021

Carol Haney died six weeks after the opening of "Funny Girl" in 1964. The official cause was pneumonia, complicated by diabetes and alcoholism.

by Anonymousreply 6801/10/2021

I'm waiting for the 1pm stream of Lazarus to start and the sound keeps cutting out when I cast it to my TV which means I have to watch the fucking thing on my laptop. I HATE that.

by Anonymousreply 6901/10/2021

Hot Mess should be on Ivon Von Hoes tombstone.

by Anonymousreply 7001/10/2021

Goddamn it, this thing is fucking atrocious.

by Anonymousreply 7101/10/2021

I'm throwing in the towel with 42 min to go. At least the money will go to a good cause.

by Anonymousreply 7201/10/2021

I watched LAZARUS the other night and made it all the way to the end, hoping that at some point it would make some sense. WRONG.

It's really quite abysmal and I am scratching my head over the good reviews it received.

by Anonymousreply 7301/10/2021

Did it receive good reviews? My memory is that it got bad reviews in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 7401/10/2021

Early Shirl...

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by Anonymousreply 7501/10/2021

There is no one more boring onstage than Gavin Creel. His career is a real head scratcher...

More likely a real ball scratcher.

by Anonymousreply 7601/10/2021

Ben Brantley was fairly positive about LAZARUS in the NYT (far more than it deserves).

I remember reading other reviews along the same lines. Not raves, but making it sound intriguing overall. I bet noone understood a single fucking thing about it, but - hey! it's Bowie and van Hove, so it must be good.

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by Anonymousreply 7701/10/2021

I enjoyed Lazarus in Amsterdam. The male lead could ‘t sing but the female lead was fabulous and one of the supporting actors was sex on a stick.

by Anonymousreply 7801/10/2021

Here’s the Dutch cast performing “Absolute Beginners”:

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by Anonymousreply 7901/10/2021

Maureen's Rose's Turn...

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by Anonymousreply 8001/10/2021

Sarah Jessica Parker is going to start shooting Sex and the City reboot this Spring for at least 3 mos. I hope Plaza Suite still plans on reopening.

by Anonymousreply 8101/10/2021

Papi a bit chunky on SVU this week.

by Anonymousreply 8201/10/2021

I like Papi chunky. He is neat.

by Anonymousreply 8301/10/2021

I would put Lazarus up there with the David Byrne Public Theater musical of Joan of Arc in terms of the worst things I have ever seen onstage. I also had no idea how many Bowie catalog songs were in it. I thought it was mostly new stuff he'd written expressly for the show. The catalog songs made zero sense in the story (not that the story itself made much sense).

by Anonymousreply 8401/11/2021

tyne was wretched the nite i saw her in Gypsy....she raced thru it. bummer.

by Anonymousreply 8501/11/2021

What the FUCK is going on with DL? I can't get this new theater thread to stay in my list of threads in which I've participated, AND sometimes no thumbnail image appears for URLs linked to in post, AND sometimes when I hover over an [R86] or whatever in a post, I can't see the post that's being quoted. WHAT IS HAPPENING????

by Anonymousreply 8601/11/2021

I'm not having exactly the same issues, but I did have trouble getting the thread to go into my participation list. It took three or four manual tries before it would go in, but since then it has stayed in. Good luck, R86.

by Anonymousreply 8701/11/2021

Thanks, R87. I think it just worked, after my last comment.

by Anonymousreply 8801/11/2021

Having the same problem. Thanks for the encouragement,

by Anonymousreply 8901/11/2021

and not to sidetrack this thread, but DL is also behaving more erratically than ever on mobile (i.e., safari on iPhone)

by Anonymousreply 9001/11/2021

Yeah, something bad is definitely up with DL. I hope they fix it soon, otherwise they won't be getting any more money from me.

by Anonymousreply 9101/11/2021

It’s been problematic on iPhone for years now.

by Anonymousreply 9201/11/2021

Same here. I had the same issue on the last Theatre thread. The issue happened with several other threads, too, so perhaps it's a coincidence that two of those happen to be this thread and #409.

Did anyone see FOSSE? Was it considered a success at the time -- artistically/financially? Was Gwen involved at all? It was a little before her death.

by Anonymousreply 9301/11/2021

Fosse wasn’t great. It was polished and presentable but didn’t entirely work. Same can be said for Dancin’ but that show was never dull. Fosse appealed to foreign tourists who don’t speak English which is why it had a long run.

by Anonymousreply 9401/11/2021

I also found Fosse dull as fuck. I also felt like they chose all the wrong numbers to spotlight his talent. Fuck "Mr. Bojangles" and "Bye Bye Blackbird," show me something exciting, show me why Fosse was exciting.

by Anonymousreply 9501/11/2021

The only part of “Fosse” I hated were the endless slow motion transitions.

Seeing the more obscure dances was one of its pluses.

by Anonymousreply 9601/12/2021

Fosse was more museum-y than Dancin. The former was a retrospective-tribute done by others so it didn’t have the spark of, say, Jerome Robbins Broadway done by the master himself, dick though he was. Thank goodness Robbins was around to do it himself.

Wasn’t Dancin all new material created for the show?

by Anonymousreply 9701/12/2021

Dancin’ was all new. I Wanna Be A Dancin Man and Sing Sing Sing were brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 9801/12/2021

This thread and DL and general are still totally fucked up, I see. I still can't get this thread to stick in my "followed" list, even if I click on the eye, and no matter how many times I contribute to the thread. Again, I sure hope they fix this soon or I will not contribute money to the site ever again, and if I even continue to visit it, I'll do so as a freeloader.

by Anonymousreply 9901/12/2021

I cried because I had no shoes...

by Anonymousreply 10001/12/2021

Late Fall? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

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by Anonymousreply 10101/12/2021

Who will play Fauci in the inevitable: "Pandemic! The Musical"?

by Anonymousreply 10201/12/2021

If it's not Denis O'Hare r102, I ain't going.

by Anonymousreply 10301/12/2021

R99 Nobody really cares, love.

by Anonymousreply 10401/12/2021

Kelli O'Hara, no doubt, r102.

by Anonymousreply 10501/12/2021

Adam Feldman has been furloughed from Time Out:

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by Anonymousreply 10601/12/2021

Well, with NO theater to review, what can be expected? He's very lucky if he's been paid the past 9 months.

by Anonymousreply 10701/12/2021

Speaking of critics, Ben Brantley says "A critic is a mirror, not a shaper":

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by Anonymousreply 10801/12/2021

^ Deluded.

by Anonymousreply 10901/12/2021

If I were Ben, I’d avoid mirrors...

by Anonymousreply 11001/12/2021

Brantley has a face for criticism.

by Anonymousreply 11101/12/2021

[quote]Speaking of critics, Ben Brantley says "A critic is a mirror, not a shaper"

Not a face I would want to see when I look at a mirror.

by Anonymousreply 11201/12/2021

[quote]Not a face I would want to see when I look at a mirror.

Or when you peek over the wall of a glory hole.

by Anonymousreply 11301/12/2021

Which is why you NEVER, EVER do that r113.

by Anonymousreply 11401/12/2021

lol, r114

by Anonymousreply 11501/12/2021

I always presume that's the kind of face that would be on the other side, so can't ever do a glory hole.

by Anonymousreply 11601/12/2021

If you really want to get the full blast of that face, try watching the doc "Show Business." You ain't seen nothin' til you get a gander at Brantley's yellowed horse choppers in HD.

by Anonymousreply 11701/12/2021

Isn’t there some kind of work Brantley could have done so he’s not so ugly?

by Anonymousreply 11801/12/2021

Wonder what Adam will do for $$?

by Anonymousreply 11901/13/2021

Brantley was a total waste for The Times. In all his writings, there is nothing -- NOTHING -- that reaches the legacy of Kerr and Rich. He really was just a B-, but he managed to hold on because his writing did manage to convince you that he knew what he was writing about, but there was no insight, no passion, no wit or interesting thinking. It was Bryn Mawr book reports. Why the Times let this go on forever is just bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 12001/13/2021

I agree wholeheartedly with r120. His taste (questionable, but that's subjective, of course) notwithstanding, his tone, style and standards were all weak and limited. Did his mediocrity reflect a mediocre era in theater, or vice versa. Because for all his bullshit about being a mirror not a shaper, it's absolutely untrue. Every NY producer chose creative teams with an eye towards their track record with Brantley.

by Anonymousreply 12101/13/2021

Really, R120? I see no major difference in the general level and style of Rich's writing as compared to Brantley's. Kerr was a different story, as that was a very different time.

by Anonymousreply 12201/13/2021

Rich could make me want to see a show. Brantley, never. Rich's writing was evocative enough to excite a reader. And Brantley's reviews bored me, an avid theatergoer, every time.

by Anonymousreply 12301/13/2021

Brantley actually discouraged me from seeing shows he raved about. Such a turn-off.

by Anonymousreply 12401/13/2021

[quote]Rich could make me want to see a show. Brantley, never.

[quote]Brantley actually discouraged me from seeing shows he raved about. Such a turn-off.

These comments strike me as nasty just for the sake of nastiness, and pretty dumb. Even if you hated Brantley's writing style AND felt he had terrible taste, I should think at least some of his rave reviews would have made you want to see those shows if only for his descriptions of them, just as I could tell from reading John Simon whether or not I might be interested in seeing the show he was reviewing even though I hated his writing (for obvious reasons).

by Anonymousreply 12501/13/2021

Considering Brantley is gay, why was he always so tough and cynical on gay-themed plays? It always really bothered me.

by Anonymousreply 12601/13/2021

Because most gay themed plays are dreadful, R126?

by Anonymousreply 12701/13/2021

My distrust of Brantley's taste came from long years of disappointment in the theatre he wagged his tongue over, r125. I don't know why you'd characterize that as a "nasty" reaction.

by Anonymousreply 12801/13/2021

R128, because (if I may repeat myself), I should think you'd be able to make a judgment on whether or not you'd like a show based on Brantley's description of it -- not to mention your knowledge of the cast, the playwright, the production team, and also not to mention the reaction of other reviewers -- even if you think Brantley had terrible taste and was a bad writer. So to say that Brantley's raving about a show would actually discourage you from seeing it, or that no Brantley review could ever make you want to see a show, strikes me as nasty and silly. That's my opinion of your comment(s), and I'm sticking to it.

by Anonymousreply 12901/13/2021

Critic's Choice

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r129, I respect your right to disagree with me and my method of choosing what shows I see. And, forgive me, but I didn't mean I'd NEVER see any show Brantley raved about. Of course, I use other criteria.

