Ellen Page Is Now Elliot Page: Part Two!

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A STRONG Black Transman of Color!

He/She/They/It has been posting tweet after tweet of hearts and thank you messages in response to the mountain of attention she's been getting in response to coming out as trans.

Lots of organizations have been tweeting in praise. She climbed back up the relevancy ladder, just like she intended.

One of the few FTMs able to afford a real penis?

I never thought I’d see the left try to convince lesbians that they are men. But here we are!

I never thought public hospitals would perform female circumcision to appease certain ethnicities in liberal cities run by feminists (at least Seattle). But here we are.

And that’s just the things that surprise me. The Repukes are even more insane.

Idiocracy is here.

" I never thought I’d see the left try to convince lesbians that they are men. But here we are!"

" I never thought public hospitals would perform female circumcision to appease certain ethnicities in liberal cities run by feminists (at least Seattle). But here we are."

"The Repukes are even more insane."

R5, can we still claim that The Right is more insane? I'm not so sure anymore.

She is not a male.

My front hole stinks!

I never found Ellen attractive - her quizzical fucking face and gaunt body are repulsive but is the kind of white girl people find so cute - and the first thing I saw her in was Hard Candy, in which she was so obnoxious that the pedophile was less irritating than her. And honest to blog, the second thing I saw her in was Juno. So I'm not a fan.

But she always seemed so uncomfortable like she wanted to climb out of her own skin and as an actress appeared somewhat asexual. Maybe this will make real sense.

Who was Chaz Bono's gf when he transitioned? Did she leave him?

Literal violence!!!!

I know the person at r11. Does not remotely pass IRL.

Now that she's a straight, white man, doesn't it mean that she's the oppressor of stunning and brave transwomen of color like Verne's Cock?

Now that she's a straight, white man, doesn't it mean that she's the oppressor of stunning and brave transwomen of color like Verne's Cock?

I notice that many wonen that identified as gay still stay with their FTM partners once they transition cause I guess they love them so much. I doubt men, gay or straight would stay with their partners if they decided to change sex

She am woman, hear her roar!

[quote]" I never thought I’d see the left try to convince lesbians that they are men. But here we are!"

"The Left" has done no such thing. If Ellen has convinced herself she's a man, that's on her. Lesbians need to stop throwing on other people the blame for their neuroses - none of this has anything to do with the Patriarchy, much less with the left. The roots of the trans mania can be found in youth activist culture, which is in large part the creation of young women who identify as queer or bi. "The call is coming from inside the house," girls!

I hate to break it to you, R17, but it isn't str8 right-wing white Christian Southerners cheering this on or whatever media-generated pre-Internet stereotypes you still believe in.

If you have a cunt you are NOT a man! And no amount of Frankenstein surgeries will give you a dick!!!

r18 I got that covered, sweetie -- as I said above, the trans mania among young women is not the fault of the Patriarchy, either!

This exchange is peak insanity. She announced she was "he" about five seconds before, and anyone calling her "Ellen" moments later causes her INTENSE MENTAL ANGUISH. Please!

These people need THERAPY, not coddling and walking on eggshells.

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@BeezyGrey - For an outlet that calls itself "Out", you really really should know better than to deadname a trans person

@crimsonrednick - literally said formerly known... is there something bad about it really? people need to know who that is...

@BeezyGrey - Yes. I don't know how to explain to you how painful it often is for trans people to be called by their dead name, even in something like "formerly known as". There are so many less painful ways to identify him, like "Umbrella Academy star Elliot Page"

This truck driver and proud womxn agrees!

Authentic self

The video at R4....."donor penis" WTF??

Authentic self available as bi-weekly IM injection! Personality disorders please do ask for your doc for the script (we know You will anyway!!)- “aunthentic self injectables are now available in cancer wards everywhere, we’ll see you there soon! ;)

[quote]I never thought public hospitals would perform female circumcision to appease certain ethnicities in liberal cities run by feminists (at least Seattle).

Is this really true? From what I remember, it's illegal (though still practised) in the shitholes those people came from.

R21 R22 Lol, imagine if other groups had the same kind of political control over language that the T enjoys. Just the wholesale rewriting of history a la Orwell:

"Yes, Hannah is a lesbian. If you ever mention that time she kissed a boy on the cheek in kindergarten, you will be committing an ACT OF LITERAL VIOLENCE. BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS!!!! YOU ARE GUILTY OF GENOCIDE!!!!!!!! NEVER, EVER, EVER MENTION THAT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND!?!?!?!?"

Elliot Page is MASON REESE!!!!

Coming fall 2021!!

Is she as boring as she was in part 1 of this thread? Asking for a poor comatose friend.

Titys are persona non grata!!!!

In what world was Ellen Page ever butch?

What will her great-grandmother Geraldine think?

Right R31. She reminded me of the cute girl who thinks she's tough after licking her first few muffs. Nope, I wasn't fooled. For all her pantsuits and Doc Martin boots, she was still pretty girl, who could have easily slapped on a bit of makeup and a sexy dress and passed for Hetero again.

[quote]I hate to break it to you, [R17], but it isn't str8 right-wing white Christian Southerners cheering this on or whatever media-generated pre-Internet stereotypes you still believe in.

It kind of is. People would rather have a child "born in the wrong body" than a child who is homosexual.

Dark lesbian

Is she going to start using men's bathrooms? Do transmen try to use urinals even though they don't have weiners? I think it would be cool to be able to pee everywhere like a man.

For some reason I doubt if she's going to alter her face or body to appear more male. She's just going to say she's a male... and be attracted to females.

Part Two? Did she change gender since yesterday?

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here. IMO the whole Trans Movement is a charade that's been funded by Big Pharma. And legitimized by their stooges in MSM and (bought & paid for) elected officials. They stand to make billions annually (hospital stays, surgeries, medicines, mental health "therapy", etc), by convincing all future generations of Gays (and their parents) that (supposedly) there's no such thing as Homosexuality. (supposedly) Deep down inside most Homosexuals are just Heterosexual members of the opposite sex. Finally! A brilliant way to disguise Hatred/Homophobia with (BS) Medical Science!

Even if I accepted the theory (which I don't) that one is whatever they feel inside; why wouldn't the Medical/Behavioral Health Industry be teaching those who feel that way to be comfortable with the body/genitalia that they were born with? Instead of promoting expensive, painful (and ultimately unsuccessful) surgeries and hormone treatments.

The Trans Movement is a farce and attack on Gays/Homosexuality!

You’re all nuts. Jesus. How do you even get directed to this website? Is there a 4chan portal dragging all the gross middle aged angry fat men who are so depressed in their own lives that they need to shout about someone else to this site? What a bunch of weirdos.

R37 I disagree. I think they will go all out. It will be interesting to see if they become a 'gay' man like many other former lesbians who seem to discover their desire for dick after injecting themselves with testosterone. Its a bizarre phenomenon which no one seems to talk about.

R40 I am neither middle aged, nor fat. You think its crazy that gay men might have an opinion on how mutilating, and medicalising completely healthy bodies of homosexual men and women isn't the way to go? And how this mental health issue is 'celebrated', and anyone who disagrees with it is vilified. The fact you think anyone who has an issue with how this is presented to us is some right wing 4chan nut, says more about YOU, than it does about anyone else.

You are the weird one who thinks its completely normal for someone to cut off their breasts, injected themselves with unnatural hormones and LARP at being a 'man' IRL.

R10, in the documentary “Becoming Chaz,” we saw Chaz become ever more boorishly unpleasant to the girlfriend he had been with for several years prior to transition, seemingly thinking this was how straight dudes behaved. On one particularly gross occasion he burped directly into her face and then laughed, which was indicative of his attitude to her generally as depicted on the show.

The girlfriend, a lesbian who had problems with alcohol abuse issues, struggled to stay sober during these events, and did indeed, unsurprisingly, eventually leave Chaz.

Good for him. If it makes him happy, why do you care?

R43 do you understand the concept of a discussion forum, especially a gossipy one?

It probably doesn’t make him happy anyway as it happens. It seems Elliot has been hanging out with Chase Strangio of all people.

What are they going to do when confronted with DVDs of Juno with...THAT NAME

[quote] Good for him. If it makes him happy, why do you care?

I said this before in Part 1 of this thread, and I’ll say it again here:

Facebook is that-a-way, hon. —>

1.7 MILLIONS likes in one day!

The Trans is Strong!

R47, a lot of Twitter likes are fake and trans activists game those stats fairly heavily on particular posts. You’ll sometimes see a well-meaning celeb post something pro-trans that they assume will get a lot of traction, but it doesn’t, because it isn’t picked to be boosted by those who do that kinda thing.

[quote]I notice that many wonen that identified as gay still stay with their FTM partners once they transition cause I guess they love them so much. I doubt men, gay or straight would stay with their partners if they decided to change sex

On twitter, I've seen a lesbian say that it is common for lesbians to fall in love with fictional males (in books or TV series, I think) because they're "safer" than real men.

I think many lesbians prefer women for emotional rather than sexual reasons. Maybe that's why they won't leave a partner once she goes male.

Amazingly, I still care not at all about him/her/them.

The true test will be who can grow a better beard, Elliot Page or Timothy Chalamet!!!!

“I think many lesbians prefer women for emotional rather than sexual reasons. Maybe that's why they won't leave a partner once she goes male.“

This. That’s also why there are so many lesbians that end up married to biological men.

R51, definitely Elliot. Timmy can’t compete with hormones. I wish I could get just enough to get a hairy chest.

[quote] If Ellen has convinced herself she's a man, that's on her. Lesbians need to stop throwing on other people the blame for their neuroses - none of this has anything to do with the Patriarchy, much less with the left. The roots of the trans mania can be found in youth activist culture, which is in large part the creation of young women who identify as queer or bi. "The call is coming from inside the house," girls!

This cannot be restated enough.

Well yeah, Judith butler is basically to blame for all of this. She is a lesbian, but I think she refers to herself as queer/ non binary these days and at this point im basically counting down until she comes out as trans.

R46 said it before, and will say it again!!! How sasssssy.

I still don’t get it and honestly I don’t care, but I applaud his name choice.

[quote]Well yeah, Judith butler is basically to blame for all of this. She is a lesbian, but I think she refers to herself as queer/ non binary these days and at this point im basically counting down until she comes out as trans.

I highly doubt she'll transition, just because of her age.

But, at least in her mind, I imagine she thinks those terms are complementary to her lesbianism rather than undermining it.

Anyway, I bet she's not too into sex. Last time she had any was probably when...

I've seen a post op Trans male's penis online-- made from arm skin-- and it was awful and traumatizing to look at. It looked like a pale phallus sewn on a human torso, the way it was hanging. The color was weird and it didn't look natural.

She married a Lesbian who likes "lady parts", so I HOPE she keeps that in mind before she does anything surgically DRASTIC!

[quote]She married a Lesbian who likes "lady parts",

Like someone said above I wonder if the connection is more emotional.

Page hasn't announced her divorce yet.

The wife is a very woke “queer” type who might stay with her, although her post asking for privacy made me wonder. Then again, the wife also said “trans people are a gift to the world.”

[quote] The wife is a very woke “queer” type who might stay with her, although her post asking for privacy made me wonder. Then again, the wife also said “trans people are a gift to the world.”

I suspect they might stay together then.

Has the wife ever actually said she is a lesbian specifically though?

Merciless tit. Shadow labia. Goateed baby dyke shadow boxing the air, beating back the voices of transphobes who whisper to her in her mind’s eye. Shower time with swine companion, all elements laid out on cool steel instrument table... the enema douche with tubing, the rubber cock, the grease and big daddy gold chain. Dark lesbians.

The wife drives a UHaul! She's a lesbo!

Word

I see older lesbians as being somewhat responsible for younger ones transing. You spend all your days saying how awful things are for women and how easy men have and then are surprised when someone wants to go from slave to slaveowner?

The wife is not a lesbian but identifies her sexuality as “fluid.”

Actually I had forgotten Page married someone so unattractive, she had a better-looking girlfriend previously who I assumed was the wife, but she seems to have married someone who looks trans / non-binary herself.

DL will enjoy this thread I'm sure

R68 Yeah she’s ugly and also a supposed “dancer”. In those size 12 witch boots?!

[quote]the wife also said “trans people are a gift to the world.”

They sure are a $ift to pharma and plastic surgeons.

“trans people are a gift to the world.”

Then why do they always arrive in the wrong package?

I know you’re trolling R67, but the fact is Page is too old for this shit, the FtM craze is very much a younger person’s thing and is a social contagion among very “online” teenagers. Nothing to do with older lesbians or any brand of feminism.

I had a crush on her in that stupid action hero comedy staring her and Dwight from The Office

[quote]I know you’re trolling [R67], but the fact is Page is too old for this shit, the FtM craze is very much a younger person’s thing and is a social contagion among very “online” teenagers. Nothing to do with older lesbians or any brand of feminism.

I'm being totally serious, whoever does it.

Devote your existence to telling women that they're oppressed by men because they're women and why be surprised when some women see that they too might have a chance to join 'The Patriarchy' and get some 'male privilege'.

