Why is LA getting hit so much harder by Covid than San Fran?

We like to brood by ourselves while wearing black and being feeling superior.

Nobody calls it “San Fran”...

Because the assholes from Orange County keep coming up and holding superspreader events

I think the fog rolling in pushes out the germs.

While the same phenomena that causes smog to collect over LA keeps the germs in as well.

All the stinking shit on the Frisco sidewalks makes the place uninhabitable, even to Covid-19.

Maybe because many who go there don't have the mentality for mask-wearing and social distancing.

We like to socialize in LA. We did the Santa Monica strip last night. Mask-wearing by the bar patrons is hit-or-miss, but I had Covid back in March so I feel fairly safe and immune. Life is just too short to miss out on a weekend night.

LA County has a far bigger population.

As evidenced by r8, there are a lot of stupid people in LA.

r9, basing it on a per capita basis avoids apples to oranges comparisons.

And r2, better to call it San Fran than Frisco, like r6.

On a serious note, this ought to curl your hair. LA is in crisis not seen since earthquakes. I just don’t understand how we got here. Maybe because SF totally shutdown in March and citizens got used to it. Or realized the danger and complied.

A smaller county adjoining LA, Riverside, is at a breaking point with COVID and available hospital beds.

This will be controversial, but just give the vaccine to anyone that wants it. Start a line. Fuck these priorities and the stupid mechanisms to vax certain folks over others. Good intentions but not working. Government’s lame procedures keep the vax in refrigerators and not arms.

Calling it "Frisco" is sure to push the buttons of people like R11, making it more fun to call the place "Frisco" than "San Fran."

R11

Per capita comparison is flawed in this case because a far greater population = far more people to control. San Francisco’s much smaller population is easier to get in order in a large scale.

r14, you're not ready for prime time.

LA collects more taxes and therefore has more resources with which to enforce social distancing laws, administer vaccines, hire health care professionals, etc.

[quote]San Francisco’s much smaller population is easier to get in order...

Oh, my. Someone doesn't know San Francisco very well.

That's a big, broad, assumption made about size in R14's post. We've all learned that doesn't always work out as hoped.

No snark here, but the intelligence level of the citizens is much higher in SF than LA. I think we can all agree on this fact.

Try this one:

San Francisco is so expensive that the vast majority of people who live there are white collar workers who can work out of their homes and abide by lockdown rules. And there aren't very many old people or multigenerational households in SF.

LA is a large city and, especially in the poorer districts, you have families living very close to each other and in multigenerational households and holding down jobs that require them to go to work every day, thus exposing themselves to the virus.

I suspect the rates in Santa Monica and Brentwood are considerably lower than on the East Side.

OT a bit, but California ICU beds only open up when a patient dies.

SF is mostly Asians who know how to act during a pandemic.

LA is mostly Mexicans that sleep 10 to a room.

R20. Not even smart enough to be racist.

R20

Dumbass. LA is not even among the worst of where Latinxs are hit by COVID-19. Latinxs are hit hardest in San Francisco and Denver.

[quote] LA is mostly Mexicans that sleep 10 to a room.

Ten? Ten?

Ten meant half my family was away on vacation. Ten would’ve been a luxury.

[quote] LA is not even among the worst of where Latinxs are hit by COVID-19. Latinxs are hit hardest

Latinos are hit hardest by your racist assumptions that we want to be referred to as some bullshit SJW-invented word.

Fuck out of here with that bullshit.

R20 - he’s generalizing of course, but I do know of Mexican and Asian families here in LA that live 8-12 people in a small apartment.

This is just the apitiser guys.

Wait until you get B117 strain from us here in the UK.

70% more transmissible.

Stay the fuck safe guys.

R24

Latin”o” is masculine and assumes male. Latinx is gender neutral and all-encompassing.

Both my white and Mexican relatives in LA have been posting pictures on social media of large birthday parties, holidays gatherings, etc. No masks. Looks like our Asian friends have been sticking closer to home.

[quote]Life is just too short to miss out on a weekend night.

What a repulsive cunt R8 is.

