What Oscar loss did you find the most upsetting?

Where do I start?

Lately I’ve been been getting really angry over Allison Janney’s win. I just don’t understand what the academy saw in that bad SNL sketch performance. Laurie Metcalf gave a heartbreaking and multi dimensional performance and deserved this.

Um, Brokeback Mountain to Crash maybe?

This year’s winners Brad Pitt and Laura Dern. Pitt is a shit actor and product of the casting couch and basically was rewarded for his many years as a celebrity!?

Dern’s win just confirmed to me that her success has been due to nepotism. Why she sweep for that nothing performance?

Judy Garland in "A Star is Born" losing to Grace Kelly!

Period.

JLaw winning for being an amazing little whore.

Janet Suzman’s (Nicholas and Alexandra) to Jane Fonda for Klute. N & A is interminable and heavy going, but Dame Janet’s performance saved it. Oscars should go to great acting that salvages subpar movies. The costumes and art direction deservedly won Oscars.

Margot Robbie for best actress in I Tonya. She had everything going for her: young ingenue that often wins in this category, transformative performance, etc. She lost to Frances McDormand’s disgusting performance in a mediocre film.

Every song that lost to one of Randy Newman's.

Ginger Rogers winning against four much more deserving nominees. Real winner Rosalind Russell wasn't even nominated.

Fernarda Montegro (Central Station) losing to Goop, Brokeback M. to Crash and than that fucking annoying Roberto Benigni, I just hate him!

Mary Tyler Moore in Ordinary People losing to Sissy Spacek for Coal Miner's Daughter.

Saoirse Ronan and Charlotte Rampling losing to Brie Larson. She hasn’t been nominated since then. That says it all.

Jennifer Lawrence winning over Emmanuelle Riva.

R14: More like her winning over Emmanuelle and everybody else in the category.

La Huppert losing to Emma Stone.

Julia Roberts so what performance in Erin Brokovich over Ellen Burstyn's truly heartbreaking turn in "Requiem for a Dream".

Queen Cate (Elisabeth) losing to Goop (Shakespeare in Love).

COME ON!!

I think you can go through every acting category in the last 40 years and pick out at least one winner that was not worthy, and make the argument that they only won cause they "were due".

Brad Pitt is a great example... was his performance in OUATIH good? Yes. Was it Oscar worthy? No.

Jennifer Lawrence winning? WHA?????

Gwyneth Paltrow and Renee Zellwegger (first win) were all Weinstein-manipulated.

I can go on and on...

Does anyone win for "Best" anymore?

Yeah the Riva and Rampling losses were tough. Any veteran actress up against the hot new thing nowadays doesn’t stand a chance. Off the top of my head I’d say Dustin losing to John Wayne, and Brad Dourif and Chris Sarandon losing to George Burns. Wayne and Burns wins were clearly sentimental. In fact, Wayne said it was the easiest role of his career. He tried to give it to Richard Burton (another nominee] that year, maybe in a half joking way. But he knew he didn’t deserve it.

R2 The only reason Janney won that year was cause she campaigned for it. She went to every awards show, every luncheon, every meet & greet with Academy members. She worked her ass off so she could win. And it paid off for her. Was her performance Oscar worthy enough to win? I don't think so, and also agree Laurie Metcalf should have won for Lady Bird.

Sally Kirkland tried the same thing back in '87, campaigning like crazy, but ended up losing to Cher for Moonstruck. When Paul Newman announces Cher's name, you can tell exactly what Kirkland is thinking (it's on YouTube). Check it out... her true feelings came up for a second or two before she performed her being nice and happy for Cher.

Amazing what that little golden statue will make people do.

Helen Lawson for The Loneliest Starfruit.

Sandra Bullock winning, which resulted in Streep losing and then later Viola Davis losing (so Meryl could win).

I also found the wins of Lawrence, Malek, Dern and Pitt a sign that the Oscars don’t mean much anymore.

Jill Clayburgh in An Unmarried Woman losing to Jane Fonda in Coming Home.

Rami Malek’s win was pretty awful. Not to mention his desperate attempts to appear straight to the world on that Oscar stage.

Poor Jill. She was nominated in 1979 for An Unmarried Woman and lost. So they nominated Jill in 1980 for Starting Over as a consolation prize and she lost again.

R26, boo fucking hoo.

Gena Rowlands never winning.

Bette Davis' Baby Jane losing to Anne Bancroft's Helen Keller.

BWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

John Savage not even being nominated for The Onion Field, Inside Moves and most especially The Deer Hunter.

I was genuinely sad for Glenn. Olivia Colman is wonderful, both as an actress and seemingly as a person, but she didn’t really have that much to do in The Favourite. Indeed, although Queen Anne is at the heart of the story, I’m not even sure that she is the main character.

Glenn Close gave a performance which was much better than the slight source material deserved, and it was painful to see her be overlooked. She should have won for Dangerous Liaisons decades ago, and has given a few Oscarworthy performances since then. It’s sad to think that her chances to win may be disappearing.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Roberts winning over Burstyn was a travesty. Roberts was fine in that movie, but Burstyn was at career best level and hers is one of those rare performances I still think about decades after seeing the film it came from. She created someone so real that you stop and think about what might have happened to her after the film was over. It's one of the greatest performances I've ever seen in my entire life.

I believe Laura Dern is an Oscar worthy actress. Just watch Enlightened and you'll see a performance miles better than most performances that have won in the past 30 years, but she didn't deserve an Oscar for that role she played. She was great as always, but it's not a role that screams "this'll win you an Oscar."

Diane Ross' Billie Holliday losing to Liza Minnelli's Sally Bowles

BWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH - AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

R33: Julia won because she was the biggest movie star at the time. After headlining multiple successful projects, she was considered “due” for an Oscar. It also didn’t help that Burstyn already had an Oscar.

Rachel Weisz was the best part of The Favourite and Colman wasn’t the lead; Emma Stone was.

Rex Harrison's oscar for My Fair Lady belonged to Peter O'Toole in Becket.

Totally agree about Ellen Burstyn's performance in "Requiem For A Dream". One of the best ever. The whole film was incredible.

Emma Stone winning the Oscar will always make me want to punch someone.

This thread belongs to Juanita Moore for 1959's Imitation of Life.

Burstyn was awful and hammy as fuck in Requiem, which is one of the most overrated pieces of shit of the 21st century.

But I would have to say the fact that Jennifer Hudson won an Oscar in a seriously weak year for Supporting actresses, yet neither Diane Lane for Hollywoodland nor Phyllis Somerville for Little Children were even nominated is a huge travesty.

They need to re-do the 2008 Oscars, so Elliott Page can be nominated in the correct category, as Best Actor for "Juno".

For him to be continually listed as a Best Actress nominee is triggering, transphobic, and will lead to countless murders of trans youth in the future.

And he will beat Daniel Day-Lewis, because he is a man doing an extremely convincing job of playing a woman, which is a huge testament to his acting ability.

The first Oscars I ever followed was the 1987 Oscars, and I loved Albert Brooks in Broadcast News so much (still do), and really wanted him to win. I knew Sean Connery had it in the bag (when I saw The Untouchables with my family that May, we all called it in fact) - but I was still kind of crushed; especially since the movie was nominated for 10 awards and won 0.

I must admit that I still need to see "Central Station", R11. But I LOVE Fernanda Montenegro (and her daughter Fernanda Torres) in "The House of Sand". I randomly found that DVD in a discount bin, and I'm so glad I did. It's a wonderful film, and absolutely gorgeous, as well. I need to see more Waddington's films.

"Little Children" is one of my favorite films R24 (and it's also my favorite score by Thomas Newman). Somerville ABSOLUTELY should've been nominated, and could've/should've won. Hudson was awarded for singing well, but the acting wasn't anywhere near the caliber I feel is required to even be considered for nomination.

[quote] Pitt is a shit actor and product of the casting couch

With whom did Brad sleep, R4?

Viola loosing to ham M.

Homolka for "I Remember Mama".

Shut up, R60. All your taste is in your bung.

Sir Rex earned his Oscar.

Julie Andrews winning for anything, especially for some second-rate [italic]Song of the South[/italic] wannabe, was a mistake for which movie musicals are still paying to this day.

