The Crown Season 4 - Official Watch Party Thread - Part III

She was an uptown girl.

shot comparison for the obsessives:

making of bits:

Someone requested that they put together a montage of all the scenery, cars pulling up, cars exiting and general filler sequences. I'd also like to add that all of Diana's scenes where she's hunched over a toilet vomiting be added to that.

We get it! The girl had problems. We don't need to see it multiple times in each episode.

[quote]Why is no one willing to talk about Princess Di filming her children’s births?? [italic]What is everyone so afraid of??[/italic]

[quote]She gave birth during an alien abduction. THEY have the recording.

Thank you. At last someone had the GUTS to say it.

It’s only by facing the truth that it can set us free.

Chit-chat with Olivia and Helen:

Episode 7 will be Helena's Emmy nomination. The scene on the beach could win it for her. But Che-rist her wig is horrible. You could drive a truck through the gap.

It was nice to see Lady Felicia and Bridget Jones' mother in small roles.

Aside from the way he treats Diana and one cruel remark to his brother, I kind of like the Charles character...gardening, the arts, etc.

Did the Queen say that Margaret’s boyfriend was a friend of Dorothy? Not sure if I heard right.

[quote]Did the Queen say that Margaret’s boyfriend was a friend of Dorothy? Not sure if I heard right.

Yes, she did. It was discussed in one of the earlier threads whether the Queen would know what Friend of Dorothy meant.

Charles is a royal cunt.

The biggest disappointment for me this season is that they didn't have the queen gussied up more. I love it when we get to see her in her tiaras, and we only got to see one of hers this season I think--the Grand Vladimir Tiara, without either pearls or emeralds, at the Commonwealth of Nations summit. I also have been disappointed we saw have seen no meetings with foreign leaders: the only one we got to see was Bob Hawke in Australia. (In previous seasons, we've had the chance to see Nkrumah, Brezhnev (just a fleeting glimpse), Nasser, Pompidou (again just a glimpse), and Hirohito and his wife.)

I was especially hoping to see more US presidents and their wives, but though we got Eisenhower, the Kennedys and the Johnsons in the first 3 seasons, we have been denied seeing Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush Sr. I hope there are more next season, since between 1990-1997 there will be little else for the Queen to do otherwise--I want to see Poppy and Barbara Bush, and the Clintons.

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It's fiction, not a documentary. What do people expect?

Last season, they should have covered the Queen's trip to the US during the Bicentennial. She went shopping at Bloomindales! That could have been an episode all by itself. The cast of A Chorus Line was pissed off because Bloomindales refused to issue them credit cards. That could have been the B storyline to the episode.

Charles really comes off badly in this.

The Queen's speech where she tells him off "no one feels badly for you" - is clearly meant to encapsulate what the audience has been thinking.

He basically sulks around like a moody 14 year old with Mommy issues the entire season

Which is why the article at R13 is spot on-- this will do a lot to damage Charles's reputation and make him a very unpopular king.

That article at r13 is hilarious in how hysterical it is. The monarchy may come to an end because of this Netflix program. Reputations are being damaged!

Julian Fellowes: I don't normally comment on other people's work, but since I'm a bitchy queen, all I have to say is, even though I've stolen several plots from Upstairs Downstairs, that this show involves real people!

There should be a health warning at the beginning of this show! No actual people were harmed in the production of this show.

I get a video at R13, where's the article?

[quote]I get a video at [R13], where's the article?

Go to "Settings" and uncheck the Show Link Previews box. It's a datalounge glitch.

From R13 article:

[quote]It comes as Earl Spencer, Princess Diana’s brother, said he felt uneasy watching his sister’s depiction in the drama and that he fears viewers will ‘forget it is fiction’.

What is he criticizing, exactly? Why does he think HE knows the ultimate truth about how everything played out?

Keep in mind what the Crown giveth, the Crown can taketh away. I think Earl Spencer is afraid of losing his title and lands if Charles becomes king. Nothing about Diana's depiction strays from multiple published accounts, so he doesn't seem to have her reputation in mind.

I really don’t see Diana as crazy person that certain people wanted to depict her as. Other than the bulimia.

#TeamCamilla

I've been listening to "Edge of Seventeen" and "Let's Dance" a lot this week.

They missed their window to use "West End Girls".

Poor William and Harry if they have been watching this season. I wonder what they must be thinking, about the family and their relatives in general, and the Queen in particular, considering none of them comes off as normal human beings. I know they're royals, but still.

[quote]#TeamCamilla

And a startlingly unattractive team it is.

Episode 7 and 8 are tedious as hell. Hope the last two are better.

R25 I thought that but then I realized that both boys not only would have been brought up being informed about how evil and false tabloid press is about their family, but then the media effectively murdered their mother, it stalked William and publicly dissected his dating life and now it has eviscerated the family and excised Harry from it while making him and his wife either martyrs or supervillains. Some of the show's depictions might get to them but they also must have a deep awareness how ruthlessly false stories about their family are.

On YouTube and just in googling the show, I keep seeing "The Crown season 4 ending EXPLAINED" and "What happened at the end of season 4 The Crown?"

I saw thos before I got to the ending. I expected a mystery. But there was no mystery unless I am incredibly dense.

R28, your conclusion is logically sound, but it simply isn't the case. William and Harry remain notoriously thin-skinned when it comes to press coverage about them and their wives. They refuse to let anything, regardless of how implausible it might be, pass. William loathes the press to the point The Guardian could refer to him as "a former air ambulance pilot in his late 30's," and he would seethe for a week afterwards. Harry, meanwhile, is convinced he has his mother's gift of bending the press to his will when it counts. Clearly, that isn't the case.

OTOH, William and Kate like The Windsors parody show. Perhaps because they come off better than all of the other characters.

The Windsors is a fun show and while they do come off silly, they are all still likable. I had read that the Royal family loved The Crown the first two seasons, especially the York sisters. I read that they all enjoyed watching The Crown together and discussing the inaccuracies.

Will the sixth season take us into the present day? I'd love to see the "Pizza Express" episode

For the life of me, I cannot understand why the Royals get huffy about the tabloids. Can someone with more knowledge explain to me? These people want-for nothing. Why do they give SHIT what a tabloid or the press says about their exploits when they are some of the wealthiest people in the world, who can practically do whatever they want? So what, the tabloid wants a photo of you... WHY DOES IT BOTHER THEM? I seriously don't get it. I mean, for fuck's sake, Charles doesn't even squeeze his own toothpaste. Why do the tabloids offend them so much?

I would guess that Charles will be treated very well in the final upcoming seasons of The Crown and all will be right with the world, even if we have to wait until 2022 for it.

R34, they get huffy because the Royal family is built on a foundation of continuity and stability. The Queen says it a million times over all 4 seasons of The Crown. If they aren't considered stable, secure, and reliable it jeopardizes the whole point of having a monarchy.

Here's a question: What is up with Netflix's content warning? It says "Language, sex, nudity, smoking." I've clocked two of those but have seen nothing the least bit porny. Did I blink at the wrong moment?

[quote]If they aren't considered stable, secure, and reliable it jeopardizes the whole point of having a monarchy.

But even if every single fucking member of that family ACTUALLY ARE stable, secure and reliable it still doesn't justify having a monarchy.

I suspect that mines, shopping malls and car dealerships will still be able to open without 'em.

Netflix rates by the content of the entire series r37, not just the current season.

I am more than willing to see a content warning as long as it meant getting a glimpse of Matt Smith's succulent buttocks.

R36 Then why are the members of the royal family so hell-bent on stupid shit?! If they don't want the press reporting on what they are DOING... why don't they act differently!

It is sad that the Queen needs ab appointment to have lunch with her kids. But I can understand why.

R41 It is sad the queen needed appointments with her kids to figure out who she likes best and she ultimately decided they're all assholes. But I can understand why.

Emma and Josh are more physically compatible than Charles and Di ever were. He's about four inches taller than her and she's much smaller than him in general. The scene where they dance in Australia and she's in a blue dress demonstrates their chemistry well.

Di’s true love, a body guard who was killed in a motorcycle accident. Is there still an actual Oprah Magazine anymore, or is it just the website and why would they cover something like this, I thought it was about food, crafts and homemaking.

R41 and R42 It’s partly fiction not a documentary - don’t assume that every plot point in “The Crown” is real.

