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Goodbye to Gay Rights!

[quote] People aren't talking nearly enough about the Equality Act that Biden says he'll enact within 100 days of taking office.

[quote] This act changes the definition of "sex" in the 1964 Civil Rights Act to include "gender identity." This will make all sex-based rights impossible to enforce.

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by Anonymousreply 367March 1, 2021 2:13 AM

[quote] Read the whole Equality Act for yourself below. It is pretty nightmarish.

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by Anonymousreply 1November 22, 2020 1:57 AM

[quote] By including "gender identity" WITHIN the definition of "sex", as opposed to making gender identity a separate protected category, all sex-based rights and protections will be based solely on the sex someone merely "identifies" with, regardless of their actual biological sex.

by Anonymousreply 2November 22, 2020 1:57 AM

Miss me yet?

by Anonymousreply 3November 22, 2020 1:58 AM

[quote] This means access to sports at public institutions, public bathrooms & locker rooms, prisons, shelters, scholarships, etc., that are supposed to be for females must include anyone who identifies as female.

[quote] This essentially erases any material definition of "female" and "woman."

by Anonymousreply 4November 22, 2020 1:58 AM

[quote] See this thread below for a detailed assessment of how the Equality Act affects sex-based rights. Link to the paper is provided as well.

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by Anonymousreply 5November 22, 2020 1:58 AM

This is exactly why progressive Democrats are as dangerous as Trump Republicans. This shit really has to stop.

by Anonymousreply 6November 22, 2020 2:00 AM

[quote]People aren't talking nearly enough about the Equality Act that Biden says he'll enact within 100 days of taking office.

Can he actually enact anything without Congress? The Senate is still under Republican control.

by Anonymousreply 7November 22, 2020 2:00 AM

[quote] Lesbian and gay sexualities also disappear here. Sexual orientation is criticised as transphobic. This disappears sexism, and people’s *sex*ualities (388).

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by Anonymousreply 8November 22, 2020 2:03 AM

What happened to the top part of this thread?

by Anonymousreply 9November 22, 2020 2:03 AM

(R1)

by Anonymousreply 10November 22, 2020 2:04 AM

Terrible!

by Anonymousreply 11November 22, 2020 2:04 AM

This is dangerous. Leave it to a straight guy to pass something that erases gay rights and women's rights.

by Anonymousreply 12November 22, 2020 2:04 AM

This is dangerous. Leave it to a straight guy to pass something that erases gay rights and women's rights.

by Anonymousreply 13November 22, 2020 2:04 AM

[bold] Can biological males be lesbians? [/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 14November 22, 2020 2:05 AM

[quote] Legislating that gender identity overrides sex-based rights without exception is hasty, misguided, and contributes to female subordination. There are better ways to protect LGBT *and* sex-based rights. Distinct protections for gender status, sexual orientation, and sex

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by Anonymousreply 15November 22, 2020 2:05 AM

Write your senators, congress people, representatives!

by Anonymousreply 16November 22, 2020 2:06 AM

[quote] Support for the Equality Act reflects: a) policy capture, b) confusion regarding sex and gender, and c) sexist disregard for females. The bill is both unacceptable and unnecessary.

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by Anonymousreply 17November 22, 2020 2:07 AM

[quote] Burt answers a series of frequently asked questions in response to her article, in the supplementary material here

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by Anonymousreply 18November 22, 2020 2:08 AM

[quote] This is dangerous. Leave it to a straight guy to pass something that erases gay rights and women's rights.

Not sure how this impacts gay rights, but yes, on women's rights definitely.

by Anonymousreply 19November 22, 2020 2:10 AM

Trannies are the enemy of the people. They’re disgusting

by Anonymousreply 20November 22, 2020 2:11 AM

[bold] Amend The US "Equality Act" [/bold]

[quote] Protections for lesbians, gays and bisexuals are long overdue, but this bill devastates women's rights

[quote] Since 1974, when U.S. Representatives Bella Abzug and Ed Koch first introduced the Equality Act (H.R.14752) in the House, to 2019 when the Equality Act (H.R. 5) passed the House for the first time (but was ignored by the Senate), lesbians, gays and bisexuals have been working to get ‘sexual orientation’ included in federal civil rights protections, specifically the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Depending on whether you look at housing or public accommodations, 27 or 28 states still lack protections for sexual orientation—meaning LGB people can be denied housing or services based on their sexuality, with no recourse to federal civil rights remedies. Those protections are urgently needed.

[quote] But since 2007, ‘gender identity’ has been included along with ‘sexual orientation’ in the repeatedly introduced Equality Act (EA), and crucially, H.R. 5 bears little resemblance to the EA of 1974.

[quote] Unfortunately, in the current EA, ‘gender identity’ is conflated with ‘sex’ in the proposal, effectively decimating women’s rights.

[quote] We’ve united with Feminists in Struggle and others to form the Coalition for Feminist Amendments to the Equality Act, and have written to the Senate stating why we believe that the EA should be amended. We reproduce that letter here for your information, and encourage supporters to write and call both their Senators and Representatives, urging them to support the Feminist Amendments to the Equality Act developed by Feminists in Struggle, and supported by LGB Alliance USA.

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by Anonymousreply 21November 22, 2020 2:13 AM

[quote]Not sure how this impacts gay rights

It erases gender, therefore it is no longer considered a male/male relationship. You will be considered Person A and Person B. There will no longer be "homo"sexuality because same sex will not be recognized.

by Anonymousreply 22November 22, 2020 2:13 AM

Given Biden's stance on gay rights, I can't imagine he would enact anything that would be harmful to them. Then again, I have not read the entire Bill, only sections of it.

by Anonymousreply 23November 22, 2020 2:15 AM

November 9th, 2020

To members of the U.S. Senate,

The late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg devoted her life to fighting for legal protections on the basis of biological sex. Congress should honor that legacy, and the legacy of so many other women who’ve fought to secure our rights, but most importantly, Congress has a duty to uphold our most basic human rights protections. The current version of the Equality Act (HR 5), now pending in the Senate Judiciary Committee, will risk erasing sex as a protected class in law, weakening protections and undermining the existing rights of females as a unique class, and the progress that’s been made toward achieving equality.

The Coalition for Feminist Amendments to the Equality Act (“CoFA”) is a national alliance of feminist and LGB organizations and individuals. We write to urge hearings on our proposal to amend the Equality Act (to receive testimony on its many problematic provisions), and to provide vital input on how those issues may be fixed. The Feminist Amendments expands civil rights laws to cover lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, transgender, and other individuals who don’t conform to gender stereotypes (roles traditionally imposed based on one’s sex), while continuing to uphold sex-based protections. In doing so, everyone’s rights are protected.

We support many of the positive provisions put forth by the Equality Act. Federal statutory protections for lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals based on sexual orientation are long overdue. We applaud the closure of the loophole that allows the use of religious freedom as legal grounds to allow any person to flout civil rights laws.

At the same time, the Equality Act’s attempt to protect transgender individuals from discrimination — through the creation of “gender identity” as a protected class — creates ambiguity, confusion, and a conflict of rights that must be addressed. The term “gender identity” is subjective, in that it describes a state of mind that may or may not be manifested in dress, grooming, or behavior. This subjectivity opens a loophole ripe for abuse. As it’s used in HR-5, the term provides no objective test useful to a court, which will ultimately litigate the conflicts sure to arise from this legislation. Failure to address these conflicts will threaten long-settled statutory and case law developed to protect the rights of females as a distinctive class.

More importantly, “gender” or “gender identity” is conflated with “sex” throughout the bill, and risks eliminating sex as a protected class in civil rights law. Merging two distinct groups — who have different sets of experiences, discrimination and marginalization — is detrimental to preserving human rights protections currently afforded to females as a uniquely subjugated class.

Female only facilities are an important legacy of women’s organizing, key to the protection of the female sex against male-pattern violence and to the broader participation of women in public life. It’s vital that these basic human rights provisions remain in place.

by Anonymousreply 24November 22, 2020 2:15 AM

Male-pattern violence against females is so well-documented that Congress passed the Violence Against Women Act in an attempt to protect them from sexual and physical assault. However, such predatory violence remains pervasive as demonstrated by the “Me Too” movement and numerous well-documented instances of such violations by males in the entertainment business, the military, and even Congress. A Swedish study showed that this pattern of behavior is not mitigated by male-to-female sex reassignment surgery.

Moreover, the current bill’s “gender identity” provisions require that males who identify as women, including those with intact male genitalia (85-90% of males who identify as women retain male genitalia), must be admitted, solely on the basis of “self-identification,” into female facilities, such as, rape crisis centers, battered women’s shelters, homeless shelters, prisons, hospital rooms, communal showers, changing rooms, restrooms, and nursing homes.

Social scientists and international policy bodies have underscored the importance of maintaining separate statistics based on sex, as a key means of tracking disparities between the sexes, recording accurate data, and measuring our progress on addressing sex-based discrimination. In addition, there are multiple instances, such as within the context of health care, where having accurate information about a person’s sex, is vital, even life-saving.

by Anonymousreply 25November 22, 2020 2:16 AM

By eliminating sex as a protected class, the bill, as currently written, would:

· Undermine targeted remedies for the exclusion or under-representation of women and girls in education, and in jobs and professions traditionally held by men

· Eradicate competitive women’s sports by undermining Title IX protections

· Make it impossible to measure (and remedy) disparity between the sexes, such as the pay gap and domestic violence

· Prevent the gathering of accurate crime and health statistics

See attached fact sheets for more information on the impact of erasing sex as a protected class in civil rights law, by allowing the concept of “gender” or “gender identity” to override “sex.”

The Feminist Amendments eliminate “gender identity” and instead establish two new categories in civil rights law: “sexual orientation” and “sex-stereotyping.” Doing so more effectively protects all classes, while not negating sex-based protections.

These amendments contain clear definitions of “sex” and “sex-stereotyping,” that will preserve female facilities and programs, allowing women and girls to participate fully in public life. (See attached.)

At the same time, the Feminist Amendments protect lesbians, gay men, bisexuals (and all people who don’t conform to imposed gender roles and stereotypes), including transgender people, from discrimination in employment, housing, credit, and in places of public accommodation.

These amendments also allow for the establishment of “gender neutral” facilities for individuals who may feel safer or more comfortable in such spaces, so long as the availability and access to female only facilities is not diminished. Thus, these amendments allow each protected class to continue to make progress toward achieving true equality.

One hundred years after women’s suffrage, women still get paid less, are denied equal opportunities in the workplace, and continue to be underrepresented in many fields and positions of economic and political leadership in our society, because of their sex. Females still suffer disproportionately from domestic violence and rape because of their sex. Discrimination on the basis of sex will not end if we eliminate sex as a stand-alone protected class.

No Senate action should be taken on the Equality Act without hearings to gather evidence on the conflicts outlined in this letter. We offer the Feminist Amendments to the Equality Act as our contribution to this much needed work.

We and members of our constituent organizations are prepared to sit down with you and members of your staff to discuss our concerns and appropriate strategies we might collaborate on to secure the hearing anticipated in the previous paragraph.

