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The night the lights went out in Monticello

December 28, 1984.

But it was dusk, after all. That period late in the evening when one reaches....the edge of night.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 226Last Sunday at 4:57 PM

I agreed to marry Del Emerson. But only after he signed a pre-nup

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 112/28/2020

I was dead, killed by poisoned makeup.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 212/28/2020

I used to watch this. It was gloriously trashy.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 312/28/2020

I was fucking fabulous.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 412/28/2020

A good part of that last cast is now dead.

and not necessarily just from old age.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 512/28/2020

Large number of gay men in the cast. At least three died from AIDS.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 612/28/2020

Wish they would rerun this somewhere. I've never seen it :(

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 712/28/2020

Serial asshole nutjob scholar is a god damned mess!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 812/28/2020

"The Edge of Night" started off as a sort of daytime version of "Perry Mason," with an emphasis on mystery and crime. Mason creator Erle Stanley Gardner was hired to oversee the series but had a falling out with CBS. The character of Mike Karr was originally played by John Larkin, who had played Perry Mason on radio. "The Edge of Night" and "As the World Turns" were the first 30-minute soaps and debuted the same day in 1956. (Soaps were previously only 15 minutes long.) The show's title came from its late-afternoon time slot and its darker themes.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 912/28/2020

Adam and Nicole were one of the first pairings that I was really rooting for. I guess you could say they were the show's super couple, but that was before the term super couple had been coined.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 1012/28/2020

Geraldine was a big ole lezzy.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 1112/28/2020

I loved the creepy choral intro and jazzy 80s outro. Saxy!

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 1212/28/2020

The Stephanie Martin murder mystery was my all-time favorite storyline. This was the plot that introduced Nicole to Monticello.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 1312/28/2020

[quote]I was dead, killed by poisoned makeup.—Nicole Travis Drake Cavanaugh

But by that time you had been recast twice, so nobody really cared anymore.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 1412/28/2020

It was never the same after they dropped the "the".

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 1512/28/2020

"Guiding Light" also dropped the "The" at some point.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 1612/28/2020

Vee from the SON board is the expert on everything. He made the decision to drop THE.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 1712/28/2020

It was the last soap to be telecast live. Except for holidays, the show was still being performed on the air until it moved from CBS to ABC and was thereafter taped a couple of weeks in advance.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 1812/28/2020

R13: If only there were clips. I've always heard it was a great storyline.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 1912/28/2020

The original Whitney family saga in 1970-71 was spellbinding. It introduced Senator Gordon Whitney and his wife Geraldine and two sons Colin and Keith.

Colin was the good seed, while Keith was the bad. However, you never knew exactly how bad he was. He went under the alias of Jonah Lockwood and was a serial killer. He long hair and a beard and bore striking resemblance to Charles Manson. He was scary! Only Geraldine knew that Keith was really Jonah and had killed these women and she tried to cover it up.

Adam Drake was investigating the murders unaware that it was connected to the Whitney family. Meanwhile Jonah Lockwood was engaged to Laurie Ann Karr, daughter of the show's hero Mike Karr.

Eventually Adam figured everything out, but not before Laurie Ann was almost killed.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 2012/28/2020

I should add that Edge of Night was #2 in the ratings in the 1970-71 season due to the Whitney family saga, behind As the World Turns. Edge had a 10.1 rating that season.

#3 was Guiding Light

#4 was a tie between Another World, Days of Our Lives and General Hospital

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 2112/28/2020

Shit up Serial Mental Case.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 2212/29/2020

The night the lights went out in Texas, also this week.

To Texas!

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 2312/29/2020

R12 I loved that theme song.

EON is the one soap I could see being rebooted with little or no change to structure, either as a daytime or nighttime property.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 2412/29/2020

The last episode was so creepy!

All of the dead villains resurrected on that Mad Hatter's Street or whatever...

BTW, I always loved the name "Draper."

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 2512/29/2020

I loved The Edge, but one of the things I found so funny was that after Maeve McGuire left the show they recast with an actress at least 20 years younger, and sort of rebooted the character. I thought that was an interesting choice.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 2612/29/2020

r26, It's known as de-SORASing when you cast a noticeably younger actor than the person they are replacing.

As r14 said, by the time they killed off Nicole, no one cared about the character anymore. Maeve McGuire was perfection in the role and the two subsequent, younger actresses didn't hold a candle to her, so the death wasn't a great loss for the show.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 2712/29/2020

A few characters have survived a very elastic aging process.

Tom Hughes, Ed and Rick Bauer and, perhaps most famously, Mike Horton.

Mike in particular was SORASed and then deSORASed.