R45, the show may be part fiction, but it's refreshing to think The Queen has taken a moment to consider what a shitty mother she's been. Only two of her children have turned out somewhat normal (Anne and Edward), and even they're deeply flawed.

Charles isn't perfect but I would say he's "normal"

I can't believe that they're not doing another season to cover Meghan & Harry vs. the Royal Family. That's what viewers really want to see.

Maybe they can do a special movie next year to cover La Markle.

As "normal" as a spoiled grifter who has never done an honest day's work in his life can possibly be, I guess.

Well, gee, for someone born royal I'd say it's not exactly weird to play polo or to be spoiled. And he was in the Navy - does that count as doing honest work?

Andrew not caring about the age of a girl in porn...it was done in such a cringy way.

Andrew not caring about the age of a girl in porn...it was done in such a cringy way.

[quote] for someone born royal

The very fallacy that lies at the crux of all this nonsense.

No one is born "royal".

The whole institution is so peculiar.

I noticed in this video compilation that the queen uses the second person "you" ("You can do...") sometimes and other times "one" ("One can...") and the usage seems rather arbitrary and inconsistent.

Brits: What was the dish that Mrs. Thatcher was cooking for her ministers? The one where it looked like she was putting slices of boiled egg into it at the end.

Thanks.

R55 She named it. Something with a G, I think. It looked like she dumped the eggs into some kind of rice dish and then gave everyone two little scoops. Not much of a dinner.

Apprently she loved eggs and ate 28 a week.

Kedgeree.

It has a G in it, anyway!

Fish, rice, eggs, cream, curry powder and veggies.

Nigella makes fish-n-eggs sexy!

Thank you R57

Ew, that looks nasty

They are British r60, did you expect the food to be good? No wonder they took to Curry like pigs to slop.

'If they aren't considered stable, secure, and reliable it jeopardizes the whole point of having a monarchy.'

The only people who fit that description are TQ and William. Charles is a joke and nobody wants to see him as king.

Posters here have said that Gillian Anderson is dating Peter Morgan. Does anyone know if the relationship began before or after she started shooting The Crown?

R63, the relationship began in 2016, when the first season was still filming.

Oh, no! Gillian Anderson is dating that pig? How disappointing.

Weirdly, while I watch her playing Margaret Thatcher, I keep thinking she is Julianne Moore. I think it's the mouth.

OMG I misread Peter Morgan as Piers Morgan. I am so relieved.

They got a real cookie smeller for Edward.

R36 How does a tabloid mocking them or airing their dirty laundry impede continuity? I legitimately don't get it. There doesn't seem to be a strong movement to abolish the monarchy. I do not understand why they get so wound up. I understand that on some sort of personal level it's not pleasant to be mocked by the tabloids., but they're the people really least likely to be harmed by negative press. Actors, athletes, etc. have reason to be more worried... their careers could actually BE affected by bad press. But the Royals? What on earth is the worst that happens to them if they get bad press? It's not like they'd be abolished, at this rate.

When Elizabeth asked Edward if he was “head boy” at Gordonstoun, he should’ve grinned and said, “Only in the showers.”

[quote]It was nice to see Lady Felicia and Bridget Jones' mother in small roles.

Lady Felicia played the same part in Season 3, Ep. 10 (the one with Roddy Llewelyn.)

R69, I was hoping for some "Dockside Doris" stuff...

[quote]R68 . I do not understand why they get so wound up. I understand that on some sort of personal level it's not pleasant to be mocked by the tabloids., but they're the people really least likely to be harmed by negative press.

They just find it inconceivable anyone should dare to criticize them.

[quote] Brits: What was the dish that Mrs. Thatcher was cooking for her ministers? The one where it looked like she was putting slices of boiled egg into it at the end.

Kedgeree.

[quote] I had read that the Royal family loved The Crown the first two seasons, especially the York sisters. I read that they all enjoyed watching The Crown together and discussing the inaccuracies.

Not all of them, by any means. Philip, Charles, and Anne have all said they've never watched it. The Queen reportedly enjoyed the first season with Edward and Sophie, but stopped watching it in season 2 because she was upset by the show's portrayal of Philip as an insensitive father to Charles.

I find the lines on Philips face very sexy for some reason.

R21, dear, the Crown cannot take away Charles Spencer's earldom.

Does your ignorance concern you, as you watch a fictional depiction of real events and feel so engaged?

So the Queen was fine with watching Philip portrayed as a terrible husband in Season 1? Interesting.

Randy Andy was the public’s favorite, too. Hi flying in the Falklands being his high point.

These days, he’s a creepy old man who whines about how much money he gets for doing nothing,

Who said she was "fine" with it, r77? It's just not been mentioned, so no one publicly knows.

Does Anne have a daughter named Elphaba by any chance?

Claire Foy returns! Miss Olivia is going to be mighty pissed off if Claire gets an Emmy nomination for her five minute segment and she gets nothing.

[quote]Not all of them, by any means. Philip, Charles, and Anne have all said they've never watched it. The Queen reportedly enjoyed the first season with Edward and Sophie

I would imagine queeny Edward sits there in his jammies with a pint of ice cream and squeals at every episode.

"Oh gurl! They have so got Mummy to rights. And that actress who plays Anne? Spot on. She was always on the rag!"

[quote]Claire Foy returns! Miss Olivia is going to be mighty pissed off if Claire gets an Emmy nomination for her five minute segment and she gets nothing.

Well, I know who I'll be voting for.

I can’t get over how bad Gillian Anderson was as Margeret Thatcher. That voice was complete nails on the chalkboard. She was so stiff and a complete caricature.

[quote] R21, dear, the Crown cannot take away Charles Spencer's earldom.

Actually, the Crown theoretically [italic]could.[/italic] The sovereign is the font of all British titles, and can both bestow them or take them away. Sovereigns have taken titles away before from aristocrats (though not for decades and decades).

I seriously doubt Charles ever, ever, ever would take the title away from the Earl Spencer; but r21 is technically correct, and you are wrong.

I wonder what percentage of Britons remembers having a King.

I was really disappointed that we didn't get to see more from the Falklands war and Thatcher surviving the hotel bomb in Brighton in 1984.

R86, since King George VI died in 1952, I would guess one would have to be over 72 in order to remember the UK having a King. It's estimated the British population over 70 is 15% of the total population, and there around 66M Britons...

Long story short, there are still millions of people alive who would remember having a King.

Gone are the days when kings could simply seize other people’s property, R85. The titles of four peers were removed after WW I, but pursuant to an Act of Parliament (the Titles Deprivation Act). There’s no modern authority for it to be done any other way.

I wasn't putting words in your mouth, R79. I just thought it ironic that the Queen watched Season 1, which portrayed Philip as a controlling, whiny, unfaithful turd of a husband, but somehow him being a bad father was where she drew the line.

Among other things, the 1st season implies she was somewhat dumb, came close to having an affair, and betrayed her sister. Even if those things are all true, I'm not sure The Queen would appreciate the speculation.

[quote]R74 Not all of them, by any means. Philip, Charles, and Anne have all said they've never watched it.

Why would anyone believe a word out of their asshole mouths?

prince andrew comes across very crass

I bet the Windsors have cursed themselves a 1000 times over for ever bringing Diana into the family. Even now, a quarter-century after her death, she's making trouble for them.

[quote] I was really disappointed that we didn't get to see more from the Falklands war and Thatcher surviving the hotel bomb in Brighton in 1984.

That was all in "The Iron Lady." I think they didn't want to repeat it very much.

I can’t wait for the fire episode!

[quote]I bet the Windsors have cursed themselves a 1000 times over for ever bringing Diana into the family. Even now, a quarter-century after her death, she's making trouble for them.

I think they'll believe Diana was a non-issue when Meghan Markle gets done chewing them up and spitting them out.

I honestly don't think Meghan will be an issue for them long-term. Meghan was only a working Royal for a hot minute, and she was never beloved in the UK the way Diana was. She may or may not make her mark on the world stage, but it's doubtful her successes or failures will affect the BRF the way Diana's did.

R75 That is an actor, that’s not the Duke of Edinburgh.

