The Meth/Tina Thread

The only Tina in my life is Tina Turner!

[stop the inflow of meth into the country....]

Darling, no one needs to import meth. They make it here. With products sold over the counter of Johnson and Johnson.

But R2, most of the meth is coming in from Mexico, from the cartels

most of the young bearded undercut gays in Hell’s Kitchen and Fire Island are all doing meth. If not all the time, then occasionally. No one seems to be above it.

You're never going to stop a certain percentage of the population from getting high, on their drug of choice. Whatever it is. Decriminalize drug use; give away clean needles and have medical assistance / health care for those seeking treatment. If drugs aren't illegal, the profit would be gone and the cartels wouldn't be so rich.

But how are some of them still fat!?

[quote]meth is going to be the next great epidemic post-opioids

Actually it was the great pre-opioid epidemic. Nick Reding's 2009 book "Methland: The Death and Life of an American Small Town" graphically depicts how the invisible hand of the free market introduced rural America to mass drug addiction.

Why DO gay men need drugs to make sex more enjoyable? I'm not shaming. I've always wondered about this. Weed I understand. But meth, coke and heroin ... what's the rationalization?

People should be allowed to use any drug they desire—they're going to anyway. Focus on rehabilitation and harm-reduction programs, rather than prison time, and take money out of the cartels' hands. Alas, the US is too puritanical for such a common sense approach to ever work here.

I knew she had to be on something. Bless you, OP!

it's for the poors who can't afford cocaine!!!!

[quote]the inflow of meth into the country?

LOL

We first have to stop the outflow of your hare brain.

We will build a wall around every border with signs that say "METH FLOW PROHIBITED."

As long as there's a special gate where my own supply can get through!

I don't know guys. We used to have a huge opium problem in this country (1860s to beyond). Then we had a huge alcohol problem. Then we had a huge cocaine problem (starting in the 1920s).

Some people are self-destructive. Now that cigarette smoking has gone down, the self-destructive are living longer, and using their drugs of choice longer. We'll never stop this until we can stop all the things that ail them--everything from economic injustice to depression to PTSD and abusive history.

All we can do is try.

^^^I'm jaded af.

Everyone has a choice. My view is we can't continue rewarding bad choices. If a meth head genuinely needs and wants help, they should be helped, BUT there has to be strict rules if taxpayer funds are involved. And none of this revolving door crap. If there aren't consequences to bad behavior, then bad behavior will reign. So for those addicts who don't want any help, fine. But no free food for you. No free shelter. No free anything. You make your bed, you lie in it. Your choice.

Don't conflate meth use with the use of other drugs. Meth leaves people brain damaged. They can go to rehab and stop using, maybe. But their brain and brain chemistry are, many times, permanently altered. That just doesn't happen to this same extensive degree with coke or alcohol. It doesn't.

If you're not willing to make that distinction, you're ignorant of the facts... or your already an addict.

"you're"

Don't 'Oh, dear!' me!!!

The word addiction gets thrown around in order to absolve people of personal responsibility.

Some would argue that the human quality of compassion for the less fortunate, while at first glance admirable, disrupts pure evolutionary gain where survival of the fittest is a key ingredient. Jury is still out, but by forcing the dilution of strength to assist the weak, an imbalance occurs and progress is slowed.

Hi Mom!

[quote] Some would argue that the human quality of compassion for the less fortunate, while at first glance admirable, disrupts pure evolutionary gain where survival of the fittest is a key ingredient.

Yeah, but the moment the addicts buy a car, their evolutionary destiny intersects other people's evolutionary destiny.

Tobacco, alcohol, and sugar have done any of the so-called dangerous “drugs.”

More damage

Awww....it's soo nice to see the Messiah starting threads on DL.

R14 is a parody, right?

Tweakers gonna tweak.

R8 why do you understand weed but not the other drugs? Is it because you have experienced weed, but not the others? Do you think that if you’d tried the others for sex, you’d also gain an understanding, just as you have for weed?

Everyone has their drugs, whether substance based or not. It’s all about the right timing and dosage. Making it illegal and a crime is exactly the wrong way (just making a general statement, not referencing you r8)

R16 preaches that to everyone except Republican voters and the massive corporations they bail out.

If people want to take “drugs” then let them. Good God, you’re allowed to buy as many guns as possible and potentially murder hundreds of people but you are not allowed to get high? Mmmkay

R20 = Boris the Sociopath.

Always looking for reasons to kill poor people and betray all the teachings of his Catholic Church except the anti-gay ones, which he likes to reinforce.

I feel more sexual when I’m high. Or more confident. I can’t explain it. Sober, I don’t feel like I’m enough. Especially because I’m not hung like a porn star.

What is an "undercut gay"?

- A Cut Elder Gay

R15, yes, you are jaded, but it's ok, we all are these days

[quote] With products sold over the counter of Johnson and Johnson.

Leave it to a gay to throw a couple of Johnsons into the discussion.

R14, we still have all those problems, and they tend to kill their users long before smoking gets a chance to.

I do agree that some people are prone to self-destructiveness and/or addiction, but some drugs feel really good with few immediate bad side effects. Those are the most likely to be abused by people who are not die-hard addicts.

If you're going to legalize "all drugs" as some propose, does that mean without a prescription? Does it include benzodiazepines? Because, if you do that, half the country will be addicted in a matter of months and stay addicted forever. Even opioids, which have more side effects even with therapeutic doses than benzos, will fly off the shelves because they feel good at first.

If you're going to require a prescription, that implies control over dosage, as with methadone. Addicts won't like that, and the illegal market will continue.

There's really no good answer to this problem, although it does seem like the US has a propensity for choosing the worst answers.

Portugal

The president is addicted to Adderall. Isn't that like meth, only legal?

Back in the day here in the UK, I'd go out clubbing on a Saturday night and do a couple of ecstasy tablets, maybe a line of coke with friends and that would be it.

Now it seems that the same people are on Grindr, every night looking for PnP action on Meth. Truly scary.

R36. Portugal lacks the huge underbelly of lower middle class and working poor who - despite some working 2 jobs - can never make ends meet. They lack health insurance/access to healthcare as well, unlike Portugal. Life becomes a despairing experience. This is where meth and opiates flourish in the US. Why else did Ohio. become first, meth capital, then opiate capital.

Perhaps decriminalizing all drugs makes sense, but you cannot compare the example of a small, homogenous country that is a social democracy that offers its citizens a decent, less stressful life to the horror that present US is.

They should give everyone in the country a weed allowance, it would stop much of the violence.

I like that idea R40

Spot on R5. The "War on Drugs" has been a monumental failure.

R40 and r41 hit the nail on the head. Legalization of marijuana can significantly reduce the use/abuse of more hardcore drugs. It also will reduce the crime underbelly of illicit drugs selling. Congress just recently started getting that ball rolling. Come on Maryland, legalize it!

Never had it. Anyway, I always loved coke. So I had no interest in it...and that stuff is genuinely scary.

Side Note: I'm currently watching Season 1, episode 5 of "Breaking Bad". I started it last night.

Alpha Top sTud looking To parTy and have a good Time. Any sun boTToms looking To geT plowed TonighT?

Save that Alpha Top sTud can’t get it up and they will rub around for hours on their flaccid weenies until they are sore while incessantly swiping their cellphones with greasy fingers.

What about hallucinogens like LSD and peyote? Those are pretty much in the same category as ecstasy, which is not addictive like meth.

I used to do Tina then walk the parks at night hoping the bushes would shake and I’d find sex.

Meth is so insidious because it turns off the brain circuits that control moral behavior. You just don’t give a shit. I guess that is part of its appeal.

I used to do Tina. Then I’d smack the bitch up if she didn’t let me do her some more.

^That's an excellent point. All drugs cause poor judgment, but meth turns it off like a light switch. I'm a eldergay who never did meth, one night I was chatting with this hot kid from Bergen County and he offered me a hit. I took 1 hit and it was like I was through the looking glass. I became fascinated with him and he took me on a wild, not-sexual, adventure. There is NO WAY I would have followed him around without the meth. Nothing bad happened, I'm lucky, I would have given that kid my pin number if he had asked for it. NEVER AGAIN.

I chewed cocoa leaves in Ecuador- good. Cocaine- bad/dirty.

Here's a fun story from down under. Who's had him?

Yes it can be deadly

Capitalists have sucked all the money to the wealthy and left crumbs to the working class.

The economy isn’t working for so many people so they turn to drugs (and populist presidents who promise you so much!).

But we’ve criminalized drug use so suddenly you are stuck in the criminal system when you just wanted to escape the sucky economy...

We are screwed up as a society

R20 = Trump voter; albeit a literate one.

All This Talk abouT Tina posiTively makes my mussy moisT!

R45 R46 have got it spot on. It just amazed me that such a powerful drug is so omnipresent around the gay scene.

We used to do a couple of tablets of ecstasy most weekends. Maybe some coke on special occasions.

But you see guys cruising for cock 7 days a week on the stuff. How on earth do they manage their careers and social lives?

R56 hunny this is my career!

Some of the greatest war crimes have been committed on meth. That says everything about the drug.

It really is a gateway to hell type of drug. People do really fucked shit while high on it. Just say no to this one.

R59 what are you talkin’ ‘bout this shit is great!

Tina? She's simply the meth!

Methmaker, Methmaker, make me some meth

Find me a find, make my teeth grind.

You’re all just sensationalist fags. I parTy on Friday nights into Saturdays and recover on Sunday. On Monday I’m in my office at 7:00 am and Monday night at 7:00 pm I’m gymming. In fact I gym every week night AND maintain a social life with a few vodka sodas during the week AND perform in the boardroom. My teeth are perfect and my body gets lots of admirers on Fire Island, and I have a great circle of friends and brunch buddies. Stop be alarmists, this helps no one.

Wait, I am confused, isn't this the "Someone stole my Tina Turner Wall Clock" thread?

Sadly, R63, some will not see the irony....

Thanks for starting this thread, OP. It is an important topic and is often overlooked in many communities. Tak a look at this couple. smh

Hello, homeschooled Becky here. Serious inquiry; just how prevalent is meth among gay men? I have never personally known any tweakers or slammers or whatever they are. I wasn’t sentient in the 90s so is this thread a rehashing of those years at circuit parties etc. Thank you for your wisdom and insight.

Decimation only touches the surface in any community.

Meth and theft. Decimation in all communities.

R62 Is that from [italic]Tweaker on the Roof?[/italic]

R27 You do not need drugs. Stop making fucking excuses and take responsibility.

Give me the lot of you drug addicted fuckers for 6 months and I guarantee you'll be clean when I'm finished with you.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in OR next yr, which became 1st state to decriminalize all drugs, incl meth, as well as 'shrooms

R71 my claim said "whether substance based or not".

Everyone has a "drug" addiction. Yours might be the addiction to a need to patronize others.

Read this as Meh/Tina and thought yeah, that’s about right Fey and her henchman Amy Poehler are so overrated.

I friend went home with a guy from a pool party and the guys roommate was still parTying from the night before. Alone. He was covered in his own shit literally fucking himself on the bedpost and the entire place smelled like shit. People are so messed up when they get into Tina. It ruins everyone eventually. Begging, borrowing and whoring to cover their rent and social lives. They don't have to worry about the future because they'll be dead anyway. Sad that people don't value themselves more.

how do you fuck a bed post? that’s stupid, stealth scat post.

How about some ideas for SOLUTIONS to this problem. Everyone on here thinks they are sooooo smart and creative. How the eff do we solve this? And don't be a pussy and say it's just the way it is or you can't fix this.

Most drugs have some sort of cosmic lesson that can be acquired via its consumption - but not meth. All it does is normalize deviancy and criminal behavior and leaves its users in a heightened state of hyper fecundity - which IS kinda fun until it isn't anymore.

Pick up 'Lust, Men & Meth' - probably the best book on the subject.

R63 I loved that. We have those kinda guys over here in Vauxhall & Soho, London.

R77 I have no idea what the answer is. I partied through the 90s & Naughties. We took a couple of pills on a Saturday night, danced the night away, then had our cum downs on Tuesday, then repeated the following weekend. Eventually, I grew out of it. No harm done. Slamming Tina Sparkle, day in, day out, now that's a whole different ball game. I don't know what the answer is tbh.

Isn't there some evidence that cocaine causes parkinsons? Am I the only one who has heard this?

It just goes to show how powerfully addictive this drug is for many people. I know a number of gays who used meth during the naughts (myself included). Most of us stopped without problem.

Two of my friends, however, went down the deep hole of addiction. Thankfully both eventually stopped but it took a decade.

R73 this thread is about drug addiction, and in particular a drug which is highly addictive and inherently destructive.

I'm calling you and other drug users out.

R80, I believe there were certain batches of bad heroin that were linked to a Parkinson’s-like issue.

If coke caused Parkinson’s, all of Hollywood be a-shakin’

I am shocked that there is even the slightest modicum of apathy or indifference (dare I say, taciturn neutrality) in attitudes towards meth here! I can just feel it in this thread. Sometimes you can just tell.

Also, there are some shocking videos on PornHub of all sorts of sea creatures slamming meth and tugging on their obviously very dormant members. How anyone can think it is sexy especially given the KNOWN dangers is absolutely asinine/bonkers.

R80 I’ve always wondered about that in relation to Michael J. fox.

I never equate having great sex, with having to get a needle out and sticking unknown chemicals into my veins.

Maybe by now a decade ago, I was really trying to understand the Meth addiction problem and as a reader I turned to writer David Sheff’s book Beautiful Boy and the one by his son Nic Sheff called Tweak. It’s the same story of the impact of meth addition from two perspectives, the father and the son. It was a good start to grasping the pull of it and how it not only destroys the user, but those around them.

I wish I could say the movie does it well enough, but it’s flaw is it should have been called Tweak and been more about the harrowing experience of the user and a much darker film. It would have been a way better and a more socially important film and you know Timmy would have acted the hell out of it. One such part removed was Nic turning to prostitution to support his habit. If your going to show people down and out, you really need to show how down and out.

[quote]This drug has decimated the gay community.

