The State of Texas is suing the States of Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania in the Supreme Court

The actual complaint:

According to conservative activists on Twitter (so, note the source) Florida may be filing its own, separate, suit either today or tomorrow.

Let Mexico take it back.

Mexico loves Trump.

Ken Paxton is a despicable excuse for a human, facing multiple charges himself.

Why is it only on Breitbart?

Yeah good luck with that. It’s over for Trump and has been for weeks.

R6 They apparently got handed the scoop, helps to be buddies with the Plaintiffs.

What does this mean? Is Trump gonna win?

Yeah, r8. Its showing up now

This is how civil wars start.

Ken Paxton

He doesn't look skivvy at all. Cruz is probably behind it since he is begging to present in front of SCOTUS. It is pretty smart of him. It would make him the front runner to replace trump and he might have the chops. And by chops I mean no soul, liar and only in it for himself.

This is a last minute Hail Mary filed by a guy who is under investigation by the FBI. The Texas solicitor general, who argues for Texas in the SC, didn’t put his name on this. This isn’t seeing the inside of SCOTUS for many reasons.

Still, this lawsuit is disturbing. The GOP are willing to subvert democracy to stay in power.

Cruz. What a man, the way he defends his wife and father.

R12, Cruz is smart, like Nixon was. Brains are more dangerous than Trump.

Yes, r9. that's exactly what it means.

Cruz is so gross and unlikable. He’d be a perfect Republican presidential candidate.

R17, those were Nixon characteristics too. Uncanny!

This is incredibly dangerous. I really think this is the beginning of the end of America.

This is ridiculous. You can’t sue another state for their election laws, shitty or not. Is New York going to sue North Carolina or Georgia or Florida for voter suppression?

Besides, as the Republicans reminded us in 20216, it’s about the Electors not individuals. They can fuck themselves. Or Heidi Cruz, if Ted prefers.

Another piece of garbage litigation. Think of all the things New York State could sue Florida over!

Can we sue the state of Texas for being stupid?

R21 and isn't.

[quote] He doesn't look skivvy at all.

What the hell does his underwear have to do with this?!

Notice how Nevada isn’t on this lawsuit? For the past 6 weeks the GOP has been screaming about Nevada’s absentee ballot laws so you’d think they’d be on the lawsuit right? Nevada has a democrat majority state legislator.

If scotus even entertains this then that’s the end of the country for good. Honestly, if the red states want to leave we should just let them go this time.

R13 I really don't see how suing in court "subverts democracy." You could say these are frivolous suits, they're wasting time, they're throwing everything at the wall hoping something sticks, but they are using to court system the way it was designed.

No, repeatedly filing nonsense suits that are consistently thrown out is not “using the court system the way it was designed”. It is tort abuse.

This is all a publicity stunt for lazy-eye Paxton to get a pardon from daughter-fucker Trump.

R2 The rumor mill:

This has relaunched my anxiety through the roof.

Why, r30?

Are you serious? It’s all hat and no cow.

R31 I've never heard that expression, but I love it.

What’s with the boxes next to names on Twitter?

Hat and no cow means what?

It means like a man who wears a cowboy hat and acts all big and fancy like some big ass rich rancher but he owns no cattle. All hat. No cows.

[quote] Hat and no cow means what?

It means he can’t afford a steak, Rose.

I don’t even think the handmaiden would go for this

The correct term is "All hat, and no cattle." It means someone who is all talk, with nothing to back it up.

[quote]Honestly, if the red states want to leave we should just let them go this time.

Agree. They can become the United States of Dumbfucks. And Trump can be appointed their emperor for life. Good luck taxing Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi...

My understanding is that the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction on this suit and will definitely hear it.

"When two or more states are locked in a dispute, however, the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction to gather and hear evidence much like a trial court. "

This is such a typical grandstanding, publicity seeking move on Paxton’s part. The legal arguments are just rehash bullshit that lower courts have already rejected. The legal arguments are pretty convoluted. This is simply an attempt to give Trump-poo his desired “day in court” in front of SCOTUS. Trump has this bizarre belief that he will automatically win before the Sups because his 3 appointees “owe him.”

Paxton is and embarrassment to the State and to the Texas Bar.

We could could build walls around the red state cities that want to remain in the same country as New York and California, etc. similar to how post-war Berlin was located in East Germany. Those outside would live under the theocratic dictatorship they so desperately want, those inside would live by democratic rules.

It's time to bring back the guillotine to start chopping off Republican heads. Starting with Ted Cruz.

This is such a typical grandstanding, publicity seeking move on Paxton’s part. The legal arguments are just rehash bullshit that lower courts have already rejected. The legal arguments are pretty convoluted. This is simply an attempt to give Trump-poo his desired “day in court” in front of SCOTUS. Trump has this bizarre belief that he will automatically win before the Sups because his 3 appointees “owe him.”

Paxton is and embarrassment to the State and to the Texas Bar.

Yes, but if Paxton plays fetch & begs for Dear Leader, Santa Dump might give him a pardon in his stocking to help him deal with this law enforcement problems. A disgraced TX politician (an it's no small thing to look like more of a cretin than Abbott) like Paxton has nothing to lose.

Where is Matthew McConaughey in all this? He needs to get TX sorted before taking on liberal Hollywood!

PLEASE learn how to quote, r44. It’s really not hard, honestly.

[quote] We could could build walls around the red state cities that want to remain in the same country as New York and California, etc. similar to how post-war Berlin was located in East Germany. Those outside would live under the theocratic dictatorship they so desperately want, those inside would live by democratic rules.

And no money would flow from Blue to Red. I’m done with these freeloaders.

The Attorneys General of the states of Louisiana, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Mississippi, Kentucky, South Carolina, and South Dakota have published officials statements today endorsing this suit.

It's unclear if they plan on participating in any official capacity. If recent trends are anything to go by, filings will be done around 1 a.m.

It is inconceivable, as a matter of law, that anything will come of this case besides abrupt dismissal. Texas has no standing to object to the managing of elections in other States; it's ridiculous for any State Attorney General to have filed such a case. I don't know if the Supreme Court is *required* to issue an order to that effect, since this is a case between States (they are fairly unusual, and the Sup. Court has jurisdiction of 1st impression over such cases, per the Constitution), but the Court will either refuse to hear the case, like it did today with the 2 cases filed earlier by Sydney 'Kraken' Powell in GA. and MI., or it will dismiss it for want of standing on the part of the plaintiff. No one in Texas can demonstrate any kind of injury via some speculative (unstated) "improprieties" in the management of the presidential election in another State. This looks to be the end of the road for Trump's bullshit, short of actual, open war somewhere.

The problem is, Trump’s goons now on the court don’t give a fuck about the rule of law.

R49, but they care about their reputations. That's why they crushed the Pennsylvania case today.

I don't agree, R49. The members of the Court have every reason to act so as to protect their own power. They are playing with fire here. The case will either be denied without further explanation, or dismissed for lack of standing with a little one-paragraph opinion. The Justices have a LOT to lose by meddling in this, and it could seriously fuck up the fabric of government. The Trump claims are so deranged they don't even merit serious discussion by the Court.

Supreme Court justices are beyond worrying about their reputations. They've made it, for life.

Their reputations are not the issue, their issue is whether their authority will hold up because of their actions. They have no power except the willingness of the people to respect their decisions. This is ultimately just a political dispute and the Court's policy is and has always been to stay clear of them to any extent that it can. I am willing to bet that all but maybe 3 of the current Justices loathe D. Trump, anyway.

The Supreme Court has already made their position clear that they will not be used for frivolous lawsuits like this. Good on them.

It's a constitutional challenge. You will all refuse to take this seriously until you're forced to.

I just read the Complaint, all the way through. I'm an attorney. It is a MOUNTAIN of bullshit. There is no cognizable injury stated anywhere in it, as a matter of Constitutional law. The prayer for relief is the disqualification of electors in 4 States. It is totally ridiculous. - R48, 51, and 53.

R56 Did you think Trump would be foud guilty of collusion and removed from office?

Is cute little flaming closet case Briscoe Cain behind this?

R56 I don't believe you read it, there's something you would have mentioned if you had.

[quote] The Attorneys General of the states of Louisiana, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Mississippi, Kentucky, South Carolina, and South Dakota have published officials statements today endorsing this suit.