A thumbnail for one of the later episodes showed someone who looked like Claire Foy, but since the summary indicated it was a Margaret episode, I thought it must be Helena Bonham-Carter. Glad to know Claire will be appearing...even if it will serve as a reminder The Queen (and Claire) has blue eyes, while Olivia Coleman's have remained brown.

R75 This is what Prince Phillip looked like back in the early 80’s. He has those lines but a lot less hair and not remotely as hot as Tobias Menzies.

Yeah, but he was older in the 80s than Tobias Menzies is now

Prince Philip in 1967, when he was the age Menzies is now. I'd say he's a hottie.

[quote] R34: For the life of me, I cannot understand why the Royals get huffy about the tabloids. Can someone with more knowledge explain to me?

Because they can’t step out for a pack of cigarettes without having a camera in their face. If their shirt is ripped or stained, it gets reported. If they haven’t shaved, etc. The tabloids will also will do things to provoke the subject, like the tabloids did with socks the cat that belonged to Chelsea Clinton. They’ll try to throw the royal off, to provoke them. Then they’ll chase you on their motorcycles, and the zonal won’t know if they want a picture, or if they want to shoot you.

Remember Diana’s plea to let her boys have a skiing holiday without the cameras? A smart Royal would negotiate with the tabloids, like “let me have dinner tonight, and tomorrow you can tag along when we go out to the ballot. Diana was accused of manipulating the press like that made it her fault, for some reason, that she died. My feeling is that she’d have to be a fool to have been harassed by them daily for years, and not come to understand how to manipulate them to get some peace out of it.

That’s what I do.

A smart Royal,

[quote]while Olivia Coleman's have remained brown.

Peter Morgan said that they tried filming Olivia with blue contacts but it didn't work. I think that was a bullshit story because he made up some lame excuse about how she wasn't truthful while wearing the contacts. That's like saying she's not truthful because she's wearing a wig or a fat suit.

r100 It's not a Margaret episode ... unless you mean Thatcher. It's the one about the Commonwealth and apartheid. It begins with Elizabeth's (played by Foy)1947 radio address from Cape Town.

R106, I'm staring at the screen cap and description right now:

"Grappling with mental health issues, Margaret seeks help and discovers an appalling secret about estranged relatives of the royal family."

Furthermore, all the blurbs for episodes referring to Margaret Thatcher refer to her as "Thatcher."

Edward was not a well adjusted child. He became a marine under his father’s insistence, but quit in less than a week. He gave up Royal duties and went by Edward Windsor. He became involved with the arts. I thought for sure he was gay, but he’s got a couple kids and resumed Royal duties in 2002. He is an Earl, and the only male child of the Queen not made a Duke. He is alleged to get named Duke of Edinburgh after his father has died.

If he has kids he couldn't possibly be gay!

Another royal gay scandal that probably won't be addressed

For those wondering why the Royal Family gets so distressed by the tabloids, please remember that it's the tabloids that are telling you the Royal Family is so distressed.

We also make up scenarios about BRF feuds and scandalous machinations because it keeps these types of threads interesting, R111.

I had a hard time watching the first two episodes because I thought the actress playing Diana was not as physically attractive as Diana. After a while, I was able to see that she did capture her essence and her character well.

why would they switch actresses in season 5 and 6? It's only a few years later. Elizabeth Debicki is just as beautiful as Diana but I wonder how good of an actress she is.

Isn’t Debicki like 7 feet tall?

R113, unfortunately, Emma Corrin came on-board in the middle of a 2-season storyline. The cast was always intended to be reset every few years, and she'll be part of the purge.

The older generation might not care, but Charles and his children are extremely sensitive to negative media stories. This summer, Tatler ran an article about Kate Middleton. The Cambridges went to court and the magazine was forced to remove several excerpts. However, the original article is archived, so readers can easily identify what was particularly hurtful to William and Kate. One line that was removed was the implication William considers Carole Middleton the mother he never had!

Original article is linked. Santized article can be found at: www.tatler.com/article/the-duchess-of-cambridge-is-the-julyaugust-cover

Aww, I will miss cutie Josh O'Connor.

IMO This series as well all the public images over the years of what family life is for the BRF makes them all look like rather aimless, privileged, petty people. Glorified trailer trash.

Glad we fired them in 1776.

I’m sure that they’ll be devastated, R118.

R119 Don't worry, they'll still continue to provide you fodder for Soap Opera Digest.

R118 Should have fired them back in 1066 and kept that usurping viking trash away!!

Some great and funny posts in this thread; thank you, R40, R42 and R61.

I am so hoping future episodes will explore Charles' deeply rewarding r'ship with his valet Michael Fawcett.

[quote] He became a marine under his father’s insistence, but quit in less than a week

Not true. He was three months in to a twelve month officer's training.

R123 Like any good gay, I’m sure Edward has spun half a week into three months of torture so you’re good either way.

When I saw Claire Foy and heard her voice I literally

(a) GASPED!

and

(b) put my hand to my neck as if to clutch pearls.

MARY!

MARY!

MARY!

The problem with the Claire Foy appearance is that, like so many others, her wig looks terrible. What did they spend the money on this season that should have gone to wigs?

R126 Flowers, undeniably flowers.

R126 She looked very pale as they were zooming in for a closeup.

[quote]and she'll be part of the purge.

Unfortunate choice of words.

[quote][R126] She looked very pale as they were zooming in for a closeup.

There were a couple of shots where it didn't even look like her.

True r130. There were moments I had to convince myself they hadn't just hired a look-alike.

I'm guessing it may have been filmed in two pieces....the first part she looks pale and almost ill.

When they flash back to her face after the montage of various South Africans she looks much better and at ease, the wig issue isn't obvious.

Oh, and speaking of Claire -

For the briefest of seconds I thought that the woman who is the coworker of Michael Shea and comes into his office to tell him about the newspapers asking questions was also Claire. At first it looked like her with a little makeup and padding on, and I thought maybe they were slipping in a clever little cameo.

But then we saw more of her and it became clear that it was not her.

Charles looks like Pee Wee Herman.

"Impressively cunty"

I cackled.

Perhaps someone miscalculated with the lighting, but Claire Foy's wig is too reddish. Between the reddish wig, the too white skin and the red lipstick, it looks nothing like Elizabeth, even when she was young. I don't know why they didn't return to her look from a previous season, something like this would have been better.

It's strange because even the publicity shot below looks better than the actual footage. I wonder if they had to use an inferior take?

The publicity still in r137 is different from the actual episode. In the actual episode, they've taken the BBC off the microphone.

[quote]The problem with the Claire Foy appearance is that, like so many others, her wig looks terrible.

I thought they got the Queen's hair wrong all through series I and II. Her style was always closer to the helmet we know and l- are used to.

The wigs had the fullness but not the body or wave or whatever it's called... the curl. Foy's wigs were full but the hair was too straight.

They were probably just trying to make her hairstyle more palatable in the 21st century.

[quote]They were probably just trying to make her hairstyle more palatable in the 21st century.

Yes, it's sort of like shoes. Women's shoes in the 1930s were very clunky looking. I've seen several plays where they've changed the look so that women who are supposed to be stylish are wearing something less odd looking, like a thinner heel.

Charles's reaction to Diana is a common management issue: a good boss is thrilled when their employee shines because they realize it makes the boss look smart for hiring someone so competent, while the bad boss is threatened and wants to fire the employee because they are convinced that the employee's success makes them look bad by comparison.

It's odd that Diana was so surprised that Prince Charles was upset over her dancing to Uptown Girl. Prince Charles has always been known to hate pop music and pop culture in general. He's never had anything in common with his own generation.

Some of this season's Diana stuff, for some reason, reminded me of SNL - anyone remember when Madonna hosted? It was 1985, I think? She did a skit as Diana and the whole essence of it was Diana saying "I'm a person, and not a thing!"

So that sentiment was even in the general consciousness then.

Why odd R143?

He was a 35 year old man.

I do not particularly like opera, but if someone sang an aria to me to wish me a happy birthday, I'd be flattered. Even more so if that person were my spouse and had clearly made all sorts of special preparations to make it happen.

My reaction would not be "How could you do that! You know I hate opera!" which is the sort of reaction you'd expect from a spoiled 13 year old, not an adult.

Has anyone checked out the RF Instagram?

As pointed out, The Crown has a broad audience across age groups and they all seem to hate Camilla again.

Read the comments from their last post about her.

