Pick a Television Show and Tell Us The Point Where It Went Off The Rails

Fonzie and that shark. They had happier days on that show.

[italic]Silver Spoons[/italic]: the day Kate made them get rid of the room-to-room train set.

The Walking Dead, Negan

I love Jasmine!

The Golden Girls, when Coco died.

Lost. Episode 1, Scene 1.

The Nanny having Maxwell and Fran marry and Niles and C.C. falling in love. The show had a lot of funny moments but lost its spirit.

I liked the Jasmine arc on Angel. Problem was it left all the characters broken and the writers didn't know what to do next.

Saturday Night Live. 1980.

Dallas: Dream Season

Dynasty: Moldavian Massacre

Knots Landing: Abby leaves the show

Beverly Hills, 90210: They graduate college.

Melrose Place: Kimberly blows up the apartment complex.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: She comes back to life on UPN.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: She comes back to life on UPN.

Oops. Double-post.

Beulah, episode 37.

R14, that the episode "Beulah and the Honeymooners". What was so bad about it?

Nip/Tuck - they move to California

Dexter - they kill of Julie Benz

Game of Thrones - the siege of Winterfell and dispatching of the Night King

Shameless - The departure of Joan Cusack

Weeds - They burn down Agrestic

Bewitched - They switch Darrens

24 - They leave LA

True Blood - the season where they jumped forward to all that fairy storyline shit🧚‍♀️

Game of Thrones, the season when they made Ramsay THE villain of the show instead of the White Walkers story arc. HBO spent $$$$ on special effects for battle of the bastards episode and that set a trend for seasons after that when good storylines are sacrificed in favor of attracting dumb viewers more interested in special effects.

R7, I was just thinking about that last night. COZI is showing the episodes this week featuring their wedding but I tuned out as I agree that's when the show went off the rails. Since that was near the end of its run, I'll just wait a week or two for them to cycle back to the beginning of the series and start watching again.

Moonlighting- when Maddy and David hooked up

Roseanne winning the lottery. Beginning of the end.

It's one of the late Ethel Waters Beulahs. Locked in the archives. Butterfly's Oriole gives little Donnie a bath and Big Bill walks in and Donnie asks why he's called Big Bill and Oriole looks at bath water and rolls her eyes and sighs Lordy Lordy, Chil'.

Designing Women - started late in season four, careened off the tracks in Seasons 6 and 7.

Denise going to college in The Cosby Show

When Laverne and Shirley moved to L.A.

[quote]Weeds - They burn down Agrestic

You beat me to this. Then they got rid of Conrad, Heylia, and Veneeta.

The Good Wife with the Kalinda’s husband storyline.

Any time they add a random precocious child to the cast🎿 🦈

All in The Family when Edith died - and when Florida and James were no longer on Good Times. Not really jumping the shark, but the shows were never really good after the characters were no longer a part of the show.

You rang?

Fringe did two resets, which was one too many for me. I never finished the final season that jumps forward into a dystopian future.

Yes - Negan killed Walking Dead. Seriously - I regret all the time I invested in WD. It became such a pointless shitfest that I just wanted them all to be eaten after it became The Negan Show. When you start feeling like you are being trolled by the writers, it’s time to stop watching.

Killing Eve is amazing, but Season 3 seemed a bit pointless.

Best (and maybe only) example of a show recovering from jumping the shark was I LOVE LUCY when Little Ricky showed up. The pregnant Lucy episodes were great but all the baby/toddler episodes were a big bore.

The following season the producers smartly sent the Ricardos and Mertzes to Europe and left the kid back home with Mrs. McGillicuddy and the show got back on track with continued success the following season with everyone in Hollywood where Little Ricky was rarely seen or even mentioned.

When Flo was no longer on Alice and it became The Linda Lavin as a Waitress Variety Show.

Little House on the Prairie - Nellie 2.0 (Nancy). Or the blind school. LHOTP should have its own thread on jumping the shark.