BlackKlansman losing to The Green Book.

The Green Book would have been staid for the sixties. BlackKlansman nailed it which was only borne out by the killing of George Floyd and the covid era protests.

That racist bitch Vanessa Redgrave’s Oscar needs to be confiscated and given to Helen Reddy for [italic]Pete’s Dragon.[/italic]

And that goes double for Jane Fonda in 1971. Her Oscar that year should’ve gone to Angela Lansbury for [italic]Bedknobs and Broomsticks[/italic]. You might as well take away her 1978 Oscar and give it to Olivia Newton-John for [italic]Grease[/italic].

Then you can take both of M’s Oscars away. Give the 1979 one to Jessica Lange for [italic]All that Jazz[/italic], then give the 1982 one to Carol Burnett for [italic]Annie.[/italic]

Oh, and you can take Cher’s Oscar away and give it to Glenn Close since she actually earned it for [italic]Fatal Attraction[/italic], no matter what the ending was.

And you better fucking take every single Oscar and nomination away from that shitty fascist pedo movie and give it to an actual gay movie: [italic]God’s Own Country[/italic].

And don’t get me started on the best original song category. Just don’t. 1964 and 1977 were two of the biggest travesties in history, eclipsed only by 1997 and 2003.

[italic]The Green Book[/italic] looks like a bastard love child of Stanley Kramer and Norman Lear. It should’ve been a TV movie. So should [italic]Selma[/italic], for that matter. Both of them will look as dated in 20 years as most post-1970s Oscar Bait looks now.

TV did a better job telling Martin Luther King‘s life story all the way back in the 70s when they cast Paul Winfield as him in a miniseries.

Helen Cunt was undeserving of her Oscar win. I can’t remember who was nominated with. Any of them would have been better. Even Pia Zadora is a better actress than Helen.

Gwyneth Paltrow is another. She slept with Harvey for hers.

Jessica wasn’t nominated for All That Jazz, nor should she have been. Some of these comments are bizarre.

I'm very excited to see R60's taste when he finally posts.

When John Corigliano won for "The Red Violin", over Thomas Newman for "American Beauty".

Gloria Swanson for "Sunset Boulevard." In retrospect. I wasn't there to feel the first heartbreak.

Cate Blanchet in Notes on a Scandal losing to the over-hyped Jennifer Hudson.

Judi Dench in Philomena losing to Cate Blanchet in Blue Jasmine

Lee Marvin winning for Cat Ballou over Rod Steiger in The Pawnbroker

Marlon Brando in Streetcar losing to Bogart in The African Queen

Citizen Kane losing to How Green Was My Valley

Rocky winning over All the Presidents Men

Goodfella losing to Dances with Wolves

Lorraine Bracco (Goodfellas) losing to Whoopi Goldberg (Ghost)

R60 nailed it. Dances With Wolves beating GoodFellas was a travesty.

Sharon Stone in Casino losing to Susan Sarandon for Dead Man Walking. Sharon’s performance will be remembered and talked about 50 years from now. Probably the best female role of the 90s. She really stepped up and became the character. No one even mentions DMW anymore, much less Sarandon’s performance. The vote for Sharon was split with the other blonde hooker performance of Elisabeth Shue in Leaving Las Vegas, which wasn’t even in the same league.

The other nominees were: Meryl Streep – The Bridges of Madison County and Emma Thompson – Sense and Sensibility, both forgettable.

John Garfield losing to Walter Brennan. Damn, damn, damn!

Sharon barely got by in Casino. It was a good year though for actresses.

Well my elder gay children, this still hurts ....

Mine.

[quote]. Sharon’s performance will be remembered and talked about 50 years from now.

50 years from now? It is almost forgotten now as is Stone herself in general.

Glenn Close. I mean geez Emma Stone has an Oscar and Glenn doesn’t? Plus I thought she earned it for The Wife. It wouldn’t have been a token win. Olivia was supporting....not leading.

This is got to be one of the most classic DL posts I have ever seen!

Glenn's loss for The Wife just seemed so mean. She swept thru most of the precursor awards. Lately when people do that they get the Oscar too.

And yes Colman was supporting (and if she hadn't won then she probably would have won this year for The Father.)

[quote]This is got to be one of the most classic DL posts I have ever seen!

Sweetie, you gotta get out more.

Bette loosing to Anne was one of happiest moments of my life.

The one La La Land didn’t get.

It is Miss Dunaway r73 not Ms.

Remember that or else salad boy.

Sharon screeches and gets smacked around a lot. I would hope that is not the best Marty can do for women (although it’s been a common trope for women in his work).

Dame Judi Dench (Mrs. Brown), Julie Christie (Afterglow), Helena Bonham Carter (The Wings of the Dove), and even Kate Winslet (Titanic) LOSING to Helen Hunt.

I don't think Cate wanted the Oscar that year r60.

She has said a lot of her best work got cut out of that film. She's ok with the final film but it wasn't what she signed up for. (more exposition about her and the kid got cut supposedly.)

[quote] Helen Cunt was undeserving of her Oscar win.

😂🤣😂

R77 Whether she wanted it or not she gave a powerful performance Oscar worthy performance as did Judi Dench and in truth they were both lead performances. Jennifer Hudson's win was a fluke and of course she hasn't had a significant film role since.

Probably when he lost the lid to the trash can and it rained really hard that night.

Hudson sang the big song ok but otherwise was bland. She was supposed to be an Oscar contender (if you believe hype) for a biopic of Aretha Franklin but covid delayed it until next year.

good point r80. I agree (wtf?)

"Most upsetting?" No but undeserving was Mahershala Ali for Green Book. I thought he was very good but not better than Sam Elliott for A star is born or Sam Rockwell in Vice.

Cabaret won 8 of its 10 oscars, so legacy or not Minnelli was going to win based on the AMPAS love for it. Cicely Tyson in Sounder was wonderful, berry gordy killed Diana’s chances by trying to buy her the award.

[Quote] Glenn's loss for The Wife just seemed so mean.

Cruel actually.

Diana Ross didn't even try to imitate Billie Holliday. That would never even got nominated today.

agreed r86. It put Colman in an awkward spot too. She handled it very well but she did feel compelled to say this wasn't how she wanted things to turn out.

It would have been perfect if Close won lead and Colman supporting (put Emma Stone in lead where she should be.) Regina King did nothing special to merit an Oscar that year.

Mizz Lange should’ve been nominated and won for iconic performance in [italic]Titus[/italic].

The ones that heard and which I was alive to see real-time:

Susan Sarandon (liked her quite a bit but I was so rooting for Streep for my favorite performance of hers)

Helen Cunt (though I do like her performance)

Frances McDormand (LOVE Frannie McD but I was rooting for Watson)

Goop (UGH! ‘Nuff said. Oh, and I was rooting for Streep again)

Julia Roberts (loved her in the film but I wanted Ellen Burstyn to win)

Hillary Swank [2nd Oscar] (I wanted Nettie B. to win for Being Julia!)

Sandra Bullock (I wanted Gabby to win)

Meryl Streep [3rd Oscar] (She would’ve had a third for Bridges and Glenn should’ve won for, but my pick was Tilda for Kevin anyway)

Jennifer Lawrence (uh, no. Jessica Chastain)

La La Land (I like her but no. Natalie for Jackie)

Olivia (LOVE her but I was so rooting for Glenn)

Renée Z (after Judy Davis’ incomparable work? No. Cynthia Erivo was perfect)

Peter O'Toole for the The Stunt Man OWNS THIS THREAD.

NO ONE ELSE COMPARES.

I got to excited.

[quote] Mizz Lange should’ve been nominated and won for iconic performance in Titus.

[quote]The ones that heard and which I was alive to see real-time

Like, wha? Should be:

[quote] Mizz Lange should’ve been nominated and won for her iconic performance in Titus.

[quote]The ones that hurt and which I was alive to see real-time.

[quote] I got to excited.

Oh, dear. I need to quit.

Teri Garr for Tootsie was robbed.

Jennifer Lawrence deserved the Oscar for SLP.

R90 What about O'Toole in Lawrence of Arabia losing to Gregory Peck for To Kill a Mockingbird or O'Toole in Becket losing to Rex Harrison in My Fair Lady?