But to have an actress 20 years younger replace someone without a long break in between? A recipe for disaster.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 2812/29/2020

God he was so good looking when he was younger.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 2912/29/2020

Wasn’t Cruthers only 44 when he died of the aids? He looked 64!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 3012/29/2020

Who can forget Dennis Parker aka Wade Nichols?

I can't decide if this is my favorite version of Like an Eagle....

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 3112/29/2020

Or this one.

Which is over the top but also kinda gets you in the feels if you watch/listen long enough!

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 3212/29/2020

The commercials are a hoot, and the final episode really is awesome.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 3312/29/2020

Veleka Gray had a HOT & HEAVY romance with Joel Crothers off-screen

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 3412/29/2020

They really paved the way by having a storyline on ISLAM

DECADES before people knew what the religion ISLAM was all about.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 3512/29/2020

R34 🤣 sure Jan.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 3612/29/2020

I love the original theme, "Warmly."

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 3712/29/2020

My favorite theme, with a bonus extra of Miss Geraldine giving bitches the EYE!

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 3812/29/2020

I watched this after school when in high school, but went to college fall of 1983 and never saw it again and only now know it died because I stopped watching apparently? Wasn’t the female chimpanzee from Planet of the Apes in this?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 3912/29/2020

R39 Chimpanzee?

You may be thinking of Ryan's Hope.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 4012/29/2020

Time for a reboot with Lori Loughlin and Marcia Cross.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 4112/29/2020

[quote]Wasn’t the female chimpanzee from Planet of the Apes in this?

R39 is correct, R40. Kim Hunter, who played Zira in "Planet of the Apes," played Nola Madison on "The Edge of Night" and was nominated for a daytime Emmy for the role. Kim Hunter is perhaps best remembered as Stella in the Broadway and movie versions of "A Streetcar Named Desire,"

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 4212/29/2020

R42 Thanks, the name Kim Stanley kept going through my mind, now that makes sense.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 4312/29/2020

The Nola Madison storyline was one of my favorites. She ended up killing Margo and everyone thought Draper did it, which lead to my next favorite storyline. Draper, is a train crash and loses his memory and meets Emily Michaels and the Molly Sherwood down on the farm. This is was the time period when Raven was still a fun scamp who was fucking Elliot Dorn. She was using her baby Jamie as leverage to get cash.

They cleaned up Raven and put her with Sky and those two kind of ate the show until Jody and Preacher ate the show even more and by then it was cancelled.

I think I read that ABC didn't really want to cancel the show.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 4412/29/2020

Lois Kibbee was such a dyke!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 4512/29/2020

anyway......

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 4612/29/2020

R37 That is pretty. Before my time, but I can practically picture getting home from school in the middle of winter in a Northeastern or perhaps Midwestern/Rust Belt city and it being dark already by 4:30 as this played.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 4712/29/2020

ABC was happy to continue airing Edge of Night. In many markets where it aired at 4 p.m., where ABC scheduled it, Edge got good ratings. In fact, it was the second highest rated show in NYC in the 4 p.m. time slot in 1984.

Problem was, many stations aired it in a different time slot, either the next morning or in the middle of the night. Because of that, ratings were low. And as the ratings sunk, more and more stations quit carrying it altogether.

Proctor and Gamble, which owned Edge, did not like the low ratings. Rather than learn to live with the low ratings as ABC had decided to do, P&G opted to cancel Edge.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 4812/29/2020

[quote]I watched this after school when in high school, but went to college fall of 1983 and never saw it again and only now know it died because I stopped watching apparently?

Yes, it's all your fault, r39. Thanks a lot!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 4912/29/2020

R29: On "Dark Shadows", he showed a fine set of cheekbones.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 5012/29/2020

Mark Arnold was hot.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 5112/29/2020

Mark Arnold looked like he'd have a hairy ass and hairy everything! Hot to death!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 5212/30/2020

Never forget.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 5312/30/2020

I remember this, it was on when I got home from school. My mom made fun of the characters’ names.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 5412/30/2020

[quote]Raven Alexander Jamison Swift Whitney Devereux Whitney

Raven, shouldn't that first "Whitney" really be "Brown"?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 5512/30/2020

Mark Arnold needed to manscape that unibrow.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 5612/30/2020

It is a shame the way they cleaned up Raven. Truly one of the most interesting characters on soaps. And the way Geraldine used to despise her was great. TV Executives should be burning in hell for wiping those tapes. I would love to see the original Whitney story.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 5712/30/2020

Joel Crothers & Veleka Gray at the height of their hot & heavy romance

Wonder if Veleka still has the engagement ring, or did she return it when they broke up after their long, steamy, torrid relationship