LHOTP should have a thread directed to the Queen of Bitchery and Faggotry: Mrs. Olsen

R21 nah, it jumped before that. Don’t forget that terrible Gilligan’s Island episode. I actually hate that more than the lottery stuff. I’m in the vast minority that liked the lottery season.

Dynasty jumped the shark with the “impostor“ Krystle, Rita.

When Mad Men became the Megan Draper and her Big Teeth Show

Mad Men recovered a bit once Megan was back burnered but yes, it got murky there for a while.

Matt Weiner really misfired with Meghan but he’ll never admit it. He thought she was sensational.

Any “Very Special Episode” in the old network sitcoms.

When Blanche Deveraux decided to take in female boarders. Gentlemen guests would have been much more interesting, and satisfied.

Lost in Space....The carrot vegetable monster ep.

Yes Meghan was a massive misstep. It’s weird because sometimes you are so engrossed in a show you didn’t realize the show sucked at the time. It becomes a sunken cost situation and you just keep watching out of habit. Now I stop watching shows if they start to suck and never look back.

The ruination of “Dynasty” began a few episodes before the “Moldavian Massacre.” The show lost its focus. Yes, it was over the top, but it began to cloy. It was too much, even for “Dynasty”.

I have never understood the dislike of Megan on Mad Men, but I seem to be in the minority -- at least here on DL.

I think the sudden exit of the closeted gay character on Mad Men was a mistake.

R44 Blanche with gay male roommates (not Coco) would have been an interesting idea as long as they weren't like the three irritating young men they met while in that fictional Latin country.

When David fucked Maddie.

Megan was playing a legitimate role in Don's story.

I didn't have an issue with the first half of her story. But the character stayed around too long, much longer than she should have.

R45, that was the last episode of LIS.

Friends, everything after Chandler and Monica got married.

Laverne and Shirley, after they moved to Cali

Kensi nearly dismembered alive with a Saws-all on NCIS-LA

When Julie Rogers, a former "model" suddenly becomes a private investigator Puleaze..

I agree about the Friends comment. They turned Monica into a shrew.

Grey's Anatomy-a show that has went off the rails way too many times

When Jed Clampett bought a castle in England. (Beverly HIllbillies)

This season of The Amazing Race with all that alliance shit and those nelly mean girl bitches Will and James winning; one of the worst winners ever.

The problem with Megan in Man Men wasn't the story, but how awful and amateur was the actress and you knew the casting couch was the only responsible for that mess.

For the "Maddie and David" responses:

Oops! Maddie and David scene:

"Jeopardy!" soon, when Ken Jennings hosts.

The Royal Family: When Meghan and Harry moved to LA

Yeah, putting Monica and Chandler together ruined both characters.

I think Shameless’ shark jump was when they broke up Mickey and Ian at the end of season 5 and then wrote the latter out of the show. The quality fell off a cliff after that.

Regarding Fonzie jumping the shark, R1, I have never seen that clip before so thank you. For all these years I just thought that the moment was some sort of comic scene. I had absolutely no idea that it was played for maximum dramatic effect with quickening music and fast editing. It’s just astounding how awful it is and it has really earned its place as being the embodiment of when a TV show begins to suck.

Major Crimes- when they killed off the main character

Seinfeld, Larry David's departure.

"Sex and the City", when the fugly Sarah Jessica Parker was signed on to play the lead.

[quote] [R14], that the episode "Beulah and the Honeymooners". What was so bad about it?

Isn't that the episode where Beulah says, "Fuck this shit! Clean your own damned house and fix your own damned dinner!"?

I was fine with "Game of Thrones" until the last season. Then they just hurried things up too much at the end, and they also stupidly filmed the Battle of Winterfell at night so we couldn't see what was going on.

What happened to those guys, Benioff and Weiss? it seemed the world was all before them when the show was running until then, but then everyone hated the final season and their plans to do the alternate history series about the South winning the Civil War went up in smoke.

[quote]Major Crimes- when they killed off the main character

Wasn't that pretty much the finale?

