Heather Morris Speaks Out After Backlash for Calling Glee Fan's Mark Salling Post 'Offensive'

I must have pictures

SHE was the one up on McHale’s IG posting her stupid ass comment that nobody asked for, so she can STFU. People want to run their mouth, and then cry when they get called out.

Unless the post involved brackish water or foreign Broadway I’m not interested.

So much to live for!

I can’t take actors who can’t write correctly seriously.

Mark was her close friend. I see nothing wrong with what she said. If Twitter loves Michael Jackson then they can deal with Heather loving Mark.

You know what's really tiresome? People, like Morris, conflating mental illness with evil. They are two very different things. Salling was evil. His pedophilia couldn't be treated with medication. Sociopaths don't change. Rapists can't be cured. Mental illness, however, can be treated.

Morris is ignorant of the difference. No surprise there, since she's in need of remedial English.

She sounds barely literate.

Her career has gone nowhere since Glee. Good.

The difference between this guy and Jacko is that we have irrefutable proof of predatory behavior. He had a computer full of child porn. While I personally think MJ was a pedo, there is no actual proof. Just adult victims saying that it happened. In cases like that there will always be people who doubt it. Mark was a known creeper and Cicero his face with a barf emoji was actually pretty tasteful compared to what they could have done with his photo.

What’s offensive is that that rotten show still has fans knowing what we know now about this pedophile breeder pig.

Whatever happened to the white guy with yellow skin on Glee?

Did Mark ever molest kids or did he just jack off to photos of them on the internet?

[quote] Did Mark ever molest kids or did he just jack off to photos of them on the internet?

Yes, one is evil, the other less so.

[quote] Mark was a known creeper and Cicero his face

Don’t name me in the same sentence as a paedophile, strange concept as it is.

Fans and followers are currency in Hollywood. Not many people can afford the luxury to be real on social media. Heather defending a friend who died was too real since the public doesn't see Mark Sailing as a friend or nice guy, but the creepy pedo who took the easy way out and killed himself.

[quote] who took the easy way out

Yes we wanted him to suffer. In public. For us.

R13 Allegedly, he only had photos. To this day, I still don't think his case was as cut and dry as "he was a pedo." The amount of photos said to be on his laptop was an absurdly high number. Something like 50 THOUSAND photos. That screams "distributer" to me. I've always thought he got involved in something much larger than himself and made to take the fall for it. Allegedly, he was supposed to give some statements to law enforcement about other people, then suddenly "committed suicide."

[quote] who took the easy way out

[quote] Yes we wanted him to suffer. In public. For us.

WTF? Gurl, sit your New Broadway ass down.

Hmmm... I wonder if Mark Sailing was mo!ested on the Children of the Corn set.

Yeah, I always suspected he had some side deal going where he sold and distributed the pics underage fans sent to him.

R18 There are probably some gay guys on here who have 50,000+ porn pics of naked men. Doesn't mean they're a distributor. Just means they're addicted.

She types touched.

Some of these comments are weird and disturbing. He could have been “just” distributing them? Like having a huge collection of child porn on your computer is normal or okay as long as you’re using it as income and not actually raping the kids....this is a forum for gays. Not degenerates. Go to 4chan, sick fucks.

And on a positive note, Chris Colfer's latest book....

What do Jonathan Groff and Grant Gustin say about their time on Glee? They both seem reasonably well-adjusted.

R10 must have forgotten about all the books in Michael's possession with "artistic" photos of naked boys in them.

[quote] You know what's really tiresome? People, like Morris, conflating mental illness with evil. They are two very different things. Salling was evil. His pedophilia couldn't be treated with medication. Sociopaths don't change. Rapists can't be cured. Mental illness, however, can be treated.

That's a bit simplistic view. I personally see pedophilia as a sort of sexual orientation in itself, and people suffering from it aren't necessarily evil. There was a great documentary about a British male pedophile years ago that opened my eyes about how some pedophiles feel miserable about their condition. The man said he'd never be with a child since he understands how wrong and terrible it is but he can't help being attracted to them. If I remember correctly he said he doesn't watch child porn. And, yes, I realize he could've been lying since pedophiles are notoriously good at hiding their activities but the documentary made it all sound very legit.