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 5812/30/2020

Veleka Gray gave interview as recently as last August 2020 where she talks about her TORRID affair with Joel Crothers

Joel and I started dating and our friendship began to develop into a romance. I left New York and went out to Los Angeles to work on The Young And the Restless and not long after, Joel came out to work on Santa Barbara. Our relationship got serious then until after we were engaged to be married. Then, he suddenly disappeared for a month and I couldn't find him and was finally told that he was in the hospital with lymphoma. It was a very heartbreaking and excruciatingly painful time because we had made plans to have a child and I knew then that it would never happen.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 5912/30/2020

[quote]It was a very heartbreaking and excruciatingly painful time because we had made plans to have a child and I knew then that it would never happen.

Veleka finally got a clue.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 6012/30/2020

Veleka is still playing the game.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 6112/30/2020

[quote] Veleka is still playing the game.

What game?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 6212/30/2020

Thirty-five years after Joel Crothers' death from AIDS, Veleka is still trying to convince fans that he was straight.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 6312/30/2020

What does the edge of night mean, anyway?

Is it a sad queen rubbing his dick in the evening until he almost cums but then easing back, over snd over again, so he may turn his back on the howling void that is his existence?

Or something else? I’m inclined to go with A).

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 6412/30/2020

[quote]What game?

The closet game.

Have you ever listened to an interview with Kaye Ballard? (Probably the gayest thing I've written all day). She plays it incredibly well, even when the majority of the people she's asked about are dead.

[quote]What does the edge of night mean, anyway?

The show was envisioned to be a daytime version of Perry Mason. So the title was probably a nod to the very film noir/darker elements of the show. It focused on murders and trials, the mob, and shady characters, more than romance. The show's leading female character got run over by a car early in the series.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 6512/30/2020

In addition to what R65 said, the title "The Edge of Night" also referred to the show's 4 p.m. time slot.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 6612/30/2020

Actors are trained well not to out fellow actors.

In her book, Kim Zimmer claimed that Chris Bernau (original Alan Spaulding on GL) died of a tropical disease. The man died of AIDS and she knew it, just like all the rest of the cast did.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 6712/30/2020

[quote] Actors are trained well not to out fellow actors.

True, but it was Veleka who brought up her torrid affair with Joel Crothers. The interviewer only asked

"Is this where you met your great friend, late Joel Crothers"

and it was Veleka who felt the need to blab about her romance with Crothers who even said

"I was so in love with Joel and I didn't know if I'd ever see him again"

you can read the entire Aug 2020 interview at link

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 6812/30/2020

Joel fucked Veleka like the pussy hound he was! Absolutely!!!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 6912/30/2020

Fuck you Serial Monticello who still wants ME! Asshole psycho. Fuck off!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 7012/30/2020

Bad video. Adequate audio. Superb acting.

Louise Shaffer as Serena/Josie.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 7112/30/2020

Oh please, Joel Crothers was not gay. He had great sexual chemistry with most of his female co-stars.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 7212/30/2020

The Edge of Night was a rarity in soap operas in that until it moved to ABC, it was the only one produced on the UES in Manhattan. (After 1963 all the New York based soaps came from the west side of Manhattan, except for Another World and Texas which were done in Brooklyn.) For the first four years it used the studios of what is now the local Fox TV station on East 67th Street and then moved to the former Monroe Theater on East 76th Street and First Avenue until 1975.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 7312/30/2020

The actress shown in the preview in R68 's post isn't Veleka Gray. It's Jeanne Cooper.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 7412/30/2020

I love the name Veleka. She did all the classic soaps and was even one of the Laura's on Splendored Thing.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 7512/30/2020

She had a boyish look to her on Love of Life. Was that Joel's type?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 7612/30/2020

[quote]R41 Time for a reboot with... Marcia Cross.

Liz Cornell, I believe she called herself?

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 7712/30/2020

Joel did generate chemistry with his leading ladies. Chris Bernau on the other hand... oy vey. Check him out on Dark Shadows. I was like gurllllll!!!!!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 7812/30/2020

Face it - Sparks flew on and off screen when Joel Crothers & Veleka Gray got together

Veleka herself confirms it

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 7912/30/2020

Chris Bernau poor thing tried his best, but the women they paired him with came off more like fag hags, such as Sofia Land on (Diane) on GL.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 8012/30/2020

That bit in Kim's book about Chris was very weird.

We really DO all know he died of AIDS. But for the purposes of a book, I assume Kim was told not to say that unless she had proof. It's something she could have been sued for (though by whom, I have no idea).