West Wing - when Sam's hair got shaggy and he ran for Congress and then left the show

The whole feminist Girls from Grun/Grunion thing was stupid on The Beverly Hillbillies too.

Did The L Word ever jump the shark?

[quote] I agree about the Friends comment. They turned Monica into a shrew.

She was to them as Michelle was to [italic]Full House[/italic].

ER - When that helicopter fell on Romano. It may have went off the rails a bit beforehand but I stopped watching when this happened.

[quote] Did The L Word ever jump the shark?

Yes, when a butch lesbian wanted to become a heterosexual man despite a friend trying to encourage her not to.

Once Upon A Time. The whole Peter Pan and the lost boys. I thought that season would never end.

American Gods - it just fizzled out at the beginning of season 2. I loved S1 (didn't read the books) but S2 brought in too much funky visuals and flashing lights and didn't bother with a compelling story. I bailed by episode 3. I saw why Bryan Fuller and Gillian Anderson refused to return.

Handmaid's Tale, starting with Season 2. Season 1 was the plot of the book, and was flawless. Season 2 had moments, but got really really soapy.; ("I GAVE MY EYE! I GAVE MY CUNT!!") Season 3 was unwatchable.

And then there's Maude…

Saved By The Bell- when Screech and Kelly considered dating

R80, definitely. It became the Captain Hook Redemption show after that. Blech.

The Office - When Pam was filming her talking head at the end of season 3 and Jim interrupts to ask her out. The following seasons never came close to season 2 and 3, it pretty much kept getting worse, seasons 4 and 5 were pretty great, season 6 was strong but aimless, season 7 was weaker than season 6 but at at least it was building towards Michaels exit, season 8 was a mess and then it had a slight turn around in season 9.

When Sophia moved into Richmond St on GG .

When they added that fat little know-it-all Alexandria to [italic]227[/italic] then replaced her with a "hip" white teacher and Rose's boyfriend.

When Bones got pregnant by Booth.

The Simpsons- After the seventh season.

Whenever the two, star crossed leads finally fuck.

When Elliot was no longer on Law and Order SVU.

Will & Grace - when ALL the supporting characters were funnier than Will & Grace. Karen, Jack, Beverley Leslie, even Rosario could have done a funnier show than Messing and McCormack.

[quote] It may have went

It may have gone...

Heroes: when the producers decided not to kill off Sylar.

Gilligan’s Island-that time Gilligan made the stupid mistake preventing them from getting off the island.

Moldavian Wedding massacre.

Totally agree r94!

Heroes jumped the shark when they killed Isaac, which sliced away the whole concept the series was built on and they never found another. Oh, and shortly before, turning audience-identification character Peter Petrelli into a massive twat.

"Hazel" - when Mr. B and Missy took off for Baghdad and dumped Hazel and Little Harold off on George's brother.

Seinfeld: when George and Susan got engaged, for real.

The Mary Tyler Moore Show after Rhoda and Phyllis left...

Mary moved to the boring apartment with no friends except her coworkers;

She started to seem like sad lonely older woman...

At the beginning of the show, she seemed to be bright single woman living on her own in a big city with lots of friends and an exciting life

HEADBANGER'S BALL, mid-late 1991-early 1992 i.e., the death of '80s rock.

As early as Fall/Hallowe'en of '91, it was obvious there had just been a major sea-change in the prevailing trends of youth fashion, music & TV culture, and suddenly all the music videos and all the newest breakthrough bands skewed very, very dark and industrial. The fun, party-metal and uplifting romantic bombastic balladeering styles of the mid-late '80s was swept aside in a matter of months to make way for driving thrash-rock, spooky alternative, chilly industrial, and thundering black/death/gothic metal. There was also a sudden noticeable desperation to promote and sell 'classic' rock and hair metal; in previous years it was a given that songs and acts in the genre would be popular, no matter whether they were properly and obviously pushed or not.