R75, given the circles Page evidently moves in (Strangio, et al) and the fact she’s basically dumped on lesbians now with this move, it’s very unlikely lesbianism feminism has transed her so much as tedious modern “queer”politics that is actually regressive in preaching that liking women and being non-feminine makes you “really” a guy.

[quote]On twitter, I've seen a lesbian say that it is common for lesbians to fall in love with fictional males (in books or TV series,

A surprising number of women who write gay male fanfiction are or claim to be lesbians. A lesbian I knew in college wrote her thesis on such 'literary' output. She probably wrote gay fanfic too.

[quote][R75], given the circles Page evidently moves in (Strangio, et al) and the fact she’s basically dumped on lesbians now with this move, it’s very unlikely lesbianism feminism has transed her so much as tedious modern “queer”politics that is actually regressive in preaching that liking women and being non-feminine makes you “really” a guy.

You're missing the point.

It doesn't matter WHO created the ideology.

But it's an easy line to see how someone could feel they should become male when they hear non-stop about how privileged men are.

Simultaneously, I've also wondered if that's why detrans are overwhelming FtM: they become men hoping to get some of that 'male privilege' and then discover no such thing exists.

I’m not missing your point R78, I simply disagree that feminism has anything to do with Page’s actions.

Page has been spending too much time with people who believe in gender to a high degree and has now gone that way herself.

No, R79, they discover that male privilege comes attached to an actual dick.

[quote]I’m not missing your point [R78], I simply disagree that feminism has anything to do with Page’s actions. Page has been spending too much time with people who believe in gender to a high degree and has now gone that way herself.

I bet Page, like Judith Butler, describes herself as a feminism.

Their feminism is different from yours, but it's feminism nonetheless.

Both second-wave and third-wave agree that women are oppressed and men are an oppressor class.

[quote] No, [R79], they discover that male privilege comes attached to an actual dick.

Male privilege doesn't exist.

R79, perhaps, but I would say it is more that most of those transing at a younger age are FtM rather than MtF, and when they grow up fully they realize their mistake.

If you look at Keira Bell in the U.K., she isn’t quoted as having thought she would gain privilege but that she could actually become a man in some meaningful way and convince as a man physically, both of which she later realized were impossible.

All well and good R82 but I would still lay money on queer rather than feminist theory having transed little Elliot.

[quote][R79], perhaps, but I would say it is more that most of those transing at a younger age are FtM rather than MtF, and when they grow up fully they realize their mistake.

I don't think it's an age thing. I've honestly never heard of a single detrans MtF. Not one.

[quote]If you look at Keira Bell in the U.K., she isn’t quoted as having thought she would gain privilege but that she could actually become a man in some meaningful way and convince as a man physically, both of which she later realized were impossible.

She mightn't have said that, it doesn't mean it wasn't something she thought of.

[quote]All well and good [R82] but I would still lay money on queer rather than feminist theory having transed little Elliot.

You're drawing a distinction that doesn't exist.

Queer theory is really just third wave feminism.

Despite their differences, second wave and third wave/queer theory agree on lots.

Like I say R87, Page has transitioned due to the influences of people her own age and younger and it’s pretty difficult to attribute someone deciding they’re not a lesbian anymore, to older feminist lesbians. That’s pretty obvious to me. You’re welcome to disagree.

I noticed some lesbians speculating that the wife has influenced her into this, which I can believe, and I do suspect that they will stay together.

[quote]Like I say [R87], Page has transitioned due to the influences of people her own age and younger and it’s pretty difficult to attribute someone deciding they’re not a lesbian anymore, to older feminist lesbians. That’s pretty obvious to me. You’re welcome to disagree.

The people her own age are feminists. As is Page.

Their feminism just differs from yours.

But my point still stands: if you hear that men have it so great why not become one?

" Devote your existence to telling women that they're oppressed by men because they're women and why be surprised when some women see that they too might have a chance to join 'The Patriarchy' and get some 'male privilege'. "

R75, I remember when Chaz Bono first transitioned and said something to the effect of *paraphrasing* "[He] always felt like an outsider & less-than. With [his] transition, [he] finally feels like life is an even playing field."

Well, hell! Most of us Gays are made to feel less-than & like an outsider! Transitioning seems like a sick & desperate form of cowering to homophobia. "Look at me, I'm normal! I was just trapped in the wrong body! Is this better now?"

[quote]With [his] transition, [he] finally feels like life is an even playing field.

Telling quote.

You’d think, when notably one of the shortest celebrities out there even by female standards (5ft 1 at best), you’d really not bother trying to make it as a guy, but I’ve noticed that many FtMs seem to be shorter than average women, for some reason, and therefore really absurdly short men.

Here’s a pic of another trans Canadian actor (you can guess which one is the FtM) with their castmates (perhaps an insight into how Page will look?? The hat is because he’s bald of course).

So if she is a man now with a woman, that means he is straight, right? So it follows that if he is no longer attracted to the same sex he is therefore, not a member of the LGB community anymore since being gay is about same sex attraction.

I'm a short (cis gay) man and it's tough. She'll find out soon enough...

Anyway, that FtM actually looks like they pass. Not as an attractive man, they remind me a little of my grandpa... but she must've been hitting the T *hard*.

[quote] So if she is a man now with a woman, that means he is straight, right? So it follows that if he is no longer attracted to the same sex he is therefore, not a member of the LGB community anymore since being gay is about same sex attraction.

In theory, but that would mean Caitlyn Jenner is LGB, and the people who use the term LGB don't like her.

I don't think she'll get any surgery.

I feel sympathy for MtFs because being a man is so constricting in our society, but not for Ellen. Women are allowed to be as butch as they want. She isn't even going by he/him like anyone who was serious (like Caitlyn) would do, but he/they.

R94 sure, he does pass in terms of the face because testosterone is a powerful thing, but the height and build are strikingly different to an actual man. His voice is also unconvincing.

Well, Elliot has all that to look forward to.

[quote] A STRONG Black of Color!

Uh oh, Ellie, you in danger gurl, er boi.

I hope you aren't already dead cause you know every day thousands . . .

[quote]but the height and build are strikingly different to an actual man.

I'm a five foot four cis man, so not wildly so...

But anyway, she doesn't look good. Unless she was going for the Danny DeVito look.

He always gave me full dyke vibes but not ever tranny vibes 🤷🏻‍♂️ Also. He’s still a nobody to me

R59 is traumatized!!!! Poor baby. By a ‘weird color’ penis. Lol

R99 the actor is only 45 and was even younger in that picture. Again, the power of testosterone...

That actress at R92 looks like she should be still selling hot dogs from a cart despite multiple warnings from the NYC Dep of Health to shut down.

Is there peen or no peen? That is the question.

She's a man with vertical face lines.

R49 I think there’s truth in that. I had a long term girlfriend who eventually left me for a woman, and she’s been in relationships exclusively with women for the last 20 years. But our sex was frequent, bonkers, intense, satisfying. Every time she breaks up with a lez partner, like clockwork, she wants to hook up with me. I think that she, and a lot of women like her, simply feel more safe and emotionally satisfied with women than men; the sex is really secondary or ancillary.

This is a big fuck you to all lesbians. You Americans are totally fucked up. Yes I'm aware she's British but Hollywood is in the USA

[quote]This is a big fuck you to all lesbians.

You take things personally, huh?

R108 Personally??? Ellen page was a lesbian yes or not?

I don't understand how someone can look at lesbians like Ellen Page saying "Homophobia has hurt me my entire life" and "Now that I call myself a straight man, I feel better about myself", and nor make the crucial connection beytween the two statements.

^* and not make the crucial connection between the two statements

But one person making a decision about their life is a big fuck you to all lesbians?

Melodramatic.

R107 Haha she’s Canadian probably lives in L.A. with her ugly wife.

R112 A British Canadian. Elisabeth II is still their queen.

[quote]I notice that many wonen that identified as gay still stay with their FTM partners once they transition cause I guess they love them so much.

As a lesbian myself, I've always thought there was a difference between women attracted to butches and women attracted to women who look like women. I always thought that women who are attracted to hard butches were actually straight girls who were afraid of dicks. There's a reason you almost never see two butches together. They are playing a straight couple fantasy out and it wouldn't work if they were both butch.

R43: That externalized misogyny and homophobia makes anyone happy is a crime.

As usual, so many bullshit posts here. Most effeminate gay men do not go trans. Most butch lesbians do not go trans. The drama over this is manufactured.

R114 I saw quite a few butches together. And two tomboys couples. Not all FTMs are butch. Hell, most FTMs that I saw were tomboys before transition, a lot of them quite feminine. Even Ellen/Elliot isn't/wasn't that butch. So you are saying that Portia is actually a straight woman?

R117, tomboys and butches are not the same thing. And, Ellen has just turned into an old man recently as her alcoholism took over. I would have put her in the tomboy category until the last two years. Even now, she just looks like an ugly woman, not a man. Butches almost never date each other. That is the truth.

Who the fuck thinks that, R114? Are you really a lesbian?

I personally think penii are repulsive. I even have a spiel about it that has convinced my (straight) sister I should do stand-up comedy. But afraid?? Surely you jest. Even a small fist hitting that neighborhood will bring a man to his knees, and a bite? Hello, Ms. Bobbit!

I have always loved butch women; my "type" has always been women who look like pretty boys. And there are some who would consider me a "soft" butch as well. So much for your stereotype.

Maybe you need to get out more.

R119, yeah, some would consider you "soft" butch. Sure. So, in other words, I was right and you are not a couple with two butches. Afraid, repulsed, disgusted by dick. Whatever term you want to use, you don't want anywhere near you. So, you date someone who looks like a man without the dick. How can you say you are attracted to women when the person you are with looks and acts like a man, only without a dick?

There is a whole different personality to lesbians who date butches exclusively and lesbians who date women who look like women. The embracing of hetero relationship stereotypes is part of it. You can say that's not politically correct to say but it doesn't make it wrong.

Gay guys are similar. There aren't a lot of gay guys who date both really masculine and really feminine men. They have a type and that type is determined by some paradigm of relationships they carry within them. The relationships where one is decidedly masculine and one decidedly feminine hold to a more heteronormative framework than two masculine or two feminine guys together. I don't know as much about gay male relationships, obviously, so I'll ask here...what kind of coupling is the least common in gay male relationships masc/masc or fem/fem?

R118 Never said tomboy and butch are the same. If you don't think Ellen D. is butch then by your definition there's probably 8 butch women in the world. Again, most FTMs weren't some stone cold butches before. Majority were feminine girls or tomboys

Male privilege is real, but it doesn't transfer to biologically born females. Most of the privileges men have over women are biological and the few socioeconomic benefits men have she won't enjoy anyway. She won't be earning more money and getting more roles as a "male" actor since no one is going to hire him for anything. And all the hormones that FTMs have to take will wreck her health and negate any physical advantage. High amounts of testosterone are damaging to female bodies over time.

Does this mean Michael Cera is a girl 👧🏼?

Ellen is and has always been a tomboy who is now growing uglier by the day because of alcoholism, age, and not giving a shit at all anymore. Before the last two years or so, no one would mistake her for a man. Butches look and act like men.

And, no, it's the the femme women transitioning. They're just the ones that stand out when they try because they look ridiculous. The butches who transition are just not noticeable because nothing has changed unless they actually take the hormones and now have a scraggly beard to go with their gut and/or crewcut. It's the same fallacy that makes people think that all lesbians are butch because all the ones they see are butch looking while they fail to realize that they just walked by ten femme lesbians and assumed they were all straight.

[quote] Male privilege is real, but it doesn't transfer to biologically born females. Most of the privileges men have over women are biological and the few socioeconomic benefits men have she won't enjoy anyway.

What's the biological privilege men have?

R125, I assume they mean the ability to physically beat the shit out of almost any woman they feel like or beat her in a running race, etc. You know, the same biological realities that prove that they are biologically men and not women no matter how many dresses they wear or how much makeup they put on.

The Magic Stick Shift

[quote][R125], I assume they mean the ability to physically beat the shit out of almost any woman they feel like or beat her in a running race, etc. You know, the same biological realities that prove that they are biologically men and not women no matter how many dresses they wear or how much makeup they put on.

I don't. Like I said upthread I'm five foot four. Plenty of women have physical advantage over. My maleness has conferred no benefit on me.

What's your talking about is Muscle Privilege not Male Privilege.

We're talking about what ? Two, maybe three indie movies, a shitty Berlanti tv series and that's it ?

Is Ellen Page going to get a dick? (non-judgemental)

I’m betting Ellen P. won’t be going on T or getting her already small breast removed. This is an in name only change. At most she’ll get a hair cut.

Reminds me of Jill Soloway’s “transition”. She did absolutely nothing but chop her hair off and leave her husband. Ellen P. already has the wifey, so one down, one to go.

I feel like we were all beating around the bush.

Wouldn’t Emma Portner have to become a man for them to remain a ‘same-sex’ couple?

As a female actor, she was great.