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 8112/30/2020

Joel was Gaye Gayerson.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 8212/30/2020

I remember an interview with Michelle Forbes, who said she thought he had Lyme disease.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 8312/30/2020

You can get your Veleka fix here.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 8412/30/2020

Veleka Gray must have had a penis.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 8512/30/2020

Veleka was all woman. Joel was all man. You do the math. They were obviously very much in love. Cancer's a bitch!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 8612/30/2020

*pffft*

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 8712/30/2020

[quote]Oh please, Joel Crothers was not gay. He had great sexual chemistry with most of his female co-stars.

Welcome to Data Lounge, Veleka!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 8812/30/2020

[quote] It's something she could have been sued for (though by whom, I have no idea).

Though Chris had no children, he still family who control the estate, The estate could easily sue

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 8912/30/2020

[quote] Chris had no children

If only he'd have been with a real dame like me, he might have!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 9012/30/2020

Joel and Jayne Bentzen were terrific together. The sexual chemistry was palpable. One could easily have thought they were husband and wife IRL like James Garner and Mariette Hartley.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 9112/30/2020

Joel ate Velekas’s pussy

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 9212/30/2020

I’m Serial Nutjob. Asshole. You love ME!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 9312/30/2020

Mandel Kramer was a hot daddy.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 9412/30/2020

On Dec. 1, 1975 when Edge moved from CBS to ABC, the soap's first broadcast on ABC was a 90 minute episode to introduce new viewers to the show and launch new storylines. Then ABC rebroadcast the episode that night at 11:30 p.m. That second airing got decent ratings.

There was talk about ABC rebroadcasting the day's episode in late night regularly, perhaps at 11:30 p.m. or 12 midnight. Unfortunately, the cast and the network never could agree on what kind of residuals they should receive for this second airing, so the late night airing never happened, save for that first ABC 90 minute episode.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 9512/30/2020

I loved Edge until it became the Sky and Raven show.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 9612/31/2020

I didn't see much of it but I did love the story with Denise Cavanaugh (DL fave Holland Taylor) plotting to kill herself and frame her husband (Joel Crothers) for it.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 9712/31/2020

Holland Taylor is a big lez and Joel was a homo. No chemistry there.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 9812/31/2020

What is he waiting to be picked up?

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 9912/31/2020

Was not Maurice Benard (aka Sonny Corinthos from General Hospital) also on this show at the same time as Lori Loughton?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 10012/31/2020

R100 No. He was briefly on AMC as Nico a few years before he became a permanent smear on GH

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 10112/31/2020

Was Mark Arnold of the homosex orientation? He made me feel all funny when I was a gayling but i didn't understand why.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 10212/31/2020

Still one of the handsomest men on soaps - and one of Anna Banana's first onscreen partners.

(Sadly also died as Joel and Chris Bernau did....)

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 10312/31/2020

so much paperwork to catch up on!

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[quote] Was Mark Arnold of the homosex orientation?

Apparently not. But, he definitely gave off the vibe over the airwaves.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 10512/31/2020

Oh god. Is that nut Tim here that always calls cunty Anna Stuart Anna Banana? He’s annoying.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 10612/31/2020

Anna Stuart said that Liz Hubbard built an entire soap career around the ability to read off the teleprompter.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 10712/31/2020

Winter Austin is my all-time favorite soap name.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 10812/31/2020

[quote] Anna Stuart said that Liz Hubbard built an entire soap career around the ability to read off the teleprompter.

LOL. I love it. Anna Stuart doesn't usually make bitchy remarks about the people she's worked with.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 10912/31/2020

[quote](Sadly also died as Joel and Chris Bernau did....)

Of a tropical disease?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 11012/31/2020

Calvin Stoner had the aids.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 11112/31/2020

Yes, R110. To paraphrase the old joke, it was very difficult for them to admit to their families that they were Haitian.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 11212/31/2020

The Edge of Night had the best character names. Henry Slesar knew how to name a character. I'm not sure which show has more gay behind the scenes Edge or Dark Shadows.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 11312/31/2020

[quote]I'm not sure which show has more gay behind the scenes Edge or Dark Shadows.

And Joel Crothers was in both.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 11412/31/2020

Hubbard must have been quite addicted to cue cards in the beginning.