R26, they’ve already found a couple of cases in California.

[quote] Latin”o” is masculine and assumes male. Latinx is gender neutral and all-encompassing.

Bullshit you fucking bulldyke.

Latino encompasses Latino and Latina and has been that way since the start of the language. ‘X’ doesn’t represent anyone since I’ve never known anyone whose gender was an X.

Imagine being so fucking arrogant that not only do you have the audacity to think you should change a language that’s been around for hundreds of years, but when you’re told how offensive it is to the people you’re actually referring to ignorantly claim “it’s not offensive.”

Imagine someone calling you “Blondie” all day. You say to them, “Please don’t call me that just because my hair is blond. I find it offensive.” You resound, “but there’s nothing offensive about it!”

[quote] This is just the apitiser guys.

This is the what now?

Yes it doesn't surprise me R30. Bearing in mind how slowly the initial cases took to travel the globe, I can see that becoming the dominant strain by 8 weeks.

Somewhere else in the world is going to have another new variant at some point.

R8’s response should answer this question. Lots of entitled twats in LA.

There’s always a crowd at the graveyard, R8.

[quote] I can see that becoming the dominant strain by 8 weeks.

Do we know whether or not it’s the current dominant strain? We’re just now testing specifically for that strain and that would account for the spikes across the nation if the “new” strain is more contagious.

The topography/geography of the Bay Area is less conducive to intermingling of people from different areas than it is in LA. And it's silly to think that a virus respects city limits. So we should be talking about metro areas, not cities.

r8 is a good example. it seems like LA is completely stupid about COVID

r37, we ARE talking about metro areas.

"San Francisco is so expensive that the vast majority of people who live there are white collar workers who can work out of their homes and abide by lockdown rules. And there aren't very many old people or multigenerational households in SF."

I think R18 is largely correct, the tech influx that priced so many other people out of SF means that an unusually high proportion of the population has a STEM education, and can work from home. And the only youngish people who can afford to live there are the aforementioned techies, so the population skews older, which also means more people who can stay home and who are motivated to do so. Not to mention the large Asian population, which means more people who grew up hearing their mama or grandma tell them to wear a surgical mask when they had a cold, to keep from spreading the germs.

And I think the entertainment industry and the world-city glamour draws people like R8, thoughtless idiots who don't care what damage they do. Higher proportion of prosperous sociopaths in that city than elsewhere.

Your spell check must not be turned on...no such word as Latinx.

A city fixated on image, beauty, ego and celebrity is also stupid.

Who'd a think?

r41 doesn't like the word 'computer,' since it did not exist in his youth of the 1930s.

The effectiveness of liberalism/socialism/left-wing/progressive politics. People bitch about San Francisco’s liberalism - but because they held fast to liberal ideas of communal responsibility and logical, pragmatic policies, they were able to control this better than most places in the US. My right-leaning Northern California family have been bitching about the lockdown policies and relatively strict adherence of their community - but it’s is precisely because of that they are doing dramatically better at containing it.

Southern California - which is much more “balanced” in terms of political and social beliefs (aka, more Republicans) - never bought into the stricter leftist “fascism”. Individual rights over communal responsibility leads to this result.

I'd imagine that as a mecca for the entertainment industry (TV, film, porn), L.A. is home to many extroverts who have spent their lives schmoozing/partying/being seen. The thought of staying home...especially for those who live in shitty apartments or are house poor...is probably terrifying.

Conversely, as home to the tech and medical fields, San Fran is populated with a lot of introverts. There are also a lot of Asians, who comply with public health guidance, versus Hispanics, who don't.

“The same phenomen... IS...

Oh, dear !

There's something desperately wrong with thinking you can waltz into someone else's long-standing culture and begin making changes that better suit you own personal political philosophy.

That is such a deeply and profoundly wrong thing to do. Entirely disrespectful on every conceivable level.

[quote]There's something desperately wrong with thinking you can waltz into someone else's long-standing culture and begin making changes that better suit you own personal political philosophy.

a. and who's doing that precisely?

b. nobody, people are ignoring stay at home orders, doing whatever the fuck they want, and now the hospital system is at the point of collapse.