Tell me about it!

[quote] Jury is still out, but by forcing the dilution of strength to assist the weak, an imbalance occurs and progress is slowed.

That depends on what one sees as "progress".

R83, R86: Yes, Michael J. Fox and Robin Williams. I know there are more. I'm just not sure I believe that coke is harmless. (I had a high school teacher who said heroin was harmless if you could afford the habit.)

R32 per urban dictionary

This elder gay had to look it up too, to clarify that the poster was not somehow referring to a partial circumcision or something.

I guess that it goes along with the beard reference.

[quote] ...brunch buddies

A perfect faggot life IS possible.

I've lost so many pool boys this way.

Thanks, R65. I guess I really am thick.

R93

R80/R91, I’ve heard of it too. It wouldn’t surprise me if it were so. Taking any drug in excess is to be avoided, of course, and taking certain drugs avoided altogether, as we’ve seen.

R51, if you are an eldergay, it was pretty damn stupid to do meth - for the first time at that. Amphetamines are pro-arrhythmic drugs, like cocaine. That is, they tend to cause abnormal heartbeats. This can be dangerous at any age, but it's especially dangerous in people over 50 because so many of them (us) have undiagnosed heart disease.

Like any and all drugs, methamphetamine can either be completely destructive or used seldomly in small doses and cause minimal damage. Also like any drug - the amount used, the frequency of usage and the method of consumption (injection verses inhalation, etc.) all have a huge impact on how destructive the drug could be on a person's health, career and/or relationships. We all know that the rule of thumb is to avoid any drug usage - great advice, but not realistic and frankly not a life that I would have enjoyed. Few of us are this sensible and most of us "dabble" with all sorts of substances throughout our lives - often having minimal long term adverse effects. Gambling is gambling after all - not just with addiction, but also with making terrible choices while under the influence (collateral damage). I don't demonize drug usage at all (I've used most drugs that didn't require a needle at least once) although I may choose to not form close relationships with those who do use drugs on a frequent basis either. This includes alcoholics and potheads who can be just as difficult as any other drug addict - in fact within my own family and social circles, I have observed more issues with these two "legal" groups of abusers than any other. The amount used and the frequency of usage play a huge role here. Many people maintain a well-deserved fear of harder street drugs and therefore use them sparingly while simultaneously viewing legalized or "soft" drugs as being benign. This can often open the door to severe abuse patterns over time. The "drugs" subject is too multifaceted to answer with broad brush responses. I can acknowledge that Fentanyl or an injection of heroin is perhaps too dangerous to try even in "moderate" doses or that cocaine is not likely to cause cardiac arrest in an otherwise healthy, fit, young individual when consumed in "standard" dosage amounts. I know that two glasses of wine a day can have health benefits yet also watched a good friend drink himself out of employment, relationships and into both pancreatitis and cirrhosis while still in his 30s. He still can't kick the addiction even now and has no desire to. My cousin's all day and night marijuana habit left him degreeless after 12 years of college courses, heavily in debt to the tune of $140,000, obese when once a great athlete, unable to hold down part time jobs for any length of time and is currently living back with his parents in the unfinished space above a garage. My friend's meth habit has yet to ruin his employment, but has destroyed his teeth, multiple romantic relationships, his overall health (bizarre medical emergencies, kidney damage and severe social anxiety disorder) and led to a plethora of STDs and other infections. A former friend with a high-level executive job took a liking to opiates and lost his career, significant other, 2 homes, most of his family and ultimately his life when he overdosed at the end of a fast descent. I have more anecdotes - most of us do. I guess my take is that when any of these substances creep into your life and graduate from seldom or "special occasion" to habitual or with any notable frequency - deal with it immediately before you blink an eye and realize that you are no longer able to.

I find junkies and men who climb 8000 metre peaks absolutely fascinating to read about, whilst having no personal attraction to either pursuit beyond the occasional OTC codeine pill. There are similarities between drug addicts and high altitude mountaineers, and about the same percentage end up dead.

The bushes in the park at night DID used to shake with sex, r48!

Alas, now we have Grindr.

I am fascinated by stories of meth users. I see so many on Grindr and it seems like they are alive and well enough to still be in NYC after years and still parTying. Everything I’ve read said that should not be possible - but then people like R63 say it is. I also know people who have done it once or twice. So it doesn’t seem to fit the heroin-type category of “do it once and life is over” drug.

They don't, r56.

They slowly wither away, sell off all their belongings, mooch from and terrorize their loved ones and often die.

That's the problem. It's decimated gay men's health and culture both.

Has the whole concept of “gateway drug” been disproven and exposed as a myth? Especially with the legalization of weed and the sheer volume of people who partake, if it was the case half the population would be on opiates and meth by now. it seems all part of that Nancy Reagan “Just Say NO!” crap, and by the way what drugs was that old bitter bitch on and not saying no to besides astrology?

There are no casual meth users. You are just seeing them at some point in their downward spiral. Don't be fooled by the 'correlation does not equal causation' timeshare spiel at R98. At some point, all ships were a safe distance from the lighthouse on the rocks; then in the middle of the night, the blinding, brilliant light took them by surprise and the terrifying cacophony of the hull being ripped to shreds soon sent them to their watery graves.

It’s no meth, no sex for a lot of the young gays.

r104 is being an extremist.

I know there are a lot more habitual, weekly or daily meth addicts destroying themselves than the casual user.

But there are casual users who only do meth on holidays / circuit parties / special events a few times a year and hold down jobs and good health the rest of the year.

I, myself, only tried meth one weekend 20 years ago. The only benefit seemed to be a neutralization of pain and strain for as long as I wanted. But I absolutely hated the price my body paid for doing it — sore for days and sleeping a whole day to recover. I also hated the scatter-brain effect it had on me. So I tried it that one weekend and never returned. I caution people against it.

There are also daily meth addicts with amazing constitution. I have one fuckbuddy who is a bodybuilder with the healthiest, shredded muscle body and chiseled looks who claims "he loves meth" and has been doing it at least every week for 10 years. He's fucking gorgeous, hot, hydrated and muscular still — god-like genetics on that guy. Everyone else I know doing meth that much lost their faces, bodies and teeth. But muscle god muscles on like the Honey Badger. It's amazing.

Another fuckbuddy does meth every week and he has lost his upper body strength and has the strung-out face. He doesn't exercise and he is a trust-funder who doesn't have to work. But somehow, he's still going strong for the 5 years I've known him.

So some people's constitution is more durable than others and some people are above the need to hold jobs.

So, are all fuck buddies meth users? Is that why I never had one?

R106 I find your post interesting to read but respectfully, as I think most on here would (hopefully) agree - your experience (if true) is not the norm or reality for most people who use meth. That's the truth. I understand that you have people you care about who abuse meth and you yourself have tried it but this drug is a scourge and it's strange for me to be defending a hard anti-meth stance. Clown world.

No, r107.

But the problem is that men free from meth on the apps is getting really hard to come by.

But I told r108 that the vast majority of habitual meth users I know have lost their looks and health to meth and I know a lot more horror stories of people getting hospitalized / arrested / bankrupt/ dying from meth than my two fuckbuddies' stories, or casual user stories.

What’s weird to me is that Chaturbate has hash tags for #party and they all talk about being spun and clouds, which I didn’t even know referenced meth until I started watching last year. It’s so strange how public, promoting on the apps as well, people are about their involvement in it.

R109 But the problem is that men free from meth on the apps is getting really hard to come by.

I've thought from a distance that these apps are problematic, but if this is true I'm absolutely convinced of it.

^^ Should have used quote function instead of reply reference.

Meth is a velvet gloved murderer. She’s a temptress that appears and starts as a way to spice up your sex life. I was a crystal meth addict for over 15 years and have been sober for a decade now. Here’s the indicators you may have a problem with meth-

1. You miss or call out more than 3 shifts a month from your job 2. You reallocate time/money/expenses to use the drug more than once a month. 3. You’ve hallucinated or had health situations that made you go to the ER. 4. You spend more time recuperating, agonizing or full of regret than actually having fun. 5. You ‘ve caught an STD while high. 6. You’ve cancelled family or friend obligations because you’re high or recuperating.

But, see, not unlike like Trump, (if you’re a selfish, ego-driven attention and pleasure junkie) you could explain away any and all these indicators easily with self serving excuses until you run out of money, lose your job or your health.

THIS is why meth is so insidious. It starts with a gorgeous guy offering it to you then you wind up chasing into a roomful of aging elder gay fatties.

one plus is that some meth heads are so desperate for a fuck that they aren’t choosy so they’ll let a fat elder, Asian twink, short Latino day laborer, or homeless black thug fuck them. More holes to fuck!

Alas, there’s also crabs, STDs, and HIV that comes with it

R114.... at a Days Inn on the side of town you never dreamed of being in.

Pornhub was just shamed by the press into taking down rape and underage porn videos (thankfully). But there are plenty of videos up there of people slamming and smoking meth while engaging in sex. Isn't that also illegal?

R80, contaminated Angel’s Dust (phencylidine) caused Parkinson’s. It was a contamination due to an amateur synthesis gone wrong and it was 40 years ago.

I did Angel Dust once, was fooled into it, laced into hash. Fuck, it was an intense and fucked up high.

I think that this is one of the most informative and respectful threads I've read in a while.

[quote] I've lost so many pool boys this way.

Well I hope you find them soon, Jerry. That pool isn’t going to close itself.

[quote] these apps are problematic,

*eyeroll*

You type frau.

I'm intrigued by this thread, not because some see so "surprised" by the evil consequences meth can cause, but that after decades of knowing the risks involved, more and more succumb to it.

How rampant is it really? How many young frisky active gay boys are hooked - let's say out of 100? How many street people out of 100 are meth heads? Is the problem worse this coming decade than the 90s? Or the 2010s?

[quote]Like any and all drugs, methamphetamine can either be completely destructive or used seldomly in small doses and cause minimal damage.

R106 This is apologist-speak. That is what I was addressing.

If everyone turns into a methhead in OR, we'll have our answer.

I always wondered what happened to her when [italic]Family Ties[/italic] was canceled.

How does the sex curve work with meth? Do you get horny up to a point, and then become flaccid and worthless? Or how do some people fuck for days?

R127 you’re horny the whole time you’re high and playing with your flaccid dick feels like heaven. People take viagra to get it up.

R127 and R128 Whether or not tugging on that flaccid dick feels good, I feel like ejaculation/orgasm is nonexistent due to chemical inhibition. Is this correct?

R129 you can achieve this by shoving anything you can get hold of into your ass, including, it appears, bed posts.

I’m not putting my chewing gum on THAT bed post. Not only will it lose its flavor, it’ll pick up others.

You can't continue to use Meth and survive. Every single person whose life has been ruined thought they could. ParTy buddies at a similar place on the downward spiral help normalize it. You will lose. Having fun and being gay doesn't mean you have to be an idiot. Look deeper at the people around you guys, are they what you really want out of life.

Words of wisdom R123

I got invited to a sex party a couple of years ago and when I arrived the guys there were all on it. My god, their gurning faces were horrid. I made my excuses and left immediately.

Being on meth makes you want to have sex continuously. Nothing satisfies. You want more and more and will to wilder things to try to sexually satisfy yourself—cock after cock...it’s never enough.

Then you stop and for the next week you feel absolutely awful—

I'm at a stage in my life where even getting drunk at a bar seems like more trouble than its worth so hard drugs like cociane, meth, heroine are a big NO for me since they are more addictive. In a way, it is easier for me to stay away from all drugs and alcohol.

Not everybody gets "crystal dick," r127. It all depends on the individual's biology. Some meth users stay rock-hard; some meth users use Viagra, etc.

But for many gay men (most?), meth kills the boner and leaves them with a mushy, semi-erect dick. That's why I hear it referenced as a "power bottom's drug," because it enables somebody to take dick after dick without batting an eye but it sucks for topping.

Then there are the people who actually enjoy "crystal dick:"

Just say NO!

Meth users can still ejaculate.

The trouble is, the longer they're on it, the more times they cum, so they empty their balls and start shooting blanks.

Do they have to take the Viagra first before the Tina?

'So it doesn’t seem to fit the heroin-type category of “do it once and life is over” drug'

I have a friend who is a doctor and he doses himself up with medical grade heroin every Saturday night instead of getting drunk. He watches TV, enjoys the high and then enjoys a very long sleep. Nothing else until the next Saturday.

It's because of adderall and painkiller abuse is why meth and heroin are drugs of choice. Of course meth is the go too for many circuit gays for years! They're just now more unabashedly vocal about their use. I mean SlamRush is a mainstream gay porn site. Yes mainstream and advertised to gay men. That's ridiculous.

R141 I feel that this could be reason to revoke his medical license. Where does he get this medical-grade heroin?

Men becomes slutty on meth. Tops become bottoms.

[QUOTE] short Latino day laborer,

Are you a Klan Granny? Your post is racist. What about an ugly white man with a pigeon chest and a weak chin and receding hairline, like you?

Do you need to get hard first with Viagra or Cialis say, THEN shoot up with Meth, or the other way around?

I’m not a psychologist, but I’ve lived in big cities my entire life and have never met druggies who were happy and well-rounded people. If they are well-educated and well-off, they are usually trapped in high-status, but stressful jobs that they secretly hate.

R145 is triggered and has stated her boundaries.

on Tumblr, there are countless gay-meth-SATAN accounts. Satanic trends. How does THAT happen?

The ones that get in Satanism also get into scat. Totally true.

I think this is a great and thoughtful discussion. It is clear that meth is one of the biggest if not THE biggest threats to the gay community and to gay culture. Everybody I have met who took meth was deeply troubled by it afterwards, and not only when they were crashing, because they have all done things that they would never do otherwise. They lost their integrity and they knew it. Unfortunately, one way to deal with this is to say "fuck it" and go off the deep end. Which is exactly what meth wants you to do.

If you only lose your integrity while doing meth, you were lucky. It's common to lose one's job, one's apartment, one's health, and a few hundred thousand dollars on fraudulently obtained credit cards.