Saoirse Ronan grosses me out why was she considered the real starlet that should have won over Bree? That Brooklyn shit looks like a hallmark movie and I’ve never seen it. It’s not like she gave some electrically alive performance for a young girl like Emily Lloyd did once or Jennifer in yes, SLP!!! and Bree was deeply, deeply sympathetic you feel like you know her. And with that steely yet broken thing. Ronan sucked in lady Bird too and is pretty ugly.

or worst of all O'Toole in The Lion in Winter losing to Cliff Robertson in Charley!

[quote] Jennifer Lawrence deserved the Oscar for SLP.

No, dear, no one believes that.

Anne Baxter loses to Ingrid Bergman. Holy Moses!

I feel like Sarandon did very well in Dead Man Walking and she was considered overdue (though a couple of her nominations prior to DMN were pure filler in weak years). I have not watched the film in many years and I fear I would not feel the same about it now.

I would have cut Shue and Thompson from the list of five and subbed in Kathy Bates for Dolores Claiborne and Toni Collette for Muriel's Wedding. Streep and Stone were amazing and if I were choosing again, I might go with one of them over Sarandon.

[quote] Saoirse Ronan grosses me out why was she considered the real starlet that should have won over Bree? That Brooklyn shit looks like a hallmark movie and I’ve never seen it. It’s not like she gave some electrically alive performance for a young girl like Emily Lloyd did once or Jennifer in yes, SLP!!

You haven't even seen it, and yet you're trashing her performance?

You're beyond pathetic.

Emily Watson in Breaking the Waves was far superior than Frances in Frago. I know funny, quirky and weird. Haha!

Emily was fucking ROBBED!

I think the snub of Lolita in many categories was really surprising. I wasn't alive back then so I don't know what the feeling was about it from the general public, but it should have been nominated for Picture, Director, Actor, Supporting Actor and Supporting Actress. I would have given them all to Lolita, but I think at least Sellers and Winters should have won the supporting awards. I love Patty Duke but she wasn't all that great in The Miracle Worker (and neither was Bancroft), and who the fuck even remembers Ed Begley in Sweet Bird of Youth?

And I think Bette Davis should have gotten her third Oscar for Baby Jane. That was an upsetting loss.

They're just industry awards. They don't mean very much.

I think I was about thirteen when I figured that out; but with some of you, it's like they're still life and death--like they're still some kind of ultimate imprimatur of your taste.

Candace Bergen losing supporting for Starting Over

Debra Winger losing for Officer/Gentleman

Viola Davis losing for The Help

Shelley Winters insisted on being campaigned in lead for Lolita because she already had a supporting. She says in her book she was then shocked that she wasn't even nominated. From then on she stayed in the supporting category (and won again.) Her theory was people forget which category you won for they just remember you winning and being up onstage. She regretted her stance on Lolita a lot.

Viola regrets making The Help so save your tears.

Is that actually true about Winters or is that one of her "selective memories?"

I wish Elizabeth Shue or Sharon Stone would've won instead of Sarandon

Hate Dead Man Walking (mostly her)

I still can't believe Swank has two. There had to be a glitch in the reality matrix.

It didn't use to bother me that Hepburn had four growing up cuz she was such a famous name, but now it bugs me - especially the two in a row. Shoulda been Bonnie Faye in '67.

It is odd that they gave Hepburn two in a row and yet she shunned them and didn't show up for any of her nominations. The Academy seemed to like that. Like she's too cool for school we should vote for her. Did Glenda Jackson ever show up for any of her nominations? I don't think so.

[quote] but with some of you, it's like they're still life and death--

They are life and death.

I don't know r108. She told the story a lot. She did exaggerate a lot.

I can remember her discussing it somewhere when Michael Caine said he didn't really want his Hannah and Her Sisters Oscar at first because it was a supporting award and it felt like the end of his leading man days. She thought he should take the supporting award and be happy with it.

(she did misremember things though. There is a great youtube clip of Robert Osborne on Dinah! with Shelley and a bunch of Oscar winners. Osborne says a bit nervously that he got the idea to write a reference book about the Oscars because he saw Shelley on TV complaining about losing for A Double Life. He always wondered who beat her. When he was old enough he checked with the Academy and they told him she wasn't even nominated. Shelley says I wasn't?!!)

Heath Ledger for Brokeback

1958 Best Supporting Actress:

Elsa Lanchester

Witness for the Prosecution

Carolyn Jones

The Bachelor Party

Hope Lange

Peyton Place

Miyoshi Umeki(winner)

Sayonara

Diane Varsi

Peyton Place

Miyoshi Umecki is an odd win. She's barely in it. When I saw the film I kept waiting for the big Oscar moment but it never came.

"What Oscar loss did you find the most upsetting?"

When poor Bette lost for Baby Jane.

DEVASTATED.

Yeah, I have a feeling, R112, that Shelley was "misremembering" again regarding Lolita because the film only got one nomination (screenplay) and outside of the Golden Globes, Lolita didn't do anything, awards wise. So it's doubtful the reason she wasn't nominated was misplacement of category.

Angela Bassett losing to Holly Hunter. No disrespect to Hunter but Bassett held nothing back in that performance and should have been rewarded.

I too would have loved to see Streep win for "Bridges of Madison County." It was one of her best roles and she was mesmerizing in it.

And the fact that Peter O'Toole never won a competitive Oscar is just wrong on so many levels.

It could be true though that she was advertised as lead and just didn't get a nomination like most of the rest of the cast and crew of Lolita. (or maybe she is justifying not get a supporting nod by saying she went for lead.)

You'd have to find the old FYC ads from Variety back then to know for sure.

I get Winters Oscar for Patch of Blue - tour de force

but underwhelmed and annoyed by Anne Frank performance - shoulda been Ritter for Pillow Talk (hilarious) or Kohner/Moore for Imitation of Life (my pick of those two Juanita)

[quote]Angela Bassett losing to Holly Hunter. No disrespect to Hunter but Bassett held nothing back in that performance and should have been rewarded.

I can never get past why Bassett is all pumped up like a bodybuilder in that film. So odd. Tina was never muscular.

I sometimes get a violet marriage gaydar reading on Angela Bassett and Courtney B. Vance.

Olivia Coleman over Lady Gaga for best actress.

Seriously, it would've been awesome if Gaga and Rami won, two first time nominees winning for leading roles.

Glenda presented art carney his award in 1975. Her win then previous year was a big surprise. That was also the only year Hepburn showed up to the oscars when she presented the thalberg award to a friend of hers.

Hunter was a double nominee that year and had won every precursor going back to Cannes.

I think Stockard Channing should have won for Six Degrees. Angela Bassett was fine in What's Love, but she's actually proven time and again what an incredibly limited actress she really is, and it's likely why her career fizzled out pretty quickly.

I adore Holly Hunter, but I would have given her the Oscar in 87 for Broadcast News and in 98 for Living Out Loud, for which she wasn't even nominated.

I love Angela and LOVE Tina but never got the praise for What's Love

felt like a cable movie with pretentious capital A 'acting'

Richard Burton for Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Stunning performance, his best by a mile. A Man for All Seasons was a cheap looking, unwatchable snore.

Bassett came across very petty and jealous when she criticized Halle Berry's win for Monster's Ball even saying she turned the film down because she didn't want to be the white man's whore or something like that. The producers denied ever offering it to her.

[quote] Seriously, it would've been awesome if Gaga and Rami won, two first time nominees winning for leading roles.

Bless your heart, dear. You're the only one in the world who thinks this.

[quote]Olivia Coleman over Lady Gaga for best actress.

Just my opinion but I sorta bought into the theory that "A Star Is Born" had been so hyped to win everything going into that awards season that it turned off some voters, which was why it lost many of its major nominations.

R101 You’re pathetic to like that woman’s movie with no balls.

Shelley Winters was sure she would win a third Oscar for "The Poseidon Adventure" and remained pissed about her loss for years.

Swanks wins were probably not that close vote wise. She won most of the precursors for the first win and the second win was oscar catnip. Big Hollywood movie, critical acclaim and big box office.

Annette Bening beat Swank at SAG though so she was in the running for the Oscar.