But again, I don't understand why you would judge my actions as "nasty."

by Anonymousreply 13101/13/2021

I had a dream last night with Anita Gillette in it.

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Brantley constantly tried to make an event out of EVERY revival of EVERY Horton Foote play and they were all turgid and boring, and he would wax on and on and on....It was bizarre. I totally agree with r123. When Rich wrote a positive review, it engaged you in a way that made you want to see the show and be apart of the conversation about it. That didn't happen once with Brantley. Not once. It happened several times with Rich.

by Anonymousreply 13301/13/2021

[quote]When Rich wrote a positive review, it engaged you in a way that made you want to see the show and be apart of the conversation about it. That didn't happen once with Brantley. Not once. It happened several times with Rich.

Really? Never???? NOT ONCE?????!!!!!

Ridiculous exaggerations and gross generalizations are the province of simple minded people who feel they have to paint everything in black and white, when there are VERY few if any things in this world that can be correctly categorized that way -- certainly not opinions on theater and theater criticism, for fuck's sake.

by Anonymousreply 13401/13/2021

Since the thread on They're Playing Our Song seems to have died, I'm going to rerun a comment I made:

It's interesting to consider the difference between the Tony Awards in 1979 and how things would have gone 40 years later. Hell yes, Whorehouse and TPOS would have gotten nominations for Best Score. They'd likely have given a special award to Eubie Blake rather than nominate him and others for Best Original Score (did he write anything new for Eubie!?). The roles of Ed Earl and especially Miss Mona in Whorehouse would be considered lead, not featured (and who knows, maybe you could get 1-2 more nominees from that show, like the actors playing Watchdog and the governor or the actress playing Jewel). Among Turpin, Anthony, Johanna and maybe even Toby, Sweeney Todd would also have been guaranteed at least one nomination in the featured actors category.

by Anonymousreply 13501/13/2021

[quote]Since the thread on They're Playing Our Song seems to have died,

It took long enough. More than 500 posts on a thread about a mediocre late '70s musical that I forgot about before I left the theater.

by Anonymousreply 13601/13/2021

I believe we were celebrating its mediocrity, r136.

by Anonymousreply 13701/13/2021

R129, so you say that someone should be able to judge whether or not to see a show based on Brantley's description, but claim that R124 is being nasty for saying that he did just that..

It is funny, but over the years I have talked to a number of people who avoided the shows Brantley raved about. There have always been critics that people disagreed with, but Brantley really is in another category. It was like his values were at odds with those of people who love theater.

by Anonymousreply 13801/13/2021

Thank you, r138!

by Anonymousreply 13901/13/2021

withonelook is in overdrive. And r125 is an ass.

by Anonymousreply 14001/13/2021

Natasha's Clowns...

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by Anonymousreply 14201/13/2021

Who has Lesley Ann Warren stories. Apparently she was a terror at Dream

by Anonymousreply 14301/13/2021

[quote]It is funny, but over the years I have talked to a number of people who avoided the shows Brantley raved about. There have always been critics that people disagreed with, but Brantley really is in another category. It was like his values were at odds with those of people who love theater.

I don't want to spend the time, because I don't care about the issue that much, to do a survey of Brantley's reviews, but I'm fairly certain that if you looked up his reviews of some of the shows that were the most highly regarded among critics and audiences in general during his tenure at the NY Times, there would be many Brantley raves among those. And if you did it from the other direction, and were easily able to look up some of the greatest raves among Brantley's reviews, I'm pretty sure you would find many of them were for shows that were also highly praised by other critics.

So, although I frequently disagreed with Brantley (as, for example, in his very positive assessment of plays by Horton Foote), I still think your statements that "Brantley really is in another category" and "It was like his values were at odds with those of people who love theater" are, indeed, pretty ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 14401/13/2021

For some reason that I can’t quite explain, I remember back when I was a graduate student that BB’s review of the final part of The Coast of Utopia left a huge impression.

And in defence of BB, he wasn’t always that exciting a writer, but his reviews were consistently well-reasoned summaries, even if I was rarely of the same opinion.

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[quote] consistently well-reasoned summaries

That’s the problem right there.

by Anonymousreply 14601/14/2021

You're the problem right there.

by Anonymousreply 14701/14/2021

R143 I remember Lesley Ann Warren being mentioned as a possible Roxie Hart but her reputation was so bad during Dream that she was never seriously considered and that’s too bad because she would have been great.

by Anonymousreply 14801/14/2021

R148, yes. It's very sad that Warren became SO difficult at some point in her career, as she was so talented. From all reports, she was an absolute horror during DREAM -- so much so that I remember someone telling me her behavior was responsible for Scott Wise leaving the production. I wonder what was behind that. Insecurity? Or just plain mental illness?

by Anonymousreply 14901/14/2021

r142. - Susan Misner at 11:15 really shows Lesley Ann (with her unflattering heels) how it's done. She's sensational. I first became aware of her with her two very diverse performances on Law & Order and Law & Order CI. I was impressed with her as an actress long before I found out she was a superb dancer.

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I could hunt around, but why bother -- what were some of Lesley's horrors during DREAM?

by Anonymousreply 15101/14/2021

Miss Greene...

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Mary! Wow, there's some Brantley apologists on this thread. WTF? If you feel you're correct, post a link to a review of Brantley's that reaches the standard of Rich or Kerr. Good luck...People still quote the opening line to Rich's "March of The Falsettos" review or his "Dreamgirls" review. When he wrote with clarity and passion, something necessary, important and somewhat wonderful happened. That never happened with a Brantley review. Never.

by Anonymousreply 15301/14/2021

I only know Susan Misner from "The Americans" (she was Stan's wife) and "Nashville." I had no idea she was a dancer.

by Anonymousreply 15401/14/2021

She's in CHICAGO and she played Joan McCracken in FOSSE/VERDON, r154.

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I'm loving what withonelook has been adding. Miss Cook and *that* voice...

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I'm amazed at the high opinions of Kerr here. On past threads, he was vilified as a stuffy, homophobic old poop who hated FOLLIES. I for one thought he was a brilliant writer, especially considering the little amount of time he had to craft a review.

As for Brantley, I thought he was a decent writer, but I hated how he would sometime obsess on a specific aspect of a performance (was it Eileen Atkins' knee he loved?) that would exclude anyone not sitting in the first five rows.

by Anonymousreply 15701/14/2021

Whenever I think of Walter Kerr I remember David Niven in Please Don't Eat the Daisies getting slapped hard in the face at Sardi's by Janis Paige. And how mean he was to Doris Day who was only trying to make a nice country home for him.

by Anonymousreply 15801/14/2021

WithOneLook deserves a Kennedy Center Honors for posting that Barbara Cook clip. Heavenly to listen to...

by Anonymousreply 15901/14/2021

Still waiting for that Brantley link...

by Anonymousreply 16001/14/2021

I am second to no one in my love for Barbara Cook (I know, Mary!), but Betty Buckley is far superior (both singing and acting) in her press reel video performing that same song. There’s no passion in Babs’ version.

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R159. More deserving than Debbie Allen?

by Anonymousreply 16301/14/2021

Ouch, r147. You really got me.

by Anonymousreply 16401/14/2021

R153 / R160, in this case I would say it's the accuser who has the burden of proof, so I have no intention of spending my time to find individual reviews by Brantley that I feel were well written, compelling theater criticism. But I did find the following, which includes an interview with Brantley by Jesse Green, plus -- at the end -- links to multiple Brantley reviews, so you and/or others can care to go through and sample those if you care to.

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Um, r165, let me get this straight. You have to find that piece of propaganda where of course Jesse had no choice to suck up to Brantley, and you use that as evidence, but also say you don't have the time to search? That's because there is nothing to search for. Since Brantley's retirement, there hasn't been one article about his work, his legacy, his era from anyone but The Times. Google "Frank Rich retires..." and see what you find.

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I love Betty, but that's....scary.

by Anonymousreply 16801/14/2021

And sad.

by Anonymousreply 16901/14/2021

Miss Andrea Martin...

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by Anonymousreply 17001/15/2021

I still believe.

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by Anonymousreply 17101/15/2021

I watched The Prom last night. It was even worse than I imagined. Jesus fucking Christ. It actually infuriated me. I haven't heard such a bad score since High Fidelity (though from the excerpts I've listened to from Mean Girls, I would imagine that would qualify if I heard it in full). Fuck, those songs were AWFUL.

But christ, what a nauseating mouthful of pure, unadulterated saccharine. And everyone was terrible (outside of the lesbian chick, who wasn't bad). Ryan Murphy can't direct to save his life. And Meryl needs to start saying "No" more often. She's in danger of becoming DeNiro. I hated, hated, hated it.

The only positive thing I will say is that I didn't get the brouhaha over James Corden's "gayface" performance. I actually thought he gave a measured portrayal of what was really just a queeny actor. Hell, I've seen Brooks Ashmanskas be more nelly in real life. And Corden's co-star Kevin Chamberlin has made a career of playing characters 10x worse. I wasn't offended at all by anything he did. Of course I was too busy gagging over everything else.

by Anonymousreply 17201/15/2021

Lazarus is just as bad. Fuck, when listing bad directors always start with mother fucking Von Hoe.

by Anonymousreply 17301/15/2021

Von Hoe could ruin a wet dream.

by Anonymousreply 17401/15/2021

One of only a handful of occasions where I saw the show literally stop. Happy Birthday, Andrea Martin.

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Thanks R175. That was great to see again.

by Anonymousreply 17601/15/2021

One buttock...

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by Anonymousreply 17701/15/2021

So who's going to write the score to Trump: The Opera?

by Anonymousreply 17801/15/2021

Yes! How soon before Trump; The Opera? The mini-series? The 2 part Broadway play?

I know it will all happen but I think we need several years of relief first. And how do you make any of it more theatrical than it actually was?

by Anonymousreply 17901/15/2021

[quote]But christ, what a nauseating mouthful of pure, unadulterated saccharine.