Unfortunately, Ellen Page is not interesting as an male actor. The character on Umbrella Academy is simply not interesting as a guy.

I mean, when you have this on screen...

Of course rad fems believe not just that gay men have male privilege, but that we're the most privileged of all.

Third wavers don't go that far though. But they still maintain that gay men are privileged.

Oh No! Why are you bigots DEADNAMING Eliot?! You should NEVER mention the pre-transition name of a Trans person! Even if they are only known by the other name & just transitioned 2 seconds ago! OMG! FFs for all of you! The mere mention of that name is VIOLENCE, plain & simple!

Elliot is a STRONG Black TransMan of Color and will not be silenced by any CISgendered, TERF & TEHM terrorists! NO MORE DEADNAMING!

She's not serious about her transition the way MtF are.

Please use his correct pronouns, R137! You will not silence this STRONG BLACK TRANSMAN OF COLOR!

My career is in the shitter! Oh dear! Oh dear! What can I do to remain public and relevant? Oh! Wait! I know . . .

I respect trans women who are serious about their transition.

I do not respect anyone like her, because she's not serious. In five years time she will probably just declare herself no longer male, but simply non-binary and then in another five back to lesbian. FtMs do that all the time.

Once MtFs trans, that's it. There's no going back for them, either in terms of societal acceptance or within themselves.

[quote] Of course rad fems believe not just that gay men have male privilege, but that we're the most privileged of all.

Gay male couples earn more than straight couples and more than lesbian couples. The stats on this go back some years now. And the income gap is a statistically significant one.

So you agree, lesbian at R141?

Of course, gay male couples earn more. They're two men, who usually don't have children. Historically, gay men earned less than straight men on average, but now they earn more. I'm not going to argue privilege based on some socioeconomic statistics. It's ridiculous to think that gay men have more privilege than straight men.

[quote]I'm not going to argue privilege based on some socioeconomic statistics.

Really? Cos it seems like that's what you were trying to do by posting R141.

R124 "fail to realize that they just walked by ten femme lesbians and assumed they were all straight" Lesbians make like 1-2% of the female population. And majority aren't femmes. So you would have to walk for days to pass ten femme lesbians. Also, go look at before and after pictures of some FTMs. Not that many of them were butch

I'm R141. That's it - not any other post until this one.

I thought this was a discussion. Facts and stats can aid in a discussion. Why would anyone take offense at that?

I don't have an answer.

Not having children has nothing to do with earning power. It does have a lot to do with disposable income stats - something else gay male couples lead the way in in some geographic areas.

I do think that you do not lose male privilege just because you are a gay male. If you don't understand that then you don't understand how privilege and unconscious bias works. I'm not saying being a gay male does not weaken the privilege in some instances but it doesn't erase it. Gay and straight men have more in common in this area than they do with gay women. ALL women - gay or straight - share the consequences this negative aspect of society. That's why SEX based rights and protections are vital to reaching an equitable society.

^^ Sorry I meant to say only post on this issue - I think I may have snarked about Ellie somewhere in the thread or maybe another of these Page thread.

[quote] I do think that you do not lose male privilege just because you are a gay male.

[quote] I'm not saying being a gay male does not weaken the privilege in some instances but it doesn't erase it.

[quote]Gay and straight men have more in common in this area than they do with gay women.

R143: Maybe that's because gay men aren't selfish and lazy like heterosexual "men."

[quote][R143]: Maybe that's because gay men aren't selfish and lazy like heterosexual "men."

How hard you work has no impact on wages. It's all down to privilege. Which gay men have and straight women don't.

Apparently.

R113 No one thinks of Canadians as British. Jamaicans and Australians are British too? You sound crazy.

Threadly reminder that the mentally ill, homophobic, woman-hating tranny troll (R60 R67 R75 ... R94, R95, R96, R103 ... R148, R150, etc) is a pathetic, miserable LOSER with NO LIFE. Since arriving here (R54), he has written over 30 posts in this thread alone, meaning that 1 in every 3 replies is coming from him.

Checking this troll's posting history (block him and then click on "Ignored") will show you that he is nothing but a deranged, homophobic tranny troll with extreme mommy issues that lead to a seething hatred towards women. He shows up in every single thread that is even remotely related to trans and does everything he can to either derail the discussion or shut down criticism. Because people have caught wind of him, he has been trying to disguise his trollish, mentally ill nature by appearing more "rational" and posting in other threads. In this thread in particular, he is shifting the discussion away from Ellen Page to make it a debate about the evils of feminism (he read a Wikipedia entry and he now fancies himself an expert). Do not be fooled by him.

Some gems from his posting history:

- Says that Bruce Jenner looks better than actual women.

- Derailed a thread about a Moroccan tranny responsible for the suicides of multiple gay men.

- Considers it perfectly acceptable and justifiable for a man to be brutally attacked by a horde of demented trannies just for saying that women have vaginas.

- Thinks little gay boys should be introduced to cross-dressing and drag.

- Sympathizes with and defends child predator Jonathan/Jessica Yaniv.

- Spends his entire time screeching about women (specially lesbians) and calling them "TERFs", "fish", "dykes", "cis", etc.

- Believes all women are born hardwired to be narcissists.

- Asserts that being a woman (and by extension being a man) is merely "performative".

- Claims that he came here for "Lucille Ball discussions", yet his posting history will show you that he's just a pitiful troll.

This is your brain on transactivism and crippling mental illness, kids.

FF AND BLOCK.

Someone didn't like that a lesbian revealed what they really think of gay men. LOL.

R152 Probably some scary ass looking meth trans witch in real life!

[quote]Thinks little gay boys should be introduced to cross-dressing and drag.

Then he will love the episode of [italic]Silver Spoons[/italic] where Derek made Ricky wear a dress and pretend to be his date at a party at his own house.

In what world was Ellen Page ever butch?

R31 In that Tales of the City show. Diesel dyke.

R146 is very revealing insight into the lesbian mind.

[quote] Not having children has nothing to do with earning power.

Really? Someone needs to take care of kids when they're little. Maybe women choose less stressful careers because they want to have more time to take care of their children. All these things factor into it. It's a lot more complicated than your simple statistic infers.

No, R158. Men evil. Women good.

R158, those are good points. But most married women continue to work even after children come along. So it would seem that the straight women are pulling down the straight men. If the human race is to continue then women will need to keep having babies. There is an answer to that factor and that is to change how society treats women in the workplace. I wonder what the stats are in countries where they have been more progressive in their treatment of childbearing women in the workplace.

[quote] Maybe women choose less stressful careers because they want to have more time to take care of their children.

There it is - the unconscious bias. Are you unmindful of how some of your post reads? Women chose less stressful careers so THEY can take care of the children? Seriously? Yea like all those front line health care workers who are majority female. One of the biggest stress factors is lack of control at work and lower wages. Those in higher earning jobs usually have greater control over their work.

For the record, it's not MY statistic.

[quote]Women chose less stressful careers so THEY can take care of the children?

Yes, dyke.

Straight women often like to spend time with their children.

We know your upset they won't go around abolishing the patriarchy with you.

You're going to have trouble coming to terms with the fact that the current bout of radical feminism that is currently in the ascendant with collapse just like the previous '70s one did.

Straight women aren't leaving their husbands to play Michfest with you.

[quote]I don't. Like I said upthread I'm five foot four. Plenty of women have physical advantage over. My maleness has conferred no benefit on me.

A five foot four male still has a huge muscle advantage over almost any woman. Do you realize that just being a man gives you 50% more muscle power than a woman? I don't think men ever think about that. It's what makes the whole men competing as "women" in sports so ridiculous.

So does an eighty year old five foot four male with AIDS have an advantage over Serena Williams?

R162, yep. Virtually all males are physically stronger than virtually all females, even smaller men or men of a very young or older age. This is inherent and makes the idea that females can effectively compete with males in the vast majority of sports, a total joke.

It’s why fraus ask their 14-year-old sons to pick up and carry heavy things — they themselves (or their daughters) often simply can’t do it but it’s easy for a male child.

[quote] Virtually all males are physically stronger than virtually all females, even smaller men or men of a very young or older age.

So you agree with the point at R163?

Paralysed men are still a rape threat.

So, imagining that "Elliot" will ever again perform in any role worth nominating for an award (Ha!), in which category will s/he/zey/they be nominated?

Or will s/he/they get his/her/their/zir own category?

Does anyone remember this?

I said “virtually all”, R165.

Serena Williams is an extreme outlier amongst women, and of course is stronger than a lot of older men with a health condition.

However nearly all teenage boys and even many men old enough to draw their pensions, are stronger and have more stamina than virtually all adult females, even a lot of those who are athletes by female competitive standards.

Many men who draw pensions are stronger than female pro athletes?

I know female athletes are bad but...

The point being, dyke, that privilege is therefore afforded to STRONG people not MALE people.

I’m a male who could easily be beaten to death, and who has been scared of, butch lesbians who tower over me.

Michael Cera’s mother’s name is Linda Cockman.

Uh, yeah, you tedious misogynist troll fantasist, that’s why men in women’s sport is such a stupid idea, dumbo woman-hater. Many aged men could compete against peak condition women.

You’ve never been afraid of a butch lesbian. Anyway, you’ve already been called out in this thread.

[quote] You’ve never been afraid of a butch lesbian.

Yes, I have.

Of course the dykes have made clear in this thread that male privilege extends to ALL men. Even gay men.

I wonder when I can pick mine up🤷‍♂️

To preserve my fondest and most important X-Men memories growing up, I just went to check that Shawn Ashmore & Aaron Stanford hadn't written anything dumb to encourage this on their social media accounts the way Anna Paquin unfortunately has.

To my immense relief, there's not a word been said about this by either (yet). Aaron is just happily tweeting political memes and 'expand the court' per usual, while Shawn is hard at work promoting his new show and taking breaks only to flirt with Ian McKellen.

Pyro & Iceman, the only gay sons of whom I'm still proud.

Anna Paquin’s just trying to get in the game.

R161 LOL yasss

It’s worth repeating:

[quote]Oh she not only said she was trans and queer, she said she was trans and non-binary. How the FUCK does THAT work? You're changing your gender but you have no gender?

This. As a society, we suffer from excessive self-absorption.

Read the replies. They'll cheer you up.

She ain’t gay if she a man

She ain’t gay if she a man

She ain’t gay if she a man

Ellen page? Who’s even checking for her? Has a dumb little kids show on Netflix. Netflix working on changing her credits now and IMDb. Fuck this stupidity. Hope she never works again, personality disordered little lesbian.

Page was in a pay dispute with Netflix and played the trans card to keep from getting canned.

It's interesting how the trans women on Twitter usually refer to themselves as "girls" and not women - girl being a prepubescent woman and all. See "doom girl" above, who is obviously a confused and personality-disordered man.

I was watching a drag queen the other day say that being *just gay* was too onesided and boxed in, and that's why identifying as queer/nonbinary is better. 🙄 Christ on a cracker they really think they're special lol.

20/15 years down the line when this fad is well and truly over the hill it will be interesting to see what they all have to say for themselves.

R180 worst-case Ontario, Elliot can just move in with Lahey...

R179 Alex Jones of all people has a point when he says, "we're such self-centred CRAP, we don't even notice Hell itself rising up against us..."

R180 I love how the people in the comments section bring humorous comments that dismantle regressive trans dogma ("I wore plaid yesterday, guess I'm genderfluid now", etc), meanwhile all the Ts can do is screech about how "the TERFs have found this tweet!!!!" and cry "transphobia!!!!" They are so accustomed to their curated echo chambers that any instance of opposition must immediately be met with the same zeal as the Inquisition.

So, is this photo of Elliot? Like is this the photo released with the announcement?

Why is his hair still long, and why is he wearing make-up?

It's exhausting, all of this.

I liked him better as a lesbian, but whatever floats his boat.

You tend to see more FTM than MTF because society has accepted butch women in a way that it hasn't accepted feminine men. I doubt people would be as cool with Ella becoming Elliot if it was Elliot becoming Ella.

R180 and R190, so right. That's how trans argue. When you call them out or ask them to explain anything they immediately call you a transphobe or terf. They have no answers which is why they try to do everything sub rosa. The answer is to call them out on the nonsense and the lies.

They have gotten away with no pushback for so long. Is anyone aware of legislation in DC regarding children and trans? Anything about the age of 11 as some demarcation line? Perhaps consent for some trans stage? Heard something but the person was unclear what they meant.

Keira Bell won her lawsuit in the UK suing Tavistock and oine of the NHS Trusts for allowing her to "consent" to puberty blockers when she was incapable of giving informed consent.

All trans people are tedious, annoying, and typically aggressive but I do tend to have more respect for MTF than FTM. At least MTF actually make an attempt to try and look like women, if even if they don't do so successfully. They're the ones who actually try to pass, the ones who actually try to get surgery to pass, the ones that actually want to fit in with cis people.

Most FTMS are literally just dykes who say they're men. They don't make any attempt to change anything about themselves to actually resemble a man, unlike MTFs. FTMs just slap on a pair of jeans and expect for you to call them a boy, despite the fact that they still wear makeup and still have feminine hair. That's why most people say that FTMs are just today's version of the bull dyke.