The old glammy big-stadium '80s rockers who generally starred in episodes started showing up on the Ball looking dour dressed in plaid, shorts and jumpsuits, muted-color thrifted shirts, white socks with black lace-ups, and barefaced with their hair unteased. All the guest hosts started being self-deprecating and sarcastic and mumbly and downbeat, where before they had been high-energy and yelling everything with enthusiasm or braggadocio a la Riki Rachtman. Some hosts even took to telling long boring stories about their touring days that just fell flat, sounded tone-deaf, and made them seem like dinosaurs.

The change was amazingly fast, and seemed to come out of nowhere.

[quote] NIKKI SIXX: Nirvana, one of my favorite new bands! VINCE NEIL: *awkwardly, without enthusiasm* Yeah....-_- NS: They're excellent, I was telling this fella *indicates Vince* earlier-- VN: *interrupting to quickly change the subject*--and look who showed up finally! Late, as usual! Tommy [Lee]!

[quote] The Mary Tyler Moore Show after Rhoda and Phyllis left... Mary moved to the boring apartment with no friends except her coworkers; She started to seem like sad lonely older woman...

On rewatch, I'm surprise by how weathered Mary (the actress) looked in the later seasons. I also picked up on the coldness to Mary's personality (that Robert Redford also saw when casting her in "Ordinary People").

I actually did like her 2nd apartment, but it looked exactly like Bob Newhart's (the original show) apartment.

I also didn't like Georgette with the baby voice.

The Jeffersons was laugh-out-loud funny during it's early years, but faltered when they added the white Willis son, and had Louise working at that "Help Center".

When Family Matters became "The Urkel Show", it really became unwatchable. teve becoming "Stefan"?

Agree about Bewitched declining when Fake Darrin arrived. But it wasn't just him, we also got shrill Gladys No. 2 and boring Maurice.

The season of X-Files that ended with Mulder disappearing and Scully telling Skinner she’s pregnant., a double whammy it never recovered from. I wanted to take a baseball bat to my television.

Alias. When they dropped the long form serialisation/cliffhanger aspect of the show and went with standalone type episodes. Season 4, I think. Also when Vartan was put on the backburner because Affleck didn't like the thought of his new girlfriend, Garner, being to close to her ex . Her pregnancy didn't help either. Show never recovered.

RHODA, when they rushed her into her marriage with Joe. Too Soon.

[quote]Denise going to college in The Cosby Show

Remember, that's how A Different World got started. That was part of the plan.

Since La Spacey has been in the news.... House of Cards jumped the shark at Season 5. People think about how awful S6 was, but S5 was pretty bad. The fact & way in which Claire became the President was utterly ridiculous. Even before the Spacey's scandal, it was clear that HoC was on for one season too long after S5 ended.

As others have said, Friends should have ended at the Monica and Chandler wedding. If you take out the baby reveal, it's a perfect finale. After that, it's just fumes and the cast willing to cash their huge checks (see also, the Simpsons). I mean, having Joey and Rachel get together???

Revenge should've never had a season 2. Season 1 was perfect.

And if they HAD to keep going, Season 3 had a great ending

Twin Peaks never needed a season three. Well, at least not the one they gave us.

"All in The Family when Edith died "

Actually AITF tanked after Mike and Gloria left for California. Then came the appearance of an orphaned Jewish child, "little Steffi", that gets dropped into the Bunker's laps. A move to California and the adding of a "cute" kid; of course the show would go right into the toilet after that.

"Laverne and Shirley" went straight to hell after the cast moved to California. Penny Marshall said she was really "pissed" at the move; if there was to be a move she thought it should have been to New York. But neither she nor Cindy Williams wanted the show to moved from Milwaukee; neither of them wanted it, but Gary Marshall was "immoveable" on the issue. What an idiot he was.

R32, another vote for Negan. I stopped watching the show when Glenn was killed, who cared after that.

I could not take another moment of Negan's endless talking and smirking face. No way was I going to watch that mass murderer lead a show, much less get "redeemed" down the line...

