I don't think I'll come out

Hello Ben Shapiro

You're fucked.

Have you considered transing?

You could just marry a woman who’s okay with you being with guys on the side

Do you want me to fuck you silly, my baby Ben?

Marry and breed with a lesbian.

You will likely be unhappy for the rest of your life. Sad.

You can't have everything. If you can find a woman you love, you could do worse.

You're a coward OP. End of story.

Eventually this will lead to seedy meth-fueled trysts at trashy hotels. Enjoy!

Shame on you, motherfucking coward.

TYPICAL BI. I hope you life is full of suffering and frustration, as it will be.

[quote] You could just marry a woman who’s okay with you being with guys on the side.

Cause there's just so many of THOSE around.

Why do you want a wife so so bad?

FF THIS THREAD!

Do you connect with women in a non-sexual way? Can you imagine spending the rest of your life with a woman and seeing her without makeup; her soft and Rubenesque lumps and bumps the object of your Eros? Are you driven mad and become absolutely beguiled by inexplicable outbursts of illogical instability?

Hi Chris Burrous Jr.!

Considering how much DL fetishizes closeted "straight men," you should be popular here, OP.

Stupid OP. You can have a husband and kids these days.

Chances are you will end up alone so work on building and maintaining solid friendships and curate a varied porn collection.

So many guys I knew in junior high and high school married women they didn't love and had kids. They then came out after HIV stopped being a death sentence. They have been miserable their whole lives.

Cheer up, OP. Men suck ass. I’m the gayest gay that ever gayed and I wish there was a better option for the object of my affections. That being said, well, que será, será. Let’s zoom out a bit a remember that attachment is the root of all suffering and sooner or later you and I will both be dead and gone forever. Tschüss.

OP is apparently posting from 1955.

I totally respect your decision OP.

OP, don't do that. Find a safe place where you can talk about that.

I wanted a traditional family when I was in my early 20’s. Thank GOD it didn’t happen. I’d have killed my self by now.

Plenty of purple come out and lead miserable lives too.

Don’t be a dumbass - get a HUSBAND and kids

Fuck you Ben Shapiro! Might as well kill yourself now, you self-hating piece of shit.

There! Fixed it for you, R1

OP, are you able to fall in love with a man? I enjoyed sex with men but aren't emotionally attracted to them. I've been happily partnered/now married to my wife for 32 years. Life is good.

Do what ever makes you happy.

What about the other colors R27???

What about THEM!

Do you still sleep with men R30?

Why are some of you...I'm looking at you, R7, R11, R12, and R15...so triggered over someone making a choice other than what you made? Why does he have to validate you and your personal decision such that, if he chooses something else, he is garbage?

OP does not realize how antigay propaganda has infiltrated his mind.

R30 not that it matters, but how would you say you identify? My ex dated women exclusively well into his 40’s before getting involved with men and he said that he was very much in love with a few of the women he dated. Now in his later 50’s, he said that his attractions have shifted to men and that he identifies as gay. I used to bug him about it because I felt that he wasn’t gay. Maybe I just need to live a bit longer (I’m 30) but it bothers me a bit.

[quote]Eventually this will lead to seedy meth-fueled trysts at trashy hotels. Enjoy!

Don’t forget the disco lights and gimp mask!

For Ben Shapiro, Mor is less.

I'll be posting evidence of what bisexuals are doing within the counselling/therapy profession to Datalounge soon. If you bisexual idiots and those who identify as gay who are in fact bisexual (and there's a significant amount of these narcissistic fuckers inside the gay community), think you are going to continue to gaslight actual gay men; just know the evidence of your parasitic infection upon gay men is growing more and more!

Do what you gotta do but please at least be honest with the poor woman and expect at some point she will want a man who can please her, leave you and you will only get to visit your kids on weekends and pay a lot of child support and be poor until they turn 18.

OP: seek counseling, not off handed opinions from DL. You cannot hide who you are forever. You can marry a woman, have kids, but much much later (25 years ), realize you have been content in a sexless marriage, and even your wife has normalized the marriage.

You leave. Your wife will understand, but you will have broken the hearts of every family member. Don’t do it.