There are a few moments in THE PROM -- the movie version, anyway -- that I'm sure many people would agree are "saccharine," but they are MORE than balanced by all that humor, snark, and satire. So the fact that your main impression of the movie is that it's "saccharine" strikes me as extremely freaking weird and makes me wonder if you somehow saw some alternate version.

by Anonymousreply 18001/15/2021

R180 Playing something 'knowing', does not make it a true moment.

by Anonymousreply 18101/15/2021

[quote] they are MORE than balanced by all that humor, snark, and satire.

That "humor, snark and satire" are as toothless as the score. You must be one of those flyovers who think theater begins and ends with Dear Evan Hansen.

by Anonymousreply 18201/15/2021

[quote] I hated, hated, hated it.

I enjoyed, enjoyed, enjoyed it.

by Anonymousreply 18301/15/2021

The below-mediocrity of that score - [italic]those lyrics![/italic] - is impossible to defend. Pedestrian, prosaic, and clunky, wrongly accented rhymes.

by Anonymousreply 18401/16/2021

Clips from the only complete video of the Broadway production of "They're Playing Our Song," Imperial Theater, 1980, with replacements Tony Roberts and Stockard Channing.

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I would love to see that entire TPOS vid. Stockard and Tony are cute together.

by Anonymousreply 18701/16/2021

R187 They were good choices as first replacements. Tony had already done well in Neil Simon's "Promises, Promises" (London and Broadway) and "Barefoot in the Park." Stockard's appearance in the movie of "Grease" was seen by everyone, and she had already had two (unsuccessful) TV series of her own, so she was reasonably famous at this time.

by Anonymousreply 18801/16/2021

What I find very charming about that clip of TPOS is that neither Channing nor Roberts speak Simon's dialogue in his usual cadences. They make it sound like it's coming out of the mouths of actual people. The thing I find so grating about Simon is that he writes for the joke, not the character. His lines are funny, but they sound really artificial coming out of most actors' mouths. It's even more grating on film than onstage. I can imagine Robert Klein performed it well, but I'll just bet Lucie Arnaz was all schtick and the worst kind of Simon actor.

by Anonymousreply 18901/16/2021

Not to mention that mega-hit The Big Bus, r188...

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[quote]What I find very charming about that clip of TPOS is that neither Channing nor Roberts speak Simon's dialogue in his usual cadences.

Great. That Piece of Shit is now being discussed on two threads.

by Anonymousreply 19101/16/2021

Well....we *could* discuss how badly miscast Miss Miss Ebersole was...

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Make that one Miss.

by Anonymousreply 19301/16/2021

Ebersole was sick during the run of Applause. She should have been home in bed but I don’t think Encores had a back up plan.

by Anonymousreply 19401/16/2021

[quote] Well....we *could* discuss how badly miscast Miss Miss Ebersole was...

Not as badly as Sheryl Lee Ralph was in the Reprise version.

by Anonymousreply 19501/16/2021

Richard Greenberg has the same problem as Neil Simon. Witty dialogue but it all sounds like it's coming out of Greenberg's mouth, not the characters. This was especially true in the locker room and shower scenes of Take Me Out.

by Anonymousreply 19601/16/2021

"ENCORES had no back up?" They read from scripts for Christ's sake. You could have put. someone in about 4 hours...

by Anonymousreply 19701/16/2021

Yes r197 because everyone can learn an entire score in 4 hours

by Anonymousreply 19801/16/2021

They shoulda called me!

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They should have cast Patti LuPone as Margo to begin with.

by Anonymousreply 20001/16/2021

I'm sitting here imagining Patti swinging on the hanging light over the pool table during But Alive.

by Anonymousreply 20101/16/2021

R182, I'm not a "flyover," I've lived in NYC all my life, I started going to the theater in the late 1960s, and I've seen literally hundreds of shows over the years. Sorry you didn't like THE PROM, but I think my strongly positive opinion of the show and my commentary on it deserve some respect even if you disagree.

by Anonymousreply 20201/16/2021

Well...we could discuss...Pia...

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The Prom is the theatrical love child of AIDS and CoVID

by Anonymousreply 20401/16/2021

R202 Smell her.

by Anonymousreply 20501/16/2021

R205. LOL

by Anonymousreply 20601/16/2021

R204, that comment is disgusting. And so are you.

by Anonymousreply 20701/17/2021

Emma Thompson as Miss Trunchbull?

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I love Emma Thompson, and she could deliver a brilliant performance, but casting her as Trunchbull seems like a betrayal of the show. The role was written for a man. It has always been played by a man. She is not physically intimidating at all!

by Anonymousreply 20901/17/2021

Eddie Izzard is perfect. Ugly as fuck and a woman.

by Anonymousreply 21001/17/2021

she'll be great. Really good casting, if they decided not to do man-in-drag which wouldn't be OK now anyway

by Anonymousreply 21101/17/2021

I'm having a hard time picturing Emma as Trunchbull. (I didn't love her Lovett.) But I guess we should be thankful they didn't go with Meryl -- or James Corden.

I wonder what happened to Ralph Fiennes.

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^ Presume he read the script and heard the score.

by Anonymousreply 21301/17/2021

A man dressed a woman wouldn't play these days

by Anonymousreply 21401/17/2021

For the one other Rock Follies fan who comes here, lovely Charlotte Cornwell has died. Sob.

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I always thought it was contrived that a man played Trunchbull anyway. Part of that lame British Musical Hall/Panto tradition that the rest of th world finds wearying and curious. Thompson is a very smart idea.

by Anonymousreply 21601/17/2021

Very sad to hear about Charlotte. I would get very excited every time she popped up in a movie or tv show. RIP

by Anonymousreply 21701/17/2021

What's LULU up to?

by Anonymousreply 21801/17/2021

The cross-gender casting of Trunchbull is an exaggerated theatrical conceit that would be difficult to recreate on screen.

But - dare I say it - Emma Thompson has become a bit of a hack during the past couple of years. The last role I saw her do was the mother in Last Christmas, in which she and her Yugoslav accent were absolutely dreadful. She also co-wrote the film, which was a pile of contrived shit.

They should have cast Toni Collette.

by Anonymousreply 21901/17/2021

Emma has been a hack for far longer than a year.

And she's a lousy writer.

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How is cross-gender casting in "Matilda" any different from "Hairspray?"

by Anonymousreply 22201/17/2021

Oh no, R215. That’s sad. I loved her in Rock Follies. Her character could so easily have been an unbearable pain in the ass but she always kept that from happening.

by Anonymousreply 22301/17/2021

Moss & Kitty

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I think Brantley is no genius but I value some of his reviews including this one.

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by Anonymousreply 22501/17/2021

Has anyone read Riedel's new book, Singular Sensation? I got it from the library and am enjoying it very much. Say what you will about Riedel, he's an engaging writer and his books read very well.

by Anonymousreply 22601/17/2021

I read it as well and agree. He really abandons his snarky side for some very entertaining and intelligent prose.

by Anonymousreply 22701/18/2021

So Moss is good at shopping, acc to Kitty. No surprise here. I've been watching a lot of To Tell the Truth reruns (it's been a long winter) and she seems like a very agreeable soul, although not much of a heavyweight in the brains department.

by Anonymousreply 22801/18/2021

Da fuq????? Cocaine is a hell of a drug. Reinking in "When Johnny Comes Marching Home..."

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And Tovah comes on later, r229? Does Lucie get to slap her silly?

by Anonymousreply 23001/18/2021

Lucie would have made a wonderful Phyllis in FOLLIES!

by Anonymousreply 23101/18/2021

[quote]How is cross-gender casting in "Matilda" any different from "Hairspray?"

I would say it isn't, really, although the British panto tradition is obviously not quite the same as drag in American entertainment.

I haven't yet read Riedel's new book, but I read the first one and enjoyed it very much. His writing style in that is completely different, and far suprerior, to that stuff he wrote over the years in his column in the hateful New York Post. Obviously, there's the major difference of long-form writing compared to brief columns, but I still didn't expect a book by Riedel to be so good.

by Anonymousreply 23201/18/2021

So....I just flipped from the L&O on Bounce to the different episode of L&O on ION which features your Miss Susan Misner!

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by Anonymousreply 23301/18/2021 favorite DVD episode was just on.

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Remember when they're used to be an active Broadway Sex Thread as well as this? Now we have an active They're Playing Our Song Thread and this. The times, they are a-sucking.

by Anonymousreply 23501/18/2021

Ummmm the 'times' have indeed, totally changed.

by Anonymousreply 23601/18/2021

I long for the day we’ll have an active Broadway Chorus Boys’ Onlyfans Pages thread.

by Anonymousreply 23701/18/2021

I long for the old view.

by Anonymousreply 23801/18/2021

I haven't read Singular Sensation yet, but I see it ends with 2001 and 9/11. If he covers the 2000s, an okay throughline might be the attempts to find "The next PRODUCERS."

by Anonymousreply 23901/18/2021

Riedel's research is always paper thin. He talks to five people -- usually the richest theatre owners and producers -- and writes based on those shallow conversations and shallower people. If you want to see how dim Riedel truly is, watch him unfiltered in "Show Business."

by Anonymousreply 24001/18/2021

Have you read the book?

by Anonymousreply 24101/18/2021

Yes, I have. My favorite part was in the forward where he acknowledges in rereading his columns "How much I got wrong"....Only accurate observation in the book..

by Anonymousreply 24201/18/2021

^ Come, sit by me.

by Anonymousreply 24301/18/2021

RAGTIME opened on Broadway on this date in 1998.

In memory of the late, great Marin Mazzie, here is her Act Two showstopper "Back to Before".

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I’ll miss very little about the last four years. But I will miss Laura Benanti’s Melania.

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[quote] Riedel's research is always paper thin. He talks to five people -- usually the richest theatre owners and producers -- and writes based on those shallow conversations and shallower people.

It's clear you've never read his books if this is the line you're pushing. Riedel interviews many different types of theater artists and businesspeople for his books.

by Anonymousreply 24601/19/2021

He’s in bed (yuck) with too many producers. Too eager to be in the club to be objective.

by Anonymousreply 24701/19/2021

Then you haven't read the book.

by Anonymousreply 24801/19/2021

Hey, Michael! Figured you'd be here.

by Anonymousreply 24901/19/2021

Also, Michael, as long as you're here- whose cock is tastier: Tommy Schumacher's or Scotty Rudin's?

by Anonymousreply 25001/19/2021

Laura Benanti. 'nut said.

by Anonymousreply 25101/19/2021

FUCK autocorrect. That was "'nuf" said.