Now Salling obviously had tens of thousands of child porn images and videos but I've never heard of him molesting any kids. Obviously the porn itself is terrible since it supports the molestation done by others but still, if he was a total sociopath he probably would've been a prolific abuser himself. Him committing suicide also tells of someone who quite probably felt conflicted about himself. Or he was just scared of being torn to pieces in jail, who knows.

I've never knowingly known a pedophile but I remember when a co-worker, an elderly lady, was caught stealing items at work. She was obviously fired instantly and turned into a total pariah which all felt a bit silly to me since we got along great and always had fun working together. Naturally you can't really compare stealing coffee bags to being a pedophile but I do understand Heather Morris in this. She was friends with Salling for years and apparently knew his good side. Judging by her words she empathized his condition and saw him still as a friend and not only as a monster, a bit like I saw my colleague.

Life is complicated and things aren't always black and white. That obviously doesn't mean that pedophilia should be accepted but that some pedophiles aren't total monsters. We all know that many of them are, though, truly vile psychopaths who seem to be unable to comprehend the suffering they are causing. Or maybe they do realize but still do it.

[quote] The amount of photos said to be on his laptop was an absurdly high number. Something like 50 THOUSAND photos. That screams "distributer" to me.

Each frame of a video counts as one photo.

R24 Are you stupid? I didn't say he was "just distributing" I said I didn't think he was "just a pedo." I've always thought his whole situation was far worse than we knew.

Michael actually raped boys. Salling didn't

I am not discounting Salling’s crimes, but I strongly agree with R28.

People are complicated and the older I get the more aware I am that most hide secrets. Some very dark secrets.

R28 is right.

Sociopaths don’t commit suicide.

"I personally see pedophilia as a sort of sexual orientation in itself, and people suffering from it aren't necessarily evil. "

So Milo is STILL posting here.

Well, I guess if you have no where to go this "vile pit of trollery" will take anyone in.

R35, grow up.

R28 was that documentary produced by NAMBLA? You sound easily manipulated as do those who agree with you. Heather sounds like an idiot - and she has kids?

Salve.

Says who, R34?

As the article below notes, it's rare, but it happens. Psychopath and sociopath are used interchangeably in some psychiatric circles, while others make a distinction between the two terms. Either way, serial killers are considered psychopaths/sociopaths and some have committed suicide. The writer assumes that the ones who kill themselves did so because they were incarcerated and could no longer engage in the criminal behavior that gave them pleasure.

Another possibility: Like Salling and other cowards, they kill themselves so they don't have to face the music.

R37, it was by the BBC, if I remember correctly. So no, nothing to do with NAMBLA. It's a totally alien idea to you that not all pedophiles are psychopaths and that some refuse to follow their urges?

I do realize that we have been accused of being pedos by homophobes since like forever but that shouldn't mean we have to shut down our critical thinking completely. By treating all pedophiles like they were totally inhuman monsters we shut out the ones who hate being pedophiles and need help from professionals who know how to handle and treat them. I personally feel sad for those guys. Imagine knowing you can never truly find a loving relationship since that would mean becoming a monster you don't want to be? Obviously Salling couldn't control his urges and was deep into child porn. Was he a monster? In a way yes, but had he abused kids himself he would've been even worse.

"[R35], grow up."

So the pedophiles will leave me alone?

[quote] It's a totally alien idea to you that not all pedophiles are psychopaths and that some refuse to follow their urges?

You are proving my point. I’ll save my sympathy for the powerless victims of pedophiles but you go ahead and advocate for the poor misunderstood pedophiles who don’t act on their evil impulses, as if that ever happens.

I can't believe I used to find Mark Salling attractive. And I still do.

R42 I'm not the one you're arguing with but there are probably just as many pedophiles who stick to jacking off to porn instead of actually molesting children (because they're disgusted by their urges) as there are gay men who stick to jacking off to porn instead of fucking other men (because they're disgusted by their urges). If I had to live next door to a pedo, I'd rather it be one who felt bad about his urges and stuck to jacking off to porn rather than running around the neighborhood grabbing at kids.

[quote] You are proving my point. I’ll save my sympathy for the powerless victims of pedophiles but you go ahead and advocate for the poor misunderstood pedophiles who don’t act on their evil impulses, as if that ever happens.