The mouse was the best one of all and totally genuine.

[quote]The mouse was the best one of all and totally genuine.

And the only one who had a decent wig.

r145 maybe if Diana had done an opera number Charles would've liked it. It was the pop music thing (I'm sure he had never even heard of Billy Joel) that he thought was undignified and common.

We should NEVER stop hating Camilla and trying to make her life as miserable as possible.

Camilla whorelina

R149, he hates pop music but what really appalled him was the public nature of the gesture. That’s why Diana gave him the video later, which he ridiculed.

Again, R149 and R152, those are the reactions of a sullen teenager, not a middle aged man.

By the time Diana did "Uptown Girl," Charles was already sick of her and the marriage. When you're DONE with someone, it doesn't matter what they do--you hate it. Diana could have stood up there and sung a Mozart aria perfectly, and Charles still would have been pissed off.

Was it really Phantom of the Opera, or was that poetic license to call out the imbalance of their relationship? And if it was her actual choice was it purposely meant to rebel and make a statement of how she felt trapped and exploited in the relationship?

R145 Ah, but isn't Prince Charles basically a spoiled 13-year-old in a grown man's body?

i love josh but hate charles....odd feeling huh

Having watched the entire 4th season of The Crown, I can confidently say that The Windsors is a far more accurate representation of the BRF. They should get Harry Enfield to play Charles.

Charles was a spoiled man-child, just like Harry.

Camilla was perfect for Charles. He had mommy and daddy issues and wanted a controlling woman to dominate him. Diana was powerful, commanding, but never controlling or dominating. She was an independent woman who wanted to be her own person, and that never would have been possible with Charles, who needs his wife to also be his mummy.

such a tragedy

#TeamCamilla

It's really unfair that Camilla is getting all this hate now. Diana's been gone a long time, and she wasn't a faithful spouse, either. What about the wives of the married men she cheated with? Why isn't anyone calling her out for that? Oliver Hoare's wife might have something to say about how 'innocent' Diana was.

Who is Oliver Hoare? I missed that character in the Crown?

he was a whoere

R164, Oliver Hoare was a man Diana had an affair with once her separation from Charles became official, and she moved to Kensington Palace. He was married and dependent on his wife's money to finance his business. Once he decided to end things with Diana, she went nuts and began to call his home dozens of times most nights.

The wife went to Scotland Yard, which determined the harrassing calls were coming from Kensington Palace...

hope diana fukd round lot....she deserved a hella good time !!

I hope next season goes into some of Diana's really nutty behavior, like the Oliver Hoare affair. Given how many people take this show as objective reality, it's only fair to show the darker side of Diana's character.

I agree that the recasting with Elizabeth Debicki seems pointless. She's only 5 years older than Emma Corrin, but I suppose they want a new Diana to pair with the new Charles next season.

Shes only five years older but appears more elegant and mature in a good way.

That's probably it R168. Josh O'Connor is 30 years old and Dominic West is 51. There will be quite a difference there in appearance and age for the actor switch for Charles.

It just makes sense to bring in another Diana as well, even if the age difference between Elizabeth and Emma isn't that wide. I'd also say Elizabeth seems much more "mature" and less innocent. I'd wager we'll see her say and do some things that just wouldn't quite look right with Emma playing her.

Those of you who think Charles is so spoiled and awful, I'd like to see how you'd fare as the Prince and heir to the British throne, waiting an entire lifetime (still!) to inherit what you'd been born for. It can't be easy and a little sympathy would be nice. Maybe it's just Josh O'Connor's performance but I do feel for Charles. And I feel for Diana, too. It was just a spectacularly misguided marriage that didn't stand a chance.

Just a point of clarification, the Brits use spoilt instead of spoiled, correct?

Has West's casting been confirmed? I liked him on The Wire, but he doesn't seem like a Charles to me. I think JJ Feild would have been a better choice. He even has the ears!

[quote] It was the pop music thing (I'm sure he had never even heard of Billy Joel) that he thought was undignified and common.

Well, his father knew who Billy Joel was (or at least how to pronounce his name.)

It was poetic license, like so many plot points in this season, R155.

Diana supposedly did give Charles a tape but it was of her dancing not singing.

I have no idea why Peter Morgan made the change.

Team Gladys!

When do we get the tampon phone call?

I hope West is not picked....he is joohnny one note.

but i do hope they pick another lady di too....she gets on my nerves with her excessive poor lil me face.....di could be a tatty brat. tho i adore her.

Watching vid on what a sweet mommy queen mum was to liz and margaret.....odd that liz in turn was a cold fish to her kids...why? was she really as fukd up as portrayed by the actress in the Crown? in not bowled over by the way she portrays liz....anyoone else feel that way? no one could have been that unfeeling....

Elizabeth's life was turned upside down by becoming Queen at age 26. The truth of George VI's ill health was unknown even to close family members. Elizabeth and Phillip assumed they'd have a good 20 years or more for her to be an ordinary posh wife and mum and for Philip to pursue his naval career. George VI's sudden death and her elevation to the throne caused fractures to their family unit that haven't healed to this day.

I don't blame her for resenting Edward VIII. Even if he'd never had children and Elizabeth had remained heir to the throne (after her own father), Elizabeth wouldn't have had to be Queen until she was in her 40s. Edward outlived his brother by a good 20 years.

Elizabeth became unfeeling as a defense mechanism to having her life destroyed by her father's death. Having to deal with losing your father and becoming Queen at the exact same time is traumatic enough to cause anyone to retreat into becoming a hard-as-stone ice queen, not to mention the many traumas that followed (having to give up any hope of a normal life, her husband falling out of love with her and growing to hate her, etc etc).

I would not call Lizzie unfeeling, actually. She simply learned to disassociate from her emotions to deal with the issues in her life. It's not uncommon.

Did queen eliz have any lovers other than her hubby? ive seen no mention of that....watch old vids during the war she wears her army uniform alot...dykey....think she was a tad????

People don't give Elizabeth enough credit for how modern she was for my liking, either. She broke a lot of barriers and was revolutionary in her own right, but nobody ever credits her for it. She helped bring the monarchy down to earth in a lot of ways.

Well, she is not a woman i would call.....feminine.

R182 Of course she had lovers, something tells me she had a years long affair with the close friend she was supposed to marry instead of Phillip, the one she really loved (his name escapes me, the horse guy), but I doubt The Crown is allowed to touch on that. They can talk about everyone's scandals except for The Queen's, but they can imply.

How was she revolutionary??

Porchy

The Crown did touch on the Lord Porchester relationship in Seasons 1 and 2 but stopped short of implying that it was ever more than a romantic friendship. Of course, there have been rumors for years that he is Andrew's true father.

R186 Turning royal events into televised things that the whole nation could enjoy so that the monarchy was less exclusionary, dancing with a black African man at a press event during the 60's, I could go on and on. She deliberately made attempts to get in touch with the commonwealth and make the monarchy seem like more of a tangible thing. It is because of Elizabeth and her dedication to bringing the monarchy into the modern age that shows like The Crown are even allowed to be made.

IT WAS BECAUSE OF DIANA, THE PEOPLE'S PRINCESS THAT THE CROWN STILL EXISTS. THE UK SEES THE QUEEN AND THE CROWN AS A FRIGID MESS THAT NEEDS BE ENDED, IF NOT FOR DIANA.

[quote]Given how many people take this show as objective reality, it's only fair to show the darker side of Diana's character.

It's been generally accurate so far.

Oh my, she danced with a black man, she is progressive !

Britains are eager to see William on the throne only.

[quote]Oh my, she danced with a black man, she is progressive !

Do you have any idea how progressive and revolutionary that was in the 1960s?

That was HUGELY progressive in the 1960s, R192. This was a time when they still had segregated schools and drinking fountains.

danced with a female or male dancer?

Not just a black man, a black African man. Not only was she acknowledging black people, she was acknowledging Africans, and showing the world that she saw both black people and Africans as fit to dance with a queen. I know that all of you have your lips surgically attached to Diana's clit, but surely you can recognize the significance of that act.

[quote]something tells me she had a years long affair with the close friend she was supposed to marry instead of Phillip, the one she really loved (his name escapes me, the horse guy)

I trust you're not a lawyer.

Or involved in anything where even a minor capacity for reasoning skills is required.

