Meghan Markle tells of miscarriage ‘pain and grief’

The Losses We Share

Perhaps the path to healing begins with three simple words: Are you OK?

I'm sorry for their loss, but this editorial almost reads like a parody.

I don't believe her.

If it had happened she'd have played it out on live TV with a hospital helicopter airlift and would have gone into Queen Victoria style mourning.

Why do women try to get pregnant again as fast as they can after giving birth? I've seen this over and over. Is it addictive?

Jesus, she is thirsty.

Princess Diana had a miscarriage in-between William and Harry. It happens, even to very young women like Diana was. That's why most women don't announce pregnancies until they are well into their second trimester. I'm not sure why current celebrities like Chrissy Teigen and Meghan Markle feel this private grief needs to be shared with the whole world, complete with sad Instagram stories and NYT editorials.

Is everything grist for her mill?

“ I knew, as I clutched my firstborn child, that I was losing my second, and that neither would ever be king”.

Fixed it for you!

Meghan's thumbnail bio at the top of the editorial identifies her as 'mother, feminist, and advocate.'

This is why people who think she'll someday divorce Harry and let him take Archie back to the UK are deluding themselves. Meghan will ride this mother thing for the rest of her life, like the fact that she was able to have a baby makes her the most woke and important woman in the world. And we will never hear the end of this miscarriage, even if she and Harry go on to have a dozen more kids.

But this does nicely set up the surrogate narrative, doesn't it? If she and Harry use one now, nobody can say boo to them.

Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is thirstiest of them all? Markle or Chrissy Teigen?

So I guess the loss of privacy is okay because she thinks by talking about it other women will feel better? I don't believe that. Women know that women have miscarriages. If this happened in the first 3 months, it's fairly routine. If later, wanting to share it with the whole world in this way reeks of sympathy porn. For all her female empowerment crap, she does love to portray herself as a victim, doesn't she?

I've known several women who have had miscarriages. It devastated all of them, and they did talk about it to family and close friends. This is not an issue like eating disorders or something that needs to be brought to the public's attention as a serious issue--everybody already knows that miscarriages are serious.

But I guess Meghan isn't bulimic like Diana was, so she's working with what she's got.

Looks like her dusty old 39-year-old uterus is on the fritz.

Harry bet on the wrong horse.

Well, when you're almost 40...

I guess the news of Jack and I moving into Frogmore Cottage with our soon-to-be baby caused her a lot of ‘pain and grief.’

r11 Sympathy porn -- exactly. She's read the room.

And this: "I dropped to the floor with him in my arms, humming a lullaby to keep us both calm ..." LMFAO

[quote]In the pain of our loss, my husband and I discovered that in a room of 100 women, 10 to 20 of them will have suffered from miscarriage. Yet despite the staggering commonality of this pain, the conversation remains taboo, riddled with (unwarranted) shame, and perpetuating a cycle of solitary mourning. Some have bravely shared their stories; they have opened the door, knowing that when one person speaks truth, it gives license for all of us to do the same.

It's not taboo to talk about a miscarriage. But most women prefer to keep it private rather than splash it all over Instagram or The New York Times editorial page.

What is the obsession with her around here?

What's Meghan's obsession with herself? She's the one talking about her dead baby on the front page of the Times.

BRAV-O, Meghan. The BRF will never dare to pull those titles now.

Is everything grist for her mill?

I was thinking it was a way of saying that her mill is non operational at this point; who knows if it's true, but to deflect any criticism as to why they didn't have more children when Harry clearly wanted them, she can pull out the I'VE HAD A MISCARRIAGE sympathy line

I can understand the narcissistic grifter's need for incessant attention. What I don't understand is the NYT's need to provide the spotlight.

Didn't Harry say a second child would be unethical because of the climate change???

The crap she writes is such puke.

R23...No idiot/god, that was William and he went on to have three children. He's an ass and a hypocrite.

R16 and R20. Right On!!

Oh brother. Someone has been feeling overlooked since corona came along, huh?

I don’t believe her. She’s phonier than a $3 bill.

Just because I'm not surprised doesn't mean I'm not disappointed. Ignore who the author is and you have a well-written essay that's both heartbreaking and hopeful. It also made me think about our collective loss of community and shared acknowledgement of fact versus fiction. Yes, there were a few tidbits that made my bullshit detector ping (her picking up after Archie, her asking a taxi driver if they should help a crying woman on the street). However, one point she made really resonates with me: We all know the pain of suffering in silence...yet too often we shy away from asking others if they're okay. And on the subject of miscarriages, this article made me rethink my assumption they aren't a big deal because a fetus isn't an actual baby.

That said, the bitchy side of me does have a few thoughts:

- During the Sussexes disastrous publicity stunt on Rememberance Day, quite a few people noted she looked pregnant. Not fat or puffy...pregnant. I wonder if this article is a preemptive strike, in case she managed to get pregnant again and wants to reduce press scrutiny (by playing to peoples' emotions).

- She's not old, but a woman's fertility is greatly diminished in her late 30s. Carrying another baby to full term is going to remain an uncertainty for the rest of her life.

- I wonder if the resurgance of Diana-mania inspired her to figure out was to capture some of her deceased MIL's magic. She won't...ever...but I can't fault her for trying.

- Meghan and Harry are in America and they quit their jobs as senior royals, abandoning the responsibilities that accompanied that role. If they truly wanted to make a fresh start, they would've dropped their royal titles. Harry has a last name they can use: Windsor-Mountbatten. The fact they keep those useless titles speaks volumes.

R24 "She" doesn't write anything. That's what very well-paid PR minions are for.

What I don't understand is the NYT's need to provide the spotlight.

Maybe even the NYT is exhausted by stories about deplorables that support Dump against their own interests & need a new schtick

"What is the obsession with her around here?"

A lot of elderghey Anglophile/Royal-obsessives feel she isn't the... right sort of person to marry a Prince.

There's nothing more pathetic than willful ignorance.

The New York Times will never ever ever ever turn down an opinion piece written by a prominent figure. Even if she's polarizing, it's no wonder why the essay was published.

[quote]A lot of elderghey Anglophile/Royal-obsessives feel she isn't the... right sort of person to marry a Prince.

A lot of people with a functioning brain cell prefer to reject blatant scammers rather than pander to them.

[quote]The New York Times will never ever ever ever turn down an opinion piece written by a prominent figure.

Yes they will. Especially a "prominent figure" whose politics/agenda they don't support.

It's a pretty standard human interest piece written by a notable person. There's no reason to pretend like there was no reason to publish this, any outlet of note would have.

Comparisons to Chrissy Teigen are a bit off, as well. Compared to Chrissy, Meghan is a model of decorum and restraint.

She's such a shameless copycat (typical Leo). Chrissy Teigen overshares about her miscarriage. Now this bitch has to do it too. Remember those bananas she scribbled on, that she copied from someone else doing it before her? Shameless.

Can't you slobbering cunts just start ONE fucking thread on Markle and discuss your racist trolling obsession in it?

F&F.

As DLers last month rightfully predicted she gonna pull her own "Chrissy Teigen" . I just didn't expect she going to do it THIS quick.

"racist", blah blah blah ...

R37, here's an F&F.

For you, you fucking imbecile.

TMI from everyone. This couple, their fangirls, and their detractors. You shall all STFU now.

Didn't want to know, don't care.

She describes a normal morning feeding her dogs, taking her vitamins and changing son Archie's diaper, before feeling a sharp cramp. "I dropped to the floor," Markle, 39, wrote. Adding, she had a "sense that something was not right. I knew, as I clutched my firstborn child, that I was losing my second

Why would you clutch your newborn while changing his diaper? Wouldn't you place him on a changing board?

She has to have another baby as little Merchie hasn't turned out merchable. To be precise, for her merching aspirations she needs a little Diana, nobody will give a fuck about another boy.

However, another baby will be useful, merchable or not, simply because another tiny tot will get her more money in the divorce.

She should have sold the story to the Sun or the Mirror. they'd have paid at least 2 million for a photo of her and said fetus in a staged photo.

ME. ME. ME. Now more about ME!

She’s really sticking with “Are you OK?” as her catchphrase.

I share her pain. I've never been able to carry a butt baby to term.

Isn't the first child defective of appearance?

So inspiring. I too am "committing" to asking 'are you okay' this Thanksgiving.

Imagine the horror that Sparkles is enduring. If Harkles have to use a surrogate for her second bag it will not have a royal designation.

Laura Benanti already did this.

Chrissy Teigen already did it too. You’re too slow Markle.

For the poster asking why we can't stick to one thread about the Harkles: sweetheart, some of us, including yours truly, have tried endlessly, begging and pleading for posters not to start new threads on the topic because originals exist . . . to no avail. Really, we tried.

For the poster asking why we're still discussing this unimportant cow - given that she's just published a large column in the New York TIMES, she mustn't be quite as non-newsworthy as you suggest.

Re the opinion piece: it's Meghan at her truest. It reveals, albeit unconsciously, all the traits that so many of us find so distasteful. The over-dramatisation (I clutched my midsection, I fell to the floor with my firstborn in my arms - singing a lullaby to calm us both, clutching my husband's hands and feeling his clammy tears . . . I mean, really?! REALLY??!!!), the ruthless self-aggrandisement in any and every situation - even one as deeply personal as this, the tone-deafness. I cannot believe that she doubled down on the "Are you OK?" meme which she launched in fucking Botswana, one of the poorest countries in the world - does she really think this piece is going to turn that around?! I can see the cartoons now: people on the Tube and in restaurants and passing each other on the street asking, "Are you OK?" "Are YOU okay?" "ARE you OK?"

And, of course, the lies.

Actually, women do talk about miscarriages. It really isn't "taboo". Women before her have done it, including in the TIMES - which ran a series on one woman's desperate infertility treatments some years ago. So that's an outright lie to big herself up, and in fact she's behind Chrissy Teigen and Harry's cousin, Zara Phillips Tindall.

The BRF apparently was very supportive of her and Harry during this period, but the couple nevertheless saw fit to throw more shade at the family by dragging them into Meghan's lawsuit lately and that shameful appearance at the L.A. cemetery a few weeks ago on Remembrance Day which they blamed on that rotten BRF's refusal to lay a wreath at the Cenotaph in Harry's name, as if he was somehow entitled to a ghostly appearance even after saying Fuck You to his family, the Royal Marines, and his country.

And, do please note that Meghan has inched up further on the political road in this piece, as well.

No, children, Harry and Meghan aren't coming home.

A miscarriage of a dearly desired baby is a sad and unhappy thing. Leave it to Meghan Markle, in her unerring instinct for self-regarding pomposity, to turn it into a Thing For Me.

And, now we know why the Court granted the delay till next autumn and why ANL didn't object: she's probably in the early stages of pregnancy again, and after the summer miscarriage, travelling 6,000 miles for a trial would be to risk, at nearly 40, another miscarriage.

I hate to say "I told you so, " but I told you so.

Oh, can I also lodge an objection to labelling Meghan a feminist and advocate when she married a man so she could become famous enough to get herself into the Opinion pages of the New York TIMES?!

Yes, she's a real activist for equality, feminism, and kindness. She married up for fame, status, and wealth; she drags his family whenever she gets a chance and fed mud to writers and columnists to sling particularly at her sister- and brother-in-law; and she'll move heaven and earth to hold on to that medieval title that makes her Higher Than You till the day she dies.

God, the hypocrisy.

[quote] Ignore who the author is and you have a well-written essay that's both heartbreaking and hopeful.

I disagree. It is adequately written, but the personal stuff (the high drama moment of miscarriage, the toxic scene) is overdone and obviously.

And the OK is a cynical use of an own goal, trying to turn it around. The trouble for her is she's too far down the road, with too many own goals.

As a PR hack I can assure this piece reads like it's been written by committee and dominated by a client who wants what the client wants, advice be damned.

A great deal could have been accomplished by acknowledging the miscarriage and loss with restraint - less actually is more - and making a decision in favour of impact by [italic]not[/italic] turning it into overwriting.

It's just more of the same. The little wolf who cried not many people have asked if I'm OK.

She's not pregnant now, didn't have a miscarriage not has she ever given birth.

Sorry, taxi scene, not toxic scene.

Though maybe that fits too.

She's really just a better proportioned Kardashian.

With much less money.

Three scenarios: 1.She was never with child. 2. She’s telling the truth 3. She ended the pregnancy herself. In any case, as someone upthread pointed out, it will be more difficult to strip their titles now.

She ain't no Joan Didion.

I've noticed this very recent trend in famous women publicly announcing their miscarriages and abortion stories and talking about the pain and grief of them in a public way. Why? Miscarriages used to be a private matter, why are they now a news topic?

No, it won't. The polling shows them far down the list of popular figures within the family. Bear in mind they wouldn't let him lay his wreath, no doubt with full knowledge of this matter and with the complete expectation she'd be playing the card in due course.

This is not a giant force for shifting public opinion. She lost a baby. Sad but not unusual.

Was the lost baby a Butterfly Effect baby?

Self aborting?

What a fucking, useless, selfish, phony cunt. That language she used is as mawkish, self-absorbed and clueless as everything this creature and her head-bobbing moron of a husband have crapped at their "public."

Idiots.

She's trying so hard to be Diana but failing so astronomically. Unlike Diana, she hasn't mastered the art of attention whoring while looking effortless. Diana never seemed like she was trying too hard. Everything, literally everything Meg does comes off as trying too hard.

I can sympathize with a woman losing a baby but why does she write like she's the heroine in a Harlequin romance?

She should have waited until next week to run this article. People are so busy with holiday preparations that this will be completely forgotten by Friday.

What's her end game with this? Is she hoping to shame the Mail into settling her court case? Is she hoping the shame the royal family into not taking away their titles? Is she trying to keep Harry from leaving?

My sister had a miscarriage before her first kid (she now has 2) and while she was sad about it - it wasn’t the shattering devastation that these recent think pieces describe. Most women have miscarriages. And talk to their friends and family about them. Fools are acting like this is some new secret being uncovered. Enough already. Most of them already have other kids or have a viable pregnancy within the same year.

I can’t stand markle. She’s vile. I hope she doesn’t spawn any more kids.

And I’m a woman so don’t come for me fraus about how I “just don’t get it” because I’m a man. Plenty of women are also over the performative grief of miscarriages.

Oh, this is definitely going into Season 6 of The Crown!

R66 Her end game is getting attention. She doesn't need to get Harry to stay with her, he's an idiot who is easily manipulated and at the same time needlessly reckless, which is why the royal family probably wouldn't take him back even if he left Meg. The mail doesn't care about the court case and the royal family can't be swayed by tricks like this. She's doing it for the same reason she does most things: attention and a chance to open her mouth.

I am amazed that as she fell to the floor in pain, clutching baby Archie, she could still manage to sing a lullaby, she has such amazing mothering skills!

r3 - Hate to say but I also questioned it. Everything she does and inflates, conflates is for her own benefit. Always.

That piece was in desperate need of an editor. Really appalling mistakes.

Has Jessica Mulroney weighed in? Or is she still "suicidal" from ME! dropping her from SM?

r1 - This little bit of NYT **FRONT PAGE** media coverage reminds of Tiegen's (sp?) - Legend's wife - big brouhaha and public whining over her recent miscarriage. They're all the same.....grasping for any second of media hype or attention.

“ I knew, as I clutched my firstborn child, that I was losing my second, and that neither would ever be king. And Harry and I are forever stuck grifting our useless and senseless grifts."

There, fixed it for ya again.

Wills (and Charlotte) Looking out over Kensington Palace Grounds

I hope you nasties are sorry now!

Rofl r8

R55 - Don't be absurd. There's plenty of valid criticism to voice about this amazingly pompous and ridiculous creature without feeding trolls conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality, so they can prove that people who criticise Meghan are off the wall racist lunatics.

She was pregnant, Archie is her biological child, and the Court granted the delay because she submitted valid legal proof of the miscarriage and early pregnancy.

Submitting false medical claims is an easily verifiable offence and not even Meghan, let alone her legal team, would have dared to submit false medical evidence to an English court, or any other court, for that matter, and no medical professional would risk his or her licence and/or career to abet that.

So can we just drop that sht?

I was with my sister the day she was miscarrying. It was grim, sad, lonely and very private. I can type this anonymously online. I don't need or want to hear about famous people's miscarriages.

R23 and R25, I'm pretty sure you're both wrong. From what I remember, Harry said that, for environmental reasons, he wouldn't have more than two children. I don't think William made any comment along those lines.

Just in: Meghan is releasing her **first**CD entitled:

Lullabies for Empty Wombs

Title Track: Falling to the Ground Holding Archie While Creating Musical Score for Mass Distribution

FFS she’s a frau cunt who’ll elevate anything to play the female victim card all the while proclaiming to be a feminist.

Miscarriages are quite common and normal, yes, normal. It’s not a taboo to talk about it because I have female patients tell me their experiences all the time. Miscarriages happen mostly in the early stages, a lot of the time it’s the body knowing that the fetus has genetic problems or that it wouldn’t be healthy enough to be carried to term. That or the mother’s body isn’t capable of carrying it to term. The body knows and will try to expel it.

Getting pregnant so soon after having a baby is not a good thing and for someone pushing 40, what did she expect? No complications? In the past month I’d seen an infant patient (1 month old) who also has a 10-month old sibling at home. The patient was born with a congenital heart defect and had surgery, but the mom was too busy with her other baby to take him to follow-up appointments. We had to threaten her/ her husband with CPS. Point is, fraus need to know that you probably shouldn’t get pregnant so quickly if you can help it.

I suppose it never occurred to Meghan that some people really don't want to share some deeply personal experiences with the world?

"I don't wanna talk about it!"

Sparkles must have been incandescent with rage that Teigen beat her to it

My sister was sent home and told her fetus was not viable and to let nature run its course. Really horrible, grim and painful but all deaths are. As a society we sanatize everything. Everyone dies 'peacefully', everyone 'slips away'. BS. Having been there for several deaths and a miscarriage not true. Most people want to keep it private although I expect any day now some celebrity is going to film their poor parent bedridden in terminal delirium gasping for air and it will be 'brave'

As to why this is a thing. I don't know but my friend's husband teaches writer at university level. I have read several pieces by his students, some that has won festivals and local competitions. Some were published. The thing they all have in common is that they are deeply personal, written in first person, focus on very private parts of life, read long a stream of consciousness delivered in a shrink's office and quite frankly because they are the ramblings of someone's inner mind they have no sense of place, character or time and it doesn't give the piece universal appeal but makes it cold and soulless. One of his students has signed to a 6 figure deal on the back of an essay. The essay is her complaining that she had sex with someone and it wasn't pleasurable but she did it because she wanted him to say something nice about her writing. No place, no character development, no sense of era, time, social class of anything a reader can relate to. My thought after reading was 'So? What young person hasn't done this. This is not even on the list of top 1,000 bad things that can happen'. But she's a rich kid who probably has had such a charmed life that she thinks this is major suffering.