[quote]It's unclear if they plan on participating in any official capacity. If recent trends are anything to go by, filings will be done around 1 a.m.

I’m not going to be able to sleep now. This fucktard and its sycophantic shitballs are giving me anxiety.

What? The shortest, littlest paragraph, which is the one that should have contained the factual allegations, if it weren't all just speculative crap? There is NOTHING to this suit. The authors of it are saying "Go ahead and disqualify the Electors who represent all those millions of voters, and THEN, after Trump is reaffirmed as President for 4 more years, we'll come forward with the evidence that backs up our claims about malfeasance in those other states." They are asking the Court to enjoin a US Presidential election. HORSESHIT.

R60, why? Tell me you are joking.

Here's video of our Indicted Attorney General stealing a fancy pen after going through a metal detector:

R62 I don’t know, maybe it’s Dump overload, but it just seems like they’re gathering and SCOTUS isn’t necessarily stacked in our favor, if you know what I mean.

Of course, I’m keeping optimistic, but I’m also remaining aware, cautious, and informed. Don’t want to be surprised into a heart attack or breakdown.

R64 That's wise.

Considering SCOTUS just turned down a Trump election petition today (and it seems unanimous), I doubt SCOTUS will take up this Texas case.

If it wanted to get involved, it would have with this last case

R66 They take these things on a... case by case basis.

r55 This is the kind of bullshit this insane asshole posts.

[quote]I mean, don't panic, but still be aware. Not to be alarmist, but Trump is taking protective actions against allied nations. The disputed voting software used by Dominion sent information through Canada and several EU countries before being processed in Germany.

[quote] I’m not going to be able to sleep now. This fucktard and its sycophantic shitballs are giving me anxiety.

You are either not well informed or trolling with fear porn. I'm guessing the latter or both.

[quote] What does this mean? Is Trump gonna win?

Yes, Rose. But on the plus side that means four more years of making fun of Melania's Christmas decorations.

As predicted, trump is saying this is the REAL scotus case and that the PA one had nothing to do with him.

I’m concerned that the court will feel they have to hear it because of mandatory jurisdiction but it doesn’t change the fact the the “lawsuit” is nonsense, Texas and any red state that joins has no standing, and they have no evidence to support the relief they’re seeking of throwing out tens of millions of lawfully cast votes. They need 5 votes to proceed, and only Thomas and Alito have dissented in the past saying it’s mandatory the court hear all state vs state cases no matter what

SCOTUS will ignore this one too

All the AGs from the states names are calling this a disgusting publicity stunt, not a true legal case

What standing does Texas have to sue the other states over elections?

NONE

Not to mention the Pandora’s box this case would open. It would allow blue states to sue states like Texas and Georgia for their racist voter suppression.

The lawsuit also fails to mention that Texas itself changed the voting laws because of covid.

Pardon bait.

Ken Paxton (r12) in a former life

Dump is making a list & checking it twice...

Jake Tapper @jaketapper 20m Email to every member of House GOP from ⁦ @RepMikeJohnson ⁩, R-LA, soliciting signatures for an amicus brief in the longshot Texas lawsuit seeking to invalidate electoral college votes from GA MI PA and WI. Trump is “anxiously awaiting the final list” to see who signs on.

The last thing SCOTUS wants to is to be branded as a partisan tool which would give much impetus for Biden to engage in court packing.

They are aware that this is a ridiculous case meant to allow Trump to continue to fleece his minions and thus will also unanimously refuse to hear it.

Even taking the Petition at its face value, it is still FATALLY flawed: the focal claim of the complaint is that the 4 defendant States somehow improperly changed their voting procedures due to a desire to make voting safer because of Covid19. Texas complains that the changes were CONSTITUTIONALLY improper (without at all explaining how or why as a matter of facts (which would ordinarily be important), but let's set that aside for now). The case DOES NOT complain about any such changes in ANY OTHER States, where Trump may or may not have been declared the winner. There is no reason given for this omission or selective complaining, nor is the fact of it acknowledged *anywhere* in the Petition. Even IF Texas had legal standing to complain (which it does not have), and EVEN IF everything it alleges in the Petition is true, they have conveniently ignored the fact that nearly EVERY State in the Country (and certainly including TEXAS itself) modified its voting rules and procedures because of Covid 19). See the Balletopedia attachment about this, below. These Texas Republicans are bitching about 4 States whose outcomes they just don't like, and that's all there is to this law suit. And let's be clear, not one shred of credible evidence has been produced that indicates anything shady happened in ANY of the four States they are complaining about. The Sp. Court will throw this case out, very soon, and very simply.

People who scream states rights are now trying to undermine states rights.

How on Earth do Republicans have any followers? It's just mind-blowing. There isn't a difference of perspective or philosophy anymore - it really is good vs. evil.

You're right R81, the Court will say, if it even gets that far, that the issue of the changes to the election laws in the various States are matters that VOTERS in those States should have complained about in State law suits, not in Federal Court (the citizens of each State would be the aggrieved parties). It's none of Texas's business, as a MATTER OF LAW, how Georgia (or Michigan, etc) selects its Electors. This is the very reason why the Electoral College exists...Like the law professor in Texas commented yesterday or the day before, this case is INSANE.

Additionally, Trump announced blithely today that he would be "intervening" in this case, whatever that may mean (and I'm certain he doesn't know, himself). The sooner the Supremes dispose of this stupidity, the better it'll be for all concerned.

[quote] Pardon bait.

That is absolutely part of what’s going on.

I hope they hear it (and I think they will) and put an end to this once and for all. I know they would rather not get involved, but they have to slap this down.

[quote] they have conveniently ignored the fact that nearly EVERY State in the Country (and certainly including TEXAS itself) modified its voting rules and procedures because of Covid 19

This made me breathe better. Thanks, R80!

[quote] And let's be clear, not one shred of credible evidence has been produced that indicates anything shady happened in ANY of the four States they are complaining about.

I’m sorry, r80, I have to fix this for you:

And let's be clear, not one shred of evidence has been produced that indicates anything shady happened in ANY of the four States they are complaining about.

Fixded.

"Texas has no standing to object to the managing of elections in other States"

How does Texas have any standing (or business) in the elections laws of other states. The Republicans need a chiropractor as this is really a difficult stretch.

17 states have signed a brief saying that they support Texas. It won’t change anything but this is pretty remarkable. They want SCOTUS to start a civil war.

These are dark times. I don’t see “unity” in our future.

How can Texas presume to interfere in the affairs of another state. Cruz's wife is not the only ugly person in that marriage.

They can’t R90. The lawsuit is nonsense. Every single election law expert on Twitter is saying Scotus will not go near this.

All of this nonsense to keep dirtball scumbag supreme Donald Trump in office. I don't get it. They wouldn't work this hard to keep somebody like Lincoln in office.

The entire State of Texas should be convicted of ASSHOLISM.

The country really just needs to break up. It’s obvious at this point.

None of those states actually joined the lawsuit. They’re just filing a brief saying Scotus should hear the case “because”.

Those 17 states are some of the poorest states in the country. They wouldn’t make it 6 months without blue states bailing them out. Blue states need to band together and refuse to supplement these states.

17 states? I can’t.

[quote] These are dark times. I don’t see “unity” in our future.

I am CONCERNED!

Apart from anything else, the Texas suit comes very late in the day. If the complaint were genuinely about electoral modifications then it should have been brought at the time those modifications were about to take place, or at least within a day or two. In fact this suit is brought by sore losers in the hope of appeasing The Base (and getting a pardon for Paxton and perhaps a few of his friends in need: scum of the Earth).

Some of the states that support this did the same thing that they’re arguing against. Hell, Texas did it! Abbott extended voting without the legislator. They only seem to have a problem in it in states that Biden won that have republican legislators.

Call me a fool but I think they all know this will fail which is why they aren’t joining and didn’t really endorse the actual lawsuit. I don’t think these red states want to actually open the gate so that California or New York can sue THEM for their voting laws.

And don’t get me started on trumps involvement. His “star lawyer” is the guy who think Kamala and Marco Rubio aren’t US citizens. His complaint is his Twitter feed written into a legal document.

Is Ghoulie out of hospital R99 or has Dump got someone else?