You do realize you can feel empathy for more than one group of people at a time? Pedophiles are victims as well since they were apparently born with their urges and not just one day decide that hey, let's go molest some kids. I most certainly do applaud the ones that refuse to follow their urges since they are trying to be good. Calling them evil doesn't seem quite right.

I don't think the vomit emoji was disrespectful to his memory, but I think it's inconsiderate to the people who loved him and knew him as something more than a pedophile. I don't think you can just turn off the love for someone, despite finding out that they're a despicable human being. That's why you see so many parents in total denial about having criminal children.

The best thing would be to just forget he was ever a part of that show.

The poor dear seems a bit brain damaged. How did she ever graduate from Glee High with such poor writing?

To be fair to Heather, she doesn't typically write that way. I'm thinking she was probably just upset when she wrote it and messed up quite a bit.

It’s been said that true pedophiles don’t see what they’re doing as wrong, thus are less likely to kill themselves. I guess they could end up killing themselves over legal repercussions. Too bad we can’t get people to be open and honest and seek treatment for their illness before they act on it. There are a lot of people who are OCD who think that because they’ve thought about a child in some sexual way it must mean they’re a pedophile. The very discussion freaks people out thus people interested in children are less likely to seek help. That doesn’t mean that there haven’t been a few cases where the person did. There is still a huge stigma. I’m not saying to feel sorry for them but it is bad that we can’t get people into treatment before acting on their impulse. Again, though, many pedophiles see their behavior as normal and everyone else is the problem.

Who knew there were so many pedo apologists on DL? Damn, 2020 has been full of surprises!

Eh, I don't think it's an orientation, it's a kink. And some kinks are not legal (pedo, non-con, snuff and bestiality) and almost all are disgusting to those not into them (scat). Molestation and CP are crimes and morally repugnant. They actively harm people and cannot be normalized. Those suffering that kink need to be destigmatized so that they are willing to self-identify and be monitored. There are probably those who think that's too lenient and other who think that's too harsh. But the goal is to protect the potential victims.

To that end, fictional porn can be allowable (look at all the incest/barely/rape-y legal sites out there, along with comics etc) since there's no lack of consent/harm.

[quote] Who knew there were so many pedo apologists on DL? Damn, 2020 has been full of surprises!

Seeing the world in black and white like you seem to be doing is dangerous. Being realistic about how there are different kinds of pedophiles is just common sense, especially for people studying, treating and handling them in the medical field and law enforcement. Closing our eyes from the truth is a sure way to guarantee things will not get better.

BTW, I'm not an expert on the matter, not at all. But I was a teen during the homophobic years of 80s and remember well how we gay men were regularly accused of being pederasts and pedophiles. That was quite scary to witness as a boy in puberty when some people truly seemed to believe homosexuality is the same as pedophilia and bestiality. That's why I'm quite sensitive about the fact that there are shades of gray in everything.

I've been interested about serial killers and terrible crimes for quite some time, which is probably quite common these days. There's no doubt that many pedophiles are just as psychopathic as the worst serial killers. They do not view the lives of other human beings as something sacred, like normal people do. They more or less lack the ability to feel empathy and / or justify their actions by imagining doing something their victim wants, and with some pedophiles that obviously means their need to pretend the kid wants to have sex with them, which obviously is not true. However it became clear in that British documentary that I mentioned earlier that there are pedophiles who do feel empathy and refuse to follow their urges to rape children.

To my understanding there are lots of men who voluntarily take meditation which is basically a chemical castration. Applauding those guys is important since they have it tough but they make a conscious decision to try to be better. Lumping them together with monsters who rape and kill children is not constructive at all, and only makes it easier for some of them to turn away from our society and become child abusers themselves as well.

And yes, like I mentioned it seems to be quite normal for pedophiles to lie and cheat which makes controlling them hard. That's why they are regularly getting caught after the abuse has been going on for years or even decades. They are masterful liars and can seem very normal. Understanding that there are different types and levels of pedophiles makes finding them easier, and hopefully finding the ones who can be treated makes the world a safer place.

R52/pedo apologist, you have NO CLUE what all sicko Mark Salling was into.

His girlfriend turned his creepy self in. I think she would know better than you.

Stop “applauding” and romanticizing predators like Salling.