Not an Oscar loss but nomination loss:

I prefer Dunaway's Wanda to Streep's Helen, but of course the latter would always be nominated so I guess Kirkland's Anna would have to go in '87

Would Olympia Dukakis have won in 1988 if her cousin had not been running for President?

Didn't the liberal media enable her win by connecting the two contests?

she would have won anyway r135. There was no strong competition and she was highly acclaimed. She didn't really make any political statements until the end of her Oscar speech when she said go Michael! She seemed to want to stay out of the political conversation prior to that.

I have R135 on block but wanted to see what the question was based on R136's answer. Now that I see it had to do with "the liberal media," I know now why I have the person on block.

Well, obviously Judy losing in 1954 will live in infamy. Terrible, terrible choice on the part of Academy voters to pick Grace Kelly's numb performance over Judy's cyclonic turn.

Streisand should have won in 1973 for TWWW. Glenda Jackson is a fabulous actress but certainly did not deserve an Oscar for that cringeworthy movie.

Brokeback losing to Crash is another that will go down as an horrid, infamous loss that shouldn't have happened.

Another person here who is not a fan of Angela Bassett's performance in the TT movie. She is nothing like Tina and I agree that she looks ludicrously muscular.

1950 was definitely a year that Best Actress was wrongly awarded. Holliday's performance has aged badly, whereas Bette Davis' and Gloria Swanson's performances are still absolutely stunningly great.

I'll get "Maryed" but for me it was Brokeback Mountain. To lose to Crash was just unimaginable. And for some odd reason I looked to a best picture win to somehow "legitimize" the film. I was young at the time, though; only in my twenties.

Meryl Streep should have won for "A Cry In The Dark" which is hands down her best performance.

Bette Davis should have won Oscars for both Eve and Baby Jane but not for that dreadful film which first won her the award, where she plays an alcoholic and chews the scenery.

[quote]So true. Especially because Magnolia did it better. That would’ve been a great best pic.

We have really special performances that should have won- Marianne Jean-Baptiste, Shohreh Aghdashloo, Fernanda Montenegro... ,

R124 I would have loved those results too (well I haven’t seen Living Out Loud actually, but your ‘87 and ‘93 wins, respectively are mine as well).

You should check out Living Out Loud, Xennial. It's a quiet little film that really sneaks up on you. And if you like Hunter, it's her show.

R146 That is such a great film! As a teen I used to jerk off to Antonio Sabato Jr. in that. Holly is fantastic in it.

House of Sand and Fog is totally underrated. It’s such a good film and everyone is excellent. Shohreh Aghdashloo Is sublime.

Streisand for TWWW?

Oh my sides.

No R138 Burstyn for Exorcist in '73 then Rowlands or Dunaway in '74

R147 - i think you mean Eddie Cibrian.

Burstyn for Exorcist in '73 and Rowlands totally.

La La Land!

Brokeback losing seemed like such blatant homophobia.

There old academy members like Ernest Borgnine and Tony Curits who openly dismissed the "gay"film.

I also hate how Oprah turned against the film and said she didn't think it was fair that the gay men married women. She turned it into a female victim film as she does with everything. And you'd think she'd know that in marriages like that the women usually know something is up with the man...I mean after all Steadman, Gayle....hello?

Joan should have won for all her nominations. One Oscar was not enough.

R131 I think Shelley was probably more pissed at Robert Duvall's 'presentation' performance at the Oscars the year of her nomination of The Poseidon Adventure than loosing that year.

Lauren Bacall should have won for “The Mirror Has Two Faces”, but she’s pissed off so many people with her nastiness.

Albert Finney never won an Oscar but Julia Roberts did for a movie they were both in.

Alfred Hitchcock never won one, either. Then again, neither did Ed Wood.

When composer John Williams was nominated for Best Score for his wondrous soundtrack for "Memoirs of a Geisha" and lost to the guy who contributed very little to the score for "Brokeback Mountain." The BM score seemed to be a pastiche and not a very good one.

At least the film about Ed Wood won one.

No Living Out Loud for me. Holly Hunter thought she became a real pussy queen for a while. No one wanted that.

R158 I totally remember being haunted by the score of Brokeback Mountain. It capture the spare, cold emptiness of the landscape and heartbreak perfectly. Sometimes it’s the minimalism that can be expressed in music that is its strength rather than flourishes and drama.

R137, You mean, someone actually believes the American media is NOT liberal?

Seriously?

Rooney Mara losing to Meryl in 2012.

Isabelle Adjani for The Story of Adele H.

Laurie Metcalf for Lady Bird.

Sally Hawkins for The Shape of Water.

Emmanuelle Riva for Amour.

I cried for a woman who had no Oscar (G) until I met an actress with no arms to carry an Oscar.

Rosamund Pike for “Gone Girl” losing to Julianne Moore for “Still Alice.” I love Julianne but it felt more like a “Just give it to her already....” award.

Clark Gable losing in GWTW. He WAS Rhett Butler.

R131 The Wife was basically a TV movie. Glenn has given far better performances showing a lot more range elsewhere. The Wife was supposed to have been released a year earlier but the powers decided there was too much competition for Best Actress that year so held it back so Glenn would have a better chance. Oops.

And yes the legendary Isabelle Huppert losing to that cunt Emma Stone was a disgrace. Same when Charlotte Rampling lost to whoever she did.

Voters liked Swank because she promotes the lie that anyone can make it. It's American dream shit. She deserved the first, though.

When you look at actors like Jennifer Lawrence, Amy Adams, Bradley Cooper, etc, all of whom have multiple Oscar nominations (and in a very short amount of time) and who are mediocre at best, against actors like Donald Sutherland, Toni Collette, Jennifer Jason Leigh, Lili Taylor, Mary Kay Place, John Savage, Eric Roberts, etc. who have either only one or actually NO nominations, it's hard to take the awards seriously. All of those actors should be multiple nominees.

If that was the case, R169, then Gabby Sidibe should have won -- I mean in addition to the fact that she gave a wonderful performance in the film.

I watched an old episode of WWHL and Bassett got all snarky, but she wished she got the Oscar instead of Holly Hunter. She smirked when she said "she was playing a mute". Hey, Angela, they don't give out Oscars for working out!

R173 Angry bitch

I know you are R173 , but what am I?

I need receipts please, R172, cause that really just turned me off.

Broadcast News seven oscar nominations, no wins. I love that movie.

The time I lost to this:

I believe R172, considering the cunty remarks Bassett made about Halle Berry's Oscar-winning role in Monster's Ball. Bassett comes off a bit entitled and too pleased with herself a lot of the time.

R171, Sidibe would have been more deserving than Sandra Fuckin' Bullock winning for a glorified Wifetime Movie of the Week.

Absolutely hate it when people write letters instead of words. Happens all the time at work and in life in general. NO, everyone does not know what the fuck you mean! Especially when your "shortcut" can have multiple meanings. PLEASE write the full movie titles! Thank you!

I would have found Lange losing for [italic]Blue Sky[/italic] more than upsetting had the Academy gone the route they have in the proceeding years: awarding some of the most boring and non-existent performances eligible; not always but more times than I care to count. Thankfully, they weren’t persuaded by young twat, ulterior motives, axes to grind and grudges to hold, box-office clout, and/or a lack of taste (as have been most of the detractors of Lange’s second win), when they rightfully awarded Lange for a performance that has more than stood the test of time and which is superior to roughly 75% of Best Actress wins. She threw down and brought the, as JT Walsh once exclaimed in “Breakdown,” “pure tit,” gams, the tears, the STAH POWAH, and the iconic status.

I mean, Helen Hunt? Goop? Julia Roberts? Hillary Swank a second time? Sandra Bullock? Reese Witherspoon? Jennifer Lawrence? Emma Stone? (Loved her in “Birdman,” though.) Renée Zellweger a second time? ::shudder:: That’s a decade’s worth of wasted opportunities and shows that the Academy wasn’t too far from awarding dreck like Jodie Foster for “Nell” or Winona Ryder, who I love, for “Little Women.”

And in addition, they fucked up by not giving Streep a third before the end of the millennium, and many firsts and some seconds before and after the turn of the century: Annette Bening, Sigourney Weaver, Ellen Burstyn, Michelle Pfeiffer, Tilda Swindon, Emily Watson, Glenn Close, Angela Bassett, and the list goes on.