Additionally, Trump announced blithely today that he would be "intervening" in this case

TX got this dumpster fire roaring, now Dump is going to jump on the pile (as if that matters). While the case has no merit & isn't going any place, I hope that Roberts not just dismisses this case but gives TX a good hard legal smack down (it will be lost on them, but still...)

I have no problem with that at all, r101.

Provided the dumpster fire he dives into isn’t metaphorical.

[quote] I can’t.

Can’t what?

Stop typing in fucking fragments!

[quote] Abbott extended voting without the legislator.

Oh, dear!

The first page of the Bill of Complaint submitted reads like an eighth grade history class project. Or Giuliani. He's all Covidy right now so his stink isn't on this. Yet.

R103 I can’t.

The AG is probably looking for a pardon but he is up against State charges.

[quote] The country really just needs to break up.

I wish it would/could. I’d move to another country if I were able to. I’m so sick of all the nonsense. Half the country is certifiably insane and are holding the other half hostage. It’s existentially exhausting.

Isn't there a standing issue? How can TX have standing to sue?

Yes there is R109, read upthread.

[quote] The AG is probably looking for a pardon but he is up against State charges.

Then why doesn't the governor just pardon him then, and spare us all this on-going shitshow?

[quote] Your anger over fragments is sexy

Lemme tell you something, r106, I’m glad you find it sexy because that’s about the ONLY thing about me that could be considered sexy. So there’s that.

Luv ya anyway.

JFK lost Florida and Ohio and won the presidency. JFC do these people even know how to Google?

R110, if he’s being investigated by the FBI for securities fraud. I think those are federal charges that the governor wouldn’t be able to pardon.

[quote] Those 17 states are some of the poorest states in the country. They wouldn’t make it 6 months without blue states bailing them out. Blue states need to band together and refuse to supplement these states.

Many of these blue states and localities are in debt and won’t be supplementing anyone. If you are referring to the wealth of the states’ current residents and companies, many are supplementing the red states by relocating to them, and blue states haven’t figured out yet how to stop it.

I thought you have to go to court with clean hands. How is he not in violation of this?

Paxton's criminal charges are state charges. The SEC sued him in Federal Court but that was civil.

This is all so fucking embarrassing and disgusting. Over 2k Americans are dying every day from COVID, thousands more are losing jobs and homes and the Republicans are OBSESSED with overturning a fair election they lost to suck up to a whiner who wears makeup and lifts.

His makeup isn't even blended properly!

Paxton is also being investigated by the FBI for bribery. This is just angling for a Trump pardon.

The FBI investigation started thanks to whistleblowers in Ken's own office, such is his popularity with is workers. No FBI charges as yet. But if I am going to jail, I would rather do my time Club Fed rather than in the state lockup.

[quote] I thought you have to go to court with clean hands.

A quick trip to the powder room before going into the court should take care of that.

[quote]a whiner who wears makeup and lifts.

Bro, he doesn’t even lift, bro.

I hope the voters of each of those states recognise their reps are basically saying your vote doesn't count. We'll decide the outcome and not you.

Hopefully the voters will say we do and you are the first to go at the next election!

The lawsuit is complete BS, obviously, but it will probably inspire fascist terrorists to travel to the swing states Biden won so they can try to physically prevent the electors from voting next week.

That’s a question I have been asking of trumpers online:

Regardless of who you voted for, is it really ok with you that 9 people should decide an election that over 150 million people participated in?

Haven’t gotten a response yet.

r114 Why don't you stick to licking Boris Johnson's stinking asshole and praising the incompetent and corrupt Trafalgar Group pollsters? Blue states will always pay more federal income tax which will always be used to subsidize red states.

Trump filed a motion to intervene in this case last night. He would like to be a plaintiff.

I'm not a lawyer, but I've read several case documents in the last few days, and the wording of this came accross as unusually whiny and bitchy to me:

The State of Arizona filed its own separate amicus curiae brief yesterday, becoming the eighteenth state to join this suit.

Several more states are expected to sign amici curiae briefs today, bringing the total of states supporting as high as twenty-five.

Trump has asked Texas Senator Ted Cruz to argue on his behalf if the Supreme Court accepts this case, essentially nominating Cruz as his successor:

"Lyin' Ted?" Great choice!

R130 He's rebranded as "Lion Ted." I shit you not. He also makes zodiac killer jokes on Twitter.

The defendant states (Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Pennsylvania) have until 3 p.m. Eastern Time today to respond.

Trump will point out that Georgia could just concede the case and accept the consequence.

I wonder what the political fallout would be if one these states just conceded and refused to argue.

I have a hard time believing that would happen, but it can.

Here's the thing. I am sick to death of my FRIENDS (and some who fucking see Joe Biden every fucking day) telling me I'm a snowflake. Or I'm histrionic.

Bitch, please. OUR COUNTRY IS BASICALLY DONE (insert Shannon Beador screaming here for effect).

And NO ONE. NO ONE who is on the winning side is really doing anything. No one is shouting. I mean, MITT FUCKING ROMNEY has more balls.

Hunter Biden is all over FOX and he's not even an adviser like Ivanka or Jared.

And yet....Biden is playing nice?! Biden is hinting he won't even investigate WHAT THIS ASSHOLE HAS DONE TO MY COUNTRY when he takes power. Biden even suggested he'd have Republicans in his administration.

WHY???

Don't these stupid assholes know how to handle a fucking bully? JESUS FUCK. Trump will go away if we BULLY HIM BACK and his flock? Cowards and uber stupid. They. Will. Forget. Trump. and go back to fucking their daughters.

LET'S GET OBNOXIOUS! We fucking won. Where are our people? And enough with saying "The president misstated...falsely claimed". Fuck it. HE LIES say that. SAY HE FUCKING LIES. Say he KILLED PEOPLE. Say his own fucking revered conservative judge Aunt HATES HIM.

Play the Woodward tapes at a news conference and have someone who lost a loved one start crying.

ENOUGH being pussies.

I just can't with this pathetic Democratic Party. Always so fucking polite. Accommodating. "Oh, don't go there. Just let it lie" this fat asshole who works with Biden keeps telling me.

DUDE, they cheat. They lie. Let's do the same and get our agenda passed. Let's OUT Graham. Let's leak the video of McConnell getting his nuts twisted. I mean, I've seen Hunter's gross meth teeth whilst a whore jerks off his big cock with her dirty feet.

Where are the n word tapes that I KNOW Mark Burnett must have?? Can't some lib billionaire do damage?

Why are we (the winners) cow towing to the LOSERS? For his flock??? These idiots will vanish as soon as you shut Trump up. And yes, we do NOT need to wait until Jan 20. Grow some balls. BECOME A BULLY!

Why doesn't every Democrat across the country who lost this election cycle, from drain commissioner to Senator, hold a press conference to announce that they actually won in a landslide based on the same reasoning Trump uses -- it just "feels fishy."

It will meet the same fate as the other lawsuits. The aim here is not to overturn the election. They know they won't. The aim is to damage amongst people with malfunctioning bullshit meters faith in the electoral process, hold onto Trump's hatdcore base (which by no means includes every Trump voter) and to make things as difficult for his own party as possible AND for the actual winner ad possible.

It's a fairly simple divide-and-conquer strategy. Trump will never be his party"s candidate again, but I would not be surprised if these tactics are laying the foundation of a new far-right party.

Sowing doubt and discord is the aim, not overturning the election. Underneath it all, he knows that.

It isn't up to the Democrats to restrain him - that'sthe fence the GOP has to straddle. It is, however, up to the Democrats to start winning back the working class voters they lost.

If they fail to retake the Senate in the GA runoffs, given two sleazy and unappetising opponents, the Dems will have to review their messaging and strategies.

But the lawsuits will fail. In reality, these suits are an indication that Trump has mentally already left the WH. He's just running down the clock whilst maintaining his warrior image for his political future outside the "Establishment".

R136 I think, sadly, they're afraid of what they'd find if the vote was audited. They'd rather take the loss and remain in ignorant bliss.

The Republicans are grandstanding and popping their lapels like they've already won.

The AGs who have signed briefs are going full Atticus Finch in their solemn official statements. They think this case is going to make their careers.