A prominent, strong character leaving the show usually causes a decline in a show's quality. That's what happened with "All In The Family", which lost THREE of it's characters: Mike, Gloria and Edith. "Goot Times' lost James and the show was shit after that. And after the death of Michael Conrad, who played Esterhaus on "Hill Street Blues" , that show definitely went down in quality.

Its characters, not it's characters

Grey's Anatomy, when Izzy slept with George and also with the ghost .

AHS after season 3 ( Coven ) .

Absolutely Fabulous, when the praise went to Jennifer Saunders' head and she started considering herself some sort of writing genius. Sometime around the start of Season Two, by which point the writing had become repetitive and the same joke over and over. Like "Keeping Up Appearances" with vodka and drugs.

I'm old enough to have seen the "Happy Days" shark episode when it aired. The commercials leading up to that episode really hit the drama HARD, everyone was supposed to be worried to death that Fonzie would get killed. The problem was that it was part of a three-part story arc that began with Chachi being introduced and everyone at the time HATED him, the same way they hated Scrappy Doo.

But in hindsight, I think that was the point. The show was trying to appeal to little kids, which is why we got Chachi, and episodes where an alien named Mork showed up, and other ridiculous stuff. I was a little kid at the time but surrounded by enough older kids who hated Chachi that I didn't like him, either, but all my classmates did.

This AV Club article defends the jump, saying it's what the culture wanted back then, but I don't think that's true. People my age remembered the "Happy Days" shark episode so clearly that in the 1990s when someone started the website jumptheshark dot com, all we had to do was read the URL and know exactly what it was talking about, because we remembered that shark jump and how disappointing and silly it was, after all the buildup from a previous episode and the commercials.

[quote]The Mary Tyler Moore Show after Rhoda and Phyllis left.

I had moments during Seinfeld when I was glad NBC didn't create spinoffs for Elaine, George, or Kramer.

"One Day at a Time" -- the introduction of Alex (Glenn Scarpelli) and his father Nick (Ron Rifkin), and then again when Sam (Howard Hesseman) was added.

When Gale Gordon replaced Vivian on The Lucy Show. It proved, to my mind, that Viv was the secret of Lucy's success.

The West Wing, season five, episode one -- when Aaron Sorkin stopped writing the show.

24 -- sometime in season six the show just lost its sense of inspiration and grew overly repetitive. I still think seasons one and three are the best.

Grey's Anatomy -- whichever episode it was where Meredith almost dies and sees into the afterlife. It's a hospital show, for fuck's sake! If you objectively show that people are safe and happy after they die, there is never any sense of jeopardy for the doctors to save anyone ever again!

Designing Women, when they added Anthony and Bernice, neither of them were funny or entertaining. The show was fine the way it was.

[quote]Grey's Anatomy -- whichever episode it was where Meredith almost dies and sees into the afterlife.

She's doing it now. She's got covid, and is hanging out on the beach somewhere with McDreamy and George.

Downtown Abbey, when they killed of Cousin Matthew (Dan Stevens). Derailed, train wreck, no further point to watching.

^^^ Downton ^^^

"The Lucy Show" in 1966 when 55 yo Lucy was called "young lady."

"American Idol."

Stage 1, Initial Diagnosis: When it allowed the aspiring singers to play instruments, also. This led to the "White Guy with Guitar" sequence of poor vocalists.

Stage 2, Attempted Cure: When the Original Judges departed, and New! More! Dull! were introduced.

Stage 3, Terminal: When funny bad auditions were dropped in favor of a "kinder, gentler" and totally rigged show with certain "character" slots to fill (WGWG, Black Soul-Male, Black Soul-Large Female, Blonde Country, Foreign-Born, Not-Southern Eventual Loser, etc.).

The OG "Law and Order": The retirement of Lennie Briscoe. DUH!

Oh, sure, it hung in there bit with Green, Fontana, Lupo, and Bernard, but please. The expiration date had been written.