[quote] At least MTF actually make an attempt to try and look like women, if even if they don't do so successfully. They're the ones who actually try to pass,

Geez, R195. That's just it. They are ALL about stereotypes and appearances. That is not what makes you a woman. SMDH.

R196 It might be all stereotypes, but at least it's an actual attempt to look like a female. FTMs don't even do that.

R192 LOL. The bitch has no hair. Cant afford hair plugs with that Netflix check.

[quote] You tend to see more FTM than MTF because society has accepted butch women in a way that it hasn't accepted feminine men. I doubt people would be as cool with Ella becoming Elliot if it was Elliot becoming Ella.

How many famous FTMs are there? Chaz and Elliot.

How many famous MTFs are there? Laverne Cox, Caitlyn Jenner, Jazz Jennings, Josie Totah, Indya Moore and all the other MTFs on Pose, NikkieTurorisls, Blaire White, etc, etc.

I am cis-gendered male who considers himself a raging queen.

THIS IS MY TRUTH.

I await the world's response.

Is she the new Susie on Mrs. Maisel?

Sorry but you’re full of shit r197. Buck Angel and the more roided up FTMs easily pass as men, because facial hair is almost always perceived as a male characteristic. Testosterone is was more powerful than estrogen.

[quote]I was watching a drag queen the other day say that being *just gay* was too onesided and boxed in, and that's why identifying as queer/nonbinary is better.

Was it Jinkx Monsoon, R187?

[quote]You tend to see more FTM than MTF because society has accepted butch women in a way that it hasn't accepted feminine men. I doubt people would be as cool with Ella becoming Elliot if it was Elliot becoming Ella.

Well... I'm not so sure about [italic]that[/italic].....

She looks bulimic. She's got those chicmunk cheeks in op's pic

I hope she has plenty of money saved because her career is over. And at 5ft 1, she'll never pass as a man except amongst the dwarf community. What a stupid thing to announce.

R203, It was Scarlett Bobo from the Canadian version of Drag Race. Recently 'came out' as nonbinary. Almost every queen is coming out as something now, I can't keep up.

Nobody under 5 ft 6 should consider becoming a transman, and nobody over 5 ft 10 should consider becoming a transwoman. Height is something you can't change.

Everyone that says her career is wrong is over. She intelligently did this to revive her career. Trans is the flavor of the month, so like Laverne Cox, any time a project needs a trans person to play a trans person good ol' Elliot will be called upon.

I'm guessing Ellen knew this before she decided to transition. In fact, I'd even wager that this is the reason why she's decided to "transition", which is the same reason she's going by he/they while not doing anything to actual change herself. It's a very easy way to widen your role options while simultaneously cashing in on a trend that's blowing up.

It won't have staying power, but it's a smart career move in the moment.

She won't be getting any surgery, any hormones, etc. The he/they thing was a smart way to avoid that. She can claim to be "an androgynous trans man" while basically not changing anything about her body or appearance yet still claiming to be a trans man. She'll basically be the same dyke she always was, just one that gets to cash in on the trans trend and get offered trans roles now.

She just seems like a silly little girl to me. What is her problem anyway?

Hold up, she is now both he and they? So both male and nonbinary, but definitely not female?

My head, it reels from the specialness!

[quote]However nearly all teenage boys and even many men old enough to draw their pensions, are stronger and have more stamina than virtually all adult females, even a lot of those who are athletes by female competitive standards.

Actually, in general, women have more stamina than men.

[quote] that’s why men in women’s sport is such a stupid idea, dumbo woman-hater.

No, that’s why women’s sports is such a dumb idea.

And the thing about it all is, again, just like Ellen Page, YOU caused it.

We remember when you demanded for decades we believe that women could do anything men could, that women were strong, that women’s sports were just as good as men’s, that Megan Rapinoe deserved to be paid just as much as any man playing soccer.... and now you don’t like the end result of that.

You can keep trans women out of women’s sports, but you’ll first have to have all those dykes with the Rosie Riveter Twitter avis admit that women’s sports are pathetic. That women can’t win against even the most unathletic man and that women’s sports should occupy the same social space as the paralympics.

It’ll be funny and I can’t wait to see the humiliation in your eyes when you’re forced to admit Megan Rapinoe is just the world’s tallest midget.

[quote] You’ve never been afraid of a butch lesbian.

Denying gay men’s experiences again.

Many of use have been afraid of not just butch lesbians but even normal women. It’s in the UK strangely where there are lots of stories about gay men being physically attacked by women.

But nobody cares about us.

When most gay men hear the term male privilege they think rad fems apply it to the kind of straight men who bullied us in high school.

Then they discover that they apply it to all men — and gay men are apparently the most privileged of all.

No woman not matter how strong, white, straight, rich, powerful can have privilege over a man no matter how weak he is — or gay, in his horrible world that gay men but lives dykes.

That’s what they think and they’ll call gay men bigots when we object.

R213, you fucking dumbass, women weren't fighting to play against men in sports. They wanted the opportunity to play sports for fun, exercise, and the occasional scholarship, not your fucking entertainment.

And trans women can’t have fun or exercise?

Maybe what you really don’t like is that you’ll have some competition for all the straight women you like to ogle in the changing room because you think you stand a chance with them.

Don’t worry. You don’t.

[quote]Many of use have been afraid of not just butch lesbians but even normal women.

Really? This is intriguing. I've been here for years and have never read a comment from another gay gay about being *afraid* of women. Interesting. Have you always been afraid of them? Any particular reasons why?

[quote] FTMs easily pass as men,

Maybe, if your looking at a photo on-line.

But see them in the street. Or bare-chested. Or pantsless.

She’s a girl, and a cute one too.

I wonder if she behaves like that grannie who wants pancake pie when you use the wrong pronoun?

There’s that quote that dykes love, R218, about men being afraid women will laugh at them while women are afraid men will kill them.

A lot of effeminate gay men, like myself, have felt the pain of being laughed at.

Not at all fear exists on the physical level, even if you find a gay man who could theoretically overpower said homophobic women. Of course, he’d then be charged with assault, unlike when women assault gay men and get off scot free...

[quote] it's a smart career move in the moment.

Exactly, R208. I work in publishing and am in contact with journalists looking for books to tie in to articles they're writing. One emailed me asking for any relevant authors to quote (we have no trans titles), but we like to gossip, and he shared a few forwarded emails between a few of his colleagues. All the major trans nonprofits and GLAAD sent congratulatory press releases within minutes of Page's announcement, quoting her nearly in full. This was not a spontaneous revelation, but a well-prepared marketing campaign.

Prior to becoming just about hating trans women and gay men and being used as a weapon by British housewives to call us bigots, radical feminism did make the rare decent point back in the ‘70s (about sport or whatever).

Now it’s directed so tightly on men in dresses — and that is their objection — the sight of a man in a dress, it’s impossible for it not to be homophobic.

Yep, five years as Elliott then back to Ellen if that doesn’t work out with something to talk about on The View in 2028.

My heart goes out to genuine trans women, and not women jumping on the non-binary trend.

Barbara Herzstein was born in 1948.

She changed into Barbara Hershey in 1966.

She changed into Barbara Seagull in 1973.

She changed into Barbara Hershey in 1976.

[quote] She changed into Barbara Seagull in 1973.

The world was a little crazy then.

Dykes were at their most powerful the .

*then.

Jesus christ. Who but her own publicist would keep floating this. This is hardly monumental news, or really even worth thinking about. I guess I must say, who gives a fuck?

This is not representation! A he/they playing a female role? Wtf literal violence

It’s so easy to be a dyke to in our society. She just wants attention.

Her forehead is like the complete reversal of Theresa Giudice’s. Holy Mother!

Gender warrior

[quote] Her forehead…

You mean fivehead

She is going to be recast in Umbrella Academy right? Otherwise it's literal violence to force a trans man to act like a woman.

Elliot is part of this miserable people who search a solution to their depression and are brainwashed into believing they're trans.

I believe they are real trans, born with body/dismorphia dismorphia. They have felt all their life they were in the wrong "body" and I have no problem with them transionning to finally feel good and happy.

Elliot is just a miserable bitch who gonna detrans in few years after he realizes his life is as just miserable as a male.

Years ago I tried to have a conversation with a trans woman on another message board. I was not rude or anything, just curious and asking questions. I got nothing but insults in return (TERF! Transphobia! How dare you!) but no real arguments. When more people got involved and also asked questions, the trans woman threatened to commit suicide. End of discussion.

But most rad fem discussion usually involves debating the rights of trans women and gay men.

Which isn't acceptable.

Gay men have a right to surrogacy, for instance. That isn't up for debate.

R237 That's because they're not real trans. Real trans people have no problem explaining what they feel and who they are.

Then there is the attention seeking bunch made of queer, non-binary and trans.genres They're special snowflakes on steroids and search for an identity that will make them different and part of a group.

If that group is an "oppressed" minority, that's even better, they can spend their life on twitter moaning about how marginalized and oppressed they are while they insult the TERFS and threaten to kill and rape them.

The 'queer' people are always women though.

Which rad fems refuse to acknowledge.

How far back in time do you want to go to be free of all the trans stuff?

Fringe bullshit. Pure Buffalo bill. I will never acknowledge any of it.

R240 No, there are queer men.

No, they're overwhelmingly women.

There may be a few gay men who feel it's easier to say queer than gay male -- the hardest thing in the world to be -- but most straight teen boys have nothing to do with this.

Even a lot of the most homophobic straight men don't accuse gay men of being privileged.

Is she the one who went on Stephen Colbert and said Jussie Smollett being attacked is real?

Ellen effectively outed Alexander Skarsgard when she came out as lesbian after they'd faux dated. That, I enjoyed.

God I want Alexander Skarsgard to fuck me. Perfect man.

Years ago I tried to have a conversation with a rad fem on another message board. I was not rude or anything, just curious and asking questions. I got nothing but insults in return (Misogynist! Mommy issues! How dare you!) but no real arguments. When more people got involved and also asked questions, the rad fem FFd us. End of discussion.

Haha R207 is so right. And sounds like a football coach. "INTANGIBLES!! Can't teach six feet!!"

Haha R207 is so right. And sounds like a football coach. "INTANGIBLES!! Can't teach six feet!!"

[quote] Is she the one who went on Stephen Colbert and said Jussie Smollett being attacked is real?

Yes. When the work dried up a few years ago she turned to activism. She showed up at Dakota Pipeline, at early BLM protests, MeToo. I think most of us recognize this type— people desperate to have a “cause” to give their lives meaning, even if that cause changes every year or so. Trans is just another cause for Page. Read her letter. It’s full of savior speak.

[quote] I think most of us recognize this type— people desperate to have a “cause” to give their lives meaning, even if that cause changes every year or so.

Correct. This is a very female behavior.

I'm a lesbian, and I've never liked her anaemic nervy attempts at acting or her straining virtue-signalling ways. She wasn't an ideal poster-girl for us, so in a way this is a blessing as well as a curse.

Her former co-star and leading man Michael Cera makes a better lesbian than she ever did (sidebar is he gay? I thought he was Clark Duke's twinky boyfriend when they first broke in).

You MUST share a link to a reliable source that US doctors are legally performing FEMALE circumcision in US hospitals.

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Lesbians -especially tomboys and butches - change, short, or androgynise given names all the time, btw. It's a trope and a cliche joke that all lesbian chosen names are monosyllabic unisex names. I'm not even a butch (flannel-femme or soft futch at the very most), and I still use a nickname that is one-syllable, masc-sounding, and nothing like my given name (an old-fashioned feminine housewife name, same as Ellen's).

Though it happens a lot, I don't know why this is so common. Perhaps it's a way to distance ourselves from the shackling expectations of a heterocentric society where we are expected to perform medium-high femininity, or maybe it's just a way to demark our lives before/after being out & proud (you'll notice name changes occur just after a lesbian comes out, usually).

Ellen could easily have just cut her hair, started wearing tanks. going to the gym, and going by Elliot without a single reference to T, and we would have seen this as a normal drift toward increasing butchiness. But that doesn't make headlines or get you affirmative job offers....

R252 I know this type of people. Some miserable individual who want attention because there is nothing else for them.

There are, or used to be, plenty of lesbians who took on men's names and male pronouns but still claimed to be women and lesbians.

Dresses 👗 are for girls, Blech 🤢

R226 Barbara Hershey isn't "a dyke"

Heterosexuality is a choice and tr-ns is ex-gay therapy. She just proved it.

[quote][R226] Barbara Hershey isn't "a dyke"

No, but dykes were at the peak of their cultural power circa 1973.

And that resulted in things like that happening as they began to influence broader culture.

Didn’t her partner/wife come out in the media yesterday proclaiming that she has no sex or isn’t a man or woman or something to that effect? Can’t find the link... but basically isn’t a he or a she. So would that be an “it” ?