R137 is right; the Bulwark also had a good article that Dump's intention is to keep the party in his clutches (think of how they turned on their former standard bearer, Mitt Romney) after his defeat so he'll have the role of King Maker (though he'll turn on that bitch Ted Cruz in a hot second), steal $$ from the MAGA-ites to fund his legal troubles and because act as a king in exile to get his way.

While this may be his *strategy*, I am hoping SDNY has some other ideas about how & where Dump will be spending his time.

If Democrats don’t win GA, Romney and/or Murkowski and/or Collins needs to grow a spine and caucus with the Democrats. Let the Democrats run the Senate, but they would need Republican votes to pass legislation.

Trump's piece of the lawsuit claims that "no candidate who has won Florida and Ohio has ever lost the election"

Only that's not true, Nixon won both states and lost to JFK.

That sort of sloppiness is not going to sit well with the Supreme Court.

Even if it was true that "no candidate who has won Florida and Ohio has ever lost the election", how is that relevant? That doesn’t count as legal precedence.

It's not even legal "evidence". It's legally a complete irrelevance, like most of what else is contained in their Petition. It's all bullshit.

[quote] the Bulwark

R137, the Bulwark? 🤣🤣🤣

[quote] cow towing

Oh, dear!

[quote] I think, sadly, [the Democratic candidates are] afraid of what they'd find if the vote was audited. They'd rather take the loss and remain in ignorant bliss.

I’m curious why you think this.

Hmmmm.

Yes R143 and R144 -- even if it were true, it would still be evidence of nothing.

The fact that is is not true makes it even more ridiculous.

This is yet another stunt because Trump knows the winged monkeys will keep giving him money and that other idiots will do his bidding because they're afraid not to.

R135, I’m with you all the way. I’m infuriated I’m not hearing jack shit from the Dems who should be mad as all hell right now.

Get angry, Dems! Multiple people are accusing you of treason and attempting to subvert the will of the people by stealing an election! Your response is, what, “oh, golly, those lawsuits are silly and frivolous”?

If I was as publicly accused of doing something horrific that I didn’t do, an entire team of wild horses would not be able to keep me from getting behind every fucking microphone I find and on every news outlet there is and shouting my innocence and anger and my derision at my accusers so loudly there would be no way I could be ignored.

R149 And likely making yourself look guilty in the process. Certainly giving more media coverage to the allegations.

There's a reason the right wing trolls keep trying to get Dems to comment and acting like it's scandalous they haven't.

Why would you think by denying an allegation, any allegation, it makes one seem more guilty? That makes no sense at all.

And I’m not only talking about denying just the allegations, I’m talking about getting angry with the accusations; spreading the news that ALL of these cases are being effectively laughed out of court with prejudice; and that he’s doing absolutely nothing other than this shitshow and golfing.

If I accused you of robbing me and you’re a public figure who may be seriously affected by my allegation, you’re not going to say, “Bullshit! I didn’t rob r151, and I’m offended at the implication”? You’d just say, “well, I better not say anything because that will put a spotlight on it and make me look guilty, even though I’m not”?

This is all really pissing me off now. These people just making me so fucking SICK... what the fuck is wrong with these awful, awful repugs? Seriously I just cannot grasp it. This ridiculous posturing is so damaging and dangerous. They hate America this much?

R150 is correct.

But this is DL, and many DLers like drama and can respond to threads like "what have you done to get revenge on someone who did you wrong" so don't be surprised by those who want DRAMA from their politicians

I am happy the Dems are just ignoring this nonsense. No need to even acknowledge this stupidity.

R149 "... that I didn't do..." is the key phrase there.

For you, R145

The articles are actually pretty good...

Meanwhile, yesterday there were 226,953 new Covid-19 cases and 3,265 deaths in the USA.

The defendant states will be expelled from the Union.

Say what, r158?

Why would the defendant states be booted?

R154, we have official Republican parties in states like Arizona literally calling for violence over this.

You don’t think the Dems should publicly condemn this?

[quote]And I’m not only talking about denying just the allegations, I’m talking about getting angry with the accusations; spreading the news that ALL of these cases are being effectively laughed out of court with prejudice

So you'd react the same way Trump would?

There’s a difference between being angry and showing it without being a buffoon about it. (Think, “will you just shut up, man!) It can also be done with a little decorum, which dump doesn’t know the meaning of. And how is reinforcing in the media the numerous court losses acting like him?

The defendant states have until 3pm today to reply.

Dallas Morning News calls for grandstanding asshole to resign...

Your leadership is also fueling cynicism, empowering conspiracy theorists who operate on accusation rather than fact, and enabling those who seek election confusion rather than clear, compelling and accurate election results. This is leadership unbecoming of your office. It is a disservice to Texans who deserve a well-run office of the attorney general and who depend on a fair administration of justice.

Our request is this: Immediately withdraw your lawsuit and make a public statement about the presidential election that is based on facts, note the results and who the next president of the United States will be, and then step back. We are already on record calling for you to step down from your office, so we will only note here that you are proving the wisdom of that position with each passing day.

R162 I'm not talking about Dems, I'm talking about the example you gave of how you'd behave if falsely accused. And how many people who act like buffoons do you think actually plan on acting like buffoons?

R131 I think not.

There’s so much work to be done. This baseless lawsuit is a distraction from everything else that is going wrong. There’s no reason to let Trump dictate how Democrats allocate their energy.

[quote]If I was as publicly accused of doing something horrific that I didn’t do, an entire team of wild horses would not be able to keep me from getting behind every fucking microphone I find and on every news outlet there is and shouting my innocence and anger and my derision at my accusers so loudly there would be no way I could be ignored.

You don't think I've thought this every single fucking day for the past 30 years? But unlike you, I understand that countering ridiculous allegations with righteous outrage, lawsuits, etc., is [bold]precisely[/bold] what the deplorables want their victims to do - because it vastly increases the flow of oxygen toward their burning crosses.

When someone accuses you of eating babies, you don't splutter, "How DARE you accuse me of eating babies!" and publish op-eds about how wrong it is to spread false accusations of baby-eating and threaten to sue anyone who accuses you of pediatric cannibalism.

Best to ignore them and rise above. I know it's hard, but it's what grown-ups do.

Also, screaming and yelling is meaningless in this context. This is not something the public is voting on. It’s an application to the Supreme Court. All screaming and yelling does is advertise Trump and his victimhood.

R168, I loved your latest book.

Biden must cut off federal aid to these states! A hurricane flattens Florida? Tough shit! You’re on your own is what I would say.

These states are all welfare queens. They bring down the national averages in literacy, education, BMI, productivity, life expectancy. They’re worthless states.

[quote] Biden must cut off federal aid to these states! A hurricane flattens Florida? Tough shit! You’re on your own is what I would say.

Then we’d be doing what we’ve been complaining Rump has been doing: only the president for red states, not blue. That’s why I could never be in politics. It’s not always expedient to do what should be done.

When a hurricane next hits FL or TX some blue states should immediately sue FL and TX and FEMA in SCOTUS on the basis that ... whatever ... adapt some of Ken Paxton's complaint ... just to make a difficult situation worse.

The cleverer thing to do would be to start a campaign to stop welfare states leeching off others, and have funds ringfenced to the state they came from. You just know that the idiot red states will think they're the ones being leeched off of. Also be interesting to see how the GOP would try and fight against something like that without admitting their states are so reliant on blue states for survival.

Future cancer corpse Rush Limbaugh is already saying red states should secede, r172. Why not give them what they want? Total FREEDOM from libtard socialist antifa BLM socialist Democrat socialists!

Splitting up the US is exactly what Russia and China want. It would weaken us significantly and cause chaos. The solution isn't to break up the US, it's to fix the issues that have created this authoritarian, false reality propaganda-led Republican party that is so damaging to democracy itself.

I don’t see a way forward with the Republican Party we have now. They’re that bad.

The trouble is, would the coastal blue areas be allowed to flyover the Trumpturd States or would the TS close their airspace unless paid bigly?

While Trump is alive we won’t have peace.

The great divide.

[quote] The cleverer thing to do

Oh, DEAR!

What's wrong R181. What's got you clutching your pearls this time?

This time John Roberts and The Supremes will go beyond issuing a one-sentence decision to these mouth-breathing confederate cretins; they are going to read them the riot act!