It is our fervent wish that you honor the legacy of our most revered jurist RBG by adopting the Feminist Amendments to the Equality Act to continue her fight to protect women and girls on the basis of sex.

by Anonymousreply 26November 22, 2020 2:16 AM

r23, he has repeatedly vowed to pass it within the first 100 days of his presidency.

by Anonymousreply 27November 22, 2020 2:18 AM

And nobody can speak against this. Nobody ever censored themselves when opposing gay rights but nobody can oppose trannys.

by Anonymousreply 28November 22, 2020 2:20 AM

If this passes, as is, homosexuality ceases to exist under the law, including protections thereof. The only protected class becomes "gender identity", which is a theology that only hard core religious fundamentalists and trannies believe in.

by Anonymousreply 29November 22, 2020 2:21 AM

What's stopping you speaking against this R28?

by Anonymousreply 30November 22, 2020 2:21 AM

They slipped that transing kids legislature in there. Nobody will fight that except Republicans who’ll get dismissed. Democrats need to stand up against this. Gay Democrats especially!

by Anonymousreply 31November 22, 2020 2:21 AM

Comparison of Original Equality Act and Feminist Amendments.02.07.20

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by Anonymousreply 32November 22, 2020 2:25 AM

This is the man in make-up who's causing the trouble

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by Anonymousreply 33November 22, 2020 2:25 AM

r30, they dox, harass, attack, engage in firing campaigns, and have deplatformed everyone who speaks not just out against their agenda but simply questions their dogma.

This is incomplete and some of the links are gone because the sites keep removing anything critical to the trans agenda, but here's a partial list of people who have been silenced:

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by Anonymousreply 34November 22, 2020 2:29 AM

[quote] …I can't imagine he would enact anything…

People of his age men can't cope with subtleties and complex argument.

They are facing their mortality (ie the descent into senility and death).

by Anonymousreply 35November 22, 2020 2:29 AM

A big part of the reason why average liberal Democrats are going along with this trans monstrosity is because of the LGB before the T. They think T has to do with sexual orientation (or something) and that all gay people and trans are the same thing, with the trans just being "extra gay". They have no idea what the real deal with the T is and all the mainstream platforms censor content and shut down accounts that provide counter points.

by Anonymousreply 36November 22, 2020 2:31 AM

Joe's heart is in the right place, but he often seems awkward on the subject of LGBTQ.

by Anonymousreply 37November 22, 2020 2:35 AM

I am writing Kamala Harris and Dianne Feinstein as my Senators and both Senators from Arizona Kyrsten Sinema and Mark Kelly.

by Anonymousreply 38November 22, 2020 2:36 AM

If there is no legal definition for bio sex, there is no legal definition for same sex orientation. Simple as that.

by Anonymousreply 39November 22, 2020 2:39 AM

Goodby to you! Goodbye to everything I thought I knew!

by Anonymousreply 40November 22, 2020 2:40 AM

This will never get passed.

by Anonymousreply 41November 22, 2020 2:41 AM

I've grown to accept that this kind of stuff is the reason Trump happened and the reason a new Trump will be coming soon. The rise in conservative politics around the world isn't a coincidence. People would rather vote for a Republican than somebody who does this shit.

by Anonymousreply 42November 22, 2020 2:43 AM

r31, you just gave the game away by admitting that Republicans will oppose this. Because they hate gays AND trans people. Admit you're a freeper troll. Btw, most of the posts in this thread are coming from the OP

by Anonymousreply 43November 22, 2020 2:44 AM

r41, he has an entire page on his campaign website promoting it. The "Equality" Act has been part of his platform from Day 1:

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by Anonymousreply 44November 22, 2020 2:44 AM

r39, no...if that were the case, then we wouldn't have needed protected class status to begin with. The default goes back to heterosexuals who "behave and present as their assigned gender".

by Anonymousreply 45November 22, 2020 2:45 AM

I still maintain that the trans are a fleeting trend. It's a new decade and the trans trend only really started around 2015. If they're as much of a part of "the discussion" in 2030 as they are now, THEN I'll start to worry.

by Anonymousreply 46November 22, 2020 2:47 AM

Everyone except the far left and far ideologues who actually know what is in this bill are against it, even if they oppose it for different reasons. However, if the Democrats take the Senate they will absolutely bring it to the floor, probably or without a huge push back against it. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't make the effort. We have to or we won't be able to later because our rights to oppose "gender identity" will be gone.

r46, then, you don't know the money behind the trans agenda.

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by Anonymousreply 47November 22, 2020 2:52 AM

How can lgb people be protected under this “equality act” when it also erases their very existence?

by Anonymousreply 48November 22, 2020 2:52 AM

You're not trans until you get sex-reassignment surgery. I understand it's expensive, but- you're not a man til you have a penis.

Maybe someday insurance will pay for it.

by Anonymousreply 49November 22, 2020 2:53 AM

Trans people aren't a trend and there were trans people well before 2015. Only a stupid person would say that. Republicans said that same thing about gays, because they're too dumb to understand that gays have always been around.

r48, it doesn't, except according to right-wing Milo trolls.

by Anonymousreply 50November 22, 2020 2:53 AM

R49, There are no legal provisions as to what a trans woman is. If you identify yourself as a woman, you are one. No questions asked

by Anonymousreply 51November 22, 2020 2:55 AM

r47 linked to a biased right-wing site:

Uncommon Ground is a platform for voices critical of political orthodoxy, for secularists, feminists and activists with positions deemed inconvenient or sidelined by the more dominant left-leaning media outlets.

by Anonymousreply 52November 22, 2020 2:55 AM

R38 lmk what Kamala replies! What a correspondence you’ll have. Oh and Dianne too. Oh and I suppose why not also the two senators from Arizona.

by Anonymousreply 53November 22, 2020 2:59 AM

If it passes then 2022 will be a blood bath for Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 54November 22, 2020 3:02 AM

The anti-gay anti-woman troll is AGAIN spreading lies about liberal publications and pro-LGB groups. All you do is LIE. Why would anyone except differently of you, when you refuse to even admit what sex you are? Keep lying, keep on, the more you post, the more people who aren't crazy see exactly what you are.

by Anonymousreply 55November 22, 2020 3:03 AM

r55 is lying. These right-wing trolls just want to divide gay people and trans people. They are motivated by hating people who are different, that's what always motivates the right.

by Anonymousreply 56November 22, 2020 3:04 AM

"People would rather vote for a Republican than somebody who does this shit."

LOL. Pretty no one votes for the president based on stuff like this - the rest of the world is not as obsessed with trans people as much as right-wing trolls at the datalounge are. Most Republicans don't even know any trans people.

by Anonymousreply 57November 22, 2020 3:06 AM

The Trans terrorists had a longtime Twitter account shut down this week called Intersex Facts, which, as one might guess, simply dispelled myths and confusion about Differential Sex Disorders, as advocacy for people with those disorders. They shut it down because TRAs love to tell LIES that conflate DSDs with Trans and their account was getting in the way of the Trans propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 58November 22, 2020 3:06 AM

Psycho Tranny, stop genociding gay children and, then, maybe we can talk.

by Anonymousreply 59November 22, 2020 3:07 AM

"The Trans terrorists had a longtime Twitter account shut down this week called Intersex Facts, which, as one might guess, simply dispelled myths and confusion about Differential Sex Disorders, as advocacy for people with those disorders. They shut it down because TRAs love to tell LIES that conflate DSDs with Trans and their account was getting in the way of the Trans propaganda."

The right-wing terrorists love to bash minorities and then claim that they're the real victims when people call them out.

by Anonymousreply 60November 22, 2020 3:09 AM

r59, no one is genociding gay children except your fellow conservatives. They support ex-gay therapy and drive their gay kids to suicide with their homophobic hate.

Trans people aren't the enemy - Republicans are

by Anonymousreply 61November 22, 2020 3:11 AM

I'm certain AOC is eager to support this nonsensical bill!

by Anonymousreply 62November 22, 2020 3:11 AM

Please stop calling people “right wing” just because they see the loony trans agenda for what it is. You’re either an idiot or you’re being totally disingenuous.

by Anonymousreply 63November 22, 2020 3:12 AM

[quote] I still maintain that the trans are a fleeting trend. It's a new decade and the trans trend only really started around 2015

The ignorant Bleeding Hearts think they're doing the right thing by supporting this trend

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by Anonymousreply 64November 22, 2020 3:13 AM

You know, it really couldn't have worked out better to destroy gay rights than if the entire T movement had been supported by anti-gay rights people and pharma companies who would make easy money off lifetime medications that required no research and development.

But, of course, you'd have to be a crazed tinhat nutjob to believe that people could have such a long-term devious and malicious plans...

[quote]In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans...Republican politicians developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right

[quote]The "Southern Strategy" refers primarily to "top down" narratives of the political realignment of the South which suggest that Republican leaders consciously appealed to many white Southerners' racial grievances in order to gain their support.

Oh wait...

by Anonymousreply 65November 22, 2020 3:13 AM

Yes, R63. Those who resort to that name calling know exactly what they are doing. Do not let them shut down the conversation— Muriel will do that soon enough.

by Anonymousreply 66November 22, 2020 3:13 AM

r66, you're engaging in name calling by attacking trans people. Criticizing hatemongers like you isn't shutting down the conversation - you're shutting down the conversation by saying people aren't allowed to criticize you.

r64, just because people are talking about trans issues more doesn't mean it's a "trend" - using that logic homosexuality is also a "trend" because it was considering a taboo topic until relatively recently in history.

by Anonymousreply 67November 22, 2020 3:16 AM

[quote] Trans people aren't a trend and there were trans people well before 2015. Only a stupid person would say that.

You know goddamned well that there IS INDEED a trans TREND happening, and that it started in the last decade. It’s why trans people are everywhere, overrepresented in media and pop culture, and why Biden said “trans rights are the civil rights of our time”, and why the whole phenomenon of Sudden Onset Gender Dysphoria started happening to autistic girls who spend too much time online.

Do NOT play dumb.

by Anonymousreply 68November 22, 2020 3:17 AM

r63, please stop repeating right-wing talking points while objecting to being called a conservative. It's liberals who support gay AND trans rights. Conservatives hate gays AND trans people. Liberals and gays support the equality act - conservatives are against it.

by Anonymousreply 69November 22, 2020 3:17 AM

Blocking you now, freak @ R69.

by Anonymousreply 70November 22, 2020 3:19 AM

r68, everything you said about trans people could be said about gays by conservative. EVERYTHING. They always say gays are overrepresented and they say things like "In my day, it was the love that dare not speak its name, now people won't shut up about it"

And most trans people aren't "autistic girls" - you just made that up, stupid.

by Anonymousreply 71November 22, 2020 3:19 AM

[quote] Trans people aren't a trend and there were trans people well before 2015

No. Those people were drag queens and transvestites and they kept to the themselves.

This new breed of transvestites want to change the language and the laws.

by Anonymousreply 72November 22, 2020 3:20 AM

One cannot support gay rights and trans rights at the same time. Trans actively are trying to wipe out the gay community and erase them from their own movement. Except of course the lesbians that trannys want to tuck, they can stay.

You will learn that soon enough.

by Anonymousreply 73November 22, 2020 3:20 AM

*fuck

by Anonymousreply 74November 22, 2020 3:21 AM

This gay liberal is against it, R69. Your angle is very transparent.

by Anonymousreply 75November 22, 2020 3:22 AM

[bold] LESBIANS. If You're Not a Woman You Can't Be One. [/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 76November 22, 2020 3:22 AM

r72, conservatives think gays should keep their sexuality to themselves. And of course there were trans people before 2015.

r73, almost all people who support gay rights support trans rights. Trans people aren't wiping out gays at all, in fact gays outnumber trans people. You reactionaries are too stupid to do the math. Gay identity has not gone down over time.

r75, your angle is transparent. You're not a liberal. You're a Milo troll.

by Anonymousreply 77November 22, 2020 3:24 AM

[quote]You will learn that soon enough.

You’ve been warned.

by Anonymousreply 78November 22, 2020 3:24 AM

All the things you trolls are saying about trans people are things conservatives said about gays. Wanting to change the language and the laws? LOL. Conservatives always say stuff like "In my day, gay meant happy. Why did gays ruin that word?"

