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A Man For All Seasons

One of the greatest movies I've ever seen

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by Anonymousreply 5901/15/2021

When the old DL was populated with decent people, this thread would have been on fire.

by Anonymousreply 101/05/2021

If Thomas was so Saintly, why did he take Averil Maichland's silver goblet?

by Anonymousreply 201/05/2021

They made Thomas Moore out to be a hero of principle. in fact he was another murderous religious fanatic. He ordered the execution and torture of hundreds of protestant "heretics". Which of course is why he became Saint Thomas Moore.

by Anonymousreply 301/05/2021

The big government fans (i.e. Biden voters) will side with Henry VIII in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 401/05/2021

I've always loved Thomas More.

That's all.

by Anonymousreply 501/05/2021

DO THEY TAKE ME FOR A SIMPLETON

by Anonymousreply 601/05/2021

Anything that MOVES

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by Anonymousreply 701/05/2021

Thomas More was much more than that,

Explain to to me your idea of him .

He died for his beliefs.

I'll bet you wouldn't even as stand by a friend for your beliefs.

by Anonymousreply 801/05/2021

I think you can thank Hilary Mantel for casting More in a more complex, less saint-like light; he was a religious fanatic responsible for the torture & execution of many as noted above. This movie portrays him as a man of principle unwilling to back down, but possibly he was just a good old fashioned fanatic willing to be martyred for his "righteous cause"

by Anonymousreply 901/05/2021

This scene is perfection.

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by Anonymousreply 1001/05/2021

"Thomas Moore"

by Anonymousreply 1101/05/2021

R12, we call them Tom and Hank.

by Anonymousreply 1201/05/2021

Brilliant Scofield. Should be required viewing for every Republican. Because few of them have any morals or conscience.

by Anonymousreply 1301/05/2021

You are so right, r10

Scofield is absolute perfection.

by Anonymousreply 1401/05/2021

R13 sentences are supposed to have both a noun and a verb.

by Anonymousreply 1501/05/2021

I love how all the people who shouted "Russia Russia Russia" for three years now claim to be unimpeachable seekers of the truth, like Thomas More.

by Anonymousreply 1601/05/2021

Where would you hide, Roper?

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by Anonymousreply 1701/05/2021

r9, Mantel is on record as having said that part of the point of her books was to take down Thomas More's legacy.

While upping the despicable, disgusting Thomas Cromwell.

by Anonymousreply 1801/05/2021

Hard to believe that the guy behind More at R10's clip is (with the unfortunate haircut) is John Hurt

by Anonymousreply 1901/05/2021

"the despicable, disgusting Thomas Cromwell"

Oh please - More and Cromwell were both fanatics. Both were responsible for reprehensible actions. Both were destroyed by a mad king.

The one I always feel (slightly) sorry for is Thomas Wolsey

by Anonymousreply 2001/05/2021

R16 fuck you Kellyanne. He damn well worked with Russia, as did his missing link sons.

by Anonymousreply 2101/05/2021

R21 you and your ilk would cut down every law in the country to get at him if you had to, wouldn't you?

by Anonymousreply 2201/05/2021

R22 nope that’s Cheetos specialty if he could get away with it.

by Anonymousreply 2301/05/2021

R10, that scene is indeed perfection. It must be noted that it is so in no small part because of Nigel Davenport and Leo McKearn.

by Anonymousreply 2401/05/2021

*McKern

by Anonymousreply 2501/05/2021

The recent series The Spanish Princess (about Catherine of Aragon) depicted Moore torturing men in his house.

by Anonymousreply 2601/05/2021

How was Cromwell a fanatic? He was ruthless, but in service to the King.

by Anonymousreply 2701/05/2021

Cromwell was a fanatical Protestant - the way he went after the monastic foundations went beyond just service to the King. He wanted the Roman faith completely discredited, not just suppressed (and I'm an admirer - Cromwell made Machiavelli look like a beginner)

But then there is always the argument that he served Henry completely- and what Henry wanted, Henry got.

And when Henry didn't get, someone had to pay... and that's when the axe came out (the Anne of Cleeves fiasco)

by Anonymousreply 2801/05/2021

r26, Early Modern houses rarely had cellars, far less one which would enable torture. Also, More wrote against the Ottoman habit of crucifixion.

I understand the Protestants very much wanted the Catholic More to have tortured someone a la the later Bloody Mary but, unfortunately there is zero evidence of that.

by Anonymousreply 2901/05/2021

Who said anything about a cellar? The rack was set up in one of the main rooms. The King’s cousin, Lady Margaret Poole, stumbles upon it.

Footnote: She too ultimately will meet Henry’s axe.

by Anonymousreply 3001/05/2021

Really?

Do you have a link please, r30?

by Anonymousreply 3101/05/2021

Brilliant movie.

I saw the Broadway play with Frank Langella, and he was very compelling as Sir Thomas More.

by Anonymousreply 3201/05/2021

[quote] that’s Cheetos specialty

R23 Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 3301/05/2021

For r16.