R48 Illegals are doing that precisely

The LA Times has a new article on this very question

Prosperous white people are the worst for doing "that precisely", R49! Either they've drunk the Republican kool-aid are determined to be out without masks no matter who they kill, or they just can't STAND another evening at home, and who cares of going out kills some old Boomer fucker!

No, the poor don't have any option but to go to their essential jobs whether working conditions are safe or not, and come home to shared housing because they can't afford anything else. It's the people who can do better that we should be leaning on, and we should be protecting the poor by making working conditions at essential jobs safer, instead of blaming them for our own irresponsibility.

I believe r47's post had to do with the Anglo use of Latin with an x, not whether Latinos were having spreader events.

I love it when asshole Californians turn on themselves. Go ghurls!!! Pull his hair!

Lots of people in SF can work from home.

Mask usage is nearly universal.

The city’s response to Covid has been aggressive and robust. When a friend came down with it in May, the city imposed a quarantine on him and his roommate, and even arranged for free food deliveries (and they aren’t charity cases by any means).

[quote]I do know of Mexican and Asian families here in LA that live 8-12 people in a small apartment.

Isn't this also true in San Jose and Silicon Valley?

Also, what's going on in San Diego?

[quote] Per capita comparison is flawed in this case because a far greater population = far more people to control. San Francisco’s much smaller population is easier to get in order in a large scale.

Well that’s quite possible, so then go ahead and look at the per capita hospitalization rates and see if your per theory holds up.

R48

R17 speaks the truth.

The intelligence of the Bay area is much higher than the intelligence of the LA area. That doesn't hurt.

[quote]I suspect the rates in Santa Monica and Brentwood are considerably lower than on the East Side.

And you would be right.

The LA County COVID map shows extremely high case numbers in East, South & Central L.A., but considerably fewer in the West Side & Beach cities. Examples:

Santa Monica - 2,942/100,000

Brentwood - 2,853 / 100,000

Redondo Beach - 2,415 / 100,000

Compton - 10,973 / 100,000

East Los Angeles - 13,815 / 100,000

Vernon - 37,371 / 100,000

Whittier Narrows - 41,180 / 100,000

What's your Latino population/ratio?

Do people who are hospitalised with Covid have to pay if they get well and are discharged?

Because we wear hats that enforce social distancing.

Interesting, r62.

I wonder why she didn’t get the big one.

No, r61. If they’re insured their insurance carrier picks it up with any shortfall paid by the federal government. If they’re uninsured, the federal government picks up the whole tab.

This only applies to COVID, this is not the norm in our healthcare system.

Everyone (and I mean everyone) wears masks up here. Many work from home (Financial District is barren). A lot of people don’t have cars up here and tend to stay in their own neighborhoods.

Nobody wants to ride MUNI, and Zipcars are getting pricier, so everybody stays home and gets food/groceries/booze/pot delivered.

SF partners with the State of California Public Health Department. UCSF, one of the world premier medical universities, is right there in SF. State of California Public Health Department is excellent. Sadly, cities and counties can opt out of partnering with the state of California.

It is not just LA (the city being hit). All Southern California counties are being hit hard. Like I said, cities and countries are not cooperating with the state of California Public Health Department. This is both reporting cases, and also implementing public health measures/programs for COVID-19.

Because LA is filled with entitled rich people who think they don’t have to follow rules.

Your observation is correct r65. SF takes this seriously. I have a house in BH. They are so lackadaisical here. Concern is a second thought.

All the auspies of SF were already social distancing.

R39, the Bay Area is much more than just SF. Look up SMSAs and then get back to us. The most accurate SMSA for the Bay Area includes SF, Oakland, and San Jose. It was recently truncated to exclude San Jose. The SMSA for Los Angeles did the same with the IE. To answer your question though, as has already been stated upthread, the collective IQ in the Bay Area is much higher than that of metro LA. I’ve lived both places and the difference is stark. Most (new) people I met in Los Angeles did not (even) know whether or not they resided in the City of Los Angeles. Seriously. It became painfully obvious during election cycles. I nearly had a stroke when the SF Valley attempted to secede from the City of Los Angeles. Gross ignorance.