"If you ever attempt to bring this bullcrap before my Court again, I will beat you down so far you'll have to roll down your socks to take a shit!" Chief Justice Ed Earl Dodd

Latest: Stormy Daniels rehires Mike Avanatti in bid to intervene in Texas suit. Trump Tweets furiously that she us an "attention-seeker." COVID-Amy pours tea.

The State of Texas and those others joining in the food fest are basically arguing that states should have the same regulatory environment for the administration of elections.

Doesn't this confer greater power on a central federal authority to impose uniform election administration? And isn't that against a baseline Republican ideal of less central government vs. more decentralized local authority?

Has a central tenet of the Republican Party now changed? Does this open the door to start questioning the different state treatments of Planned Parenthood abortion clinics, etc, etc? Why are Democrats not asking this question?

Am I missing something?

r185, did you actually believe that "states' rights" was ever anything more than a dogwhistle for racism?

How cute.

So much for states rights..

States' rights when it suits the Repukes; at the moment it doesn't suit them.

PA has posted its response. It makes mincemeat out of Texas.

#boycottFlorida

Pennsylvania's Response to the Petition. It's clear and clear-headed, and destroys Texas's claims as a stack of fucking lies. Worth reading through. I kind of hope the Court gives TX a day or 2 for a reply brief. It ought to be hilarious.

MANY other 'friend of the Court' briefs linked on the Court's online docket. I'm sure they contain a lot of pure entertainment.

106 members of congress signed, so just about half of the house GOP.

We need to bring back public executions for traitors

R186 Am pleased that as you sip your liquour-laced tea that you find it "cute". This is why Dems so often lose the critical PR wars.

Instead of making it sound beneath them, besides the very valid intellectual discussion at the SCOTUS, Dems should also be actively fighting the PR war which a much broader swath of Americans will actually pay attention to.

Please contact Pelosi’s office and tell them that pelosi must refuse to seat any congressperson who signed that letter!

As a wise man once told me, never get into a pissing contest with a skunk.

Whether the Reds like it or not: Biden is going to become President next month, and then the pandemic will gradually wither away as more and more people either get the vaccine or get sick or die. Then life will return to something resembling normal, and that's what people will remember in 2022 and beyond. No one will care anymore about what the Reds are doing this month and next.

The variation on that I'd heard R196 was "Never get into an argument with an idiot. Pretty soon people won't be able to tell the difference"

Senate leadership isn’t supporting this and neither are most senators. It’s also interesting that Kentucky didn’t join Texas. The Kentucky AG is a Moscow Mitch protege/former house coon. Mitch proabaky told him to stay away

Is anyone else having probs with the SCOTUS links on this thread? The don't work (for me).

R198 Not supporting in this context means they are staying quiet. If they really want to be divorced from this stain, they need to come out publicly. If they haven't, Dems should be publicizing a list of those that in their silence, are in effect supporting this nonsense.

Only Cornyn and Sasse have come out specifically against the lawsuit

SCOTUS needs to act fast

SCOTUS are taking afternoon tea.

May not get a decision until tomorrow. They have a conference scheduled (unrelated to this) in the morning

Today's the deadline for plaintiff states to get their stuff in (which is quicker than usual) and Pete Williams on MSNBC (Morning Joe) said he expects an opinion to come down before Monday's EC vote to prevent a delay (which he said would be unconstitutional, if just a delay for four states) - also he said Texas doesn't have "standing" and it must be demonstrated that there's no other place than SC to litigate the case - and these cases have already been litigated in their respective states.

Just ridiculous.

If COVID-Amy, Kavanaugh and the like find for Texas, I suppose the Dems are just going to turn the other cheek, right? What else could they do?

R206, as we have learned from Trump, a court order is only as good as the muscle you have to enforce it. And the Supreme Court does not have an army.

The fact that 106 GOP Congressmen all joined is is a good sign it is doomed.

It's sort of a no-lose for them: they get to show the MAGAts at home that they "stood up for the president" so that no one primaries them in 2022, but they don't need to worry that anything more will come of it.

So who are the MAGATs going to go after in the Supreme Court, only the Republicans, or all of them? You know the court can’t just make a decision without these animals threatening violence every time they’re thwarted.

I support public hangings of traitors either in Lafayette square or on the mall in front of the capitol.

r209, after SCOTUS tosses this suit, which it will, then fascist terrorists will descend on Carson City, Phoenix, Madison, Harrisburg, and Lansing, in an attempt to physically prevent the electors from voting. By force.

Anyone caught making threats ought to be jailed as a terrorist. Fuck those scumbags. Let them ROT!

Just read somewhere (hope it's not here - I can't keep up!) that Florida is bringing a similar suit today ??

It was probably just this (below)

A Trump judge in WI seems to be leaning towards ruling in Trump’s favor

[quote] as we have learned from Trump, a court order is only as good as the muscle you have to enforce it. And the Supreme Court does not have an army.

R207 - no army required. If SCOTUS rules for Texas, the Dems will accept that ruling as law-abiding citizens.

Only Cornyn and Sasse have come out specifically against the lawsuit

I was shocked timid old Cornyn spoke up, but I guess he just got re-elected, so he figures he can ride this out

I scanned the list of congressmen pledging allegiance to Dear Leader & I didn't see any surprises. It look like the same batch of Freedom Caucus morons willing to dump gasoline over their heads & light themselves on fire to pledge their loyalty. There is no bottom for that bunch.

[quote] There is no bottom for that bunch.

There's Nestor. right?

R218 hahahahahahah

R218 - don't forget the sassy new peanut butter bottom Madison Cawthorn!

I saw an interesting Twitter thread about vote flipping and ES&S machines in Kentucky today.

The kook d’etat proceeds apace.

R216, just like law-abiding citizens accepted the Dred Scott decision? No, the Supreme Court's overreaches occasionally blow up in its face.

SCOTUS won't rule for Texas, so the point is moot anyway.

[quote] I saw an interesting Twitter thread about vote flipping and ES&S machines in Kentucky today.

What were you doing in Kentucky?

Boris at R223 wants another civil war here. Poor fuck. Go back to Minsk.

You know you're a DL veteran when you get a "Boris" accusation. Perhaps wasn't clear enough in my prior posts, R226. I was objecting to an implication that Democrats were tragic defeatists who would go along with whatever the Supreme Court says. It's not necessarily true, and the present justices, even the most tragically conservative, know that the Court can't summarily override the will of the majority of people in this country.

And now Miss Letitia James is suing Texas.

trump is in so much fucking trouble. And was there another story today about a shady deal with Egypt in 2016?

I beginning to think they're all leaving the country or will set up Tiffany to the fall.

R228 This made me feel all warm and cozy.

The Pennsylvania Legislature signed a brief yesterday supporting the Plaintiffs 😵

The Pennsylvania Legislature signed a brief yesterday supporting the Plaintiffs 😵

This made me turn from “The Prom” (mind you, not a difficult task) and sign on.

::snaps fingers:: Quick, quick, someone smart and, you know, “legal” translate R232 and R233 for me.

How is DL a solid day behind the news on this?

There are 23 states supporting the plaintiffs, plus the state legislatures of PA and GA, voter's rights groups, Trump, and members of Congress.

There are 20 States, 2 territories, and D.C. who have signed amici curiae briefs in favor of the defendants. The Gov. of Montana went against his own AG (who signed supporting Texas) and signed supporting the defense.

it's pathetic. All the WINNERS have is Mika and Joe. Really.

FUCKING SILENCE FROM OUR WINNERS.

People are fucking dying. And our PUSSY WINNERS are just letting Trump spread like a cancer. These IDIOT WINNERS think we should just use the "oh golly gee, when they go low, dearies, we go high". FUCK THIS SHIT.

When Biden WON election night (we all know it!), 90% of the country knew he won or some high number. THE PUSSY WINNERS lack of outrage of what Trump and McConnell are TRULY DOING TO THIS REPUBLIC (!!!) has now made 50% of the fucking population doubt the truth of the election results.

WE SUCK. WE SUCK

I mean, liberal asshats are more into talking about that old CA broad's dementia (even though she's done SOOO much good. Leave her in her mental state so long as she votes BLUE!) than GRABBING EVERY LIVE NEWS SOURCE AND CALL TRUMP WHAT HE IS> an unhinged loser and LIAR.