I suspect the Meghan/Tiegan stories resonate with rich, white woman who have experienced very little hardship in life. Life has been pretty sweet until they have a miscarriage and only then do experience any kind of suffering from life going wrong. Poor women learn that life is shit sometimes and things don't always go your way when they are about 10.

I don't believe there was a miscarriage.

And even if there had been, she's incapable of feeling "pain and grief".

Since cunty Meghan has got me on this road, I’ll just vent some more. We see a lot of dumb fraus who “accidentally” got pregnant too soon after giving birth, or fraus who couldn’t wait to get pregnant ASAP. If you’re fucking before your body has a chance to heal then use birth control. A lot of the times we see the results, not pretty at all. Prematurity or other medical and/ or psych issues. Official recommendation is wait at least 1 year but preferably 18 months after giving birth.

But of course geriatric moms who are grifters wanting to secure a second baby for blackmail and merchandising purposes can’t wait that long.

If the Orange Man and Batman can fake their Covid I can had a "miscarriage'" too.

The Royal Family knew about this marriage in July and nothing was said. Not one word.

If the Sussex Sages really wanted privacy like they've claimed, they should have just released an official statement from a spokesman at the time. Instead, the Fame Whore needs to splash the news (four months later) on the front page of a major newspaper in her standard melodramatic way.

Meghan just released extremely super incredibly private photo of herself grieving.

Miscarriages are now so commonly talked about and acknowledged that here in the US we have a cottage industry of funeral services for miscarriages. Fraus who are attention-seeking now have these services held in funeral homes and they make their friends and families attend them. So for Meghan to now say that she was made to suffer in silence or that miscarriage somehow is part of the female victimization narrative when it is just a part of nature taking its course, it reeks of desperate attention-seeking. She has a pathological need to be viewed as both victim and admired saint.

MEghan: The griftiest grifter who ever grifted.

^ miscarriage not marriage in my post @R89.

I hope they keep trying. Archie is gonna need siblings because his parents are...not ideal.

Why again does Meghan not have social media right now?

In the book "Why People Don't Heal and How They Can", Caroline Myss refers to this type of wallowing as "woundology".

We hardly ever know the information of the birth of Archibaldo and the names of his godparents, but now we have the full details in slow-motion of her miscarriage?

Manipulative, conniving, hypocritical phoney! OMFG! The creature is so insufferable!!!

It just comes down to wealthier women living charmed lives these days and a miscarriage being the worst thing that has happened them. Back in the day women had so many misfortunes befall them that a miscarriage barely registered. I grew up surrounded by families with 10+ children. It was common for one of the mother's friend's to be glad to miscarry because they already had enough mouths to feed. Death of a child was terrible but with 8 others at home you had to carry on. We seem to be coming around full circle where women became more well rounded people who had careers and interested and limited family size to a new rich upper class who are once again defining women's success by multiple births, staying home, helicoptering over children.

I'm not terribly interested in this Markle woman because although I am British I am deeply against monarchies and would be delighted if the whole lot of them shagged off into oblivion in the morning. In fact I'd chip in for their plane tickets. So my advice to anyone who hates this woman is hit 'unfollow' and ignore her and hopefully someday they'll off sod off.

If she wants to share private things, let her talk about Harry. How big is his cock? How often does he cum? Is he a moaner?

ME! Super extremely private note to BRF on her miscarriage:

Dear British Royal Family Members:

I regret to inform you that I recently suffered an incredibly painful and emotionally draining miscarriage. I'm fine despite the extreme physical pain and unexpected loss which has really wreacked havoc with both Harry and myself. We hope over the coming months to recover from this horrible, emotionally scarring event and with your support, hope to continue our good works here in America. We would like invite you all to the burial of our dearly beloved little zygote named: Diana Elizabeth Mary on December 25, 2020 at midnight. Details to be forwarded soon but burial will be at Forest Lawn. As I lay in bed soothing my aching body, images of little Diana's heavenly orb float around my mind making me almost wish I was with her. Little Diana is now with our beloved Diana and will forever more be missed forever more, forever more.

Of course, Harry sends his love.

Yours most sincerely,

Duchess Meghan

P.S. Like to confirm Little Diana's burial title: Princess Diana Sussex. RSVP ASAP

Maybe she can call upon the mixed race girl who lied about being set on fire by white frat boys to help her through this traumatic time.

Well I had to do something because, unfortunately, not many people have asked if I'm okay.

I really didn't think I could hate her more......and now this.

Duchess Whoresides needs to shut up. And the NYT should never have published this trite tripe.

When will we get Kim Kardashian's Op ED piece on the election?

I cannot understand why Archie and every detail of his birth is a safely guarded secret. A wonderful, joyous celebration of a new life. Yet, something so painful and fragile as loosing a new little soul is explained in every detail.

Does harry like ass play? Does he smell ginger funny down there?

Her PR team is abominable; one PR fiasco after another!

Bitch's wound was too toxic for me.

Something tells me this will end up as a Netflix special about miscarriages, starring yours truly. She will solicit interviews from celebrities who normally wouldn't give her the time of day, but will agree now due to her bravery. I doubt she was producing anything else of interest that would make it onto Netflix. Mark my words, it's coming.

She really, REALLY wants to be Diana... but all she'll ever be is Wallis.

R104 That's the crazy thing about women/couples who become obsessed with having baby 2 or baby 3. They totally ignore the wonderful child(ren) they already have to become obsessed with making another. They will leave the existing child with relatives while they fly over the country getting fertility treatments, they will loudly tell everyone about the pain of infertility or miscarriage while the existing kid is there looking around thinking 'what am I?' I imagine there will be lots of angry Tumblr posts from these forgotten kids in the coming years.

From the article, “Losing a child means carrying an almost unbearable grief, experienced by many but talked about by a few”.

So this cuntiest of cunts is now comparing miscarriage to actual death of a child, as in a fully formed human being? Can this cunt be more attention-seeking in her “tragedy”? Also isn’t the point of feminists who emphasize (correctly) that fetuses are not fully formed human beings with autonomous rights, hence women should have the right to abortion if they do not wish to carry child to term. Now this cunt is calling her fetus a child and equating miscarriage with loss of a child.

Except Wallis was rich and thin.

[quote]Her PR team is abominable; one PR fiasco after another!

Is it the team or it is the client?

Meghan at her finest:

[quote]I recalled a moment last year when Harry and I were finishing up a long tour in South Africa. I was exhausted. I was breastfeeding our infant son, and I was trying to keep a brave face in the very public eye.

[quote]“Are you OK?” a journalist asked me. I answered him honestly, not knowing that what I said would resonate with so many — new moms and older ones, and anyone who had, in their own way, been silently suffering. My off-the-cuff reply seemed to give people permission to speak their truth. But it wasn’t responding honestly that helped me most, it was the question itself.

[quote]“Thank you for asking,” I said. “Not many people have asked if I’m OK.”

God, not these two again. But, of course, this article was timed for after the election and during the slow news cycle of Thanksgiving break for maximum coverage. Guess I have to give Sunshine Sachs credit.

I would also like to tell you about a hangnail I am currently suffering from. The pain is devastating, and this morning I collapsed on the floor in a puddle of tears in the east sitting room as my infant son padded over to me saying, "Mommy... Mommy..." My wise and perfect husband came in too, sensing something was wrong: "Do you have a hangnail dear? Is it so very dreadful?" Yes, I told him. Yes, I had to speak my truth to him in the bravest voice I know how to use. My finger will be okay eventually (but at what cost?), and what matters is the asking, and the sympathy, and the attention. Ask any survivor of a genocide and they'll tell you the same truth as that.

NYT byline: By Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex. The writer is a mother, feminist and advocate.

Who uses the title, Duchess of Sussex.

She makes me think of Charlton Heston.

Not to minimize miscarriages at all, but let's get real. Thousands of women experience early miscarriages all the time; it's not a unique experience.

Sparkle Markle's dramatic account is only missing the part where she crawls across the floor, living child clamped tightly to her teet, beads of sweat gathering on her forehead, struggling to reach the telephone to call Harry before she passes out cold from the excruciating pain of it all.

^ Meghan Markle returns to the screen in Not Without My Close Up!

Good comment ion the Washington post story about this:

[quote] I was under the impression that both [she] and Prince Harry wanted to be left alone and have their privacy respected. You can either have your privacy or you can talk about your personal business, you cannot do both.

From the Globe and Mail:

Zara Phillips Tindall, daughter of Princess Anne and first cousin on Prince Harry, has spoken publicly about her two miscarriages and so has her husband, Mike Tindall. The Duchess of Cambridge visited Tommy's National Centre for Miscarriage Research at Imperial College, London on October 14/20 to support Baby Loss Awareness Week. Kate met with families who have lost babies, and spoke with experts in pregnancy research, care and support. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have share photos and information about their children with the public, while protecting their children's privacy. Meghan Markle has written a "woe is me" article, refused to disclose when or where she gave birth to Archie, and then had a photoshoot in the Great Hall at Windsor Castle to show Archie to the world - all breaking with royal traditions and hypocritical.

Later someone added:

Markle also announced her first pregnancy in 2018 during baby loss awareness week in the UK.

And it's true... 2018 baby loss awareness week was Oct. 8 - 15 and Huge was married October 12... and we all know what happened.

Now I am by no means Meagain announced her pregnancy at someone else's wedding and intended to rub her fertility in the face of miscarrying mothers everywhere... but LOL... she even fucks up accidentally.

The lady is a farce.

I wonder if the (twisted and curious) strategy is to fail so spectacularly, become so disliked, that she can write a memoir about how the hate destroyed everything.

r122, you'd be surprised. Most of the comments at the NYTimes are full of nothing but empathy and adulation for her piece.

I meant cumulatively... she's not exactly racking up the wins.

R123 Well duh, NYT readers lick the ass of the upper classes and monarchies all the time. They just haven't turned on Meghan. DL seems to also be in love with the Royal Family, the British Upper Class, the Ivy League system and America's 'finest families' ....DL has just turned on this Meghan woman.

R67, I don't think it's necessarily performative grief. My mum had an early miscarriage when I was a child, and I remember her being devastated by it. The baby was unplanned and she already had two children, but she was very distressed nonetheless. And she's a very resilient, sensible woman, not a drama queen by any stretch. Some women are deeply affected by it. I wonder if it's evolutionary - maybe your body produces hormones to make you feel grief when you miscarry, so that you'll be motivated to get pregnant again quickly?

R126, did your mom write her own piece for the paper or was it ghosted?

DataLounge: Who cares about that cunt Meghan Markle?

Also DataLounge: [Link posted within minutes of publication, nearly 2,000 views in 8 hours]

She’s going to adopt a black child. Wait and see.

Maybe if I... er, I mean she... got enough of the love and sympathy she's entitled to, she wouldn't have had to miscarry that child in the first place!

I can’t imagine talking about my personal health issues so publicly. It makes other people uncomfortable and is therefore tacky.

Markle strikes me as a woman who tried to do the career thing, wasn’t too good at it, then decided to snag a man and pop out babies.

The suburb I live in is full of these. Lots of teachers who literally worked one year, then got married and popped out a kid every 2 years so they don’t have to go back to work.

Once you have 3 or 4, it isn’t cost effective to go back to work (childcare would be $5000. / month.) Mommy can then sit on her ass until the youngest starts kindergarten.

Then it’s time for that OOPS! baby at age 40.

R132 It's funny because I don't know any women like this as I have always live in low cost areas with lots of working class people, immigrants. It's surreal to me to see how regressive well off people have become and how economic necessity has made the poor into model feminists with moms working, dads stepping up to do childcare and school runs and men being totally fine with their wives earning as much or more than them and getting promotions.

You’re right r133. I’m from a long line of working women. I grew up very working class. I can’t even imagine being a stay at home mom. I would go insane.

To be honest, I think these women betrayed the feminist women who came before them. That’s only one reason I find Markle so annoying.

And the mommy thing wouldn’t be so irritating if they weren’t so fucking never-shut-up about how hard they work. No you don’t, bitch. Shut the fuck op and enjoy your good luck, but don’t ask us to think you’re such a martyr.

R129 - and then the child wouldn't be part of the line of succession, because it goes by bloodline. And people who don't understand that would accuse the royals of being racist.

Common frau masquerading as a woke international influencer.

Her op-ed reads like sections of Funding Freedom. Only thing missing is a scene with birds serenading her grifting ass.m on the way to the hospital. My guess is she had early (under 12 weeks) miscarriage which many women have gone through. If it was more than 12 weeks she would’ve milked it for all it’s worth and she’d still be talking about dead baby.

We’re all walking miracles because for us to be even born is a feat in itself. I tell my patients this all the time when I ask them to take proactive care of their own health. There are bazillions of DNA replications and even one error can lead to a chain of errors that culminate in defects, some of which are incompatible with life. Of course more factors than that go into why miscarriages occur, but the accepted scientific view is that this is a major cause for early pregnancy loss. It’s a fact of life since humans are creatures of procreation. Nature is not kind nor is it fair. Because of this, I think it’s a disservice to women to now have this cottage industry on miscarriage grief, to the point of now celebrating woe-is-me accounts of miscarriage and equating it with death of a child. I think the teaching should be a focus on miscarriage as a common complication of pregnancy so as to take the blame out of the equation for some women.

Meghan got pregnant with Archie pretty quickly after the wedding so I didn't anticipate that she would have any problems having another child. I guess I was wrong.

Chrissy Teigen's post felt real and raw. Meg is like...how can I make this more flowery? And really, mentioning Breonna Taylor and George Floyd? It's not Tragedy Bingo.

I don't want to sound insensitive but it strikes me that she could be making this whole thing up or milking it to get celebrity support. She's trying to get Teigan's attention so they can make contact. She will then pretend to bond with Teigan and her husband in order to "leak" details of how they came together over their misery and are now close friends. Cue the People cover story and name dropping. Hey, nothing else was working and they were becoming irrelevant.

They have just lied so much, it's hard to know what to believe.

The miscarriage is real, but the motives behind it are not those stated in the editorial. This is Meghan further establishing her woke-mommy brand. She wants to be the next Goop. Or the next Oprah. Or both: Gooprah.

This attention whore would do EVERYTHING to remain in the news, no matter what it'd take.

And let's face it, she and Duke Dimwit became pretty much irrelevant within the past few months. This article reeks of desperation to remain 'relevant'. But with Covid19 and the election, who gives a fuck about her and the idiot prince?

Miscarriage is not a taboo subject as M states...l think she is going for this angle as a new cause that she will then use for self promotion.

Agreed, r144. She'll probably try on a bit of depression too to see if a mental health angle works. Or maybe fall victim to some kind of eating disorder as a result of that depression?? That could be cool. If she has bulimia or something she can be compared to the tragic Princess Di and generate some headlines that way.

This reminds me of Emily Murphy's letter, written to elicit sympathy for the author but having the opposite effect. I don't need to know whether Meghan Markle is breastfeeding or spontaneously aborting or anything else. Who here hasn't worked when they were exhausted or seriously ill? How many women lose pregnancies and are back at work the next day? Suck it up, buttercup.

Those of you describing Meghan as woke should be aware that's like tattooing "I love Trump" on your forehead. Go someplace else please.

I just can’t get past Markle’s melodrama from the very beginning: “clutching my firstborn.”

Markle opens with more drama than when Scarlett O’Hara closes with: “As God as my witness.”

R137, that's exactly what I remember from biology 101 at university, with an oddball prof talking about menstruation, how much blood there is, and that often there's a miscarriage mixed in with the blood.

Anyhoo, I'd say mission accomplished for her. Featured on twitter and lots of blue checkmarks talking about how brave she is. But then, only we reprobates on an anonymous board would dare to be catty about a woman miscarrying.

FFS What she realized was how much backlash Chrissy Tiegan shut down with her loss. Which IMO sharing the pics to social media was exactly a media stunt that Bargain Basement Duchess put in her back pocket for later use.

'Woke' is a term used by lots of people, asshole at R146. I fucking hate Trump, but I can still call out a hypocrite using social justice issues for her own self-aggrandizement when I see one.

She's just mad that the Cambridges got so much sympathy for the loss of their dog so she had to do something to upstage them. She's so predictable.

Has the Squad found a way to blame Will and Kate yet?

She's. Fucking. Forty.

This ain't rocket surgery. What is wrong with women?

R111, I was coming here to make that exact point. She lost a potential child, a zygote or fetus, and however much she wanted it and was counting on it, it wasn't a BAY-BEE. Some grief is to be expected, but for god's sake, as others have said, miscarriages are very common.

Next thing you know, she'll be pulling out the line "No mother should have to outlive her zygote!" And, ":( :( :( It's a tragedy no one can understand! No, I'M NOT OKAY."

I think she's already pregnant again. As someone pointed out upthread, this was what clinched her a 9-month delay in her lawsuit. This also helps her craft the triumphing-over-adversity narrative she'll sell if this current pregnancy results in a healthy baby, particularly if the baby is a girl. She'll dine out on that all next year.

I can't believe the number of people who didn't and still don't recognize her as nothing more than a celebrity chasing gold digger.

She is so obvious that it would take a fool like Harry to fall for her. This latest cry for attention is embarrassing and shameless. I may be speaking too soon but at least we weren't subjected to photo ops from her "hospital bed."

Did anyone tell her to get a blog yet? If not...

GET A BLOG!

What’s sad is that they are making so much money off of doing nothing. There’s better content to stream on Netflix than these two idiots. She’ll have to keep manufacturing drama to stay relevant like the kartrashians.

Monica Lewinsky and Lens Dunham just retweeted her. Can you imagine the three of them in one room?

Talk about D List.

All she needs now is Kathy Griffin.

Remember her smiling, effervescent zoom calls and conferences all summer, even a baby2baby event in August? Oh, our poor brave Meghan, smiling though her heart was breaking!

The difference between Chrissy and Meghan is that Chrissy overshares, but it feels real. Everything Meghan does screams "I've written 6 drafts and consulted a thesaurus". And of course she has to mention Breonna Taylor.

California hospitals haven't allowed visitors since last spring, no exceptions. How was Harry there?

California hospitals haven't allowed visitors since last spring, no exceptions. How was Harry there?

[quote] a fool like Harry

Harry is no fool. Don't think for a second he's just some foolish, innocent who was tricked by a conniving woman. Far, far from it.

They had bad publicity and fallout with the veterans cemetery stunt where they took along a fashion photographer to document them being noble humanitarians. Then shortly after that came the confirmation that Meghan had admitted to collaborating with Funding Freedom’s author Omid Scobie, after vehemently denying it. Now of course anything their countless PR staff (there are apparently 4 different ones now) could do to mitigate the damage, they will do it.