This surge of cases, hospitalizations and deaths is from Thanksgiving, when cities defied the California Public Health Department. California has zero ICU capacity now. The Christmas and New Year defiance will be a month from now, so more hospitalizations and deaths. Furthermore, the cities are not shutting down, so all strains of corona viruses are spreading in the general population, right now as you read this.

Very Grim.

Because people did not want to defy social distancing/stay at home orders to go to a $3000/month studio in SF. Instead people of sf went elsewhere for thanksgiving, christmas and new years, if they were defying social distancing/stay at home orders. This is the why? But can SF PH measure be protective against all these returning covid cases, we shall see.

I saw people jammed together both indoor and outdoor seating at restaurants in my county. These small businesses really piss me off. I hate them now.

[quote] Both my white and Mexican relatives in LA have been posting pictures on social media of large birthday parties, holidays gatherings, etc. No masks. Looks like our Asian friends have been sticking closer to home.

I went to see my dr in Hampton Bays NY just before Christmas & I knew there was a microcluster there, so I decided “I’m going to park at the far end of the parking lot, away from anyone who might be coughing.” It was a L shaped parking lot, so I couldn’t see the far end until I turned, and I saw a backyard abutting the parking lot. In that backyard were a bunch of Spanish guys playing basketball, at least a dozen. None were wearing masks, it was cold and I could see their breath. I turned right around and parked as close to the road as possible.

My county is climbing in covid numbers every day and that’s not even the post-Christmas rush. In 2-3 weeks we’re going to see worse. People are such idiots. It’s not like we don’t have technology to speak to or see family on a screen.

LA = Dickensian England. A few very well off people, the majority of the rest crammed into overcrowded spaces and living in substandard conditions. It’s been an epidemic waiting to happen for years. It just so happens we’re having a pandemic and there’s almost nowhere else that’s been spared. There’s nowhere to go to get away from it.

Imagine it’s the late 1800s or early 1900s and there’s a typhoid epidemic or something in the crowded tenements of NYC. It would be a nightmare to try to get rid of it. That’s where we are now, basically.

That’s how hard it is to get rid of disease when people are crammed together in too expensive, tiny apartments, sharing a bathroom and can’t afford to not work. We really need to rethink how people live, maybe have more people work remotely in more spread out areas, but economically we’re so fragile, I’m afraid it’s just going to get worse. Workers have no leverage to negotiate any changes. You would hope even big businesses would understand uncontrolled pandemics aren’t good for their bottom line, and there will be more after this, but they’re so shortsighted they don’t care.

The Bay Area has the strictest most far reaching restrictions in the country. Particularly in Santa Clara county where they essentially drove the 49ers out of town. It's diabolical health director, Dr. Sara Cody started the first shelter in place back in March and she is constantly out restricting herself. In fact just announcing that now employee break rooms need to be shut down!

It’s because Los Angeles is full of Mexicans who don’t wear masks.

R77 for the win. It's proven by the stats. SF has a much smaller Latino population.

But - to be fair - we had it relatively under control until the Dodger and Laker Championship parties. Then came Halloween, Dios de los Muertos, Biden victory celebrations, Thanksgiving, etc.

And San Francisco is full of Asians who *do* wear masks.

r18 has it correctly. LA is densely packed with multi-generational families living under one roof and in those households, there are sometimes multiple people with service jobs/frontline workers. There is no way for these families to protect themselves in the long term when you have multiple people sharing kitchens and bathrooms.

Same goes for roommate situations.

R75 It has been nearly 10 months and the United States still does not have paid leave for all workers who are sick. And we have no way to keep people off airplanes who are coughing and sneezing. This is Trump's fault and legacy.

11% of LA homes and apartments have more than 1 person per room (this excludes bathrooms and I'd assume kitchens). WOW.

I think of people i know with roommates as not doing well financially....and yet more than 1 out of 10 apartments are packed with people living in the living rooms as well.