Just now it tried to make it "nun said" -which would be an entirely different direction...

by Anonymousreply 25201/19/2021

It is well known that Riedel printed whatever Rudin or the Shubert told him.

by Anonymousreply 25301/19/2021

Yes r253. Check his columns in the last 2–3 years and see how many are pushing Rudin shows. It's staggering. I still with my point at r247 that he's too much of a bad wannabe to be a good journalist.

by Anonymousreply 25401/19/2021

Our long national nightmare is over!

No--not the Trump presidency--the "They're Playing Our Song" thread is CLOSED!

by Anonymousreply 25501/19/2021

Sorry to have to tell you, R255, but there's now a Part 2.

by Anonymousreply 25601/19/2021

And the sequel is going strong. We [bold]still[/bold] believe in love, r255, even if you don't.

by Anonymousreply 25701/19/2021

FROZEN London postponed -- again.

by Anonymousreply 25801/19/2021

Who gives a fuck about Riedel's columns? We're talking about the books. They are completely different.

by Anonymousreply 25901/19/2021

The books are cobbled together by a cheap propagandist who basically did whatever the overlords told him to do. There is not one original thought in his books, and he's basically transcribing the history that belongs to the richest.

by Anonymousreply 26001/19/2021

Christ, this Riedel critic is the same one who went apeshit about how bad Brantley was and never shut up about it even when he found no encouragement. I thought Muriel was instituting Prime Time more often these days to get rid of people like this.

by Anonymousreply 26101/19/2021

[quote]Sorry to have to tell you, [R255], but there's now a Part 2.

Well, I may have to kill myself now. Thanks.

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by Anonymousreply 26301/19/2021

Can I have your stuff, r262?

by Anonymousreply 26401/19/2021

Scott Rudin is planning a revival, starring Laurie Metcalf and Joe Mantello, directed by Ivo van Hove. Interested now, r262 and r248?

All 6 "voices" will be nude, covered in goat's blood, and played by Glenda Jackson.

by Anonymousreply 26501/19/2021

[quote]Christ, this Riedel critic is the same one who went apeshit about how bad Brantley was and never shut up about it even when he found no encouragement.

R262, can you explain or review how you can tell this? Do you just have to hit "f/f" on one of the person's posts?

by Anonymousreply 26601/19/2021

What will be on the video screens, r265?

by Anonymousreply 26701/19/2021

I blocked him, R266

by Anonymousreply 26801/19/2021

R268, if you blocked him, how can you read his posts to know that the person going after Riedel is the same one who went after Brantley?

by Anonymousreply 26901/19/2021

JFC, are you new here?

by Anonymousreply 27001/19/2021

The posts show up on your Ignored list for that poster, r269.

by Anonymousreply 27101/19/2021

The cast of the Broadway musical Ragtime performs the amazing opening title number on The Rosie O'Donnell Show, January 19, 1998.

Still thrilling, even on the tiny TV studio stage...

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[quote]The posts show up on your Ignored list for that poster, [R269].

Not r269, but what the holy fuck is the point of blocking someone so that you don't have to see their posts and then rushing over to your blocked list to see what they posted?

by Anonymousreply 27301/19/2021

IATSE Calls for Live Venues to Become COVID Vaccination Sites Using Union Labor:

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Sometimes there are reasons, r273, and I don't think rushing is involved.

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...and even though it's been very heavily cut, R272. I would so love to have a well-filmed version of the whole opening number, with all the political stuff in. My favorite line:

"They called it the Crime of the Century, but Goldman knew it was only 1906, and there were 94 years to go (Evelyn: Whee!)"

by Anonymousreply 27601/19/2021

Following R244's link led me down a bit of a YouTube rabbit-hole where I found this. The DL has always spoken of this performance as legendary, and I usually follow these threads, but I've never seen this clip before. Please don't jump on me if you have. There are also clips up of her singing Maybe This Time, and of the end of the show. A truly gobsmacking production.

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how would Glenn been as Desiree? Anyone know why that revival with G didn't get off the ground?

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So someone isn't allowed to not respect the work of Ben Brantley and/or Michael Reidel? What, darling?

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Say, Darling!

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I've never quite gotten Say, Darling. Was it actually a play with music, not a real musical? Is this the show where young Robert Morse played a character based on young Hal Prince? But then I noticed he didn't get star billing in r280s's link. A supporting character based on

Does anyone here know this show? Is it ripe for a revival? Maybe at Encores? With a color-blind cast??

by Anonymousreply 28101/19/2021

"Say, Darling" is a play with some original songs, performed as songs, not as numbers in a musical.

by Anonymousreply 28201/19/2021

A truly mediocre show, Say Darling.

by Anonymousreply 28301/20/2021

It was no Happy Hunting!

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"Gee, But It's Good To Be Here" is one of the greatest intro songs written for a musical. That sounds like a later recording at R284, when her voice had a bit more of a wobble. It sure wasn't a fun show for the Merm, though. She refused to talk to the composer after he dared to critique one of her vocal choices. And she famously feuded with her leading man, Fernando Lamas, especially after he gave a TV interview and said that kissing Merman onstage was “somewhere between kissing your uncle and a Sherman tank”. She had the power to get him fired. Instead she made him KEEP his job, which prevented him from playing the lead in the South Pacific movie.

by Anonymousreply 28501/20/2021

One more "Happy Hunting" fun fact. During the pre-Broadway tryout, Fernando Lamas asked the costume team to make his pants tighter so that his huge dick would upstage Merman.

Sorry, no pics to share.

by Anonymousreply 28601/20/2021

Did anyone subscribe to the National Theatre's streaming service? If so, anything in particular you enjoyed?

by Anonymousreply 28701/20/2021

Mosquitos. Most has already been released.

by Anonymousreply 28801/20/2021

R285, that's amazing. I don't think I had ever heard that Fernando Lamas was even considered for the male lead in the movie of SOUTH PACIFIC, but that makes perfect sense. I guess he was a little young for the role at the time, but they could have aged him a bit as they did Brazzi.

by Anonymousreply 28901/20/2021

DL icon Seth Sikes has been singing his Garland show down in Puerto Vallarta, defying the local "no shows" order. Cancellation coming?

by Anonymousreply 29001/20/2021

Emile de Becque is French, correct? I wonder if Louis Jourdan or Jacques Bergerac were ever considered, as a real singing voice never seemed to be the issue? Is there any reason he needs to be much older than Nellie? And if Nellie is realistically in her early 20s, a man of 35 would be fine.

That said, Ezio Pinza's gorgeous voice on the OBC has always slayed me. Shivers up and down the spine. Is it thought too operatic these days?

by Anonymousreply 29101/20/2021

R291, I don't know if a specific age for Emile de Becque is given in the original novel or anywhere in the stage directions for the musical, but he is supposed to be considerably older than Nellie. There are several lines to that effect, including one line where Emile says to Nellie something like. "If we have children, when I die they will be growing up. You could afford to take them to America, if you like." I think he's supposed to be about 50, and Nellie should indeed be in her early 20s.

by Anonymousreply 29201/20/2021

I disagree.

by Anonymousreply 29301/20/2021

Darling Glenn, was the Lucille Ball Mame filter not available when you filmed South Pacific?

by Anonymousreply 29401/20/2021

On Antiques Roadshow this week...

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Since when do DL Theater Queens like Riedel or Brantley? They've never been DL Faves unless you mean the kind of "Faves We Love To Mock".

They're both hacks though at least Riedel is a modestly entertaining one. Brantley is just a yutz with questionable taste and writing skills.

by Anonymousreply 29601/20/2021

R287 I don't subscribe but, of the ones I've seen:

OTHELLO was excellent. Stunning performances and a modernized setting (the Gulf War) that actually worked. One of the best productions of OTHELLO I've seen.

I liked CORIOLANUS quite a lot, but am glad I read the play first. It's a minimalist production with a lot of role-doubling, so it might be a bit confusing if you're not familiar with it.

MEDEA was also very good. But very, very bleak.

I though AMADEUS was dreadful - overlong, overdone, and quite boring.

by Anonymousreply 29701/20/2021

[quote] I though AMADEUS was dreadful - overlong, overdone, and quite boring.

Agreed. One of my fondest memories in the theatre was seeing Ian McKellan on Broadway in the original Peter Hall production. There are clips of Phillip Scofield out there that are thrilling, too. But this production was the pits. The worst kind of modern British theatre; faux-hip, unnecessarily busy and flat-out grating.

by Anonymousreply 29801/20/2021

R298 Make that PAUL Scofield as the original star of "Amadeus." Phillip Schofield is a TV "presenter," West End star of "Joseph" and "Dr. Doolittle," and came out as gay last year.

by Anonymousreply 29901/20/2021

Oh God. I’m genuinely embarrassed. Thank you for the correction, r299.

by Anonymousreply 30001/20/2021

R299 Make that "Dr. Dolittle"

by Anonymousreply 30101/20/2021

R300 No need to feel embarrassed--I misspelled "Dolittle"

by Anonymousreply 30201/20/2021

The original Broadway production of Amadeus with Ian McKellan was truly one of the most thrilling shows I've seen. The recent NT production couldn't hold McKellan's wig (I only liked having the chamber orchestra on stage).

by Anonymousreply 30301/20/2021

Because I'm sure we've got some Playbill savers here. I went through two large boxes of programs early in the pandemic and recycled a LOT of them, mostly symphony and dance programs, but more than a few theater ones, too, some for shows I'd completely forgotten I'd seen. One of the best things about looking through old programs is all the ads. People sure smoked a lot of Benson & Hedges and Tareytons then.

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by Anonymousreply 30401/20/2021

R297 Yeah. We watched all those over lockdown here.

Sammy Stops The World - with Sammy Davis Jr and Marian Mercer.

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by Anonymousreply 30501/20/2021

Is Amadeus one of those plays that hasn't aged well? I've only seen one live production and it didn't blow me away.