I'm a retired attorney and have helped many recovering addicts through the bankruptcy process. If you don't value anything else, at least value your money. Meth will take it all.

Thanks 152. Also, I find the "you will loose your teeth and get bad skin" scares silly and a bit counter-productive. That only happens when you are in the final phase of the downward spiral (or lead a hard life otherwise). Heavy meth users the gay community can come across as healthy and attractive when they are sober and young - until it is too late.

Thanks R152. Also, I find the "you will loose your teeth and get bad skin" scares silly and a bit counter-productive. That only happens when you are in the final phase of the downward spiral (or lead a hard life otherwise). Heavy meth users the gay community can come across as healthy and attractive when they are sober and young - until it is too late.

Back to the original question of the OP. I don't think it is paranoid to assume that the influx of meth is secretly tolerated by governments that want to harm the U.S. It's payback for the Opium Wars. They need to be called out.

The active ingredient to the drug trade is the involvement of law enforcement. How do you think cops pay for their vacation homes and their boats on a cop's salary? They make a lot of money selling protection to drug dealers. The War on Drugs is nothing but a 'get rich quick' scheme that enriches cops selling protection and politicians seeking campaign donations. We never win the fucking 'war' because too many people make too much money on the drug trade.

I agree R156, we won't win it. But what is the alternative? Do yo really think that decriminalizing Meth would make minority communities, poor white communities, poor communities anywhere, the gay community for that matter, stronger and happier? It would create millions of zombies who just linger along, unable to build, create, relate, hold responsibilities. Like the Opium Wars did to China.

[quote] Do yo really think that decriminalizing Meth would make minority communities, poor white communities, poor communities anywhere, the gay community for that matter, stronger and happier?

It's not a question of whether I think that or not. You said it. Not me.

I think that removing the inevitable drug trade from the control of organized crime and corrupt law enforcement and politicians is an enormous win for our country and its citizens. At a minimum, the drugs people buy would be clean. They would be safer. We would know the production chain and the purity of the drugs. They would not be cut with... you fill in the blank. There is no good way to know what you're getting when you buy drugs off the street. There is no reason for us to make this problem worse for everyone when we can so easily make it better and more easily manageable, thereby limiting the enormous damage it causes. Control the production and the distribution. Do not give it over wholesale to organized crime. Why do we do this? There is no good reason for doing so. Only corrupt reasons.

I do not advocate encouraging drug use, just as I do not advocate encouraging women to have abortions. But when people choose either thing, drug use or abortion, we should not use the law to make the experience worse for everyone involved when we already know how to make it cleaner and safer and, therefore, better for everyone. It's utterly stupid to do otherwise.

R114, it's 1, 4 and 6 for me... and that's with coke, not meth. Thanks for that wake up call.

Our brain is designed to chase pleasure. These happiness pills are a lot more dangerous than we realize. Tv/internet/junk food /sexs also bad. To be sane you have to avoid this crap.

Wrong, r154.

A year of bi-weekly meth use and the looks/health of most people aee shot.

R161, I think many do this on a bimonthly or semiannual basis and think they can manage - until the find themselves on a runaway train.

R114 here again. Even casual meth use dialates and constricts blood vessels dangerously, takes a toll on your liver and kidneys, speeds your metabolism and recklessly burns fat, cartilage and body tissue that you wouldn’t normally do with even with extreme weight loss programs. I lost the “baby fat” collagen in my face and never gained it back. Even early on in my years of use I believe I damaged my knee cartilage and have had difficulty with my knee joints feeling “glassy” when I walk up stairs or have to kneel. I also have spinners in my eyes and sensitivity in a few of my teeth from smoking crystal. I got off easy though- so many people I knew still struggle with addiction even years later.

I once walked into a NYC Crystal Meth Anonymous meeting with four years sobriety and literally every other fellow I had come in with originally was counting days. That’s when I realized how serious meth is. A LOT of gays don’t just partake of the drug, but have embraced the sex and culture that comes with meth use and its very hard to break out of it’s orbit. At another meeting it struck me that meth addiction in the gay community is rampant because we are a lonely bunch- there’s very little else holding us together except drugs and bars.

[quote] you will loose your teeth and get bad skin" scares silly

Oh, dear!

Why, never heard of loose teeth, R164?

R165, meth users grind their teeth and the chemicals from smoking it erode filling and the enamel- creating pockets of cavities under the gum line as well. You also aren’t exactly paying attention to dental hygiene if you’re binging for several days at a time.

Of course, r165, but that’s not what the sentence said.

Tina always was a little uptight. My kids call her a bitch.

[quote] At another meeting it struck me that meth addiction in the gay community is rampant because we are a lonely bunch- there’s very little else holding us together except drugs and bars.

Very true. It's hard to do meth when you are partnered and have a family or have a ton of friends who are constantly checking in on you.

When you live alone and basically live a lonely life, there is nothing stopping you

[Quote] meth users grind their teeth and the chemicals from smoking it erode filling and the enamel- creating pockets of cavities under the gum line as well

A friend of mine who had a meth problem a decade ago said that, when he went to his dentist, the dentist said, "Your teeth look like you're a crack user, for some reason"--never believing that my friend could do drugs

I have used it about 20 times in my life. It is a powerful drug and sex on it, and having group sex, is amazing it is. I set some ground rules for myself. I only did it when I was out of town on business, and only on the last night. And I never pushed it too far on an app. If something didn't happen quickly, I let it go, and didn't try, and went to sleep. I never let myself do this more than 4 times a year, and never within the same 2 month period. It's been at least a year, and I'm not sure I"ll ever do it again, but those sex nights remain unforgettable and powerful. I would take me at least a week to recover fully, and that became really annoying after awhile. I also just past 50, so I don't think there will be much interest in my type anymore. It's mostly guys in their 20s/30s....I've wondered if this has had any permanent impact on my brain. I don't get cravings, and I don't do pot or rarely drink. I have always been very aware how dangerous it is, and I've lived by forced moderation, because I was capable of that. I've had friends who couldn't do that, and literally wrecked their lives. And at the end of the day, if you haven't tried it, don't.

R171, sounds very close to what I do.

Placing parameters around it (like being forced to stop at at certain time) makes it somewhat manageable, but the following week is still a bitch. I also limit it to out of town and do it only 1 or 2 time a year. The big problem is the sex on it so intense that it's tough to have sex without it.

don’t be a meth apologist R154. It can happen sooner than that, it depends on how the meth is cooked and what wants to leach to the skins surface.

Meth is a terrible, life altering, disfiguring drug. No one HAS to get HIV these days, yet the parTiers all seem to.

just say no R172. You’re crazy.

R171, R172, how often do you think about it? All the time? Do you believe that you will ever have such amazing sex without the drug? If not are hooked.

and most importantly how hot are you, R172?

What exactly is intense about sex on meth?

r171 & r172, thanks for honesty. Do you think that by "controlling" your partying, you rationalize your infrequent use? Also, what are your thoughts if that 1 more time leads to cardiac arrhythmia (and potential trip to ER) or similar mishap? Food for thought but I have ex in gay group therapy, who said participants echo the same thing bout intensity. A key to friend's treatment has been trigger behavior avoidance and breaking meth-sex link. Anyhoo, there's alot of help out there . . . if you want it

Ashamedly (is that a word?), I've probably taken advantage of many a hot muscle dude who was likely under the influence. It was a way to aggressively pound a craving gym boy bottom that while high, couldn't get enough. In the moment, a win-win. Not proud.

R178, I don't rationalize it because I don't judge it. I do know that it can get out of hand so I place strong parameters around it. I known people for whom addiction was a spiral of doom. I don't think my use will get to that, but parameters force it to not even get close.

Sex is intense -- the ravenous need to satisfy an itch is the dominant feeling. No scratch is good enough for the itch so you scratch and scratch and scratch. It's interesting that when I watch chem porn sex on the web, it looks so boring. The participants feel the intensity but anyone watching must just see weird behavior--on and off and on and off.

Thankfully, I've noted meth feeling weaker and weaker (could be either the meth itself is weaker or it just feels weaker to me because of my history), so all the effort may not seem worth it. Plus, you tend to meet lots of very sketchy people.

I look and feel fine. I haven't lost any teeth.

I’m glad to have experienced meth because I became sober because of it. When you get sober, no matter how bleak or uncomfortable life becomes, you learn how to handle life on life’s terms (mostly). My life spiraled completely out of control and my priorities were askew and dillusional. I also learned that a LOT of my self validation had to do with others liking me and often I was barking up the wrong trees- with relationships, work efforts and how I conducted myself. I was never happy, chasing happiness through other people I wanted to be rather than discovering it inside myself. THIS is the perfect storm for meth addiction because it’s one of the (if not the strongest) drugs that gives immediate release, flooding endorphins and creating a synthetically infused nirvana in your brain stem.

It took time to repair my life, my health and some of the consequences of my recreational meth use cast long shadows. I won’t use again because I spent half my life covering up my use and keeping things secret, it was such a sad and dark time of my life. Please, if anyone is struggling, check out Crystal Meth Anonymous, it worked for me.

R171 here...I have a pretty good sense of my own body (I'm do cardio every other day) so I know when it may be approaching too much. I still jerk off every day, so it hasn't killed my desire. It's sort of like climbing a mountain. You know you can't live on Everest, but its thrilling to go there every once in awhile. I also have a rule that I don't know any dealers and I don't directly buy. I will help someone else pay, and they provide. That provides a natural buffer, and again, often leads to nights where I may set out to play, but then can't. That's fine.

There's two parts to the solution

1) Legalise the safer alternatives - weed, ecstasy, MDMA etc anything that isnt destructive and addictive, so they are relatively easy to get

2) Like any product, ,meth needs manufacturers, distributors and marketers. Kill the manufacturing, marketing and distribution channels and networks for meth - and that may mean literal killing - make it so difficult and dangerous to make, sell and distribute that it just isnt worth the risk.

There is a big meth problem in my country, and the gangs are the manufacturers, distributors and marketers here. Crushing them would have multiple social benefits, not just meth reduction. They are a scourge here. Everything from child abuse to car theft, the gangs are involved

You need to do both options 1) which takes away the vast bulk of the market and 2) exterminate the marketers

R183 Interesting, where are you from if I may ask?

Why does this drug seem to be one predominantly used by men? Is there something about males that make them more susceptible and addicted.

It’s not, r185.

There are plenty of women meth addicts.

Especially in the Pacific Northwest.

R185 Go to YouTube and watch some tweaker compilations. There is definitely a wide array of men and women of different types and ages. Ms. Tina has no hangups about sex, race, or how many teeth you have.

I feel very sorry for you, r183 in places like the border towns of Mexico.

It would be one thing if they just went about their business without interfering with society at large. But they completely corrupt and crush the government, the townspeople and start rackets on everything. It's an atrocity.

Keeping the hard drugs illegal just keeps the gangs in power. I wish Mexico and the U.S. would just make all drugs legal and kill the fucking gangsters completely lording over towns like that.

Meth is a BIG deal to working class white women.

They do it at work and for home-making.

R189, the wives take meth to stay thin, quickly do house work, and fuck their husbands like a whore

Meth is like Pandora’s box. But I’ll say this - alcohol is just as insidious, it just kills slower.

R171 I have found its the opposite here in London, in that I've had jocks n twinks, I'm 50, messaging me for H&H (horny and high) meth sex. It's quite normal to see a lot of profiles say 'No H&H' so they hit up older guys instead.

Wow, I’ve never heard that expression.

Here in the States it’s referred to as PNP (Party N [and] Play).

[quote]I've wondered if this has had any permanent impact on my brain

Given the grammatical mistakes/structure of your paragraph and your tedious traipsing around the bush (are you convincing us or yourself?) reasoning - yes, you have permanent brain damage.

R171 ^^ R194 meant for you.

R193 Yes, It took me some time to figure out what PnP was, she I first saw it on Grindr. I thought it was 'post and packing'!

Over this side of the pond it's HnH with references to parTying popping up too. Here's a subtle ad:

'DiscreeT meeT

LeT's see where The chemisTry Takes us.'

We also get the 💎 emoji popping up too. That usually means they're a sex worker, but it can also mean Crystal sparkle too.

also “blowing clouds” or “cloudz”

When meth addiction progressives, trying to get that same high, gays snort, then smoke, then booty bump, then inject.

Once injection starts, it so tough to stop.

i do meth every day and i'm fine stop bein dramatic

R184 New Zealand. Its a major scourge here. I've lost two friends to it

Here it is called P, but a rose by any other name fucks up just as many lives

R191 you are right about alcohol, that is pretty insidious too. Ex was an alcoholic

R199 you're a fuckwit. ... but you havent long to live so .....

Being a crystal meth addict was a lonely life. I remember sitting at a bus stop, begging and pleading God to stop using and ten years later walking out sober and sitting at same bus stop marveling that I actually made it. It’s very unlikely you can stop on your own, I thought about using every single day when I tried. It was tormenting. Not everyone that uses crystal is an addict, but every addict that uses crystal is a crystal meth addict. I can spot one no matter how careful they hide it. I was real good at hiding my active use and cleaned up nice, but people could tell something was wrong, and I shirked responsibilities at work that curbed any potential for advancement.

For me, it was like something cracked in my world when I first tried it, I loved it and knew it was going to get me in trouble. Then there were years I didn’t care. I fell into abusive relationships, lost good friendships and caused irreparable damage to my career that sent me on a different route. Looking at my life you could say I wasted fifteen years of my youth, but I’d argue some of life’s lessons take longer to achieve. I used only on weekends, never injected, was able to stop mondays but even then my life was in tatters when I hit bottom.

I quit because my life had become very small and beneath any shred of dignity. I was sleeping with people to use the drug, didn’t have money to do anything or dress nice, and had my finances propped up all wrong, I remember overdrafting accounts, having to sell my laptop to make rent, etc.

My life sober the past ten years couldn’t be any different. The first three years were the hardest because its all about practicing a life you never had to. The second three years I repaired my health, finances and living situation. The last 4-5 years I’ve enjoyed getting married, settling down and taking on the responsibility managing people and buckling down with a job I love and hope to enjoy another 20 until I retire. It truly is a life beyond my wildest dreams, but it unfolded a certain way because of my addiction.