Are you Andrew Gillum?

While I do believe OP is a troll I thank him for bringing up the issue.

People who argue in favor of the closet already know that their lives are going to suck so bad. They seek society's approval by having a wife and kids and yet they also crave a dick in their mouth or ass. For a great deal of them they ask, on a subconscious level, for their lives to be as miserable as possible by resenting their wives and kids (having to spend their hard-earned money on these useless and ungrateful pieces of shit) and having dirty, vile, humiliating, unfulfilling sex with random strangers making you feel even more like shit.

Basically people believe they don't deserve happiness and ask for affirmation that they don't deserve happiness. That is the life of a closet gay.

R30 is on point. It matters who you are emotionally attracted to OP. That's all. I enjoyed sex with women but found I was emotionally attracted to men. Ergo, I'm gay.

Are you hawt?

That's all that matters.

-10/10...try harder, op

Thanks for the support. I'm not a troll. I grew up in a small blue collar town. Now, I am a white collar professional in a fairly large city.

I love women because there is a certain thing about them I love. My ideal woman is successful, career oriented, knows the difference between Merlot and Malbec, Wagner and Tchaikovsky, and feels that work and doing good for the community is more important.

But my ideal guy is a Hispanic blue collar guy, like a construction worker. Something about them being laid back and calm is nice. I'd definitely be the bread winner than that does not bother me at all.

I'm a Libra- which is a very indecisive sign. I'm an indecisive person.

What a horrible thing to do to another human.

R47 what do you mean?

R46, op this aint it bro. this is dumb.

R46 Honey, you ping to high heaven. I bet your eyebrows are more stylized than the St. Louis arch.

R48, marrying a woman knowing your attraction is to me. Especially knowing this BEFORE entering any sort of relationship.

If OP is willing to pay the price of staying in the closet in order to have a hetero marriage and family, what can we say? Can he fulfill what is needed - stay faithful, be a provider, be a good dad. I know I cant. But we are all different.

After all, who knows what is going on in anyone's head. As the Chinese say, a marriage is two people sleeping in the same bed dreaming different dreams.

R46 One other thing, if your dream woman can't figure out the difference between Wagner and Tchaikovsky then we've got bigger problems. How about the difference between Ernest Chausson and Reynaldo Hahn? You know, Reynaldo had a self-hating, homophobic period and he probably thought he was super masc (although he was as gay as a goose). Ask her which one was getting his tight little bussy tenderized on the nightly by Marcel Proust.

R46 OP, sounds like the public-facing life you imagine for yourself (with the well-educated, cultured, accomplished, community-minded wife) is at odds with what you want when no one's looking. That's a recipe for disaster because the truth will out. You can only keep up the front for so long before it comes tumbling down, at which point you will be in for more heartbreak, humiliation, and despair than if you had been truthful to yourself in the first place.

I think you should figure yourself out first and decide who YOU want to be before deciding who you want your mate to be.

Just make sure you don't let on to your gay hookups that you're gay too. If you pretend to be straight they'll be lining up for blocks.

OP, I think if you are attracted to men, you should pursue a relationship with a man. It would be unfair to both you and a wife to marry someone you’re not attracted to physically. Be true to who you are.

Frankly, as a woman, I believe women in general are more difficult to live with than are men. They’re more emotional, and, I suspect, more demanding. I have a son who is gay and I hope he finds someone who loves him. I have often thought his life will be easier with a male partner, assuming he finds one (he’s still very young).

Why not tell the wife? Would that be a deal breaker?

I am attracted to women physically, too.

R58 Op, go find a man who is bisexual or a woman who is fine with your bisexual tendencies. Then, you won’t run the risk of your male partner feeling left out by the fact that he’s only gay (if that were to be an issue). Trans for trans, bi for bi, gay for gay, etc.

Married gay for married gay.

You're the same dumb bitch who started the other thread bitching about wanting a wife and kids? Lol Get fucked dumb bitch.

R33, This is a gay board. We're not interested in validating OP's mental problems.

FUCK YOU OP. You got crossed out! WEAK ASS BI COWARD. I hope you end up on the news because the female you end up with finds out about your deceit and cuts your dick off!