Now you know why Norman Lear & company had an affinity for British TV: shorter seasons meant shows get run into the ground half as fast. Yet they didn't realize that and went full steam ahead until shows that started with a bang went out with a whimper.

OUAT - they jumped the shark when they made Emma the dark one.

The intro of Negan where he took a bat to major characters’ heads was so gruesome I stopped watching. It was so graphic that if felt like a snuff film. Gore porn is not entertaining. I recently read they had this in the show and I wanted to vomit.

R69

The writers of 'Major Crimes' knew the show had been cancelled, which is why they wrote the ending as they did. (For those that haven't seen the entire run, no need for spoilers.)

I agree a thousand times with ER and the helicopter crash. Awful. Like a cartoon. One of the stupidest plots ever. The only reason I continued to watch ER was for Maura Tierney, who was so fucking good even in a failing, flailing show.

The office,.Robert California. He made zero sense in relation to the " tone" of the show. It was like a crossover from a completely different series.

The Apprentice . Jan 20 2017.

Drag Race: Season 7 was the beginning of the end; season 9 ended it. Season 6 was the last good one save for AS2.

Doctor Who: when the show became focused on showing how woke and diverse the behind the scenes staff were, rather than try and create interesting plots and characters.

Drag Race All Stars: I don’t know which season it was but the season when they did Shangela dirty as fuck was the last season of All Stars I watched.

When Drew had Rosie deal with his piles. Was never the same after that.

"The Mothers-in-Law" never went off the rails - it was delightful from beginning to the very end.

Walking Dead writers wrote the storyline based on the books. They didn't make it up to turn off viewers.

I don't agree R142. Desi should have given Roger Carmel that pay bump. It was not that he was integral to the show, but the recast threw the chemistry of the 4 leads off. Season 1 was like I Love Lucy. The second season was like the Lucy Show after Viv left.

CSI was a lot less interesting after Gil Grissom left.

“Lavern and Shirley”, started to slip before the move to California. Every other week, they were singing or dancing. It wasn’t supposed to be a musical. It was a comedy. It was so hammy and juvenile. The writers ran out of ideas, and it was easier to feature a music review.

Whenever this happens in any sitcom, the show is in decline and will be cancelled soon thereafter.

Murphy Brown, after the baby was born. It was a clever and well written, sharp comedy. The baby was a distraction and an annoyance. The show lost its focus.

R144 - ooh, yes, you're right, I forgot all about him leaving. His hairiness was one of my favorite things about the show, even if it was just sticking out of his collar.

When Beverly gives Leon her share of the diner on Roseanne. After that, the fake Becky comes strolling in and the show starts jumping.

And for a show that prided itself on reinventing the family sitcom, it's surprising that they went for such a stereotypical sitcom trope like recasting a main character.

The Office - twice! First when Andy (Ed Helms) joined the cast, second when Nellie (Catherine Tate) joined.

Yes, I know WD is based on a graphic novel, but there are ways to translate things to TV or film in a less grotesque and gruesome way.

Frasier: When Daphne and Niles hooked up. After that Daphnes character changed and became a nag and Niles wasn't as pathetic as before, which took away some of his charm.

Fran marrying Maxwell should have been the ending of The Nonny. (Even Fran Drescher admits this) But we got a shitty last season that had Niles and CC falling in love and getting married, as well as the older daughter. Also a dismal two parter where Sylvia has an affair. and that fucking awful Yetta's Letters episode.

To add insult to injury, CBS pulled the show in February and brought it back for the series finale, then dumped the four previous episodes they didn't show during the late summer. So Niles and CC were newleyweds before we even saw him propose and Fran comes home with the twins before we watch her give birth!

Les Moonves is probably to blame for that, R153.

R154 Did he try and fuck Fran?

Only metaphorically in this case, R155.

I hate the shit where we're all expected to understand Initials -- WD -- what the fuck, it would kill you to write it out, R151?

Calm down, R157 - the hormone therapy is obviously taking its toll. MARY!

Walking Dead(?), R157.