It was clearly written by a PR team. I know this will make me sound like a monster, but it made me laugh. I was wondering what stunt she’d pull to get the world to turn its attention from Covid, etc.

Those photos of them placing a wreath at a random cemetery just didn’t cut it!

Don’t doubt she had a miscarriage. I’m a woman and never had one, but know plenty of women who have. It’s always sad but the level of trauma depends on how far along you are. If early in first trimester, it’s like getting a heavy period. Obviously, the later in the pregnancy, the more horrifying physically and emotionally.

The essay reads as if she was pretty early-on. I’m sure upset to lose the baby, but it was probably just a cluster of cells. She didn’t mention the sex or a burial (and you know damn well she would have) so guessing the fetus wasn’t bigger than a grape.

She really is a piece of work! But thankful for the drama she brings. Entertaining and a great distraction.

While I do sympathise with her, I have to admit I felt uncomfortable at the mentions of Breonna Taylor and George Floyd. It seemed inappropriate.

Well, appropriate has never been a strong suit, has it ?

r163 makes a good point. Hospitals allow absolutely NO visitors and have not allowed them since March. More than a few people have died alone without ever seeing their family because of this rule.

But Harry was allowed in to hold her hand for a miscarriage, which hospitals don't even usually treat?

The stench of BS is strong with this story.

Can you imagine how fucking PISSED she must be that Diego Maradona pushed her off the front pages?

I imagine there's some crockery being smashed at Chez Meghan

And he died early in the day too! Damn, and there were coordinated commentaries on her commentary that slipped away quickly, too.

Apparently she had her miscarriage in July of 2019, so when they were still in the UK.

[quote] California hospitals haven't allowed visitors since last spring, no exceptions.

That's not true

What's she "raising awareness" for? Her upcoming pregnancy announcement extravaganza?

Surely it can't be for miscarriages, which have been a fact of women's lives since the beginning of time and of which every adult on earth is well aware.

Kate loses her dog, so Meghan has to one up her by losing a baby. So predictable.

Several years ago, Tama Janowitz wrote an essay about her miscarriage. It was a bit crass, but miscarriages have already been discussed and written about. Maybe her royal HIGHness just can't find anyone who wants to listen to her talking about her miscarriage. As far as I know, there's not a club for miscarriages like Alcoholics Anonymous.

R132: I lived in Wilton CT for 16 years (Fairfield county). I swore these non-working moms had a plan: have a baby every few years to ensure that they would never have to work again. In fact, most of them had only 1-2 years of "career" after college before snagging their financial investor/hedge fund/banker husband. WHAT THE EFF happened to feminism?

I don’t believe for one second she was pregnant. Not one bit. This piece was solely written as a PR exercise to insulate the Sussexes, especially Meghan, from any criticism. She had a miscarriage, DONCHA KNOW?!! A MISCARRIAGE! From what I can see on various news websites, the fraus are lapping it up and feeling very protective of her for her supposed misfortune. She has a long history of lying and I don’t put it past her to sink so low.

What I find unsettling about the piece apart from its purple prose and conflation with covid and BLM, is that it’s written by a sociopath who is acting out what she thinks is how a woman would react to a miscarriage. She had her hair in a ponytail, picked up an errant crayon, felt a sharp pain, fell to the ground, sang a lullaby, held her husband’s clammy hand—all reek of insincere make-believe. Like that is how she thinks a miscarriage would happen.

Meghan was probably totally unaware other people have talked their miscarriages because they were other people's problems.

People are actually giving her credit for "raising awareness on such a shameful, taboo subject. " Apparently Smegs discovered the miscarriage.

She thinks she can miscarry better than anyone has ever miscarried before.

[quote]My off-the-cuff reply seemed to give people permission to speak their truth.

Umm...narcissistic much? Sorry beyotch, but literally no one on Earth is waiting for your permission to "speak their truth".

[quote]WHAT THE EFF happened to feminism?

A girl's gotta eat.

And in the privacy of my own home, I don't have to wear a bra. This was the problem with Betty Friedan. All her feminist moralizing was done from the comfort of her own home.

"She had her hair in a ponytail, picked up an errant crayon, felt a sharp pain, fell to the ground, sang a lullaby, held her husband’s clammy hand."

Did this come from a random Suits script? She is painfully ridiculous.

Not only that, but, first of all, her "off the cuff reply" seemed pre-plotted to stick it to the BRF - hardly spontaneous. Secondly, that reply, said in the country where it was said, beautifully summed up her self-centredness, her self-delusion and her total inability to either see other people's problems or to see her own in any kind of perspective.

Even now, people still mock her for insisting that it was a great injustice that no one has asked her if she's okay.

The scary truth may be that she actually did have a miscarriage but sees no moral problem with using it for press.

[quote]She had her hair in a ponytail,

This is what caused it. Dr Spock has warned time and time again that binding the hair in the first three months pulls blood away from the fetus.

It’s been a year since the South Africa PR disaster and she’s been perseverating since then to find a way to justify her “Are you OK?” faux pas. It’s not in her narcissist wiring to m admit she was wrong; now it’s an “off-the-cuff” reply that she got a lot of support for. She gave women PERMISSION to be asked if they’re okay! Don’t you naysayers understand? She cares about everyone, like the apparition on the NYC street she saw. Are you okay? Are YOU okay? We’re in this together! You’re all winners!

Maradona has Farrah'd Meghan

I can't even begin to imagine what The Queen must think of this tabloid-trash woman Harry has hooked himself up with.

Call me a stone hearted asshole but I have performative grief porn. Sick of all these D-listed women bleating on about their miscarriages. We’ve all had a tough year and everyone has tragedy in their lives. You had a miscarriage, I get it, it’s sad for YOU, but it’s as common as getting the shits from eating street tacos.

*I have had my fill of performative...

"I've never been able to carry a butt baby to term."

It's just as well; you'd ruin your figure.

Counting down to playing the 'Sexually-abused by a Relative' card, in 3...2....1....

R195 She already tried that. According to Lady Colin Campbell, when word went around she was writing a book, someone from the Sussex camp approached her with the insinuation that a certain individual may have been inappropriate with Meghan and that is why he wasn’t invited to a certain wedding. Lady C smelled a rat right away and refused to entertain the notion.

^^^As soon as Thomas Markle dies the lies will come out because he wouldn’t be able to defend himself.

R196 "Lady" Colin Campbell is about as good a source as Meg

R197 Just like everyone had predicted she would one day claim a miscarriage, you are so right she will claim sexual abuse when her father is dead. She will also claim abuse when she inevitably divorces the ginger.

Wait. She collapsed with Archie while changing his diaper? Did she bring down the changing table as well or did she grab him to have something to break her fall? Was she bleeding out while singing her lullaby?

How many drafts did this essay take? 7? 9?

I've posted this before but I'll say it again: I fear an eventual Mayerling outcome. She's so narcissistic she'd prefer to end up a dead martyr than a failed grifter.

It was probably an IVF attempt that didn’t take.

[Quote]Wait. She collapsed with Archie while changing his diaper? Did she bring down the changing table as well or did she grab him to have something to break her fall? Was she bleeding out while singing her lullaby?

LMAO. She really is this ridiculous.

What is it with Diana, Fergy and Meghan that they all felt the need to invade their own privacy in a bid for sympathy? Part of it is "you think I have such a great life-- well listen to this." Another part is exhibitionism, which is what attracts someone to this kind of marriage. I have absolutely no curiosity about any of these women nor do I want to hear an Oprah-style confessional about the demons they have struggled with, the misery of being skewered by British tabloids or any of the other minutiae of their lives. I don't care about their kids, wardrobes or houses. Is this about making them relatable so they can make money through books, appearances and endorsements?

In California you are allowed to have one person at bedside if you are inpatient. It would mean her miscarriage and aftermath procedure (or if she even had d&c) didn’t warrant hospital stay. Like I said, I think in all likelihood she lost the fetus before 12 weeks.

If a facility has strict rules against family member at bedside, certain LA hospitals make exceptions for celebrity VIPs, one rule for regular people snd another for VIPs. I worked briefly at Cedars Sinai and saw this kind of thing a lot. I heard St John’s has similar policy too.

Remember several months ago when everyone was under Covid quarantine and there was a picture of Haz and Meg getting into an SUV? Was that about the time that this happened?

If this really happened, we are going straight to hell.

[quote]one rule for regular people snd another for VIPs. I worked briefly at Cedars Sinai and saw this kind of thing a lot. I heard St John’s has similar policy too.

What level of VIP do you need to be? Would Suits-era Meghan be enough of a VIP?

FUCKING KLAN GRANNY THREAD

NUKE THESE RACIST CUNTS MURIEL PLEASE

R208 No, we’re not. She lies a lot (chicken taco lunch with Michelle Obama, anyone?) so even if it is true, it’s the case of the boy who cried wolf. She’ll be in hell first for using a dead zygote for publicity.

I take it the birds weren't serenading her on her way to the hospital while she held the perfect yoga pose in the car?

It took over 200 posts before KGT came in with their predictable screeching to Muriel. That must be a new record.

R213, The really funny part is how it comes with its one little friend who gives it its one and only W&W. LOL. So predictable.

Chrissy had John and her mom in the hospital with her when she had her D&C, IIRC.

KGT probably W&Ws their own posts. You can do that, you know.

What is it about a miscarriage story that brings out fraus in full force, each one trying to outdo the other with their saddest pregnancy loss story ever? The NYT “Times pick” comments are all a series of women caterwauling about their miscarriages as are most of the comments on the DM. Shouldn’t this article have been more apropos for Cosmo, Parents or Mumsnet?

FUCKING KLAN GRANNY THREAD

NUKE THESE RACIST AND MISOGYNIST CUNTS MURIEL PLEASE

She likely had to beg them to take her story. She's going to milk this for years.

Hey KGT, is Maradona a big fat racist for dying on Meg's special day?

F&F these threads.

Meghan has still made a few of tomorrow's front pages, albeit as second fiddle to Maradona

I'm surprised people think Meghan fabricated the story. Miscarriage is extremely common. It's hardly a stretch to believe that a thirty-nine-year-old woman had one.

[quote] Looks like her dusty old 39-year-old uterus is on the fritz.

[quote]Harry bet on the wrong horse.

Hilarious.

Harry may not be a fool as you say r165 but he's a terrible judge of character. The Covid pandemic laid bare the Sussex's paltry plans for financial success - hooking up with Netflix for who knows what type of worthwhile venture. Once that's exhausted, then what?

Once these two hit their 40s, people will tire of their victimhood pranks, constant jockeying for social media space, media fawning, and what was cute and adorable in the 30s gets tiresome in their 50s. They don't have the smarts, no real skills, they hop on the latest bandwagon and hope for the best. That's their big game plan. Oh and assembling a retinue of equally grasping, thirsty celebs. They thought the Elton John rock star lifestyle was theirs for the taking. They're finding it's a hard slog, constant fight for media attention, coming up with new and exciting personal "tragedies" to enthrall the gullible masses who remain blind to their grasping desperation for acceptability and recognition as media "stars". What's the next ruse in their bag of tricks to create the next internet buzz? Mind boggles really.

[quote]It's hardly a stretch to believe that a thirty-nine-year-old woman had one.

But it is a very big stretch to believe that Meghan is thirty-nine.

The miscarriage is believable enough, but the dramatic soap opera details are not remotely believable.

[quote] And the mommy thing wouldn’t be so irritating if they weren’t so fucking never-shut-up about how hard they work. No you don’t, bitch. Shut the fuck op and enjoy your good luck, but don’t ask us to think you’re such a martyr.

For anyone who has actually experienced a miscarriage, you would understand the comfort that comes from commiseration. Not surprisingly, the Meghan-hate is coming from men -- or women who have never miscarried.

Yes, that’s exactly it, R 228. You’re so smart

That's not how F&F works R39 you barely functioning knuckle dragger.

Oh for fuckssake r228, you commiserate with close and trusted friends. She chose to 'commiserate' with the NYT and as such, the world, be they male or female. None of us asked to be drawn in to her fucking health issues, and as such we have the right to react in any way we choose. The whole pity-party was just a thinly veiled attention seeking exercise that the entire world can see right through. What a tawdry woman she is.

The Duchess of Tawdry!

Exactly, R231. Especially given that she's currently embroiled in a multi-million dollar invasion of privacy lawsuit. Private people don't splash the details of their miscarriages all over the front page of the Times.

The reason people have a hard time believing this story is because this is meghan fucking markle we are talking about. Meghan markle, who once walked up and down the street for hours (holding her feed the world bag) in front of the daily mail offices in hope that they would take her picture. If she really miscarried, she would be ordering Harry to call the media at the first cramp. She would not sit on a story that could bring her attention. No way did she wait this long to share her "tragedy."

Who was the father?

So on the day before Thanksgiving Sparkle has to cheer and encourage the universe and every woman in it with her news that she had a zygote of eight cells that wisely committed suicide rather than carry its genetic burden through a hideous life.

What a fucking, useless, clueless pig.

She and Ivanka obviously compare notes on how to look like what they are.

R164, it sounds like it happened in her home. But I wonder how far along the pregnancy was. There's a huge difference between losing an eight-and-a-half month fetus and a three-month fetus. Was she further along than she was when she wore the maternity coat at Eug's wedding (though she wasn't showing). I don't remember seeing any bump cradling at all over the past several months. This makes me think that she wasn't far along at all.

I feel bad thinking this, but wonder if Chrissy Teigen is feeling pissed/territorial. I notice on the DM there's an article placed right next to Meghan's story, talking about how Chrissy's in a grief spiral from her miscarriage and taking time off social media. Dueling oversharers?

Chrissy Teigen was in her early 3rd trimester when the baby died. She had to deliver. There was a pic of John holding the tiny baby with a little blue cap all bundled. Chrissy's situation and Markle's are not remotely comparable.

Omg, the schmaltzy writing is the melodramatic frau version of an over-the-top Barbara Cartland doomed-to-fail romance:

“I knew, as I clutched my firstborn child, that I was losing my second.” “Hours later, I lay in a hospital bed, holding my husband’s hand,” she said. “I felt the clamminess of his palm and kissed his knuckles, wet from both our tears. Staring at the cold white walls, my eyes glazed over. I tried to imagine how we’d heal.”

R240. Are Markle and her pr team recounting how it all happened...or are they putting together a first draft while the writers of "Days of Our Lives," take a holiday break for Thanksgiving?

“I felt the clamminess of his palm and kissed his knuckles, wet from both our tears." WTF? Well, perhaps it will work better as acting directions than it does as the written word.

R52 and R63 - great posts

“I knew, as I clutched my firstborn child, that I was losing my second.”

In the emotion or panic of the moment, she didn't "grab her son"...or "I held Archie." Oh no, that's much too mundane. Instead, she "clutched her firstborn."

Dear, when you fish for sympathy, it's difficult to offer you anything.

Just when the Harkles were Finding Freedom, the inescapable, inevitable question rears its martyred head: "Staring at the cold white walls, my eyes glazed over. I tried to imagine how we’d heal.”

How would we heal? We may never know. I supposed it will haunt us forever...long after Netflix is a faded memory. Will we ever find freedom? As God is my witness, will we ever find freedom? Will we ever...

Fade to black.

Can she do anything without flowery prose? Just talk like a human!

Meghan Markle wipes her ass =

I slowly unrolled the soft white tissue and clutched it carefully into an artful wad. I listened to the gentle notes created as the silky smooth paper danced up between my buttocks. A sweet melody, orchestrated just for me! A warm tear ran down my rosy cheek as I realized I was deserving of this action. This is what self-care was all about.

I wonder what song I'd sing if I were doubled over in pain. I don't have a baby, but I doubt I'd be grabbing my cat as I fell to the floor.

Twitter seems to love Meghan for sharing this

How long before she who must be obeyed tries to trademark "Are you OK?"

Twitter is fakeified by PR interns and her racist "fans".

Most people look at this and think she's a self-centred person for whom the concept of "ME! ME! ME!" dominates her every single thought and action.

"Staring at the cold white walls, my eyes glazed over. I tried to imagine how we’d heal.”

Absolutely someone needs to ask if she's okay. She's a mental case. Who the Christ talks like that?

Why can't she just be decent and normal?

I believe you, Meghan!

I dunno, R252...why does rain fall down and not up?

Seriously.

Sophie is the absolute model for the wives of the extras.

Hi, I'm MEgain's PR director. I've taken all your comments on board, and have come up with the agenda for the next PR team meeting.

Possible future strategies/talking points: - mental illness, especially depression or a nervous breakdown, as a result of the miscarriage, no, she is NOT ok - an eating disorder as a result of the miscarriage, either weight gain or loss (gaunt is probably better, that way people can speculate how ill she is), to deal with the grief and how she bravely overcomes this - addiction to medication for the mental illness/eating disorder or maybe a substance abuse problem (are opioids still a thing?) and how she's struggled valiantly with it - the strain on the marriage as she courageously deals with any of these problems and how they've lovingly managed to get their relationship back on track - adoption (we like the idea mentioned upthread of a black child) and/or IVF, the issues she's facing and how fearlessly she deals with them - dealing with the death of her father, the unbearable grief and regret of it all and how she's generously giving Harry permission to rekindle his relationship with his father

We'll also evaluate each point for wokeness, sympathy factor, and general public interest/currency. If any of you have more ideas, please leave them in the comments section. Thank you.

Ugh, sorry, messed up the formatting for my talking points! Was supposed to be a list.

If an indication was required about what a righteous CUNT Megs is, then one need look no further than this.

Since Meghan feels such grief for a fetus that was probably a collection of cells the size of an olive, perhaps she should spare a thought for the FATHER who raised her and supported her well into adulthood...?

Someone should point that out.

She must be so mad that Maradona died just after she revealed the news. Now every news headline won't be about her lmao

I'm OK, thanks for caring.

"Looking for the errant crayon". Archie would have been a little over one when this occurred. Do kids that age play with crayons? If so, aren't they those huge, fat crayons when they are that little? A kid that age would not play with crayons unsupervised and they're so big it would be impossible for one to be "errant" unless they live in a pig sty.

I don't have kids, but I do remember when my nieces and nephews were toddlers they would never have been left alone with crayons because it is a choking hazard.

Anyway, she's a fucking liar. She's not cleaning her house and there are no errant crayons. Archie probably lives in a different wing of the house with his nanny.

This stunt got a small blip of attention, but is pretty much forgotten at this point. I guess the next stunt is to announce she's pregnant?

"Staring at the cold white walls, my eyes glazed over. I tried to imagine how we’d heal.”

By announcing Little Diana is on her way.

Mark my words.