Later at ATWT she ad libbed. She was more interested in getting the feel of a scene or the characters thoughts/actions right than a precise line. Cue cards/ad lib being sort of two sides of that same coin, as it were.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 11512/31/2020

I like Hubbard and there is no denying that she has talent, but what she was doing on ATWT was disrespectful. Tony Geary did that stuff to. It's hard for fellow actors to stay on track and not miss their cues if their scenes partners are changing words.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 11612/31/2020

[quote] Tony Geary did that stuff to

He did it....to whom?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 11712/31/2020

That should have been too not to

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 11812/31/2020

Veleka and Joel must of STEAMED up the sheets off-camera with their TORRID affair

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 11912/31/2020

[quote] must of STEAMED up the sheets

Must HAVE steamed up the sheets.

Do I have to buy an English textbook and a dictionary for EVERYONE on this thread this morning?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 12012/31/2020
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Hmm, I didn't remember that Rusty Shayne was also on Another World for a while.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 12212/31/2020

Joel Crothers was in the 1981-82 off-Broadway run of Torch Song Trilogy. In fact, he was the biggest name in the cast at that point. No one had ever heard of Harvey Fierstein, Matthew Broderick or Estelle Getty.

In fact, when it first opened off Broadway, the posters for the play had Joel's bigger than the rest since he was the only name they had.

Joel dropped out of the cast when it transferred to Broadway in June 1982.

Not sure why Joel; dropped out when it moved to Broadway, but it probably wouldn't look too good to middle American for the leading man of a daytime soap to be portraying a homosexual on Broadway. It was 1982 after all. Housewives need to believe the leading men they are lusting over are straight.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 12312/31/2020

Joel was such a pussyhound, as Veleka can attest!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 12412/31/2020

Joel really aged in the barely 10 years between Dark Shadows and Edge. He was so boyishly handsome on Shadows, but looked like a used up porn whore with that porn stache by the time he arrived at Edge. How did he age so much?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 12512/31/2020

Veleka sex life with Joel must have been smoking hot, with all the sparks between them.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 12612/31/2020

Not sure about sparks between Joel and Veleka, but there was no shortage of flames when Joel was in a room.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 12712/31/2020

Gunther was a wee part of my "awakening"

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 12812/31/2020

I had a crush on the actor who played Cliff Nelson. Very handsome guy.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 12912/31/2020

I’d guess that Joel ate out Veleka’s pussy at least 2 times a day. Maybe 3.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 13012/31/2020

The Joel-Veleka posts are played out. Find a new topic, hon.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 13112/31/2020

I thought so, too, R129. Very cute guy next door. Interestingly, both Ernest Townsend/Pysher (who played Cliff) and Sandy Faison (who played Beth Corell) ended up as high school teachers and assistant principals.

Blooper reel at link, for those who might be interested.

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 13212/31/2020

[quote]Ernest Townsend/Pysher

Why did he change his name from Townsend to Physher?

Anyway, here's a tribute he wrote about co-star Dennis Parker (Chief Derek Mallory) . . .

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 13301/01/2021

"Dennis never apologized for his private or professional life."

A very bold way at the time to acknwoledge that he was gay, and had done porn.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 13401/01/2021

I want videos of Joel eating out Veleka! Joel was such a pussy hound!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 13501/01/2021

anyway

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 13601/01/2021

Was our dear Lois Kibbee a lesbian? She never married.........hmmmmmm

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 13701/01/2021

anyway

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 13801/01/2021

When Ashley is carried through the doorway.....and reaches out for her son

MARY!

MARY!

MARY!

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 13901/01/2021

There MUST be videos out there of Holland and Lois chowing down on each others snatch.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 14001/01/2021

You can have them, R140.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 14101/01/2021

Ignore the demented bodily function troll.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 14201/01/2021

Dude, give it a rest. This is the same person who has some beef with Chandler Massey and people over at some Soap Opera Message Board, and now he's on this thread. I love how those people come over here so they can be anonymous and crazy, but toe the line over on those soap boards for fear of being banned.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 14301/01/2021

Vee is in the biz , you know.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 14401/01/2021

Serial nutcase Monticello tweeted that Lois Kibbee loved seeing the young perky titties when filming the Caddyshack pool scenes. Lois got all wet - down there - seeing all those titties.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 14501/01/2021

Solita Carrera on the rope bridge.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 14601/01/2021

Vee lets psycho pervert chaturbate amc2008 stay at SON. Why?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 14701/02/2021

Who’s more of a perv? Soapsuds or amc2008?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 14801/02/2021

Who is dumber? Dylan or amc2008

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 14901/02/2021

I remember seeing the credits for this and being scared of them as a little kid. I thought the show had to be some sort of otherworldly nightmare scenario.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 15001/02/2021

r122

he was so hot... who did he play on AW?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 15101/02/2021

R151, he played Joe, Kathleen's witness protection security guy/occasional side piece when she "came back from the dead". Carl arranged to have him killed as a warning to Kathleen...and possibly also to Grant (who was secretly Kathleen's story source "Signet").