FUck these pussy winners (and again, Biden is HINTING AT PUTTING REPUBS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION)!!!! FUCK THIS SHIT

Gee, I wonder why your friends accuse you of being histrionic.

R234 They filed an amicus curiae brief saying that their governor usurped their legislative powers with his emergency powers granted because of the pandemic.

R238 Thank you, love.

I'm certainly not a lawyer, but the behavior and statements of the actual lawyers are making it look like the Democrats are guaranteed to lose this case.

The preliminary statement from Pennsylvania's response just straight up doesn't mention any of the claims made against PA in the Texas suit. They just harrumph about Texas trying to overturn election results.

No "what we did was legal under x, pursuant to y, supported by z." No preliminary argument made in the preliminary statement. The court cares what claims are made against you, not how you feel about Texans.

Someone hold me.

And a word from you bitches screaming “FEAR TROLLS” like harpies.

I want to know what in the hell is going on?

R240 has been spamming MAGAT shit in multiple threads ad nauseum. Just block him and read his very prolific amount of previous posts. He is "very sure" about everything and has been 100% certain of all of his musings since election night - but never correct. Just ignore him.

R240 Pathetically weak attempt at trolling.

Anyone who reads the PA filing will see how it ruthlessly show up the Texas case to be absolutely bullshit and disproves every single claim Texas makes.

R243 is correct: the PA's brief in response to the filing by Texas is great. And the filing by the PA Legislature is meaningless; it can't change the fact that Texas has no standing to challenge PA's operation of its elections. A claim cannot acquire merit just by being endorsed by other people.

Also all this filing and counterfiling has one likely result: to scare the Supreme Court away from the case on the chance they were even vaguely considering it.

They do not want to wade into the middle of this, especially given how ridiculous it is.

They don't do politics.

I just don’t trust this Scotus to do the right thing.

R240 should actually read what he is talking about before spouting off about it. The PA Reply Brief DEMOLISHES this Texas lawsuit on EVERY point, factually and legally. It is brilliantly written, and devastating for the other side. It makes the GA Reply (which is the only other one I've read, being from GA myself) sound like it was written by a bunch of high school debate students (and it was written by one of the best law firms in GA, Alston & Bird).

I see r242. How correct you are.

And how lame of them. If you want to support or hope that trump wins, then own it for Christ's sake.

R240’s also OP, who’s also a shopbottom.

Texas, before: DON'T TELL US WHAT TO DO, EVER! STATE FREEDOM ABOVE ALL!

Texas, now: Hey! Hey! You other states! Fuck you for not doing things exactly how we prefer you to! Fuck you, we'll see you in court until you do it our way!

Even if (really when) scotus denies this it is far from over.

Their next move is to obstruct in congress and try to deny Biden electors

Texas has filed its response. We could get a ruling any time now.

R252 I just read on CNN that they’re still needs to be a reply brief filed before the court can do anything.

Paxton has filed his steaming pile of shit reply brief.

SCOTUS really, really needs to shut this shit down today

Coalition Mounts Against Texas Election Lawsuit | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Citizens United has joined in on the fun, filing a brief in favor of Texas.

This is a complete and utter shit show.

I’m so excited to watch Trump fanatics turn on ACB when the court dismisses this, my throbbing erection cannot be contained!

[quote]This is a complete and utter shit show.

For a long, long time R257. High time it was over so we can start repairing the damage.

I still don't understand what's in it for Trump's supporters. Anybody who has known Trump for any length of time knows he'll throw you under the bus as soon as its expedient for him to do so.

Why would you risk your political career for such a piece of human garbage like Trump? And as soon as he's out of office, the world will begin to see all the crimes this clown (and his family and henchmen) have been committing since January of 2017. We would you want to hitch your wagon to such a braying jack ass.

But they don’t see it as risking their career, they see it as the opposite R260. They’re petrified of going against trump and having him tweet against them and float a primary in front of them. They can’t afford to piss off Trump’s base. The GOP has the house within its grasp in 2022 and they need all the trump voters to show up to vote for them to get it. That’s why they’re all in on this craziness and why they will try to object when the votes are read in congress.

The GOP has overextended itself. They’ve riled up their base such that the only way they look sane to Trump supporters is to continue acting insane.

[quote] the GA Reply (which is the only other one I've read, being from GA myself) sound like it was written by a bunch of high school debate students (and it was written by one of the best law firms in GA, Alston & Bird).

Hey!

That’s not fare!

[quote] I just read on CNN that they’re still needs to be a reply brief filed

Oh, dear!

Where can I sign me one of them amigos curious briefs?

Not to mention their complete disappointment at the end result.

[quote] The GOP has overextended itself.

Yep. That's exactly what happened. All of this is going to backfire.

Trump's crimes start MUCH earlier than 2017, r260.

Trump is a hereditary psychopath. His family has always been involved in crime.

Request to increase the word count limit???

The longer this nonsense goes on, the more I want to see him behind bars.

Illustrating R268's point...

All of the many, many documents related to this case are available together on the Supreme Court's docket page for this case:

Every single Scotus scholar expects them to either dismiss the case all together or grant leave to file and then dismiss it in the same breath. They’re saying the court is probably figuring out the best way to get a 9-0 decision to leave out any doubt.

So if Scotus does take the case we are in uncharted waters aka the overthrow of the constitution and the end of American democracy.

We’ll see

At every step since the election, everyone kept saying, “Don’t worry. Don’t worry. Trump can’t win. The law suits are frivolous.” But now Trump has finally got what he has wanted: a case in the Supreme Court. And again everyone says, “Don’t worry. SCOTUS will unanimously and unceremoniously dismiss this absurd case.”

But what if they don’t. What if they say, “there are so many people with questions about the integrity of the process. It’s too late to do anything about it. We can’t redo the election. But the Constitution provides a backup plan. The House of Representatives can decide the election. Each state delegation gets one vote. That seems like a good workaround.”

And Trump gets his way. And all the Republicans applaud this common sense solution to save our democracy.

Love this piece from the editorial board of the Orlando Sentinel reversing its support of Rep. Michael Waltz, who signed up to support the lawsuit brought by Texas:

We apologize to our readers for endorsing Michael Waltz in the 2020 general election for Congress.

We had no idea, had no way of knowing at the time, that Waltz was not committed to democracy.

During our endorsement interview with the incumbent congressman, we didn’t think to ask, “Would you support an effort to throw out the votes of tens of millions of Americans in four states in order to overturn a presidential election and hand it to the person who lost, Donald Trump?”

Our bad.

R274 then Nancy Pelosi can refuse to seat any Republican until after the vote and only democrats are seated so the state delegations are 100% Democrat.

But Scotus will not say that. That’s not what they do. They hate getting involved in crazy political stuff like this. There was partisanship involved in Bush v gore but that was an actual case over the constitution. Texas doesn’t have a case. They have no standing to tell another state how to run an election. If Scotus agrees to the case that means they intend to install trump as dictator.

Talking of Florida, has Nestor filed an amicus curiae brief?

Matt stole all of Nestor's briefs, R277.

As nutty as the justices can be, they do truly care about the court and the constitution. I can’t imagine they’re thrilled with the circus this has become and the mockery it has made of the court system. They also know that entertaining this lawsuit opens the floodgates for all types of state vs state lawsuits that would jam up the court for an eternity. I don’t think they want to go there.

If they want to discourage this kind of circus in the future they dismiss the Texas suit and order Ken personally to pay the defendants' costs.

^^Exactly, R279. It's a nightmare for the Supreme Court. The main problem they will have is the 4 sets of "factual allegations". The legal issues track pretty closely with PA's original Response arguments, which are very thorough and deadly for Texas's case. But Texas has just thrown a bunch of dirt up into the air re the allegations, and I wonder how the Court will deal with that (knowing that the whole thing is just baloney, it doesn't amount to any kind of real legal controversy).

Something wrong with a system where the future of democracy rests in the hands of 9 people

As bonkers as Covid Barrett and the others might be, they are not going to want to overthrow the US government on a 5-4 decision on a completely bogus legal argument that that disenfranchises millions of people and will start a civil war.

I confess I worry about Alito and Thomas, but if they agreed to throw out the PA lawsuit, this one is a no brainer.