Everyone has a path in life. It is every addict’s birthright to get sober.

stop meth shaming R201

[quote] For me, it was like something cracked in my world when I first tried it, I loved it and knew it was going to get me in trouble.

This is precisely why I’ve never tried drugs other than pot. I know if I like something, a little bit will never be enough.

Thanks for sharing your experience, Sage.

Life is painful but drugs make it ten times worse. Killing addicts might be the solution. Bury them alive.

I never realized how many of you eldergays were hardcore tweaker/tina slammer/PnP sluts! Goodness gracious.

Stop whore sleeping with people for drugs shaming!

R206 Right?! So stunning and brave. All young, impressionable people should have a mandatory mentorship with a TinasluT with lessons on getting spun and stripping copper from various sources.

[R201] Elder Sage, I’m so glad you made it. What hobbies/activities/spiritual practices helped you? The only thing I’ve been addicted to was cigarettes, which was hard enough to quit, can’t imagine meth.

I hope that all of you who know you need help with this battle seek that help soon. As the saying goes, "You don't have to see the entire staircase or where it leads - just take that first step!" We love you!

R201, I'm so glad you made it, and I'm equally glad that you say at that bus stop calling on God, because It surely lives!

I hope that all will be continuously well for you all soon. God bless you with the strength, fortitude, and resolve to make that necessary change! ☺

Years ago, I met a guy who used it often, more than a few times a week.

He said he hardly feels anything at all when he took it. Instead it just brought him to baseline.

Lol at the memory of gaunt bottoms with flaccid meth cocks. It’s like a dress code in Daytona Beach, FL.

With meth, you need another strong drug to come down and sleep so many people also develop an addiction to high doses of benzos like Valium and Xanax. These are even harder than meth to kick. You have to be on a gradually tapered, doctor administered programme for about six months. If you try to cold turkey you have a high chance of a seizure and brain death. This doesn't happen when cold turkeying off meth or even heroin.

The reality is the power of Meth is SO strong that few people can really handle it, and it destroys most. Don't do it. The numbers are against you.

All the best bottoms are spun.

R214 you spin me baby right round, like a record baby....

R212 I didnt know that, but it stands to reason.

[quote]R184 New Zealand. Its a major scourge here. I've lost two friends to it

Why did your two deceased friends start using, v8fairy?

R217 i really dont know. One had a very good career, all down the toilet cos of meth, he was big into the BDSM scene and I think thats where he got hooked into it. Other one got hooked on it through his boyfriend who was a complete piece of shit

New Zealand likes bragging about how well it's dealt with covid compared to the UK/US, yet it's been ravaged by meth whereas people in London and New York stick to cocaine and MDMA. I wonder why that is. Anyone?

This from 2013

I don't know her.

R220 How things change in such a short space of time.

[quote] yet it's been ravaged by meth whereas people in London and New York stick to cocaine and MDMA.

Um, have you been to NY and London? Lots of meth

It has probably gotten much worse with the Corona-crisis.

R219 gangs. They have been allowed to run wild here and are the suppliers of the vast bulk of the meth. Dont know if its the same in the USA?

In the US its now mostly Mexican cartels (and their Chinese suppliers). The old Biker meth is largely gone, as is the homemade stuff.

The older stuff was better

That's why we should not legalize meth.

It seems to me that over the years, there's been a trend to develop stronger drugs.

Back in the day, we were happy to do a couple of ecstasy, a line of coke or a speed bomb. Now, jacking up this shit or smoking the strongest cannabis seems to be the flavour of the month.

R228 how tragic. 5 separate families in agony this holiday season and yet there is still thinly-veiled meth apology discourse in this thread. Fuck tweakers.

R228/ R230 exactly. Legalise cannabis for sure, along with ecstasy , LSD, mushrooms and others that arent too harmful. But meth really is on a totally different level for the social harm it causes

[R231] Why doesn’t the New Zealand government crackdown on the gangs there?

I don’t envy the casual meth user.

It’s a flaky, wildly unpredictable world where people don’t appear to be what they portray, there’s a lot of grifting and hangers on in the culture. I knew wealthy “weekend warrior” type tweakers that were able to move work scheduling around to accommodate recuperating from the drug, or they worked for themselves so no one knew. The longer you take the drug, sex becomes darker and more twisted. I knew people that could use once a month, etc. but it was extremely rare. That’s something I tried to do for 15 years and failed miserably- or maybe succeeded for a decade?- before sliding into 5 years of actively using hell. I couldn’t stop each weekend and it absolutely consumed my sex drive- I couldn’t have sex without it.

I would feel terrible introducing the drug to another person for the first time- and am pretty sure I never did. It was fine at the time for me to say I didn’t have a problem with meth yet but I KNEW it was an extremely addictive drug so the people I partook with HAD to already have experience with it. I’ve had sex partners hallucinate, become violent, have seizures, and insist I was stealing or “out to get them”. I had a female friend get permanent brain damage where she thought a bunch of club people were following her around and infiltrating the music she heard in supermarkets and restaurants, calling her “loser”. This was happening years after she quit. If you still want to do the drug after dealing with all the drama that comes with it, hooray for you.

R232 I dont know. I wish they would! As do many other NZers

Meth memoirs can be fun. I like Tweak by Nic Shef.

I appreciate your post R233 but what’s the Dorian Corey connection?

I get twerking and twerking mixed up

R228, while meth is responsible for lots of suffering and death, alcohol causes multitudes more.

If we're going to go down that path, we should ban alcohol

We tried that once. It didn’t work out well.

R230, nobody is advocating meth use in this thread. There are a few posts - one by me - where we engage in Datalounge sarcasm.

Nobody much is advocating legalization of meth. Only a few places have legalized it, such as Oregon, Italy, Portugal. It's difficult to compare drugs policy among these places. In Oregon, which is a bizarre impoverished Deliverance state with a couple liberal enclaves, drugs legalization is likely for reducing policing and incarceration costs. Legalization only makes sense alongside a strong system of addiction treatment. But Oregon doesn't have very good public health services.

Gay Pothead here. People who choose meth in that capacity chose that lifestyle. It’s tragedy but life isn’t always fair. Same thing with bug chasers. All tragedy and attention.

Just get an Adderall prescription and go on. At least that’s legal.

Are you high, R237? Do you mean Twerking and Tweaking?

R231, based on that chart, alcohol should be criminalized too. But that will never happen.

R236

You can get amphetamine style slimming pills called Phentermine (very similar to Adderall) at private walk in clinics in London, for about £50 for 30 pills. These give you a gorgeous, smooth high with none of the aggression of Meth. They perk up your libido without turning you into a sex maniac, and kill your appetite for food. I lost 30 lbs in six weeks on them. Combine with over the counter Solpadeine Max (each tablet contains 13mg of codeine) for a more swoony high.

Thank You R10 !!!! I laughed so loud my 91-year-old aunt woke up in her recliner and spilled her Campbells Chicken and Stars Soup all over herself and the floor. She then cursed at my cat who was opportunistic and began licking the soup off the floor. My quarantine life is full of joy and surprises such as this !!!

I don’t get it R10/R246

R243 Never happen? You do realize it already has happened in this country?

"The Meth/Tina Thread...How do we fight against this?"

A can of Bon-Ami, a wire hanger and some "tough love" would be a good start.

If you ask me, addiction was the best thing that ever happened to me. When I finally bottomed, I t caused me to reconsider my entire life and what makes me happy. I also made a spiritual connection with other fellows and have an outlet with meetings to stay connected. None of this was true when I was out there as a lonely, discontent gay man. I also know there are many out there that walk this Earth their entire lives without realizing there’s another way to live. I’ve slept with half of them, Mary!

Recovering from addiction, ANY addiction, you have to rely on other people, insight and allow another set of principles into your life. It was all very foreign at first. I didn’t and still don’t agree with certain 12 Step programs but it worked for me. I walked through a series of realizations that transformed my attitude, was able to forgive resentments I’ve been carrying since I was a child, and most importantly have deeper, more meaniful relationships with others.

It’s not helpful to call someone else an addict. The true pivotal moment only occurs when they themselves admit they’re an addict.

"When I finally bottomed"

Sorry R250, it took me a few times re-reading that to understand your meaning. LOL I now understand it to mean when you finally "hit bottom". Good post. It's interesting how different vices are just more addictive to different people. I've tried a lot of drugs, but the severe hangovers (basically all of the uppers - coke, MDMA, meth) or just unpleasant effects (pot, hash, etc.) kept me from wanting them very often and still do. Alcohol, on the other hand, snuck into my life nightly and basically all day and all night on the weekends. I couldn't control myself and I couldn't cut back - so one day I decided that was that and I quit all together. It was the only way that I could figure out to keep it in check and not drink myself into a failed career and failed relationships. The first weeks were brutal and the first months irritating. The lack of "celebration" with friends when they were all partaking and I wasn't was grating. After a good 6 months it was out of my system and I finally stopped craving it. Time heals all as they say. It still amazes me these days to have a top shelf bottles of booze in my house that last for years (as I don't drink anymore at all and only keep them for friends). Lots of money saved too; it's startling actually.

Thanks R251. I admire people like you. Others in my fellowship would say you’re just “white knuckling it”, but I know people like you that just decided to put it down one day and never picked up again. We live in a society today that is much different than when I got sober almost 20 years ago- people are quick to judge on both sides, there are a lot more doctors, therapy and prescriptions for addiction, and I feel the last thing a junkie needs is too many options.

There is also a mentality allowing rampant drug use that we should not shame addicts- but it’s my experience without interventionist will winnow down their choices later in life and people die if there are no sharp consequences that keep them from falling off a cliff. Newcomers have grouped together in AA meetings and shame the elders for their perceived shortcomings- this won’t end well for anyone. The most appalling thing I came across was an article “Everything You Thought About Addiction Is Wrong” that upended 12 Step Program approach and was written not by a doctor or professional but an author of beauty articles.

If I had seen that as a newcomer when I hit bottom I would’ve never gone into a meeting and would probably be dead.

Once you had sex whilst on tina, you can’t go back to ‘normal’ sex

Blessed be the eldergays, e.g R249 / R10 , who associate Tina with the Crawford daughter.

R253, this perception is on of the biggest hurdles for quitting. But is it really true? I had a friend who quit sex for a year but came back and is now happily partnered. And what he quit was degrading nasty sex.

Nothing, OP. Drugs should all be legal. Human existence is going to become more nasty, brutish, and short over the next 50-100 years or so; the temperature rise has probably already crossed the point of no return, which means things are going to decline precipitously as the cascade effects and feedback loops become more destructive.

Let people at least zone out and not have to contemplate their inevitable demise for a bit. Merry Christmas!

R256 is the Catastrophe Troll.

[quote] When I finally bottomed, I t caused me to reconsider my entire life and what makes me happy.

Oooooh, he must’ve been one helluva top to do that!

You have his number by chance?

Honestly sex should NEVER be so important that it’s a reason for anything. When people say “sex is never the same”, it sounds like sex addiction as much as meth addiction. When I look back on my life, chasing sex was a huge waste of time and energy. Not as bad as a physical drug like meth - but as distracting from finding true happiness.

I never bottomed before I took meth. So I guess I'm thankful it opened that sexual door for me...

R259, physiological changes occur in the brains and bodies of people who do meth. Particularly to the nervous system. It gets overstimulated. The brain's various hormone receptors and producers get fucked up. One of the main symptoms of this is lack of interest in pleasurable activities. It's not merely an opinion; it's changes to the body.

Meth abuse results in anhedonia, the inability to experience joy.

'Meth abuse results in anhedonia, the inability to experience joy.'

Yep, you just wear down the receptors in your brain. Crack is the same. Heroin overworks endorphins so that when you finally get clean, every pain hurts more than it should because your body isn't used to producing endorphins off its own bat without the trigger of an opiate. It has to be retrained.

There’s a big difference between using meth and meth abuse. And no, not every meth user is a hardcore addict.

Some try it and find it easy to either use it rarely or never again. A small percentage have such a strong physical reaction that it becomes a necessity, an addiction.

R264 Since no one knows their addictive proclivity why risk even trying it ?

From one who uses it only very casually -- 3, 4 times annually, if that -- I actually agree that if you have not tried it, don't.

You start out with using very casually, the something bad happens in your life, say a bad breakup, and you go off the deep end. You ability to make the right decisions is impaired. Stay off that shit, gurls.

I just am grateful we have some brave DLers here who spoke up. Anyone can say “don’t do it,” but very few can say ,”don’t do it. And I’ll tell you why....”

I am grateful to those DLers.

I remember a documentary about meth addiction but in the rural poorer areas of states not in the gay community, but they interviewed a woman who went to the hospital for either withdrawal or overdose and when she told a nurse there what drug she was using the nurse basically said she was sorry to hear that because no one ever got off it.

If you have been a cigarette smoker and found it easy to kick the habit, or found alcohol easy to give up, chances are you don't have the addiction gene and could try meth and not become a craven junkie. There are people on here who are testament to that.

I think it can be easy to get into it, especially if you have Grindr hook up, that you go visit, have a great time, and they say to you, "I've got some great stuff for you to try".

I ran with an educated group of professional gay men in 2000-2010 in Chicago. I'd see guys fall by the wayside over Meth. It happened a lot. I'd be at a weekend party and some guys would be using. I never did. Then I'd hear that two of them are dead and no one would ever say how they died. "Oh he had a heart attack or I think maybe he killed himself. " Saw a good friend lose his job, his home, his 401K, his non-Meth friends and his family. Not idea if he's alive or dead at this point as I moved away years ago. No matter how many times we told him to stop, he lied and lied and lied and lied. Really hurt the people around he and his boyfriend (who introduced him to meth). Sad to see lives go down the drain over a good fuck.

Informative stats. Shocking to see the number of people that never recover. If you think you can play around with Meth and remain unscathed, please read.

Weekend party?