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 15201/02/2021

Terrell Anthony was hot - but he was always so dull as dishwater in a scene. And sadly he's a big ole fundie.

But he certainly looked the part of what Rusty SHOULD have been - a big stud with a wicked grin and a sparkle in his eye.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 15301/02/2021

Terrell is not supportive of the gays. Big religious nut.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 15401/02/2021

I always forget that Sharon Gabet went to AW after EON, as well.

Of course Larkin went directly to GL and directly to AMC from GL, so he stayed busy.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 15501/02/2021

Sharon was wasted on AW.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 15601/02/2021

Yeah, they didn't at all seem to know what to do with her. Was it that a new writer came in and tried to totally reconceive the character?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 15701/02/2021

P&G likely just instructed AW to add Sharon Gabet to the cast as quickly as possible. Writers, who weren't the strongest in the world, didn't have time to really think out how to best place Gabet in the cast and best utilize her.

Sally and Catlin were the show's supercouple at that point, so they decided to put her in as a foil to their romance. Great idea. Lots of potential there. But then they made her a deaf mute for a while?!?!? She also didn't have any chemistry with Catlin or especially pose a threat to Sally.

After that didn't work, they put her in the orbit of Peter Love and the Love family, but made Brittany the victim rather than the vixen. Victim is not where Sharon Gabet's strongest talents lie; vixen is.

Poor planning and poor execution all the way round.

She wisely chose to leave the show the moment her contract was up.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 15801/02/2021

All great points, Liz.

Based on her portrayal of Raven, she needed a subtle introduction, a bit of mystery - she should have been brought on as someone who seemed normal on the surface, but someone in Bay City - Rachel, maybe? - would have had her number.

Instead, she was...deaf mute cowgirl? If I'm remembering correctly.....

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 15901/02/2021

[quote] The Joel-Veleka posts are played out. Find a new topic, hon.

This is a DISCUSSION board - unless you are some homeroom monitor, we can talk about the Joel-Veleka and their TORRID affair for as long as we like.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 16001/02/2021

[quote] Terrell Anthony was hot

He is also a fundie Christian - and unapologetic about his Christianity

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 16101/02/2021

Still waiting for the Veleka/Joel sex tapes. You know they are smoking HOT!!!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 16201/02/2021

Vee will be away this week helping to count the electoral college votes. He is an expert in politics and he is in the biz, you know.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 16301/02/2021

There is nothing that Vee is not an expert in. Cleaning toilets at ABC has taught him so much.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 16401/02/2021

Brandy, she's a fine girl....

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 16501/03/2021

Who’s eating out Ann Flood’s snatch these days now that her Herb died? Or is that part of her life over?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 16601/03/2021

Vee is going to over turn the election. He has THAT much power! He’s in the biz, you know.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 16701/03/2021

Could someone here please post the link to the latest WHET P&G thread? I can’t seem to find it using the Search function. Thanks.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 16801/03/2021

This is it, R168.

We were trying to be a wee bit more subtle in title.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 16901/03/2021

R168 How dumb are you? You’re in the thread. Jesus.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 17001/03/2021

Hah, OK, thanks, OP.

I had a Locher’s Room marathon over the weekend and had two takeaways-James Wlcek is fucking awesome and Rick Hearst is insanely hot, way hotter now than when he was on GL. And Susan Pratt’s anger at GL breaking up Claire and Fletcher was palpable.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 17101/03/2021

And completely justifiable.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 17201/03/2021

I really need to watch the Susie P/Jay Hammer one more closely. I skimmed it at the time.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 17301/03/2021

You should, R173. Pratt was PISSED. I think it was generally acknowledged that it was McTavish who did the deed and Pratt hissed “She HATES women.” Great stuff.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 17401/03/2021

Pratt was way too bitter and cunty. It’s not like Pratt is some great actress. Get over it Susie. You definitely ain’t all that.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 17501/03/2021

The real story is that Susan Pratt had a feud with Vee, who made her miserable and swore her to silence. He’s in the biz, you know.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 17601/03/2021

Susan Pratt was referring to Vee when she said that she hates women.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 17701/03/2021

Wednesday marks the 45th anniversary of Another World expanding to an hour. Happened on Jan. 6, 1975

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 17801/04/2021

Vicky W sure was homely!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 17901/04/2021

R174 McTavish did what deed? It was Pam Long writing for GL at the point Fletcher and Claire broke up. McTavish was still an actress in the 80s, unless I am missing something?