R80 - bullshit. Then how were we able to keep it under control until October? Same people.

Because they kept having parties. Spare me the whole front-line worker crap. So are a lot of black people and white people.

Latinos kept having parties and family get togethers.

R32 made me laugh.

[quote] the intelligence level of the citizens is much higher in SF than LA. I think we can all agree on this fact.

There ain't no doubt

San Francisco is a lot colder (temperature) than L.A. It was easier to stay indoors in SF, less tempting to go outside.

There are people who think you CANNOT catch the rona from family members or people they like. This false information must be circulating somewhere? They seem to think this is not a real virus, but a childish game of 'Cooties.' It's fucked up out there.

[quote]Dios de los Muertos

Oh, dear. It's Dia de los Muertos.

I think a lot of people - white, brown, black, pink - have a "whatever, just get covid and get it over with" attitude. We are now very very Us vs. Them and we all suffer. I'm in a smaller town in central CA, and even though statistically here, the Latino population has had steadily twice the number of cases since March, I see mostly some younger people who don't wear masks or social distance. We are in a tsunami situation now where covid B117 will stick to people twice as easily. Very much a disaster, because we all are so divided.

I passed through SF today, and in public spaces I saw about 98% mask wearing and social distancing. The only exception was a dog park, which was so crowded on a Saturday afternoon that some of the masked people were closer than 6' apart.

Is it like that in LA? Hmmm?

[quote] I wonder why she didn’t get the big one.

It was PEORIA.

The Bay area got the first COVID cases and shut down early. SF Mayor London Breed declared a state of emergency before the first COVID case was reported. I remember some VC Tweeting early on that people in Silicon Valley understood exponential growth and it scared them. I think that, in a nutshell, had a lot to do with it. The big tech employers started having people work at home back in February.

Meanwhile, the large Chinese population was hearing horror stories from Wuhan. An Asian friend of mine described an amazing rush at the local Ranch 99 (Asian supermarket chain) with people hauling out 50 lb. bags of rice.

Santa Clara County has and continues to have the highest numbers in the Bay area--and, yeah, it's East San Jose and the agricultural towns to the South--Mexicans and health-care workers. Even then, the restrictions held the spread in check until post-Thanksgiving.

So, yeah, a lot of is education and the kind of education that means people understand science and statistics. Not everyone--Elon Musk being a notorious ass--but enough that it makes a difference.

Even with the recent explosion, California is still only 34 in cases per 100,000 and we were way down on COVID deaths, but that's changing with the disaster in So Cal.

Of course, I say all this and my rich South Asian neighbors were throwing a fucking party tonight, so there are plenty of exceptions.

California is 90 cases per 100k.

Kansas, Utah, and Arizona have overtaken Tennessee since yesterday!

r83 Love the casual racism. I know plenty of white people who got together for Christmas and New Years.

Santa Clara county has an out of control health dictator, Dr. Sara Cody. That bitch is constantly working overtime coming up with new ways to control people's lives. You know she is just salivating when she announces a new order. She needs to be fired!

If R96's tweet is correct, perhaps the rest of us should just barricade the freeways that lead out of the LA Basin, and just contain the zombie apocalypse.

Gotta love white people getting offended over the word Latinx.

It came from Latino scholars around 2013/2014, and stemmed from Cherrie Moraga in a book of hers from 2011.

Cherrie Moraga is OUR QUEEN.

If she tells us to JUMP, we ALL say HOW HIGH, CHERRIE?

Is there still a large Latinx population in Frisco?

Do people remember hospitals being 'overrun' in 2018 during a bad flu season?

People in LA are still out and about, running all over town shopping, dining, socializing and attending church. They are not snowed in due to living in some horrid, dreary, frozen Flyoverstan dump. You do realize it was in the 80's here just the other day. Beach weather. Party time. Cocktails all around baby.. pass the nachos and bring me another margarita.

It’s karmic atonement for hair metal.

R94

My family included.

R77 R78

This is bullshit.

San Francisco’s Latinxs are infected at higher rates than Latinxs in other hard-hit cities. Only Denver is worst.