I loved Diana, even when it became apparent she was fairly loony, but I have to side with Charles.... the dancing and Phantom videos were cringeworthy.

Well apparently, no matter how poorly Diana attempted to please Charles, he never intended to cut off contact with CPB. The “earnest marriage” was DOA. If Diana was more discreet and gave up on being in love with Charles, they could’ve gone on with their own affairs. At least that’s what I gather from the series.

I love QEII but still think any monarch in the 1950s granted with the PR possibilities of television would inevitably be more "modern" and use the medium to connect with the population. You can't really compare her with previous generations because television didn't exist for them. Big game changer.

And I'd say a savvier and more progressive thinker than Elizabeth would have immediately seen the possibilities of television sooner and used them far more effectively.

R199 It’s a series based on real people but with many plot lines invented by Peter Morgan - the screenwriter.

That’s what you gather from the series but it’s a series, not a documentary.

[quote] Britains are eager....

Oh my. Well, no. No one is really eager to see William "on the throne." Most folks in the UK don't really give a shite.

QE II was in dire need of a less aging hairstyle.

And ironed out shoulder length Ali McGraw look would have suited QE II well in 1969.

And a topless swimsuit r204.

Charlie must have shagged the mad bolter more than twice.

[quote]R196 Not just a black man, a black African man. Not only was she acknowledging black people, she was acknowledging Africans, and showing the world that she saw both black people and Africans as fit to dance with a queen.

If she refused to fuck him, she was still racist.

Charles did hope that Diana would settle into a mutual understanding, R199. In fact, when she started up with James Hewitt, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. He seemed perfect: handsome, well-bred, discreet. Of course, later on he turned out to be a rat, but for a time, everyone thought that Diana had found a suitable long-term sidepiece and perhaps would finally shut up about Camilla.

Queen lizzie has the modernity of a chimney sweep.....she an old hag who wont do a damn thing to inch into the 21st centruy, that why her people hate her guts and want her ass off the toilet throne.

Neither Charles nor any of his siblings ever had a mother. They've always had to contend with a Queen. That's all she's ever been to them. Queen Elizabeth. I mean, having to book an appointment just to see your own mother?

Because of this, she's also been a [italic]bad[/italic] mother.

You damn right !!! Queen mum was a fun mommy they say...but lizzie dam sho wurnt.

The Queen Mother was not the reigning monarch, she had the time to spend with her kids.

^^ So much stupidity in this thread.

Sorry R212, the above was meant for R211 and some of its predecessors.

r139 I noticed that as well, but I think it worked better with sexier hair. They even bring it up when for a brief moment they gave her the correct hairstyle to remind us why Phillip started fucking other women. The Queen like Mimi Eisenhower, had terrible style in the 50s and beyond. She's is just not her thing, though she's gotten better now that she's actually an old lady, since she's always had an old lady style. Compare her to Margaret.

I don't know r171. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself like Charles does and shunning the outer world he could have come down from his high horse and thanked his lucky stars that he wasn't one of his brothers or Anne. Those are the royals that really got the short end of the stick. At least Charles has never been irrelevant or really pushed behind anyone besides the Queen and maybe Phillip. It's his siblings that had the real burden of being pushed into a job where you will never advance, but every time Kate or Meghan push out some crotch fruit, you get a demotion.

I don't really feel bad for any of them, they won the genetic lottery, but Charles is the last one in that family to feel sorry for. he's got tons of money and power.

r180 they keep clinging to that stupid story. Yes, becoming Queen and losing your father is tough. Yes, everyone else in the family will resent you for your power, but what the fuck does that have to do with not raising your children or having Prince Phillip step in as an active father. Also, this isn't the first time that a young person had to take on a throne. Her job was considerably easier that that of her predecessors since it was mainly ceremonial. Plenty of time to parent and wave to a crowd once a month. But maybe I forgot about some World War or something that was keeping Elizabeth and Phillip so busy that they couldn't raise Charles and Anne.

Example: You don't go on 3-6 month tours without your children. You don't move to Malta to pretend to be some sailor's wife, while leaving your children back home. They were terrible parents because they could be. Elizabeth was a grown ass woman with a husband and family when she took on the throne, past the age for excuses. They knew the King had surgery so he wasn't a spring chicken, and they knew he was too sick for the tour, plus he looked like death the last time she saw him.

In a nut shell, even before the Queen took on her royal duties, she and Philip chose to be deadbeat absent parents. Knowing that their son would one day reign, they still didn't see fit to bond with the him. At least Diana had to good sense to take William with her to Australia.

r185 if she wanted to marry him then she should have shown him some interests. She was flicking her bean to photos of Philip for years. It was always going to be Philip. I don't know why, but she liked his skinny ass.

Queenie Lizzie was def a dead beat mom and had the style of mamie eisenhower's dog.....a shit faced shitzu namked Chitzie

[quote]Britains are eager....

Oh, dear.

R171 Why should we feel sorry for him? In many ways, he's lived life in reverse of most other (non-Royal) baby boomers. He's basically spent his ENTIRE LIFE in retirement and he'll probably have to "work" as a king for what, maybe 15 years after his mother dies?

It wasn't having a bad mother that turned the royal children into assholes. Most of us had mothers like Lizzie: cold, detached, unloving. And most of us had fathers like Phillip: angry, resentful, bitter. But not all of us turned out to be as monstrous as the royal children are. Do you know why? Because none of us grew up with crowns on our heads.

[quote] Most of us had mothers like Lizzie: cold, detached, unloving. And most of us had fathers like Phillip: angry, resentful, bitter.

Most DLers, apparently. From all the many posts on here I've seen over the years I can't believe how many of you had awful, fucked up childhoods and are estranged from your families.

My "real world" gay friends mostly come from loving homes and have good relationships with their parents and siblings. Of course we're all late Gen X/Millennial so of course there's a generational divide with many Dlers who skew older.

R223 I'm a millennial and I had an awful fucked up childhood. I wouldn't say I'm estranged from my family, but I'm emotionally detached from them because of a list of reasons and stories and traumas that is long enough to be made into a Netflix Original Series of its own. I still didn't grow up to become like any of the royal family children, despite how I grew up in a similar situation minus the crown. Although maybe I just think I'm different because I lack introspection. Either way, the way the royal children grew up isn't uncommon. Most people grow up with parents and families like that, especially children of wealth. But not everyone grows up to be a Charles, or an Edward, or *shudder* an Andrew.

The thing that made the royal kids into awful people wasn't the fucked up family dynamic, it was the privilege that the institution of the crown provided. Children with issues who live in the real world where they are constantly beaten down, told no, and surrounded by other people (be it friends, coworkers, lovers, or enemies) who have issues of their own, learn to get over their own issues and move on with their lives. Or they at the very least learn to live with said issues and not let the anger/resentment/sadness of those issues consume them completely.

The royal kids didn't grow up in the real world. They grew up in Buckingham Palace. They never got beaten down, told no, or surrounded by friends/coworkers/enemies/lovers who had issues of their own. They grew up in a world where the universe revolved around them, and as a result they let their issues consume them. That's what turned them into horrible people.

dont know no one who would wannta cold bitch mommy like eliz.....as seen in the crown, she dint give a fuk bout em.

even rose kennedy was a better mommy!!!

Prince Harry is a good example of a spoiled Royal brat who's never had to grow up.

Normal people don't get to wallow in self pity over their fucked up childhoods and their fucked up families. They're too busy worrying about paying their bills and other normal people shit. The royal kids have had nothing but time their whole lives and as a result have done pretty much nothing but wallow in self pity.

Let's take another royal as an example of this: Margaret. How many people have been ripped away from their true loves in life? How many people have had to settle for a life they don't want, marry a man they don't love, etcetera? Hundreds of millions. How many of those people have had the time to spend every single day wallowing in self pity about that?

Getting over your issues is something that happens when your life gets consumed by things other than your issues. You get over being dumped by your boyfriend when you have to start working overtime at work. You get over your father being an asshole to you when you move into a new house and have to pay a mortgage. When you have to focus on other things, your traumas slowly begin to take a backseat until you no longer think of them anymore. The royals have nothing but time on their hands, and as a result their traumas swallow them whole.