[quote]Male privilege is real

Ah yes, men are very privileged to be killed 4 times more often than women on a global scale, to be sent to fight wars, to be locked up in prison for lengthier penalties for equal crimes, and to be exploited as slave labor while in prison (a possibility that international law prohibits against women prisoners but allows for men and boys from the age of 15). Do you know why California fires have become more difficult to control lately? Because the local government is finally doing something about the male prison labor that used to be sent to put out the fires for a dollar.

Women are the privileged sex. How many times have you ever seen a girl hit or scratch a boy and then tell him in response: "You can't hit me because I'm a girl"?

When women go out to the streets, she always carries, as a silent assumption, the belief that the men around her have a duty to treat her well, to speak lowly when she confronts them, to give her space when she walks like a trailblazer on the sidewalks, just because she is a woman.

Wasn't there a writer at NYT who wrote an article about this subject? When he, a black man, takes to the streets, he said, he and most other pedestrians - including women of color and men of all colors - make an effort to avoid bumping into each other. The only ones who make no such effort are the white women, who pass over him like a tractor over an old house.

Speaking of white women more precisely - why is there the Karen phenomenon? Because of this "silent belief" - because women have grown used to behaving in an unworthy, scandalous or meddling way, without the people around them calling their behavior into question.

‘Elliot’ was such a poor choice of name.

She’s always going to be the lesser gay as compared with Misdemeanor.

How self-loathing do you have to be to want to be anything other than gay? Enough to actually go to this extreme to achieve that end?

As an addendum to the post above, at r264, I just wanted to observe how tone deaf it is, on the part of lesbians on this site, to come to a website for gay men and prattle on and on about "male privilege", when gay men have been persecuted for centuries on account of our sexuality while nobody gave a fig about lesbians, who were free to do whatever they wanted.

Ellen did not come out as trans to acquire any male privilege, because, as I said above, there is no such thing. Enough of this ridiculous argument. Ellen is a typical Hollywood Millennial actress - liberal, feminist, engaged in social causes. Never that she would have taken that decision only because she wanted to get a taste of male power, or any nonsense of that kind, which sounds more like talk from a comic book villain. And the vast majority of young FTMs are the same as her. They are a bunch of brats who consume social justice rhetoric 24 hours a day on Tumblr and Twitter, and become obsessed with being queer and taking down the walls of the cispatriarchy.

[quote] As an addendum to the post above, at [R264], I just wanted to observe how tone deaf it is, on the part of lesbians on this site, to come to a website for gay men and prattle on and on about "male privilege", when gay men have been persecuted for centuries on account of our sexuality while nobody gave a fig about lesbians, who were free to do whatever they wanted.

Yes, yes, yes.

There is plenty of male privilege if we are even having this conversation. Heterosexual male privilege, that is.

[quote]Heterosexual male privilege, that is.

Except, as we've seen above, it isn't heterosexual male privilege. It's just male privilege, and the women on this thread have already stated that we have it as much as straight men.

R238 R240 R241 R244 R249 R253 R258 R262 R268 R270 The mentally ill troll (see R152) has now written over 60 posts since arriving here. Imagine being such a pathetic, miserable, unemployed sack of FAILURE with NO LIFE that the highlight of your day is spending hours on end trolling on an anonymous website. One of his favorite pastimes is calling women "fish", which, unbeknownst to him, is a clear indicator of his age. He must spend his days sitting on his bedsored ass in front of a circa 1998 Dell monitor and collecting social security checks (while crying about "cunts" and "dykes" of course). Lol, what a fucking LOSER!

What is his new cock made of?

Well, R271, he said upthread that he's TERRIFIED of women, so one can imagine the level of trauma he has had in his life, and how he can cope with the idea of actually leaving his place of residence.....

It's so funny when gay men share their experiences of homophobic they've suffered at the hands of women!

She always did seem uncomfortable with herself and she's an adult so...

R262 Bullshit. Lesbianism became cool in the 90s and noughties. And don't call lesbians dykes. Would you like people referring to you as a faggot!

Dyke and f****t are remotely alike.

AREN'T

Lesbian chic precedes the 90s. In my country, there was this interview an aged pop star and someone from the audience asked her about lesbianism (perhaps encouraged by the woman's offbeat looks). The woman replied that she is straight, that when she feels horny and masturbates she thinks of a man, but that, in the 80s, she would make out with girls in public places because she liked the attention and for the shock value. My country is in South America and is far from being among the most liberal in the world; so, if lesbianism was already chic here in the 80s, it was certainly also so in the advanced world.

Lesbians themselves hark back to the ‘70s.

Many instances; ask them.

R277 To your lesbophobic brain they aren't. To the rest of the world they are

As I said in the previous thread about Ellen Page's transition, I have no great sympathy for the trans cause, because of what trans activists have been doing to gay men in the debate about Stonewall. But at the same time, I have no sympathy for radical feminism, because I know that what inspires this movement is an extreme form of Nietzschean ressentiment, of loser hatred against men, including against gay men. The position of radical feminism is that for whatever reasons - cultural or biological - men are moral garbage, rapists, and wife beaters, and that is why trans women, as a type of man, are the target of so much hysteria among these feminists.

Below is a a screenshot from Twitter showing what a radical feminist (a lesbian, by the way) recently said about surrogacy for gay men - her argument overflows with homophobia, but at the same time it is a perfectly natural conclusion of the radical feminist view about men. Note, too, that although her argument explicitly attacks only surrogacy for gay men, it may well be applied against adoptive and foster gay families, as she very likely knows well.

Ellen/Elliot should have spoken to some established well-respected older lesbians before she did this. Had she done the research and talked to the community, I have a feeling she might have just quietly reconfigured her aesthetic instead.

[quote] KIMBERLY PEIRCE: "Butch is a female body, that wants to stay in a female body, but loves female masculinity....stud/butch is a term of huge affection.....I think for us, it's female bodies, with masculinity. I'm sure, since the beginning of time, there have been butches...."

[quote] SUE FREIDRICH: "You do have a feeling of being an outsider, a feeling of being different. You're know you're seen a certain way in public."

[quote] JENNY SHIMIZU: "I was always going to be the person sitting right in front of you, and naturally so - I don't think there was any kind of shift."

[quote] MICKALENE THOMAS: "Butch is empowerment; self-identified; self-awareness; strength; love; owning your own body; and unapologetic."

[quote] ALISON BECHDEL: "The first word I would say [relating to butchness] is 'authentic'."

R265 The “lesbian” on the right isn’t a man?

I am so proud of Elliot Page for transitioning and becoming a beacon of hope for humanity.

That said, now that Page is a straight man he is officially an oppressor and deserves nothing but our contempt.

Titania McGrath - perfect! LOL!

That straight white male privilege shining through.

I agree with Titania unironically.

R283 Peirce is genderqueer

A network of sexist stereotypes combined with an anti-gay slur.

She seems deeply troubled.

She's only a boy the way Sandy Duncan was a boy in "Peter Pan."

FtMs get almost instantaneous acceptance, MtFs don’t because of homophobia in society.

[quote] FtMs get almost instantaneous acceptance, MtFs don’t because of homophobia in society.

Well that's not true. If there is any "truthiness" to it then it is because FtMs cause little harm to anyone and no one really takes them seriously as the opposite sex. MtFs, on the other hand, never disregard their male privilege and need to control everyone and everything. The incidence of MtF aggression, misogyny and actual violence is abnormally high.

[quote] If there is any "truthiness" to it then it is because FtMs cause little harm to anyone

I thought they were harassing gay men who didn't want to have sex with them?

I don't see how MtFs hurt gay men though. Not that you're even pretending to still care about them, lesbian.

There was that ftm who invaded gay sex clubs and deliberately infected gay men with AIDS. Heterosexual ftm's that fetishize gay men are disgusting, and I'd say as equally dangerous as their male counterparts.

[quote]There was that ftm who invaded gay sex clubs and deliberately infected gay men with AIDS.

How?

[quote] NEWS: West Midlands PC Skye Morden is determined to blaze a trail for other transgender police officers. Skye knew that though she was assigned male at birth and had lived as a man for many years, she was, in fact, female.

That was the least disturbing photo they could find?

Some of the replies are gold.

R295, If I recall correctly she had contracted AIDS from a previous partner (who I think was bi,) and she was happy about having AIDS because she said (to paraphrase) it made her feel like "a real gay man and closer to her gay brothers". She said she never took her clothes off, only lowered her pants so they saw her ass but not the rest of her.

Can't imagine going to a club to find one of these creeps waiting around the corner.

R282, Look up Redstockings of the Women's Liberation Movement- 60s/70s. Radical feminist have always been major homophobes.

She's no more interesting as Elliot.

Zzzzzzzzzz, R298. Alao, not true.

*Also.

And still not true.

Straight men are the biggest homophobes and always have been but gay guys want to fuck them, so it's all the evil women who are to blame for everything!

Correction: want to GET fucked by them.

Lou Sullivan was her name r295. Here’s her wiki entry but beware, it’s full of wokespeak.

R302 most gay men will never realise or own up to the fact that it was they themselves who, unwittingly or knowingly, help set up the system that now devalues them as well as women gay & straight. By not opposing straight men and by championing their misogynistic values and their hetero-centric gatekeeping, gay men subjugate themselves. There's something of the deplorable about it; such a bittersweet and tragic irony that the very homophobia we all face every-day was in part catalysed by casual entitled gay males slavishly desperate to appease and court straight men who deep down despise and deride them.

But fish are disgusting, feminists deserve corrective rape, women are drooling subhumans, and you all don't care, right?

How can she still play a lesbian on the Umbrella Academy, shouldn't that role go to a lesbian and not a straight man.

R305 You make quite a jump there you crazy fucking bitch. Gays wanting straight dick right on to women needing corrective rape? No one gives a fuck about lesbians. It’s your fantasy that people want to rape them. My god, most are hideous.

"I took a certain pleasure in informing the gender clinic that even though their program told me I could not live as a Gay man, it looks like I'm going to die like one."

Yikes, R304.

R300, I see you're not one for facts then, especially when it doesn't support your agenda. Fact: radfems are homophobes always have been.

R307 bravo, you managed to fit 'ugly', 'crazy', and 'bitch' in a few short sentences. You do still need 'slut' to make a complete statement, but otherwise well done you for proving my point exactly. It took almost no provocation to get you to spew the most vile invective revealing that you perceive women as inferior and weaker, because that's what straight men want you to think and need you to think in order that you gladly subordinate yourself to their will and their system of belief. It's so sad.

Perhaps this lesbian is crazy or hideous or a bitch, perhaps we all are - but you're still the one wearing the metaphorical gimp mask by choice, honey. You don't have to do this. You could be above it, and come out of the cold. You could take back maleness and masculinity and keep it for yourself instead of taking second place to hetero men. It's up to you.

Ugh. That face.

Why won't the block thread button work??

R304, Yep, that's the one. Homophobic straight woman thought catching AIDS was going to turn her magically into a gay man 🙄 Glad she's dead.

[quote] Yikes, [R304].

Yeah, she was a real piece of work. There’s another woman out there now who is basically Lou Jr. She’s an Irish FTM who claims to be a gay man, works with some AIDS charity, and is actively seeking to be HIV+.

“I love that I am trans. And I love that I am queer. [bold]And the more I hold myself close and fully embrace who I am, the more I dream, the more my heart grows and the more I thrive.[/bold]“

I love... I love... embrace... dream... heart... Can anyone picture a straight man (which is what Ellen claims to be -- a man attracted to women) writing that? Even the part in bold? In fact, I can even imagine a gay man typing that out.

Isn't it funny that, in a statement coming out as a man, she can't help but sound so extremely female?

And with their usual lack of self-awareness...

It took just five posts (R300 to R305) for a rad fem to go from saying rad fems aren’t homophobic to blaming gay men for homophobia.

She used I, my, and myself ten times in that quote at r314. That should tell you everything.

I meant, "fact, I [bold]can't[/bold] even imagine a gay man typing that out."

The fact that they chose the photo @ R296 reminds me of this:

My agenda, R309? I don't have one. But you do. We get it, you hate feminists. Snooze.

And by the way, R309, since you mention "facts," where are your facts?

No one’s ever going to bow down to some fat, ugly, hateful woman in sweats and Birkenstocks.

[quote] We get it, you hate feminists.

As though that isn’t the most rational way for gay men to feel.

R319, Lol I don't care enough about you to hate you, you're kind are as boring and tedious as the TRAs you incessantly complain about. My response was to 282, who made a factual observation of radfems being stereotypical homophobes. And you can find a dozen of those RF accounts. If you feel homophobia is just too tiresome for you then perhaps you should get off a board that is for gay men.

R320, I already mentioned Redstockings. Look up the history of 60s/70s radfems, but you don't even need to go back that far because as 282 pointed out in that tweet nothing has changed, seventy years later and still homophobes.

Most girls who transition these days all want to be 'gay bois', very few are lesbian. Heres one of them who has just detransitioned, taking about how she wanted to be a 'cute, artsy gay boy'. And how she thought she could go from an awkward, androgynous girl into a celebrated cute gay man.