What's hysterical is that trans people make up less than 1% of the population yet conservatives are so scared of them and act like they're taking over.

by Anonymousreply 79November 22, 2020 3:26 AM

Trans must stop sterilizing lgb kids. I cannot wait until they grow up and start suing the shit out their their doctors and homophobic parents.

by Anonymousreply 80November 22, 2020 3:26 AM

R79, Except TRAd really are trying to change laws and words. That’s inrefutable.

by Anonymousreply 81November 22, 2020 3:27 AM

r81. gays changed laws. Gays changed words. Gay marriage was illegal. Now it's not. Gay meant happy. Now it means homosexual. But conservatives are resistant to change. They think it's bad.

by Anonymousreply 82November 22, 2020 3:29 AM

r54, I know far left democrats (on everything but identity politics) and have heard from plenty of others who voted for congressional Republicans in this past election entirely because of the threat of this bill.

by Anonymousreply 83November 22, 2020 3:29 AM

r83, funny, I don't know a single person who did. It's almost like people are making shit up to back up their agenda.

by Anonymousreply 84November 22, 2020 3:30 AM

How did the trans community gain traction so fast? This just seems nuts. Are conservatives pulling the levers and progressives are too stupid to see the bigger picture?

by Anonymousreply 85November 22, 2020 3:30 AM

r85, conservatives are the ones ranting against trans people. Like you.

by Anonymousreply 86November 22, 2020 3:31 AM

[quote] there were trans people before 2015.

Those transvestites didn't commit as much crime as this new wave of Discretionary Transvestites.

A lot of these new 'Discretionary Transvestites' only decide to go transvestite after they've been charged with their crime.

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by Anonymousreply 87November 22, 2020 3:32 AM

I'm not conservative.

by Anonymousreply 88November 22, 2020 3:32 AM

You don’t need to defend yourself R88!

by Anonymousreply 89November 22, 2020 3:33 AM

r87 just linked to a right-wing, agenda-driven site. There is no evidence that trans people commit more crimes than anyone else. Funny how gays would support using anecdotal evidence to slam people, how would you like it if conservatives used Jeffrey Dahmer against us?

by Anonymousreply 90November 22, 2020 3:34 AM

r85, see the article @ r47. It looks fast, but Martine Rothblatt created the blueprint for this plan in the 1970s.

by Anonymousreply 91November 22, 2020 3:39 AM

The Trans brigade is working hard to silence gay men and women. It won't end well for the homophobic Trans movement. Gay man and women will continue to fight for their rights.

by Anonymousreply 92November 22, 2020 3:42 AM

men*

by Anonymousreply 93November 22, 2020 3:43 AM

R82, Gay marriage became a reality after about 20 or so years of public debate and changing public opinions.not because some gay power players decided to force their will on everybody else one day. Gay rights were fought for in the court of public opinion, the same can’t be said for trans rights and to their forcing companies not to explicitly advertise feminine products like tampons to women.

Nobody can debate this trans bullshit. It’s nothing like the gay movement, it’s a Trojan horse.

by Anonymousreply 94November 22, 2020 3:43 AM

Yes, it is a Trojan horse in the middle of the current Woke War.

by Anonymousreply 95November 22, 2020 3:44 AM

r94, conservatives believe that the supreme court and "gay activists" forced gay rights on people. You are forgetting all those anti-gay ballot initiatives that passed, a lot of people do not like gays. Btw, no one FORCED a tampon company to do anything. They chose to be more inclusive, and right-wingers bitched about it.

The same people who bitch about "Woke" policies are conservatives who hate gays. Wake up and get some self-awareness.

by Anonymousreply 96November 22, 2020 3:45 AM

Everyone has got to start speaking up, while we still can.

by Anonymousreply 97November 22, 2020 3:48 AM

This was five years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 98November 22, 2020 3:51 AM

Gays weren’t afraid to debate. TRAs run from debate like their lives depend on it.

by Anonymousreply 99November 22, 2020 3:51 AM

r97, we should start speaking out against conservatives who want to make the world worse for gays and trans people

r99 is living in his own reality.

by Anonymousreply 100November 22, 2020 3:52 AM

Can you imagine if gays demanded David bridal or some other shit like that to removes the words “wedding” and “bride and groom” from their advertisements so we can feel more included? Lmfao

by Anonymousreply 101November 22, 2020 3:53 AM

r101, conservatives said the same thing. "How dare gays call their relationships marriage? Call it a civil union"

by Anonymousreply 102November 22, 2020 3:54 AM

“ conservatives believe that the supreme court and "gay activists" forced gay rights on people. You are forgetting all those anti-gay ballot initiatives that passed”

Maybe the FRC types do but most were pretty much over it by the time it became legal. Gays did the work and changed perceptions. We didn’t hide behind other people and “quietly” change laws so we don’t draw attention to ourselves.

We can win debates because our movement wasn’t forced on people playing make believe.

by Anonymousreply 103November 22, 2020 3:55 AM

R102, That wasn’t just conservatives, dear. Hillary Clinton and Biden said the same thing. It’s no surprise that they now support the “equality” act as well.

by Anonymousreply 104November 22, 2020 3:57 AM

They didn't "evolve" on shit.

by Anonymousreply 105November 22, 2020 3:57 AM

r104, they changed their views. Duh. Conservatives didn't. Bill views on gays were liberal at the time.

by Anonymousreply 106November 22, 2020 3:58 AM

The Milo clones will complain about the Clintons or trans people while sucking up to the conservatives who compared gay marriage to a person marrying an animal

by Anonymousreply 107November 22, 2020 3:58 AM

[quote] Magdalen Berns responds to Arielle Scarcella’s diplomatic question "Where do we draw the line when it comes to respect for ones sexuality and respect for ones gender?" with a critical perspective on the "cotton ceiling" (the claim that lesbians who refuse to validate the gender identity of heterosexual MtT people, by pretending not to be lesbians, are "transphobic") and the antithetical relationship between the LG (i.e. homosexuals) and QT ("queer"/"questioning" and transgender) "liberation" movements.

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by Anonymousreply 108November 22, 2020 4:00 AM

[bold] The Boxer Ceiling: Woke Homophobia & the Abuse of Gay Men by Trans Activists [/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 109November 22, 2020 4:01 AM

Yawn, the anti-trans trolls can't make an argument that doesn't involve parroting conservative talking points or linking to TERF videos on youtube.

by Anonymousreply 110November 22, 2020 4:01 AM

R106, That’s precisely the point. Gay rights were fought over and ruthlessly debated. They weren’t forced on us in a “don’t you question this or you’re a fucking bigot” the way the trans movement operates

TRAs are fucking terrified of public debate because they would never win it.

by Anonymousreply 111November 22, 2020 4:02 AM

Once again, the Einstein at r109is trying to pretend trans people are the biggest threat to gays and not conservatives

by Anonymousreply 112November 22, 2020 4:02 AM

"TRAs are fucking terrified of public debate because they would never win it."

They're not, actually but you seem terrified to admit that you're a reactionary who is recycling right-wing talking points. And if calling people bigots is bad....I guess all the gays who called conservative homophobes bigots are bad, too. You freepers don't seem to understand the freedom of speech means freedom to call out bigotry.

by Anonymousreply 113November 22, 2020 4:04 AM

[quote] Mainstream trans activism is usually based on Queer Theory and Poststructuralism. Although its perhaps unintentional on behalf of a lot of its proponents, it often leads to downright homophobic, sexist, and pseudoscientific rhetoric.

[quote] Curating the hottest takes from trans rights activists, queer theorists, and liberal feminists.

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by Anonymousreply 114November 22, 2020 4:05 AM

There needs to be a new political party that protects gays from the left wing and the right wing.

by Anonymousreply 115November 22, 2020 4:05 AM

r115, there is a party that stands up for gay rights. It's the Democratic Party. Milo clones want to pretend that liberals are their enemies because they aren't bright.

by Anonymousreply 116November 22, 2020 4:07 AM

Remember how JK Rowling got attacked? Most people didn’t even know what she actually said and if they do, why what she said is wrong. They just know they’re supposed to find it detestable and not to question it.

TRAs are nazis.

by Anonymousreply 117November 22, 2020 4:07 AM

I could only read so many of the Tweets at R109. How does Twitter not ban THOSE freaks, but instead ban people who say things like “Biological sex is unchangeable”?

by Anonymousreply 118November 22, 2020 4:08 AM

"Remember how JK Rowling got attacked? Most people didn’t even know what she actually said and if they do, why what she said is wrong. They just know they’re supposed to find it detestable and not to question it."

She was criticized because she said bigoted things. She also retweeted and liked comments from a right-winger who supports conversion therapy.

by Anonymousreply 119November 22, 2020 4:10 AM

r118, because the men who run Twitter agree with them. Their homophobia is horrifying, really.

by Anonymousreply 120November 22, 2020 4:11 AM

r120, they're not homophobic but your idol JK is homophobic and transphobic

by Anonymousreply 121November 22, 2020 4:12 AM

[bold] The Huffington Post Prints an Article that States the Mental and Physical Health of Trans Girls Should be Prioritized Over GNC Gay Boys [/bold]

[quote] the most interesting thing about this article is that the author presents a completely callous attitude about the emotional health and even physical safety of effeminate gay boys. It’s not shocking a trans person would hold this view. Human beings put their own before others, it’s just the way it is. It is shocking that The Huffington Post would promote such an anti-gay article.

[quote] Why would we not worry about preventing a gay boy from outgrowing gender dysphoria by putting him on hormone blockers because he was socially transitioned as a 5-year-old child?

[quote] A gnc (gender nonconforming) child that may have grown out of dysphoria would now be sterilized and permanently altered by synthetic hormones. They may not even know they ever could have been happy as a most likely gay, lesbian, bisexual or even non-trans straight adult.

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by Anonymousreply 122November 22, 2020 4:14 AM

R118

Seriously, how can it be allowed?

by Anonymousreply 123November 22, 2020 4:14 AM

r122 = this biased blog I posted misinterpreted a HuffPost article, I'll use it to claim they're against gays when they're actually pro-gay

by Anonymousreply 124November 22, 2020 4:16 AM

Oh I think congress will jump at the chance to fuck over women r7.

The growing equality of women clearly has set off some insanity for anyone to consider removing protections like this.

by Anonymousreply 125November 22, 2020 4:16 AM

The tranny agenda has always been to erase gay men.

by Anonymousreply 126November 22, 2020 4:17 AM

“ I guess all the gays who called conservative homophobes bigots are bad”

If the only argument the gay community had for gay marriage was that the opposing side was bigoted then yes, that would have been bad.

by Anonymousreply 127November 22, 2020 4:18 AM

WRONG R57. This is indeed a large part of why Trump won in 2016. In the two years before that you couldn't turn anywhere without seeing or hearing some mention of Bruce Jenner's trans-formation. With Robyn Roberts and others doing softball interviews. The Chrisssstians freaked out and chose ANYONE besides Clinton...

by Anonymousreply 128November 22, 2020 4:18 AM

r123, Twitter and all of the companies who are supporting the trans agenda are HOMOPHOBIC. Trans IS homophobia! Misogyny is the root of homophobia, hence, their grotesque attacks on women. No one embraces this kind of rigid, regressive, hateful gender ideology unless they hate gender non-conforming people.

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by Anonymousreply 129November 22, 2020 4:19 AM

R129 calls trans people hysterical while engaging in hysterical, untrue arguments.