It was from a minor semi-professional local theater but the script felt very long and very creaky.

by Anonymousreply 30601/20/2021

Even the best scripts can seem long and creaky in the hands of less-than-stellar actors/directors/producers.

by Anonymousreply 30701/20/2021

The one Broadway revival of "Amadeus," with David Suchet and Michael Sheen, was something of a disappointment.

by Anonymousreply 30801/20/2021

Work is also of its time. Lots of "great" novels and plays don't seem so great as time passes. Something that was considered stylish and daring when it first debuted may not seem so daring and stylish years later. Many of those acclaimed "well made" plays of the 1950s like "Inherit the Wind" don't play so well today and now many of those similarly acclaimed works of the 1980s like "Amadeus" and "Crimes of the Heart" can also feel creaky as hell.

by Anonymousreply 30901/20/2021

I thought Crimes of the Heart was creaky as hell even back then.

by Anonymousreply 31001/20/2021

R310 TBH, I thought the same. It's just a Lifetime TV movie crossed with a Southern Gothic and an episode of "Mama's Family".

by Anonymousreply 31101/20/2021

Beth Henley is a terrible writer.

by Anonymousreply 31201/20/2021

R312 She needed anal. At least Wendy got that from Terence.


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by Anonymousreply 31301/20/2021

The original Broadway Amadeus also had some great replacements. I think saw John Wood and later a really terrific David Dukes. I bet Langella was fantastic.

by Anonymousreply 31401/21/2021

Why is the play Amadeus called Amadeus? It's just Mozart's middle name. Shouldn't it be called Wolfgang?

by Anonymousreply 31501/21/2021

To play up the connotations of the name "Amadeus".

Ama = Love

Deus = God

Fun Fact: Amadeus wasn't Mozart's real middle name. It's the Latin form of one of his middle names Theophilus which means "Lover of God" in Greek. Mozart also used Amadeo (Italian) and Amadè (French) at different times in his life. In fact, he only used Amadeus a few times and most of those appear to be in jest (such as when he signed letters by adding -us to the end of all of his names, i.e. Wolfgangus Amadeus Mozartus).

by Anonymousreply 31601/21/2021

[quote]Many of those acclaimed "well made" plays of the 1950s like "Inherit the Wind" don't play so well today

I have to disagree with you on that one. I think it still plays like gangbusters on stage, and when I very recently re-watched the movie version, I found that it still packs a wallop. This is partly because the play is so well written but also because the subject matter is, sadly and incredibly, still relevant.

by Anonymousreply 31701/21/2021

I saw Langella and Dennis Boutsikaris. They were both wonderful in it.

by Anonymousreply 31801/21/2021

I agree with r317. Bad productions give these shows a bad name or reputation. And then out of nowhere, someone will do something really strong (and it doesn't have to be gimmicky. I'm looking at [italic]you[/italic], Ivo!), and we all wonder where this "lost classic" has been.

by Anonymousreply 31901/21/2021

Meanwhile what the hell is "Josh Swallows" podcast. Here is his new episode with Tay Tay and Isaac Powell. I'm afraid to listen.

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With those two, I'm pretty sure we know what Josh is swallowing...

by Anonymousreply 32101/21/2021

Seems like someone should repost that full length (ahem) nude of Isaac from a few threads ago.

by Anonymousreply 32201/21/2021

Poor Josh Lamon. They only cast him in The Prom so that Brooks Ashmanskas would look svelte in comparison

by Anonymousreply 32301/21/2021

Inherit the Wind is prohibitive to produce on Broadway because it requires a huge cast (35+) and 2 big stars. I was involved with the Broadway revival in the 1990s that starred George C. Scott and Charles Durning that was produced by Tony Randall's old theater company National Actors Theatre, but it closed quickly because Scott was too ill and left the production in early previews. He was riveting, even in his lessened state, a true stage star. IIRC he died shortly after.

But, as others have stated above, the play can be phenomenal in the right hands and yet a big pompous bore in the wrong ones (I've seen that, too). Nevertheless, when theaters reopen, and with the political climate changing, I can imagine the right production being a big success on Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 32401/21/2021

Nude courtroom. With video and monkey blood. And real monkeys for monkey trial. I like.

by Anonymousreply 32501/21/2021

R309 Yup, try staging "Equus" with the boy and girl stripping down to bathing suits instead of nude and see how the production is reviewed and received.

by Anonymousreply 32601/21/2021

I didn’t know they did this

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by Anonymousreply 32701/21/2021

Everyone must have seen this already but it is worth putting here

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by Anonymousreply 32801/21/2021

When everything was fine

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by Anonymousreply 32901/21/2021

Act 1.

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by Anonymousreply 33001/21/2021

R330 so in 2005, LuPone, McDonald, and Cerveris did ANYONE CAN WHISTLE and PASSION?

by Anonymousreply 33101/21/2021

[quote]Tony Randall's old theater company National Actors Theatre

I don't think Randall's theater ever really took off, did it? Kind of a shame -- creating a national theater wasn't a bad idea.

by Anonymousreply 33201/21/2021

It wasn't a bad idea, but the productions weren't that hot.

by Anonymousreply 33301/21/2021

Tony ran that thing into the ground within the first season and coasted on fumes and the good graces of Jack Klugman for two more before he had to settle for one production per season at various theaters before packing it in by the end of the decade. By the time The Gin Game rolled around, they weren't really using the NAT moniker because it was the kiss of death.

by Anonymousreply 33401/21/2021

Miss Cook's tribute to love songs...

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by Anonymousreply 33501/21/2021

Could a generous soul share a link to the West End King and I and the pro shot Pippin? I think at this point I´ve finished Netflix...

by Anonymousreply 33601/21/2021

David Dukes was such a marvelous actor and left us much too soon.

by Anonymousreply 33701/21/2021

Definitely r337. Wish he were better known.

by Anonymousreply 33801/21/2021

Sublime Dame Maggie...

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by Anonymousreply 33901/21/2021

Lettice and Lovage was a wonderful play. I saw Dame Maggie in London he week it opened. Absolutely one of the most entertaining evenings I have spent in the theatre.

by Anonymousreply 34001/21/2021

‘Moulin Rouge!’ Was Their Ticket. Then 2020 Happened:

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by Anonymousreply 34101/21/2021

Broadway Legend Joel Grey on Why He Got Vaccinated -- "Hope is Everything":

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by Anonymousreply 34201/21/2021

Why wouldn't he get vaccinated? What a stupid headline.

by Anonymousreply 34301/21/2021

Tits! When am I gonna grow tits?

by Anonymousreply 34401/21/2021

Jesus, that article about Moulin Rouge makes it sound like one of the greatest tragedies of the modern world that it was stopped in its tracks. It was a fucking jukebox musical based on a movie. They're like subways. Miss one and another comes along in 10 minutes to take you for a crowded, not terribly exciting ride.

by Anonymousreply 34501/21/2021

I love you r345....And I have money in Moulin...

by Anonymousreply 346Last Friday at 6:48 AM

Bob Avian has died. Cardiac arrest yesterday at his home in Florida.

by Anonymousreply 347Last Friday at 7:04 AM

Broadway credits...

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by Anonymousreply 348Last Friday at 7:19 AM

So sad about Bob Avian. I only met and spoke with him once, very briefly, but he seemed like a genuinely sweet guy. Rest in peace.

by Anonymousreply 349Last Friday at 7:39 AM

I’ll be reading his book on Kindle this weekend.

by Anonymousreply 350Last Friday at 9:12 AM

The NT Live Amadeus starts badly. But the second act is amazing. I have seen the play many times and most productions after the Peter Hall with the original cast have completely fucked it up.

The original and this are the only two that made sense of the second act. This production emphasizes how Salieri keeps getting richer and richer and Mozart crumbles. That is something I have never seen before.

And the Mozart is the best since Tim Curry.

Most productions miss the humor and while this one is not as funny as Hall's production, it is funnier than most. (I am guessing that the movie jettisoned the gags so stage productions imitate it by downplaying the jokes.)

by Anonymousreply 351Last Friday at 9:24 AM

Bob Avian had an amazing career and was a part of some of the all-time greats. (Including, of course, that little show that played the Winter Garden all those years ago.)

It’s sad to think we lost a connection to one of Broadway's greatest eras. It’s even sadder that we lost such a sweet, generous and wise man. He was an absolute doll.

by Anonymousreply 352Last Friday at 10:11 AM

Lettice & Lovage is one of the Top 10 on my all-time Favorite Plays list. Maggie Smith ate up the scenery, but that's exactly what the role needed. The part was written for her, so hard to duplicate.

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by Anonymousreply 353Last Friday at 11:12 AM

...and the Tony Award goes to.... MAGGIE SMITH!!!

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by Anonymousreply 354Last Friday at 11:13 AM

Her Mary McGregor played the role at the Pasadena Playhouse a quarter century ago, r353, opposite Miss Mary Jo Catlett.

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by Anonymousreply 355Last Friday at 11:23 AM

Avian. Perhaps he just...flew away?

by Anonymousreply 356Last Friday at 12:01 PM

Streep should do Lettice and Lovage. She'd be brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 357Last Friday at 12:10 PM

I'm watching Jack Benny on Dick Cavett going on how wonderful Danny Kaye was in Two by Two and how terrible it was that he didn't get a Tony nomination.

by Anonymousreply 358Last Friday at 4:24 PM

Doubt Streep would walk in the footsteps someone like Dame Maggie.

by Anonymousreply 359Last Saturday at 3:22 AM

[quote]I'm watching Jack Benny on Dick Cavett going on how wonderful Danny Kaye was in Two by Two and how terrible it was that he didn't get a Tony nomination.

That's one closet queen supporting another.

by Anonymousreply 360Last Saturday at 6:39 AM

The MR article in the Times made it sound very ominous.... I wonder when theaters will be back up.

by Anonymousreply 361Last Saturday at 8:59 AM

R361, your post is useless without a link.

by Anonymousreply 362Last Saturday at 9:36 AM

He was commenting on a link in a post, you clod.

by Anonymousreply 363Last Saturday at 9:45 AM

R362, I think R361 may be talking about this:

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by Anonymousreply 364Last Saturday at 9:53 AM

I thought the article at r364 sounded ominous, too. Like the producers were VERY concerned about raising the 3 million to revive such an expensive show knowing it would absolutely be dependent on outrageously high ticket prices to ultimately make a profit.

Will post-covid audiences really go for it and will they be able to afford it?

by Anonymousreply 365Last Saturday at 10:30 AM

withonelook just posted a number from [italic]Nine[/italic] with Sergio Franchi from 1983. I still don't understand how folks got bootlegs in those days before video was so portable. 8mm cameras were noisy. What did they use?

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by Anonymousreply 366Last Saturday at 11:01 AM

Catching up on this thread and slightly related to Tony Randall's NAT, I was amazed at how many short-lived productions the Roundabout did at Criterion Center Stage Right. They were averaging about four a season.