Op, I am in the same boat as you. The vitriol from the gold star gays on the DL is bizarre to me. We all know about the "spectrum" so I don't why some gay men freak out over MEN being bisexual, but not over women being bisexual, but whatever. I have never "labeled" myself as Gay or Straight, because I don't want to have to "commit" to any single label. I can't. It would feel inauthentic.

As I grow older, I've noticed that my physical attraction to older men has grown, while my physical attraction to women, around my age, has waned. Now, that I am 50, I have to ask myself who do I want to spend my time with. After a certain age, it's all about companionship. Not sex. If you're young, be open and try dating a guy and be honest with him. But keep in mind, he will probably be "out and proud" and may not be comfortable being introduced as "my FRIEND so-n-so" when you're actually more than friends.

I, myself, have no romantic feelings for men, but find men incredibly sexually/physically desirable. But that's all. I've tried to imagine a life where I'm in love with a man, but I just can't get there. I don't know why. Maybe I've just never met "the one". But I've had two Long Term relationships with women and didn't feel completely "present" on every level in those relationships either. We're complex creatures and you just have see what's out there.

[quote] You can have a husband and kids these days.

But that’s just so... FAGGY.

R65 And there we have it, the BI SCUM further shows EXACTLY why us actual gay men LOATHE YOU MOTHERFUCKING BISEXUALS. If it's so "FAGGY" to you you sociopathic, homophobic motherfucker, STOP POSTING ON OUR GAY WEBSITE YOU FUCKING NARCISSISTIC SHITHEAD, and creating these Bi threads. WE DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT YOUR FUCKING TIRING BISEXUALITY, AND HOW YOU ONLY FALL IN LOVE WITH WOMEN.

r66 CALM. THE. FUCK. DOWN.

If you can't get control of your emotions, how are you going to sit still during ZOOM school?

No more METH for you, mkay?

Has anybody ever heard of a guy who is only into women sexually but guys romantically? Me neither. Why are there so many guys who are into men but not “INTO <3” men?

Yes. I knew a guy who identified as "gay", but loved fucking women! He was an unbelievably hot surfer. Said he'd never date a woman because they're too emotionally needy and too clingy. Everyone used to try to convince him that he was straight, but he vehemently denied it.

R69 wtf that is bizarre. Sounds like bisexual-level pathology

He was the most sexual person I've ever met. He was so gorgeous, literally, ANYONE would sleep with him. Male or female. Gay or straight. (well, mostly straight!)

He fucked a lesbian couple!

It is sociopathic bisexual pathology R70. Every last one of them is like this. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

R71 He is a fucked up bisexual identifying as "gay". And the "lesbian couple" he fucked, aren't lesbians!

It was a queer three-way! Stop your literal oppression and violence R73

R74 I will do anything to take down and expose BTQ+.

Promise to come back and tell us what your new girlfriend or wife says when you tell her you're lusting after the pool guy.

We'll see how sophisticated she is then.

How is this important OP? Troll thread

OP I bet you will love feeling you and your woman’s lips make contact when you suck on the bell-end of your bull’s dong when you are getting cucked

R75 what solution do you propose?

Do you love women OP, or do you lust for women? If you just love them as friends you'd better stick with what your loins yearn for. Anything else would never work out in the long run.

R79 my methods are unorthodox. To get rid of BTQ+ from LG in today's climate of BTQ+ pandering and trans enabling from the extremely corrupt and wealthy, requires significant pushback that only the strong like myself can undertake. I can't discuss it here. It will get Muriel's heartstrings towards BTQ+ scum triggered.

Bottom line, stay tuned for things happening in the media, political scene, and news regarding the fight to eradicate BTQ+ from LG. Especially next year and 2022.

R81 what are your thoughts on LGB Alliance

R82 it's helpful a bit. But the "B" aren't doing anything to actually fight the TQ+. Like per usual, bisexuals have just been added to the group without actually doing a fucking thing to help LG fight, whatsoever. They were added because of sexual orientation, but they are still fucking TQ+, so it's completely contradictory. Bisexuals undermine gay rights and homosexuaity similar to trans, and bisexuals try and coerce gay people into being attracted and sexual with trans people. Because of the prevalence of bisexuals identifying as "gay" this is gaslightting gay men and lesbian women, especially when these bisexuals operate in the counselling/therapy profession.