Supporting trans people is not anti-gay. Most people who support gay rights support trans rights as well, the conservatives who hate gays are also against trans people. The anti-trans idiots don't want to admit they're conservatives so they'll pretend as if hating trans people is liberal or pro-gay when its not.

by Anonymousreply 130November 22, 2020 4:26 AM

R128, that is so dumb. Christians who hate trans people were already going to vote for Trump.

by Anonymousreply 131November 22, 2020 4:27 AM

[quote] The Huffington Post Prints an Article that States the Mental and Physical Health of Trans Girls Should be Prioritized Over GNC Gay Boys

Because they're the same damn thing you transphobic cisf@gg0t!

by Anonymousreply 132November 22, 2020 4:29 AM

R114, following that account before it (inevitably ) gets deleted. Thanks!

by Anonymousreply 133November 22, 2020 4:29 AM

R127, that was our argument and it was a correct one. People who are against gays ARE bigoted and deserve to be labeled as such. So are anti-trans people

by Anonymousreply 134November 22, 2020 4:29 AM

[bold] RE: "Are genital preferences transphobic?" [/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 135November 22, 2020 4:29 AM

R117, the Nazis are people who hate gays and trans people

by Anonymousreply 136November 22, 2020 4:30 AM

I guess YouTube videos are the only argument you have. LOL. Republicans are dumb.

by Anonymousreply 137November 22, 2020 4:30 AM

R134, No Ma’am . That’s trans revisionism just like Marsha P Johnson being the founder of the gay movement.

by Anonymousreply 138November 22, 2020 4:31 AM

r138, if you block it, you find that it's the only "person" defending this homophobic garbage bill.

by Anonymousreply 139November 22, 2020 4:37 AM

R138, I guess telling the truth is "revisionism"

Homophobes are bigots, and we were right to call them that.

Trans people are right to call you a bigot, as well.

by Anonymousreply 140November 22, 2020 4:38 AM

R140, YOU may have. But that’s not how public perceptions changed.

by Anonymousreply 141November 22, 2020 4:39 AM

R114's link to the curatorial site of trans activist rants is like falling down Alice in Wonderland's rabbit hole, only more insane.

Below is one gem that stuck out. Really, there's no debating with people who won't recognise gender.

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by Anonymousreply 142November 22, 2020 4:40 AM

R142 would rather link to TERF and conservative sites.

by Anonymousreply 143November 22, 2020 4:41 AM

Homosexuality is NOT bigotry. The word 'woman' is not bigotry. However, calling homosexual orientations "genital fetishes" is HOMOPHOBIA and describing women as "black birthing bodies" "cervix havers" "chestfeeders" "ovary bearers" is MISOGYNY. The Trans dogma, itself, is BIGOTRY against LGB and all women. You're in a hate group.

by Anonymousreply 144November 22, 2020 4:51 AM

R144, you're the one in a hate group. You're a conservative who makes unfair generalizations about trans people because bring bigoted towards minorities is what conservatives do.

Homophobia is comparing gay marriage to a person marrying an animal like your fellow conservatives did

Homophobia is voting to amend the constitution to discriminate against gays like your fellow conservatives did

Homophobia is saying gay people deserve to die of AIDS like your idol Pat Buchanan did

Homophobia is saying that gays aren't fit to serve in the military like conservatives do

Trans people didn't do those things, conservatives did

by Anonymousreply 145November 22, 2020 4:58 AM

Human can't change sex and women aren't their reproductive organs or bodily functions.

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by Anonymousreply 146November 22, 2020 5:31 AM

It is harder to repeal bad legislation than it is to pass good legislation.

by Anonymousreply 147November 22, 2020 5:46 AM

Luckily Grandpa Joe has galloping dementia and does not know what day it is.

by Anonymousreply 148November 22, 2020 5:46 AM

Even if that were true, R148, how is that an upside.

by Anonymousreply 149November 22, 2020 6:12 AM

I feel like they've all signed a loyalty oath.

by Anonymousreply 150November 22, 2020 6:25 AM

Facts are Forbidden in Transland

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by Anonymousreply 151November 22, 2020 7:01 AM

The anti-gay troll made 40 posts in this thread attacking LGB rights.

by Anonymousreply 152November 22, 2020 7:51 AM

Quoting from a post elsewhere:

Here is how the EA redefines sex.

"(4) SEX.—The term ‘sex’ includes—

“(A) a sex stereotype;

“(B) pregnancy, childbirth, or a related medical condition;

“(C) sexual orientation or gender identity; and

“(D) sex characteristics, including intersex traits.

To make matters worse, the EA defines says that access to sex-specific facilities, programs and provisions should be based on "gender identity" rather than biological sex, and defines "gender identity" as follows:

“(2) GENDER IDENTITY.—The term ‘gender identity’ means the gender-related identity, appearance, mannerisms, or other gender-related characteristics of an individual, regardless of the individual’s designated sex at birth."

This worrying language means that males….acting out their fantasies would have more right to use female spaces, to participate in female sports and to obtain female services like gynecological care, female-only roommates in nursing homes and intimate hospital or home care from female-only aides and nurses than most …. girls and women who do not have a "gender identity" and do not spend [their] lives performing femininity and conforming to regressive sex stereotypes through our "appearance, mannerisms or other gender-related characteristics."

Finally, though this whole bill is built around "gender identity" and the meaning of "gender identity" in turn is dependent on having a clear definition of what the hell "gender" means, nowhere in the EA is "gender" defined. The bill doesn't even attempt to define it!

The EA has to be one of the most poorly-written, confusing, confounding pieces of legislation ever written in the English language. Yet it sailed through the House, 236-173.

by Anonymousreply 153November 22, 2020 8:20 AM

In response to one poster worried about Biden's vow to pass the Equality Act within 100 days of taking office, the r148 trans-activist said,

[quote] Luckily Grandpa Joe has galloping dementia and does not know what day it is

Why is that “luckily” r148? What group is that “lucky” for?

by Anonymousreply 154November 22, 2020 2:10 PM

The "all the things you guys say about trans are things conservatives say about gays" argument doesn't work here. Conservatives oppose gays because of religious reasons, that is literally the only reason. Chances are if you're not a jesus freak or you didn't grow up a jesus freak then you don't hate gay people. However, the reasons gay people hate trans people are directly tied to how they are negatively impacting our own identity. They have taken over our community and our civil rights movement, hijacked the discussions and made themselves the center of the acronym LGBT, and pushed gay men to the back (some even claiming that gay men are the least oppressed minority). They've been working to pass legislation that allows a parent to force gay children to transition into women if that parent doesn't agree with homosexuality. They've manipulated charity groups so that money to would go to causes like fighting homophobic laws in other countries now goes exclusively to trans people.

Conservatives hating gays and gays hating trans people are not comparable in the slightest. Gay people only affect conservatives by challenging what their religion tells them is right. Trans people affect gay people by actively working to oppress us and turn our fight for civil rights into something they can use for their own benefit. The only way conservatives hating gays and gays hating trans people are comparable is that they both center around hate, but sometimes it's okay to hate someone when that someone is actively trying to erase who you are and your community's civil rights battles for their own personal gain.

by Anonymousreply 155November 22, 2020 2:28 PM

Nearly every post on here is written by just two people.

How weird

by Anonymousreply 156November 22, 2020 2:35 PM

Some appropriate soundtrack music.

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by Anonymousreply 157November 22, 2020 3:26 PM

...........

by Anonymousreply 158November 22, 2020 4:07 PM

So will this actually allow all men to barge into all women's bathrooms every time they want to pee or perv??

Would this bill passage instantly allow any teenage boy or grown man to go into the women's locker room at 24 Hour Fitness and just sit there to enjoy the disrobing and showering?

Could a just-convicted rapist simply verbalize, "I'm a gal...put me in that cell with those women for the next 10 years, not in a men's prison please."??

Do a million legal protections then have to get enacted so these examples don't occur?? Businesses allowed to make enforceable bathroom rules? Jails and prisons and hospitals can create a different set of legally enforced guidelines??

by Anonymousreply 159November 22, 2020 4:38 PM

Everywhere the Trans goes discord and lunacy follow.

Drop the T.

by Anonymousreply 160November 22, 2020 4:48 PM

The trans movement:

[quote]has been [italic]devastatingly[/italic] successful at convincing the majority of left-leaning people that [italic]anyone[/italic] who raises concerns about the trans rights movement is motivated by nothing but pure baseless bigotry and spite, and that there are no legitimate questions or concerns that need to be given full public consideration before they start determining public policy

The trans loon on this thread does not debate any issue raised. The trans loon has one, and only one, tactic— to repeat, over and over the following accusations: “You’re just recycling/parroting/regurgitating:

“right-wing talking points”

“Republican talking points”

“freeper talking points”

Or: “You are a Nazi/Milo clone/conservative/TERF/transphobe.” That’s about the extent of this troll's argumentation.

The supposedly horrible thing JK Rowling said was simply this: I know and love many transwomen and I support trans people's rights to fully live their lives as they wish, but transwomen are not women.

by Anonymousreply 161November 22, 2020 5:42 PM

r159, Yes, all of those things will now be protected in law and many of them are actually already legal through stealth legislation. In other countries where this has already been allowed to happen and in our own prisons where this has been enacted, as one might expect, the number of rapes and other assaults against women have sky rocketed. Additionally, in Canada, it is now impossible to get any crime/health data (and other data more important to women like equal pay and domestic violence) that is of any use whatsoever because its no longer broken down by sex but by gender feels. Per the FBI, Gay men are still victims of the most hate crimes of any group in the country. 4 women a day are murdered by men, in the US. So, it's not a hate crime to assault or kill a woman for being female, despite murder being the number one cause of death of pregnant women, but it will be a hate crime to misgender a man who claims he's a woman.

by Anonymousreply 162November 22, 2020 7:38 PM

Most sensical gays started arranging plans to flee the country the second Trump pushed through that new judge at the last minute. I suggest those who haven't gotten their ducks in a line by now do it ASAP. America is not a safe place to be a gay man right now.

by Anonymousreply 163November 22, 2020 7:40 PM

r163, what about the entire generation of gay boys who are being castrated and forced to live as girls?

by Anonymousreply 164November 22, 2020 7:46 PM

[quote]A big part of the reason why average liberal Democrats are going along with this trans monstrosity is because of the LGB before the T. They think T has to do with sexual orientation (or something) and that all gay people and trans are the same thing, with the trans just being "extra gay".

Bingo r36, which is why the trans latched onto the LGB, because they knew this would be an easy bandwagon to slip their goals through without anyone noticing. It's also why the straights go along with the trans nonsense, because they fear they'll be seen as anti-gay if they say "hold on a minute, this doesn't sound right". This is why the LGB in particular need to speak out against this monstrosity.

by Anonymousreply 165November 22, 2020 8:32 PM

R165, with a complete media blackout, vast corporate sponsorship and the Democrats all having signed what seem to be loyalty oaths to the Trans Industry, how are we supposed to bring awareness to the fact that LGB does not support this at all?

by Anonymousreply 166November 22, 2020 10:16 PM

People who pay attention know that LGB don't support this. The ones that don't have their heads in the sand.

by Anonymousreply 167November 22, 2020 10:25 PM

R119, Rowling didn't say anything bigoted, you misogynist. She said women menstruate - which is a fact. Only women menstruate - that is also a fact.

She has stood up for same-sex attraction, while trans activists attack it. She has brought attention to the way in which the transitioning of young people is often used as a form of gay conversion therapy. So, fuck you, you misogynistic, homophobic bigot.

by Anonymousreply 168November 22, 2020 10:31 PM

I really do not understand how any gay person is supporting gay genocide or attacking anyone who stands up for gay rights and biological facts.

by Anonymousreply 169November 22, 2020 10:34 PM

R166, I dunno, I'm not American, I'm from the UK. Can you meet with your senator, the way we can meet our MPs? In the meantime, tell all the straights you know that we gays don't support this gender identity nonsense and we're attracted to our own sex, not gender. Support the few voices that are speaking out publicly, be active online. Keep informed about developments on the trans nonsense around the world.

by Anonymousreply 170November 22, 2020 10:37 PM

Yes you can, R170. Call your senator. Check out “coffee talks” too if your senator has one.

by Anonymousreply 171November 22, 2020 10:41 PM

R170, no, we can’t meet with Senators. A lot of them even keep their phones turned off so you can’t leave messages and, when they do have someone answer, there’s no way to know if the info you share actually gets to them. Writing to them results in form letters being sent back. The only way to have a voice is through lobbying groups and in the US, as elsewhere, all of the former gay rights groups have been taken over by the Trans Industry. With social media censoring all discussion in opposition, the only real option is huge letter writing and phone campaigns with enough people participating that their opinions can’t be ignored. But how do you get the information to the people who agree when there is a social media and regular media blackout?

by Anonymousreply 172November 22, 2020 10:41 PM

R171, I don’t know anything about “coffee talks”-?

by Anonymousreply 173November 22, 2020 10:42 PM

“ Would this bill passage instantly allow any teenage boy or grown man to go into the women's locker room at 24 Hour Fitness and just sit there to enjoy the disrobing and showering?”