I think Episode 10 was one of the worst. When Charles accuses Diana of hurting Camilla, what stupid shit writing was that?

r226 They are all spoiled , all their marriages are shams, they are all useless usurping inbred scum.

Diana made over 300 nuisance calls to Oliver Hoare's house. I always remembered it as being 400 calls.

R230 That’s the nice thing about having staff working for you.

R206 I've never seen those photos before! Apparently Queen Elizabeth referred to those photos as "the blackest day in the history of British journalism." That seems a bit dramatic to me, but okay. Why is it ok to take picture of any other female celebrity in a bikini, yet somehow a royal is off limits?

As an aside, can you believe that Charles is *only* 4 years older than the King of Thailand? Okay, as ridiculous as Charles is, at least he PROBABLY wouldn't make his dog a position in the Royal Air Force. It could be worse.

R232 The issue with the photos of Diana was that she was pregnant and in a bikini, rather than the bikini itself.

It was much more of a rarity for pregnant women to wear bikinis while pregnant compared to today where pretty much anything goes. In particular for a pregnant Princess of Wales.

mr hoare dam hot, dont blame her, tho lets face it she was a tad nutz

The ginger playing Hewitt is a fine piece of ass

[quote]A close friend told the Mirror: “Diana was very naughty. She would drive to his house and park up outside and then call his house phone from her mobile. She’d do it in the middle of the night, so she could watch the lights in the house go on as he scrambled to the phone. She would be there for hours, watching and calling.”

[quote]“She knew she couldn’t be with Hoare, because he was married... she wasn’t used to not getting her way. So she would enjoy taunting him and reminding him she was there.”

Wow. She’s a regular Alex Forrest.

I've only seen Elizabeth Dubicki in The Night Manager and she was the only weak link. Everybody else (including Olivia Colman) was excellent in that, but Dubicki's acting was kind of amateurish. Also, she's strange looking.

Diana was strange looking.

Diana looked like her great great great great aunt Georgianna Cavendish (Spencer). Both not the biggest beauties but had something about them that captivated some people.

This series is such a huge hit (probably bigger than the creators expected) they might just take it into the present day.

Hang on, R222, both Charles and Edward were bullied unmercifully at school. This continued throughout their entire time there. Much of the bullying centred around Charles' jug ears. Why weren't they fixed; such surgery was not uncommon in the 60s. Evidently he has had them done as an adult.

Sorry, I had to block the poster with the "fukd" spelling. Even my patience has its' limit.

R240 The first three weren’t all that huge but season 4 definitely is, as it is still number one over a week after it’s premiere.

Philip is one of those assholes who think being bullied builds character.

r243 that attitude was typical of men of his generation. You have to put it in context.

SEASON 4 IS A BLOCK BUSTA !!

Diana looked more like her maternal great-grandmother, Frances Ellen Work who was an American, than anyone on the Spencer side.

I weep ev time i watch a Diana documentary and it ends......in that g damn tunnel....misery.

Diana was lucky to favor her mother's side. Her two sea hag sisters took after the Spencer side of the family.

R221 When Lilibet finally croaks will Charles be a beloved King? Will he even be more liked than henry VIII, Richard III, John Plantagenet, James Stuart II or even his great Uncle Edward VIII? My guess Is he will go down ranked amongst them.

[quote]Even my patience has its' limit.

Ironay' So' funnay'

I think this season is such a huge hit because everybody was waiting for Diana. I know I was.

After London Bridge is down, hopefully after Forth Bridge is down, Fred and Gladys will rule in the geriatric background while the Cambridges move front and center.

R251 Yep , same reason the Meg seasons will be huge (if they decide to go that far)

I don't think people are as obsessed with Meghan as the racist old queens here on DL, r253.

Next season will be the biggest yet.

[quote]I don't think people are as obsessed with Meghan as the racist old queens here on DL,

Nobody is as obsessed with them in a negative way as that group.

BUT people are interested in seeing Harry and Meghan's romance and exit. It wouldn't be as big as Diana's appearance but it would be one of the most interesting things to happen after her untimely death. I really wish the show would go on that long. I think it would be a nice way to close it out. The Queen loses her grip on her grandson. Charles has to deal with the fact that his son wants nothing to do with royal life or duties. Diana gets her wish for one of them to have a "normal" life from beyond the grave. Throw in Will & Kate for contrast and their supposed brotherly falling out. Done.

We've finally hit a time period that Netflix's largest audience between ages 18-44 and completely comprising of Millennials (Ages 24-39) actually start to remember some details about. They're the ones on social media talking about it so damn much prompting people to write more about it since there's so much interest. That just prompts more people to watch it anyway through word of mouth.

did you guys notice the remark from The Queen to Phillip when she said that Philip had his ballerina. He had asked her why The Queen never danced for him like Diana did. Apparently Philip had an affair with a ballerina.

R181 why do you think Philip hates her. He had a lot of women but I didn't get the impression he doesn't hate her.

All married men sleep with other women at one point or another and the ones that do not sleep with men.

[quote]Throw in Will & Kate for contrast and their supposed brotherly falling out.

They could simply show Will, at age 13, icing out his own mother because he disapproved of her doing the interview with Martin Bashir. Pretty sure everything was already set in stone by that point.

That's such bullshit. About two posters who show up here from some site for the cognitively marginalized have decided anyone who criticizes Markle is racist. The fact is she's an obvious grifter, so there's plenty to criticize her for that has nothing to do with race. But those two no hopers, mad at the world, keep perpetuating that myth to rationalize their trolling.

This is interesting, early on it says Debicki would reprise the Diana role in season 6, which seemed weird as everyone has surmised that season 5 would end with the accident. But then later it says that Morgan plans to cover the accident in season 6.

Charles Spencer tries to defend his deceased sister (is that his full-time job?) and manages to shade all Americans when denouncing the show

My goodness. I didn't thnk it would have been possible. The series had made me love Diana and Thatcher! What performances.

[quote]I would not call Lizzie unfeeling, actually. She simply learned to disassociate from her emotions to deal with the issues in her life. It's not uncommon.

she seems likely to perceive others' feelings well, but just doesn't express them herself well

I don't think it's worth anyone's time listening to what Peter Morgan says he will or will not cover in the next two seasons, No matter what he's saying now, by the time they get down to actually filming it after Covid allows them to get going, all kinds of factors could change his course, including current events in the BRF and the HUGE popularity of this season pushing him to go further. Season 5 may be predictable but Season 6 is up for grabs. We'll just have to wait.

I would be there will be a lot of pressure on Morgan to up his game. The backlash over accuracy has been significant enough Netflix will at least want to have a think on it. The actors may feel a certain pressure in the sense of playing living people and playing them close to their actual age and circumstances.

Here's the whole season in just over 2 minutes.

R260 = racist old queen

least we wont have to look at h b carter's old hag face no mo

While Vanessa Kirby's was fun and interesting, HBC as Margaret is a real drag. It doesn't help that her, as well as the actress playing The Queen Mother, only exist on The Crown to serve as a Greek chorus.

The Queen Mother was adored as 'Britain's grandmother.' The Crown doesn't convey that at all.

It was always going to be Philip. I don't know why, but she liked his skinny ass. —Anonymous

totally incomprehensible why she might

cause she was a masochist.

actress playin queen mum kinda sux

More of the charming and bonny cute chap of a dandy fellow: the much forgotten Prince Edward(ina) please...

I think in order to do the current crop of assholes (William, Andrew, Harry, Kate, Meghan, the York sisters) justice an American with no desire to kiss the royal's asses would have to be in-charged. The show runner is a mess with the topics he wishes to cover. I actually don't like the idea that a $100 million show's future is in the hands of one man. I'm sure at this point, Netflix his limited say on what they do with the show since he's delivered on buzz and viewers.

I'm no royal fan but could you imagine the uproar of filming Kate seeking out William's college and getting herself in front of him whenever possible then stringing her along for a decade. He'd end up looking like Charles. Would they speculate on the cheating like they did with Phillip?

What about Meghan and Harry? Same deal, will they show Meghan using her friend to meet Harry in that bar/club? Then make up a storyline about why they rushed down the aisle.

Then we get to Andrew and his follies, the Queen covering for him, and the York girls jockeying for a spot in the firm and settling on an Italian social climber and a beer salesman. Imagine what cunty things The Queen Mother and Princess Margaret would have said about those un-royal reunions. Hell, all the grandchildren married way beneath themselves, with maybe the exception of that titled Italian.