Profiles in Jello:

"Today's the deadline for plaintiff states to get their stuff in (which is quicker than usual) and Pete Williams on MSNBC (Morning Joe) said he expects an opinion to come down before Monday's EC vote to prevent a delay (which he said would be unconstitutional, if just a delay for four states) - also he said Texas doesn't have "standing" and it must be demonstrated that there's no other place than SC to litigate the case - and these cases have already been litigated in their respective states."

Speaking of Pete Williams - did he ever come out?

That's the thing R285-- Trump lost by a lot.

He got more votes than polls predicted but still lost by a fairly huge margin.

Which makes his claims laughable and SCOTUS unlikely to support them.

Any Supreme Court justice who rules in favor of Texas should be impeached.

No point impeaching anyone while McTurtle rules the Senate.

McTurtle needs to be boiled.

I don't think it's possible for the Supreme Court to dismiss this case now that all but a handful of states have chimed in for one side or the other.

It's now a national controversy and a constitutional debate.

The state of Ohio, specifically, demanded that the Supreme Court provide a clarification of the Elector's clause to prevent further disputes on the issue.

SCOTUS has to shut this shit down ASAP, because one every nut job in the GOP feels that they can just run there when they don’t like the results of the election. That psycho Kelly Ward has filed a case with SCOTUS now. The court will not be pleased. They have no interest in settling election disputes.

Texas has filed their wordy response:

"Texas does not ask this Court to reelect President Trump, and Texas does not seek to disenfranchise the majority of Defendant States’ voters. To both points, Texas asks this Court to recognize the obvious fact that Defendant States’ maladministration of the 2020 election makes it impossible to know which candidate garnered the majority of lawful votes."

It goes on from there.

The defendants are praying that this case is dismissed because they have no legal standing. They'll lose if the judges accept it.

Is it time to worry or is that still considered being a “fear troll”?

R291 it’s not really a “debate”. One side has the constitution on their side, the other does not. Texas has no standing to sue another state for how they run their elections, especially SIX WEEKS AFTER THE ELECTION. Texas suffered no harm by the way PA ran their election. Texas still gets its 38 EC votes. No harm.

The lawsuit is ABSURD. But it’s not up for legitimate debate. The GOP are grafting and bowing down to trump after getting brow beaten and threatened by a “list”.

The ONLY debate is whether or not it’s “mandatory jurisdiction” and scotus HAS to hear the case. Alito and Thomas have ruled that they think any state vs state case must be heard but recognized that there is discretion. Besides, all the stuff in Texas can, and has, been litigated elsewhere. Which means original jurisdiction doesn’t apply anyway.

R296, What list are you referring to?

R295 You'll get lied to about this until the absolute last second, when shit hits the fan and they all go into a tilting meltdown over this "crisis."

If only RBG had retired early.

This has 0 chance and probably won't even be heard. Stop your bed wetting.

Agreed R299. Selfish woman.

"New California" and "New Nevada" have joined the suit to stop the lawless actions of Governors Sisolak and "Newsome".

I'd say this is making the Supreme Court look like a joke, but it's beyond that now.

Lyin Ted "says Senate will likely blockade Biden's nominations based on debunked election fraud allegations."

The Federal Govt is coming to an end.

[quote]my throbbing erection cannot be contained!

Pics, please.

So this means any state could have sued Texas for only having one mailbox for mail in ballots in Harris County (Houston)?

r305, let's get all the blue states to sue Texas!

R291, that's not how the legal system works. You can't ask a court for an advisory opinion on the Elector's Clause, and Texas doesn't get standing to sue just because its lawsuit has been discussed on television. That's like saying the Supreme Court should hear every case, stupid or not, filed by a Kardashian.

Yes Rose R305 but when they go low we go high, right?

I found this in R285’s link:

If they don't have courage to defend their country, the Constitution, and the oath they took, they have no business being Representatives for the American people

If Trump had just done the right thing in October and died from Covid, we wouldn't be in this mess now.

Ted Cruz is an idiot who’s already auditioning for 2024. Once Biden is sworn in, they’re not gonna block his entire cabinet no matter what Ted Cruz says.

Look at cunt fuck shopbottom OP still lying his ass off at R294.

Keep fuckin’ that chicken R294.

Look at cunt fuck shopbottom OP still lying his ass off at R294.

Keep fuckin’ that chicken R294.

"Once Biden is sworn in, they’re not gonna block his entire cabinet no matter what Ted Cruz says."

Why are you so confident they won't? The Republican party as a whole has taken a steaming dump on a slew of democratic norms - why wouldn't they squat and void their bowels on this one?

[quote] No, repeatedly filing nonsense suits that are consistently thrown out is not “using the court system the way it was designed”. It is tort abuse.

And it can lead to disbarment.

R314 you just need a majority to confirm a cabinet nominee. Worst case scenario Biden will need two members of the GOP to vote to confirm and he gets his pick. Sure the more controversial picks like Neera Tanden will have an issue but there won’t be a problem getting some of the GOP to support his more “boring” picks.

I only ever voted for presidential elections, I swear that after this crap with republicans I will vote in every election city, state etc against every freaking republicans, I will take my time to go vote against these putrids

R294 meant to refer to Texas having no legal standing.

R318 Of course not. The denial on this thread.

Amen, r317. Do it. We need to start turning out for EVERY race. Change starts from the bottom up.

REJECTED!

Oh god, conservative social media is going to be SO entertaining tonight.

EAT SHIT TEXAS!!

R322 It already is, seeing a lot of "it's war then" responses.

Though just as many "I'm not going to bother voting" responses R324 and "Biden is controlled by China" comments that are clearly a reaction to "Trump is controlled by Russia"

[quote]Oh god, conservative social media is going to be SO entertaining tonight.

Free Republic is in an unprecedented drama queen archconservative meltdown.

"Do we have any leaders besides Pres Trump?? Is he our only hope besides God? Who Who Who Who?"

"The Lord is coming, now we know why America was not mentioned in Revelations. We are in the End of Days."

"Oh, and since the law doesn’t matter, we need to stop paying those frauds in robes."

""One thing for certain I will not be voting again, it’s just not worth it!"

Fuck Trump. Fuck you, OP.

Republicans aren't going to concede. They will regroup and keep attacking.

Maybe the court thought this would deescalate tensions? They didn't address the substance of the issue in the rejection.

R328 Maybe that's because there was no substance.

I'll add this one from Fox, R326

"Texas and the Trump Team will appeal but they better hurry!"

[And because this is DL, no, you cannot appeal a Supreme Court decision)

[quote]I don't think it's possible for the Supreme Court to dismiss this case now that all but a handful of states have chimed in for one side or the other.

Could you be more wrong?

R328, yes, they did. The core of the suit was whether a state can sue another state over the second state’s own election rules. The lack of standing decision means the answer is, no, it can’t.

Free Republic is such a shit website. I think it cost about 8 cents to put together.

For R328

“The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution,” the Supreme Court’s order reads. “Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.”

I really think some of those Free Republic people will commit suicide over this.

[quote]I really think some of those Free Republic people will commit suicide over this.

This SCOTUS rejection and suicidal deplorables?

BEST. CHRISTMAS. EVER.

[quote] The core of the suit was whether a state can sue another state over the second state’s own election rules. The lack of standing decision means the answer is, no, it can’t.

That’s not correct. The court refused to hear the case based on standing. The “core” of the suit wasn’t addressed.

I wonder if we could encourage MAGATs to begin voluntary self-immolations on the steps of the Court.

Now the Texas GOP is threatening to secede...

You are all so shallow and short-sighted.

But I got *great* gams, r340!

r337 The core of the suit is shit - just like you, Trump, Boris Johnson, and Trafalgar Group polling.

[quote] Republicans aren't going to concede.

They don't have to. Biden will be sworn in anyway.

[quote][And because this is DL, no, you cannot appeal a Supreme Court decision)

Not for lack of trying, R330.

I work for litigators and a few years back we represented a company that fired an employee for cause. He sued in the Federal courts and to make a long story short we got the case dismissed but it took nearly a year. He was pro se and English wasn't his first language so all that prolonged the process. He constantly filed motions with the federal court to get them to appoint him an attorney and got shot down every time.

When the Federal Court dismissed the case he filed it to the Court of Appeals in our district, they upheld the trial court's decision, keeping the case dismissed. He THEN sent it up to the US Supreme Court and they refused to hear it.