[quote]. Too bad we can’t get people to be open and honest and seek treatment for their illness before they act on it.

There's no cure for pedophelia. Treatment doesn't really work either

Viewing and possessing child pornography is a crime and should be vigorously prosecuted.

One can know that AND know there are, among those who violate the law, varying degrees of culpability, just as their are within statutory definitions of homicides.

A number of violators who've been busted for possession and viewing of child porn have not ever attempted actual contact with a child nor do they want it.

Many of them have had a long-time pornography addiction and, just as with gambling, where you need a bigger bet to get the same effect, their risk of looking at ever more dangerous images overtakes them.

Secrecy sustains addictive actions and, of course, the stigma of viewing child porn are powerful inhibitors to seeking treatment.

Again, let me be clear- to possess and view child pornography is a crime and should be prosecuted. The children in those images are being deeply, irreversibly harmed.

Still, when it comes to sentencing, judges have wished for more discretion in the sentencing laws to take into account the perpetrators who are among those who, even some prosecutors will say, that their evidence never suggests any attempt to contact a child, nor do they believe the perpetrator would have.

The posters here who have pointed out that not everything is "black or white" know what they're talking about.

So typical for white gays rushing to defend Sailing ( an actual pedophile and a coward ) while bringing out MJ who was acquitted by the courts.

The world shouldn't viewed in black and white terms. Exceptions would be things like rape and pedophilia/child abuse.

It's interesting how some of you are trying to create a grey area around pedophilia. It's a crime. Doesn't matter one fucking bit whether the criminal is producing child porn or "only" viewing it. Those children (babies, even) are deliberately violated for kicks. You can't apply a fantasy scenario as you would in legal porn because kids are not consenting adults. So much focus here on helping the pedophile, not the victims.

Salling and others who download these videos support the pieces of shit who produce them. Without plenty of people like Salling to consume/stream/share/purchase child pornography, the black market for it would barely exist. Salling is complicit. Using mental gymnastics on DL to defend Chris Watts is bad enough, but minimizing Salling's crime is pathetic. Stop thinking with your cocks.

Another distinction that should be made is that mental illnesses (outside of Cluster B personality disorders) can be treated and regulated. Mentally ill people who do terrible things (and who were law-abiding before their disorder manifested) can be understood because they were not "in their right mind" at the time. After regular treatment, many can function at their "normal" non-criminal level.

This is not the case with psychopaths and sociopaths (the modern terms for evil). They totally understand the difference between right and wrong. They just don't care. They will never change because they don't have a conscience. How can you appeal to a conscience that doesn't even exist? They may act contrite and tell others that they will change, but it's fake and words are cheap. Shit, killers before their executions still claim innocence, even after DNA has proven conclusively that they're guilty.

Those pedophiles who refrained from acting out likely did so because they don't want to lose their freedom. They're not all stupid. The ones who are clever and manipulative are masterful at keeping a low profile or pretending to be reformed so they can avoid incarceration. They have either postponed their criminal activities or are better than others at concealing them.

^The world shouldn't *be* viewed. . .

r5 Compared to Brenda Dickson, Heather is practically Shakespeare.

[quote]Still, when it comes to sentencing, judges have wished for more discretion in the sentencing laws to take into account the perpetrators who are among those who, even some prosecutors will say, that their evidence never suggests any attempt to contact a child, nor do they believe the perpetrator would have.

Salling was sentenced to a short prison term, you sick fuck apologist.

You have no clue what other charges there might've been that caused his to plead guilty in a deal.

Muriel should red-line pedo-apologists.

Salient for Salling.

I don't think she was eloquent about it, or approached it in a smart way, but I can understand her having mixed feelings - I don't know of anyone who did the heinous things Salling did, but you can break off contact with someone or shun them for their behavior and still grieve the relationship you had.

Of course he was sick, of course he deserved punishment and ostracism from society. No gray area there. But she didn't know any of that about him for most of the time she knew him. It's hard to reconcile what you know with what a person becomes in those situations, and she can say, yes, it breaks my heart, it makes me sad.

I missed his suicide. Will they all have tragic deaths?

You know who’s sick? People who are still obsessed with Glee after all this time.

I was molested when I was 5 and 7, and have no time or sympathy for paedophile perverts.

I was molested.