R159 by this logic you would have gay men banned from gyms because they could ‘just sit there to enjoy the disrobing and showering?’. Which is so patronizing to women because the subtext of your point is that you feel women as victims but not men.

And yes I will agree with other posters, you ATLs (anti trans loons) are all aligned with right wing philosophy. And you’re helping to further their cause. Round of applause.

by Anonymousreply 174November 22, 2020 10:43 PM

Trans women are NOT women!

by Anonymousreply 175November 22, 2020 10:45 PM

I’ll believe trans “women“ are women when I see one get pregnant and have an abortion.

by Anonymousreply 176November 22, 2020 10:48 PM
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by Anonymousreply 177November 22, 2020 10:49 PM

[quote] … no, we can’t meet with Senators…

The politicians in my country HATE meeting the voters. It's much more comfortable for them to follow the ratbags on Twitter than meet a genuine ordinary voter.

by Anonymousreply 178November 22, 2020 10:51 PM

R177, I’ve heard really bad things about how he pandered and lied to black constituents and then voted without hesitation against them.

by Anonymousreply 179November 22, 2020 10:54 PM

It’s an example. Just google “coffee with my senator”.

by Anonymousreply 180November 22, 2020 10:54 PM

Typical tranny: constantly brags about being " a strong, brave woman", yet, unemployed & lives off disability checks, food stamps & "Go Fund Me" accounts.

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by Anonymousreply 181November 22, 2020 10:55 PM

R181, shudder

by Anonymousreply 182November 22, 2020 10:56 PM

Buzz, your girlfriend ... woof!

by Anonymousreply 183November 22, 2020 10:59 PM

R174 has no idea what it means to be a woman. He thinks if he says "right wing" enough times then we'll have to accept that lesbians have penises.

by Anonymousreply 184November 22, 2020 11:09 PM

More from our lovely Manchelle, what a glamorous life she leads!

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by Anonymousreply 185November 22, 2020 11:21 PM

Oh look! OP's post is grayed out ... ! Typical.

by Anonymousreply 186November 22, 2020 11:40 PM

Of course they mostly look like bitchy fat girls instead of the ideal of a Barbie doll come to life.

by Anonymousreply 187November 22, 2020 11:42 PM

Gotta wonder why posts about Gay Rights are being censored on a gay website, made by gay people for gay people to discuss topics of gay interest like maintaining our civil rights.

by Anonymousreply 188November 22, 2020 11:43 PM

The OP, again:

[quote] People aren't talking nearly enough about the Equality Act that Biden says he'll enact within 100 days of taking office.

[quote] This act changes the definition of "sex" in the 1964 Civil Rights Act to include "gender identity." This will make all sex-based rights impossible to enforce.

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by Anonymousreply 189November 22, 2020 11:45 PM

Women’s rights are toast, too, if this passes.

by Anonymousreply 190November 22, 2020 11:46 PM

I am really disgusted that Muriel is allowing these anti-gay bigots to continue squelching discussion of subjects this important to us.

by Anonymousreply 191November 22, 2020 11:49 PM

OP isn't grayed out.

by Anonymousreply 192November 23, 2020 1:43 AM

r192, it was.

by Anonymousreply 193November 23, 2020 1:57 AM

It's greyed-out for me. And I'm in Australia!

by Anonymousreply 194November 23, 2020 3:39 AM

It's greyed out for me again.

by Anonymousreply 195November 23, 2020 3:54 AM

[quote]All the things you trolls are saying about trans people are things conservatives said about gays.

I highly doubt that conservatives were accusing us of feeding kids puberty blockers.

But yes, we should just blindly accept what another group is trying to do because someone talked shit about us in the past.

Thanks again for your valuable input, False Equivalence Troll.

by Anonymousreply 196November 23, 2020 5:53 AM

R196 mmmmm gay-straight conversion camps? You make this very easy.

by Anonymousreply 197November 23, 2020 7:25 AM

If you switch out sex for gender, sex rights for women disappear, as does same sex attraction. What this means is gays and lesbians cease to exist. This is dangerous, very dangerous. It needs to be taken seriously. Time to roll up your sleeves and fight for our rights.

by Anonymousreply 198November 23, 2020 7:47 AM

R31 We are fighting our fight on two fronts: 1. erasing sex means erasing same sex attraction so lesbians and gay men cease to exist. 2. allowing transing kids means allowing transing GAY children, children who would otherwise grow up to be fully functional gay and lesbian adults. It's literally gay conversion therapy.

by Anonymousreply 199November 23, 2020 7:51 AM

R188 Because the TRAs and their supporters hate logic and opposing views. They shut down all discussion, as usual. The only way to get their point across is to silence others.

by Anonymousreply 200November 23, 2020 7:53 AM

We lost a real hero in Magdalen Berns.

by Anonymousreply 201November 23, 2020 8:12 AM

R172 Please consider contributing to LGB alliance. They work hard for LGB rights, unlike all other LGBT oganizations that just care about trans rights.

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by Anonymousreply 202November 23, 2020 8:41 AM

Trannys are mentally ill freaks for sure, but a s gay man I don't see them as any threat ...just a disgusting sick mess. And it's not a surprised that so many trannys get murdered by straight men. What tragic losers they are.

by Anonymousreply 203November 23, 2020 8:51 AM

[quote] It's literally gay conversion therapy.

Bring it on. Anything to rid the world of transphobic cisf@gs like you who won’t fuck my manpussy.

by Anonymousreply 204November 23, 2020 10:39 AM

To undo the gray out, you need to WW the OP.

by Anonymousreply 205November 23, 2020 12:47 PM

R203 They are a threat to us, in the sense that they are trying to undo our civil rights and take over our community.

by Anonymousreply 206November 23, 2020 12:53 PM

“ Let us say unequivocally that the statements of newly launched organisations that seek to defend biology or fight gender identity and expression do not represent the wider LGBTI+ community nor feminists in Ireland. More importantly, they are not organisations at all, they have no governance, no accountability, and are simply Twitter accounts.”

“ In summation they stand against trans, women’s and gay rights by aligning themselves with far right tropes and stances.”

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by Anonymousreply 207November 23, 2020 4:28 PM

Anything that calls itself LGBTI+ doesn't represent me in any way, r207.

by Anonymousreply 208November 23, 2020 4:35 PM

Tr-nscult misogynists and homophobes do not speak for gays and women. We will not be intimidated by your pseudoscientific quackery. We will not be intimidated by your pseudo-intellectual double-talk. We will not be intimidated by attempts to defame progressive voices silenced for speaking out against tr-ns propaganda as “right wing.” And we will most definitely not stand idly by while future generations of gay people are put at risk of sterilization.

And that vandalism of the gay pride flag constitutes a hate crime in and of itself.

by Anonymousreply 209November 23, 2020 4:46 PM

R209 dial down the hysterics it would be more believable. Didn’t you run this by the committee of you and the other two people on Twitter that set up all these fake ‘LGB Alliance’ accounts?

by Anonymousreply 210November 23, 2020 5:37 PM

“Hysterics” is a sexist slur. The bigotry never stops with the tr-ns cultists, from rebranding the emasculation of Gay Black Men as a civil rights movement to the open celebration of violence against women.

by Anonymousreply 211November 23, 2020 5:41 PM

^^ Is this bitch for real?

You need to go for a walk or something and get off Twitter it’s not good for you. Go talk to your family or friends (if u have any) about something other than ‘TR-NS’ (lol) and turn your life around. Because you’re going in the wrong direction.

by Anonymousreply 212November 23, 2020 6:10 PM

It's probably Matt, r212, and yeah, he's for real, not to mention more than a little bigoted and mentally ... confused. All you can do is shake your head and walk away and hope he gets help.

by Anonymousreply 213November 23, 2020 6:35 PM

I will not be lectured by a misogynistic homophobic xenophobe who is too lazy to spell out the word you.

by Anonymousreply 214November 23, 2020 7:02 PM

There was a recent Jezehell article on plans to make misogyny a hate crime in the UK. At a bare minimum, you would expect the commenters on a feminist website to welcome this news. Instead, the very first comment was that this was worrying, because the UK is transphobic and this law might be used to oppress trans "women".

SJWs are beyond parody at this point. They don't seem to understand that they've gone so far to the left that they've swung all the way around back to the right. The criticism Jezehell launched at Pete Buttigieg for not being LGBTQRSTUV enough is a prime example - why did they single him out? Why didn't they publish articles about how Kamala and her husband aren't the right sort of "straight"?

by Anonymousreply 215November 23, 2020 10:27 PM

R215 I’m not saying I agree with all those takedowns but you can’t recognize the inherent contradiction in a gay man supposedly representing gay interests that’s very publicly Christian? And I don’t mean spiritual I mean subscribing to Christian organizations within the US. Now c’mon now.

by Anonymousreply 216November 24, 2020 12:07 AM

There was apparently a toddler’s genderqueer-coming-out party at a church recently. It’s making the rounds online.

Tim Dillon summed it up thusly:

[quote] The video of the toddler being forced to come out to a room full of people in a weird church setting is incredibly uncomfortable to watch. It’s not at all how sexuality/gender identity should develop. It’s clearly performative for the mother. @kittypurrzog agrees with me

Katie Herzog, formerly of The Stranger (Seattle), follows up:

[quote] Definitely. The only thing toddlers should be forced to do is pageants.

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by Anonymousreply 217November 24, 2020 12:18 AM

These children are like vegan cats: you know somebody else is calling the shots here.

by Anonymousreply 218November 24, 2020 1:13 AM

R217 That toddler’s genderqueer-coming-out party can be seen here at 23 November

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by Anonymousreply 219November 24, 2020 2:07 AM

This is child abuse. After this, only gay men and lesbians should be allowed anywhere near children.

by Anonymousreply 220November 24, 2020 11:21 AM

73-year-old Irish "TERF" goes viral on Twitter:

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by Anonymousreply 221November 24, 2020 10:28 PM

Good for her.

by Anonymousreply 222November 25, 2020 7:54 PM

Notice how bisexuals, especially bisexual men NEVER EVER help LG to fight off the TQ's?!? Mainly because they are too preoccupied fucking the TQ's.

by Anonymousreply 223December 4, 2020 10:45 AM

Notice how bisexuals, especially bisexual men NEVER EVER help LG to fight off the TQ's?!? Mainly because they are too preoccupied fucking the TQ's.

by Anonymousreply 224December 4, 2020 10:45 AM

R223/224 that’s the last comment that needed to be a double post. Get your shit together.

by Anonymousreply 225December 4, 2020 5:59 PM

R225: Datalounge posted it twice. And secondly, don't avoid the truth. Bisexuals don't do anything to help LG! Not in the past, and definitely not in the present! They just wait for LG to do everything, or fuck TQ+ like everything doesn't matter!

