I Want Pelosi to Begin 2nd Impeachment Very Soon

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told his Republican colleagues in the upper chamber that the earliest a second impeachment trial of President Trump would begin is January 20th, the day President-elect Joe Biden will be sworn into office.

They don't want to vote against him

It's not entirely up to Pelosi and I don't know why people think it is. She tried to push it through quickly but they need unanimous House approval for it and of course McCarthy objected, so now they have to go through the regular procedure.

Also we have 400,000 threads on this already.

Even if he's impeached, he'll just pardon himself.

President Biden better be very careful. Probably plenty of Trump deplorables who want to assassinate him because they're true "patriots".

There is so much misunderstanding of the constitution and procedure on this site. Trump cannot pardon himself. It’s not happening. There is nothing in the constitution about it. Every constitutional scholar agrees. Period.

McConnell can refuse to bring it to the Senate until the 20th but he will receive the most incredibly intense pressure he’s ever received in his life to move forward. It’s not at all clear that he will be able to withstand that pressure.

It amazing how quickly you’re all forgetting that everyone’s life in that building was directly threatened by Trump, and that includes all the Republicans and McConnell. They are not motivated in the slightest to protect him or Trumpism.

Consider too if you will that on January 26, Rev. Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff will be seated in the Senate. So Mconnell better learn which side his bread is buttered on sooner than the 20th.

Thanks for being a voice of reason, R6.

I can’t believe there’s a muppet on this board who thinks the president can pardon himself from impeachment.

JFC.

It's clear that some elements in that mob wanted to kill Pelosi and Pence. I don't get why Pence has avoided the 25th.

Pence says out of fear Trump will do something (else) insane as the process is underway, like bombing Iran. It's not instant - Pence can't just say "begone.: It takes a day or two to accomplish and even then, Trump could come back. The potential exists you could have Pence Acting President and Trump attempting to regain the office. Section Four of the amendment:

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

Pense should surprise him with the declaration after Pelosi and Moscow Mitch guarantee they will NOT bring the vote to permanently discharge the president (2/3 vote within 21 days). End of Trump.

Pence

R11 and how would it be a surprise with Trump's cabinet the ones voting to boot him? Do you think the vote will be unanimous?

Or that no one would call the White House?

Reading the cut above it doesn't have to be the Cabinet. It can be the congress and VP to write the first declaration that temporarily removes power. But I agree, its not clear you can get either the cabinet or congress.

But it is enraging that the THREAT of Trump throwing another deadly hissy fit is the reason he can't be removed, for throwing deadly hissy fits. Its a silly circle and the grown ups should. put a end to it. FUCK THE REPUBLICANS, all of them.

R4 Aside from the question of whether a President can pardon himself, a President CANNOT use the power of the pardon to stop an impeachment, of any Federal Officer, not just the presidency. It is the one written limitation to the power of Presidential Pardon. If Pence was being impeached Trump couldn't pardon him - he doesn't have that power.

[quote]I Want Pelosi to Begin 2nd Impeachment Very Soon

Why would you think anyone would care what YOU want?

"such other body as Congress may by law provide" means a commission. As the result of hearings and a vote. Nancy can't just appoint 'em, nor could they do that in an afternoon, either.

Had they not been interrupted by the rioters, Congress - even with shitheads like Cruz, Hawley, and a hundred-plus traitorous Republicans delaying the inevitable certification of the votes - would have needed eight or nine hours to complete the process.

Trump could do a lot of damage in eight or nine hours. Pence, even if belatedly, seems to realize that. Trump has to be impeached and even that process, if it began tomorrow, would require a day or two while it's being done.

[quote] and how would it be a surprise with Trump's cabinet the ones voting to boot him?

Which opens another constitutional dilemma door:

If trump found out that, say the Secretary of Agriculture for instance, was going to sign for the 25th, he’d immediately fire him. Since no other Secretary could be confirmed that quickly, technically Agriculture’s signature isn’t worth squat.

Also, a lot of his cabinet is acting, having not been confirmed by the senate. Do their signatures count?

This whole action is unprecedented (even though that word is way overused, especially this year!) so there aren’t any definitive answers.

Aside from the general craziness of Dump & Co., I want them to impeach him because it takes away his lifeline: the ability to raise funds to run again. That, along with the lack of SS protection and the general stink of being the ONLY president actually removed from office, will destroy any aspirations he has for a post-presidency life.

There are no doubt still crazies devoted to the cult of Dump, but at some point, most others will move on to some other odious creep & Dump will be left in the trash heap where he belongs

With regard to Trump doing something insane or incredibly dangerous, I'm more worried about his planned trip to Texas, my home state. You know it's one of the most heavily armed states. And, at least as far back as 1963, people have been concerned about its dangerous right-wing millionaires, now billionaires. He's coming down here because he thinks some how or another, it'll will save his fat ass. I don't know what he's up to, but he's up to something.

OP has set her boundaries!!!

They should've started on this three days ago. Because if Trump declares a national state of emergency and brings out the PEADs (Presidential Emergency Action Documents), all bets will be off. We will head into full insurrection territory. There's no going back from that.

I agree R22. We’re still in real danger. He is fascinated by his secret Presidential powers, according to Newsweek.

We’re closer than we’ve ever been to full constitutional meltdown and total dictatorship.

Wednesday is the earliest they can take it up.

Sorry - Wednesday is the earliest they can vote on it. From MSNBC now (Hallie Jackson's hour).

[quote]Aside from the general craziness of Dump & Co., I want them to impeach him because it takes away his lifeline: the ability to raise funds to run again. That, along with the lack of SS protection and the general stink of being the ONLY president actually removed from office, will destroy any aspirations he has for a post-presidency life.

Impeachment is easy; removal (which is what you actually want) is difficult if not impossible.

Here we go

And the Republicans refused unanimous consent, so it goes to a vote later this week.