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by Anonymousreply 3401/05/2021

It's MORE, not MOORE.

by Anonymousreply 3501/05/2021

For R34

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by Anonymousreply 3601/05/2021

R31– I’m talking about a TV series. You can see it on Starz.

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by Anonymousreply 3701/05/2021

Brilliant film, perfectly realized! It's SO good, it can make 20th and 21st century viewers are deeply about 16th century politics!

It's better than the similar "Beckett", which is BTW a beatification of a truly horrible person. Thomas Beckett wanted everyone who was associated with the church to be above the law, or above secular law, King Henry II wanted to bring the rule of law to his kingdom, and make the same laws apply to rich, poor, civilians, and people associated with the church. Henry was absolutely right and Beckett was wrong, but Beckett was treated as a martyr by people who found secular law inconvenient, and was canonized after his death. If that isn't proof of the corruption of the medieval church, I don't know what is.

by Anonymousreply 3801/05/2021

R19 he may have looked like an extra in that scene but Richard Rich (John Hurt) becomes important later in the movie.

by Anonymousreply 3901/06/2021

Incredible play as well as an utterly fantastic film.

by Anonymousreply 4001/08/2021

Our Faye was in the original Broadway play, yet they did not use her in the film.

For this reason, I refuse to watch it. EVER!

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by Anonymousreply 4101/08/2021

[quote] One of the greatest movies

I can't agree, R1. I'd call it more of a treatise, a talk-fest, or an argument rather than cinema.

[quote] They made Thomas More out to be a hero of principle.

Robert Bolt did that, R3. Why? Did he merely want to have an intellectual argument?

Was Robert Bolt Catholic? Was he reacting to the pompous TS Eliot and his then new-found popularity writing 'Murder In The Cathedral' (which I have not seen. Have you seen it? I hear it was rather solemn and dreary).

by Anonymousreply 4201/08/2021

[quote] The big government fans (i.e. Biden voters) will side with Henry VIII in this thread. [quote] Should be required viewing for every Republican.

Can you enlarge on these idea of yours, R4 and R13. This monarch's behaviour of half-a-millennia distance seems a little distant to me from the current mess.

by Anonymousreply 4301/08/2021

"half-a-millennia"

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 4401/08/2021

The Spanish Princess -especially Season 2, was quite historically inaccurate.

by Anonymousreply 4501/08/2021

A movie about White Boy problems.

by Anonymousreply 4601/08/2021

[quote] White Boy

Could you expand on that, R46?

The Austrian Zimmerman assembled a cornball cast. The American Orson Welles playing an English Cardinal and the hero is married to a woman a full decade older than him.

by Anonymousreply 4701/08/2021

[quote] the guy with the unfortunate haircut is John Hurt

Yes, R19, Corin Redgrave had the same haircut and he never looked as pretty ever.

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by Anonymousreply 4801/08/2021

^ It's a tragedy that the gorgeous Michael Redgrave would spawn a homely-looking son.

Vanessa is the identical match for her mother, Rachel Kempson. But Lynn… I'm not sure about her.

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by Anonymousreply 4901/08/2021

"Executioner, bring me the ax!".

by Anonymousreply 5001/08/2021

R43 don't you know that there is nothing new under the sun. Human nature never changes.

by Anonymousreply 5101/09/2021

[quote] Human nature never changes.

Thomas More never changed. He refused to change and he was beheaded for all his pig-headedness.

His act of refusing to change makes the play title rather ironic. He wasn't a 'man for seasons' at all.

He wanted his own season and refused to accept any others'.

by Anonymousreply 5201/10/2021

"I'd rather have you go BALD to the cathedral than looking like a tramp!"

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by Anonymousreply 5301/10/2021

[quote] unimpeachable seekers of the truth

All those men who seek for the truth, who loved 'A Man for All Seasons', and are happy to accept the label of 'Intellectual Social-justice-warriors should watch the 1948 film called 'The Winslow Boy'.

It's similar to 'A Man for All Seasons' with its cut-and-thrust debate. But it's different in that it’s in black and white, has a hint of elegance and also a bat-squeak of sex-appeal.

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by Anonymousreply 5401/11/2021

Scofield was never pretty.

Was it some kind of acne? Even Cecil Beaton couldn't make him pretty.

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by Anonymousreply 5501/12/2021

Scofield didn’t need to be beautiful. He was probably the best interpreter of Shakespeare of any British actor. His voice was a gift from God. Not to mention his acting. A poll was done of British actors of the best stage performance and Scofields King Lear won. Richard Burton said of the 10 best Shakespearean performance eight were probably Scofields or something along those lines. He showed up for his Tony win for Man for All Seasons (he might’ve been in NY on stage anyway) but skipped and didn’t care for the Oscars. The Oscar was shipped to him in England and was broken in transport. He never repaired it.

by Anonymousreply 5601/12/2021

[quote] A poll was done of British actors

Which poll? When?

by Anonymousreply 5701/12/2021

He was perverse. He knocked back 90% of roles offered to him.

He REFUSED to be a Luvvie!

by Anonymousreply 5801/12/2021

He played an old man in his very first film. He never played ingénues.

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by Anonymousreply 5901/15/2021
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