You get your shit together bisexual worshipper!

by Anonymousreply 226December 4, 2020 6:05 PM

It bears repeating.

by Anonymousreply 227December 4, 2020 6:36 PM

R226 ok whatever about our disagreements you can’t present something as unquantifiable as “bisexuals don’t help LG in the fight against TQ” as either being ‘truth’ or ‘lies’. It’s impossible. I never said anything about bisexuals in my post so I don’t know where your worshipper comment came from. Now I can only explain this I can’t make you understand, if you don’t have the mental capacity to do so. But you do come across a tad (very) hysterical. Which makes people less likely to take you seriously. You seem like, meth addled or something.

by Anonymousreply 228December 4, 2020 8:15 PM

Don’t say goodbye, don’t turn away, it doesn’t have to end today!

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by Anonymousreply 229December 6, 2020 5:39 AM

BTQ+ are a disease, and extremely homophobic. Always were, always have been, always will be. Gay people that support BTQ+ after all the fuckery they've inflicted in the past and still inflict in the present at the expense of LG; have Stockholm Syndrome.

by Anonymousreply 230December 6, 2020 6:47 AM

I’ll have a double BTQ with a Diet Coke! Don’t worry I brought tums and rolaids for after since we know the drama one of those can cause on your stomach!

by Anonymousreply 231December 7, 2020 12:12 AM

If you hate Trump so much that you are willing to sacrifice the existence of gays to get him out of office, then you have gay and lesbian blood on your hands.

by Anonymousreply 232December 12, 2020 5:18 AM

RIP homosexuality

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by Anonymousreply 233January 20, 2021 11:50 PM

Interesting almost seemingly deliberate choice, R233.

by Anonymousreply 234January 21, 2021 12:09 AM

Primetime is finally over?

by Anonymousreply 235January 21, 2021 12:35 AM

Is society more comfortable with trans than gays? I know places like Iran certainly seem way more comfortable I’m curious if Americans are more comfortable or just a little more comfortable around trans people.

by Anonymousreply 236January 21, 2021 12:45 AM

Goodbye to you, goodbye to everything I thought I knew!

by Anonymousreply 237January 21, 2021 12:54 AM

I must say that it took decades and decades and decades for a gay person get appointed to any cabinet position but a trans person just kinda shot right to the top, and in the most peculiar position too. Trans has only been on the scene (prominently) since gay marriage was legalized.

by Anonymousreply 238January 21, 2021 1:02 AM

To be fair DL fav Buttigieg will be secretary, but sure.

by Anonymousreply 239January 21, 2021 1:04 AM

R238 the general acceptance of LGBT people has happened concurrently - it’s not a race between the factions - you’re being silly. Trans people aren’t a threat to gay people can we leave this nonsense behind?

by Anonymousreply 240January 21, 2021 3:34 AM

[quote]Trans people aren’t a threat to gay people...

Famous last words.

by Anonymousreply 241January 21, 2021 3:35 AM

R241 girl get it together.

by Anonymousreply 242January 21, 2021 4:16 AM

We can say goodbye to women's rights and gay rights now. If it's all defined by gender instead of sex, that mens same sex rights and female sex based rights are gone.

by Anonymousreply 243January 21, 2021 8:51 AM

What a hateful, hateful thread.

by Anonymousreply 244January 21, 2021 8:55 AM

R236 Of course they are. It's better to be a fake woman than a gay sissy, didn't you know? Lots of people are still homophobic yet seem to have no issue with trans. In fact, parents of trans children push transitioning because they don't want their kids to be gay. Literally saw a tiktok of a trans woman saying her dad called her a faggot when she identified as gay. Then she transitioned and now he's accepting. She even said that he told her he'd rather have a daughter than a gay son. This isn't a single case. It happens everywhere. Ask yourself why butch lesbians and femme gay men would rather transition than be gender non-confirming. Society is still very homophobic but trans people are accepted.

by Anonymousreply 245January 21, 2021 8:56 AM

[quote]In fact, parents of trans children push transitioning because they don't want their kids to be gay.

In fact, parents of trans children make every effort to listen to their children and want, more than anything in the world, for their children to find a happy, fulfilling life.

Just as there are many forms of sexual identity, there are many types of parents.

by Anonymousreply 246January 21, 2021 9:24 AM

[quote]In fact, parents of trans children make every effort to listen to their children and want, more than anything in the world, for their children to find a happy, fulfilling life.

[quote]Literally saw a tiktok of a trans woman saying her dad called her a faggot when she identified as gay. Then she transitioned and now he's accepting.

by Anonymousreply 247January 21, 2021 12:16 PM

This will divide gays. The gays that support this will live stifled lives subordinate to trans and the majority who view them as freaks, and they’ll be fine about that. The gays who do not support this will segregate (hopefully) and go underground.

by Anonymousreply 248January 21, 2021 12:33 PM

Say goodbye to women's rights too, OP. It's not only gay rights on the line here.

by Anonymousreply 249January 21, 2021 2:09 PM

“Literally saw a tiktok”

This is so embarrassing for you that you wrote this collection of words together. Learn from this R245.

R236 lgbt kids all suffer similar versions of the same kinds of discrimination. If trans peoples life expectancies are taken into account - and the lived experience that many of them live on the margins of society, it’s clear that society does have a problem with trans people. Look at the psychos on this thread. And they’re (supposedly) also members of the same community.

by Anonymousreply 250January 21, 2021 3:49 PM

[quote] a trans woman saying her dad called her a faggot when she identified as gay.

And I think you should learn from this, R250.

by Anonymousreply 251January 21, 2021 4:02 PM

R251 what are the odds that if we were to see this video, some critical but intentionally disregarded information would become immediately obvious that the dads initial reaction was to any kind of lgbt attribute, and that he changed over time to accept her, and that had she not been trans he would similarly have come to accept the persons homosexuality?

And even if that wasn’t the case, if I wanted to prove any dumb theory I could probably find a tweet or a tiktok to affirm it - doesn’t mean it’s true or correct. This was such a mistake on the part of actual media, to start using Twitter as a source. Gives dopee like you the sensation of having proved a point when all you’re doing is retweeting some other idiot.

by Anonymousreply 252January 21, 2021 4:50 PM

R252, did you miss this part?

[quote]Then she transitioned and now he's accepting.

You’re being deliberately obtuse. I’m done with you, you trollish, homophobic, pos.

by Anonymousreply 253January 21, 2021 7:09 PM

So what the hell happened here? Did this become a reality and now our rights are at the brink of collapsing?

It's trending all over twitter but the hashtag is full of homophobic and misogynist people.

by Anonymousreply 254January 21, 2021 7:30 PM

Gay Erasure

by Anonymousreply 255January 21, 2021 7:39 PM

Trannies are like Republicans when they screech about what you’re allegedly doing to them, like “they’re erasing us!!!”, that’s what they’re going to do to you.

by Anonymousreply 256January 21, 2021 7:40 PM

R253 time passed and he accepted her for who she is after initial displeasure. Wow i wonder has any gay person gone thru that. Let’s see this vid then. And my other point still stands re unverified (and as yet unposted) sources. You’re basing your whole position on some video that we haven’t even seen lol. And I’m supposedly the one being obtuse?

by Anonymousreply 257January 21, 2021 7:47 PM

I'm following the twitter thread. The hashtag is #BidenErasedWomen. I take it with a grain of salt when people post their thoughts anonymously.

by Anonymousreply 258January 21, 2021 8:04 PM

FWIW this “trans rights destroy gay rights” is giving me very strong “gay marriage will destroy traditional marriage” vibes.

by Anonymousreply 259January 21, 2021 8:29 PM

R259 , except Gay Marriage gave rights to err... Gay men and women.

by Anonymousreply 260January 21, 2021 8:32 PM

Trans “rights” actually gives power to parents, doctors and society to quite literally destroy gays, lesbians and bi people.

by Anonymousreply 261January 21, 2021 8:41 PM

[quote]Trans “rights” actually gives power to parents, doctors and society to quite literally destroy gays, lesbians and bi people.

These same individuals who defend this, don’t defend the “pray away the gay”. They’re against that but they’re for this.

by Anonymousreply 262January 21, 2021 8:43 PM

R260 are you okay? You can’t make sense of that really?

R261 you’re crazy. By that logic parents acknowledging their children’s authenticity when they are gay “destroys straight people”. You realize how silly you sound right? If someone is authentically trans then that’s what they are. Someone living as their authentic identity doesn’t destroy a previous valid identity it just takes away whatever artifice they were previously living under. Jesus you people.

by Anonymousreply 263January 21, 2021 8:45 PM

R262 have they done “Pray Away the Transition”?

by Anonymousreply 264January 21, 2021 8:45 PM

R263 you ask any gay man born before 2000, if they ever thought they actually wanted to have their penis surgically removed and have a vagina created and it would be a insanely minuscule amount or that they were an actual woman. Nope.

by Anonymousreply 265January 21, 2021 8:49 PM

R263 not the same, Gays just happen for millions of years, trans are made

by Anonymousreply 266January 21, 2021 8:50 PM

R264, Transitioning is just the left wing version of “pray away the gay” except it’s way more extreme. I wish they’d legalize it again, at least give self-loathing gays and homophobic parents and activist doctors and healthcare practitioners a choice. “Pray away” is damaging albeit “safer”. You’re not hacking off body parts or taking hormones and blockers which destroy your endocrine system. With therapy, you can hopefully repair the mental and spiritual damage done from “pray away the gay”. The other is permanent. But pharm companies, doctors, and even parents are going to be slapped with major law suits in the next 20 years. It’ll be fun and sad to watch.

by Anonymousreply 267January 21, 2021 8:52 PM

[quote]But pharm companies, doctors, and even parents are going to be slapped with major law suits in the next 20 years. It’ll be fun and sad to watch.

Hopefully these gays and lesbians make millions and millions. But is all that money worth it in the end? You’re still sterile. You’re still castrated or without breasts...or a mangled vagina.

by Anonymousreply 268January 21, 2021 8:56 PM

R265 you’re not getting it. Trans women are not gay men. Two different things. If you wanted to read about trans peoples’ existence in the totality of human history go ahead. It’s not their fault that better medical options are available now - it doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy afoot. Calm down.

Since you mentioned ‘minuscule numbers’ in 2019 there were approx 11,000 gender affirming surgeries were performed. This is not just sex organ surgeries but any and all surgeries, so facial surgeries, top surgeries, liposuction for gender reasons etc etc. it also is likely that some people had more than one so the amount of patients is fewer than this number. Let’s settled on 8000 - this means 0.002% (or 1 in every 41,250 or so) of people in the US in 2019 had any type of gender surgery. And prob only 20% of those were any form of bottom surgery. I think it’s maybe a tad less “trendy” that your Twitter threads would tell you right? It’s so easy with numbers to prove this anti trans bullshit for what it is. Le sigh.

by Anonymousreply 269January 21, 2021 9:01 PM

Are you trans R269?

by Anonymousreply 270January 21, 2021 9:03 PM

Are these surgeries covered under insurance or is it considered cosmetic? If covered, is this tax payer’s money? Please forgive...I don’t know myself.

by Anonymousreply 271January 21, 2021 9:07 PM

R263, no, it appears you cannot make sense of it. Then again, I wouldn't expect a homophobe to understand Gay Rights.

by Anonymousreply 272January 21, 2021 9:10 PM

I feel like I am a cat. When will the science and civil rights support my Transpecies journey?

by Anonymousreply 273January 21, 2021 9:11 PM

Stay off our TERF!