Nip/Tuck, right after the kid fell in love with the transgendered chick.

[quote]"Laverne and Shirley" went straight to hell after the cast moved to California. Penny Marshall said she was really "pissed" at the move; if there was to be a move she thought it should have been to New York. But neither she nor Cindy Williams wanted the show to moved from Milwaukee; neither of them wanted it, but Gary Marshall was "immoveable" on the issue. What an idiot he was.

Though I agree that "Laverne & Shirley" making the move to California was a mistake, I did think they had a few genuinely funny episodes out there. It's just that there weren't enough of them (maybe 2 or 3) to make up for an otherwise terrible creative decision.

[quote]"All in The Family when Edith died"

[quote]Actually AITF tanked after Mike and Gloria left for California. Then came the appearance of an orphaned Jewish child, "little Steffi", that gets dropped into the Bunker's laps. A move to California and the adding of a "cute" kid; of course the show would go right into the toilet after that.

Agreed. "All in the Family" had a perfect ending and they didn't take it. The final shot of the series should have been that frame of Archie and Edith sitting side by side in their chairs looking devastated as we hear Mike and Gloria's car pulling away outside and the picture slowly fades to black. As I said, it was a fucking perfect end and they didn't take it, choosing instead to continue with Stephanie. Totally missed opportunity.

By the way, if I remember correctly, Edith did not die on "AITF." She died on "Archie Bunker's Place" because Jean Stapleton had tired of making guest appearances on the spin-off and the producers decided that would be the only logical way to explain why Edith would never be seen again, particularly in scenes when Archie was at home.

[quote]Dynasty jumped the shark with the “impostor“ Krystle, Rita.

I agree, R39. Most people point to the Moldavian massacre as the show's jump-the-shark moment, but at least it had some camp value. The whole fake Krystle plot, with the real Krystle locked in the attic, was stupid and annoying.

[quote]Downton Abbey, when they killed of Cousin Matthew (Dan Stevens). Derailed, train wreck, no further point to watching.

And having killed off Sybil a few episodes earlier certainly didn't help. But Matthew's death on the way to see his newborn son was definitely the beginning of the end. Every season seemed to get worse, with The Perils of Anna and Bates becoming especially tiresome.

But r163, I thought that cat fight between the two Krystles was one of its best cat fights. Krystle body slammed Rita’s ass against that wall like a thug. lol

Was the problem with the Moldavian Massacre was that no one of consequences died? Or was that entire season bad?

The Moldavian Massacre conveniently killed off Steven's boyfriend (William Campbell). So much for that icky plotline!

[quote]The whole fake Krystle plot, with the real Krystle locked in the attic, was stupid and annoying.

And at the same time, they were doing another storyline viewers hated: Alexis wanting to be the Queen of Moldavia.

However, they did listen to the feedback and ended both plots way early. They even scrapped lots of scenes they had already filmed, such as Alexis being crowned Queen.

Grey's Anatomy, blowing up Kyle Chandler

[quote]Revenge should've never had a Season 2. Season1 was perfect.

Season 2 should have been a completely new story, unrelated to season 1.

"What's My Line?" jumped the shark right when it started because of the smarmy, creepy, obnoxious know-it-all social climber Bennett Cerf. The show would have been much better with someone else in his place.

He annoys me even more than the chinless wonder Dodo Kilgallen.

"American Idol" -- When they decided 3 judges weren't enough and brought in Kara DioGuardi as a fourth judge.

DL has done it again. We've found someone who hates Bennett Cerf.

[quote]DL has done it again. We've found someone who hates Bennett Cerf.

I didn't hate him, but he could be gassy.

Here's Lucy took a dive after the eye candy (Desi, Jr.) left the show. This little gay boy was fascinated by Desi's chest hair.

QAF when they revealed a famous drag queen was the father of the Hal Sparks character.

Supernatural after season 5. After that it was basically Once upon a time/True Blood lite in denim with fairies, Oz and all sorts of dumb shit.