R273, yes the numbers are sobering but they are about recovering from meth addiction—so people who are pretty far gone with meth have a very hard time recovering

R274 I admit that was unclear and awkward sounding. I remember we would go places like Saugatuck or Douglas MI for the weekend as some of these guys had second homes there. They'd work during the week in Chicago and then drive to Michigan for the weekend. Wish we had remote working then like we do now. At any rate, they start bringing these guys and tina out there and it wasn't pretty.

No lie, I had no interest in doing it until Andre Agassi put out his biography and made it sound so good. Instant energy and you become a cleaning maniac and change the bed sheets, sign me up!

Gays are especially geared for meth addiction because the drug curbs appetite , keeps you thin, allows you to have incredible sex for hours or days, and we don’t have any children, wife or familial or financial obligations like straights do.

I have seen a friend going down the drain due to meth. Cute nerd , partnered, on the rise in academia, published in “Science”. Fast-forward 5 years, he looks like he aged for 20, he can’t read a book or enjoy anything that brought him satisfaction previously, almost lost his position, wasn’t promoted, lives alone. The good news is he got out just in time and seems sober but it’s a long hard road to recovery.

I grew up with alcoholics on both sides of my family and knew that wasn’t for me. I think my personality also played a part because I’ve never touched any drug and have had maybe 10 drinks in my entire life and I didn’t finish any of them. I’ve never had a craving or an interest and never felt like I needed drugs or that they would make my life better.

As a gay man I think it’s been very hard to fit in and find community and I sometimes wish I had been more ‘normal’. I wish I was the type of person who loves to go to the club and do drugs because in my early 20s I was ditched by a lot of friends as soon as they realised I was not going to party. I feel like other gays like me are probably also at home and are less likely to be on apps so we don’t find each other and feel isolated.

I should start posting anonymous pics of guys I know who I suspect are on meth and ask if you think they are or not

[quote] and we don’t have any...financial obligations like straights do.

We don’t?

R281 Do it!

Meth was everywhere in the naughts.

While I see it occasionally now, I don’t see it anywhere near what I used to.

And in the naughts, it was accepted for a long time until we started understanding the damage it was doing to people

R280 Honestly good for you. You didn't miss a damn thing your more drugged out friends did. Your body is healthier and remember more. I run with a fast crowd for a while but do glad I don't play that game any longer. Good Lord, we were dumb.

ran with and so glad

-still on the wine clearly (r285 here)

Here in the UK it was the opposite. I didn't see much meth use on the gay scene in the 00s, but now I see it almost everyday.

I did a little sample yesterday of messaging the H&H (PnP) guys in London on Grindr, to ask them "What drugs do you like fucking on?" I messaged 10 and every one mentioned "T" for Crystal Meth.

What’s the percentage of porn bottoms on meth? You sometimes clearly see it. But do the big studios allow it?

Do UK guys prefer cut or uncut meth?

R288 - this drug along with coke and in come cases MDMA and others have been widely used in the porn industry since at least the 80's (likely 70's). By no means was this limited to gay porn - drug usage has been rampant on the straight side of the isle as well. You can clearly see coked-up performances in the majority of porn scenes if you are actually looking for it. In many cases, it adds to the intensity of the sex. Watch pornography documentaries and many performers are candid about the issue. I can't imagine the stress of filming such a scene and I'm sure that drugs help them do their job. In many cases this perhaps "helps" and in others the usage perhaps has gone too far and starts to detract (much like in real life). For an industry that demands that performers be lean, fit and naked on film - stimulant usage by performers is hardly surprising. I don't think that drugs are exactly a "secret" component on a porn set. When it comes to both straight and gay tops however - some performers are in fact enabled by drug usage while others have difficultly maintaining erection. This depends on the performers unique physiology as well as the amount of drug used and what "stage" of the high the particular performer has reached. Most men will find any of the drugs to negatively effect performance at certain points in the high while actually aiding to and improving their erection at other stages. For tops, stimulants can really be difficult to time - this makes for an unpredictable liability to those who are being paid to perform. My guess is that fewer tops find them helpful than bottoms would - from a performance perspective. Personally, I would avoid them - but I would never agree to perform in pornography nor would I be chosen to do so (these days) LOL.

I guess these drugs make you feel "I don't give a shit", which is what you need when you are surrounded by lights, cameras and chubby camera men.

The real problem is great, great sex is its own drug, and if you find a drug that gives you great, great, GREAT sex, you lose all perspective.

r273 It's really wild that they are prescribing this stuff to people who are diagnosed with ADHD. I remember there being an adderall boom the last decade and probably why meth rates are rising.

I suspect in many of those so-called Adderall cases, R293, that the drug in question was crystal methamphetamine. But it was more acceptable to say those football players and other athletes tested positive for Adderall rather than meth.

'I guess these drugs make you feel "I don't give a shit", which is what you need when you are surrounded by lights, cameras and chubby camera men.'

You need to be careful with meth and coke if you're combining them with a lot of bottoming, as they can cause both diarrhoea and constipation. The loosened muscles aren't fun if the former one strikes.

You mean during filming R295?

a buddy of mine is in recovery for meth addiction and he said at the depth of his addiction he would just spray diarrhea in the toilet and barely wipe and just go right back to fucking.

Adder all is basically the same thing is my understanding. Which is bizarre and insane since we give it to kids.

Adderall, when correctly prescribed for ADD and ADHD has an inverse relationship to body chemistry. They are already strung out and hyper and the amphetamines work to actually bring them down and focus them. It’s an anomaly, but it works and people who actually need it shouldn’t be demonized because of the extensive abuse by others.

If you’ve ever seen how it makes a kid with ADD or ADHD turn their life around, you wouldn’t question it. There have been five times when as a classroom specialist that I’ve noticed a positive change in a student’s behavior and when I’ve checked with the home room teacher found out that that’s what it was. It is that obvious, like a miracle drug turning a monster child into a pleasure to be around.

Adderral, Ritalin and dextroamphetamines are NOT the same thing as crystal meth. I’ve smoked meth in the past, as well as crack cocaine. It is not something I would recommend dabbling in. Both have a terrible crash/recovery. Both make for hot sex. Both are absurdly addictive.

I haven’t used since 2003 and I still remember my damn dealer’s phone number!

Adderal, Phentermine etc when prescribed by doctors give you a lovely, smooth energy that lasts all day as the pills are sustained release. Nothing like the choppy, nasty, manic meth high which doesn't last very long.

R299 thats really interesting, thanks for your insight

Uh...NAH, I'm good.

Coming down, R303?

Yes, Adderall calms kids down, the opposite of what it does to adults. For adults with ADD, it helps them focus, kind of like coffee.

if you get high from Adderall than you don’t have ADD or ADHD. They’ve studied it, they found the alleles in peoples genes or whatever that predict those disorders and the people they’ve studied who reported euphoria on the drug do not have the alleles.

[quote]they found the alleles

They ought to leave her wherever the fuck they found her.

R297 a bit graphic, but very sad. Say no to drugs kids!

I take Adderall and it doesn’t make me high, it calms me down and makes me concentrate. I take it before I have a lot of work to do. It also makes me more patient when dealing with difficult people, which I doubt Meth would do.

Wow - I never knew that about Adderall. How weird. So I wonder if people with that gene don’t get high off meth? What happens to ADHD kids on Ritalin when they hit adulthood? Do they stay on it - or does their body chemistry change?

GHB is not a drug it is a carbohydrate. Used properly it is harmless. Even in an OD situation it is not deadly. It was only scheduled because of a girl who died. The autopsy said she had GHB in her system - of course she did we all do. It occurs natrually in us. She died of a heart condition but fraus lached on to it and got it scheuduled. You used to be able to buy it at healthfood stores.

ADHD isn’t something just for kids, adults get it too. And yes, the study showed the people who were genetically predisposed to ADD and ADHD did not get high from Adderall. One assumes then that even as they grow older they still wouldn’t get high from it.

Isn’t GHB a bunch of weird cleaning chemicals?

GHB is gamma hyrdoxybutyrate, the date rape drug, an analog of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA. R311 you have no clue what you are talking about. It is deadly at large doses, especially when combined with alcohol.

Party gays are always dropping dead from GHB overdoses but hey what're a few dead guys when you get to be seen by all the other shallow queens at the club.

It's funny with gays and drugs. I did my share of coke and shrooms and weed in HS and college before I came out. I ran with the partying crowd. So I learned the ropes young. Then when I came out at 28, I met all these gay men that seemed to be trying things for the first time in their new city lives and with their circle of gay friends. It was like everyone was a newbie. Before you know it, their shirts and their common sense gets tossed to the wind.

Yeah, GHB is most certainly dangerous - perhaps one of the more dangerous drugs out there. Easy to overdose on and best avoided (all drugs are - but this one is particularly dangerous). As R314 mentioned, if you already have alcohol in your system, you are asking for BIG TROUBLE. Tons of overdoses on this one.

Alcohol plus benzos have been responsible for so many accidental overdoses and deaths.

In my meth days, I would meet tons of dentists and lawyers for some reason.

Does the same professional demographic still use it?

R319 You mean because it ruins your teeth and gets you locked up and in need of an attorney?

R320, no, Jessica, because they would fuck my loose ass

Meth is a lonely drug. The social stigma keeps people from admitting addiction, hiding it and only keeping a tight band of buddies around. Even then, unless you are wealthy a lot of users lose their capability to work or make money UNLESS they have a job they can get away with it or work for themselves. I would need several days to recoup after using and my appearance was obvious something was off, I’d lose weight noticeably and either be pale or flushed and sweat profusely. I also would break out in rashes. The “ideal” job would be one where you really didn’t interact with a lot of the same people, work remotely or could time your appearances.

Over time I’d meet a LOT of grifters and thieves using meth. There were guys that would install key swipe software on your computer to get passwords, take stuff from your apartment or swipe your wallet/ cards. This included a lot of young guys that were essentiallly homeless and would just coast from party to party, selling their ass for meth.

When did meth become the big party drug among the A-gays and the A-gay wannabes?

^^^I’d say it seemed things started turning around late 90s although others may dispute that. I just remember the vibrant club scene and music suddenly got very dark and weird, at least in NYC.

I remember meth in San Francisco in the early 90s. But saw it as very much a West Coast thing throughout most of the 90s. Def was in NY by the 00s.

I wonder what impact COVID has had on meth use and sex parties?

R326 girl my whole adult life has been a pandemic!

I lived in Boston in the late 90's and heard nothing about it until around late 2000, as I was moving to NYC. When I got to NYC, I saw it get bigger and bigger over the next 2-3 years. The gay community sort of tolerated it as no one knew its terrible effects yet.

It wasn't until at least 2005 or so that gay groups started to actively push against it.

That's the reason all those big A-gay parties have a whole medical team on standby.

Don't you mean "Hole medical team"?

Like that weird nurse in the black politician overdose scandal in Miami?

I was looking at a bareback discussion site (no I don't do that but thy have none PC discussions). I read through one thread on Meth Users. They said the drive for sex and need for more meth really does lead to crazy shit. Your body just crazes pleasure, that's why straight guys may get into anal sex while under Meth since their dicks don't stay hard and it can feel really good. It all sounds like very crazy shit that should be avoided at all costs.

No need r332? Lol

So are the tops at these chem sex parties not on meth if your dick won't stay hard on it? Are they on coke instead?

They are on meth and viagra, most often.

All of them are on everything R334 that's why so many of them die either quickly or slowly.

The sexual enhancement from meth is by triggering a massive dose of dopamine. But when dopamine is released, so is norepenephrine, which constricts blood flow. Depending on how much meth you use, and the amount of norepenephrine your body releases, may shut down erections in some men, but not others. Some men take Viagra along with the meth, to keep the blood vessels open enough to get blood into the penis.

[quote] People should be allowed to use any drug they desire—they're going to anyway.

Yes, Ms. Lohan.

Thanks guys. Didn't know about the Viagra but it makes sense. That combo would kill any man over 40 pretty quickly. I guess chemsex is limited to the under 35s mainly.

The only Tina in my life is Xtina..... “Ooooooooo waaaaa waaaa huuuuuuuuhh 😩 “

All these guys are vain and self-absorbed mannequins who think of no one but themselves so let them make their own choices and if they take themselves out it's no one's fault but their own.

Meth affects people differently. Some lose their hard-one, but others seem to get harder

I dabbled in it a couple of years ago and had no problem getting a hard on. But I also started bottoming when I had been a top up until then.

I quit when I noticed that most of the guys I met while doing it were in a downward spiral and often had these obsessions that people were following them or breaking into their homes. One guy spent a couple of hours trying to convince me that a picture he had taken proved there was somebody hiding in his couch. Another wanted to be blindfolded while getting fucked and the last time he took off the blindfold he went running through his house looking for the "other guy". A third one showed me a pic he had taken of me when I went to grab waters from the fridge with his knowledge. But he insisted it wasn't me.

I never got to the point that I was buying it. I would throw in money or supply other party favors when I was around it. But I never carried it. Then I had a violent encounter with a guy who was convinced that I was the devil and that was it. Haven't touched it since and avoid those kind of hook ups. Which unfortunately, seem to be more common opportunities here lately.

You can’t stop playing with your cock because it feels so good. And when you finally come it’s like a volcanic eruption. I miss it but it’s bad news.

R343, yes the paranoia some experience is usually the sign of using too much.

Your story is very similar to mine. It was an encounter with a guy who suddenly became paranoid and was convinced I was trying to kidnap and kill him that made to stop cold turkey

R344, I miss that constant good feeling, going for hours and hours. But then my dick would be in a pain for a few days

Ahh, after nearly a year of forced celibacy, what I would give for some Tina up my ass followed by a parade of guys with thick cocks

... followed by the 🤜 🤜 🌺

I had a guy like that too, r345. I finally had enough of it and let him out of the trunk.

R348, Good times, good times

I have to say, I haven't done it in years, but some of the group meth scenes were the hottest sex I've ever had. Off the charts...