Oddly, though I was never a huge fan of either character or actor (I liked them well enough), I remember their breakup scene! Because they had "Neither One of Us" by Gladys Knight playing over a montage of them looking sad.

Pratt has every right to be mad at what happened to Claire, though. She was a well rounded character who was changed after breaking up w/Fletch and fucking Ed Bauer in Beirut to a shallow shrew and the kind of woman who would abandon her baby. She definitely suffered from that mess of writer changes at GL between 1985-1987. Claire was destroyed in the process.

It would have been something if GL had her come back in the 90s and explain that she was, like, undiagnosed bipolar or something. Anything to give her behavior an explanation. Instead, when they brought her back they just kept the villainness thing going.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 18001/04/2021

Writers tend to do dramatic character shifts when they 1)hate the character and want them gone, 2)the character is too convoluted and can't be fixed without major time and effort and the biggest reason 3) the actor has done something to piss off the writer.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 18101/04/2021

I think with Claire they needed a villainness in the Ed story and Claire was it. They also threw Charlotte the murderer at him. None of it made us like nu nu Ed any more and eventually they brought Peter Simon back.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 18201/04/2021

Met Susan Pratt a couple times. A total bitch each time. She thought her shit didn’t stink but it probably did. Fuck her. Remind us again how many Emmys she was nominated for? Oh that’s right - NONE! Fucking cunt. That bitch should shut the fuck up.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 18301/04/2021

At least Susie got to have a more well rounded experience as Barbara Montgomery - although in the end she was washed away to the land where all of Erica Kane's nemeses go.....

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 18401/04/2021

R180, I think the Claire/Fletcher breakup happened in between Long stints. Pratt fairly demanded to know who was responsible for ditching Claire/Fletcher and J doubt she would have if Long was a possibility with her Long’s ex bf right there.

I remember Claire walked with a slight limp when she first appeared, presumably acquired via a childhood disease. Did they just drop that after a while?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 18501/04/2021

McTavish was only a dialogue writer when Claire/Fletch broke up. Pratt is koo koo and inaccurate.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 18601/04/2021

There's an interview with Josie number...2? Amy Carlson, in this week's Digest.

She says she still has lunch with the Annas (Holbrook and Stuart), Linda Dano, and whoever else is around when she's in NY a few times a year.

She also talked about Josie being stalked by Blair? Not remembering this character.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 18701/04/2021

I really hope Anna follows through with her claim on The Doctors reunion that she’s working on a memoir. I bet it would be great. She’s sharp as a tack on details on her soap career. There’s also the compelling narrative of her being mentally/emotionally abused by her then bf Jesse Doran (he was known as Bob) and finding love with James Cromwell later in life.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 18801/04/2021

Joel and Veleka were so hot together - they burned up the screen

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 18901/04/2021

Did our beloved Geri Court ever feel up Anna Banana’s boobies?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 19001/04/2021

Hello my loves! Welcome to 2021! What a grand year it will be. SOAP OPERA DIGEST just told me that I, Scoche Marin, have been selected as one of 2021’s Most Beautiful Women in Soaps! I so love playing Katherine Chancellor on THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS, television’s number one daytime drama. Genoa City is so much more glamorous than Monticello!

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 19101/04/2021

R188 Me too.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 19201/04/2021

Mary McKinnon is back, bitches!

Will she have her Stevie Nicks getup on this time?

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 19301/05/2021

The last time that Denise was on GH, she could barely walk or talk. Seemed to have trouble delivering lines. We’ll see how this goes. Desperate for work?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 19401/06/2021

MARY!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 19501/06/2021

Mary was such a boring, archaic, wishy-washy name for a main character on a soap.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 19601/07/2021

Can someone help Vee from SON get his stimulus check? His bank isn’t helping him. Do they not know that he’s in the biz????

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 19701/07/2021

Marissa!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 19801/07/2021

Mary was the perfect name for a Catholic matriarch.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 19901/07/2021

Multiple Emmy & Tony winner Bebe Neuwirth made her TV acting debut on Edge of Night in 1981

Watch below at how this appearance jump-started her career

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 20001/07/2021

IS THIS ANOTHER STUPID FUCKING SOAP THREAD INHE MIDDLE OF A COUP.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 20101/07/2021

Mind your own business, R201. Nobody rang for your ass.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 20201/07/2021
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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 20301/07/2021

What a murderer's row of actors in this crawl from 1966!