Crayola makes one product remotely like a crayon that it deems suitable for a 12 month old.

It was Harry's crayon.

Thank you, R264. LOL, R265. Meghan always get the little details wrong. She's so disinterested in her own child, she probably had to pull a memory from her own childhood to put in the essay.

Has Meghan chopped down her rose garden, yet? It feels like it's getting to the point.

What's most offensive about this is Meghan's totally false assertion that shame and stigma are attached to miscarriages. In point of fact, Britain has an annual Baby Loss Remembrance Week around the second week in October, and, ironically, her hated and envied sister-in-law, Kate, was quite visible in visiting the charity associated with it. Equally ironically, the existence of Baby Loss Remembrance week was lost on Meghan in October 2018, when she felt compelled to announce her pregnancy through her (totally unnecessary, there was nothing to see) maternity coat and Princess Eugenie's televised wedding.

Women have written in in the hundreds in the DM asking "What stigma? what shame?!".

Zara Tindall suffered not one but TWO miscarriages between her two children, and spoke openly about it, as did her husband.

The TIMES ran a series on motherhood for a long time and an issue with a real stigma and shame, infertility, was discussed at length.

And, this idea that every deeply personal experience is best dealt with by some massive public revelation is sickening. Grief by its very nature is deeply personal to the individual.

Lastly, trying to tie her personal grief over what was clearly a first trimester loss (Chrissy Teigen was halfway through her pregnancy and by then had something much closer to a full-term infant in her arms), a common if unhappy experience (including to younger women: Diana also had one between William and Harry, and she was in her early twenties), to bring up the racism victim card again via the murder of two adults by police, was beyond shameful.

Support groups, open discussion, Baby Loss Remembrance Week in Britain - how is it that the existence of all this escaped Meghan and the idiotic media joining in the game. As if, you know, not making a public Thing of it equals shame and stigma.

She knows no boundaries whatsoever, all whilst moaning about "privacy".

This article wasn't to share or help other women. It was to help repair some of the ongoing damage her public image has been taking, most recently with that horrendous L.A. cemetery faux pas, and her admission that she had, indeed, colluded with the writers of "Finding Freedom".

Look for a "We're Pregnant Again!" bulletin either at Christmas, or on Kate's birthday on 9 January.

Oh, and not for nothing: but this was released on the day to coincide with late afternoon papers in the UK - totally obscuring, for the second time in less than a year, a speech by Camilla on domestic abuse on the same day.

Having a miscarriage is sad, although it also may have been for the best if something was wrong with the foetus, as it often is.

That doesn't absolve Meghan of displaying, yet again, her pompousness, self-regard, craving for attention, and willingness to use others to prop her public image up. Including the war dead (it turned out their weren't even bodies in those two graves, just markers, the bodies of the soldiers had been sent home), George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, et al.

Oh, and by the way, Meghan? Hospital rooms aren't "cold white" any longer. They're all painted muted hues of green, especially in the maternity/ob-gyn wings.

She is disgusting.

This is the kind of hilarious tripe a flyover frau writes in her diary not something meant for international releas.

She should have had it leaked.

After a brief interval confirmed it very discretely.

About a month later penned the op ed - thoughts on grief and loss, gratitude and connectedness after hearing from so many women.

if you could even bear pimping your own loss for publicity.

Like is Harry so stupid or pussy whipped or besotted he doesn't see this or is he now, even nascently, in the stage where something doesn't sit quite right?

Meghan strikes me as one of those women for whom what one does for her or does not do, what one says to her or not says is always the wrong thing as and when she needs to pull this passive-aggressive, controlling card. Eventually people pick up on the game and simply stop playing, tell her to fuck off and walk away.

R269 - No need to insult real women in the midwest or their counterparts in Yorkshire in Britain. Most of them haven't the time for diaries and are too honest and plainspoken for this kind of purple (and nakedly made up) prose. You need a B.A. at least and the deluded view of the world common to rich privileged women to come up with this.

What I couldn't get past was that she was changing a diaper (allegedly), felt a sharp pain in her lower abdomen, and picked her 18 month old UP so they could fall to the floor together, and then instead of doing the instinctive thing, "Harry! Harry! Help!!!!" - started singing a lullaby.

She really cannot help herself. She would have doubled over, clutched her midsection, not picked the kid up off the changing table, and called for help immediately.

Lullaby to keep us both calm my arse. Jesus, she can't help using even her own kid as a prop in her drama.

The NYT continues its relentless march to greater irrelevancy.

The Daily Mail has kept this article about Meghan's heartbreak on its front page (online) for THREE FUCKING DAYS. It's still only got about 400 comments.

Most of the time, articles on Meghan's and Harry's antics garner thousands.

The DM probably thought this one would get 15,000 or so comments, but no matter how long they keep it there, it's just not getting the clicks these pieces usually do.

You know why? This article's comments are moderated; usually, pieces on Meghan and Harry aren't.

And even then, most of the comments left up are negative.

It's probably working in America, which doesn't know any better, but it isn't helping her or him in Britain.

R274 -Truly. It's not a newspaper any longer, it's a propaganda machine. And the irony is, if she hadn't brought Floyd and Taylor into it, they probably wouldn't have printed the piece, because it wouldn't have had enough in it to make it worthwhile. But when she added in BLM and the Floyd and Taylor killings, suddenly it worked with the TIMES' agenda.

Mary had a little lamb, little la...argh crash .. writhes on floor..

Why would you sing a lullaby to a baby who is getting up in the morning? A kid that age would be wriggling from her arms to get free. Did any of the people lauding this tripe actually consider the details it contains?

Meghan missed her calling, she should be writing bodice-ripper novels for Harlequin.

"Buckingham Palace declined to respond to the article, saying the couple’s loss was “a deeply personal matter which we would not comment on,” Reuters reported."

- WAPO

Don't give me the Drag Queens of Paris is Burning or of Rupaul's Race.

While they may have perfected shade, those minxes at Buckingham Palace INVENTED it. That's how it's done, turn the oven to OFF.

[quote]Like is Harry so stupid or pussy whipped or besotted he doesn't see this or is he now, even nascently, in the stage where something doesn't sit quite right?

I think he's still so angry with the BRF and royal life that he sees her as the only way out. I'm sure he's still mixed up about his mother's death and probably didn't receive the support he needed. And who knows what Charles has told him about Diana.

I always imagined Camilla cornered him one Christmas, sat him down, lit a fag and told him the truth. "Kid, your mother was a hot mess. But fair dues, people liked her. Being in the BRF is no easy ride. But kid, you got the balls to see it through. Despite all the shit you've pulled, the Nazi drag and flapping your dangly bits around Vegas, people still adore you. Don't fuck it up!"

R279, the only way that response would have been better is if they had replaced "personal" with "private".

Yes, r281, they restrained themselves in a show of mercy.

[quote]the only way that response would have been better is if they had replaced "personal" with "private".

The word "personal" humanizes the statement. It recognizes Meghan has feelings. "Private" doesn't have the same connotation, as in "There's a privacy fence around Buckingham Palace."

The other day I was eating a moist, firm, and earthily fragrant turd, with a bechamel sauce. it was my first scatological French preparation, and I had created the beautiful turd myself through high science and high spiritual purity, no surrogacy, rather a 3-day bespoke menu of what went in to have something so beautiful come out of my rather advanced in age machinery.

I was lovingly slicing my turd on the Grand Service George IV silver gilt plate when I felt a new turd coming out. I dropped the floor in panic and tears, clutching my first turd to my bosom, knowing I was losing my second turd. This reminded me of the time the meanies at DAVOS iced me out of an important conversion about world health and Hermes handbags, for which I had the greatest wisdom to share.

Sorry Scat Troll, You've run amok enough and have earned a rare ignore.

What makes the BP statement the rhetorical stiletto that it is-

What BP is intentionally leaving hanging in the air after, "...which we would not comment on," is, "However, as we see, the vulgar Duchess of Sussex would."

That's what put their statement in the Shade Hall of Fame. They imply. We infer.

Duchess Whoresides never suffered in silence a day in her life.

She needs to strip and squat over a giant mirror to see what an ugly cunt she is.

R230, I think I do know how F&Fing works since I've just given you another F&F. :-)

R78 Occams Razor in effect. I completely agree with you.

I wonder if Harry is attracted to Meghan because, unlike most of the British aristocrats he's been surrounded by throughout his life, she's all about ~*~feelings~*~

Maybe. What I heard is that she tosses salad.

[quote] Apparently she had her miscarriage in July of 2019, so when they were still in the UK.

Can that be right? July 2019? .She had Archie May 6, 2019. How did she get pregnant if she was nursing - I know it can happen but it's not common and if this date is correct then PULEEZE she was probably less than 6 weeks. That's just ridiculous to mourn that. She is a pathetic drama queen. And that pain she felt was nothing but a period cramp.

It takes a good year for your body to fully recover from a full term pregnancy. Everything is a bit out whack for a while including your immune system. Which makes your body not the healthiest host for a fetus. That was her body telling her to stop being an idiot.

It was in July 2020 for God's sake. Why are you morons making shit up?

Haha let's get all drippy mad because of a date misunderstanding. The grief for Muggins' zygote is overwhelming

I'm OK, thanks for caring.

The miscarriage was this past July, not July 2019. Otherwise, the court delay wouldn't have been necessary. She couldn't possibly have obtained a delay with unanimous agreement between Court and defendant. She would be 18 months out from the July 2019 date and would either have been well past it or already just about to give birth or just past giving birth to the second baby.

It was July 2020 and she is either in the early stages of pregnancy already and, at nearly 40 and just past a miscarriage, can rightfully assert that she cannot travel whilst pregnant or she might risk another miscarriage, or she is undergoing fertility treatments which are debilitating physically and if they have taken, she also risks another miscarriage before she even knows she's pregnant.

So she's been given nine months in which to deliver a second child safely. If she's already in the early stages of a third pregnancy, by next October she'll have an infant who can travel with her.

That is, if she doesn't drop the case. If she is granted Summary Judgement in January, case closed, issue gone. If she isn't granted Summary Judgement in January, she has time to consider whether it's worth continuing to fight this silly case out. If she isn't granted Summary Judgement, it also means that the Court believes that the defendant not only has an arguable case, but a potentially winnable case, and she would be even better advised not to pursue it.

She can always claim that she is now focussed on her growing family and her return to life in America, and wishes to put all this negativity behind her as she moves on.

That will also be a sign that she and Harry aren't rerturning to Britain or to anything resembling a "real" working relationship with the BRF.

I think Meghan added "aggravated damages" to her claim, though. I wonder if she is going to try to load emotional distress leading to her miscarriage onto ANL?

I think her strategy is to get partial SJ on the copyright claim. It will be spun by her PR as a complete victory and, sometime thereafter, she'll drop the rest of the case with a statement saying she's already won the moral victory and she doesn't want to subject her young, vulnerable mother friends or her dear but misguided father to any further proceedings.

I don’t know where else to post this but I’m reading the Lady Colin Campbell book. So far struck by two little details, the first being I love the name of Meghan’s grandfather’s antiques shop: ‘Twas New. So charming.

Second, Lady C, in mentioning Meghan’s nose job, adds that many if not most young Hollywood actresses have it done, including Elizabeth Taylor. Is that so? Young Liz had a nose job?

What does Harry do when they go to Doria's? It doesn't seem like they have much to talk about. I imagine Doria and Meghan go into the kitchen and the Royal Prince just sits in the lounge staring at the wall or watching telly.

My guess is that Meghan and Harry will give up the titles next year (probably for a private financial settlement from the BRF), and Harry will apply for American citizenship. That will guarantee lots and lots of positive publicity, and they can also subtly throw shade at the BRF as an outdated institution they no longer feel comfortable in. Meghan has only had the title for a couple of years, so she will gladly trade it for the publicity points. Harry will give it up in a final blaze of rebellion towards his family. He will bitterly regret his decision in about 10 years.

[quote] He will bitterly regret his decision in about 10 years.

Agreed.

If the Duke of Sussex relinquishes all titles and severs his place among the BRF, he'll regret it when age and wisdom come long. Maturing in your 40s and 50s comes with finally appreciating the worthy and significant; the things that last, where once, when younger, you valued getting yourself through an immediate situation on your own stupid terms.

I think a King Charles or King William will guard him from himself and just not grant him relinquishing his place and titles.

forgot to add- and after they deny him, he'll look back and appreciate it.

[quote]He will bitterly regret his decision in about 10 years.

Just one of many regrets on his plate!

[quote]My guess is that Meghan and Harry will give up the titles next year (probably for a private financial settlement from the BRF), and Harry will apply for American citizenship

Couple of things. First, I doubt the family will do this. They will want him to have an open door to return. At most I'd put money on no more open door to the military relationships or Commonwealth, what have you. The writing was on the wall after Remembrance Day. To strip the styles and titles would be going further than they want, in terms of unpleasantness (giving Her Royal Highness more grounds for complaint though sources say) and in terms of the future. They will have a solution mapped out for if he returns to the UK, either with our without her.

Second, I don't think he can surrender the title. The only way to renounce a hereditary title is to have done it (by the current legislation) around age 21. The sovereign can strip it, as the font of all honour and possibly involving parliament, but I think the best a title holder can do is elect not to use it and make it known he or she does not use it. But the title's been granted and used and they can't unprince him... he's a prince no matter what. However, he can make it known he will be known by the name Harry Mountbatten-Windsor.

I wonder what Princess Margaret and the Queen Mum would think of Kate and Meghan. They both died just before Kate and William started dating. They were both complete snobs, so I don't think either of them would approve of Kate becoming the future Queen, given her middle-class background. I think they would both despise Meghan, considering her a more cloying version of Diana. I also expect Wallis Simpson soured the Queen Mum's attitude towards Americans.

I don't think Kate and William would have happened if the Queen Mum had been alive. She was SUCH a snob. I think Margaret would have liked Kate just fine as long as Kate sufficiently kowtowed.

Did Susan Dey send her condolences?

[quote]Remember several months ago when everyone was under Covid quarantine and there was a picture of Haz and Meg getting into an SUV? Was that about the time that this happened?

Yes, the two of them were papped getting out of a gaz-guzzler in LA going to an "appointment" in July. There was wide-spread speculation in this thread that she was preggerz.

The Queen Mother was a commoner. This seems to escape everyone. An aristocrat is a commoner. A nonroyal duke is a commoner. The difference between being royal and being a commoner is jus that: there are royals and then there is everyone else, and Everyone Else includes aristocrats and hereditary peers.

The Queen Mother liked Sarah Ferguson (everyone liked her at first) who was marrying a Prince of the Blood and at that time fourth in line to the throne.

The Queen Mother only had one measure: is she good for the Firm? She would have reserved judgement on Kate but by now would have hailed Kate as perfection.

The Queen Mother would have spotted Meghan for the grifter she is from those early signs, and by last autumn would have been saying, "I told you so, but who listens to me?"

The Queen Mother by now would be kissing Kate's feet in Harrod's windows on a busy Monday morning, viewing her as the monarchy's Hope.

She would, on the other hand, be sticking pins into a poppet looking remarkably like Meghan at night where no one could see her.

#blackzygotesmatter

[quote]But the title's been granted and used and they can't unprince him... he's a prince no matter what. However, he can make it known he will be known by the name Harry Mountbatten-Windsor.

Oh he can be un-princed, by dictate of The Queen, should the spirit move her. The monarch has sole ability to grant or remove HRH and princely status at their whim and declaration. One of the last remaining vestiges of their ancient powers, still remaining.

Its the ducal title - the royal Sussex dukedom - that's more problematic. Its removal might require parliamentary intervention, and even it can only go into mothballs until Archie succeeds and eventually takes the title.

Isn't it the other way around? The Queen granted Harry is ducal title on his wedding day and can easily yank it, but he was born HRH Prince Harry and that would be harder to take?

*his ducal title

I wonder what would happen if she was forced to discuss a topic on the spot.

I wonder if Meghan misses wearing fancy dresses and fascinators...

'My guess is that Meghan and Harry will give up the titles next year (probably for a private financial settlement from the BRF), and Harry will apply for American citizenship'

Never going to happen.

I'm not so sure they would willingly give up their HRH and duke and duchess titles. They can't use "HRH," but it hasn't been officially stripped from them. Markle used "Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex" as her byline in The New York Times piece, so it doesn't look like she's ready to give it up the title when she could have just authored the piece as "Meghan Markle."

If they had any sense, they would give up the titles. They could go on a whole ex-Royal media tour and raise their profiles quite a lot. Rebranding as Harry and Meghan Windsor would save them from looking like pathetic hangers-on to an institution they don't want and that doesn't want them. Also, I bet they could wrangle a nice settlement out of HM in return for further distancing themselves from the BRF. It's a win-win, really.

The very last thing the Sussexes would do is relinquish their royal status.

"We'll always be royal. Harry and Archie have royal blood (suck on that, you peasants)." - HRH Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex

R316 Considering she never got the hang of wearing fancy dresses based on the hideous fit of her wardrobe, I’d venture no.

I’m still surprised that Meghan doesn’t refer to Harry as “The Dook.” You’ll have to pry the titles out of her cold, dead hands. She is such a hypocrite.

Of course, if Meghan and Harry had been really smart, they'd have turned down the Sussex title when they got married and headed straight for America. They would have ended up in the same place and with far less negative publicity. They'd also have had a good 18 months before COVID hit to establish their brand in America.

Meghan's signature outfit is shredded faded jeans, a white boyfriend shirt and a straw fedora hat.

Straight out of the 90s.

When she made that first appearance with Harry at the Invictus games, she had that outfit on. I remember being turned off by how tacky and downmarket she looked.

She's eventually going to have to accept reality. Outside of her cult following, she will never be popular or liked. She comes off as a phony, whiny, low-rent, opportunistic grifter. A social climber who got lucky. But luck eventually runs out. She's so full of herself that she can't see the train coming.

Oh and fuck you Harry for foisting this repugnant woman on the world.

[quote] She's eventually going to have to accept reality. Outside of her cult following, she will never be popular or liked. She comes off as a phony, whiny, low-rent, opportunistic grifter. A social climber who got lucky. But luck eventually runs out. She's so full of herself that she can't see the train coming.

So much for her assertions of “hitting the ground running” in her engagement interview. Ironically, she’s tumbled from the high (point) of her wedding down. Almost to the ground: sympathy porn in NYT for publicity purposes is pretty grotesque; especially in the midst of a global pandemic. Her tactics are low. But that’s what we’ve come to expect from her.

And she’s always doing runners; from (Trevor in) LA——>Toronto———>England——->Canada———->LA————>Montecito. She’s hit the ground running; just not in the manner hoped for.

[quote] Oh and fuck you Harry for foisting this repugnant woman on the world.