WHAT IN THE FUCK

That girl is adorable--but, fuck me, her voice is disgusting.

Most FTMs change their voice one they start taking the T. MTFs still sound like men.

Another girl with male voice

I knew that their voices become masculine, but that person's voice is more like a teenager, and not like a dude in his 20s.

And now that she's a girl again, it's totally bizarre for that voice to be emanating from that body.

(I'm the poster who knows the trans men who used to have a beautiful singing voice--as a soprano--and teaches vocal performance. Though I don't know how the teaching goes--his old voice is totally gone, and the new one is gross. I also know a transman who didn't take T because he is a voiceover artist--in a female register--and he doesn't want to lose his livelihood. But he did get top surgery.)

He looks like a drunk drifter character off Andy Griffith.

r325 was a cute boy. I hope her voice changes back.

its permanent. Its kind of funny/sad that its the first change that happens in transitioning and yet its one of the most concrete ones.

As long as she doesn't go along with other trans FTM's in their crusade to rape gay men then I say good luck to him.

One of the worst effects of this poisonous social contagion is the loss of all the best-looking, creative, andro and high-dapper butches from the lesbian community.

As a lesbian who appreciates an aesthetic and a pretty masc, this is tragic. I’d happily date a gorgeous butch, even one who cross dresses or cosplays (within reason, obviously not the furry/anime creeps), but it’s an instant full turnoff if they are polluted with testosterone and masquerading as a ‘gay man’ (which I’m sure irks my DL uncles & brothers, too).

Page isn’t my type really (too normcore, American, and cutesy), but I’d have dated someone like this person (at the link) back before she took T.

[quote] and masquerading as a ‘gay man’

Wait... if a lesbian trans, wouldn’t that make her a straight man.

r334, I knew a lesbian who was the cutest looking boy ever- everyone assumed she was (she was taller too- maybe 5'10"), and she would get all sorts straight women trying to pick her up, until they found out she was a woman. Sort of caught up through FB with her 20 years later, and she transitioned to a man. He's still really attractive though. He does date women.

Everyone says FTMs are supposed to be cute, but I never see it. They look like Reddit neckbeards.

See Elliot is close to Ellen so this is OK. But Caitlyn is nowhere near Bruce, (Brucella would've been better), so that is where Bruce / Caitlyn made his/her mistake, well that and killing someone.

FTMs are RARELY cute unless the woman was very tall to begin with.

As though that isn’t the most "rational" way for certain unloved, unlovable, misogynist queers to feel.

Fixed that for you, R322. And I'm looking right at you.

Actually, I think both you, R323 and R282, are a couple of whining misogynist bores.

And cunt R323, I'll be on any fucking board I want to be on.

r341 thinks I'm a "misogynist bore" for the simple fact that I exposed the existence of extreme homophobia and among lesbian feminists in r282. It's amazing how these people don't think twice before accusing gay men of misogyny, but they will never admit that lesbian/feminist homophobia exists even when feminists and lesbians are publicly agitating against the existence of gay male-led families on the basis that gay men will fuck their kids!

What is it that causes this kind of cognitive dissonance and entitlement - is it being spoiled? Is it the little princess syndrome that affects western women as soon as they're born?

Glamorous and inspirational Caitlyn Jenner reaches out to Elliot Page with love and support.

This man/woman/transgender/attention whore does not deserve two threads.

[quote]FtMs get almost instantaneous acceptance, MtFs don’t because of homophobia in society.

This is odd since both groups are mentally ill.

[quote]Skye knew that though she was assigned male at birth and had lived as a man for many years, she was, in fact, female.

HUH?

How do people get away with even typing such bullshit! NO ONE is"assigned" your gender any more than you were "assigned" two eyes!

Skye had lived as a man for many years, because he was, and is in fact, male.

[quote]“I love that I am trans. And I love that I am queer. And the more I hold myself close and fully embrace who I am, the more I dream, the more my heart grows and the more I thrive.“

Wow, so great a need to convince herself of this backwash!

PS- Only women think like this. Real women. What's the deal with being "trans" AND "queer"? I am a gay man, and I don't identify as "queer", nor do I allow others to identify me this way. Is that only for straight "trans" people? It's so hard to tell!

The woman at r325 at long last candidly admits she had NO physical dysphoria, but rather she "was told to describe it as a 'social dysphoria' ", and got caught up in the "2015 trans narrative"! This is shocking. It sure sounds as if she sought a lot of counselling as to how to facilitate her teen angst within the new trans narrative and Gender Identity Movement.

"I mean, I saw all of these handsome buff (FtM) Aidens and Elliotts, and I wanted to be seen like them."

She was told she had "a male soul." This is so bizarre and tragic, and if I may observe a very "white person's" manner of finding oneself!

It seems like these young people have been led to believe mightily that the worst thing that will ever happen to them is to be "misgendered" by some stranger, and then after it happens admitting that in all of their short lives, it really was.

They. Are. All. Bonkers. And. Narcissists!

Gawd, that kid in r327's video is certainly easy to like and root for, but....not exactly a brainiac, huh?

[quote]Gay male couples earn more than straight couples and more than lesbian couples.

Total bullshit.

r335 You would be shocked at the number of 'lesbians' who become 'gay' men after transition. There is debate wether its a literal change due to testosterone and its affect, or wether they simply id'ed as lesbian before as they were butch, and could not see themselves being in a relationship with a man as a woman and all that entails - but basically they were never homosexual females.

[quote]As though that isn’t the most "rational" way for certain unloved, unlovable, misogynist queers to feel.

Don't call us that Q word, dyke.

[quote] And cunt [R323], I'll be on any fucking board I want to be on.

Because you don't care about gay men's boundaries.

[quote]FtMs get almost instantaneous acceptance, MtFs don’t because of homophobia in society.

It's just an extension of how society treats women who wear pants ("brave! independent! down to earth!") versus men who wear dresses ("deviant! mentally ill! attention seeking!") etc...

[quote][R335] You would be shocked at the number of 'lesbians' who become 'gay' men after transition. There is debate wether its a literal change due to testosterone and its affect, or wether they simply id'ed as lesbian before as they were butch, and could not see themselves being in a relationship with a man as a woman and all that entails - but basically they were never homosexual females.

I haven't heard of that. But it adds credence to my theory that lesbian is mostly an identity, rather than a sexuality.

TERFs are projecting their abnormalities. They being bitter, mentally unstable, unappealing, penis hating women, even amongst their own cult.

R351/R355 and of course, straight men behaving in some horrifying entitled pornsick ways and becoming increasingly sociopathic as a group has nothing to do with those crazy straight bitches?

And I’m a lesbian frequently chagrined and embarrassed by the nonsens of hetero ladies, saying this. These women do need to wake up, act fast, and stop letting men control them and drive them to derangement, absolutely - but let’s not pretend that the fault here is unilateral.

If my partners treated me with the condescension, entitlement, emotional manipulation, and utter bullshit that many straight men treat their female partners, I’d probably go insane and start swallowing hormones, too.

[quote]I’m a lesbian

Of course you are. These threads are filled with them. We -- gay men -- do not care about trans women.

[quote][R351]/[R355] and of course, straight men behaving in some horrifying entitled pornsick ways and becoming increasingly sociopathic as a group has nothing to do with those crazy straight bitches? And I’m a lesbian frequently chagrined and embarrassed by the nonsens of hetero ladies, saying this. These women do need to wake up, act fast, and stop letting men control them and drive them to derangement, absolutely - but let’s not pretend that the fault here is unilateral. If my partners treated me with the condescension, entitlement, emotional manipulation, and utter bullshit that many straight men treat their female partners, I’d probably go insane and start swallowing hormones, too.

Bla-bla-bla

Straight women want bad boys.

There are plenty of meek, nebbish, deferential men out there -- and straight women hate them.

[quote]pornsick

There is no such thing.

You are not a gay man.

Please leave us in peace.

I'm not sue why I watched that video R328, but that person sounds... insane. Trans or not. She views herself as an "android." The fuck?

[quote]It's just an extension of how society treats women who wear pants ("brave! independent! down to earth!") versus men who wear dresses ("deviant! mentally ill! attention seeking!") etc...

You realize this difference is due to misogyny, just like homophobia against feminine gay men is based in misogyny, right?

Wonder what the reaction of the celebrity community would have been if Elliot Page declared "himself" black? Never once had a trans activist even try to explain why you can declare your sex but not your race, especially considering sex is much more concrete and deeply biological than race.

I feel bad for her<>him. Trying to still be relevant after Juno and inception when his/her career is long dead. She wanted attention but given the public's attention span and her use of hard drugs-it would be easier to list the people in Hollywood who are NOT into drugs than those who use them-this will backfire.

I have noticed how people who are Trans and who are using them/they are narcissistic and make the most narcissistic drag queens look like amateurs.

I know a bisexual artist, Nayland Blake, and a lesbian poet-Eileen Myles that now use them/they and unfortunately these people are narcissistic and only care about themselves.

[quote] Wonder what the reaction of the celebrity community would have been if Elliot Page declared "himself" black?

I wish she would because the last thing we need is another heterosexual white man.

[quote]Never once had a trans activist even try to explain why you can declare your sex but not your race, especially considering sex is much more concrete and deeply biological than race.

There is no reason to accept one and reject the other. but we are dealing with a group of people who have actively declared war on reason, facts, and logic.

Also the transkid/teen conversion is a problem as effeminate/femme and androgynous bisexual and gays and tomboy/butch/androgynous girls who eventually come out as bisexual or lesbian are being told or pressured/manipulated into the idea that they are trans and MUST take hormones, get permanent/irreversible surgery, etc.

Google detrans, sex change regret, etc.

This is basically the same as the whole ex-gay conversion therapy but besides being psychologically damaging as conversion therapy BS is, it is physically damaging.

I know bisexual and gay men who are effeminate/femme/androgynous and sometimes they are drag queens-they do it for fun not professionally or for "fame"-if they were children, teens, or young adults today would be told that they are transgender/transsexual and must transition take hormones, etc.

A bisexual friend of mine who is married to a woman and who has a pre-teen daughter, who says she is trans but my friend said, "I will always love her/him or whoever she or he is but personally I think she will eventually come out as lesbian or bisexual as she's more of a tomboy or not super girly/femme..."

I do not hate trans people but I think that only people who are legal adults who make the personal choice to take hormones, have surgery, and transition should be allowed to. The very first transgender person I met was a bisexual transwoman and she openly said how after transitioning your life does not magically get better and does not solve all of your problems, that being misgendered or being called the opposite sex will happen, and she would talk about her life before transitioning even using her former name and then after transitioning using her new female name. No I did not have sex with her but she was a trip, and fun to talk to at the bar I used to go to.

She was not jealous of younger transgender people but said how she had spent decades in therapy and living as the sex/gender she was born before ever transitioning or taking any hormones or having any surgery and said how younger trans people or people who are labeled as trans are not doing this. She said how the full surgery she got in Thailand where they have done it for decades was incredible but she knew it was going to be permanent and has no regrets.

Barbie: The TERF Slayer

A great gift for the holidays.

[quote]...and a lesbian poet-Eileen Myles that now use them/they and unfortunately these people are narcissistic and only care about themselves.

I used to know Eileen a bit. She's your classic East Village lesbian, now she's all they/them? How dreary. I will say she is one of the most DEEPLY self-fascinated people I've ever met. I'd bet the farm she's quite narcissistic, but I was only in her outer circle for a bit. A definite handful, though.

Why is everyone so upset and hateful? Just let the people be happy and be who they wanna be, as long as they are not hurting anyone. You all sound like some homophobic man that is upset that there are gay people out there in the world

Who cares ?

[quote] You realize this difference is due to misogyny, just like homophobia against feminine gay men is based in misogyny, right?

No, homophobia is not based in someone else’s problem.

Saying homophobia is based in ‘misogyny’ is homophobic.

Women are free to do whatever they want. They can wear whatever and it’s okay.

Gay men are the people who are hated for being themselves.

And you just reversed that truth 100% because you hate gay men and want to whine about ‘misogyny’.

Of course R361 is a lesbian.

My oppression is not ‘misogyny’.

It is homophobia.

This threads gonna get closed again.. uhgg!

I can see him playing Robin if they squeeze out another Batman movie...

Ellen’s new identity is readily embraced, far more so than Caitlyn’s.

Female privilege knows no end.

R4 Holy Shit its here! I wonder if it really feels good to have a dead strangers cock sewn between your legs... wow.. what a world

It’s always hard to believe rad fems who display such open hatred for gay men when they claim that concern about gay boys is their reason for opposition to trans.

r375 You are unhinged and delusional. Stop shitting up this thread. Go eat out your FTM boyfriends pussy or something and leave the adults to discuss why this whole ideology is underpinned by homophobia

Sonny almost left Chaz his cock in his will but decided on songwriting rights instead.

[quote] Go eat out your FTM boyfriends pussy or something and leave the adults to discuss why this whole ideology is underpinned by homophobia

I don’t eat pussy. Eww.

But tell me why you don’t want to discuss rad fem homophobia?

That’s worse for gay men than trans.