The last two decades of Best Actress wins have truly been shit; boring, stale, crusty shit, at that. Whatever happened to the Best Actress win being for a truly riveting, star performance?

It feels so good to be a fan of someone who won their most important award for my favorite performance of hers.

This, [italic]THIS[/italic] right here, is [bold]STAH POWAH PERFECTION[/bold] -

Half the voting members are mentally unhinged drug addicts isolated in houses in the hills. The other half is a fierce group of Brits who vote in unision. Who cares what any of these assholes think. Like what you like.

R179 Thank you!

Angela Bassett needed those muscly arms for Tina's climactic scene where she asks for the hotel room on credit.

That gushing moment on WWHL....

R185 Okay, I still love her (I included her anyway in my list of ‘should haves.’)

She actually manages to still sound humble while declaring herself more deserving of the aid at than Hunter 😂

[quote] of the aid at than Hunter

Wtf? Spellcheck is so fucking nutty.

*of the Oscar

Emma Stone surely did not deserve an Oscar for basically playing herself. Isabelle Huppert should have won instead

R188 I forgot to mention her in R183. So true!

Isabelle played Emma Stone? That must have been a performance.

Am I really the only person who thinks Whoopi was robbed for Color Purple?

R191, I would have liked a tie for her and Geraldine Page.

R191, at least Whoopi got one for Ghost eventually. Some of the really good actors never won even once.

R191 I don’t think so. I sometimes feel this way (my pick is Lange for “Sweet Dreams”) but then I scrutinize her performance and realize it’s not all that, really; it’s the film as a whole that is utter perfection. Still, I wouldn’t be mad at a win for her.

Then again, I absolutely love Geraldine’s win. She’s just so good (that laugh, snort, and subsequent slap of the envelope! ::bows down::).

In an ideal world, I’d have given those three - Lange, Page, and Goldberg - the win.

I feel the same about ‘82. I would give the win to Streep, Lange, and Sandy Dennis, who is [italic]beyond[/italic], in [italic]Come Back to the 5 & Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean[/italic].

Another loss that hurts a little is Diana Ross for [italic]Lady Sings the Blues[/italic] - one of my favorite films and performances. Though the film veers into biofiction, Ross, who should’ve been the first black Best Actress winner, manages to make it all work with her ferocious performance. She’s stunning.

OMFG. This scene!

R191, you're not -- my sister was furious when Whoopi lost the Oscar to Geraldine Page. She saw both movies and said she could not believe the Academy preferred Page for that "boring ass movie" (her words) over Whoopi.

I myself have never seen "Bountiful," so can't compare the two but do agree that Whoopi delivered a great performance in "Purple" and should have won the Oscar. To a certain extent, I think the voters thought so too or else they wouldn't have felt the need to give her that makeup Oscar for "Ghost" several years later.

R199 She really was excellent, despite what I said above about not finding her “all that” - I just recalled the “until you do right by me” scene - but she was also fantastic in “Ghost” and almost single handedly made that film (try thinking of it without her), so I wouldn’t deride her win as a “make up Oscar.”

I suspect I'm in a minority, but I so wanted Mickey Roarke to win for The Wrestler. I thought he and the movie were devastating!

Instead, Sean Penn won his second for I Am Milk. A movie I'm surprised wasn't criticized for certain homophobic portrayals.

Not a word about Michael Keaton? Talk about cruel and stupid....giving the Oscar instead to some nobody when Michael Keaton gave the performance of his career in "Birdman."

R201 Me too!

R202 I wanted him to win so bad for “Birdman” and for his career (“Batman,” “Mr. Mom,” “CLEAN AND SOBER,” “Beetlejuice”).

I can’t believe that other fuck won.

I was surprised by Keaton's loss also. Wasn't that the year Eddie Redmayne won? I know that performance was widely-praised as well but still thought Keaton had it in the bag.

R204 I can’t stand that win - so pandering - or him. I think I’m still seething over Keaton’s loss. He gave the best performance that year, IMO.

[quote] Viola loosing to ham M.

Oh, dear.

Saddest-Mickey Rourke

Most disappointing-Leonardo DiCaprio

Dustin Hoffman lost to John Wayne.

Eddie Redmayne's performance was right out of the My Left Foot playbook. There was no way Keaton could compete with that.

Helena Bonham Carter

Kate Winslet

Judi Dench

Julie Christie

Four brilliant actresses lost to that pathetic Helen Hunt.

R209 Keaton eclipsed that annoying fuckwad.

If I remember correctly, one theory for Hunt's win was the fact she was the only American in the category. Don't know how realistic that was but did hear it played in her favor.

jessica lange and kim stanley should have won the oscars for frances. end of story!

R181 Blue Sky was a weak win in a weak year.

I've shown Blue Sky to a group of friends - all of us Lange fans - and they all were "That's what she won for?"

Glad she has two, but Blue Sky is 'meh'

R214 And yet, her performance in it is still better than most of the winners after her save for a handful, and superior to a good 50% of the winners before her.

Julianne Moore should have won for Boogie Nights.

^^ She eventually did for Still Alice, where she was her usual amazing self. She’s my favourite, with Blanchett and Huppert.

r191. Disagree. Geraldine Page is brilliant and Whoopie is as always just ok.

I love Jessica Lange but her win for "Tootsie" was one of the worst in my opinion. She did absolutely nothing of note in that film. It was purely a consolation prize that should have gone to just about any one of the other far more deserving nominees (particularly Kim Stanley, who played her mother in "Frances").

Though I'm sure losing twice in one night must suck, Lange could have gone home empty-handed. She would have survived. They sure as hell didn't mind bypassing Sigourney twice in one year a few years later.

Oh FFS, is the Lange loon back again, polluting yet another thread?

When Eddie Murphy lost to Alan Arkin. I like Alan Arkin but he played just another supportive grandpa, the kind you've seen in the movie a thousand times. Say what you want about Eddie's personality -- and it IS prickly and unpleasant at times -- his performance in Dreamgirls was outstanding. That scene where he's backstage and does a little spin and he's suddenly onstage was the best moment in that movie or any movie I saw that year. He should've won and you know it.

R221 The story has been logged here before. Eddie was the favorite to win, but he fucked himself over. Talk about self-sabotage. Right after the ballots were mailed to voters, he publicly lambasted whichever Spice Girl named him baby-daddy. It was really nasty and I suspect he lost a ton of votes because of it. His publicist should have locked him in a basement during the three week voting period.

R170: Jennifer fucked Harvey and Bradley gave blowjobs. That explains their successive Oscar nominations.

R209, it was also that Redmayne went full Hathaway as a campaigner. He worked the circuit that year.

R212, I don’t think Hunt won because she was the only American in the category. Put Pam Grier for Jackie Brown in Julie Christie’s place, like the Screen Actors Guild did, and Hunt still would have won. It was very much a combination of the right actress in the right movie at the right moment. I don’t think she deserved the Oscar, but I can’t say it was because of xenophobia.

Rooney Mara and the snubbed Tilda Swinton losing to Meryl Streep for The Iron Lady. Her accent was way off and her portrayal of this formidable woman was tepid.

R215 Since Lange's win:

Better or equal to Lange: Sarandon, McDormand, Swank, Roberts, Swank, Mirren, Blanchett, Moore, Stone (9)

Worse: Hunt, Paltrow, Berry, Kidman, Theron, Witherspoon, Cotillard, Winslet, Bullock, Portman, Streep, Lawrence, McDormand, Zellweger (14)

Actually I don't agree with you. Lange was better and more deserving that 14 winners after her and equal to or bettered by 9. All personal opinion but boy a lot of those winners since 1994 have been stinkers.

[quote]it was also that Redmayne went full Hathaway as a campaigner. He worked the circuit that year.

Exhibit A:

They always give Best Supporting Actress to the current pretty Young thing. And lately they've done it for Best Actress too. And after they win their career goes to sh!t!

R226 Forgot to mention Larson - another dud win.

OMG Matt you are too funny making Oscar movies about forgettable Jessica Lange movies. Does she pay you per post?

M, stop accusing others of what you have been doing for years.

r228 not this decade. Most of the Supporting Actress winners have been older (Melissa Leo, Patricia Arquette...)