Most perceptive individuals had her number early on: from the false police report she filed in Toronto to using the BRF to land the Vanity Fair cover of “She’s Wild About Harry” pre-engagement or at the very least, her smug engagement interview where she steered Harry in his now familiar role as a hapless character.

He’s certainly not blameless in all this

They've been a fun soap opera (with no real consequences) amidst COVID and Trump.

I don’t know if this is true, but it’s good gossip.

They may be forced to give up "HRH" if they continue to live in the U.S. and do nothing for the queen and the U.K. Why should they be royal while living here and doing nothing to support the monarchy? They could possibly keep the duke and duchess titles, but even that seems excessive if they have nothing to do with the U.K. But the royal style nonsense needs to go.

Perhaps Harry could keep his title of prince since he was born as such, but Markle needs to go by Meghan Markle and nothing else.

[quote]Isn't it the other way around? The Queen granted Harry is ducal title on his wedding day and can easily yank it, but he was born HRH Prince Harry and that would be harder to take?

Actually no, although this thinking is understandable. The HRH/Prince status is easily yanked, the sitting monarch can remove these at anytime from anyone in the BRF with no cause or warning.

Control over the ducal title is more murky. The monarch has no control over non-royal ducal titles; however there is some debate on whether they might still retain some control over royal ducal titles issued during their own reign. "What I give I can take away" sort-of-thinking. It's an area yet to be tested.

Shortly after Megs moves on to her next mark, I envisage Ginger and Thomas Markle, sitting on the beach in Rosarito, knocking back a couple of cold brews, whinging, bitching . . . erm . . . informally reminiscing about being used, abused and excused by their respective “beloved” daughter and wife to a star-fucker “journalist” from one of the Brit media (Oprah would be a coup, but she’d decline).

Exclusive! His Royal Highness Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and Mr. Thomas Markle: She Done Us Horribly, Deplorably Wrong!!

It would be the interview of the decade.

While the Old Grey Lady has gone gossipier, it's nonsense that they'd rent out, or need to rent out, some of the most valuable real estate in the media world - space on their Op-Ed page.

Hate Markle, ridicule her, let the good times roll, but the problem with these threads is that they go off the rails to a degree where it's just not fun to read or post here.

If she divorced Harry she'd lose all her social currency, so it will never happen. She wouldn't be famous as the wife of some random rich guy.

Has this question been asked above?

How many fetuses did plain ol Meghan the ever aspiring actress have scraped out of her, in between a round of auditions for C and D list projects?

R313 - Yes. In fact, a petition was signed by enough people to warrant sending to Parliament demanding that the Harkles' titles be stripped. Parilament, who ever was speaking for Parliament, punted and replied that this was strictly a matter for the Queen.

The lines are a bit murky. Technically, the Queen is "the fount of all honour" and whatever it is in her power to give, she has the power to remove. She gave Harry the ducal title (it's his title, not Meghan's - she is allowed to use it as a courtesy but it is not "hers"; it is her husband's) and after Parliament refused to consider the petition (because they have nothing better to do with their time than to get involved in what is, at heart, a highly public yet private family squabble in the midst of a pandemic and economic devastation), the ball is back in HM's court, so to speak.

So, yes, it's clear that if Harry's ducal title, which carries an HRH with it automatically, even though he was born with one, is going bye-bye it will be left to the Queen to do it.

The HRH he was born with is another matter. He is automatically entitled to it with or without the Queen's approval, as he is a grandson of the Sovereign in the male line.

I'm sure HM doesn't want to open this can of worms and can't blame her - the fingers will instantly point to Andrew retaining his ducal title after being associated with a paedophile sex trafficker and subjecting the family to immense public embarrassment that cost him all future public roles, to the extent that he probably can't even be seen walking in to his first grandchild's christening next spring.

The way to go would be to negotiate with Harry re persuading him to renounce voluntarily all his royal titles at the "year end review", claiming moral high ground of preferring his children to be brought up in a "classless" society, filing for American citizenship, and acknowledging what most people suspect, anyway: his new life is in America. They aren't "splitting their time between North America and the UK". They've left, permanently.

Absent that, I doubt HM will want to get into these weeds, especially now with the UK obviously in crisis. It would look petty and shallow given the pandemic and economic fallout.

The other option is to keep ignoring them; keep them out of public family traditions (Scobie's assertions that they'll be back on the balcony of Buck House for the Trooping the Colour and attending Remembrance Day, Ascot, etc., is bullshit). They'd risk booing crowds.

The BRF may just feel with some justice that it's a not a terribly classy historical title, it didn't come with lands and a castle, its sheen is already wearing thin, and the best thing to do with Meghan and Harry is freeze them out politely and encourage them to stay where they are.

These twats are DONE and they are BAKED TO A CRISP if they furthermore lose royal titles.

I think the only way to remove his princely status would be to issue a new or amended Letters Patent, which would look deeply, deeply personal and the RF may gut you like a fish privately but they do very little publicly. I am not even convinced if it were happening now, that Wallis Simpson wouldn't get her HRH.

If she did a LP re. PH then there's the Prince Andrew mess. I bet they let it ride but what further distance can be made easily will be made.

Meantime, you'll all be relieved to know Joan Collins has weighed in (in the Telegraph.)

When Diana died, Collins ‘cried for three days’, she tells me, ‘because she represented youth and beauty and equality’. Does Dame Joan think she would have got on with her daughter-in-law, Meghan Markle? ‘Ha. The Meghan question. Well, if Meghan had upped and left the Royal family like she did, I don’t think that Diana would have liked that at all. Did we, the great British public, like it? No, it was very disappointing, because I think everybody thought that she was the next Princess Diana – and the future.’

It's kind of insightful in a way... did she disappoint and more, did she actually turn her back on the platform that could have got her closest to what she seems to want? I say close because she would have had to achieve the acclaim within the rules, but freed of the rules she seems to be forfeiting so much (if not eventually all, who knows?) of the acclaim. She's famous... but what affection, respect, admiration, regard will she enjoy in ten years? I don't think she's aiming to be the next Corinne Marrinan.

Here are some thoughtful points another poster made (from another thread):

[quote] I have no problem with grieving over loss of a six-week-old foetus. It you wanted the baby, I'm sure it's still a cause for sorrow. I have a problem with someone asserting there is some sort of taboo or stigma attached to it (there isn't), and presenting herself as some sort of "pioneer" encouraging the already far too ubiquitous idea that living your private life in public is a Good Thing when it is clear that she gladly parades her private life if she thinks it will improve her public image, and conflating a fairly common if unhappy experience with the murder of two adults by police. There is a lack of perspective here that the TIMES should be ashamed to allow.

[quote] I also take exception to Meghan, yet again, painting herself as somehow taken advantage of on that last tour. Tours are tiring and they are what working royals are supposed to do, and as she outline her "exhaustion" for ten days' worth of work, after which she could come home and take a month off in her five-bedroom home renovated at someone else's cost, and forgetting to mention that whilst on tour, she had a full staff to sustain her, including a nanny.

[quote] Anyone would think she'd been cooking, cleaning, shopping for groceries, as well as doing what is expected of all royals in exchange for their cushy lives and, oh yes, she had a baby with her. Charles and Diana took William on their first (and far longer and more exhausting) tour of Australia. You didn't hear Diana complaining of how tired she was from wearing all those beautiful clothes, waving to those immense adoring crowds, accepting all those bouquets from children, whilst going home at night to a 12-mont-old first child.

[quote] Meghan and Harry are shameless, as well as dishonest. Everything she said is a lie: the stigma doesn't exist, Britain has a Baby Loss Remembrance Week, other royals have gone on more demanding tours than that second-tier 10-day one (it didn't include a single state dinner involving gowns, toasts, tiaras, etc.), including with young children at home, and her miscarriage in the first trimester, whilst sad, is not a loss on a par with two adults murdered by police brutality.

[quote] I cannot get past her resurrecting that tour ending in one of the poorest countries in the world whilst a rich, privileged woman with a staff behind her and a nice long stay in a large home in a beautiful suburb a half-mile from Windsor Castle and a million or so worth of designer clothes in her closet complained about her lot in life.

[quote] The people of Botswana really don't have a choice. Meghan Markle actively and eagerly pursued a high-profile husband as she faced, at 35, professional oblivion. She got what she wanted, and then trashed it because it wasn't perfect, as if she were some sort of victim.

[quote] No wonder the BRF despise her.

[quote]It would be the interview of the decade.

I'm on it!

At this point the interview of the decade would, I think, be fatal to her reputation.

The time to tell all was when the break was fresh.

Now it would just look like a stunt. What purpose that's admirable could telling all serve now? None. Sour grapes and you couldn't hide it. It's been a year. They've moved on largely on their own terms and into the lap of luxury. They've got their mansion, they've got California, they've got Netflix. What more do they want that you can defend? To say anything negative about what they left behind now would be damaging.

Not that you could probably convince 50% of them of that.

I’m the poster upthread who is reading Lady Colin Campbell’s book now. I must say the writing is extremely artful. She goes out of her way to denounce racism at every turn and praise Meghan as a fashion icon/smart achiever, while also painting a picture of her as utterly incorrigible.

I'm still waiting for the interview or article where Harry points out that Meghan went up against the same dark forces who extinguished Diana's light...but Meghan beat them. And somehow Meghan has now redeemed Diana, and that Diana is now smiling down on Meghan as Meghan runs with Diana's legacy. (He'll be using the same flowery, trying-too-hard, word style that Meghan thinks makes her sound like a genius.)

He did say he'd walked a mile in her shoes.

Which I thought was disarming, as admissions of kink go.

Then again, the slave/mistress thing requires neither a bedroom nor nudity. He could do as told all the time.

R336

[quote] (Scobie's assertions that they'll be back on the balcony of Buck House for the Trooping the Colour and attending Remembrance Day, Ascot, etc., is bullshit).

Before letting Sparkle put a foot out on that balcony for any upcoming Trooping the Colour, The Princess Royal would knock MM on her ass and have the footman carry her away.

Given Anne's sublime and hilarious blocking of Sparkle's attempted positioning to put herself right over the Queen's shoulder and consequently in the photos and video of the balcony appearance, Anne would have no trouble upping her game if another attempt should be made.

One thing I don't credit Sparkle with is the courage of her convenience - erm, convictions. She doesn't have the balls to go where she could be booed. As it is, she'll be bricking it at any funeral she can't wiggle out of. She knows what she's about and she knows who's onto her, which in the UK is just about everybody except her husband and kid.

And give the kid time.

What exactly does "bricking it" mean, by the way? I've seen that expression my whole life and I get its meaning from context, but where does the "brick" come in? Thanks.

The more I look at pictures of Meghan the more funny looking she is. Her profile is a big swoop almost like a letter j or a fishhook. Why would you have a nose job and get that?

R347, a vulgarism linked to the production of bricks.

Sophie Wessex, Prince Edward's wife, nearly died on the floor of her home bleeding out when she was six weeks along with the couple's first baby. It was an ectopic pregnancy, Sophie had to be airlifted to hospital and spent three hours on the operating table. The couple were said to be very sad as they were longing to start a family.

Did you hear Sophie whingeing to the press about her loss, her grief, her agonising pain, her frantic husband for whom there wasn't room in the airlift, and who had to drive the 25 miles to the hospital alone, and then tell his parents about the event, as they hadn't even known Sophie was pregnant.

Sophie was also 36 at the time, so, like Meghan was starting late in the game, but lost the first one. Below is the heartfelt, brief, yet dignified statement Prince Edward made outside the hospital - remembering, of course, to thank the medical staff who had treated his wife. Compare the tone:

". . . Speaking haltingly outside the King Edward VII Hospital for Officers in Marylebone after spending an hour at the Countess's bedside, Prince Edward said: "It's obviously a very traumatic time and my wife has ... It's quite the most painful thing that anyone can undergo. It's a pretty traumatic experience. As the pain reduces, so the relief will increase."

Edward, looking tired and drawn, told waiting reporters he wanted to thank the hospital staff for their professionalism and care and the public for their concern and well wishes.

"The patient is still in a limited amount of discomfort and will be I imagine for some days," he said. "I want to add my thanks to all the medical team who have done a fantastic job and reacted so quickly and have handled things so professionally.""

Prince Edward is hardly the most compelling of the royals, but there he was facing a phalanx of press, but managing to be both sincere and dignified.

Every time Meghan opens her mouth, the nasty statement one of the bitchy girls makes to Muriel in "Muriel's Wedding": "You've - got - no - dignity - Muriel."

r329 Looks true to me as Chris Ship is a pretty decent good journalist.

Chris Ship has been in the Sussex corner for some time. He used to be thought of a decent journalist and on the Royal Rota, but he's sidled over to carrying the Sussex water for them, behind Tom Sykes and, of course, Omid Scobie.

Camilla Long has a blistering column up in the Telegraph on the endless Woke Agenda of painting women as victims of their biology - all whilst asserting, when convenient, that there is no such things as gender, you can just ignore biology when you feel like it.

15 October is Baby and Pregnancy Loss Remembrance Day, I believe in both Britain AND America.

So much for that "shame and stigma" Meghan insists exists and therefore needs her to root it out.

r300, he just goggles at Doria because he never did see a black woman before. He told us how he grew up in London and we may think it is a diverse city but it really isn't. ( that will be like all the palace staff and army colleagues that he never saw but only insulted.)

r347, we used to say shitting bricks but bricking it became more the fashionable phrase.

Also "built like a brick shithouse", that refers to the outdoor lavvy, but means a big and burly man.

Would Diana have looked something like this if she had lived?

So Sophie survived a traumatic miscarriage and then Louise's birth was a red alert. Only her son was a typical delivery. But poor Meg.

R356, not if Botox had anything to say about it.

'Did you hear Sophie whingeing to the press about her loss, her grief, her agonising pain,'

She must have said something or you would not be talking about it in such detail. How come it's okay for Replikate to talk about her miscarriage from years ago but not Meghan to talk about hers from this year?

R356, that reminds me of this magazine cover from 2011. So creepy that they photoshopped her next to Kate. One of the few advantages of dying young should be that people don't see what you would look like when you're old, yet Diana didn't even get that.

There's no way Di would have kept that dykey haircut into the 21st century when everyone had long straight hair.

When did Sophie "whinge?" Poster clearly described Edward talking to the press at the hospital. Sophie almost died.

Meanwhile Marrkle equated the loss of her zygote with Breonna Taylor and George Floyd. Three tragedies.

"Holding my husband's clammy hands and kissing his knuckles wet with his tears. As I lay in my hospital bed wondering how we'd heal."

It's right out of a Harlequin romance novel. Sorry about the lost fetus; I'm sure it was traumatic at the time--and maybe even now. But the writing and fishing for attention and sympathy is nauseating.

I'm still baffled by why this is was NYT column and not a post on Narratively.com or something.

Meghan really did miss her calling as a romance writer. She could've come up with something less insipid than Twilight.

Markle is so up her own ass she thinks her early weeks miscarriage is worthy of NYT oped. The joke is really on the Times for publishing it and famewhoring.

She paid to place the op-ed in the NYT, according to Chris Ship. He didn't say how much.

R355 - The TIMES has lost most of its former prestige and credibility since it took on a black Executive Editor who switched the paper's focus to seeing everything through the lens of race.

The ironies of the paper billing someone as a "feminist" who lists herself as Meghan The Duchess of Sussex probably didn't escape at least a few at the TIMES, nor her painting herself as "exhausted" after doing all of ten days' worth of work surrounded by staff and staying in luxury accommodations all the way through, and conflating her miscarriage with two full-out instances of race-based police brutality.

But since she's got a famous name through her borderline idiot husband, and her Mum is black, and she slipped in the TIMES' particular social pet, racism and BLM, the paper pushed all other considerations (including its own integrity, and not for the first time in the last couple of years) aside.

It has, already, gotten quite a bit of backlash, not least Camilla Long's quite on point article in The Telegraph (it has a paywall through which you now cannot even see headlines any longer without subscribing, so cannot post a link).

Someone on another blog opined that the piece was meant to accomplish two things: 1) stop the slide of Meghan's deteriorating public image, especially in Britain, through her favourite ploy, the Pity Card, and 2) try to egg on the BRF to make a public statement in support of her through her Trial of Woe, and failing the appearance of said statement, yet again make the BRF appear cold and unfeeling.

The BRF is continuing to decline any and all comment since pre-election, when it stated that any comments Harry makes now politically are strictly his own, as he no longer represents the BRF, and to comment that the arrangement about handing over Frogmore Cottage was strictly a matter between the two couples.

In declining all the bait (think that Remembrance Day fiasco) and refusing to be drawn, the BRF is making it clear that they have washed their hands of the Sussexes. The Queen will bend a little to help her grandson save face (the Harkles neither own nor can they sublet FC, only the Queen's approval would have made the switch possible).

One issue has not been raised: as Meghan is very likely pregnant again (hence the quickly granted nine-month delay in the trial), and has been granted a delay so as NOT to travel to the UK, her second child will NOT be born in Britain. The granting of the delay and the surrender of FC means that the couple will not be travelling back to Old Blighty to ensure the child's birth on English soil, and will therefore be viewed as even less a part of the BRF.

Because they won't even have their own home to bring the new baby back to, unless they're planning to kick the Brooksbanks, also with a new baby at home in FC and having moved their possessions in, out after less than a year in possession . . .

I assume the new baby will also have dual citizenship by birth. But there won't be any family christening at Windsor this time, unless they wait till Meghan returns in October for the trial).

The two milestones coming up that would point a direction is: 1) whether the Court grants Meghan Summary Judgement in January (I'm on the fence about chances for that) which would mean no trial and no travel necessary except at will so no need for a "home" to return to, and 2) the "Year End Review" at end March, early April, which will clarify whether the "arrangement" continues and if so, under what circumstances.

Has anyone heard about updates on Doria’s shady cash only, concierge elder care company? I forgot what the name was, something cringeworthy and fake caring.

Believe it or not, the company is called "Loving Kindness...." r369.

Did she really pay for that NYT piece?

^^^That's what Chris Ship, a RR, tweeted.

Are you sure the concierge company is a cash only business? I didn't see that on their website. I did notice private pay which means that it's out of pocket for the clients or reimbursed by privately obtained insurance like Medicare supplemental plans. Though I'm pretty sure that they don't cover a concierge service. My parents' supplemental Blue Shield only covered in home nursing care for a limited period of time, not the social work aspects a concierge does. Regardless, it's for people with means.

Chris Ship never said they paid to place the piece. Whatever shady business the NYT indulges in, it doesn't disguise ads as editorial and when it does run native advertising, it follows industry guidelines..

Meghan is loathsome enough without engaging in fantasy.