Do anyone really believe women who call gay men privileged are opposing trans for us?

r378 So you are a hypocrite. Why is it acceptable for lesbians to have an issue with transwomen being 'lesbians', but OK for you not to date transmen?

'radfems' are mostly lesbians, and so I dont think they are homophobic, more often misandrists. I agree some of them are pretty gross; like Julie Bindel. She opposes gay men adopting, which I find insulting. That doesn't change the fact they are more right than wrong to me in terms of their philosophy on gender. Id ally with gender clisticals over trans activists. And 'radfems' are only a small portion of gender criticals in my experience

[quote]Why is it acceptable for lesbians to have an issue with transwomen being 'lesbians', but OK for you not to date transmen?

Because lesbian is an identity, not a sexuality. Bindel claims she choose to be a lesbian. If that’s the case why doesn’t she chose to date trans women, since she can chose?

[quote]'radfems' are mostly lesbians,

Often... but less and less these days.

[quote]and so I dont think they are homophobic, more often misandrists.

And, as they love to say: gay men are men. Look at R148.

[quote]I agree some of them are pretty gross; like Julie Bindel. She opposes gay men adopting, which I find insulting.

All of them do!

[quote]That doesn't change the fact they are more right than wrong to me in terms of their philosophy on gender.

That’s okay. But please end you association with them on that one point.

[quote]Id ally with gender clisticals over trans activists. And 'radfems' are only a small portion of gender criticals in my experience

The issue is they oppose trans out of feminism. Not out of concern for gay men. You can oppose gay men being told they have to like vag — many rad fems support that — and not care about trans in women’s sports.

Like there’s no sick women who abuse men. Lesbians obsessed with what they perceive as the power men yield because they want it themselves.

R367, we're not "upset" and "hateful", we actually don't give a shit about this particular individual, who is not in any way a man. We are, however, concerned about the deep homophobia and misogyny that lie at the heart of trans ideology, which are amplified by this lesbian declaring that she's really a man.

Of course, there's the attention seeking that is attached to all these declarations that one is trans or non-binary. That's just annoying and I would usually ignore such idiots, but unfortunately they're part of my so-called community and people think they represent me and that I agree with them.

R367, we're not "upset" and "hateful", we actually don't give a shit about this particular individual, who is not in any way a man. We are, however, concerned about the deep homophobia and misogyny that lie at the heart of trans ideology, which are amplified by this lesbian declaring that she's really a man.

Of course, there's the attention seeking that is attached to all these declarations that one is trans or non-binary. That's just annoying and I would usually ignore such idiots, but unfortunately they're part of my so-called community and people think they represent me and that I agree with them.

Oh wait, crazy man hater lesbians are always abusing women themselves anyway.

r381 or you could just not be a cunt and realise 99% of women aren't radfems. You would have to be a literal misogynist to be happy that men (who by nature are better at physical activities like sports) can go and dominate womens sport. Like how much of a cunt are you? Genuine question. And thats not even getting into single sexed spaces that are there to protect women from sexual assault......fuck you're a muppet.

[quote] We are, however, concerned about the deep homophobia and misogyny that lie at the heart of trans ideology

I’m concerned about the homophobia only.

[quote] [R381] or you could just not be a cunt and realise 99% of women aren't radfems. You would have to be a literal misogynist to be happy that men

I don’t know any gay man who CARES about women’s sport. I object to the homophobia of women coming onto DL and telling us we must.

I don’t care. It has nothing to do with gay rights. Other people’s problems are not gay men’s.

The phrase "dead name" is so odd and really reflects the fucked up view on gender these people have. Somehow a name change completely kills off your form self prior to transition and it also works to change your gender itself.

r388 You say that, but if you had a brain, you would join the fucking dots as to what something like transwomen in female spaces then means for gay men. As I have already said, you are ignoring that transwomen is only one side of the point. The other side has big implications for gay men.

Oh, and I'm a gay man and I dont need a lesbian to tell me how to think; I have a functioning brain of my own.

Very quickly: The definition of rad fem has changed somewhat over time though.

Back in the '70s a few rad fems made the occasional good point. Someone like Germaine Greer is genuine intellectual and I don't believe she just hates men, unlike Bindel.

Rad fems of the '70s actually critiqued competitive sports and beauty pageants. Like the line is so singularly anti-trans, it's just 'trans out!'

Today's *self-described* rad fems often seem to be middle-class British women who don't want to do radical gender politics; they just hate trans like they hate gay men and sex.

[quote]You say that, but if you had a brain, you would join the fucking dots as to what something like transwomen in female spaces then means for gay men. As I have already said, you are ignoring that transwomen is only one side of the point. The other side has big implications for gay men.

What are the implications for gay men?

r392 OH MY GOD YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID.

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[quote] The phrase "dead name" is so odd and really reflects the fucked up view on gender these people have. Somehow a name change completely kills off your form self prior to transition and it also works to change your gender itself.

And it shows how fond they are of violent imagery.

Seriously, I want to know: what are the implications for gay men of MtFs in women's sports?

Is the trans troll Rachel McKinnon/Veronica Ivy?

And so the eternal unresolved battle between the two sexes rages ever on.

Must everything be about you specifically, R395? The overall issue of transgenderism very much affects gay men, as you well know, but yes, women are taking the brunt of it.

BREAKING: Elleniot declares itself twins! Wombat is their chosen pronoun.

Why is his face so greasy?

[quote] Must everything be about you specifically, [R395]?

So now we’ve gotten to the point of the thread in which you stop pretending that trans women hurt gay men, but say gay men must be opposed to them anyway.

I should known YOU'D know where to find the men's clothes AND THE PRONOUNS!

Has anyone else noticed a trend for trans activists and their allies posting stuff such as "support trans rights or I die" and "protect trans people or I will hurt you" on social media, accompanied by a picture of a toy or a cartoon character holding a weapon? I never see this in relation to other minority groups - no "support gay rights or die" or "protect disabled people or I will hurt you". It's as though they want to threaten people, but also want to be able to say, "Don't be stupid, it was obviously a joke! Do you really think Pikachu is going to shoot you?"

[quote] I never see this in relation to other minority groups - no "support gay rights or die"

That's a sham -- cos that's a great slogan.

Homophobes should be killed. Painfully.

R404, feminism IS exclusionary, that's the whole point. It's for biological women and no one else.

shame

Unlike gay rights, which -- like R398 says -- must be for everyone, not just for gay men.

Elliot looks good.

Seriously, I want to know: what are the implications for gay men of MtFs in women's sports?

Jazz Jennings, in addition to Caitlyn and others, declare support to Elliot.

[quote]Homophobes should be killed. Painfully.

Of course rad fems disagree with that.

Because they support homophobia.

For the now-vacant position of ‘favorite adorable hipstery famous Canadian actress’, I nominate Alison Pill.

She played in MILK, lest we forget.

Tell 'em, Chaz.

TERFs banned from Reddit.

Them & The Donald

All FtMs seem permanently trapped in teendom.

This is why women need a man.

[quote]Seriously, I want to know: what are the implications for gay men of MtFs in women's sports?

Seriously, I want to know: what are the implications for gay men of Nazis looting Jew's businesses?

Have you guys noticed that the men who dates/fuck FtMs are usually ugly? And the men who dates/fuck MtFs are more attractive?

Someone posted in the other thread that more "gay" men are getting interested in Ftms trannies, I want a good evidence for this, because according with researches, gay men are the most exclusionary category losing only for str8 people.

Or it's was just a tranny projecting.

Caitlyn is fine emotionally.

Use this spell to hex TERFs.

R418 but then how will I know the Color Of The Day, every day? Or discuss the latest Weird News?

This is an outrage, and decidedly NOT PFG.

R425 Ever mind the Rule of Three! Three times your acts return to thee. This lesson well, thou must learn - thou only gets what thee dost earn.....you dumb bitch. It's Amateur Hour around here, lately.

My (formerly) heterosexual sister, who is a mother and married to a man, has come out as FTM or Non_binary (still not totally sure). This is the bitch who told everyone I am a faggot (her word) in the 80s. Yeah, and now I am supposed to celebrate her queerness. Not a fucking thing has changed, Cortney.

Yep... lots of queer women hate gay men just as much as normal women.

Gay rights IS exclusionary, that's the whole point. It's for gay men and no one else.

[quote] a trend for trans activists and their allies posting stuff such as "support trans rights or I die"

I meant to type "support trans rights or die" - don't know why I added an "I" in there. They're threatening to harm others, not themselves.

[quote] Seriously, I want to know: what are the implications for gay men of Nazis looting Jew's businesses?

They’ll probably get to gay men and trans women next.

While rad fems will support the Nazis, just like they do on Twitter.

None of the rad fems here agree with R430.

They demand gay rights be for women as much as for gay men.

[quote] Seriously, I want to know: what are the implications for gay men of MtFs in women's sports?

Rad fems know there are none, but continue to insist gay men do labour for women who hate us.

You dykes will never answer that question. Because you can’t.

Everyone, just get to sucking withered, grotesquely mangled, pale grayish hued girl-diques without complaint. Anything less is both violent and transphobic, and just not cool, okay?

It's sad that gay men feel the need to pile on and attack lesbians here. Lesbians are literally the smallest minority group in existence number-wise but they are a good part of the gay community. I'll never understand the psychological issues that lead to people like R432/R434. It's the definition of feeling so small that you'll stand on an even more vulnerable person's neck to stand just a little higher. It's sick and I feel sorry for you.

It's sad that lesbians feel the need to pile on and attack trans women here.

Meanwhile the dykes have been busy defending this...

R437, it's called self-defense.

LOL! So it’s only bad when lesbians are criticized, but lesbians should be free to criticize everyone else?

God, lesbian narcissism knows no bounds.

Not a single lesbian on DL ever thinks for a second before posting hateful stuff about gay men.

R441, just post 'waaaaaahhhhh' next time. Accomplishes the same thing.

You just post your usual ‘that’s not funny, you muhsoggynist! You have mommy issues!’

England is loosening some restrictions on gay men donating blood. British rad fems on Twitter feel about you’d expect about it.

FTM's are only attractive to bisexual men and straight men, and even then it's usually only to the crowd that likes to get pegged ie; the mentally ill gay-adjacent weirdos.

Why do people think that rad fems care about FTM? Maybe the dykes do since they're losing a lesbian, but the straight rad fems don't care about FTM. They only care about the MTF, because the FTM don't affect them.

[quote] Why do people think that rad fems care about FTM? Maybe the dykes do since they're losing a lesbian, but the straight rad fems don't care about FTM. They only care about the MTF, because the FTM don't affect them.

Yes. Correct.

I LOL'd

"Essentialising! Deadnaming!!! LGB Propaganda!!!!"

Riley Grace/RGR has the audacity to call Arielle Scarcella a MAGAT ("simping for Trump"), a troll, a Nazi, a grifter, and a bigot, because she is asking legit questions in reference to the Page case about the dwindling lesbian population and infringment on womens' rights. Riley cites 'academic literature' and 'peer-reviewed studies' (Pharma sponsored psychiatric reviews, written by doctors with a vested interest in medicalisation) as better evidence for Trans superiority than real-world documentary evidence that went to Court.

Fucksake. No power in the 'verse can make the slimy rhetoric of these brainwashed little T creeps make sense.

R446, There was a hetero FTM who detransitioned (spent a few years larping as a gay man/lesbian and everything in between,) who basically said it was radical feminism and "LGBT" who turned her into a man hater Lol The thing that really got me was most of the replies were from radfems congratulating her saying things like "welcome home sister" and bs like that 🤦.... only a few lesbians called her out on her homophobia but they went soft on her. Smh.

Lesbians are usually virulent homophobes.

There are countless instances of them defending homophobia on this site alone.

R436 lesbians, coming to the sad realisation that there may be no saving the hundred years of friendship and allyship with gay men who now want to scapegoat and throw them away, all because a cohort of rabid mentalist jealous Ts tricked them into giving away their own power and ground:

First she lied saying she wasn't gay.

Then she lied saying she was female because now he says he's male.

If he has sex with women now he is heterosexual which means he lied when he was she and came out as lesbian.

Why should we believe anything that comes out of its liar mouth?

The part I don't get is that she's a Canadian woman, from an affluent background, in a Creative profession, who has been Out as gay before.

You can sort of understand the lunacy of buying into T when it's confused closeted or curious kids still fucked up about their sexuality because they are a hormonal mess mired in a small possibly-homophobic or impoverished town with people who aren't liberals/artists/Western/whatever - there are obvious pressures there to avoid the stigma of being labelled as gay.

This is an adult women of means who was raised in the most accepting environment on the planet, and has already handily survived a relatively pleasant coming-out. There is no reason to do what she did as a way to avoid bigotry. Payola is the only explanation that works.

R449 The dissonance between that Riley person’s feminized anime avatar (how he sees himself) and his real life Garth appearance (how he actually is) says it all.

Why are unappealing lesbians, rejected by more pleasant lesbians, rage against MtF transgenders? None of these transgenders want to touch them or even see them. Society and government are not going to bestow these disturbed and hate-filled loudmouths new entitlements.