Going to the present time would really make the royal family out to be a joke or parody, because their modern fights are just foolish.

Hopefully Season 6 of The Crown is solely dedicated to the Earl and Countess of Wessex, and how their union helped heal the wounds of a broken-hearted nation.

I still can't believe how badly one has to fuck up in the family to be regulated to just an Earl. How embarrassing. We know they didn't run out of Dukedoms to hand out. I guess Edward had to make for all the cock sucking stories they covered up for him and Prince Phillip said over his dead body would Edward get to be a fruity Royal Duke.

They pretend like it's some mutual decision, but come on, Edward was fucked up big and has been trying to get into the Queen's good graces ever since. His wife is pretty so good on him. I wonder what his stable boys look like.

Isn't Eddie up for his dad's title when Forth Bridge falls?

I hope edward sucks so much cock that queen mum has to vaccum gallons of cumwads from out his tummy monthly.

yes brenda i know queen mommy is dead as a church mouse.

I don't think Edward was punished for being gay. Something tells me the royal family is full of nancy boys. Just look at Charles, who spent pretty much the first few decades of his life a sensitive, womanless lover of the theatre. Edward probably committed some other offense, something worse, to be shoved aside like he was. Or maybe his parents are just assholes who hate him. Either way.

My guess is that the very gay Edward had to marry a woman, make the marriage stick, and produce a couple of children in order to get the dukedom. They probably thought that by the time he managed all this, Philip would be dead and he could easily be given the Edinburgh Dukedom. Nobody imagined the old sod would make it to 100.

Just listen to this instead.

Yeah, whatever happened it pissed off Philip enough to deny him a duke dome while the he lives. They tried to make it sound cute, by passing along his title to Edward but we know the truth. he failed out of his service to the nation (could only last a week). He has a noted DL history of sex with guys, specifically with a DL member back in his NYC theater days. Security would drop him off at the door so the family was aware. He probably wanted to run off with a lover or something, but they cracked the whip and made him settle down.

Him watching the Crown with his mommy sounded like the gayest shit ever. Sorry, but he sounds like the gay child up under mommy's wing since he ain't got any other hist going on in his life. If they weren't royal, Edward would have been accompanying his mother on board cruise ships.

Couldn’t they even deem him Minister of the Hats, of anything?

Sad.

They also worked it so his children would never be styled as Prince/Princess or use the HRH titles the Letters Patent granted them. It's been spun as keeping the HRHs streamlined to the direct line, and there probably is some truth in that, but it was also a neatly vicious way of keeping Edward in his place. Note also the shitty tiara that Sophie got on her wedding day. They didn't replace it with a much nicer one until she'd produced 2 children and made it past the 10th wedding anniversary.

You can always tell how the Queen feels about people by seeing how she parcels out the titles, jewels, and property. Edward will only get that coveted dukedom if he continues to behave and present as heterosexual. Any fuck-ups and he'll be an earl forever.

Some of you people should write seasons 5 & 6.

It's interesting that the current generation of royal brides were not outright given wedding tiaras. Kate has the Cambridge Lover's Knot on permanent loan, but it's not hers to pass down to Charlotte. Meghan only ever wore a royal tiara on her wedding day. I suppose the BRF learned from the experience with Sarah Ferguson, who was outright given a tiara on her wedding day that has since disappeared. Neither of her daughters wore the York tiara on their wedding day.

Sophie must have really pleased the BRF, because the aquamarine tiara she was given as a wedding present is a stunner. And it's hers outright, not a loan.

**anniversary present

Lmao at R286, the soothsaying gossip queen. She’s full of shit, but definitely keeps this thread interesting.

R291: Amen. I didn't mean R287 as a compliment! ;)

It's a GOSSIP board, you judgemental nellies. If we relied entirely on peer-reviewed scholarly articles regarding the royal family, we'd be FUCKED, wouldn't we?

I'd love to have an Edward gay episode or two. I know just the actor that can play him. Why, because Joseph Mawle is hot and not opposed to gay scenes.

[quote]Kate has the Cambridge Lover's Knot on permanent loan, but it's not hers to pass down to Charlotte.

Of course not ... it's going to be MINE!!!

I hope George grows into his looks because he's looking too much like his Great Grandmother and that's not a good look on a boy/man.

I wonder if the royal family knows that the reason people like The Crown is that the show actually makes them seem relatable. I understand why they hate it (who would want to watch a show that re-enacts the worst, most traumatic moments of your life) but they should recognize that the show is actually good for their image. It makes them seem almost like normal people, albeit in a way that proves the "everyone has their own baggage" mantra.

The royal family hates The Crown BECAUSE it makes them seem human, not in spite of it.

[quote] r286 They also worked it so his children would never be styled as Prince/Princess or use the HRH titles the Letters Patent granted them.. it was a neatly vicious way of keeping Edward in his place. Note also the shitty tiara that Sophie got on her wedding day.

Oh god, we’re discussing the dad of those two bug eyed wretches?? Get that WHOLE LINE out of here; they’re lame and creepy and horrible.

Everyone already knows they are human. That was mad apparent during the Diana era. The difference is that most people don't personally like all of them so there is always snipping from one faction against another. No one sees them as some perfect or noble family. They are just fuck ups.

The Diana era, or more importantly the 80s into the 90s, was a exercise in self-harm. They didn't support their second most popular asset, Diana. They didn't live up to their religious expectations and all of them minus the gay one got a divorce. And their children are equally as wild and entitled. Harry marrying Meghan after a few moths of dating. William walking around with COVID and cheating on his wife. The Yorks allowing their mother to embarrass the family. Margaret's hot grandson being left out despite him being the last good looking Windsor in existence these days. Just one big tragedy.

Everyone they marry, minus Sophie, all look like grifters with money and fame in their eyes. The royal family ruined their own illusions by acting like the children of celebrities instead of royals. The Swedish Monarchy should be the one revered because their children have been calm, respectful, and duty bound. Plus the Prince Carl Philip can do no harm in my book.

I mean, it's like a Hallmark movie version of a royal couple. HOT!!!

Well, it's impossible to argue with R300's very personal line of reasoning...

I need Prince Carl Philip inside me quite deeply

r302 you're gunna have to pry his half Brazilian cock out from the grips of that gap-toothed woman he married.

[quote]I need Prince Carl Philip inside me quite deeply

As Princess Di found out on her wedding night, all rulers are not 12 inches.

They are told from childhood on that they have "royal blood", ordained by God, and they are superior to others.

That grows arrogance beyond measure. And they have little patience for those outside that bloodline. I don't think they even realize how their royalty destroys anything close to just being a human being. Hell - Charles has a valet put toothpaste on his toothbrush.

Did the queen have someone insert her tampons her whole life?

Why doesn’t someone ask her?

Bitch hasn't menstruated since 1959.

Ma'am does not defecate. Ma'am merely expresses an opinion.

I can’t believe our tax dollars went toward someone being Official Crammer of the Tampons.

[quote]Hell - Charles has a valet put toothpaste on his toothbrush.

As we saw in "The Crown," the Queen not only puts her own toothpaste on her brush -- she doesn't even have an electric one. (At least not in the 1980s.)

"Why weren't they fixed; such surgery was not uncommon in the 60s."

Not everyone feels the need to have plastic surgery and I never thought his appearance was THAT bad....different strokes for different folks

Speaking of tiaras, am I the only person who finds them kinda tacky? I don't think they look that good - but I might have been ruined by that phase when all the girls would go out on the town with cheap plastic ones in their hair, referring to themselves as princesses all night.

The ONLY time tiaras look sophisticated is when they're worn during a wedding. The Queen still looks nice in them because she's a holdover from a bygone era. But Kate and a lot of the other younger European royals look so silly in them.

[quote]Going to the present time would really make the royal family out to be a joke or parody, because their modern fights are just foolish.

That's why we have the sitcom "The Windsors" which really skewers the family. Kathryn Drysdale is hilarious as Meghan. Half of her lines end in "Just like when I was on Suits."

I hope the call the last season “The Crone.”

"The Windsors" is so ridiculous that it's really charming too. I love how there'll be a scene where the air gets chilly and the characters' breaths become noticeable and they turn around and low and behold! There's Anne! Beatrice and Eugenie are awesome too: "We don't have the work ethic! It's been bred out of us!"