R351, the toughest thing for a crystal meth addict to come to terms with is that they’ll never have sex like that again. For me, it was fifteen years of some terrific sex but coming down and getting off the drug was absolutely treacherous. I knew others that’d relapse after a few years and the problem is you start right off where you left and it only gets darker. In my 50’s now and a bit overweight, my joints and cardiovascular system couldn’t handle that drug anymore. I also loved that most of the guys doing meth were down and dirty and pretty much up for anything, especially group sex which I loved. Sigh.

When I first got sober, I used to say I couldn’t hang with a guy that I knew that used crystal even a little- because I knew he had good looking friends that used as well. I relapsed once when a sober girl invited her hot bisexual friend over and he pulled out a pipe!

Yes the sex was wild—but was it really or was it just our imaginations?

When I watch pnp sex online, it looks so messy and boring. Guys have sex for two minutes then sit and stare at porn and then move around erratically and then suck for 10 seconds and then more jerking.

It’s frenetic and not interesting at all to look at.

I stopped when I noticed that fewer and fewer people we doing it and the ones that were were injecting and living lost lives. Plus, it seemed the stuff was getting weaker.

That was 15 years ago

From what I hear, it has made a comeback of sorts, but I’m thankfully in a different stage of my life and have moved on.

It wasn't our imaginations. It was fun, and hot, and wild. It broke the bounds of reality which is what made it so enjoyable. Everyone was up for everything....But the price was too high.

I distinctly remember jogging in the park in the early naughts and two guys jogged by me.

One guy was saying to the other, “The stuff is incredible. The guy couldn’t fuck me hard enough. I just wanted more and more.”

I immediately knew they were talking about meth.

they have injections now into the penis for erections, Trimix, I think it’s called. There’s gay doctors and nurse practitioners that have boutique practices in Hell’s kitchen and Chelsea specializing in this. They know damn well it’s for guys who are going to party all weekend.

I can’t imagine how that works.

For one thing, I don’t want a needle anywhere near Uncle Schmitty;

And do you just remain hard for...how long? Or is it like viagra where it’s an enhancement?

I’ll forgo the good sex to avoid the meth addiction. Like eating, if sex becomes too important it means you’re missing out on more important things in life.

It sounds like a lot of the "recovered" guys here do nothing but think about meth and the great sex they had on it.

R360, sadly I do.

It takes a long time to have sex comfortably without meth after using it

Apparently, a very very long time going by some of the posts here.

Sex with any of the stimulants is a tricky endeavor. It's undeniably better yes, but it also always comes down to timing - and all of these drugs can be unpredictable. I'm a top, I only top and have never once in my life had any interest in bottoming. No drug has ever changed that desire - or lack of desire as the case may be. Molly (MDMA) is by far the most euphoric of the bunch and really the only one that I would actually CRAVE (the others are really take or leave, who cares). For me, during the first few hours of the drug taking effect - there is no way in Hell that I could achieve erection (and you really don't care much about doing so either). The last few hours, you are horny as fuck and - in my case, zero erection issues (quite the opposite). Coke is a much faster acting drug so anecdotally, you have a short initial phase of wood issues then become a sex god. Continuing to snort all night doesn't effect this somehow - but does cost you hundreds of $$. Meth follows more along the Molly model, but lacks most of the euphoria. From a chemistry standpoint - it is very similar. The issue comes down to how it is used. I can't speak for those who inject it, but in my limited experience most snort or smoke it. If you keep snorting as you would with coke - you never know when you will reach that 2 or so hours of hardon as the re-dosing is all over the place and likely confusing for your entire body. With MDMA, you swallow a "dose" and then let it play out. If you are hardcore, you repeat once again after about 4 hours. Far more predictable. The cold, hard reality is that they all leave you with terrible hangovers and your body needs almost weeks to recover fully and at least a full day to even be functional. This doesn't mesh well into most people's work and/or social life. So, most people do not use any of these drugs often. Just my 2 cents.

This tread is kinda scary.

Yeah, R364, it got hijacked by tweakers. Meth = bad. We need to stop normalizing its use in the gay community.

Clutch those pearls R365! GOD FORBID that a thread labeled "The Meth/Tina Thread" might actually have posters discussing.....wait for it....wait for it....meth! I am rather sure that almost every poster here has described it to be bad in some way. They have laid out reasons that it is bad for your health and quality of life. Because it is. What posts are you reading?

Most drugs are fun - or people wouldn't use them. Most drugs have bad side effects - from the deadliest like heroin to those considered small potatoes like pot, cigs and booze. They are ALL bad for your health in one way or another and ALL put you at risk at the end of the day. If you are going to experiment with any drug - for God's sake use it seldomly, be aware of the actual amount you put into your body (this matters), how often you are doing so (frequency matters too) and finally be very aware of interactions with other drugs or even other benign foods or OTC drugs that could be very damaging. Most importantly, remember that abstinence is the safest form of drug usage. Knowledge is power and discussing a topic is not "normalizing" it.

I wish that alcohol had not been treated so flippantly by society and everyone that interacted with in my youth - because that one became my problem. Now, I abstain. I don't preach that everyone should do the same thing - not at all. It was my problem and may never be a problem for you. But I do believe that having honest, frank discussions about it are helpful. It helped me to realize what my "social" drinking was doing to my liver and my pancreas. These threads are a good thing. There are pros (a high feels good to most people) that should be weighed with cons (severely harming your body, your career and/or your relationships). Frank, honest discussions are a good thing and they do make a difference in people's lives and influence their choices to either use or avoid various drugs.

When talking about drugs, whether as an addict or recreationally- I think there’s a child and an adult in all of us.

The child is creative, boundless and loves to wake up first thing in the morning with lots of energy, yet is impulsive. The adult is the one that is more thoughtful, strategic and prudent about planning for the future. There are assets and liability with both, everyone can argue but as you age, it’s dangerous to lean too heavily into your inner child, and to be too much of an adult stifles one’s happiness. I’ve met addicts that have successfully planned out their using behavior, and recreational buddies that take it right up to the edge that can still wake up Monday morning fresh faced and honor their responsibilities.

There is a balance each person must strike and this balance changes as you age. If you’re doing drugs recreationally and have a prosperous and fulfilling life, great! If the “wallpaper edges” in your daily life don’t match up, you spend a lot of time despondent or have too many excuses or are always blaming others, perhaps you have a problem and need to be more adult about evaluating it rather than be impulsive.

Some impulsive choices I’ve made in my life paid off handsomely. That doesn’t mean I would keep making them, I also line my nest with prudent decisions because I’m no longer the good looking single party boy living in NYC. Sobriety isn’t a rose garden either, but I’m glad I got sober. It’s not a choice I would force anyone to make. I’ve lost too many dear friends to meth addiction ever try to.

The key is to find your own balance.

Balance R367? This thread has pretty much become a (Meth Is Awesome I Miss The Awesome Unreachable Only With Meth Sex I Had On It) thread and with all due respect to your "Inner Child," there is no balance achieved by addicts only the bullshit they tell themselves to validate their continued use until they completely burn out or die.

Thanks R368

r368 Completely agree. The toxicity and purity of meth has increased significantly since 90s, when last dabbled w/friends when we had more time, less life/work responsibilities and of course, youth to handle down time & recovery. For current users, you're prob aware there are harm reduction resources avail

I don’t think Tweaker.org has helped our community. Sorry. It’s premise seems to be that Meth is manageable, everybody does anyways, and it can be kept under control with the right attitude . I can see where they are coming from (not to shame etc.) but ultimately this approach is going nowhere and creates more harm.

I let a guy piss up my ass when I was on meth.

Sadly, it wasn’t so thrilling on my end

That is an actual website?! Jesus.

Well, Methey Ann is now lost to us and we only have Tina left.

Um, r368 and 369, is not possible in your small minds that both things could be true -- the sex was incredible AND it's too dangerous a drug and you should stay away. That's what people seem to be writing. How simplistic is your thinking?

Thanks R375. (R367)

You can’t shame an addict into getting sober anymore. Agree the drugs are a lot stronger, thank God I got sober when I did and my dealer cut the stuff.

That's just it R375 the message your sending isn't that it's a terrible drug that has destroyed lives sometimes beyond repair, the message you and your fellow "recovered users" are sending is Oh, God it was so amazing you'll never have sex as good as meth sex and I really wish I could still be doing it!...but it's bad...But Awesome!!!

There are some excellent writers on this thread. Really enjoying it!

'the message your sending isn't that it's a terrible drug that has destroyed lives sometimes beyond ' repair'

Shut the fuck up, you virtue signalling frau. This thread is about people's experiences on Meth and everyone who has spoken adds that they have since given meth up for the good of their mental and physical health. You sound like a spazzy prude who has never even smoked a joint or enjoyed the soothing buzz from a few codeine tablets.

if you don’t take chemicals into your body you’re a spazzy prude? That sounds like peer pressure to me.

'if you don’t take chemicals into your body you’re a spazzy prude? That sounds like peer pressure to me.'

More evidence that you're a simpering simple frau, a goody two shoes. Every time you eat pizza or drink a beer you are ingesting chemicals. And 'peer pressure'? How do you know I'm your peer? I'm an anonymous poster on a gossip board, probably not even in the same country as you, let alone the same age and demographic. Do you even know what 'peer pressure' means? You're probably a vile Klan Granny too.

Please don’t derail a sensible thread with a personal fight.

check out the Klan Granny troll at R381 (rolls eyes)

let’s turn this into a Meghan Markle adoration thread R381!!

Spazzy Prude? Hardly I'm just a guy who finds it weird that a thread about the dangers of meth somehow became a "remember the good old meth days" trip down memory lane.

I meth the good ole days.

"What should the government do to stop the inflow of meth into the country?"

I see that some have still learned nothing from the corrupt scumbag Reagans, the "War on Drugs" and "Just Say No". In the last 40 years, this country has made drug lords billionaires, has enabled them to slaughter innocent people, has lost every "battle" in the "war", has turned addicts into the highest form of criminal and has made the owners of privatized prisons VERY RICH and even more corrupt than they were to begin with. Addiction has been monetized to make the rich richer. Regulate all drugs the same - the same as is done with alcohol, the same as is done with prescription drugs. Stop turning a bad situation into a fucking God-awful one.

R386, part of me agrees. If all drugs were legal, at least people would have access to the legal, pharmaceutical version of the preferred drug, which would be safer than street drugs. If addicts could get the drugs legally, they would also be more likely to receive help from social services as well.

I knew you were referring to New Zealand, v8Fairy.

I was away for 12 years and when I came back I have never seen so many of my old friend's lives decimated by it. Death, loss of businesses, health and family. Truly horrify. And it's only going to get worse as NZ spirals out of control with regard to opportunity, living costs and lack of housing.

"Methamphetamine is easier to obtain than cannabis in a lot of cases and dealers are offering it in place of “weed” when supplies are scarce. In fact, it appears that methamphetamine is on the verge of overtaking cannabis"

The reason it's so ubiquitous is that because of our isolation, other drugs like coke and MDMA are super expensive compared to places like the UK.

Our government and the police are scared of the gangs, they have tremendous power due to cultural reasons/issues in poorer areas, which is not something a Labour government wants to touch. They will have to soon though, Australia's getting tough on gangs and will continue to dump more and more Kiwi crims back over here.

From Hot to Not

an acquaintance of mine, 4 year difference. Went from a suburban home with a decent car, dogs, doting partner, good health, and employable. Now is homeless, in and out of jail, HIV+, and blames everyone but himself for his issues.

THIS is what happens to gay men on meth.

^^^ note the elvin features, the whole face collapses and takes on a weird appearance like a tired woodland elf. Even if he kicks meth, that face is here to stay unless he gets Juviderm or something to plump it back up. Hard to do without a penny to your name. And forget about the teeth, they’re even worse now. They’ll all have to come out and implants or dentures put in. This man is not even 50 yet.

Those are definitely not the faces of people filled with misty water-colored memories.

Horrifying. And we have to look at the root causes of why people take any drugs in the first place. What are they hoping for? Where are they escaping to? Why is it worth it? This goes for billionaires to the homeless. It answers something...

R394 do you live in the same world as me? Look around right now.

People that are meth addicts have certain traits- they tend to internalize issues, don’t stand up for themselves, and usually put up with al LOT before they completely snap. You kind of HAVE TO- because it’s a drug with such a horrible reputation and people keep secret about using it. As an addict, you know the drug is bad but keep making excuses that, “it’s not that bad” until it actually IS.

The incredible release the drug gives excuses a LOT of the inconveniences. Over 15 years, I had festering sores, psychotic breaks, situations where I put myself in precarious and unlawful situations, and was broke, a week away from homelessness and losing my job. I can in all confidence say I’d STILL be using the drug (or be dead)- if I hadn’t sought out help outside myself to quit. THIS is why it’s so hard, because most people think they can do it themselves- or that they really don’t have a problem. That’s such a slippery slope to slide down. I should know, I spent a decade sliding down it!

I quit because I had designed my whole life around using the drug and my life became so small. Crystal had basically taken away everything else that made me happy and all that was left was to use the drug, even when I didn’t want to.

I remember hearing a favorite song I hadn’t heard in awhile over the speakers at a sex club and thinking, “Wow, the last time I heard this song I was so happy.” It was well before my descent into meth use and though I didn’t quit that night, I did try to stop and sought help later.

There’s nothing wrong with escaping- as long as you do eventually find yourself.

The rewiring it does to the brain can be permanent so if anyone tells you they use/have used or tell you they're "a casual user" run!

So, there’s this straight CBer who’s constantly getting into trouble in just about every possible way including having almost OD on MDNA over the summer. A week and a half ago he broke out with acne all over his face. Up until now he’s barely had more than a spot, but someone called him, rightly so, pizza face and it looks like it’s literally melting and he can’t stop picking at it. I’m shocked that he even comes on and barely acknowledges it saying it’s just an outbreak. Can that extreme sudden acne be a cause of Meth? It seems isolated to his face, but must be a reaction to something he’s taking?

It's because these regular people don't have the self control to be naturally anorexic and amphetamines suppress your appetite and make you lose weight. They also have other side effects though, which make you an oily, pockmarked nuisance with mood swings, thinning hair, gross teeth and a disgusting lifestyle. The harsh comedown will make you binge drink, too.