AnnE and Lupita were the only pretty young things to win recently.

R220 Still referring to yourself in the third person? Meds not working? Get your bloated, retarded, Faye Dunaway and Janet Jackson loving, goyim hating ass out of my sight. And don’t taint Ms. Lange’s name with your cunt spew again.

[quote]At least the film about Ed Wood won one. —Martin Landau

And what was I, chopped liver?

Oh and Alicia Vikander won this decade too. (and her career did fall apart right after.)

R226 So are we agreeing or disagreeing?

The Best Actress category reflects how film has declined as a medium.

If you look at the 70s thru about the mid 80s every performance is just stellar and they are a bunch of losing nominees that are fantastic too.

Nowadays. It is just blah.

Lange is effervescent in Tootsie, displaying an aching subtlety and bittersweet melancholy that grounds the film, giving a rare poignancy to what is essentially a slapstick, though extremely witty, comedy. Her performance elicits autonomous sensory meridian responses to the max.

So glad she won; so deserved. It hardens my nipples and makes my clit stiff and wet.

Lange does bring depth to what could have been a throwaway role. Just think what it would have been like with some of the other actresses who were considered for it: Olivia Newton-John, Morgan Fairchild

Lange Lange Lange went the looney ... Shing it boys.

Jesus.

R226 Pretty much agreeing but I think there are more bad winners in the last 20 years than you do.

Of course if you go 20 years forward they are better quality winning performances.

The great: Hunter, Thompson, Foster, Bates, Tandy, Foster, Page, Field, MacLaine, Streep, Spacek, Field, Fonda, Keaton, Dunaway, Fletcher

The not to great: Cher, Matlin & Hepburn and even they are better than most of the post 1994 winners.

I thought Charlize was great in Monster. I can’t recall a winner after her that really wowed me besides old timers. Bullock, Lawrence, Gwyneth, Brie, Emma these are all average actresses.

[quote]Most of the Supporting Actress winners have been older (Melissa Leo, Patricia Arquette...)

Though I'd agree she's a good actress, I must admit Melissa Leo's win that year really annoyed me due to how much she made an outright clown of herself during the run-up to the awards. I was really hoping for once that the Academy would send a message by not rewarding such blatantly desperate behavior.

R239 well to be fair, you’re naming like the worst actresses who would never be cast in a film on that level anyway.

I think a good number of good actresses of that time could have brought the same qualities that Mange brought - would it have worked quite as well, who knows that’s always a gamble. But point being what she accomplished was not so exceptional .

Whereas no one else of that time could have replaced Teri Garr and been nearly as good. She deserved it so much more and her scenes are so much more memorable.

Olivia Newton John said in her bio that she was very close to getting the part in Tootsie but lost it to Lange at the last minute.

Who else from that era could have played Lange's part. You need depth but also the beauty to be believable as a soap opera star.

Yeah Garr was better but it was a makeup award for Lange. Actually I think Glenn Close would have won had Lange not. Close did the best in the precursor awards along with Lange. Garr was too comedic and they don't like comedy usually.

R242 I can agree with this.

R245 Honey, please, I love Garr but Meryl, if asked to, could have done that and much more in her sleep; she couldn’t, nor could any other actress - I don’t care how beautiful - could have brought what Lange did to “Tootsie.” (Don’t think your Mange quip bellies your bias and bitterness; it doesn’t.)

The only alternative to Lange I’ll accept that year is Kim Stanley, who it could be argued deserved it for both her performance and career (“The Goddess,” “Seance on a Wet Afternoon”).

I find the Lange fan very frightening.

R249 Which one? There are a few.

Kate Hudson was deserving for Almost famous

While not a great actress (and my choice would have been McDormand for the same movie), Kate Hudson gave a star making performance in Almost Famous and should have won. It was actually one of the biggest Oscar shocks of that decade that she lost to Marcia Gay Harden for what was, let's face it, a pretty terrible performance.

I'm somewhat stunned that Hudson didn't win because she completely fits the modern criteria for a Best Supporting Actress award. My only guess is that somehow the nepotism of it all turned off some voters.

R252 Hudson was amazing.

Who gives a fuck? How could a stranger getting an Oscar affect your life?

How many think, (like me), that Marcia Gay Harden was lead? Was she put in supporting because she wasn't a big name?

Won't somebody please, Please, PLEASE shit in my mouth? Especially if you've just downed a large glass of prune juice?

Shocked at the love for Hudson in Almost Famous, sure it was a breakout role, but it was smarmy and sentimental, I’m surprise she didn’t die of cancer at the end.

I loathe Kate Hudson and loved the shock and disappointment on her face when she didn't win. She seemed sure that she was going to be crowned BSA that year just as her mother had been a few decades prior.

Miss Toni Collette for the Sixth Sense.

R260 She’s one of our finest actresses but I don’t get the nomination or love for this role. Yes, I’ve seen the car scene.

R179 Sandra Bullock was more deserving of the Oscar for the film she won the Razzie for the same year than for The Blind Side.

Sandra Bullock doesn't deserve any Oscars. She is a personality performer who coasts on her charm and charisma. I have never seen a Bullock movie where she played a character convincingly.

Angelica Huston in The Grifters. I saw it recently. It was quite shattering.

I lost all respect for Angelica Huston the night she won her Oscar and said she didn't care that her father and boyfriend (Jack Nicholson at the time) had lost, all she cared about was that she won. After that, I was done with her.

R264. Well, considering both her father and Nicholson had already won Oscars (Nicholson twice), I don’t think it was unseemly to be happy—particularly given the rough start she had in a film directed by her father. And neither of them were predicted to win.

Why is that so wrong, R264? If either of them had won and she hadn't would you have expected Nicholson or John Huston to not be happy and celebrate their win?

I am glad Anjelica was able to enjoy her win without feeling any unnecessary guilt.

I don't understand the hate for Melissa Leo. I didn't think her ads were that terrible, especially considering past campaigns from people like Margaret Avery or Chill Wills. I wouldn't have done it, but she's a good actress and, while not necessarily deserving for that particular performance, has given many excellent ones that have been ignored.

Who said she had to feel guilty? I didn't say that. I also didn't say she shouldn't have celebrated the fact she won. I'm saying to just flat-out say you couldn't care less about your own father and boyfriend losing, that it's all about ME ME ME!!!, was just tacky.

How classy it would've been to say something along the lines of "Well, given the great work my father and Jack did, I wish we all could've been winners tonight but I'm very happy for myself and know they'd say the same." That would've been a lot better than the equivalent of "So long as I won, fuck them, who cares."

Melissa Leo's speech was one of the most pathetic spectacles ever witnessed at an awards show. They should have came out and revoked her oscar then and there.

La La Land was quite a creative accomplishment. But Hillary lost the election, fears of the racist right rising were in the air, so they gave it to a very good gay black movie that wasn’t as creatively accomplished.

Go ahead haters. Try making a unified movie musical as opposed to a little gay coming of age movie (that had already been done-to-death in the UK if not the US).

I really wanted Jaye Davidson to win for The Crying Game. He lost to a dull performance by Gene Hackman in Unforgiven.

Sally Field in Norma Rae.

I was robbed.

You were, Bette. You should have won.

No. ^.

I was tickled pink Marcia Gay won over Kate Hudson. MGH is a goood actress and barely had sensitivity. I do remember her annoying ass hippie smiling and twirling.

*Hudson barely had sensitivity or was able to suggest an interior life. Annoying little BPD slut the character was. I didn’t care.

One Oscar loss I love is TimoTay losing to Gary Oldman.

Raging Bull to Ordinary People The Academy’s biggest membership group are actors. Actors vote for anything done by an actor.

Faye Dunaway not being nominated for Mommie Dearest. I Dominic care what people say, she was phenomenal in that role. It’s iconic. Not too win but at least be nominated.

*I don’t care (not Dominic)

I love Raging Bull, but I'm a total Ordinary People stan, so I'm fine with it winning. I'm upset Donald Sutherland wasn't nominated for Best Supporting Actor though.

R281 Same.

Judy really did deserve it for Star is Born.

I'd also argue for MTM for Ordinary People, Glennie for a few of her earlier ones, and for a movie I personally saw as it came out in the theaters? Whoopi for Color Purple, hands down.