Chris Ship never said they paid to place the piece. Whatever shady business the NYT indulges in, it doesn't disguise ads as editorial and when it does run native advertising, it follows industry guidelines..

Well, note it was published on Thanksgiving, so maybe that's considered a slow news day. If it stays up, it got clicks. At least it's better than reading yet another column about how loathsome & treacherous the repigs are.

Whatever the case, it was self-indulgent tripe designed to inoculate the Harkles from criticism by (trying to) make them sympathetic. It didn't work - they seem as silly & ridiculous as ever.

Duchess Whoresides is not happy unless she can drag everyone DOWN to her level.......

[Quote]it doesn't disguise ads as editorial and [bold]when it does run native advertising, it follows industry guidelines.[bold/]

Could you explain the second part for us non-journo, non-industry types?

[Bold] sorry about bold continuance..

Are you OK? [/bold]

Just trying to un-bold.

Guess it worked.

I thought that the NYT was obliged to change the font for the pay-for-play articles.

What Is Native Advertising?

Native advertising is the use of paid ads that match the look, feel and function of the media format in which they appear.

Native ads are often found in social media feeds, or as recommended content on a web page. Unlike display ads or banner ads, native ads don't really look like ads. They look like part of the editorial flow of the page. The key to native advertising is that it is non-disruptive - it exposes the reader to advertising content without sticking out like a sore thumb

Ohm for fuck's sake - The NY Times doesn't have to, nor does it offer, its Op-Ed page for ads nor did they accept money from Markle to publish her essay on the Op-Ed page.

The published it because they decided to publish it. Face it, haters.

Be satisfied with the varsity level shade of the BP response.

Sheesh.

Ohm for fuck's sake - The NY Times doesn't have to, nor does it offer, its Op-Ed page for ads nor did they accept money from Markle to publish her essay on the Op-Ed page.

The published it because they decided to publish it. Face it, haters.

Be satisfied with the varsity level shade of the BP response.

Sheesh.

Ohm- Oh

R364, because the greatness that was the NYTs is dead. It is now the paper of record for woke, SJW, narrative journalism. I cannot understand how millions believe anything the A section. I understood it was propaganda during the lead up to the Iraqi war back in early aughts. There were huge protests in NYC and DC that I went to that the MUTs either ignored, minimized or disparaged. There were millions of people at these protests. Now the NYTs bullshit is so obvious just by the headlines on A1 that it is no longer fun to decipher what is being promoted. Now it is race and "injustice" 24/7. Every article has these bents. Millions lap it all up and live on false outrage.

And, with unfailing predictability, Harry has made another public statement re climate change, mentioning "the parched earth" and people functioning "like raindrops" returning something for everything "we take" from the earth . . .

whilst living in one of the most parched, drought-stricken areas of America (water has always been an issue in California, if you remember the film "Chinatown"), where he bought a huge, $14 million home with SIXTEEN BATHROOMS and NINE BEDROOMS and a large POOL - for a family that will by his own declaration stop at . . . FOUR people. I believe it has a guest house, as well.

So his wife can fulfill her dream of LIVING LIKE A STAR in Hypocrisy Central.

No matter what they do, they put their feet in their mouths, exhibiting massive hypocrisy and tone-deafness. Naturally, no one else in the conversation had the balls to ask him about those 16 loos and the "parched earth".

Another poster on one of these threads described Harry as "an unlettered buffoon". I have yet to come across a better description.

I think he's an idiot and idiot would be a step up for her, but in fairness, what climate advocate could pass the hypocrisy test? The world only listens to celebrities and celebrities live like celebrities.

I do wish he'd stop using florid words he doesn't understand when he's saying stuff. Or find a better speechwriter than that talentless wife and her thesaurus.com app.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote]Harry's godmother Lady Celia Vestey has died suddenly.

It’s because she ran her heater all night long. If she had just bought heavier blankets and a hot water bottle. Mother Earth is groaning at the rape committed by Lady Celia Vestey.

R389 - Lord, the Queen's "crowd" and to a certain extent, Charles' as well, are dropping like flies.

Whilst the Queen and Philip go on like Eveready Bunnies.

Lady Vestey was younger than Charles.

Average life expectance for males in the UK is 79.9 years. Charles is 72. If the Queen gets to 100, as her mother did, Charles will have reached that limit, and Britain will be looking at an 80 year old doddering King and one whose popularity is far exceeded by his Heir and by William's consort.

Charles and the Queen are fools. For the benefit of the future of the monarchy, she should step aside at 95 next year before Charles' ascension does more harm than good.

One can only imagine the furore, though, if Charles doesn't outlive the Queen, and William comes into immense influence as Prince of Wales and likely King sooner than anticipated.

Especially in Montecito.

The Queen is doing the monarchy no favours by clinging on.

There is scuttlebutt in royal circles that Liz will make Charles the Regent.

She's turning him into a Dodge?

I'd still lay even money on HM outliving Charles and passing the throne directly to her popular grandson and granddaughter-in-law. It would be the best thing, really.

William may only be PoW for a very short time. In fact, if Charles were to die and HM made William regent, they might not bother with a PoW investiture ceremony. They'd probably save that for when George turns 21.

Can you imagine Meghan's fury and when that happens R394?

She'll be out in the garden digging up the roses and chopping down trees.

"Archie!!!! Bring me the ax!!!"

I can't even imagine how many miscarriages she'd have to have to turn the spotlight back on her.

Climate change is such a boring topic. Sorry, but it's true.

The Queen and Prince Philip will spend a quiet Christmas at Windsor. Charles and Camilla will be at Highgrove. No word on the Cambridges. If I had to guess, I think they'll be at Anmer Hall on the Sandringham estate.

Given how old HM and the DoE are, it's rather sad about a potentially last Christmas for either with no family around. The rules do allow up to three households to get together between 23 and 27 December (last I checked - they keep changing it), but there is the matter of staff.

The Cambridges have spent most of the lockdown at Anmer, but I wonder if they'll be the sole household to keep the Queen and DoE company at Christmas?

But, then, Eugenie and Jack are now in Frogmore Cottage. Perhaps it is they who will keep the HM and Philip company at least on Christmas Day, and head to church with them. It's not as if HM doesn't have a dining room table long enough to keep everyone well apart for a Christmas lunch.

Then the Cambridges can keep the side up in Norfolk, and head to church at St Mary Magdalene, and as each unit heads to church, they can provide snaps for the plebs.

'The published it because they decided to publish it. Face it, haters.'

Exactly. These tinhats who insist her 'team' pay for every article we read about her are ridiculous. They act as if there is zero public interest in her, whilst following every move she makes and typing reams about it on here.

'It's still only got about 400 comments.'

That's because the comments are moderated to stop racist right wingers like you spewing vitriol.

Oh Harry today with his climate change message. He looks soooo petulant constantly. I really wish someone would clean his clock and knock that ugly chip off his shoulder. And you can bet Markle is growing tired of his inferior intellect and having to organize him all the time. You know she only wants to focus on herself. Doesn't need the distraction. Soon enough she won't bother and it will be obvious to everyone but her husband.

Fuck that fucking racist Maradona for trivializing Meghan's miscarriage with his death. His racist fans could have waited a few days to mourn.

R403 Tell ‘em, Harry!

R403 - You're either our very own beloved KGT or doing a very good sardonic impersonation of her.

Meghan is going to keep out of sight for awhile given that she just got that court delay on the basis of a delicate condition that warrants rest and peace in order not to risk another miscarriage, especially given that she's eight months from turning forty.

Also, California right now is being absolutely ravaged by COVID; it's one of the worst spots in America right now.

The comments after articles in MSM on Harry's staggering hypocrisy talking about raindrops and water from a mansion in parched CA with 16 loos have been beyond brutal.

Americans, of course, are lapping it up. But Britons aren't.

On the scale of intellect, MM is just one rung (okay, maybe two if we're being generous) above Dimwit, r402. How else could someone near the twilight of her mediocre 'acting' career manage the on-going PR and lawsuit "car crash" going on in California as badly as her?

What Americans r405? She's being soundly ignored by 99.9% of the population here. Did you forget we invented Hollywood? We have thousands of Meghan Markles here. Its the Brits who were easily fooled by her obvious schtick.

She's worse than Poosey when it comes to stealing other people's work.

"I clutched her tightly and cried into her. As I tenderly held my firstborn in my arms, I was saying goodbye to my third." excerpt from Chasing Light:Finding Hope Through the Loss by Stefanie Tong. Sound familiar?

[quote] The Queen is doing the monarchy no favours by clinging on.

I don't think the Queen believes she has a choice. This is her duty and it ends with her death.

Aside from loving his granny, the longer she lasts, the longer the Cambridges get to have a semi-normal life. Once he's the Prince of Wales...yep.

"I clutched her tightly and cried into her. As I tenderly held my firstborn in my arms, I was saying goodbye to my third." excerpt from Chasing Light:Finding Hope Through the Loss by Stefanie Tong. Sound familiar?

Yes, it does...being a silly drama queen is one thing, but plagiarism, particularly when it's so easy to catch these days - that could result in some real blowback

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Harry is sounding a bit "untethered"...he's entitled to his opinion, though when I read this, my first thought was the DM/UK tabs were going to have a field day with this one..

LONDON — Britain’s Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex, has suggested that the global health crisis may have been sent from Mother Nature in a bid to force people to question their treatment of the planet after years of neglect and abuse and the growing threat of climate change.

“Somebody said to me at the beginning of the pandemic, ‘It’s almost as though Mother Nature has sent us to our rooms for bad behavior, to really take a moment and think about what we’ve done,’”

I wish the press would very publicly call her out on her repeated plagiarism. I think she's annoying and dumb, but I don't really have a major bone to pick her with her other than her egregious plagiarism.

I wonder if someone has run the letters to her father through plagiarism software?

R407 - Not for long, we weren't. Nor was the BRF. They were caught between a rock and a hard place.

And the TIMES is still, don't ask me why, the nation's "paper of record". She got lots of worshipful comments for that drivel she was allowed to submit because of who she married.

It didn't last long, and I doubt that over the long-term Americans will be endlessly enchanted by her, but it worked well enough to get her the Netflix deal, articles in the TIMES' Op Ed page, and a $14 million mansion in Montecito.

I'd say North America has been quite kind to Meghan's ambitions, allied as they are to zero talent for anything but self-promotion. Britain, on the other hand, now (when it bothers to think about her) rates her very, very low. They left the field to William and Kate after realising they couldn't beat them.

Now, America will be the source of their endless self-aggrandisement, their "epic programming", their endless Holier Than Thou pronouncements . . .

Talk to me when they can't get American audiences to watch their "inspiring programmes that unlock action".

Then we'll know how much America ignores them.

R412 - That remark by Harry about COVID being Mother Nature's punishment for Sins Against the Earth was an offence to every person who lost a loved one or friend in this pandemic, and an apology should be called for.

He is just sooooo fucking dumb and sooooo fucking stupid. Does he think the Black Death in the 14th century was also a punishment by Mother Nature, as it swept in devastating not only Europe but Asia?!

He never looks things up, he does no research, neither does his new and I'm sure very expensive PR team.

Every time one of them opens his or her mouth, their feet end up inside.

Someone should tell Harry to be careful when making sweeping generalizations such as "Mother Earth is...." One could say Mother Earth took your baby out of Meghan's womb because Mother Earth knew you were bad parents.

Hopefully Stefanie Tong or her rep will speak up. It's hilarious that MM is suing the DM for copyright infringement.

Someone should tell Harry to be careful when making sweeping generalizations such as "Mother Earth is...." One could say Mother Earth took your baby out of Meghan's womb because Mother Earth knew you were bad parents.

I agree; for whatever point he was trying to make regarding the environment, those types of statements come across as blaming victims and some sort of karmic punishment rather than cause/effect of viruses.

This point has been made several times, but it seems worth repeating: the forces in the BRF that Harry viewed as oppressive were clearly trying to protect him from himself & his own foolish delusions. Which is not to say the BRF isn't a mess, but they do apparently know an idiot when they see one.

It will all end in tears and recriminations.

What a weird occupation, to sit in your mansion and make videos of low production value, of yourself lecturing the world.

I agree with a lot of Harry and Meghan's politics, but they are so tone-deaf and overprivileged that every word out of their mouths is like nails on a chalkboard.

The first clue I had that Meghan's OpEd was embellished was when she mentioned changing Archie's diaper...please. Also no one feeds the cleans up and makes breakfast before getting the baby. No one. About the only thing true in her little fiction is that she miscarried.

[quote]About the only thing true in her little fiction is that she miscarried.

Are we sure about that? I mean, maybe a doctor said she did, but doctors have been known to fabricate facts in the past.

They're stirring some kind of Revolutionary passion in me that has laid dormant in my bones for centuries- a fucking prince of England CANNOT COME TO AMERICA AND BEHAVE LIKE THIS.

He needs to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up before we tar and feather him and ship him back, or worse.

Everytime is see 'Frogmore Cottage' written, I can't help but think of 'frottage'.

Frottage Cottage

The TIMES (UK) has a hilarious piece up today by Giles Coren, taking the piss out of Harry for his absurd "raindrop" speech earlier this week. The TIMES has a paywall, so I'll just post the link and the first two paragraphs, and anyone who can get behind the paywall is welcome to put it up here.

"Hey you, Professor Harry, get off of my cloud

The royal scientist has proved we’re all raindrops but will the higher-ups in the sky lord it over the common muddy ones? Giles Coren Friday December 04 2020, 5.00pm GMT, The Times

It has been a huge week for science in this country. First, the British founder of DeepMind, Demis Hassabis, described how video games led him to the realisation that artificial intelligence can predict the folding pattern of proteins. Then Britain became the first western country to approve a coronavirus vaccine.

And then, then… oh my God… as if Einstein had busted relativity on the very same day that an apple fell on Sir Isaac Newton’s head and Archimedes ran naked down the street shouting “Eureka!”, there came this stunning solution to the greatest scientific problem facing the world today, from no less a voice than Professor Harry Wales, senior fellow in environmental biology at the University of Windsor at Frogmore . . ."

If the reference to one of the Stones' big hits of the 1960s escapes some of you children, just ask, or search YouTube for Mick and the band playing, "Hey, you, get off of my cloud!"

Giles Coren...the one who broke the Rose Hanbury story, which is now reputed to be true, not some lie concocted by MM. Apparently Rose accompanied PW on an overseas trip.

bullshit r429. it was some meg fan from Utah or some such that made it up and she admitted it.

[Quote]Professor Harry Wales, senior fellow in environmental biology at the University of Windsor at Frogmore . .

LMAO

R429, how dare William completely abandon his family, his duty, his country for that scandalous woman.

... wait, which brother was that?

Have you ever noticed for many of these epic pronouncements he’s now fronting it. So he gets the backlash. It’s kind of funny. Not only will he be estranged from his family now he’ll be estranged from public. Really nowhere else to go. Good strategy.

Coren admitted he lied about Rose, Rose.

Harry is similar to Andrew in that when you are surrounded by sycophants from birth, you become very confident that everything you say is brilliant and the whole world just loves to hear your opinion. Frankly he’s just embarrassing himself at this point.

From CDAN..you decide October 14, 2019

Over the years, I have told you how difficult it is to get really good royal gossip. That is, of course before the alliterate one came along. She has so many friends who are always willing to talk. The royal pedophile has an offspring living in the States, so gossip can be gained through that branch too. Except for that, there really has not been a way to get gossip on anyone else unless they encountered someone who was willing to share. The royals themselves were not sharing. Over the past year, the alliterate side has tried to spill whatever tea they can about the "other half" of the family. The thing is though, because of the wide divide between the two halves there has not been much interesting to share. For this blind, the tip took nearly six months before it finally broke free from the alliterate side and it is a good one. In the spring there was a mini-split between the one closer to the throne and his wife. The reason was well documented. It was such a rough split that the wife chose to cancel all her events that had been scheduled for a trip with her husband and he was to go alone. Oh, he traveled alone alright, but he didn't stay alone. The person that was at the center of the mini-split was there the entire time. The tip that made its way over to the alliterate side and eventually out to me and to you didn't include whether the wife knew about it or not. It was only about 5 weeks after the trip, that the person in question also showed up a very big event which both the husband and wife attended.

Meghan Markle/Prince Andrew/Princess Beatrice/Prince William & Kate/Rose Hanbury

I can only imagine the discussions going on to make sure that Charlotte and Louis avoid the Curse of the Spare

R436 I call bullshit on this one - I have no trouble believing that William would have a mistress or dozen, but I don’t believe he would ever split from Kate.

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[quote] I'd still lay even money on HM outliving Charles and passing the throne directly to her popular grandson and granddaughter-in-law. It would be the best thing, really.

Not for me, it wouldn't!

Perfect job for Harry, really. Doesn't take much brains and you don't have to work too often.

God, the Rose Hanbury thing is so tired. William and Kate will NEVER divorce. Even if they do have an open marriage (like many of their aristo friends), they're both smart enough not to throw tantrums about each other's side pieces. That's the whole point of an open marriage.

The Kate trolls will beat the Rose Hanbury story to death because it's all they've got. Nicole Cliffe is the real perp behind leaking the story, and she had connections to Meghan. Coren removed that initial Tweet about the affair faster than a speeding bullet. There is not a single iota of "proof" other than gossip of the affair, any more than there is of Meghan having used a surrogate and wearing a moonbump for 8 months. There is no "established" proof.

Kate doesn't strike me as an Open Marriage type. And with her and William's popularity soaring in the UK whilst Harry's and Meghan's goes on sinking like a stone, everyone knows where the future of the monarchy lies. There will be no divorce unless William is found molesting his own daughter in Harrod's windows on a busy Monday morning.

What's driving the Kate trolls-Meghan stans crazy is how well Kate is doing, her impressive Five Before Five and Hold Still projects and how well received they were, and her exemplary behaviour through the pandemic. During the same time, the Sussexes went on pulling embarrassing PR stunts that backfires (the L.A. cemetery fiasco, Harry's now legendary "Raindrops" speech, Meghan's admission that she did sort of collude with the authors of "Finding Freedom", the plagiarism bent appearing yet again in that dreadful, whingeing, dishonest piece in the TIMES where she doubled down on the infamous Are you OK? meme).

16 loos, 9 bedrooms, a guest house, a pool, one of the most water-deprived areas in North America, and Harry has the gall to utter the words "parched earth"?! And to opine that the dead of COVID are paying Mother Nature's price for offending her?!

And revealing to the faux Greta Thunberg that he didn't know he was related to the Romanovs?!

The Sussexes just keep cocking it up and all Meghan's stans can do is scream, "Rose! Rose! Rose!"

How can you take people like this seriously?