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by Anonymousreply 367Last Saturday at 11:58 AM

circle of life... OG Desiree as her mom

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by Anonymousreply 368Last Saturday at 12:24 PM

[quote] Catching up on this thread and slightly related to Tony Randall's NAT, I was amazed at how many short-lived productions the Roundabout did at Criterion Center Stage Right. They were averaging about four a season.

I'm not sure I understand your amazement. This was pretty much what a Roundabout season was like for many years. And a few years after Stage Right opened, they opened the first Laura Pels theater right next to it which did a mix of new plays and revivals. And it's what they still do now, only it's spread out amongst four different stages.

I loved that theater complex. I understand why they branched out, but I wish they could have found a way to keep that particular venue open instead of it being razed for a fucking Toys R Us.

by Anonymousreply 369Last Saturday at 12:42 PM

[quote]fucking Toys R Us

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 370Last Saturday at 12:48 PM

Here she is boys! Here she is world! Here's...LORNA!!!

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by Anonymousreply 371Last Saturday at 12:49 PM

Many shows are not reopening- tours especially. The decisions have been made but the producers/GMs are opting not to tell any of their (former) employees ahead of time because with social media there is no way to control the announcement, so unfortunately a lot of people who think they have a job to go back to do not. Some tours that were to go out are cancelled or are going out on lower tier contracts than previously planned. It's going to be ugly.

by Anonymousreply 372Last Saturday at 12:49 PM

R366 Meh, I would appreciate what AuroraNutBar and WithOneKiss shared if they shared the whole fucking shows. These little 'snippets' they deem share worthy, controlling all...betrays deep seated mental heath issues.

by Anonymousreply 373Last Saturday at 12:53 PM

Christ, the orchestra in that audio clip of Lorna Luft in GYPSY is beyond horrible. Where the hell was this? Epic fail. As for Lorna's performance, I would say the singing is very good, the acting only okay.

by Anonymousreply 374Last Saturday at 1:16 PM

R369, I guess I was just surprised that Roundabout could fit 4-5 shows at one place in a season, but as you mention, it was a model they were used to.

by Anonymousreply 375Last Saturday at 1:27 PM

Lorna did Gypsy at a university. It was pretty much an amateur production with a drag queen as Electra. Now if Lorna wanted to play Rose couldn’t she have been cast at Papermill or a professional stock production?

by Anonymousreply 376Last Saturday at 1:31 PM

R376, do you mean that GYPSY was a production of the university's theater department with Lorna in the lead for some reason, or was it just an amateur production in a university theater? Either way, the orchestral playing in that clip is embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 377Last Saturday at 1:40 PM


did you ever think maybe they don't have the whole show? Maybe the clips were the only thing the person filming could get?

by Anonymousreply 378Last Saturday at 1:57 PM

If you follow the underground bootleg video gangs the full shows are available if you’re willing to pay or have something to trade.

by Anonymousreply 379Last Saturday at 2:00 PM

I still can't picture how they got the boots filmed

by Anonymousreply 380Last Saturday at 2:05 PM

Then pay or have something to trade, r379. The whining at r373 is tedious and reeks of entitlement...

by Anonymousreply 381Last Saturday at 2:05 PM

I do pay and I do have full shows but I don’t post them online. I’m happy with the clips Aurora posts. I don’t always need to see the full show.

by Anonymousreply 382Last Saturday at 2:18 PM

I'm happy with them as well, r382. And really, some of the bootlegs aren't great and I wouldn't watch an entire show of that quality.

by Anonymousreply 383Last Saturday at 2:21 PM

How does one find a way to buy the full ones? I don't live in NYC...

by Anonymousreply 384Last Saturday at 2:28 PM

I also miss Roundabout in the Criterion. Those 2 spaces brought some its most interesting and engaging productions in their history. They have too many spaces to fill now and most of the filler is star-driven junk and under-developed new work, all carelessly produced. I hope Todd takes covid time to realize he's done and bow out gracefully.

by Anonymousreply 385Last Saturday at 2:38 PM

R384 Here's a site that might be worth checking out:

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by Anonymousreply 386Last Saturday at 2:39 PM

Try Tumblr. Search bootleg broadway videos.

by Anonymousreply 387Last Saturday at 2:40 PM

[quote] [R369], I guess I was just surprised that Roundabout could fit 4-5 shows at one place in a season, but as you mention, it was a model they were used to.

Yes, they had been around for a while before they moved to the Criterion Center and had a space in the 20s, and then one in Union Sq. I never went to either of those spaces, as I wasn't in NYC yet, but I've read about their seasons at both and they did the same kind of season every year- 4-5 productions. But both those houses were Off-Broadway spaces only.

by Anonymousreply 388Last Saturday at 4:57 PM

Before they moved to the Criterion, the Roundabout mostly produced cheap-looking and deadly dull revivals of 19th and 18th century plays....Shaw, Moliere and the like as well as the occasional Williams, Miller and Inge.

Somehow they got Liam Neeson and Natasha Richardson to do O'Neill's Anna Christie as one of their first shows at the Criterion and that truly wonderful production changed everything and gave them access to bigger star names and smarter directors.

by Anonymousreply 389Last Saturday at 5:05 PM

The first time I ever went to Stage Right was 1990. Someone gave me a free ticket to a play called Stand Up Tragedy with Jack Coleman from Dynasty starring in it. Then when Roundabout moved in, they used to have great student pricing, so I went to see some of their first season there. I remember absolutely loving their production of The Visit with Jane Alexander. And then I found out about being able to usher there to see the show for free and I saw their entire next two seasons that way (and a lot of other off-Broadway shows), until I got sick of doing that and decided I'd rather just pay for tickets. Of course, this was back when Off-Broadway shows were around $25-$35 each. Those were the days.

Anyway, here's a photo of Criterion Stage Right about a year before Roundabout moved in. Mastergate was playing there at the time.

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by Anonymousreply 390Last Saturday at 5:32 PM

R381 common.

by Anonymousreply 391Last Saturday at 6:10 PM

Watched the PBS Lincoln Center production of The Nance starring Nathan Lane, damn he was great as was the rest of the cast. Very enjoyable and heartbreaking play. It was a good reminder of how dangerous it was to be gay back in the “old days”.

It was also a great reminder how much I miss watching really talented people perform live.

by Anonymousreply 392Last Saturday at 6:32 PM

WHET Jonny Orsini?

by Anonymousreply 393Last Saturday at 6:34 PM

Not really accurate r389. They had some other great stuff down at FIT like Jim Dale & Stockard Channing in Joe Egg

by Anonymousreply 394Last Saturday at 6:37 PM

Wanda Richert in Nine also got posted today. Was always curious about how she did. Better than I expected. She doesn't have Anita Morris' humor but she sings and moves well. I guess it is ok just not as special as Morris' unique performance.

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by Anonymousreply 395Last Saturday at 8:58 PM

Wanda only took the role because she misinterpreted the title of her song.

by Anonymousreply 396Last Saturday at 9:19 PM

I don't get it r396. Explain!

by Anonymousreply 397Last Saturday at 9:26 PM

Wanda is now a Reverend of some kind I think. I followed her on twitter and she followed back.

I noticed her account got deleted after the Trump/capitol riot.

I kind of think she was posting Trump won type stuff but not sure. But her account is suspended now.

by Anonymousreply 398Last Saturday at 9:28 PM

Yeah, she was a religious loon for a while. Went full on insane.

by Anonymousreply 399Last Saturday at 9:42 PM

r395 her performance seems like it's got more dancer razzmatazz but much less allure. She's hitting her marks well and hard. But she's dripping sequins instead of sex.

by Anonymousreply 400Last Sunday at 4:27 AM

Jonny Orsini became Jon Orsini in the indie film THE ASSISTANT with Julia Garner. He had a small role, and kept his clothes on. Alas.

by Anonymousreply 401Last Sunday at 4:35 AM

R367, that 4-play kind of season is pretty normal for institutional theaters across the country--and in NYC.

And not too much different from the 3-play season they currently run.

Incidentally, at 499 seats, the theater was about the same size as some off-Broadway houses.

by Anonymousreply 402Last Sunday at 4:39 AM

r394, you're right about the Roundabout's pre-Criterion programming. There were occasionally some gems like Joe Egg. I was (unintentionally) exaggerating in my earlier post to make a point.

But I do remember that 1993 Anna Christie directed by David Leveaux was a major turning point in the theater's success. I think it was also where Liam met Natasha; they didn't sign on as a couple but left as one.

by Anonymousreply 403Last Sunday at 6:18 AM

So Moulin Rouge is going to have to spend $3 million to re-open? What will shows like WICKED and PHANTOM and LION KING need to spend?

by Anonymousreply 404Last Sunday at 6:21 AM

That includes advertising etc I’m sure

by Anonymousreply 405Last Sunday at 6:32 AM

R403, Richardson had played Anna in Britain a few years earlier and with her husband, Robert Fox, tried desperately to get an American theater to put it up here, knowing it would help her career.

Within the first few days of rehearsal she and Neeson were fucking. Redgrave said to the husband that she thought Natasha treated him terribly after he worked so hard to make Anna Christie happen in New York. She comforted him by saying that they would make a lot of money with the tour of Lettice and Lovage she would do for him across America.

Then she made a statement about Israel and each stop on the tour cancelled.

So poor Robert Fox got fucked over by two Redgraves in one season.

by Anonymousreply 406Last Sunday at 7:05 AM

Neeson was also cast in Schindlers List during the run. He had already tested but when Spielberg saw him in AC that cinched it.

by Anonymousreply 407Last Sunday at 7:12 AM

Nicely done r406

by Anonymousreply 408Last Sunday at 7:14 AM

r391=Lady Bracknell

by Anonymousreply 409Last Sunday at 7:29 AM

But what about me? I was Tash's best friend. And Liam's!!

by Anonymousreply 410Last Sunday at 9:17 AM

Very well put, R400.

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by Anonymousreply 412Last Sunday at 10:17 AM

Gee Natasha Richardson was a real tramp. Who knew! That was lousy to leave a husband like that.

by Anonymousreply 413Last Sunday at 11:58 AM

Hickey really knows how to be a sycophant to those successful actresses and they eat it up for some reason. Laura Linney, Allison Janney, Sandra Bernhard, Goop all fawn over him.