Build up enough self hate to starve yourself and exercise instead.

ElderSage R396, it sounds like you have lived ten lives of experience with this drug. Thank you for your honesty in sharing your experiences. The strength you must have needed to get away from the drug's grip, I can't imagine.

What's a CBer, 398? And thanks for sharing ElderSage, R396, that is pretty much how I have experienced it with my best friend. I am so glad he is back!

R401 CB is Chaturbate

“If we can’t get a handle on this, it will be the next epidemic.”

I say let the weak die.

GHB is not a drug, it is a carb. It occurs naturally in the body. We all have it in us right now. Back in the 90s, you could buy big bottles of it in the health food shops. Bodybuilders used it for recovery as it promoted a deep sleep when used correctly and could give them the same effect as a few drinks when taken in small doses without the adverse effects or calories of alcohol. It got banned due to fraus. A girl died mysteriously. The autopsy showed nothing. Then the examiner had heard about GHB and decided to test for it. He found it....duh.it is in everyone naturally in trace amounts - which is what he found. He ruled it death by GHB and the frau patrol was on it. They lobbied to get it scheduled.

You and your besties use all the "party supplies" you want R404.

R404 - it matters little what something is or isn't when too much of it leads to your accidental death. Be careful is all I have to say about GHB. It is a central nervous system (CNS) depressant that when used in quantities too large leads to respiratory failure among other "fun stuff". It is often paired with stimulants for a reason - to keep it from killing you. Just be careful - I agree that demonizing drug use can be cultish, but be very aware of what you are putting in your body, what it can have interactions with and what to do if you realize that things are going the wrong way (and quickly).

Everyone romanticizing crystal meth is a fucking asshole. Anyone who cares about others wouldn’t try to pique anyone’s interest in trying it.

One of my best friends died because he met the wrong crowd, got addicted to meth, got HIV and couldn’t ever get himself together to take his meds, despite his family and friends trying to help him. Even the times he wasn’t using, he was paranoid and couldn’t think clearly. He wouldn’t trust those of us who tried to help him. Before meth he had a charmed life- clever, hot, rich parents, good education, didn’t have to work, traveled the world in luxury... after meth he lost everything. It breaks my heart to think about what this drug and the fuckers who introduced him to it did to my friend. Prior to meth, I never knew him to drink too much, smoke or do any drugs. It’s a tragedy and a lot of people miss him dearly.

For those saying GHB is just a naturally occurring carbohydrate, fuck you. GHB is deadly.

Gay people have to help one another avoid these deadly chemicals. I volunteer with a couple of organizations- there are ways to help that require very little commitment.

hello. how are you handsome. is this the correct thread to post on?

R407, One of the central tenets of sobriety is to stop blaming and “own” our addiction AND our sobriety- there’s no one else that can do it for us. When I was using, it was WAY too easy to say, “I was running with the wrong crowd”, or, “But my boyfriend does it and he doesn’t seem to have a problem”. Also, many people are estranged from family and as addicts we hide that part of our lives really well until it’s too late. Addiction doesn’t happen over one weekend or a month, but unravels over awhile, and we keep getting away with it. Also, one of the things that keeps people trapped is the stigma of, “but what will they think?”, because meth addiction can be very hard to deduce to friends and family. Many, many addicts I know said their family and friends had absolutely NO idea when they finally admitted their drug use..

My condolences to your friend, but when I asked my brother for help, he turned me away, explaining “I have to think of my family”. I couldn’t turn to anyone at my work, and by the time I finally hit bottom, had burned through a lot of friendships. There was nowhere to turn to until I found Crystal Meth Anonymous. Crystal meth has a horrible reputation because of TV shows and how it’s depicted in media.

Sobriety isn’t a blame game- but relearning how to be accountable, dealing with the consequences of past drug use by ,making amends and “keeping our side of the street clean”. It’s asking , “But what is my part of this problem?” rather than continue to blame others or our circumstances. Anywhere along the way your friend could’ve woken up or had this spark of realization and things may have turned out differently, but it wasn’t that he was hanging out with the wrong crowd. It was because he chose to KEEP hanging out with them.

Gaining newfound sobriety has become much more difficult in this recent culture of Covid isolation where also everyone wants to or makes it so easy to blame others for everything that makes them unhappy.

[QUOTE] There’s nothing wrong with escaping- as long as you do eventually find yourself.

Translated: “There’s nothing wrong with meth - as long as you do eventually stop.”

Well, that’s just the problem though, isn’t it? My friend who “stopped” is a burnt out mess, with lots of nervous tics, anger, and spouts 12-step shit yet seems deeply unhappy. He also has meth AND poz face, and had every disease in the book from Hep a,b, c, and d, anal warts like a fucking cauliflower in his ass, and hiv. Good thing he stopped because he would have probably died, but his living isn’t so pretty now either and he’s been “clean” 4 years.

Yeah, the faux-zen comment about meth being ok as long as you eventually quit is bad advice, because meth causes permanent brain damage and unfixable mood disorders. It's a drug to be avoided, period.

What about Kevin Sessums, a/k/a the Meth-issippi Sissy?

Can the person who told the story about Ethan Hawke wanting to try meth several years ago (and ended up getting fucked by the guy who supplied it or smoked it with him) please re-up the story? I can’t find it and I want to masturbate while reading it.

The meth part is a turn-off; the Ethan getting fucked part sends me.

R410, I would never condone meth use, and people “escape” with sex, pills, alcohol, gambling and all sorts of other vices legal and illegal. In my travels I met lots of people that could use meth a few times a year and never had a problem with it. But I also knew people that died agonizing deaths, or linger in hospitals- and live with us while actively using every day as tortured souls. If you’ve never done meth, don’t, not even once. My friend quit but still hallucinates- hears and sees things that aren’t true or real, and that is terrifying to me.

I wanted to escape because I fell in love and he didn’t love me back- it was in my eyes a perfect relationship and I persistently tried every which way to make it happen. I spent two years in a heartbroken death spiral- and though it wasn’t just meth, I escaped from my responsibilities and was seeking to avoid seeing the truth about myself- or what I felt was validating- or how to apply my love. A lot of people walk through their lives full of disappointment, or unaware they may have an addiction or alcoholism issue. A lot of gays come from broken homes or worse, great families or wealth that didn’t support them in critical areas of gay adolescent personal growth. It’s rare to, and often money gets in the way.

A great book I recommend is “Velvet Rage”, if I can thank my meth addiction for anything it was that coming out the other side of it to be more thankful for my life, how to apply and conduct myself in relationships, and how to curb self obsession that most of us have.

R410, the other truth is that if you’re a young gay guy you’re going to experience the opportunity to take meth. Rather than flat out condemn it, people should be educated about choices and how destructive the drug is. This means you have to have a rudimentary understanding of what makes it so addictive and arm people with choices when a staggeringly handsome guy pulls out a pipe or baggie full of meth.

To flat out dismiss flat out as “wrong” it is to keep it and everything about it in the dark- uniformed- blaming “the wrong crowd- and stigmatizing those seeking help.

I’ve been acquainted with many who use meth. When it comes to a personal relationship, one is in love with meth. The other is a hopeful enabler.

I was a young gay guy in the 1990s and meth was coming around and I never tried it. I didn’t try E, K, G, cocaine, or acid either.

Call me a pansy for staying away from drugs and keeping myself clear of addictions, I dare you Mary.

Thick cock is the only drug I need.....

Great slow-burning thread. Stay away from that shit, boys. You end up like Gollum with a split personality, ugly, whiny, repetitive, and with deep regrets, but you just can't help it. And in the end you betray everyone to get you "precious".

^your precious.

It's so trashy. Don't bother with it.

It’s funny, here in LA you can walk into just any non-sober gay party and with a little wink or a little tilt of the head you can end up in a private bedroom or a locked bathroom and do a line of coke with an old friend or a new trick and nobody will look cross side at you. But if you walked into that same party and tried the same for crystal? You’d get a totally different reception. Cocaine is now completely socially acceptable and you can do it out in the open if you choose, you can do it on the dance floor, you can do it in the a club’s bathrooms, or your BFF’s coffee table, etc. But again crystal Isn’t ever spoken about.

But that doesn’t mean that the two drugs are mutually exclusive. I’ve come home from a party where me and my friends were doing coke all night and logon to grinder or the much the much missed Craigslist and recognize people I’ve just been doing coke with, now at home looking for someone to PnP with. So in LA at least cocaine is OK but crystal meth is not OK at least not in public or outside a sex hook up or sex party.

If you’re gay and you live in a city, someone you know is doing crystal meth and you will only find out when it almost too late. It has happened to me many, many times.

meth is gross and people associate it with bad hygiene, odors, dental caries and gum disease, diarrhea, and being cooped up in filthy rooms for days on end.

Meth is cocaine for the poors.

Meth alters a lot...

R410 - We have your assessment of your friend who quit doing meth. Do you think he agrees? Don't get me wrong. I did it for a while and have some consequences from doing it. But when I started noticing an odd similar paranoia amongst people who had been doing it longer than me, I knew I had to get out. They always thought people were breaking into their house and one thought there were people "hiding in the couch". They were calling-the-police serious. I had previously done a good bit of LSD / X / Mushrooms and there were a few times that I thought there were people running around my periphery. But I couldn't take those drugs every day or even every couple of days. And I always knew it was not real.

But back to your friend. Does he work? Is he content there? Maintain personal relationships, a household? And why do his AA rants get to you? Do you drink? Is it frequent? Do you think he wishes he had your life?

Before the recent meth resurgence, I was wondering how meth, so abundant in the naughts, suddenly disappeared, If this were so addictive, wouldn't everyone still be using it.

Turns out many gays stopped. Unfortunately there was a subgroup that spiraled downward and used it more and more. They went to their own website dirtynastypigs.com of something like that.

NastyKinkPigs

[QUOTE] Do you drink?

“No I don’t you BITCH!”

Tina is The new Tracy. We parTy queens are always on The cuTTing edge.

For every addiction, there is a program, turn, turn, turn...

Eldergay here. I always liked speed, but I didn't discover meth until I was 30 (in 1982). By 1984 when AIDS hit, I was a addicted. I craved escape from the horror of watching my friends die. It took me 11 years to stop, after losing everybody and everything, and the only way I could was by leaving San Francisco and moving to NYC where I knew nobody (dealers). During those sad days, I hit bottom and, instead of rising back up, I started digging deeper. I never knew that about myself, how weak I was. After '95 I started living life again, along with panic attacks which led to a heart attack in '04. I've spent about $100K on dental implants, etc. For me, it wasn't a sex drug because (as a top) I couldn't keep an erection, which was very frustrating. I just hung out by myself, couch surfed, wore out friendships, and ended up in a welfare hotel with other tweakers and people dying of AIDS. And still, as pathetic as it all was, I'd do a line right now if someone offered it to me.

R432 are you saying you did not find a dealer in NYC within 3 days?

Reading this thread it looks like a lot of people go through a period of up to ten or fifteen years doing a drug (in this case, meth) that will ultimately turn on you. It's not just meth though. Something happens to people to cause them to want to escape through drugs. Wondering what it is.

R433, Didn't go out looking. Too busy trying to restart my life.

R435/R432 I admire your strength. Moving to a gay metropolis to get clean is audacious. But probably wiser than moving to bumfuck nowhere , where drugs will find you anyways.

Doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break

I am posiTively spun aT The momenT. Spun like a Top. Daddy likes his T. I mean herbal tea... ☕️

Is Crack harder to quit than Meth? I was addicted to meth and had a (straight) friend who was into crack. He always had a gorgeous girlfriend. But when he was smoking crack he confessed to me that and his girlfriend did three-ways with his (male) dealer and that he was the bottom in that configuration. He was a handsome writer/poet type who had a horror story in his background (mom was killed in front of him). I kicked meth and I thought he kicked crack after he got arrested for possession and put in jail somewhere in Utah. He called me and asked for money to start his life over. I sent him $500 which was half my savings at the time, found him a roommate deal in NYC and found him a job. He got let go after the three month probation. I got him another job (word processor in law firms which were easy to find in those days and paid well) and he lost that one too. One day his roommate (another friend of mine) called to tell me he was bringing a crack dealer up to the apartment and he had to ask my friend to leave. How naive was I? He hid it so well. He never paid me back any of the money I loaned him and one day had the nerve to ask me to buy a sweater he'd bought but didn't like. Damn. Last straw time. Haven't seen him since then but know he's still around.

Meth can destroy a life. There is no getting around that.

I just saw this and thought I'd post it here.

"Loni, who was once on the cover of Australia’s Glam Fit magazine, is now living on the streets close to Venice Pier.

On suffering a mental breakdown in 2016, Loni lost her job, apartment and car and ending up living rough on the streets.

She disappeared in October 2018 after a failed attempt by friends to get her into rehab.

The blonde, who has several missing teeth, had been battling an addiction to crystal meth and alcohol, as well as mental health issues."

It is truly heartbreaking.

Any male equivalents, R441? Other than Fadi...

R441 So sad what meth does to people.

Right now I can only think of Shaun Weiss, R442...

Wow, R444. That is about the worst after/before photo ever seen. Over five years. There is no coming back from that.

Tina Arena or Tina Cousins?

R446, Tina TURNER-

‘Cause she’ll turn you OUT!

R447 TurnT

r406 - I OD'ed on GHB by accident. We were in anaheim for the weekend and I dosed out enough for the weekend in a bottle of cranberry juice. We hit the park that day and when I got home I took a big ole swig forgetting I juiced it. I was out like a light, snoring like a log jam. My partner called 911 he didn't know what to do. They put me in the icu I was out - for 24 hours out. I woke up intubated in the icu. They had done a spinal tap, brain scan, drew blood - they could not figure out why I was unconscious and I was not going to tell them. They were pissed I wanted to be released. They threatened to have my license suspended because of my "condition." and hold me for a psych eval incase I tried to kill myself. Finally I asked the doctor to have everyone leave and I told him what happened. He released me and told me to be careful.

A meth pipe might as well be a loaded gun because it sounds like once you put it in your mouth your life is over for good.