LA doesn’t even make this list.

R106

San Francisco did top out in two categories: it is the worst place for a Latinx resident to live, in terms of their chances of getting Covid-19. Much worse. A Latinx resident in San Francisco is five times more likely to get covid than other San Francisco residents.

Sexicans with their insect-like breeding habits and marginal living conditions, no surprises.

I don't understand the calls about racism here. SF has less Latino residents than SoCal, hence the lower number of cases.

There's no hiding behind the data. The case rates among Latinos are off the charts in many, many states. They do not perform more frontline work than Black or other populations. They are only slightly more likely to live in multi-generational households.

Sometimes you just have to admit when a community has dropped the ball. But no, we'd rather pretend it's not happening than to address it head on.

It's a matter of public health and data - it's not racist to point out the failures in a community.

R110 I agree with you 100%. Pretty much everyone in Merced Stockton and Salinas has Covid.No one is wearing masks.

[quote] Is there still a large Latinx population in Frisco?

No.

Because there’s no such fucking thing.

R106 and r108 you’re a fucking gash who just won’t get it will you?

SF has a bigger Asian community who masked up quickly. Life essentially just went on around whatever policies the city imposes. For a place where people live so close together, it's a miracle there aren't more cases. The fear now is someone traveling coming back with some mutant strain, so now travelers returning to SF have to self quarantine.

The city of SF shut down all bars and outdoor dining. We can't eat indoor or outdoors. I've seen my WeHo & NYC friends going to bars and drag shows. I'd rather be covid free than going out but it still sucks to be on lockdown while everyone else gets to go out.

Also, the entitled Tech Bros left SF in droves early on, so the partying has moved elsewhere.

"Sometimes you just have to admit when a community has dropped the ball. "

I also wonder if susceptibility varies in populations due to genetic factors, I mean we've only got a fucking year of research to work with, but there was one study that showed some gene variations meant greater susceptibility to severe forms of the disease. That's a possibility, but of course it's not one the Datalounge Detective Squad can investigate.

R117 - transmission and the severity of symptoms are not the same thing. I doubt there is any genetic difference in transmission. However, once people do get it, there are genetic and helath factors to consider in terms of the development of the disease.

We're talking cases though - transmission. I doubt there's any genetic component that makes one more susceptible for picking up a virus.

The presumption is that it is easier for Latinos to get it - and that's not true.

[quote]SF has a bigger Asian community who masked up quickly.

Not true. Even if you add the SF and San Jose areas together, it's less than the LA-OC area.

R119 Asians make up a bigger proportion of the SF population. Chinese alone is at 21% and adding in all other Asians, it's more than 32%. Whites are less than 50%, Hispanics are around 11% and blacks make up only 6%.

I definitely don’t appreciate the tone of “some communities dropped the ball”. Why? No, I’m not a sensitive prisspot. I actually think that poster secretly hates “Mexicans” (you know, they’re all from Mexico) and has been salivating over the chance to go after them. It’s just such an insensitive and tone-deaf way to discuss it.

There is a big difference between pointing out a behavior that needs to change versus pointing fingers and using an accusatory tone. I agree — we do have a problem with certain groups, there’s no doubt about it. But the TONE has to be about informing, educating, teaching. Not, “you people dropped the ball because you’re BROWN and DIRTY”. That is indeed the sub-meaning of all of it — I refuse to believe otherwise. That brown people are somehow less hygienic? And they’re dirty because they have multi-generational households with large family units? My my my, what terrible people those Mexicans are. It is insanity. Crackers are nasty pigs, I say this as a white person.

The groups that need customized messaging are: ANYONE in lower classes, Latino, Orthodox Jews, blacks, and fucking Evangelicals. With white people, it’s really all about the lower classes/those with socio-economic markers. These are the groups causing the problem who need a message tailored specifically to them. PSA’s just need a friendly face representing their group to get their attention. Imagine if say J. Lo did a mask message, or Tim Tebow did a mask message, Oprah, etc.? The campaigns need to blow away “this is your brain on drugs” PSA’s from the 80’s, that’s one proven method to exists public awareness,

Also, separate rant, but we need healthcare workers to accept the vaccine too. It doesn’t help when you read stories that they don’t want to be lab rats for big pharma. Shit, I don’t want to be their lab rat either, but hell yes I’ll take a shot!