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by Anonymousreply 274January 21, 2021 9:21 PM

R270 I’m not. I possess enough critical awareness to realize that just as gay people were not lying about their sexual orientation and deserve respect and rights, trans people are not lying about their gender identity. I also have some trans friends (I’m guessing most of you don’t) and understand that their struggle for rights does not deny me of mine. I also can see that the people that deny their rights are the same that would deny me mine, and that there is a commonality as such. The mouth breathers on here - Oracle etc don’t realize that they’re just conservative traditionalist shills, spouting the same anti gay arguments that were used against them, but just against trans people, i feel badly for them but they’re damaging other people not just themselves.

by Anonymousreply 275January 21, 2021 9:24 PM

R275 the issue is not ADULTS trans’ing themselves. How do you feel about pre-teens beginning transitioning?

by Anonymousreply 276January 21, 2021 9:29 PM

[quote]The mouth breathers on here - Oracle etc don’t realize that they’re just conservative traditionalist shills, spouting the same anti gay arguments that were used against them, but just against trans people, i feel badly for them but they’re damaging other people not just themselves.

R275, you are a conservative homophobe. Don't twist yourself into a pretzel trying to justify your point of view. You wouldn't be the first homophobe that posts on DL. Own your conservatism and homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 277January 21, 2021 9:32 PM

R276 no the thread is about trans rights. If you wanted to talk about pre-teen medical transitioning I would at least have expected some mention of territory or something to add context or detail since it’s cruci—- are you taking this down?

by Anonymousreply 278January 21, 2021 9:42 PM

R278 deflecting much?

How do you feel about? Come on, tell us. Do you support children transitioning, taking medications and having surgeries? Tell us, Sis.

by Anonymousreply 279January 21, 2021 9:45 PM

R279 I’m not deflecting, you’re moving the goalposts. It’s not my responsibility you’re losing the argument. I also can’t help but notice that nobody countered my stats on surgeries even tho the conversation had drifted that way. Inconvenient truth I suppose.

by Anonymousreply 280January 21, 2021 9:49 PM

R280 moving goalposts? The topic of Trans’ing kids is a very relevant part of the Trans Right movement. You obviously can’t answer the question because you know you’re wrong.

by Anonymousreply 281January 21, 2021 9:54 PM

R281 as I said before your question is extremely detailed and changes depending on territory - I know what you’re trying to do but it isn’t going to work. Trans rights don’t detract from gay rights, it’s been evidently and reasonably shown so I’m chalking this down as u losing the argument - this is ur clutching at straws moment I get it. I have other things to do with my afternoon so I’m not replying hereafter. Start a separate thread if u wish maybe I’ll stop by it. But only if you bring the detailed information that goes along with that discussion ok?

by Anonymousreply 282January 21, 2021 10:04 PM

[quote] (I’m guessing most of you don’t) and understand that their struggle for rights does not deny me of mine.

Neither do ex-gays. They exist too but their “transitioning” is illegal now. Sad, isn’t it? If you claim trans exist, then so do “ex-gays”.

by Anonymousreply 283January 21, 2021 10:13 PM
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by Anonymousreply 284January 21, 2021 10:15 PM

I think ex-gays and trans should join each other and create “XGT” or something like that.

by Anonymousreply 285January 21, 2021 10:17 PM

R282 is to LGB children as Armie Hammer is to women with Anorexia Nervosa

by Anonymousreply 286January 21, 2021 10:19 PM

OP is crossed out? We can't even discuss the topic on a gay forum?

by Anonymousreply 287January 21, 2021 11:28 PM

Oh course, R287. The majority here support the trans movement here. It’s a far-left site. They don’t post, they just FF. That’s okay—you just speak with your vote in 2022. Threads about this topic are not important. Your vote is what’s important.

by Anonymousreply 288January 21, 2021 11:36 PM

EVERYONE WW OP

by Anonymousreply 289January 21, 2021 11:37 PM

[quote] It’s a far-left site

Are you suggesting that the "far-left" do nothing but Cancel?

by Anonymousreply 290January 21, 2021 11:52 PM

That’s really all they do.

by Anonymousreply 291January 21, 2021 11:55 PM

R280 you didn’t post any “stats” on gender affirming surgeries. You posted one number, and the rest of your post is speculation. Nor do you mention anything about hormone treatment.

The blisteringly rapid rise of trans prominence is baffling. It’s almost as if there was lots of money behind it and in front of it.

Have you ever ejaculated? If so, you ain’t a woman, sweet pea.

by Anonymousreply 292January 22, 2021 2:45 PM

Datalounge isn't even close to a far-left site.

Ask yourselves why these anti-trans trolls who claim to care about gay rights are telling you to vote Republican.

by Anonymousreply 293January 22, 2021 2:54 PM

Ummmm R292 the statistics are based on the amount of gender affirming surgeries performed in the US in 2019 so that’s actually exactly what I posted. Do you know what speculation means? I know you feel like you need to comment but if your brain isn’t working properly leave it to someone else.

by Anonymousreply 294January 22, 2021 5:07 PM

R294, why is transgender real but transracial not? What are your definitions of man and woman? Oh, I know, I'm moving the goal posts by asking you simple questions you won't answer because the only answers you can give completely contradict all your arguments that humans can change sex, right? Same as it ever was.

by Anonymousreply 295January 22, 2021 6:36 PM

R295 now you set yourself up for this with your own language. ‘Transgender’ ‘change sex’. Now you go along and figure out the difference between gender and sex on your own. I don’t have high hopes for you, you seem a little dumb(to be frank).

by Anonymousreply 296January 22, 2021 7:03 PM

Is trans based on truly "changing sex?" I thought it was the idea that your "inside doesn't match your outside" - sexual "spirit" doesn't match your actual physical sex. Thus the change (if one chooses to go that route) is an attempt get the inside and outside closer together - while most would understand that this isn't the same as actually being born the desired sex. It doesn't sound like a fun time at all.

by Anonymousreply 297January 23, 2021 12:23 AM

[quote]why is transgender real

Why is transgender real and ex-gay not?

by Anonymousreply 298January 23, 2021 3:17 AM

Joe Biden has a queer granddaughter, Kamala Harris has a queer stepdaughter, so they’re going by their family experience s

by Anonymousreply 299January 23, 2021 3:46 AM

What is queer exactly?

by Anonymousreply 300January 23, 2021 3:53 AM

They are dabblng in queer, fashionably.

by Anonymousreply 301January 23, 2021 3:54 AM

But what is queer? I still don’t know what it is.

by Anonymousreply 302January 23, 2021 3:57 AM

R296, moron, they call themselves transgender so that's how I refer to them. They claim to change sex. Do you have an actual point other than to not answer the simple questions yet again?

But, since you asked:

Sex - dichotomous human condition of male and female based on chromosomes and gamete production along with secondary sex characteristics based on hormones produced by either the uterus and ovaries in females or the testes in males.

Gender - the social construct on a masculine/feminine spectrum whereby certain traits are assigned to males or females based on historical or societal stereotypes.

Your turn. Why is transgender considered real but transracial is not? How do you define a man or woman?

Again, I know you won't answer because you can't without sinking everything you claim to believe in.

by Anonymousreply 303January 23, 2021 4:00 AM

Are the people at R284 all trans?

by Anonymousreply 304January 23, 2021 4:02 AM

[quote] They claim to change sex.

But they refuse to remove their penis.

by Anonymousreply 305January 23, 2021 4:47 AM

R303 honestly your answer is in your own comment, you’re thiiiiis close to getting it. Look at the word ‘transgender’ closely, concentrate, and then read your descriptor of ‘gender’. Maybe there will be a eureka moment, I won’t hold my breath!

by Anonymousreply 306January 23, 2021 5:40 AM

R306, it's pathetic that you simply can't answer these very simple and straightforward questions.

You need to read both definitions of sex and gender, dear. I know the transtapo has spent over a decade trying to pretend those words are interchangeable but they aren't. Sex is a concrete binary biological fact. Gender is a mutable social construct. The obvious way you and all the other members of the transtapo continue to deflect deflect deflect instead of answering TWO very simple questions is beyond hilarious. Hell, just answer one of them. Do you think you can handle that much? Go ahead and confer with friends if you need help.

But, again, I know you won't.

by Anonymousreply 307January 23, 2021 6:53 AM

OP has over 40 likes yet is still lined out. How does that work?

by Anonymousreply 308January 23, 2021 11:28 AM

R306, I'm not R303, but could you please explain the difference between being transgender and being transracial? Why is one valid and the other isn't?

by Anonymousreply 309January 23, 2021 2:41 PM

R309 i think the point r306 is making is that, although one cannot change one’s biological race, OR one’s bio sex, nevertheless one can change one’s gender, by adopting a gender appearance that more closely conforms to the way one feels psychologically. Hence the word “transgender.”

But one cannot change sex—no matter how feminine one looks like, the attached testes will continue producing sperm, which are the human male reproductive cells. Upon male arousal and orgasm, the sperm come spurting out and whoops.

And if nearby ova become inseminated, then again whoops, baby makes three. Which is why it is a very very bad idea to put intact male criminal offenders near females.

Hope I didn’t mess this up, I’ve lost track of who’s on which side of the tennis net by now.

by Anonymousreply 310January 23, 2021 4:43 PM

But R310, if gender identity is valid, why can't racial identity be, too? Why can't white people say, "I was assigned white at birth, but I identify as black"? They could just claim racial identity is to race what gender identity is to sex. Both concepts are equally nonsensical.

by Anonymousreply 311January 23, 2021 4:58 PM

Can we talk about high school athletics? Because even the most pro-trans people on this site give pause to that one

by Anonymousreply 312January 23, 2021 5:35 PM

[quote]Why can't white people say, "I was assigned white at birth, but I identify as black"?

I don’t see why they can’t? They can identify as whatever they want. It used to be if you identified as, for example, the president of Brazil, you were found at a mental institution but, not any more.

by Anonymousreply 313January 23, 2021 6:38 PM

R310, the transtapo do believe you can change sex though. They use the word gender to confuse things and watch out if you try to call them transsexuals. That is one of the words they've outlawed. What you've written is correct but the transtapo believe you are a TERF for stating biological facts.

Sex is a male/female binary. Gender is on a masculine/feminine spectrum. They've put a lot of effort into conflating gender and sex. They want you to call them transgender but believe they can change sex.

by Anonymousreply 314January 23, 2021 7:55 PM

R312, even hardcore SJWs are starting to get uncomfortable about the sport issue. Claiming that cross-sex hormones remove all unfair advantages isn't working anymore - people can see with their own eyes how ridiculous it looks when male athletes are standing on the podium with female ones. Their current tactic involves saying, "Who cares about sports? Sports are boring." Which is stupid on so many levels, not least because if "cis" women aren't supposed to care about sports, why are trans "women" allowed to?

by Anonymousreply 315January 23, 2021 8:37 PM

OP is a ridiculous alarmist.

"This is exactly the kind of clear statement that we hoped to get from the Biden administration. And that absolutely is the right approach, because there's nothing about the Supreme Court's explanation for why sexual orientation or gender identity discrimination as an aspect of sex discrimination should be limited just to the employment context."

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by Anonymousreply 316January 23, 2021 9:13 PM

A quote from a site called "them" is supposed to sway us, R316?

by Anonymousreply 317January 23, 2021 9:18 PM

None of us here think that trans people should be fired for being trans or kicked out of their housing for being trans or beaten for being trans, etc. They should not, however, be able to perpetuate anti-science bullshit to the point that it tries to redefine sex and the sex-based rights and protections that go along with those definitions.

In other words, keep your fucking swinging ballsack out of women's bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless and domestic violence shelters, rape crisis centers, rights organizations, health centers, and sports. And, most definitely keep them out of the face of any lesbian who doesn't want to fuck your ladydick.

by Anonymousreply 318January 23, 2021 9:28 PM

R318 is an idiot. There's no other way to put it. Pure ignorance masquerading as self-righteous expertise.

by Anonymousreply 319January 23, 2021 9:31 PM

R319, is sound and fury indicating nothing. Make an actual rebuttal of anything I wrote or shut the fuck up. Easy as that. And, while you're at it, answer the simple questions we've asked you all over and over.

Why is transgender a thing but transracial isn't?