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by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 20401/07/2021

Were the four musketeers on The Locher Room mentioned in the previous thread. It was so great to finally see them all together. I got the feeling that Judi’s main problem was with GA, though, not MOL.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 20501/09/2021

I went down a The Edge of Night rabbit hole this morning... What did you TEON watchers think of that whole Robbie Hamlin, mind control storyline?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 20601/09/2021

I went down a The Edge of Night rabbit hole this morning... What did you TEON watchers think of that whole Robbie Hamlin, mind control storyline?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 20701/09/2021

All the Edge storylines in the final 18 months were subpar in my opinion. Once they fired HW Henry Slesar and replaced him with Lee Sheldon, the quality went down.

Sheldon may have been a good storyteller, but his storylines weren't terribly good for a soap. They weren't awful, but they weren't anything especially noteworthy either. The ISIS building storyline especially didn't fit with Edge.

Similarly, as with any HW who comes to the soap genre without any previous experience, Sheldon didn't have the rhythms of doing a soap down, nor understand the plotting necessary, how to build characters, how to make the audience care about a character, etc.

Because of all of Sheldon's shortcomings, Edge suffered in the ratings which helped lead to more stations refusing to carry it and ultimately its cancellation.

P&G should have stuck with Henry Slesar who knew the genre. We might have gotten another year or two out of the show.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 20801/09/2021

Thanks for that info, Liz. I watched EON in its last several years, but didn't know if the changes were just one of those "let's try to be more like Luke and Laura" things that everyone was doing. Like making poor Travis on SFT get a perm.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 20901/11/2021

Donna dear at r209

No doubt Luke and Laura pushed all shows in the early 1980s to have more youth storylines and more adventure storylines. Older, more established soap HWs were reluctant to follow this trend.

Harding Lemay talks in his book about his reluctance to write for younger characters, saying he didn't find them as interesting as the older characters. Said Ray Liotta's Joey Perrini was one of the few younger actors he enjoyed writing for mainly because Ray was such a strong actor.

As far as Edge goes, I think P&G just wanted to try someone new when they hired Lee Sheldon to replace Henry Slesar. And they also instructed him to have a faster pace, something that didn't work so well for Edge because the show needed to build up the suspense in the storylines, something that slower pacing allowed better for. Similarly, slower pacing allowed time for the audience to get to know new characters and care about what happened to them.

That said, Henry Slesar was a master of pacing, knowing exactly how to build the needed suspense of a mystery storyline. One of the things that I disliked about Sheldon's stories in the past 18 months of Edge was the fast pace just didn't give me time to get invested in the characters or the storylines.

Frankly, in the final 18 months of Edge, the thing that kept me coming back was the characters I adored -- Sky and Raven, Geraldine, Miles, Mike and Nancy. I cared about them and the characters in their orbit. The other parts of Edge were not compelling to me in that final 18 months.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 21001/11/2021

Oh, my.

Alan Locher has invited none other than Stephanie Sloane to join him for an upcoming session

AND

He's also inviting VIEWERS to Zoom in as well.

This will end in tears......

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 21101/12/2021

Maybe he can get Nelson Branco to do an episode too!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 21201/13/2021

Or The Devil Wears Lane Bryant herself.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 21301/13/2021

Alan would pitch that she-devil such soft ball questions, it would be like a game of whiffle ball.

But it could be exciting if he asked the right questions:

1. Do you remember the first soap star dick you sucked?

2. Do you remember the first soap star you blackmailed into fucking you?

3. How much money do you estimate Blondie's made off soap events?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 21401/13/2021

R214 LOL

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 21501/13/2021

Alan’s latest reunion of The Doctors should be fun.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 21601/15/2021

Zimmer has a LOT of free time

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 21701/15/2021

I bet Jada Rowland smokes a lot of weed.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 21801/16/2021

Did Jada's husband wave hi?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 21901/16/2021

They should get Jada and Marla Adams together for a Secret Storm reunion. I would totally watch that. Maybe they could even get Donna Mills.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 22001/16/2021

Vee knows Jada and Marla and made them both stars. He’s in the biz, you know.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 22101/20/2021

So is this thread dead?

Are we still posting here and have we moved to another thread?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 222Last Sunday at 1:08 PM

There was a flurry of posting on the WHET to Gary Sinclair? thread this week but it’s now been found by the soap scat troll.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 223Last Sunday at 1:13 PM

We meed Geraldine Saxon to save this thread! Wherefore art though Geraldine Saxon and Geraldine Court, both pussy eaters?

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 224Last Sunday at 3:10 PM

I was the most beautiful woman in soaps because I rubbed piss all over my face.

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 225Last Sunday at 4:25 PM

Add Geraldine Saxon’s piss and I’m all in!

by Marvelous, yet midwestern reply 226Last Sunday at 4:57 PM
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