Some Former TERFs and SWERFs are fleeing the cult.

De-program.

The fact that the transtapo resort to calling us "lesbians" and "radfems" when we are mostly gay men says it all.

[quote] The fact that the transtapo resort to calling us "lesbians" and "radfems" when we are mostly gay men says it all.

No, you’re not. That’s why I always try to identity fish on these threads.

R458. Beginning a sentence with "the fact" is indicative of a falsehood is about to be conveyed.

Okay. Let’s identity every future post on this thread to see if it’s by a dyke 🦍 or a gay man 👱‍♂️

GLAAD is here to save the day!

And GLAAD is here to instruct you on all the terminology you are now required to use on all occasions, everywhere.

We have always been trans. Oceana is anti-trans. We have always been at war with Oceana.

I still don't understand the he/they as pronouns? Does she become plural in the objective?

[quote] And GLAAD is here to instruct you on all the terminology you are now required to use on all occasions, everywhere.

He is Titania's terminology.

R457, if you think terfs and swerfs are part of an "international network of powerful lesbians” you're an idiot, a dangerous idiot.

r465 there is an unhinged poster here who makes up a third of all posts on this thread. He seems to be a gay man bitter at lesbians and women, but cant seem to make the connection that even if transwomen has no affect on is life, the trans ideology does on homosexual men. Dumb fuck. Clearly there are radfems lesbians posting on this thread - he is right, but most aren't. And for him to think only 'man-hating lesbians' have an issue with the insidious nature of trans shit, then holy fuck.

Im a 28 year old gay man, involved in the community, and I have a fucking issue with how trans has and will fuck us over.

R465 is a woman.

[quote]but cant seem to make the connection that even if transwomen has no affect on is life, the trans ideology does on homosexual men.

Not exactly...

All the critiques about why trans are bad on these threads always come down to how the affect women. I don't care about women. If you want to make a critique about how it hurts gay men, go for it! But I don't care about women's sports.

You'll note dykes don't actually care too much about FtMs demanding sex from gay men.

[quote]And for him to think only 'man-hating lesbians' have an issue with the insidious nature of trans shit

There are also women-worshipping gay men (a British thing here mostly) and generally conservative gay men. Like I said, it's not that there is critique -- which I support -- it's the nature of the critique.

It's really a weird alliance between the gay men who post links to Titania McGrath pieces and the genuine man-hating dykes like Julie Bindel.

It's okay, R466. We've called his mother. She's coming with a net.

R471 is a woman.

Hit up ignore and see what she's been saying on this thread.

It's so fun to identify lesbians on DL. And not too much harder than IRL when one just has to look out for a putrid-smelling, 300lber with a man face and huge chip on her shoulder.

From R471:

[quote]Gay male couples earn more than straight couples and more than lesbian couples. The stats on this go back some years now. And the income gap is a statistically significant one.

[quote]I do think that you do not lose male privilege just because you are a gay male. If you don't understand that then you don't understand how privilege and unconscious bias works. I'm not saying being a gay male does not weaken the privilege in some instances but it doesn't erase it. Gay and straight men have more in common in this area than they do with gay women. ALL women - gay or straight - share the consequences this negative aspect of society. That's why SEX based rights and protections are vital to reaching an equitable society.

[quote]Well that's not true. If there is any "truthiness" to it then it is because FtMs cause little harm to anyone and no one really takes them seriously as the opposite sex. MtFs, on the other hand, never disregard their male privilege and need to control everyone and everything. The incidence of MtF aggression, misogyny and actual violence is abnormally high.

Dykesplain (to the theme of MMMBop by Hanson)

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TERFs, SWERFs, and DERFs.

They don't sound like nice folks. Hate Trans, hate sex workers, hate dick. Trying to make other people to hate what they hate is propaganda for undeserved entitlements.

Time would be better spent talking to Jesus and asking him to show you a way for salvation.

Ellie, Ellie, Ellie. Sigh.

[quote] New Research Reveals Facial Recognition Software Misclassifies Transgender, Non-Binary People

The whole article is ridiculous, but this part is the piece de resistance:

[quote] More troublingly, those who identified as agender, genderqueer or non-binary, were misclassified 100 percent of the time because these gender identities have not been built into the algorithms.

How could they possibly have built these into the algorithms? How can you tell if someone is "non-binary" or whatever by their facial structure?

[quote] New Research Reveals Facial Recognition Software Misclassifies Transgender, Non-Binary People

The whole article is ridiculous, but this part is the piece de resistance:

[quote] More troublingly, those who identified as agender, genderqueer or non-binary, were misclassified 100 percent of the time because these gender identities have not been built into the algorithms.

How could they possibly have built these into the algorithms? How can you tell if someone is "non-binary" or whatever by their facial structure?

I bet cislesbians are identified as men at a higher rate than straight women.

The algorithms are based on angles, length of features, etc. So, now, instead of just denying biology, they are also denying geometry.

They are fucking insane.

[quote] quagmire of transhood

Leave my father out of this!

Geometry is hate speech, R483

Just for this, I will support and applaud any white celebrity who comes out of the closet as transblack. If trans “women“ are women, then transblacks are black and it is transphobia and cisracism to argue otherwise.

The computer sees Cindy Crawford and says, 'Caitlyn, you in danger, gurl'.

[quote]Geometry is hate speech, [R483]

When it reveals lesbians are ugly, yes.

[quote] Geometry is hate speech, [R483]

And algebra is terrorism.

Interesting that the article mentions how often everyone EXCEPT for trans "women" were misgendered. I strongly suspect that the app frequently identified them as male, and the author doesn't want to admit that.

Lieutenant Commander Dan Quagmire, a former officer with the United States Navy who later becomes Ida Quagmire.

Trans women are less feminine looking that because they have higher T levels.

Cisdykes are less feminine looking because they have higher T levels.

TransBlacks are Black. Nkeche Diallo is a strong, proud, wise Black woman.

TransBlacks are Black. Nkeche Diallo is a strong, proud, wise Black woman.

R480, that article is INSANE. It seems to be saying that the AI did not distinguish trans men from women very well, for example, and BLAMED THE SOFTWARE.

The only real solution would be for Non binary people and trans women to write NB and TW in huge letters with marker pen on their foreheads so the software can pick that up.

Can you imagine the outrage to that suggestion!

I wish there were some way we could beam Magdalen Berns's videos onto every television, every phone, every laptop anywhere in the world. I've been re-watching her videos for the first time in ages and she made her points so well. Obviously not everyone would agree with her, but frankly, all the sensible people would. And unfortunately, a lot of otherwise sensible people are currently passively enabling this nonsense, because they think trans "women" are just castrated gay men, and they can't see the harm in allowing them into women's spaces. But if the general public learned about autogynephilia...

Caitlyn Jenner and Laverne Cox are fabulous role models with such compelling stories.

They don't want to go in their women's restrooms and have obsessed bigots learing at them while doing their business.

Magdalen Berns was a homophobe.

R499 is an idiot.

We remember her twitter. We know she loved to refer to PenisNews and often attempted to associate gay men with MtFs when making her (only) point about “men’s sexual rights movement”.

Uh, yeah, you dumb dyke. The gay rights movement was about men’s sexual rights. That’s a good thing.

[quote] they think trans "women" are just castrated gay men, and they can't see the harm in allowing them into women's spaces

My concern lies with the castrated gay men.

Yours with women.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote] She seems really happy as a man.

'Seems' means 'to give the impression of being something or having a particular quality'.

Meanwhile, the person in the left of this picture has attempted to extinguish their own life five times already. They tried to exterminate themselves.

[quote]@transanta

WTF? So done with these morons.

That picture at R504 looks exactly the same as all her other pictures from her entire career. Hilarious. Does she really think that sucking in her cheeks and holding her head so her chin is projected forward is the "official man pose"? And, those are women's style glasses, hon. I don't even think she's bothered to cut her hair. She's always wears a hat. I can't wait for the interview in ten years about how disillusioned she was when she fell for the transtapo crap and it didn't fix her world.

R501 oh do fuck off. Im a gay man and I call it PENISnews. It is one of the most revolting rags out there that has anti gay screed after screed posted on it. If you are so concerned about women shitting on gay men, what the fuck aren't you mad at Vic Parsons ( a chick) constantly having a go at 'cis' gay men on PENISnews? Huh?

Bugger off.

If it's a terrible sin for a non-trans actor to play a trans-role then why is it ok for Ellen/Elliot to play a lesbian role?

Oh right, anything is ok if you're trans.

I'll bet this butch stud can't wait to high five the other bros at the urinal!

[quote] If you are so concerned about women shitting on gay men, what the fuck aren't you mad at Vic Parsons ( a chick) constantly having a go at 'cis' gay men on PENISnews? Huh?

I am. It’s another example of women invading gay men’s spaces. I support violence against FtMs.

[quote]Bugger off.

Using this term is internalized homophobia. Which is weirdly rampant in Britain.

[quote] Im a gay man and I call it PENISnews

That’s so weird.

Why do gay men in Britain prefer gash to penis?

Caitlyn with her girls.

Hollywood heterodegenerate perverts and their Uncle Tom enablers are literally celebrating ex-gay therapy. As far as I’m concerned, the Hollywood blacklist needs a reboot to read Hollywood of all non-gay sexuality.

Not only was Aunt Ida right when she said “the world of heterosexual is a sick and boring life,“ if anything, she didn’t go far enough.

Is Elliot hung?

[quote]New Research Reveals Facial Recognition Software Misclassifies Transgender, Non-Binary People

New Research Reveals Facial Recognition Software Classifies Transgender, Non-Binary People As Their Actual Gender Because Facial Recognition Software Ain't Playing No Tranny Games.

What are "non-binary people" supposed to look like anyway?

Caitlyn is not out of control.

Is Elliot Page circumsized?

[quote]What are "non-binary people" supposed to look like anyway?

Unfuckable.

So, all you need to do is put a trucker hat on and wear an even bigger hoodie and you get to transform yourself from a lesbian into a straight man? Awesome. Does it come with a raise and a newfound urge to mansplain things? Do you have to start spitting more and grabbing your crotch at random intervals? Do you have to start making obnoxious comments to any good looking woman that walks by or is that just a choice? Is there some sort of funnel or straw attachment in order to be able to pee standing up? How does one go about learning to keep one's face from showing all emotion except rage? So many questions.

And blue hair r521.

R400 It's all the testosterone.

I wonder how many trannys will go after Elliot now that it is a Man. No real Man or women would touch that thing.

They're starting to eat their own so it's possible

Elliot's wife is divorcing him. Apparently she is a lesbian and thought she was marrying a woman.

I honestly don't understand anyone would think the marriage had a chance. Emma didn't sign up for some skinny boy.

[quote]Do you have to start spitting more and grabbing your crotch at random intervals? Do you have to start making obnoxious comments to any good looking woman that walks by or is that just a choice? Is there some sort of funnel or straw attachment in order to be able to pee standing up? How does one go about learning to keep one's face from showing all emotion except rage?

Dykes already do all those things.

You should know.

Ellen Page is guilty of manfacing!

A dyke's a dyke a dyke

I agree. This is a misandrist minstrel show. Cancel HER for her sexism against men!

Sure would love to know WHY it bothers ppl so much. WTF do any of you ppl care if someone is trans?

Ellen/Elliot is the one who made a big fuss about being trans, r532. Good question: why should we give a shit about this person?

This. Is. A. Woman.

This. Is. A. Lesbian.

Heterosexual white men are responsible for the overwhelming majority of crimes against humanity.

If Ellen Page wishes to become one, then the blood of the victims of heterosexual white male war crimes is now on her hands as well.

So will Elliot now use the men's washroom.

Because if I see her in a men's washroom, I will demand to speak to the manager!!

Just for this, I am now a Black man named Mgwana Kikbuti. And if you think I'm homophobic for following the word of [bold]DE LAWD![/bold] then you, my friend, are a racist.

I thought of E Page when I read an article earlier about an Irish doctor working in the US on gender reassignment or gender affirmation surgery.

[quote]As an academic surgeon working in a university, I get to innovate and come up with new techniques such as “Masculoplasty”. This is a procedure that masculinises the chest for female to male patients, with less morbidity than a traditional mastectomy.

For female who wants to look like a male there are two options.

Drain free Double Incision top Surgery with free nipple graft or Masculoplasty® or Key-hole top surgery

If you go for keyhole top surgery and have large lady like nipples then you'll have to pay for another surgery to have your lady nipples turned into man nipples, but if you go for the Masculoplasty® then the nipple graft is part of it and you don't have to pay any extra. With the Masculoplasty® 80% of patients get some feeling back in their nipples but the sensation may be reduced.

When I read about all these possibilities I can't help think of TLC's Unpretty. You can buy your hair if it won't grow, you can fix your nose if he says so, you can buy all the make-up that M.A.C. can make, but if you can't look inside you find out who am I to be in the position that make me feel so damn unpretty

Ewww what is she doing? I bet this means death to her career.