THEN he went BACK to the US Court of Appeals appealing the US Supreme Court's decision. That also got dismissed without the court hearing it and by then the statute of limitations ran out on his case.

This was quite predictable. Thomas and Alito continued on their view that ANY suit between states requires the Court to hear it. (Please note that nothing in the dissent suggested that there was any merit to the claims made by Texas).

It was extremely clear, legally, that Texas had no standing. I can't conceive why the S.Ct. needs to "hear" a case to come to that conclusion.

Yes, the Court tossed the case on "procedural" grounds (i.e. standing), so I predict that Cheeto and the Trumpistas will claim forever that the "real facts" were never addressed by the Court. Unfortunately, the Court's very predictable decision will not stop this "election fraud" bullshit.

And, yes, as much as I enjoy living in Houston, I'm totally embarrassed and disgusted by the shit our repug elected officials pull.

Yes, please do secede, Texas. Nobody will miss Paxton, Crenshaw, Briscoe and the rest of your disasters.

What would the United States do without Louie Gohmert in Congress? We'd collapse!

DL wants to know: where does Troy Aikman stand on this issue?

And now a commentary from Miss Nancy Walker...

That worked out very well for them.

[quote] "The decision ends a lawsuit hailed by Trump on Twitter as “the big one,” and it dashes his oft-expressed dream of vindication at the Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority thanks to Trump’s appointments. Barrett’s nomination was rushed through the Senate confirmation process, with Trump saying her vote would be needed to resolve any election disputes. Earlier Friday, Trump called on the nation’s top court to show “great Wisdom and Courage.”" ~ link

The Justices showed great wisdom and courage. It makes me think the Constitution works after all. Trump, wrongly, thinks the Justices owe him. Fuck him for ever in hell.

Has Susan Dey made any comments yet

I feel a whole lot better now.

[quote]You are all so shallow and short-sighted

Care to explain what you mean by that, QAnon loon?

FRom our pals at Lucianne dot com:

[quote]Reply 5 - Posted by: Rotten in Denmark: SCOTUS BETRAYED US.

[quote]Reply 10 - Posted by: Daisymay: Whatever,!! I'm done with this Up and Down game! Apparentl even the Supreme Court is in with the Deep State! They could have saved our country, but they chose not to! So thats that!

[quote]Reply 15 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab: (Past) Time to throw out the Supreme Court. In New Amerika, NO ONE has 'standing' when it comes to standing up against the Deep State Uniparty Corrupt Evil Swampy Scum

[quote]Reply 20 - Posted by: Scottyboy: The communist “long march” through our institutions is complete. The courts are gone. We are now in a full-blown banana republic / Thugocracy that would make Joe Stalin proud.

[quote]Reply 42 - Posted by: BarryNo: SCOTUS... We are ALL OF US AMERICANS!! WE HAVE STANDING!!! Prepare for WAR!!!

[quote]Reply 43 - Posted by: OhioNick: The following will occur within two years: (1) Joe Biden will leave office. (2) Kamala Harris, a first-generation Naturalized Citizen, will be blocked from taking office on constitutional grounds. (3) The House of Representatives will pick our president and the Senate will pick the vice president. Each state delegation gets one vote, and a Republican will be selected as president.

[quote]Reply 54 - Posted by: hoosierblue: A very bloody civil war is coming folks.

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[quote]Reply 61 - Posted by: MindMadeUp: Time for Trump to use the Sedition Act.

[quote]Reply 76 - Posted by: Sorosisbehindit: Irreconcilable differences either result in a divorce or a homicide. What's it going to be?

[quote]Reply 81 - Posted by: preciosodrogas: Agreed, it is a shock. But there are still some pending cases out there that may/might save us. We got caught flat-footed. I did not see a battle plan and an organization geared to deal with the cheating we all knew was going to take place. It all looked like a scramble, disorganized and disoriented. That surprised me. I always think of President Trump as being anticipative and highly organized.

[quote]Reply 82 - Posted by: pritch: When I saw this I was upset and angry. At SCOTUS and God (after hours of prayers). But after reflection, his plan is perfect and I see these state legislatures, who haven't done their jobs in a long time, finding their balls and starting to step up. Their states did this and they can fix it. I don't want to hear that Half (gretchen whitmer) won't call them into session. Call themselves in. Decide what electoral votes are being sent. Trump opened up the swamp and has carried the fight. It is time for the state legislatures to do their job!

[quote]Reply 85 - Posted by: Golden Goose: I'm looking forward to my virtual celebration with all of you. It's going to be all-the-more glorious, following this series of setbacks! President Trump has been warning everyone about mail-in ballots and massive vote fraud for a very long time now. If you don't believe that he and his team took steps to prepare for it and defeat it, you still don't know the man.

Lucianne.com is still around?

This one's going out to all the Republicans out there

What I learned from this case is that once Republicans find the right formula of party+jurisdiction to sue under, Democrats are completely fucked.

They knew beforehand that what they were engaging in was illegal, but their plan was obviously to argue on technicalities and have cases dismissed. That can't hold up forever.

Democrats have also lost what Goodwill from the public they had scrounged up.

Huh? Show your math, r359. How the hell did Democrats lose goodwill from Trump flailing? You literally have Republicans calling to secede and start a civil war, and this reflects badly on...Democrats?

SUCK IT UP, BUTTERCUP!!!

R356 So they're starting a new round of birtherism aimed at Kamala now?

[quote]I'm certainly not a lawyer, but the behavior and statements of the actual lawyers are making it look like the Democrats are guaranteed to lose this case.

[quote]I don't think it's possible for the Supreme Court to dismiss this case now that all but a handful of states have chimed in for one side or the other. It's now a national controversy and a constitutional debate.

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!

You fucking LOSER, OP MAGAt!!!!! LOL!!!!!!

Wow these people are really fucking warped.

Apparently nobody's told R359 that the Supreme Court has told Texas, Trump and his Republican sycophants to fuck off. But this reflects badly on the Democrats?

R362 is referring to this from R356's charming Maggot quotations:

[quote] (2) Kamala Harris, a first-generation Naturalized Citizen, will be blocked from taking office on constitutional grounds.

You could see this angle coming as soon as Sen David Purdue -- yeah, the guy in the Georgia runoff -- made a joke of intentionally mispronouncing Kamala "Ka-malamalamala, however you say it" at a Trump rally. They've been Senate colleagues for 3 years and are both on the Senate Budget committee. He knows her name.

the 86th Lucianne poster in R356 long quote says she has an understanding of God’s plan. Wow, someone should alert the media that we have an actual Prophetess amongst us now.

[quote]Wow, someone should alert the media that we have an actual Prophetess amongst us now.

At DL we have Juanita "Jazz Hands" Bynum.

the repugs were pissed off because of blm and defund the police but they just dont seem to have any problem with facists calling for red states to separate from the union, and they call themselves patriots

R369 - Actually, quite a few moderates and conservative Democrats were also offended by BLM and defund the police, not just Republicans.

But, and I know I'm in a minority here, I don't see secession as the Big Bad Wolf that many others do. Sometimes, divorce really is the sensible solution, as opposed to endless conflict.

I do think Lincoln may have made a mistake, and remember, I am from a nation that "seceded" four years ago from a major trading bloc comporting itself as a country.

If Scotland votes to leave the UK, I may or may not think it a foolish decision (economically it may well be), and I may feel saddened by how things have gone, but I would never think them utterly traitorous for voting to do so. That goes for NI, as well.

I've always thought smaller is better for the people on the ground - it's the accruance of power outside that becomes the issue. At a certain point, things simply get too big and go to far, and never the twain shall meet . . .

Secession movements have been alive and well in America for forever, and some of those have been blue states. It's that no one pays attention to them.

It's not likely to happen but it doesn't necessarily qualify as a horrible idea because people we are appalled by floated it.

I've attached a link to a Wikipedia section outlining the current list of active separatist movement in America.

It's not as off the wall as all that. You hate their guts, you don't want to live with them, they go on voting - why not?

Again, r370...and again and again.....

"Bottom line: While Brexit may have stirred the secessionist pot, a similar Texit would not be legal. Texas has a unique right among states to split itself into five states but not to secede from the United States of America."