MTM should have won.

Lange should have won lead for Frances or even Sweet motherfucking Dreams....Blue Sky is such a WHAT?

Agreed R285.

The fact that Mia wasn't even nominated bugs me.

R270 I disagree with you and completely agreed with the Academy. It was the perfect year for a Picture/Director split vote. I loved both movies, Moonlight and La La Land. I found Moonlight to be slow and careful at first, but ultimately incredibly moving. Not just for the story itself but the way it was told. (The three separate vignettes). I've grown to love it more on repeated viewings, and almost often identify a thread I had not previously noticed.

La La Land, in contrast, was exciting and electrifying from the start. Completely innovative, sometimes breathtaking, an auteur Director's tour-de-force. I had previously seen and love Damian Chazelle's Whiplash and couldn't wait to see his potential unfold as a director. I also couldn't wait to see it again, if just for the locations, colors, and musical numbers. It held up, but a little less so each time. I was more aware of the flaws in characters and story each time.

So Best Direction, yes, but for me, Moonlight moves better with time.

It was also my favorite Oscars show ever. Not despite the fiasco at the end, but because of it! Talk about building of suspense. And the greatest Faye Dunaway performance since Mommie Dearest!

& why the hell wasn't Mia ever nominated for any of her Woody films...Purple Rose Of Cairo, for instance?

Blue Sky is perfection, bitch @ R285 / R286. It’s a perfect Oscar win with all of the rage, tears, beauty, and sex a cunt like me could hope for, with 3/4 of that being pure tit.

And MTM should have won.

Also, Mia not being nominated is criminal.

Shut up Lange Troll.

R292 My God, Matt, don’t you stop?

The thread is about people who lost Oscars but should have won. You are so dense that you keep posting about Jessica even though she has nothing to do with the thread.

R294 Matt, it’s called responding to people who bring up Jessica, dear. Now, move it along, toots.

R289, Mia was often hurt by category confusion, a general lack of respect as an actress, and dumb luck. She didn’t have standout roles in the Allen movies the Academy liked best, so she couldn’t get swept to a nomination by love for the movie, as so often happens.

R215 And yet bullshit.

If she hadn't won an award for it - no one would remember it.

Excluding the Lange die hards like yourself.

So anyway, R296, it is insane that she was never nominated for an Oscar and lost all seven times she was nominated for a Golden Globe.

Blue Sky is a mediocre picture with some good performances, but Oscar?

It and its fave feel threatened by Mizz Lange’s pure tits 😂

Real Best Actress wins inspire reviews such as these:

A Glamorous Hothouse Violet : Commentary: Jessica Lange’s striking performance in “Blue Sky” is belatedly released. How come this superb actress isn’t working more?

BY PETER RAINER

SEP. 21, 1994 12 AM

Jessica Lange’s acting in “Blue Sky” leaves you awe-struck. It’s a great performance. Because the film, which was shot in 1990, is just now being released--it’s yet another foundling from the pre-bankrupt Orion Pictures era--its appearance is like a gift.

It’s an especially welcome gift because Lange hasn’t been acting much in the movies lately. (She’ll appear in “Losing Isaiah” in November.) She starred on TV in 1992 in “O Pioneers!” and, later that year, on Broadway as Blanche DuBois in “A Streetcar Named Desire.” But her two most recent movies are “Cape Fear” (1991) and “Night and the City” (1992).

You have to wonder how it is that Lange could give the performance she gave in “Blue Sky"--it’s probably her best, even better than her Frances Farmer in “Frances” or her Patsy Cline in “Sweet Dreams"--and keep away from the cameras for so long. The lack of good roles for actresses is no excuse. Lange is the kind of actress film artists write great roles for.

Lange’s role in “Blue Sky” as Carly, a manic-depressive Army wife, is, at least superficially, one of those life-force sexpot vamps who periodically turn up in the movies in order to reduce stalwart men to foaming fumblers. She’s conceived as a sort of cross between a Tennessee Williams hothouse violet--a deranged, damaged maiden--and a late ‘50s/early ‘60s glamorpuss in the Marilyn Monroe style. (The action is set in 1962.)

Part of what Lange accomplishes with Carly is to demonstrate how close in neurotic temperament these two female incarnations really are. They both rise and fall on the fragilities of beauty. The loss of beauty--or at least its illusion--becomes the loss of self.

Carly knows she is still beautiful, and she exults in her own good fortune. She sashays with the humor of a woman who believes herself blessed--the gods must want her to entertain them too. Carly models her look on the reigning movie queens: Monroe, Elizabeth Taylor, Bardot. She has seized on movie-star glamour for its power to transpose her life into a swoony, scandalous fantasy. The irony is that Carly is an original--the more she mimics her fanzine idols the more she emerges in all her ravaged singularity. When she’s manic she’s too much for herself--too ferociously pent-up and passionate--and that’s exactly the state she craves. She needs the fix of delirium.

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She’s a trial to her two daughters, who indulge her episodes with a mixture of horror and annoyance. (They’re like abused seraphim.) She’s a trial to her husband, Hank, an Army radiation scientist, played by Tommy Lee Jones, who decided a long time ago just to love her unconditionally. (The felt, underplayed graciousness of his performance helps make Lange’s possible. And, of course, few directors could work more wonders with actors than Tony Richardson--this was his last film.)

But, on some essential level, Carly’s deliriums have so much more romantic feeling, so much more danger, than anything else in her family’s life that she has become indispensable to their will. She’s a maddening creature in full swoon but, when she’s in a generous mood, she transforms their dullsville life into a high-spirited casbah. (The black comedy of the piece is that Carly makes her husband and children miserable so she can commiserate with them in their misery and make them whole.)

Carly’s high spirits lift her way off the ground, but she can’t stay up there forever. It’s when she comes down with a crash that she terrifies. When Hank--partly because of Carly’s take-it-all-off high jinks--is transferred at the start of the film from Hawaii to a military base in Alabama, Carly’s sensual, dolled-up funniness inflames to a full-scale rage. Her baby talk and sweet smiles, so transparently protective, burn away, and she flees her run-down new home until Hank tracks her down in a supply store like a cornered animal.

“I can see that radiation just coming off you,” she wails at Hank, who talks her down with an infinitely comforting patience. He rescues her again, and, yet again, she will betray him. But as she approaches her in this scene, Carly’s eyes shine in admiration for her rescuer. The harridan has turned into a supplicant.

Carly’s rages are scary because they don’t have the self-dramatizing play-act quality of her swoony, rapt episodes. When she’s dancing her flamenco for a bunch of wide-eyed soldiers at the base in Hawaii, or even when she’s just dancing sinuously by herself, she has a dreamy, comic quality that lets us know she’s in on her own self-delusion. She plays to an audience even if that audience is herself. (In a sense, the role is all about the illusionary, crazy-making art of acting.)

But, when she feels trapped and cornered, her voice drops from a hushed Southern breathiness to a hard, low-slung rasp. (The vocal shifts are reminiscent of Vivien Leigh’s Blanche in the movie version of “Streetcar.”) Her movements becomes jagged. She’s not self-dramatizing in these moments; there’s no bravura, no studied self-awareness, nothing to distance her (or us) from her pain.

You can see why she avoids the pain--it strips away her camouflage and leaves her ragged and illusionless. When she’s high, she’s hellbent to stay that way. She has a split-second sensuality; she can turn it on in an instant--before the despair crowds in. When she thinks Hank is losing his love for her, she sits up at night while he sleeps; when he wakes up and sees her, she asks him if he still loves her and then, before he can answer, advances upon him like an uncoiled dream walker.

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As the distressed Frances Farmer in “Frances,” Lange sometimes had the lurid, scary, powder-burned look of a figure in a Weegee photograph. In “Blue Sky,” Lange’s Carly, at low ebb, sometimes has the bereft, denuded look of a woman in an Edward Hopper painting. Carly can appear so languorously sad--it’s not the way we want to see her. (Sadness doesn’t make her soulful; it saps her.)

You can almost forgive her hurtful sprees--like the way she carries on with the base commander in full view of everybody--because it’s her way of murdering despair. Carly’s seductions hurt everyone around her, but, for her, they’re not quite real. She doesn’t want to be “real.” She wants to retreat into her own movie-glamour authenticity, and the men she seduces are just play-actors in her pageant.