I'll be making a thread of the gay identifying bisexuals in the counselling/therapy profession who are are creating trauma for gay people and gaslightting gay people into embracing homophobic transgender ideology.

[quote] Yes. I knew a guy who identified as "gay", but loved fucking women! He was an unbelievably hot surfer. Said he'd never date a woman because they're too emotionally needy and too clingy. Everyone used to try to convince him that he was straight, but he vehemently denied it.

Did he have a job? Or was he a professional athlete? What does he do now?

I think he was a grifter. Probably an escort! Lol.

From what I was told at the time, He came from money, so he was a free-spirit who never had a care in the world. I have no idea where he is today. I wish I knew his last name, so I could look him up! It's been 20 years.

R14 probably the same reason most straight men want a wife--unpaid domestic help, and a live-in carer when they get old.

[quote] Frankly, as a woman, I believe women in general are more difficult to live with than are men. They’re more emotional, and, I suspect, more demanding.

R56 i'm whEeZINg.

How long have you been single, honey Frau? Hetero men are just babies trapped in adult primate bodies. If they get angry or upset they either start smashing everything in sight or they go into a complete BSOD. They must have all their needs and expectations met otherwise they start making threats (passive or aggressive, either way). Plus they create enormous amounts of physical mess and emotional carnage just by existing.

Yes, women gossip, and some stir shit or have histrionic meltdowns. But the majority -- not talking about the abusive/abused, messed up BPD cases, here - clean up after and explain themselves and apologise.

R82 I look forward to your thread! It's sure to set off some fireworks around here.

R87 Either you have never lived with a woman or you ARE a woman. Please. Only someone with a uterus/dudegash would have written what you just wrote. Please. Spare us.

[quote]Op, go find a man who is bisexual or a woman who is fine with your bisexual tendencies

OP is a flaming gay bottom if you haven't noticed.

You’re a failed sleuth, r87. I have been married over 25 years. Our children are now grown, with only our youngest still at home. My husband has never been a grown child. In fact, his mother once told me he was never a child.

I do agree with a previous poster that most women care for men. That has never been the case in our marriage, we’ve mostly been equal.

I came here for actual advice, but you guys just want to mock me. Show some class and actually be considerate.

Most of you are probably Boomers or older and understand the struggle and complications that could arise. Imagine being 20 something and struggling with your sexuality and being told “there is always suicide.” What a terrible, tasteless, and tacky thing to say to someone.

What if I actually did it?

R92 You don't deserve to be treated as class. You are the opposite of class. You are a fucking coward with no balls or a spine, bitching to us on our gay website about your fucked up bisexuality. We are sick and tired to death of bisexuals and tranny freaks. You'll never have anything sorted in your life, because you are bisexual and nothing about bisexuals is ever sorted. You are a fucking permanent bipolar mess. You'll remain that way until you die. Go bitch to your bisexual kin about your bisexual bipolar and sociopathy. With then you'll find likeness and understanding because they are just as fucked up as you. Now get the fuck off this gay website!

R93 I was not trying to upset anyone and I apologize if I have. I hope you will forgive me, I’m just trying to figure life out, too.

R94: You are a liar! You stated the following quote:

"I love women, but I love men in bed." (some variation of that line)."

"That is my life."

If you only use men for sex and women for love, you are FUCKING TRASH and a permanent mess! It might be your life, but us gay people don't give a fuck about hearing or knowing about your bi issues with divisions of how you love one sex but fuck another sex! It's sociopathic, unstable, narcissistic, and you are only a liability and a danger to the feelings of gay men and straight women.

op is faggy. embrace it, gurl!

Oooh this is getting nasty. I'm gonna watch me some Ronny Chieng. Good luck op!

R96 Hear, hear!

OP- It's not about sexuality, it's about integrity. You need insight to clarify who you are and what you want. Your circumstance is not unusual. Get a bisexual therapist and work it out ASAP. What you think you want now can change in an instant. There are a lot more variables than you have thought of. You sound a little naïve, which is understandable because you are trying to figure it out.