From Dusk Till Dawn after season one when it got all soapey instead of just straight up gore horror with snake vampire hookers.

r161, but their Burbank apartment was so much nicer than the Milwaukee one. As someone who lived in a basement apartment for six years, I had a L&S moment when I finally emerged from being a mole person and didn't need to look at dog bellies outside my windows.

When Minnie died in the snug, the street was never the same after that.

When Kes was sent packing on Star Trek Voyager,

After that it was Borg this , Borg that & Seven had her barely human nose in every scene imaginable.

The creepy boss kept his kept woman too relevant on an ensemble show.

Married...With Children when Seven was introduced.

One Day At A Time was ruined every single time Pat Harrington Jr was on camera.

[italic]Who’s the fucking Boss[/italic] and [italic]Growing fucking Pains[/italic] from the moment they shot their respective pilots. Worst TV shows EVER until [italic]Full House[/italic] premiered. Then that was the worst show ever until [italic]Friends[/italic] premiered. That has been the record holder for a quarter of a century and will likely continue to be so for the foreseeable future. If a worse show was even possible, it would’ve premiered by now.

Big Bang Theory when Blossom showed up and Raj started talking. After that it was a completely different show than what we saw in the first few seasons.

[italic]Gimme A Break![/italic] fell off the rails the day Dolph Sweet died, and then it crashed into a giant land mass named Rosie O’Donnell.

[italic]Diff’rent Strokes[/italic] pretty much died the moment Sam and Maggie came on, then died again when they changed networks and replaced Maggie.

[quote] Who’s the fucking Boss and Growing fucking Pains from the moment they shot their respective pilots.

In fairness, both of these shows got much better after they dropped the word "Fucking" from their titles.

WEDT when EB and STD got married and left the show but it was just because STD got on TDCMM for more money, and it was like WTF, IDGFT!

R186 LOL!

I take it R183 holds Good Times & Sanford & Son as the cream of the crop.

No thanks.

WTF, R187?

Melrose Place jumped when Kimberly blew up the apartment complex, but the season leading up to it was fire!

Days of our Lives jumped with the Marlena possession.

All My Children jumped the shark when Head Writer Megan McTavish killed Dixie Cooney Martin with pancakes. It only got worse when Chuck Pratt became HW.

R112- All In The Family declined well before Mike and Gloria moved to California. When they moved next door to the old Jefferson's house the show lost it's energy and humor.

"American Housewife", this entire season has been awful.

R139- Dr. Who seems desperate to be HIP and desperate to please a 21st century audience.

R194 Even when it came back in 2005 it wasn't hip, but it was fun and that's something the current era isn't.

A contemporary show I do NOT like is BLACKISH- besides being TOO PREACHY the characters-particularly the kids, are TOO PERKY and even MORE annoying than the kids on the Cosby Show.

R196 I blame Modern Family for that, all those damn kids had to be precocious.

What's Happening! was VERY funny for it's first two seasons, then they brought in a token white kid and Mabel King had left the show by then.

I'm not sure who was funnier Shirley or Dee. I would say Shirley.

Degrassi Junior High- ca. 1987 felt like an ABC After School Special. The kids were struggling with their lives trying to make it through the week. I felt like I was watching kids I could relate to. Degrassi High was not quite as good but still relatable.

Degrassi : The Next Generation- the show was AMERICANIZED. The kids were all PRETTY and they were ALL go getter. I did like the GAY storyline with the husky football player but overall the show was MTV slick.

Days of Our Lives did jump a bit when the Salem Slasher killed Marlena and there was such a fan backlash that they made it her unknown identical twin sister who was killed. Plus all the incarnations of Roman and Stefano D were just stupid. At least the possession was something new, although ridiculous.

Her twin sister wasn't unknown. Samantha was part of a big storyline only a few years before on the show R200.

[italic]Soap[/italic] flamed out once DIana Canova left for a non-spinoff from the same producers.

Ironically, [italic]Benson[/italic] seemed to improve in quality as it went on even with the rotating supporting cast.