Carly ends up a heroine by rescuing Hank from a nasty military double-cross. After saving her so many times, she saves him. It’s a supreme act of love, and Lange has prepared us for Carly’s strength by already showing us, in flashes, the depth of that love and the mettle in her mania. Without this last-inning righteousness, Carly might seem too overpoweringly deluded, too neurotically “womanly” for modern audiences. But she’d be a great character even without this final triumph. Her greatness is in not holding anything back.

Give up. If you are constantly having to push Jessica maybe she is not that great. After the awful Blue Sky, she was never nominated again.

Who cares what a blogger who’s probably bitter his fave doesn’t have an Oscar, never mind two, thinks about Ms. Lange’s win for Blue Sky? Maybe he/she gets triggered by a sexy middle-aged woman who’s got the chops, the STUFF, to kick ass and win. In the end, the point trying to be made by you and your ilk is moot; she has the Oscar. [bold]Forever[/bold]. It makes my cunt moist, too.

It’s so telling that even when you have utter shit performances like Goop’s, Sandra Bullock’s, and Julia Roberts’ to sling mud at, you want to pile it on Lange who was infinitely better and more entertaining than those mentioned and many not mentioned. Does it hurt that much?

It is so sad, Matt, that you have to dedicate such white-hot envy and degradation toward Ms. Lange when you could be doing something much more productive with your life.

Can’t you find a more dignified way of making yourself feel better?

LOL 😂

I love the new BFI clip released as a promo for their SPECIAL EDITION Blu-ray due out next month.

So awful

Julianne Moore losing for “Far From Heaven.” She should’ve won.

R309, I think that was the year she was also nominated in supporting for "The Hours," so she lost two in one night.

Sorry to ask what may be a stupid question, but who is Matt?

Julianne's chances for Far From Heaven might have been hurt by her BSA nomination for The Hours the same year. I knew a voter who felt that she had essentially played very similar characters - a 1950s-60s housewife trapped in an unhappy marriage - in both films and there wasn't any variety in her choice of roles.

R310 Yes. She was amazing and totally different, R312, in both.

La la land electrifying? Fuck.

Julianne should definitely have won for Far From Heaven.

The scarf scene.....MARY!

[quote] Sorry to ask what may be a stupid question, but who is Matt?

Some sad fat troll with Chia Pet hair

R315

Matt is the Jessica Lange Loon who constantly posts pictures, clips, gifs and videos and refers to his mussy.

R318 Oh, Matt, don’t you know when to stop? I mean, you’ve already made your hate for Lange and her work abundantly clear; and you’ve regaled us ad nauseam with your love for Faye Dunaway, Janet Jackson, Nicole Kidman, and your white-hot hate for the goyim.

We’ve been trying to steer the conversation to other unfortunate Oscar losses such as Julianne Moore for “Far From Heaven.” Please do move on.

And he is easily triggered ^

The irony.

Nicole Kidman winning for “The Hours” for a prostheticized supporting performance really was a travesty, especially considering the fact that Julianne Moore was much better both in “The Hours” and “Far From Heaven.”

“Beauty and the Beast” losing to “Rain Man.”

I was devastated when Dallas Buyer’s Club didn’t win Best Film Editing at the 2014 Oscar Ceremony.

I’m still upset about it! That was THE BEST damn editing I’ve ever seen!

The Oscar loss I find most upsetting is the loss of limiting the Best Picture category to only five nominees.

Pan's Labyrinth's score lost to Babel's, which sucked because the most moving piece of music used in Babel wasn't original to the film. I think Gustavo was still riding on his Brokeback Mountain win.

[quote] “Beauty and the Beast” losing to “Rain Man.”

“Beauty and the Beast” lost Best Picture to "The Silence of the Lambs", not "Rain Man". The other films nominated that year were "Bugsy", "JFK" and "The Prince of Tides".

"The Prince of Tides" was the weakest nominee in the group and I think “Beauty and the Beast” would have been a worthy winner considering the other nominated films.

Another vote for Emily Watson in "Breaking the Waves" losing to that overrated, one-note cow Frances McDormand who benefits from nepotism.

R121 Two first nominees won that night you fucking Gaga-fan idiot.

Aladdin should have been nominated for Best Picture.

There was also a push for Robin Williams to get a Best Supporting Actor nomination for his voice over, but it didn't pan out.

I have to believe The Lion King came close to a Best Picture nomination. I know Disney really wanted it to happen for Pocahontas.

I think the only awards body that ever went for voice acting was the BAFTAs with Eddie Murphy in Shrek.

Travesty is not a synonym for tragedy, folks, it means an inferior imitation *of* something. You can say certain wins/losses were a travesty of justice (as meted out by AMPAS, presumably), but without an object of some kind the word is meaningless.

Woody should have won best original screenplay for the Purple Rose of Cairo over Earl Wallace for Witness, a movie that does not hold up very well IMHO.

Star Wars or the non nominated Close Encounters over Annie Hall for Best Picture.

Diane should have won for Reds.

As far as Scorsese losses go, I actually love OP (big surprise there) and could barely get thru Raging Bull, as much as I recognize it was great filmmaking (it is). The Goodfellas loss to Dances with Wolves is the truly terrible one (one of the worst ever).

Goodfellas is just so damn good.

Kathleen Turner not winning Best Actress for her very moving performance in "Peggy Sue Got Married".

Jeanne Eagels for “The Letter” losing to Mary Pickford for the insipid “Coquette.” Even Betty Compson or Bessie Love would have been more worthy!

Scarlett Johansson in Jojo Rabbit losing to Laura Dern. It was such a great part and ScarJo nailed everything from the accent to the comedic timing to the maternal warmth. But of course Dern cleaned up the circuit because ~she was due~. Lame.

There's no greater travesty than Hillary Swank being a two time oscar winner.

Nothing else even comes close.

Jennifer Hudson being a one time oscar winner trumps Hilary any day.

Gosford Park director Robert Altman's last-chance loss to Opie Cunningham (A Beautiful Mind). Even co-nominee David Lynch knew it was bullshit.

R338. At least they were for good roles. I thought she deserved it for Boys Don’t Cry, less so for Million Dollar Baby—she won for the tragic outcome more than for great acting. I also do think the ending WAS problematic. Scholarly studies indicate that after the first six months of adjustment, people who undergo such traumatic disabilities, the majority adapt and report a decent quality of life. The filmmakers (and writer) decided hers wasn’t a life worth living—I get that she was no Stephen Hawking and that her body WAS her identity, but still.

I think any number of actresses of her generation could have done the role equally well and I wanted Bening to win. But it’s not a disgraceful award like Bullock’s (and I like Bullock, but that role?).

I do think that sometimes the role wins the award, more so than the performer.

Annette Bening always comes across as a smug bitch, so I am glad she has never won. The year she was nominated for American Beauty she seemed so sure that she would win and her heavily pregnant state made her desperation to win look pathetic and cheap. Watching her lose twice to Swank was very enjoyable.

I just thought of another one- Kathleen Byron as the sexually repressed nun in Black Narcissus. What a performance! We've mentioned that cunt Celeste Holm in another thread, but shit, that wasn't a performance that deserved anything up against Kathleen Byron.

I agree with OP.

I watched G1 and G2 lately, and Pacino gave such a nuanced and powerful performance. A master class ! (Actually, most actors in the movie are top notch.)

It just proves Oscars aren't that significative. Art Carney's role that won him an Oscar was forgotten and the character of Michael Corleone remains culturally relevant. Al had the last laugh.

I'm an adult, so I'm not upset when well-paid actors don't win trophies.

OMG, R340 ! I still feel affronted by this one and I'm not even Altman !

Roberto Begnini over Ian McKellen

R158 Spot on commentary about "Geisha." I felt the same way. I have a friend who interviewed Williams about his writing that score. My friend said Williams did a lot of research into Japanese music and the koto, the national instrument of Japan. On Oscar night that year, I was convinced Williams would win. When the score for "Brokeback Mountain" was announced, I was disappointed for Williams and angry at Academy voters. But I chalk it up to a divided vote because Williams that year also was nominated for the score for "Munich."