(but if you are non-famous he's just an awful bully.)

by Anonymousreply 414Last Sunday at 12:00 PM

R413 Love is love.

by Anonymousreply 415Last Sunday at 12:03 PM

Didn't Liam then cheat on her constantly?

by Anonymousreply 416Last Sunday at 12:06 PM

Natasha came from a very bohemian family so I guess cheating came naturally to her.

by Anonymousreply 417Last Sunday at 1:13 PM

And if the 🍆 rumors about Liam are true..........

by Anonymousreply 418Last Sunday at 1:22 PM

R414 Hickey can be forgiven somewhat for doing lots of full-frontal nudity on both stage and screen!

by Anonymousreply 419Last Sunday at 1:34 PM

R418 Rumors?

There's EVIDENCE! The man was full frontally naked in a movie with his huge cock flapping in the wind!

by Anonymousreply 420Last Sunday at 1:41 PM

Vanessa Redgrave was let go early from filming one day and went home to find her husband Tony Richardson naked in bed with her father, Sir Michael Redgrave. They asked her to join in. Instead she turned around, walked out and started divorce proceedings not long after.

The Redgraves have publicly denied this happened but it was published in a biography of the Redgrave family and then republished in the Daily Mail when the book was serialized. They never sued.

by Anonymousreply 421Last Sunday at 2:07 PM

Oh, r421...

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by Anonymousreply 422Last Sunday at 2:11 PM

But then Vanessa hooked up with the absolutely gorgeous Franco Nero and all was well with the world.

by Anonymousreply 423Last Sunday at 2:16 PM

Alfred and Lynnie slept with Mossie and Kitty.

by Anonymousreply 424Last Sunday at 4:10 PM

R412 compare that Lucy & Jessie with this one. Caroline comes out the winner!

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by Anonymousreply 425Last Sunday at 4:13 PM

Juliet in her pants.

by Anonymousreply 426Last Sunday at 4:22 PM

Redgrave had a big breakdown after Richardson left. She had bouts of stage fright and trouble acting. I think it was the politics she got involved with that gave her her confidence back.

by Anonymousreply 427Last Sunday at 7:34 PM

So....I recorded that Lorna GYPSY. Always funny to see something you record turn up on YouTube . It was at an university in Richmond,Virginia. I am not sure how it originally came about but the original announced Rose was Ebersole, someone I wouldn’t make a road trip to see. Her charms elude me (altho I did like GG). I’m not going to bother to lookup the date but memory says Ebersole got a Bway gig and suddenly Lorna was announced.

Now Lorna in GYPSY. Obvious road trip. I had never seen her and was very curious And yes, Mazeppa was a guy in drag. My original intention was to videotape it but it was too light , my seat was good and would have been perfect but it wasn’t feasible. Too exposed.

She returned the following year and her tribute show to Mama. I actually ended up talking with her for quite a while afterwards. She seemed to be a “broad” in the best sense of the word. We really hit it off actually and I had recently seen Peters. That peeked her interest and we actually dished(I hated BP). Actually, her husband had to come get her we were having so much fun.

The other thing I can say is the kids and crew from that production obviously liked her a lot. She spent a lot of time with them. The owners of the dog that played Chowzie even brought the dog to see her. I waited after all that to get her to sign her bookend that’s how we ended up talking for so long. I have a friend who actually knows both sisters and has worked with them. He said Lorna can be a bit much but really didn’t elaborate. Said Liza was actually the nicer of the two and the thing that really stayed with him was she always sent thank you notes etc for anything someone did for her and truly was very nice. Sounded like she’s very old school was the impression I got.

by Anonymousreply 428Last Sunday at 7:48 PM

Why do the theater gossip threads keep getting grayed out?

by Anonymousreply 429Last Sunday at 8:06 PM

That Caroline O’Connor clip is great. Thanks, R412.

by Anonymousreply 430Last Monday at 1:06 AM

[quote] That peeked her interest

Oh, dear

by Anonymousreply 431Last Monday at 3:43 AM

r428, are you by any chance mlop from ATC?

by Anonymousreply 432Last Monday at 4:55 AM

We should only be so lucky r432.

by Anonymousreply 433Last Monday at 5:12 AM

Mlop could never string that many sentences together without numerous typos, misspellings and malapropisms.

by Anonymousreply 434Last Monday at 5:12 AM

True, that, r434.

by Anonymousreply 435Last Monday at 5:15 AM

What is a mlop?

by Anonymousreply 436Last Monday at 6:58 AM

OMG I miss mlop!!!!

by Anonymousreply 437Last Monday at 7:26 AM

Check out ATC, r437. She's often still there.

by Anonymousreply 438Last Monday at 8:02 AM

Yes, mlop has made quite the resurgence on ATC. Wonder where she's been.

by Anonymousreply 439Last Monday at 9:30 AM

Curley McDimple

I started reading up about this off-Broadway show from the 60s, featuring Bernadette Peters and later included Butterfly (Gone With The Wind) McQueen. The plot is very reminiscent of Annie, and I wonder if Strouse, Adams, and Charnin "borrowed" anything from the musical. I'm sure there are eldergays here who saw the original production. I'd love to hear more about it, and wonder why it has't been revived?

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by Anonymousreply 440Last Monday at 10:47 AM

...Wikipedia's take on Curley McDimple. Apparently there was a Bill "Bojangles" Robinson character as well.

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by Anonymousreply 441Last Monday at 10:49 AM

mlop is also a Broadway/theater/art photographer, but she can't use the written language very well. If she could act, she could indeed be well cast as Mrs. Malaprop.

by Anonymousreply 442Last Monday at 10:53 AM

She's a nice lady, btw, but quite a character!

by Anonymousreply 443Last Monday at 10:54 AM

I found this a bit scary...

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by Anonymousreply 444Last Monday at 1:36 PM

Curly McDimple...

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by Anonymousreply 445Last Monday at 1:59 PM

Mary Testa is almost as annoying as COVID.

by Anonymousreply 446Last Monday at 2:35 PM

Nobody revives Curly McDimple because Ruthless! is as easy to produce and so much more satisfying

by Anonymousreply 447Last Monday at 2:55 PM

I love Mary Testa!

by Anonymousreply 448Last Monday at 2:55 PM

Well, CM was of its off-Broadway time like Dames, r447. They were products of the '30s nostalgia craze, so they were going for charm.

by Anonymousreply 449Last Monday at 3:12 PM

Exactly, r449, but charming child killer is so much more fun than Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.

BTW, by the 70s, it was 30s and 40s nostalgia which gave us the wonderful Over Here!

by Anonymousreply 450Last Monday at 3:25 PM

I think it's high time for some '90s nostalgia! Who's up for a Macaulay Culkin-themed musical?

by Anonymousreply 451Last Monday at 3:27 PM

We also had Shirley Dimple.

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by Anonymousreply 452Last Monday at 3:33 PM

It was certainly a craze by the beginning of 1971, r450. Ruthless! is also really of its time, as to fully appreciate it you have to be a Bad Seed fan. And I'd guess there were more of us around when it opened almost 30 years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 453Last Monday at 3:39 PM

Tyne's Gypsy, Part 1....

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by Anonymousreply 454Last Monday at 4:24 PM

It's so tragic that the 1980s and 1990s are now what's considered "nostalgic" by millions.

by Anonymousreply 455Last Monday at 5:10 PM

Uhhh....r455 ...that's sorta the way it works. The '20s and '30s were the same distance from the '70s. And what it comes down to is that what we're nostalgic for is our youth.

by Anonymousreply 456Last Monday at 5:17 PM

I realize that, of course, r456. But when I was young in the 1970s, the nostalgia craze was about the 1920s, 30s and 40s, all wonderfully interesting decades before I was born. I wish kids today were more into the 1950s, 60s and 70s.

by Anonymousreply 457Last Monday at 5:34 PM

Today, 2009 qualifies as nostalgic.

by Anonymousreply 458Last Monday at 5:40 PM

R457 Didn't Grease come out in the 70s?

by Anonymousreply 459Last Monday at 5:50 PM

Grease - stage show 1972. Film version 1978. So it was fewer than 15 years since the show was set. It would be the equivalent of a new musical opening now looking back on the halcyon days of 2005.

by Anonymousreply 460Last Monday at 6:26 PM

R460, but music, fashion, social behavior, and so many other things had changed radically between the time period in which GREASE is set (late '50s) and the writing and the production of the musical (early '70s). And anyway, yes, people who were teenagers in the late '50s were thirtyish adults in the '70s, and they're the ones who ate up GREASE.

by Anonymousreply 461Last Monday at 7:38 PM

[quote]Wanda is now a Reverend of some kind I think. I followed her on twitter and she followed back. I noticed her account got deleted after the Trump/capitol riot. I kind of think she was posting Trump won type stuff but not sure. But her account is suspended now.

Wanda Richert is a straight-up Qhole, [r398]/[r399]. Her FB page is littered with Q quotes and groupthink. Yes, she is some kind of self-proclaimed "Reverend", complete with miracle cures and crackpot theories. About 5 years ago, she lived in Florida and had a heavy drug problem. Ketamine, Molly. Cocaine. Lived in poverty and was homeless. An attempted intervention by her ex-husband, Irwin Myers, and their daughter was met by suicide threats. There was talk of 51/50ing her, and suddenly she was in flyover country and became a Reverend.

She was never stable, though. I worked with her on 42nd Street, and she was a nut job then. Oddly, drugs and religion do not appear to have been helpful.

That was terrifying, [r444], though Diedre Goodwin is my 2nd favorite Velma. My favorite was Mamie Duncan-Gibbs. Diedre is in this clip, as are Michael Berresse, Bruce Anthony Davis (RIP), John Mineo (RIP), Jim Borstelmann, Caitlin Carter. Rosa Curry, Rocker Verastique, Michael Kubala, David Warren-Gibson, and a few others I cannot identify for a certainty.

Also, because it cannot be overstated, apt and elegantly put, [r400]

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by Anonymousreply 462Last Tuesday at 8:27 AM

I saw Mamie play Mama and she was fantastic.

by Anonymousreply 463Last Tuesday at 9:10 AM

I bet she was, r463!