[quote]a 0.5 gram bag of cocaine for $200.

Rip off.

I've never tried, never will. Had a friend lose everything because of his addiction to it. The stories he would tell me were mind-blowing. Constantly going to sex parties.

Yeah, Anyone who does/has done meth is best avoided because you'll end up with a real mess on your hands.

Avoid meth? Easy to say when you don’t live in Barstow!

So many pearl clutchers on this thread! My brother did meth for three years twenty years ago and is now CEO of his own company and has a wife and three children. He's definitely not 'best avoided'. People can change, as this thread proves.

Cool.

They can change, and it does happen, but the odds are stacked against the user. People do win in casinos, but not very often. The House always wins in the end...

R455 I don't believe you.

R458 I'm inclined to agree. Its possible but unlikely. Meth fucks most people up bad sooner or later

Actually, for the record, I was a 4 times a year user for about 5 years, and I have made it through and stopped.

Meth always wins because even the guys that stop using are constantly craving it and wishing for the good old days of using it like R432.

I meth you most of all.

Have any posters relapsed yet?

I just found out a friend of a friend went into a depression after his husband died - and a few months later went to a party and apparently did meth for first time and overdosed. He was dumped on a sidewalk in Miami - presumably by someone with whom he did the meth. The coroner said he died of a meth overdose. Scary - the guy was only 49.

Don't do Meth. Please.

R464, not to underplay the severity of meth abuse which is off the hook right now and is a problem the gay community is willfully ignoring, but to die of a meth overdose is from injection or the vernacular “point(s)” and the amalgam of various conditions that can lead to heart failure. Most meth users are smoking it and you can’t overdoes from smoking.

Thanks r466 . I and friends have been dubious about the coroners report saying he died of a meth overdose. We believe the Miami police and coroners just saw a gay guy dead who had meth in his system and failed to properly investigate the case. There was a camera showing some guy letting him out of a car onto a sidewalk where he just collapsed. The guy lied to them repeatedly and said he just met him at a party - the cops never followed up or investigated.

It’s so odd that no one ever knew him to do meth. We believe that in the grief after his husbands death he could have decided to say f**k it and tried it. But the circumstances and the absence of any effort by the police to investigate made us all skeptical of the “meth overdose” cause of death.

I’ve known too many over-40 gay men who decide to do meth due to depression and hopelessness of being an eldergay. It ain’t easy getting old as a gay man - but in my experience it does get better once you accept that the gay “lifestyle” is not what life is about. So much more to appreciate about life other than sex and having fun.

Couldn't people who have a predisposition for coronary ailments, conceivably die from smoking it? Of course, not everyone know they have a cardiac problem

Agree R468. Though person I knew was in shape, worked out and otherwise healthy - no history of cardiac issues. I’ve heard of coke giving otherwise healthy people heart attacks if done in excess - maybe meth can too?

Any methhead that convinces another person gay or straight to try meth should be put into an airtight chamber and gassed with it.

Tina Turner? Tina Arena? Tina Cousins?

Dumb question to "casual" users: why use meth when coke produces similar effects and doesn't take as much toll on your body & mind? Is it because the former is significantly cheaper & long lasting?

Horrifying "Before and After" Tina pic.

Where do you get it? I’ve never known one user or dealer.

R474 I live in a midsized Midwestern city and it’s quite prevalent. A teacher in town does it. After a few months you just know who does it. And stay the fuck away!

[quote] Dumb question to "casual" users: why use meth when coke produces similar effects and doesn't take as much toll on your body & mind? Is it because the former is significantly cheaper & long lasting?

R472, IME, meth and coke produce different effects. Meth didn't really give me a rush, but did give me a general sense of well-being and motivation. Coke did give me a rush and I could handle alcohol better while on coke.

Also, IME, gram for gram, prices were about the same. People say coke's effects don't last that long. IME, coke lasted a long time in that you had to wind down from it (can't just go to bed and fall asleep that easy).

Coke made me euphoric; meth just made me not sleepy.

OK, I’ve deleted three paragraphs of preaching and you’re welcome.

I’m avoiding the most beautiful man I’ve ever met because he’s a meth head and he’s begging for a relapse and I can’t help him.

One of the most dangerous people you can ever meet is an attractive, well hung meth head. Even if you just use meth recreationally, you’ll be shooting up with him and his using buddies in no time! Move it along, toots and ghost him, ESPECIALLY if you think you might have a problem with meth too.

If someone is injecting, there's nowhere to go from there. Stay away.

He bragged about injecting in his neck.

💎💉😬

Meth is a sign of the (end) times. It is Satan's work

It sounds like once someone gets hooked, they stay hooked or stay clean while wishing they were using which, is both sad and terrifying.

Sadly the pandemic has not helped to combat gay men succumbing to its use. I was chatting w/someone on Grindr, initially asking about his bold "On Deck" title in profile and indifference to police entrapment or contributing to others' addiction. He said business has never been better (especially given the app's captive audience and target consumers), and rarely gets reported by other app users.

On Deck? what does that mean?

R486 Doesn’T sound good does iT?

r486 I didn't know either til looked it up

Why is Tina so huge in the fitness/gym community?

R489, meth is completely antithetical to health and wellness, but it does give one energy!

[QUOTE] Why is Tina so huge in the fitness/gym community?

A lot of meth guys gym because they want to look for for the 72 hour sex marathons they start on Friday. The body may look good (for now) but it won’t be long before they get the Protease Pouch and facial wasting.

That shit is scary!

R491 is posting from 1998

He may be posting from 1998 but he's still right about the consequences, the biology of what meth does to you hasnt changed since 1998

Meth would have given you Protease Pouch and facial wasting in 1998, and it'll do exactly the same to you today. And likely will in 2045 unless the meth scourge is eliminated

R494,you are completely wrong. The side effects of HIV medication and meth use are completely different, To equate the two means you a fucking uneducated idiot! Both you and r491

The rush you get from injecting is overwhelming - check out pnp vids on sites like Pornhub, and you can see people get the “meth cough” when it kicks in (lungs feel ice cold) and then get the crazed look in their eyes.

After that immediate super rush, I would always start sweating profusely and my mind immediately went to sex. I recorded messages on sex lines to meet strangers, would cruise the apps (especially Nasty Kink Pigs). For the next two days I would constantly go on pr0n sites to jerk off - and I mean nonstop.

But...I’d immediately lose my hard on (meth causes decreased blood flow to the dick, and also makes it difficult to piss because the tubes just go into spasm). It’s a bottom’s dream drug because you can just get fucked endlessly for a couple of days, and no one cares about your limp dick in the sling.

For me, I didn’t like smoking (“what will it do to my lungs?”), so I went straight to injecting meth. Easy to get syringes/ filters/sterile saline from pharmacies or the local harm reduction center. Had some friends who were experienced slammers, and showed me how to backload and filter syringes to keep from injecting larger particulates. Lost weight because I just had no appetite - it wasn’t that food wasn’t appealing, I just had no hunger.

I lasted about a year on it and one day just decided that it was taking too much time from life to come down from. I could see myself becoming irritable and generally emotionally labile in my daily life. I wasn’t working at the time (disability), so I had plenty of time to slam and recover without any responsibilities, but it was taking 3-4, then more like 5-6 days of being strung out and exhausted afterwards.

For me, I think I had a resilience that allowed me to focus more on the latter bad effects. I realized I was getting older (50s), and this just wasn’t sustainable. Never went to rehab or meth support groups. I just kept on increasing intervals between slamming and “forcing” myself to think about how badly I felt recovering.

Every time I fantasize about using now, I immediately think, “yeah, but remember how shitty you felt afterwards for days?” There has to be that counterpoint for the incredible feeling of “being on top of your game” while using.

So even if you get off meth you constantly daydream about using it? It sounds like once a guy starts using they are changed forever which is really sad to think about.

Meth is hell. You try to be a good, fun guy and end up as a pathetic liar an a physical and emotional wreck. You can stay sober four 2 years and suddenly relapse . It’s everywhere in the gay community.

The weak always find their way to the drugs. Doesn’t bother me.

R497, speaking for myself only, I wouldn’t characterize it as always requiring slamming meth as your “go-to” fantasy.

That has faded for me as time has passed. I feel it it’s more like remembering a really intense sex session, which has been ass play and BDSM (lite). Meth had been a part of that, but other scenes in porn have replaced it.

Honestly, what was tough for me was fantasizing about the ritual of preparing your dose, putting on the tourniquet, getting a blood register (flash), then physically pushing the plunger without it getting in your skin (which hurts like fuck and causes tissue necrosis if not diluted enough).

THAT was more arousing more than the sexual aspects for awhile. I would watch vids of guys slamming without caring about the post-slamming sexual antics. Again, that’s faded for me.

Plus I’ve found that about 20 mg of cannabis edibles closely approximates a meth high, is much, much safer, and goes away in a couple of hours (not 5 days).

R500 - You’re drug knowledge/experience is terrifying! I’m so glad you’re still alive.

Thank you R500.

Sorry, meant thank you R501.

I’m assuming One who’s Been There is Hiv +

R504, I have been for many years prior to using meth. Up until that point, I’d only used cannabis and very rare cocaine use.

I had a doctor tell me one time, meth and cocaine are the absolute worst drugs for your heart/cardiovascular system.

That's cold R499

It almost makes me glad there aren't any other gay guys around here.

Is it true that if a hot straight guy gets on meth eventually he’ll bottom for you and suck a dick for another hit? I heard Meth is that addicting. Anyone seen these transformations?

R508, yes that is true, meth is now sexual currency. Provide meth for them and eventually they will do whatever you want for more meth. Str8 for PnP.

I dabbled in meth a number of years ago. Those who progressed and stayed with slamming often lots their jobs and friends. All they thought about was nasty sex. A few crawled back from that abyss and re-started normal life. A few stayed in that world without any hope.

Meth sex videos are awful because there actually isn’t much sex. It a lot of starting and stopping and doing more drugs.

There’s an orbit with meth that’s terribly difficult to break, when you get sober, if you go to Crystal meth meetings it’s all other meth addicts (some are hot) and then you have addicts that use the program to slow their usage but not really quit.

Also, if you’ve lost everything and your family or husband doesn’t support you, most are doing sex work, which relies on a vein of meth use by the clients. There’s also the PNP culture where a hot body or face are currency. It’s hard to turn away from that for a normal job and sobriety.

I’ll have ten years of sobriety from meth in September and one of the most shocking things is seeing people I went into Program with STILL counting days after all these years. It’s sad and alarming.

I’m against using meth and regret the toll it takes on gays.

But the “one hit and you’re addicted/soon going to die in torture” shithead needs to take it down five notches.

I tried meth ONCE 20 years ago, didn’t like effect it had on my body and never went back. I’ve always had fuckbuddies who do meth without me, too.

There was a similar Chicken Little on DL who told me my days were numbered and it’s only a matter of time before I go back to meth because I “need” it now.

But that was about 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO and I’ve still not returned to the stuff. I hated the body soreness for days and failed to see the appeal of scatterbrain and never getting tired when high.

Hysteria and misinformation doesn’t help and it’s not sustainable.

[QUOTE] one of the most shocking things is seeing people I went into Program with STILL counting days after all these years.

what do you mean? Are they up to like 2,400 days or something like that? If so, then whatever works for them. Or do you mean they keep having slip ups and they go back to like, 7 days or whatever?

At any rate, counting days seems like a constant reminder of using the substance. I wouldn’t be surprised if seeing a large number leads to some exhaustion with the effort.

R514, Counting days= under 30 days of continuous sobriety. It also means that you’re using the Program more for harm reduction and hanging with other meth using buddies than actually staying sober. Yep, it gets exhausting.

Rather than stigmatize, a calendar year of sobriety showed me I was able to handle whatever life doles out without drinking or drugs through all four seasons.

I went to a SCA meeting recently and they read out the tenets of the group and it was like God, God, God, God etc.

If there WERE a God, he certainly wouldn’t be making me suffer with sexual compulsion. I’m MAD at God.

R513 is on meth right now

Blow it out your ass, r517. You don’t know a goddamn thing about anybody.

I, on the other hand, know you’re a hysterical pussy and a troll with hypomania.

No wonder your mental illnesses are always acting up — you’re so absolutely opposed to drugs that you won’t take the psych meds your doctor ordered!

You need a fucking Zoloft, dude.

Yep, definitely tweaking

R513 - Are you currently high? I’m a psychology major and many of the statements you made are defensive. Denial is dangerous. Please get help now if you are using. “Management” of these kinds of substances never ends well.

I haven’t done meth in over a decade but the meth/fueled sexual encounters I had do dominate my jerk off thoughts.

Yes, the sex is intense—and can’t be mimicked by sex without drugs.

That said, it gets old—you meet lots of crazy down and out people (and yes have sex with them). I stopped because the meth just didn’t give me the rush it would at the beginning. Thankfully I didn’t start slamming it because turning away from that would be far harder.

A friend who did meth recreationally went to a few NA meetings. He said it was often a place to find other meth heads to hook up with.

When he moved to a new city, he went to a NA meeting at the local gay center, and he said the people we completely different—totally broken people. It convinced him that his life wasn’t all that bad so stopped going

So fat meth dealers are getting their pick of hot and blown out asses (both straight, bi, and gay). I can’t stand drug dealers but it must give them a rush to have that level of control.

r521 speaks truth.

“Meth equals instant addiction, permanent damage and death” is the only answer I’ll accept from people who know better before I stop badgering them.

R520 = r517, etc.

Safe to assume that Z@c Efr0n might be a meth whore given his skid row incident . Wasn't 3ric D@n3 smoking crack or Meth in his sex video with his wife and some other chick? That infamous Cocaine Celeb Tea thread on DL talked about broke celebs like Ry@n She3ckl3r was putting out to the gay drug dealer for some coke. Not sure if it was just getting or giving head or presenting hole, but if coke can have bitches acting like whores then there must be some great celeb Meth stories.

R527 - why @re you typing in c@de?

After all this time, does anyone think the OP has bothered to learn yet what "decimated" means?

I believe not.