What defines a woman?

But, we all know you won't do any of these things because you can't.

by Anonymousreply 320January 23, 2021 9:37 PM

[quote]Why is transgender a thing but transracial isn't?

They won’t answer you because they don’t know. But they can call you names, and that’s all they’ll do.

by Anonymousreply 321January 23, 2021 10:56 PM

Because race isn't real. It's completely a social construct. Scientifically there is only one race; human. That's the definition of race. There are literally ZERO ways to reliably and consistently divide all humans up into "races". There is always bleed through, ambiguity, because there's no actual physical or scientific way to define different 'races' that works. Race is only a 'thing' in the minds of racists who need an 'other' to hate in order to elevate themselves.

Trying to compare it to sex is ridiculous.

And I say that even knowing that sex is not scientifically "binary"... there are XY females, there are XXY and XYY people, there are intersex people. Gender is also very much a social construct, and sex is far more complicated than "male or female", but you don't want to acknowledge any of that.

by Anonymousreply 322January 24, 2021 12:35 AM

[quote] Because race isn't real.

The vagina says NO.

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by Anonymousreply 323January 24, 2021 12:50 AM

Yeah, no.

by Anonymousreply 324January 24, 2021 12:53 AM

[quote] And I say that even knowing that sex is not scientifically "binary"... there are XY females, there are XXY and XYY people, there are intersex people. Gender is also very much a social construct, and sex is far more complicated than "male or female", but you don't want to acknowledge any of that.

No. Sex IS binary except for anomalies and defects. Even those outliers are specific to either male or female. They do not change the fact that in mammals sex is either male or female. You do not want to acknowledge that.

by Anonymousreply 325January 24, 2021 1:34 AM

R319, sorry but your attempts to sell delusion here doesn't work. And it won't work with the vast majority of humans on the planet.

by Anonymousreply 326January 24, 2021 1:37 AM

Dividing people up by race is certainly far less scientific than dividing them by sex.

by Anonymousreply 327January 24, 2021 1:39 AM

r325 rather than argue and present facts to support their claims they rather get Muriel to silence you under being transphobic. Absolutely ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 328January 24, 2021 1:46 AM

R325 science is clear on this, sex is not binary. Sorry tootz. I know you want to feel like it is, but the facts don’t work for your argument baby.

by Anonymousreply 329January 24, 2021 2:04 AM

Sex is binary for mammals, including humans. Sex is more basic even than chromosomes and the vanishingly rare chromosomal anomalies (XXY, XYY etc). Sex has to do with what gametes (that is, reproductive cells) one's body produces.

Does one's body produce sperm? Then that human is male, no matter how desperately that human wishes, longs, yearns, to be female. Human wishes and desires do not change a body's sex.

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with transgender issues. There's zero reason for LGB to be associated with Ts and TRAs.

by Anonymousreply 330January 24, 2021 2:04 AM

R330 sorry as I said science is clear, sex is not binary. You can hark on about it all you like, it’s not changing. Also LGBT includes gay and trans people, this also is not gonna change. If you’re anti trans you’re anti LGBT and therefore anti-gay so to have fun doing that but don’t be on here trying to be divisive.

by Anonymousreply 331January 24, 2021 2:10 AM

Sex is not binary if you are a crayfish.

If you are a human mammal, sex is binary.

If you were born male, and desperately, compellingly desire to be female, you are out of luck. You can “pass,” but that's about as close as you come.

Buddhist traditions are strong on the practice of “acceptance,” r331. It might help you to explore some eastern religious disciplines.

Good luck, and the best to you, my dear. We all support equitable treatment for transgender individuals, but you cannot change your sex.

by Anonymousreply 332January 24, 2021 2:18 AM

R322 literally wrote complete fucking nonsense.

[quote]Because race isn't real. It's completely a social construct. Scientifically there is only one race; human. That's the definition of race. There are literally ZERO ways to reliably and consistently divide all humans up into "races". There is always bleed through, ambiguity, because there's no actual physical or scientific way to define different 'races' that works. Race is only a 'thing' in the minds of racists who need an 'other' to hate in order to elevate themselves.

Yes, moron, just like there is an entire masculine/feminine spectrum of gender. Thanks for agreeing with the fact that there is no way to change race just like there is no way to change gender because there is no defined race just like there is no defined gender.

[quote]Trying to compare it to sex is ridiculous.

Oh, oops for you. Did you read everything wrong? That's because I wasn't comparing race to sex. I was comparing race to gender. It's the ridiculous pretzel of trying to conflate gender and sex that have gotten you to embarass yourself like this. Maybe you should take a science class and a sociology class so you can figure out the actual difference between the two.

[quote]And I say that even knowing that sex is not scientifically "binary"... there are XY females, there are XXY and XYY people, there are intersex people. Gender is also very much a social construct, and sex is far more complicated than "male or female", but you don't want to acknowledge any of that.

You've so convoluted your own arguments that you're arguing the other side now. Of course gender is a social construct which is mutable. That's our entire fucking argument, idiot. You can be whatever gender you want whenever you want. Sex is a 100% binary male/female state except for the very occasional genetic abnormality that usually results in fetal death or sterility.

I don't know what propaganda you've spent your life ingesting but you need to find some new sources of actual scientific data to base your arguments on. You really are embarassing yourself here.

by Anonymousreply 333January 24, 2021 2:27 AM

Hear hear, R333. That person is absolutely an idiot and a coward.

“Race” doesn’t exist? Excuse me? Have you been asleep the past 10 months?

by Anonymousreply 334January 24, 2021 5:18 AM

The trannies (and TRAs/tranny pets) are the most misogynistic, homophobic, narcissists freaks EVER. If this passes only BTQ+ freaks will benefit from it, actual gays & lesbians (females in general) are fucked.

We need big voices against this fuckery nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 335January 25, 2021 5:28 AM

[quote] nonsense.

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by Anonymousreply 336January 25, 2021 10:31 AM

^^^ well THAT's not a helpful graphic r336.

The two symbols outlined in green above are the common symbols used for female and male SEX. All the other symbols are made-up joke ones (“attack helicopter” is neither a gender NOR a mental disorder, afaik) or possibly meteorological weather fronts.

by Anonymousreply 337January 25, 2021 1:37 PM

#justgayboythings

Why does this bisexual get to gaslight us? Why?

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by Anonymousreply 338January 26, 2021 3:26 AM

I accidentally W&W'd R329. Didn't mean to.

by Anonymousreply 339January 30, 2021 4:36 PM

Biden has decided that the privacy, safety, and fair competition rights of women and girls were expendable.

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by Anonymousreply 340January 31, 2021 10:02 AM

Poor, r340. His privilege is being taken away. Tough, white faggot.

by Anonymousreply 341January 31, 2021 2:09 PM

R341, you can't even comprehend a one sentence post. Hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 342January 31, 2021 7:26 PM

R339 thank you for both the w&w and also for letting everyone know of such a significant event.

by Anonymousreply 343January 31, 2021 8:29 PM

Glad to oblige, r343. I didn't want anyone to think someone agreed with the insane idea that sex is not binary.

by Anonymousreply 344February 1, 2021 12:56 PM

[quote] Biden has decided that the privacy, safety, and fair competition rights of women and girls were expendable.

That makes him both the best president ever and the best vice-president ever and proof that straight white men are more progressive than you transphobic cisf@gg0t deplorable MAGATERF trash and certainly more than your cisbitchTERF enablers!

Bye, bitches! You're just gay men in denial anyway just as "gay" "men" are actually heterosexual women in denial.

by Anonymousreply 345February 22, 2021 6:12 PM

Sad.

by Anonymousreply 346February 22, 2021 7:04 PM

I hope this thread and the first post I see is a poster calling a gay person a “f-ggot”. This place has really REALLY gone down hill. It’s just a cesspool of homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 347February 22, 2021 7:07 PM

I *open (not hope)

by Anonymousreply 348February 22, 2021 7:07 PM

The whole trans thing is so strange. Here is this ftm who is detranstioning. In the original detranstioning video she talked about wanting to be a 'gay man' and when I started watching this new video I immediately was like that guy (her BF) pings my gaydar. Then you find out he has just got divorced from a guy and identifies as bisexual. He talked about getting married young so he didn't have to deal with being bisexual and could just be 'gay'.

This whole thing strikes me as messy bisexuals who are confused about both their genders and sexualities......

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by Anonymousreply 349February 22, 2021 9:23 PM

[quote]This whole thing strikes me as messy bisexuals who are confused about both their genders and sexualities......

The media and social media doesn’t help people who are petrified of their sexuality.

by Anonymousreply 350February 22, 2021 9:25 PM

r349 He also plays into the trope that bi men will leave gay men because they want kids. At 17.50 he talks about how he had 'resigned' himself to not having children in a 'homosexual relationship', but deep down it was what he really wanted.

Skip to 2 years from now and these 'queers' will be het married with kids. I wonder what his ex husband thinks lol..

by Anonymousreply 351February 22, 2021 9:31 PM

[quote]This place has really REALLY gone down hill. It’s just a cesspool of homophobia.

Homophobia from anti-trans trolls from Breitbart and other hard right wing websites posing as Dataloungers R347. They "pretend" to want to have "open discussions" about things that just aren't happening but really, they are here to sow dissent, hatred and spread their vitriolic nastiness against gay and trans people.

Have our gay rights all been taken away yet OP? Have they?

Please [bold]DO[/bold] let us know ASAP.

by Anonymousreply 352February 22, 2021 9:33 PM

R352, the Democrats are bringing the EA to the floor this week, which eradicates all sex based protections for LGB and women. So, the answer is: give it a few hours, you psychotic homophobe.

by Anonymousreply 353February 22, 2021 9:35 PM

[quote]Homophobia from anti-trans trolls

Unfortunately there are anti-trans trolls who are also homophobic. That’s disappointing and confusing.

by Anonymousreply 354February 22, 2021 9:36 PM

R354, link? I’ll wait.

by Anonymousreply 355February 22, 2021 9:39 PM

r352 God you are stupid. Both in how you cant see how trans affect gay men and in your bizarre claim that people who point it out are right wing breitbart trolls. Sad for you.

by Anonymousreply 356February 22, 2021 9:39 PM

R356, he’s a clown, he’s not gay, he hates gays and women and like all MtFs is really just a 4chan incel who became his own girlfriend and is delighting in being able to abuse, with impunity, those he has always believed to be beneath him.

by Anonymousreply 357February 22, 2021 9:43 PM

I’ve seen it R355. I’m anti-trans but very pro-gay, and unfortunately I’ve seen homophobia from other anti-trans posters. I’ll link if I see one. They’re all over.

by Anonymousreply 358February 22, 2021 9:43 PM

r353 That really could come back to haunt Biden especially if the backlash costs the democrat party enough votes.

by Anonymousreply 359February 24, 2021 5:06 AM

The one on the left is SUCH a beautiful woman (except for the voice that's now ruined). How could she have done this to herself? AND she's straight.

Anyway, why are these two so worried about having kids so young. They should have fun as young adults.

by Anonymousreply 360February 24, 2021 6:32 AM

A retraction is in order.

by Anonymousreply 361February 24, 2021 11:20 AM

R361 retractable penis

by Anonymousreply 362February 25, 2021 7:39 PM

I can’t speak about anti-trans trolls, but the elder gays I know aren’t thrilled with trans. Gay erasure.

by Anonymousreply 363February 25, 2021 8:38 PM

WW to OP

by Anonymousreply 364February 26, 2021 1:04 PM

War has been declared against lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 365February 26, 2021 6:32 PM

How are the chances of this being passed on senate?

by Anonymousreply 366February 28, 2021 1:49 AM

The gay mafia should soak Susan Collins’ windows and shake her down!

by Anonymousreply 367March 1, 2021 2:13 AM
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