Rose's husband David is the 7th Marquess of Cholmondeley. He is the former Viscount Malpas and Earl of Rocksavage as well as being the current Lord Great Chamberlain of the UK. For social reasons he needed a wife and Rose took the position, which includes being mistress of one of the grandest homes in England. He spends most of his time in Paris while she mostly stays in the UK.

^ I left out the most important sentence of r444. The Marquess is widely assumed to be gay.

R444 - No wonder Meghan helped spread the rumour. She probably resents Rose for having hooked a richer man as much as she hated Kate for hooking a future richer man and King.

All she got was a sixth in line, destined to end his life somewhere around 13th, who had to get most of his money from Papa and was really only pulling in a cash income of 300,000 from the trust fund, on which Harry also had to pay taxes.

Meghan probably hated them all, including Harry's friends. They all had grander homes, she knew she'd never really be one of them, in a way I can imagine her looking around and thinking, "I wanna go home where I know the game and the game knows me."

That house in Montecito is Meghan's "Fuck you" to Anmer Hall, Apt 1A in Kensington Palace, Rose Hanbury's grand estate, Harry's landed gentry pals the von Straubenzees (thank God the older brother divorced Melissa Percy, daughter of the Duke of Northumberland, before Harry met Meghan - can you imagine the double dates?!), etc.

I think talk of them returning is ridiculous. Meghan doesn't want to go back to all that. She only wants to hang onto the aura it gave her to wear.

I'd never seen the Marchioness (Rose Hanbury) before, so I'm very surprised to see that this "former model" and "beauty" is such a chinless wonder. Even Kate is prettier.

Hanbury looks like an English Shelly Duvall.

She has very big boobs. Lots of men love that.

The problem with the open marriage concept for the Cambridges is that, while William might be all for it from his side, he would loathe the idea of Kate being with any other man. I mean, this is his type, non?? If he were on the bi- spectrum in any way (like Tony Snowdon) it could possibly work, but even there, I am not sure Tony was all that jazzed about Margaret having a free-for-all, even when he didn't want her. So I call bullshit on open marriage. Affair? Possibly, but William knows he would PAY for that...big time. Step out once? Maybe, but then never again.

A lot of aristocratic wives of a previous generation put up with their husbands philandering as long as hubby was relatively discreet. No idea if Kate is that old-fashioned, though. I suspect not.

And yes, Tony Snowden could be very jealous. In the Margaret bio I read, he flipped out over her affair with one of their friends and insisted she end it. Why she agreed I have no idea, since he fucked anything that threw a shadow.

R446 I am laughing at your comment:

"All she got was a sixth in line, destined to end his life somewhere around 13th, who had to get most of his money from Papa and was really only pulling in a cash income of 300,000 from the trust fund, on which Harry also had to pay taxes."

This proves that Megs' ego rules all. She would have been exceptional as the gold digger who hooked a monied Baron or something, and never had to explain or defend any choices to public. But, nope, not good enough for Meghan! She wanted the prize that came with public-facing self-aggrandizement.

Wow, Markle's pain and grief has gotten quite a lot of responses.

She is a light in the world, R453. What were you expecting? Meh?

Ross is also smart and sweet. And big boobs. People like her. She has never been accused of being an ostentatious gold digger.

^ Rose

Yeah, she's a regular Tits McGee, Rose.

[quote]I'd never seen the Marchioness (Rose Hanbury) before, so I'm very surprised to see that this "former model" and "beauty" is such a chinless wonder.

Her talent is giving a dirty Sanchez behind Sainsburys.

'What's driving the Kate trolls-Meghan stans crazy is how well Kate is doing, her impressive Five Before Five and Hold Still projects and how well received they were, and her exemplary behaviour through the pandemic'

First I've heard of any of these. She's completely lacking Meghan's charisma and eloquence, and is a crap public speaker. No way on earth could insipid Cathy have worked as a film and tv actress.

As I understand it Kate came from a stable family and is a grounded person, so no way would she have wanted to.

Rose looks a lot more sensual than dried up Kate.

So people from a 'stable family background' can't be actors, huh? Did you time travel here from the 1800s? And they can't do any other kind of jobs except be a housewife? Because that's all that Kate has managed.

Aww poor megstan, laboring under the mistaken impression that Sparkles and Catherine exist in the same universe.

Oh wait, Kate did have ONE other job! She worked on a yacht as a deckhand/high class escort the summer of her 19th year.

^ this is best Megantoinette can muster?

Hey, skip to the 2:00 mark and let’s watch the B team flounder!

For such a great actress she sure can’t play a duchess.

Kate is a faaaaar better actress than Meghan.

I’m not even that into Kate, but in their joint appearances (last Christmas walk, Trooping, etc.), Kate looks far more professional than the so-called actress.

I’ve watched some of Meghan’s tv appearances, and find her acting appalling: she does not seem to know how to inhabit a character.

No surprise though. She was unable to function as a royal as well.

In addition to her poor acting and royaling, she appears inauthentic and devious.

Just all around incompetent.

The difference is simple. Kate is the Duchess of Cambridge.

The Duchess of Sussex is starring Meghan Markle, B actress

[quote]Hey, skip to the 2:00 mark and let’s watch the B team flounder!

Hilarious to see the equerry jump in to remind Harry and Megs that they're nobody's, and then usher them to the next meeting spot with Meghan trying to walking ahead of the senior royals into then next room. Harry knows the drill and stops to let the seniors go ahead, but Megs practically has to grabbed by the collar, lol

Meghan Markle has no charisma. If she had any, she would have been more than a D list actress at age 35. As for eloquence, I suppose if one is poorly read, her word salads, always partially lifted from elsewhere, would impress.

We talked about that footage at R465 in one of the long-lost Dangling Tendrils threads. Meghan and Harry try to push themselves into the room to examine the PoW artifacts on the table (and get themselves in all the footage and pictures being taken), even though only HM and Philip, Charles and Camilla, and William and Kate were supposed to do that.

Harry & Meghan were NOT supposed to be there. You can tell that by watching Charles' confused body language when he sees them standing by the door, ready to put themselves into the pictures. The Sussexes were supposed to join the other members of the family and the public in the next room. and, if you listen closely, you can tell that it's actually William who tells them 'not allowed' when they try to press forward to join the others at the table. Then a couple of equerries come hustling over and whisk the Sussexes into the next room while the senior royals go to the table as they were meant to do, but now all looking immensely uncomfortable. One more stunning example of Meghan just refusing to understand how the protocol works. Harry had even less excuse for that behavior--he grew up with the protocol.

If she had any sense, she would've found a Real Housewives type husband. She's at least as pretty as those messes.

If she had any sense, she would've found a Real Housewives type husband. She's at least as pretty as those messes.

In that footage, you can tell she's pissed. She sits there making that tense, entitled face, blinking rapidly and pointedly.

She understands protocol, she just doesn't think it should apply to her. Especially when there is a chance to be photographed.

For all of her undeniable ambition, her resume is shockingly slim. Plenty of actresses have gotten farther with less.

Did she audition regularly? Or was she expecting to get fame and fortune simply from PR promotion?

Meghan is a homely creature. Giant five head, ski slope nose, fish hook mouth, sparse brittle hair, barrel shaped wide midsection with no waist, set on top on wheelchair legs. She lacks charisma and talent, can't write or speak to save her life, and only got acting "work" through her dad and her ex. Watch her on TV, she's so bad you just cringe in embarrassment. All their TV specials in the U.S. tanked in the ratings and were beaten by reruns that's how little interest she generates here.

Hilarious to see the equerry jump in to remind Harry and Megs that they're nobody's, and then usher them to the next meeting spot with Meghan trying to walking ahead of the senior royals into then next room. Harry knows the drill and stops to let the seniors go ahead, but Megs practically has to grabbed by the collar, lol

That was very weird & awkward; who feels bad for the equerry who has to corral those two so the procession can pass? And Meghan does have a very antsy agitated look on her face, though to her credit, that dress is gorgeous.

Due to moments like that, the BRF probably breathes a sigh of relief that those two are inflicting their drama queen antics on the Americans, who are in the middle of such chaos they barely notice those two.

Side note: wow does Kate look skinny - just an observation, not a criticism, but she looks like a stick in that video

Markle is overdressed in that jump the line clip. TQ is wearing a small jacket or swester and Kate a simple silk dress. Meanwhile here comes the people's duchess in a metallic cocktail/evening get-up and a big ladder in her tights. She had her agenda!

I’m no fan of Markle but if you watch the video, William seems to understand protocol (although I am unable to hear him say ‘not allowed’), but he didn’t show much interest going to the table and looking at the war artifacts. Even Kate realized she had to approach the table and feign interest. Camilla didn’t seem to care much talking and turning around when she should have been observing. Charles showed some interest, but only because he was escorting his mother and was at her side. The only one who showed genuine interest was the queen.

The equerry made sure the Markles got nowhere near the table (although the table stop was so brief and William barely looked at it), but nonetheless H&M were still whisked away from it and had to wait at the next doorway before entering the public room.

R470 - That incident went viral and was one of the most embarrassing pieces of eye-witness evidence of Meghan's real ambitions, in your face bitchiness, and sense of self-entitlement.

She understood the protocol perfectly well. She decided to try to defy it and dare the BRF to make a scene and push her out of the way. What she didn't count on, was that the senior royals didn't have to, they have well-trained staff for that, and all she did (for the umpteenth and not the last time) was make herself look bad and get hustled out of the way, anyway - leaving behind a public record of her greediness for status and position.

Because being there at all with an HRH and royal ducal title attached to her name just - wasn't - enough for the former Suitcase Girl on "Deal or No Deal".

But what I love throughout was the glazed, Stepford face as she saw it all going wrong.

Oh, let's watch it again! Good times!

In that video, my question is, why are Harry and Meghan standing at the door to begin with? I think if I were on staff, I'd say to them, "Why don't you walk on through before the others arrive?"

They went free range.

Look at how fast that adc of equerry charges into frame, with back up.

It's easy to imagine that was the day the 'we're not important' seed got planted, culminating in the no photos on the Queen's desk during the Christmas message meltdown.

Lucky Meghan... once she got past the difficulty of meeting him she had the easiest high value mark in the world by the balls.

Well, we know Tony loves Rose's boobs anyway, r449.

“It’s awkward”

I don't believe the Harkles were required to plant themselves at the doorway, and instead should have been in the big room with everyone else. The artifacts had to do with the Prince of Wales' history, so of course Will was "interested."

Never gets old seeing the fit of Sparkles' clothes -- the coat is embarrassing.

If Meghan had any damn sense, she would have followed Wills & Kate and acted (she is an actress) really interested in what she was seeing. In my job, I've had to fake interest many times. It's just common sense to act interested.

Pouty children are interested in Me Me Me, only.

Were the Harkles supposed to be in the room where they were waiting at the door or not? If they weren’t supposed to be there at all, then wouldn’t they have been told to leave well before their venture into the “private room” with the war artifacts table? If they were only supposed to be in the main, public room, wouldn’t someone have told them long before that awkward incident.

If all they did wrong was attempt to walk toward the war artifacts table breaking priority order, then yes, that’s bad enough. But if they weren’t even supposed to be in the first room at all (where they were standing in the doorway), wouldn’t they have been told long before that?

If all they did wrong was attempt to walk toward the war artifacts table breaking priority order, then yes, that’s bad enough. But if they weren’t even supposed to be in the first room at all (where they were standing in the doorway), wouldn’t they have been told long before that?

I don't presume to understand royal protocol, but from looking at the video, it *appears* they blundered into the middle of something, like something out of an "I Love Lucy" episode, but instead, I am guessing the reality is that the barreled into where they knew they weren't supposed to be and palace equerries had to boxed them in to let the royal procession pass. It appears to reinforce the argument that rather than failing to *help* Meghan, palace officials tried to guide her & she refused to listen.

An "I Love Lucy" episode - perfect. I'd love to see the whole scene with a laugh track and the audience member (supposedly Lucy's mother) going "uh oh"

William says 'not allowed' right around 2:11. I had to have headphones on to hear it.

I think the reason William had a hard time looking interested in the PoW artifacts is that they were all thrown off by the appearance of the Sussexes. Camilla and Kate are grinning in that uncomfortable way one does when confronted with social awkwardness, and William is looking back at his brother and Meghan to see how the equerries are handling them. After that, he just looks coldly angry. The best expression, though, is the one Charles gives Harry right after Harry meets them at the door and does the 'go head' wave: a confused and exasperated head-tilt that seems to say, 'are you really going to try this on?'

Only the Queen, with her decades of experience in ignoring unpleasantness, smoothly carries on.

The logical story is that the non-senior royals and other attendees were supposed to make their way to the big reception room and be seated while the senior royals looked at the artifacts and did the photo op. God only knows where Harry and Megan were hiding in order to dash out and be in the doorway, poised to barge their way in--"I Love Lucy" is right.

Harry looks mortified in his seat, hanging his head down. MM look like she is blinking back tears.

i am the one who brought Rose Hanbury into this thread. I am far from a Megstan, and have been around since the first dangling tendrils thread. But this is a gossip site, and PW's alleged mistress accompanying him on an overseas trip is gossip indeed.

I can imagine Wills having a mistress. I can't imagine him taking his mistress on an overseas trip. It's not like Hanbury is attached to his household as a nanny or a publicist or something. There is no reason for Hanbury to be there, and people would absolutely notice her presence. There's no way this would have been kept quiet for months if William was so stupid as to try it--which he isn't.

Everyone focuses on the senior royals in the R465 video, but what's really interesting are Harry and Meghan. As soon as the equerries stop them, Harry looks enraged--you can even see him clenching his fists at one point. Meghan is grinning like a robot, as always hyper-aware of the clicking cameras. Harry's thunderous expression doesn't change even once they're all singing "God Save the Queen."

I agree that their move to CA was as much Harry's idea as Meghan's. It's clear he's resented his brother's position for years, and this video is proof of it.

Fast forward to the Remembrance Day prayers in the church. The program had been printed up, noting the order of procession. The Harkles and Wessexes were to come in earlier and sit in the second row behind the Queen et al.

I would have liked to have been a moth on the wll when in an adjacent room Harry demanded that the two be included in the procession, and to keep the peace the Queen agreed. Nice Kate gave looks that could kill and did not acknowledge them while seated, and Will gave them a scarfing with his eyes.

Fast forward soon after to Megxit, where the Harkles were soundly booted across the Atlantic Ocean, and Frogmore snatched back a little while after that. I think those official engagements matter to the principals in the BRF.

My fascination with Meg has always been her inability to play the long game. The smartest thing to do would be to date Harry for a year, get the massive bump in her profile (I'd never heard of her before) and then break it off over "cultural differences". And the unnecessary mistakes she's made throughout the whole thing.

I agree, R499. That's what Cressida Bonas did, and then traded up for a much richer, hotter Harry. Meghan could have parleyed the profile bump into success in the US and a wealthy Hollywood or Silicon Valley player. Instead, she's stuck with dead-weight Harry.

The BRF is very aware of protocol. It's how events get organized nicely without the silly chaos you see in the R465 video. The steps of the protocol dance are as intricate as the gavotte. One bad dancer throws the whole thing out of wack.

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I forgot about Meghan's stupid popped blazer collar from that POW ceremony. She looks good in white, and the dress was a pretty fabric, but she always has to ruin the look somehow.

I'm shocked DL members were able to keep this Markle thread to just one thread and pretty much to stay on topic--and that it's this full of posts. All very civilized and orderly.

Wouldn't be the last time she made a right fool of herself. She wants to be the center of attention no matter what the occasion. Remember the awards show where she stood behind the award winner, clutching her belly and smiling like some deranged clown? The moment belonged to someone else, but she wasn't about to allow the focus to go off her. Ridiculous woman.

It seemed like Harry was more popular than his brother before he hooked up with Meghan. I wonder with a different woman if he would have stayed in the UK continued his popular charities and didn't make idiotic speeches about the environment and thus continued being well regarded by the British public. I don't think she is the cause of all their problems; will be interesting when a REAL tell all is written and her role in this fiasco vs, Harry's is explored.

R505 That fashion awards show performance by our Meg was surreal to watch. You could actually see her ego being fed by applause. She was feasting of it like some kind of spotlight vampire. She looked so fucking smug, while informing us yet again she was carrying the second coming of the Christ child in her womb. I'll bet she still flicks her bean to that moment.

Was she even actually invited to that, or did she have her servants call, and shore horn herself into someone else's moment like she always does? She was still liked at this point, but I wonder if her spotlight hogging started the beginning of the end of being dressed by the Clare Waight Kellers of the world.

LOL! The fake "hiding her giggle" move. What a phony.

You like me! YOU REALLY LIKE ME! ( giggly giggle)

She didn't remain this thin, did she?

It wasn't a protocol thing. It was the purpose of the photo op. The Queen, the Prince of Wales and the presumptive next Prince of Wales, looking at various regalia and doo dads and gee gaws from the investiture, fifty years previous. Prince Dunderhead and Lady Xanax were surplus to requirements.

No R510 having the baby changed her body and made her torso much wider. She is still thin, but its obvious she whelped her pup. That is why I never got the surrogate business, when she did that photo call after Archie was born it was clear she just gave birth. Maybe if she didnt wear padding at 2 months in to look 8 months along people would not have be questioning it.

OT - Just reflecting that The Crown has an embarrassment of background details to work with on future Seasons. Imagine this - the Harckles turn down their noses at Frogmore, take off for Canada, sneak off to L.A. in a jet and end up in a huge Rocky Horror Show looking mansion during wild fires, Covid, and Trump political debacle. Throw in Dimwit's "raindrops" lecture and speech to bank execs about Diana for $$$ and the on-going U.K. lawsuit fiasco. And.....BFF's Jessica Mulroney's "near suicide." lol There's almost too much material to work with. Oh and ME!'s miscarriage on front page of NYT. Comedy of Errors this all is.

[quote]The smartest thing to do would be to date Harry for a year, get the massive bump in her profile (I'd never heard of her before) and then break it off over "cultural differences". And the unnecessary mistakes she's made throughout the whole thing.

I think it is quite likely she had no idea what she was taking on, the structure, the rules. I remember her blundering into having no idea about the Commonwealth or whatever... ok, fine, you're an American, in fairness, why would you? But why play it up either? The strength of her desire far outstrips her actual ability to manage getting what she wants. She gets it and then fucks it up. Her image has slipped out of her control. Whatever becomes of her, whether they divorce, whether they remain married for life, she's damaged goods, largely self inflicted.

She got a royal wedding, worldwide fame, and Diana’s grandchild. Can’t take that away from her.

If you listen to the footage, at around 2:40, PW tells Camilla that Sparkle just wants attention and to get in the photos. Camilla then replies "How awkward."