R121 - and you're being oversensitive and reading racism into something that is not racist - it is proven with data. The question was specifically directed with SF has lower rates than SoCal.

A person on this board who worked at the SF Health Dept confirmed that the lower % of Latino population in the bay area is proving to be the reason for the lower amount of cases.

I just got back from my evening walk. What did I walk by? THREE separate evening family (seemingly) parties by Latinos. These houses have parties all the time in non-Covid times and it actually adds a nice feel in the evening to hear the music and laughing. They're not inconsiderate and they stop at specific time. But they should not be still having these!

And yes - I'm the one that said they dropped the ball. They did.

Latinos don’t give a fuck. Especially ones from Mexico. They cheat on their wives they fuck everything that walks. I don’t know why the fuck they’re in this country to begin with.

OMG, I hate this kind of talk. If you look at World-o-Meter, you can see that of all cases in this whole world, 99.5% of cases are mild and done, and .5% are serious. I'm telling you the priblem isn't just Latinos. I'm seeing wealthy white Republicans, younger people,etc. Who think 99% is good odds of Covid not being a big deal. I am one of ys who has hibernated since March because I don't want any part of this virus in my family or me. I still think it's not worth the risk. This is not just about Latinos, it's all of us. We are absolutely polarized, on two planets really, about how to view the data on this virus, and how to react to it.

In Florida right now, we have a 1.5% fatality rate.

If your hospitals are swamped and ill people can't be treated properly, your rate goes us.

Not to mention all the long haulers. When they tested those college athletes in Ohio (basketball players) who had had Covid, but survived, 30% of them had permanent cardiac damage. There's also brain damage, kidney and liver damage, lung damage. Even when Covid sort of is stamped out, we're going to have a lot of permanently sick and disabled people. (And traumatized people.)

Please be careful, bitches.

R122, I hear you, but I disagree. The tone you use when you are discussing something racial requires great discretion and sensitivity — I can walk and chew gum at the same time because I’m willing to say that race *is* a problem in our institutions, you can’t possibly treat people with dignity if you don’t own or even recognize all the dynamics at play.

Are you willing to acknowledge that “Mexicans” are engaged in behavior that is spreading the virus AND that we have a racism problem in this country? Everything in my post stated that I acknowledge that we have a problem, so you and I don’t even disagree darling! Literally the sole point where we contrast is that I don’t care for your sweeping generalizations of a race. I don’t know who the fuck your are, your credentials or education, you’re no expert, and neither am I. And aren’t you following the news? Most of the true super-spreaders are by those milky white white people. Peace.

The Bay Area is run by restriction happy Nazis and the public is just sitting by while their rights are taken away.

The people throwing corona virus parties in my community are not Mexican, they are white trash, nut jobs.

The restaurants that are defying Covid measures are Republicans and Anti Maskers. They are white Sociopaths.

I do not think it is the ethnicity. Super-spreaders are Republicans. They have been doing this from the beginning.

R128 - it depends on the state. For Tennessee, which has been hit VERY hard, it's predominantly white people. So yes, in that instance. However, the data from California is rather telling.

Rational Americans are at the Depression and Testing phase... they are tired of this shit and want a realistic way out of the pandemic. Deplorables are stuck at Anger and Bargaining (i.e. any conspiracy theory will do). Some minority communities might still be in the Denial phase and still having their usual gatherings like the virus is somebody else's problem and won't get to them.

This kind of shit isn't happening in SF. At least not yet.

OP the New Yorker answered your question.

The Bay Area is overly restrictive to the point of paranoia. But it's just going to continue indefinitely, unless people get a backbone and start fighting back.

R133 Mind your own business. The Bay Area is doing fine and will pull through better than a lot of other places.

r133, you're welcome to be a plague rat where you live, but please stay the fuck away from us.