Ask yourself, "Do I love pussy?" There are a lot of men who get married and can fuck pussy for awhile, but after a few years are completely bored with it. The attraction to Hispanic men is also telling. I GUARANTEE you'll be more interested in the busboy's uncut pinga, than your wife's critic of the Opera you just sat through.

^And she WILL notice. Cindy Crawford and Richard Gere had this exact fight at a restaurant, if I recall. Something like, "I'm trying to tell you something important and you're more interested in the busboy!"

For me- I chose to marry the busboy 20 years ago. It has it's limitations also, but I knew I couldn't sit through a dinner with my wife's family, waiting for the moment to escape and cop a feel in the men's room, or some other degrading act. Or, entertaining on the lanai, talking about mutual funds and the taxes in Connecticut, while lusting for the gardener next door. Things that look hot in porn can be revolting in real life. Also, she was RICH and loved me and accepted my gayness. No one gets to have it all. Grow up.

Ignore these morons, OP. There are a handful of very loud idiots on here who have never heard of the Kinsey Scale.

R95 As much as we probably don’t like to hear it, this thread is evidence that there are men out there who aren’t as interested in men romantically as they are sexually. Good thing for me and you is that there are men out there who love men inside and out 100%.

You know, for all you guys shit on lesbians for drama and sexual crises? We got over this long ago., and accept that there will always be a skein of slutty curious women who will play with us on the dl, but stay married to their menfolk and ostensibly faithful (or at least. stick with men). It’s nothing worth getting worked up over. Think of such people as tourists.

R103 "omg i love tourists so much" said no one, ever.

That's funny, I heard a similar story to R71. Annoying "drag queen" used to call himself gay said he had had a threeway with two lesbians, and a relationship with a straight guy, he kept on insisting the straight guy was REALLY REALLY STRAIGHT and he was the ONLY guy he was into..... also claims straight men love him in drag because he "passes" as a woman. LOL

Now that the narcissistic queen calls himself bi/queer he's always talking shit about gay men.

R105 Ugh, he sounds insufferable. Did anybody believe him and his antics?

R83, I always see Twitter bis saying if you're not willing to date/sleep with bisexuals you're "biphobic". They really are no different to Ts, who also say the exact same thing; Sleep with me or you're transphobic!

R106, He really is insufferable, you might know of him from Rupaul's drag show - Courtney Act. Almost all the queens on that show have become major narcs, they love validating each other's bullshit.

R107 We are at an impasse with this post-modern view on gender and sex. We have to realize that in order for either the 'T' or the 'G' to be placated, one in particular has to suspend their view of reality. The 'G' is transphobic and the 'T' is homophobic. Where do we go from here??

R106 Courtney Act?! No way! I do remember thinking how he seemed to have some sort of cluster B personality disorder when watching the show. I think people liked him less and less as the show went on. Quite striking before the charm wore off. Is Courtney a major narc? I think a lot of them have some major pathological neuroses a some level. Lol. But what do I know.

R106 Also unfortunate that he seems to be acting disfavorably to gay men. Strange trends going around.

OP(s): you must remember that DL is for amusement purposes only. Our amusement, not yours.

Don't EVER take this shit seriously.

OP,

We're not all boomers: I am a very young Gen X (OR the oldest millennial allowed under that definition). Since I'm 40, I've met and known loads of people in my life and seen all kinds of relationships (and been in a few, of course). And when I tell you that you won't find a woman (undamaged) who will put up with that, I'm telling you from experience. It's a set up for failure: it's a set-up for child support and children who will side with their mother because you cheated on her. It's not the idyll you think it is--being in a marriage with a woman won't solve your problems.

Talking to a therapist is a great idea--not because you're crazy, just because they have a lot of professional experience in what tends to lead to healthy situations and what doesn't. Try your best to make a healthy, honest life for yourself.

Hey there R113 <3,

Single mom of three here! Want to be in my undamaged bisexual poly queer relationship? I'm totally not a psycho bitch who will smash all your car windows and ruin your life when you start seeing men on the side. I promise!