R506.... interesting idea. I think she makes him worse and either deliberately or accidentally brings out his worst instincts. His mother, whatever her faults, was lavish with her love, that's evident. So imagine losing that before your mind and emotions started pulling away as you mature. There was no one could replace what he knew for a mother's love, when he was still so young. And I suspect Charles was an indulgent parent and understandably so.

Had they stayed and done their bit, or had he stayed with a more successful choice of wife, I would guess he would have occupied a place in the national affections that was solid. He's very natural and much like his mother. It's all very tribal and basic... people want to see people with authority or privilege of what have you behaving generously and acting like they care. Celebrities already exist. There is no need for royalty to fill that void. The poster upthread was right... if she wanted happiness and respect she should have boosted her profile and moved on, the beautiful girl who might have been a princess... but she overbid and then screwed it up. She was in over her head, with no clue what she was getting in to or up against.

R515, but it counts for less when you lose your reputation in the process. She's plainly not the next Diana... she's the next Sarah Ferguson.

I think if she had the ability to appreciate how far she got, and accepted her place in the pecking order, she and Harry could have really made something of their rolls. Sadly we all know she wanted to monetize the monarchy, not modernize it. She cant take all the blame. She was simply the ignition switch on Harry's powder keg. He wanted out, she wanted infamy, and they both got exactly what they wanted. As they are now learning be careful of what you wish for.

I am really looking forward to this alleged reality documentary they are doing with Netflix. Its going to provide thread after thread of fodder for us to pick apart and snark on. Love them or hate them, they are a great sideshow attraction.

R515, no one wants to. "Worldwide fame" is stretching a bit.

[quote]something of their rolls.

Oh Dear, r519.

r492 re: "I Love Lucy" - was fortunate enough to see a RSC production of "Merry Wives of Windsor" set in 1950's Lucille Ball style. It was fantastic! Imagine Kate, Meghan, Camilla and Sophie under the big dryers at the salon and cutely switching crossed legs back and forth to the orchestra at the change of scene in their pedal pushers and pleated skirts!

R450 re: open marriage. One also has to remember that William was first hand witness and very inappropriate armchair psychiatrist to his unstable mum, pushing tissues under the bathroom door, etc. Telling her he will get her HRH back when he is kind, etc. This is huge emotional scarring in any family, let alone high-profile BRF. Unlikely that he would repeat anything his parents did in this regard re: extramarital dalliances.

"Worldwide fame" is "stretching it a bit" - how so? It's literally what the marriage gave her.

Worldwide infamy then?

R502, I don't think it's impossible that William could have a mistress. What I do think is impossible is the story told at R435:

[quote]It was such a rough split that the wife chose to cancel all her events that had been scheduled for a trip with her husband and he was to go alone. Oh, he traveled alone alright, but he didn't stay alone. The person that was at the center of the mini-split was there the entire time.

Any trip official enough that Kate would have traveled with William and had 'events' there, i. e., some kind of official Royal business, is the LAST place William would take a girlfriend. He would not humiliate his wife like that. Kate isn't just his life partner and mother of his children, but also his future Queen, and even if he didn't love her enough to spare her feelings, he knows from his father's example the heavy penalties that come with treating a woman with that status with such disrespect. He may be cold and arrogant, but he is not stupid.

All that said, I think William DOES love Kate, and whatever marital difficulties they might have, he doesn't have a mistress or even fuckbuddies. This Rose Hanbury story is utter horseshit spread by a jealous woman and her trashy friends.

Sorry, the story is at R436.

R507 The rumor behind the scenes was that Meghan just showed up without an invitation. Rosamund Pike was supposed to present the award as she was the current face of Givenchy. However, Meghan steamrolled the event and demanded to give the award instead. Pike was said to be miffed but kept her cool. After presenting the award, Markle made a big production of cradling her bump. At one point, she has her arms to her side but suddenly realizes she is in the camera shot behind Waight Keller. She races to the cradle her bump in am obnoxious manner, one arm over, one arm under. It was also at this event that she took some stupid, stylized, black and white, animated Instagram photo only for the palace to demand it be taken down.

I completely believe this rumor. It's typical Markle. She wasn't asked to edit Vogue, she wasn't asked to any host or speak at any of these women empowerment/powerful women engagements, she wasn't asked to speak at the graduation. She either crashes these events or has her PR pay to get her involved. So embarrassing. Just like when she ordered that no one sit near her at Wimbledon and even sicced her security on a man who wasn't even taking photos of her. The man had no idea who she was.

Markle is a cunt, which is forgivable. What isn’t forgivable are her extremely bad manners.

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Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are set to launch a set of awards to rival the Queen's honours list.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex - who currently reside in an £11million mansion in California - will award individuals, charities and companies they feel champion their favourite causes.

The awards will run alongside the Queen's own gongs - which include Knighthoods, CBEs, OBEs and MBEs.

Meghan and Harry's awards will focus specifically on stand-out players in particular fields, court documents seen by The Sun have revealed.

These will include: 'Charitable service, education, science, literature, racial justice, gender equity, environmental stewardship, youth empowerment, health and mental health.'

The awards scheme will be run by Duke and Duchess's Archewell foundation - which they first tried to trademark back in March.

However, lawyers decided the application was unclear and lacked a signature - and they couple were given six months to send another application through.

A second set of forms was filed last week and they are now under review.

Which award would I prefer? A knighthood, OBE, CBE or MBE recognized throughout the Commonwealth, or a Harkle pat on the back?🤔

Awards only matter if they gift the recipient with prestige and/or money. The Sussexes have neither.

Will they be calling it The Duke and Duchess of Sussex Award? If that's not trading on their BRF titles, I don't know what is

Maybe they'll call it the Archwell awards? And what will the winner get? A glass plaque? Dinner at the Duke and Duchess' ($11 million) house? A press release?

Does the Clinton Foundation hand out awards? The Obamas? Oprah?

Oscar, Tony, Emmy, Archie

And the Archie goes to...

Oh, I'm sorry, the winner could not be with us tonight. Accepting the Archie will be Archie's mother.

LMAO! These two keep delivering.

Five-time Archie award winning humanitarian Meghan Markle!

The award will have a hamburger in honor of Sparkle's sexy hamburger eating spread in Men's Health magazine.

Here is photo of an Archie Award:

Let's be real. The award will be a medal with Markle's face in the center.

The remaining posts on this thread should be devoted to naming their awards. (Isn't it interesting how their PR dropped this just as Kate and William set off on their three-day tour across Britain to meet with and thank NHS and other healthy care workers for their heroism during the pandemic?)

Here we go:

Leroy Smith, WOS (Woke Order of Sussex)

Jamilla Jamilla, WDCS (Woke Dame Commander of Sussex)

I can just see all the celebrities getting influential people to get them on the list for awards, with Harry using a Soho House cake knife to confer the order and Meghan stepping forward to pin a new, specially designed medal featuring a coronet with little crosses at the top and an ermine band around the bottom, along with an American eagle, onto the bosoms and jackets of the Select Few.

They don't seem to realise that every step like this they take makes it increasingly apparent that they loved being royal and want to stay royal, they just don't want to serve the country and Sovereign that made them royal.

It's rather pathetic.

The Archewell Foundation has yet to do a single, solitary thing announced on its web site, probably still only has a minimum of funding, has a blank homepage, and no list of Board of Directors that I could find. It has yet to outline a single actual programme, guidelines, budget, activity, or specific aim.

But is announcing setting up "awards" because, well - the Queen's New Year's Honours List is around the corner and, as they did on Remembrance Day (which blew up in their faces), they think that by copying centuries of royal tradition, they can somehow seem royal.

As the oft-quoted Mr Wilde said, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

I imagine that the tired grimaces on the faces of the actual royals in the UK are beginning to fade into grins of contempt, and relief that these two twats threw their toys out of the pram and left.

The problem is that the Archewell Foundation, through which the press release says the awards will be given, means absolutely nothing. It's a silly name, it has done nothing, its awards will mean nothing . . . unless they are attached to Harry's title, which is what people want.

Those "awards" will have about as much competitive value with royally conferred OBEs, CBEs, Knighthoods, and Peerages as a Honda Civic has with a vintage Rolls.

The problem is that the Archewell Foundation, through which the press release says the awards will be given, means absolutely nothing. It's a silly name, it has done nothing, its awards will mean nothing . . . unless they are attached to Harry's title, which is what people want.

Those "awards" will have about as much competitive value with royally conferred OBEs, CBEs, Knighthoods, and Peerages as a Honda Civic has with a vintage Rolls.

^*apologies for the double post, I'm not sure how it happened, but it does occasionally. R546

The Sussex Sage Award

Is this a joke?

Kind of like The Jackson Family Honors......

How do we nominate Datalounge for the award in Literature?

They don't seem to realise that every step like this they take makes it increasingly apparent that they loved being royal and want to stay royal, they just don't want to serve the country and Sovereign that made them royal.

It's rather pathetic.

That's a very good observation; it is rather pathetic because if Harry wanted to take the $$ from his parents & buy some ranch, or or support endangered wildlife refuge (something like that), people would like & respect him for that. But they want all the perks of royalty without the service to country & people. In a lot of ways, I don't envy the royals - it would suck to spend your life in guided cage & constantly being criticized for your hair, weight, clothes, etc. But the Harkles want the perks & privilege without any of the hard work, criticism & rubbing shoulders with the unwashed masses. That Meghan doesn't really get it is one thing, but one would think Harry would

The Archies will have several sub categories:

The The Order of the Brash

The Order of the Flash

The Exulted Order the Cash

[quote]Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are set to launch a set of awards to rival the Queen's honours list.

Okay, this borders on mental illness at this point.

Its the equivalent of Trump trying to undo everything Obama achieved.

[quote]As the oft-quoted Mr Wilde said, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

Except in this case, imitation is the simpleton's form of flummery.

The Archies will have several sub categories:

What about "The Scourge of the Cancelled"? (that's not an award you want, but it's a ratings grabber!)

Lawsuit #6! It's a great year to be a Harkle lawyer

[quote]Papers were filed at the High Court in London on November 27, though little additional information is available as the lawsuit is still in its infancy. The prince's legal team at Schillings threatened the Mail on Sunday with legal action in October over claims he had not kept in touch with the Royal Marines since March, when he moved to America.

Correct me if I am wrong but were the Royal Marines the ones telling this to the press to voice their annoyance of Harry, and make it known they want William?

r558, No you are not wrong, this is sabre rattling from the prince who has no institute to back him up. This will come to nothing.

More than any other reason, his anger probably has more to do with the Royal Marine's request to have William as their patron.

It's clearer and clearer that what Harry has wanted all along is to be King. To have the title and the money and the fame, although he seems very reluctant to do any of the work.

I'm convinced now that Meghan didn't lure a poor befuddled Harry to California. He purposely sought out a wife who would do all the work of getting him out of the Royal family and helping him to set up an independent 'court' that would rival his father's or brother's. On the other hand, Meghan got exactly what SHE wanted out of the relationship--worldwide fame and the luxurious A-list life she always wanted.

In some ways, they are perfectly suited to each other. As long as they are both getting what they want, they'll be thick as thieves. Of course, if their grand plans don't come to fruition, there will be mutual recriminations and accusations that will keep us all entertained for years. It really will be the divorce of the century.

[quote]He purposely sought out a wife who would do all the work of getting him out of the Royal family and helping him to set up an independent 'court' that would rival his father's or brother's.

He's just not that bright. It is not unreasonable to assume he would have married Chelsea Davy or Cressida Bonas if they'd have taken him. I think what Harry was jealous of was William's family life. He talked publicly about wanting a family. Seeing what a dupe and a dope he is, small wonder he couldn't find a woman to marry him until...

Harry's feverish little brain expected to be co-king with William I guess, living in KP 1A, running down the hallway to confer on Important Things. He is seriously, I mean really OFF to the point of eclipsing Sparkles' stupidity, and that's saying somethng.

[quote]set up an independent 'court' that would rival his father's or brother's.

He doesn't have the Duchy of Cornwall or the Duchy of Lancaster financing, nor the respect, to get that done, especially in America (bwhahahahaha, what are these two nobs thinking?!)

I'd don't think Sparkle is stupid. I think she was ignorant of her situation when she was in the UK and in the U.S. she's a self-interested child of a broken home.

Harry's plainly very stupid.

These two are literally Othello and Desdemona. Othello the big dumb oaf easily agitated and prone to rage. Desdemona the scheming cunt manipulating her husband.

I don’t think it’s Harry who wants his own court. I think that’s all MM. Harry is pretty stupid, so she probably gets him to agree to these ridiculous schemes by selling them as increasing their exposure.

Othello and Iago, I think you mean. Desdemona is a faithful and loving wife, without guile.

Probably more like Macbeth and Lady Macbeth.

Now Twit and Twat are claiming the awards story is false. I assume it was a real concept the cooked up, and they leaked it saw the public shitting all over it, then decided to walk back on it. Then we get news of a new lawsuit to deflect? Who is advising them on these insane ideas? They left the royal fold to just become laughingstocks.

Has Archie been spotted? Someone needs to check on him after he was used to break Sparkle's miscarriage fall.

Harry suing ANL over that article is not only stupid, it tells the public that they have endless money to spend on lawsuits that, in fact, win or lose, really won't do anything to help their PR. They look like . . . rich people who sue because they can.

"In order to succeed in a defamation claim in the UK, a claimant now needs to establish: (i) the “publication” of a statement, (ii) that the statement was about the claimant, (iii) that the statement was defamatory to the claimant, and (iv) that the defamatory statement met the threshold of “serious harm to the claimant or to the reputation of the claimant” . . ."

It's the latter issue where Harry's suit will fail - the idea that Harry suffered "serious harm" over that piece, which most of the public have already forgotten about, is ludicrous. The other question is, if the statement was made public by the individual General (Ret'd.), and only appeared in public because the media outlet covered the story about the General making the statement, who is the responsible party?

I don't doubt the advice from Schillings was not to file, but having insisted on doing so, they can count on another 60,000 or so in fees at least.

I'm looking forward to Schillings' description of "serious harm to the Claimant's reputation" - e.g., that it cost the Claimant fees or a paying position or a contract . . . because it sure as hell didn't do any of that, and it's quite obvious that he's been removed from those military appointments already, and he's never getting them back, so he can't possibly claim that the publication of the statement cost him his military appointments.

These people never learn.

R566 - You need a refresher course in Shakespeare. Desdemona is the innocent wife victimised by the scheming Iago - it is Iago who manipulates Othello and proffers him false evidence of his wife's infidelity. Othello kills Desdemona and only then finds out Iago was lying to him. Iago is one of the Bard's most compelling villains.

I believe you're thinking of Lady Macbeth.

Harry is her accomplice, not her victim. They're both fucking idiots and in it together.

Harry is her accomplice, not her victim. They're both fucking idiots and in it together.

[quote]Who is advising them on these insane ideas?

Um... I don't think anyone is advising them. This stinks of homegrown.

I don’t disagree that Harry is no victim. However, he hasn’t got the brains to think of any of these schemes independently.

These lawsuits against publications make them look like control freaks. Why not just release a statement that a certain news story was false?

Wow. Harry is SEETHING about losing the military connection, as it seems to be a cornerstone of his World Domination Plan. It's clear that he brought it to the Netflix deal, considering he withdrew his Invictus support when they signed to stream on Amazon. He is no businessman, and expected his brother to set him up post-Megxit. How much more can he muck it up?

Those of us who had MM pegged from the beginning - well she's been worse than I expected. But she's obviously been a person who has been very thirsty for something - fame? money? prestige? entry into the levels of the truly important, worthwhile movers and shakers?. If Lady CC is correct, MM told her PR people that she wanted to be the most famous person in the world and insisted that there be at least 3 stories about her in the press every week (!!!!!)

But Harry, well, just wow. The picture Harry has painted of himself since becoming attached to Sparkle is just so, so amazingly bad. It seems pretty clear now that the BRF has protected him from himself over the years. And now that he is dangling off on a distance limb of the RF, without the shield that they had woven around him, he has exposed himself for what he really is.

You know, people don't like to be fooled. MM is pretty much what she has always been. The signs were all there for anyone who chose to look. But the Harry that we (and the UK public) see now is a rather unpleasant picture and very different from the faux Harry that was on view before.

Meghan is exactly who we thought she was from the beginning. Harry is less than we all thought he was. MUCH less.

[QUOTE] These two are literally Othello and Desdemona. Othello the big dumb oaf easily agitated and prone to rage. Desdemona the scheming cunt manipulating her husband.

You illiterate fool. Desdemona didn't manipulate anybody. She was the innocent victim of Iago's lies and Othello's insecurity. I think you mean Macbeth and Lady Macbeth with the dynamic you describe.

[QUOTE] These two are literally Othello and Desdemona. Othello the big dumb oaf easily agitated and prone to rage. Desdemona the scheming cunt manipulating her husband.

You illiterate fool. Desdemona didn't manipulate anybody. She was the innocent victim of Iago's lies and Othello's insecurity. I think you mean Macbeth and Lady Macbeth with the dynamic you describe.

Regarding the incident where Meghan forced her way into design award ceremony, introdcuced the winner and then stood behind her making faces while cupping her huge bump:

She explained later that while she was standing there, for the first time Archie started kicking in the womb. She said that she was astonished and didn't know how to react.

Yeah, right.

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Eh, Piers is a tiresome attention-seeker himself.

Be courteous of others and wait until you're backstage to act like a giddy nut job? Let the person being honored have their moment and deal with your uterus later? Stop with the bullshit, Meg. We've seen your coat flicks.

You would think the kid was in danger of popping out of her belly, ala Alien, with the way she had both arms wrapped around her belly.

[QUOTE]You illiterate fool

We prefer Unlettered Buffoon, r582

R584, MM always makes whatever event she attends all about her. She knows no other way.

I quite enjoyed Piers Morgan's astute observations of the Harkles.

From a column in the Telegraph on the new awards scheme...

"The Couple, though, are no longer royalty, but have instead risen to become king and queen of the progressives, and will now reward people who make telling contributions to areas close to their heart, which should mean 90 percent of the awards will go to people working in PR."

Haha. True.

Now thats an achievement to be pilloried by the Times.

Etsy are selling Meghan Christmas Tree ornaments, they'll be doing Guy Fawkes night dolls to burn for next November the 5th.

The Prince Harry one is here.

'I quite enjoyed Piers Morgan's astute observations of the Harkles.'

That's because you are a right wing troll, just like Piers himself.

So what do we think the Markles said to each other when they saw this dog and pony show at Windsor Castle today? Or maybe no talk... just screeching and dishes smashing?

I love that Harry & Meghan have simply been dropped in the trash bin.

I have to say, the pictures from K&W train tour of the UK to thank healthcare workers was quite nice.

Get ready for the next Sussex salvo in retaliation for the recent Windsor meet-up from which they were excluded.