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by Anonymousreply 464Last Tuesday at 9:13 AM

thanks r462

by Anonymousreply 465Last Tuesday at 9:18 AM

I miss Valens' videos.

by Anonymousreply 466Last Tuesday at 9:21 AM

A big difference in nostalgia is that fashion has changed very little in the past 20 years. The reason for this is there really aren't the dos and don'ts rules that were always in place in past decades. In the last 20 years we've all been encouraged to wear what we like and not pay too much attention to the latest trends., which are mostly just followed by well-to-do teenagers and 20-somethings.

by Anonymousreply 467Last Tuesday at 9:24 AM

I miss Valens, too. Amazing stuff.

by Anonymousreply 468Last Tuesday at 10:38 AM

I'm only sorry I didn't get to watch more of them before they disappeared

by Anonymousreply 469Last Tuesday at 10:39 AM

R469. I copy youtube vids as soon as they pop up. There’s free software online that allows you to copy and save to your computer.

by Anonymousreply 470Last Tuesday at 10:44 AM

i know, i have the software, too, but I got lazy about ripping and just saved the links. i won't make that mistake anymore. thank you, though.

by Anonymousreply 471Last Tuesday at 11:13 AM

Isn’t Valens now WithOneLook on YT? I think so.

by Anonymousreply 472Last Tuesday at 11:49 AM

Fuck No I Am Not.

I am building back up, finally reupped Rock Follies, woop, am going back to my original plan, of posting things in relation to discussions, rather than the endless posting I was doing during lockdown. But, as always, do requests.


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by Anonymousreply 473Last Tuesday at 11:52 AM

Love you, Valens!

by Anonymousreply 474Last Tuesday at 11:56 AM

You are THE BEST Valens. I’m just the carbon copy you read when you can’t find the original.

by Anonymousreply 475Last Tuesday at 11:59 AM

R475 Bwahahah bless. You do good work, son. x

by Anonymousreply 476Last Tuesday at 12:01 PM

Looks like Emma, indeed, made a pretty swell Sally...

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by Anonymousreply 477Last Tuesday at 12:26 PM

She was also a delight as a company member unlike Michelle Williams

by Anonymousreply 478Last Tuesday at 12:40 PM

I've said before that I think a film remake of "Cabaret" with Emma Stone as Sally Bowles and Alan Cumming as the Emcee would be pretty awesome. (Even at this point I think he's still young enough to pull it off.) The "re-revival" from a few years ago was terrific, particularly when Stone took over the role.

by Anonymousreply 479Last Tuesday at 12:44 PM

Cabaret with Alan Cumming and Jane Horrocks.

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by Anonymousreply 480Last Tuesday at 2:06 PM

mwah, Valens!

by Anonymousreply 481Last Tuesday at 2:31 PM

Hi Valens, any chance you could post the recent Lincoln Center MFL revival? Any cast will do :).

by Anonymousreply 482Last Tuesday at 3:10 PM

Only bootlegs of that.

by Anonymousreply 483Last Tuesday at 3:20 PM

Thank you, Valens. You are a gift, a true gift! Show Queens all over the world adore you!

by Anonymousreply 484Last Tuesday at 3:40 PM

[quote]and i like full length

Size queen!

by Anonymousreply 485Last Tuesday at 3:58 PM

R479. I stood in the cancellation line for two hours in the rain to see Emma Stone and Alan Cumming—worth every minute.

by Anonymousreply 486Last Tuesday at 4:30 PM

I can see you now, r486...

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by Anonymousreply 487Last Tuesday at 4:43 PM

R484 Follies!

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by Anonymousreply 488Last Tuesday at 6:08 PM

Valens and WithOneLook - you're both wonderful! Now, if only Muriel would fix the damn theatre threads. Why do they -- seemingly more than any other thread -- keep dropping off of so many of our watchlists? Does Muriel hate the theatre?

by Anonymousreply 489Last Tuesday at 7:16 PM

Was this from the Lebanese production of Night Music?

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by Anonymousreply 490Last Tuesday at 7:20 PM

If this is a bootleg it has to be one of the oldest boots in the history of boots.

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by Anonymousreply 491Last Tuesday at 7:31 PM

R490 Oh girrrrrl, that is good.

Lois is so neat.

by Anonymousreply 492Last Tuesday at 8:12 PM

R490 Is that John McMartin?

by Anonymousreply 493Last Tuesday at 8:34 PM

Well, if you're wondering why anyone with eyes would find him attractive, then it must be John McMartin.

by Anonymousreply 494Last Tuesday at 9:35 PM

[quote] If this is a bootleg it has to be one of the oldest boots in the history of boots.

There were no bootlegs until 1980. The "Fiddler" footage at R491 is pro-shot, from an early '80s tour with Bernardi and a recreation of the original staging and design.

by Anonymousreply 495Last Tuesday at 9:42 PM

^ Really?

by Anonymousreply 496Last Tuesday at 11:00 PM

Lebanese Jean as Desiree???

oh dear

by Anonymousreply 497a day ago

I remember Curley McDimple being all over TV in the early 70s.

We miss you Bayn Johnson!

by Anonymousreply 498a day ago

I wish the sound quality was better, r490. But it looks like Miss Nettleton was a lovely and elegant Desiree.

by Anonymousreply 49919 hours ago

Will Girl From North Country come. back or throw in the shredded, Depression era towel?

by Anonymousreply 50019 hours ago


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by Anonymousreply 50119 hours ago

There were certainly audio bootlegs and home movies, r495.

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by Anonymousreply 50219 hours ago

"That's the one where I ACTED!" -- The Term

by Anonymousreply 50319 hours ago

What's it all about, World?

by Anonymousreply 50418 hours ago

R495, Ruth Jaroslaw is definitely Yente in that footage. And I think either Dolores Wilson or Peg Murray is playing Golde. I think it’s actually pre-shot from 1967 or 1968, not the early 80s.

by Anonymousreply 50518 hours ago

[quote]But it looks like Miss Nettleton was a lovely and elegant Desiree.

I saw this production. 1991 at the Doolittle Theatre in Hollywood.

I remember being enchanted by the whole thing (but, then, it was my first time seeing ALNM on stage). In addition to Lois Nettleton and John McMartin, the cast included Michelle Nicastro as Anne and Glynis Johns as Madame Armfeldt. Carl-Magnus was played by Jeff McCarthy.

Here's a video of "A Weekend in the Country" that is in much better shape than the "Send in the Clowns" above.

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by Anonymousreply 50618 hours ago

R502 [quote] There were certainly audio bootlegs and home movies.

I was obviously referring to the fact that there were no video bootlegs--full shows with sound--until 1980.

R505 [quote] I think it’s actually pre-shot from 1967 or 1968, not the early 80s.

It's not. I've had the same video, in better quality, for well over thirty years. It consists of one hour of pro-shot musical numbers from a 1983 Herschel Bernardi tour, with Thelma Lee, Ruth Jaraslow (who made an entire career of Yente), and Paul Lipson.

by Anonymousreply 50717 hours ago

I went to see a small production of ALNM in North Hollywood about 20 years ago directed by John Rubinstein. It was the first time ever seeing the show and the only songs I knew were Send in the Clowns and A Weekend in Country (from the Sondheim Celebration in 93). I wasn't even sure what the show was about. The only people in the cast I knew of were Jane Lanier, Matthew Ashford and Rubinstein himself.

The theater was awful, and the seats were basically folding chairs on bleachers. It was a real low rent event. Act One was absolutely interminable. The performances were bad, the direction was bad, the whole thing was sub-high school. At intermission, we were debating whether or not to stay for the 2nd act when I noticed that Joanna Gleason was sitting in the row in front of me a few seats over. I looked horrified and wondered what someone who worked w/ Sondheim so spectacularly must be thinking of this thing when she turned and looked right at me. My face must have said it all, because she discretely nodded and then we both laughed.

by Anonymousreply 50816 hours ago

Piaf with Jane Lapotaire and Zoe Wanamaker.

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by Anonymousreply 50916 hours ago

[quote] Piaf with Jane Lapotaire and Zoe Wanamaker.

Plus a young Jean Smart as Marlene Dietrich!

by Anonymousreply 51016 hours ago

Oh yes. She is marvellous.

by Anonymousreply 51116 hours ago

Great story, r508!

by Anonymousreply 51216 hours ago

When I saw Piaf on broadway Jane was out and some unknown named Judith Ivey went on in her place. She was amazing. Thanks for the video. Now I can finally see Jane :)

by Anonymousreply 51315 hours ago

R513 Judith is also in it. She has a small dog.....

by Anonymousreply 51415 hours ago

r513 - fun! I was surprised to find how much I enjoyed Judith Ivey in the excellent LA Opera production of A Little Night Music from the early 2000s. LA Opera very smartly loaded the cast with Broadway vets, rather than opera singers. Really excellent cast... Victor Garber, Laura Benanti, Michelle Pawk, Zoe Caldwell, Marc Kudisch and a young pre-movies fame Kristen Bell.

by Anonymousreply 51515 hours ago

I'll admit from the start I'm an eldergay but can someone please explain to me where Kristen Bell's fame and attachment to musical theater comes from?

by Anonymousreply 51614 hours ago

Wasn't Kristen in Ruthless? I know she did Reefer Madness Off Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 51714 hours ago

Tom Sawyer, r516!

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by Anonymousreply 51814 hours ago

[quote] When I saw Piaf on broadway Jane was out and some unknown named Judith Ivey went on in her place. She was amazing. Thanks for the video. Now I can finally see Jane :)

Judith Ivey was the matinee alternate for Jane; it was quite a taxing role.

[quote] I was surprised to find how much I enjoyed Judith Ivey in the excellent LA Opera production of A Little Night Music from the early 2000s. LA Opera very smartly loaded the cast with Broadway vets, rather than opera singers. Really excellent cast... Victor Garber, Laura Benanti, Michelle Pawk, Zoe Caldwell, Marc Kudisch and a young pre-movies fame Kristen Bell.

Some clips from the L.A. Opera production:

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by Anonymousreply 51914 hours ago

Kristen Bell in the off-Broadway production of "Reefer Madness" that preceded the TV film:

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by Anonymousreply 52014 hours ago

^ I bloody loved that show, the LA cast album was brilliant. Shame 9/11 killed it in New York.

by Anonymousreply 52114 hours ago

The vanishing Tony Awards must go on:

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by Anonymousreply 52213 hours ago

Please. Only Jeremy O. Harris and Danny Burstein give a shit.

by Anonymousreply 52312 hours ago

And little sad Aaron.

by Anonymousreply 52412 hours ago

In honor of National Swing Day, 9 Broadway Stars Who Made Their Debut as Swings:

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