I just started series 3 and cracked up when Camilla turns up to Meghan's door dressed like the grim reaper, haha!

In the NYC hospital scene when Diana hugs the AIDS child, they did NOT employ an American actress to play the doctor. The role is played by British actress Annette Badland. They can't just come over here and steal our acting jobs!

I thought the doctor was Cherry Jones at first 😂

Cherry always plays doctors so perfectly, I would totally go to her if she was real.

#Justice4Cherry

Crown Season 4 snubs Cherry Jones of important cameo role as doctor, what other American actors have missed out in roles during the series run?

Diana really did get the last laugh in the end. She will haunt Charles and Camilla until their dying day, they will never know peace, not even for a moment. Even decades after her death, she's still there. Charles' punishment for how he treated her when she was alive will be having to live with her looming over his shoulder forever.

[quote]God has a very funny way of making all of us pay for our mistakes

No "he" doesn't.

They will never know peace. Camilla may have broken up Charles and Diana's marriage but Diana stained theirs.

Diana once said "There were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded" in reference to Camilla. Funny how that's still true even as the tables have turned.

Charles and Camilla afraid The Crown will ruin their "finally reclaimed" image.

Found it hilarious that they had to include an eating disorder trigger warning for the marriage episode, but not for Mountbatten dying in an explosion or the countless scenes of animal slaughter/skinning or the mutually abusive relationship between Margot and Tony which included scenes of physical violence.

It's weird what we've decided is too traumatizing to show without a warning and what isn't.

R235 Those dull cunts were hated before the crown and will be hated after!

R326 Why, are there still many people dealing with PTSD from IRA bombing?

R326, you didn't actually see any carnage in the bombing.

And the number of people who've had an eating disorder is higher than the number of people who've been bombed

I was bombed last night

"We could end up like Princess Margaret's children..."

"Not even characters on The Crown!"

It was probably the result of your eating disorder r330.

[quote]They will never know peace. Camilla may have broken up Charles and Diana's marriage but Diana stained theirs.

They're living in their own version of Blithe Spirit.

I can't get enough of Emma Corrin as Diana.

[quote]The role is played by British actress Annette Badland.

Annette Badland played Coroner Fleur Perkins on "Midsomer Murders."

[quote]low and behold

Oh, dear.

R51 - I agree with you. I mentioned this on the last thread. I really don't care if they show him obviously being a creep, because he is one, but it was really ham-fisted in a way it didn't need to be. There was no reason for the Queen to be horrified that the age of the girl in the movie was 17, because that is over the age of consent, then and now and has been for over a century. She wouldn't have cared about that. It would've been much better to have her horrified at the predatory nature of the storyline and have him not care about it. It still would've fit in with what has come out recently, and it would've made sense too.

It sucks having to say goodbye to Emma so soon. She was the highlight of this season.

The actress who plays Diana will be the highlight of next season as well. A Mop with a wig could play Diana and still be the highlight.

you are all quite cunty

R288 Diana was also only loaned the lover’s knot tiara, it was never hers. This just wasn’t mentioned at the time of the wedding. Fergie was given a tiara, which was actually quite pretty, as an outright gift. It wasn’t from then royal collection. Sophie got a total clunker, a really embarrassingly ugly tiara.

R341 it’s generally believed that good old Fergie pawned her tiara years ago which is why Sophie got something cobbled together from bits and pieces from the Royal vault. As Sophie has stood the test of time she’s been given access to some much better tiaras. But agreed, that wedding tiara (which Edward apparently designed) was a shocker.

Reading up on Diana's grandmother, Lady Fermoy. What a cunt!

I personally think whilst beautiful jewels enhance the beauty of young, pretty women, they make old, ugly women look even older and uglier in contrast. Eg, Camilla....

I personally think whilst beautiful jewels enhance the beauty of young, pretty women, they make old, ugly women look even older and uglier in contrast. Eg, Camilla....

Nerissa Bowes-Lyon looked a lot like her aunt Cookie, didn’t she?

Diana didn't need to borrow a royal tiara for the wedding--she used her own family piece, the exquisite Spencer tiara that she wore throughout her time as princess along with the Cambridge lover's knot and a couple of others. The Spencer tiara was a loan too, which she eventually had to return when she got in a strop with her brother Charles, the legal owner.

What the hell is a strop and did she ever get out of it? I’m kind of imagining something like quicksand?

Exactly, R348. The grounds of Althorp are littered with deadly strops. Diana and her brother were nearly pulled in! Sadly, the tiara was lost to the stroppy quicksand.

In episode 3, when Diana's car pulls up for her to move into the palace, a footman? opens the door for her and you can see that she's been drawing smiley faces on the frosty glass.

Not going to search 1200 replies to see if it's been mentioned before.

The direction is fantastic.

R300 H&M did not get married after dating for a only few months. Harry & Meghan had been dating for 2 years before they got engaged in Nov 2017. They married 6 months later in May 2018.

[quote] Annette Badland played Coroner Fleur Perkins on "Midsomer Murders."

She’s had a very good career and been in many tv shows. She also played the weird neighbor in Little Voice.

Lots of Klan Grannies have invaded the thread to defend disgusting Charles and Hoemilla.

Josh O'Connor is going to have a long and successful career I think (knock on wood). He's incredibly attractive but in a normal person, non-plastic-y way, so he can be a leading man but he can also be a character actor. He's incredibly talented and great at disappearing into his roles. He's unafraid to do stuff like nudity. By all accounts he's incredibly pleasant behind the scenes, easy to work with, and very puppy-ish in demeanor. I don't want to jinx it, but he's got a super bright future ahead of him I think.

Josh seems very charismatic and sweet. Posted on instagram yesterday about missing his friends from God's Own Country. I like him and I hope The Crown has opened a lot of career opportunities for him, because I want to see him do well. He's a cute little ray of sunshine.

I like to think that the royals could become friends with the people playing them. Maybe it's idealistic of me, but it's cute to think about.

[quote]I personally think whilst beautiful jewels enhance the beauty of young, pretty women, they make old, ugly women look even older and uglier in contrast.

Which is a shame because old, ugly women are generally the ones who actually own them. Same for beautiful, expensive clothes.

Younger women have no need for jewels and expensive clothes because those things are distractions from one's natural beauty and youth, and younger women already have natural beauty and youth. Older women cling to jewels and expensive clothes because they hope that the glitter of the diamonds and the silk will be bright enough to blind you to their wrinkles.

Josh is doing a National Theater production of Romeo & Juliet, opposite Jessie Buckley ("Fargo.") It will be televised on PBS.

Is he playing Romeo? If so, he's a bit long in the tooth for that

I like big dick Josh.

r354, and to me, she is Glamilla.

charles is being cuntish

Thirty is the outer limit of when you can play Romeo onstage. He's getting in just under the wire there. David Tennant did a very well-regarded Romeo at age 29.

In Favorites, Edward says (of Charles), “impressively cunty”.

Richard Madden, who unfortunately already looks a decade older than her is, also did Romeo at age 29 to not so kind reviews.

*he, that wasn’t a purposeful misgendering !

[Quote] I like to think that the royals could become friends with the people playing them. Maybe it's idealistic of me, but it's cute to think about.

It's actually feels a little weird to me. I can't think of any other people with a fictional film made about them while they are still alive.

Can anyone?

Marcia Clark and Sarah Paulson are now friends.

I just finished the final episode. This season was brilliant from the beginning until the end. However, I'm surprised how it managed to shift some of my longheld opinions of everyone involved.

Margaret Thatcher was more monsterous than I imagined...

Although I once considered Charles and Camilla a packaged deal...I do have a bit more sympathy for her, and even less for him...

The Queen has lived quite a life, but I don't think much of her as a person. It'd be unfair to claim the show is 100% accurate in its characterization of her. However, the way her children turned out, and the reporting of how little support Margaret and Diana received, speaks volumes...

r371, Team Glamilla!!!

And Impressively Cunty was in Episode 48:1.

It sums up Charles in a phrase.

R371 There isn’t a single queen (or king) that wasn’t a piece of a shit. At least Victoria wasn’t a racist but she had shit children as well. The privilege (and inbreeding) makes them monsters.

True, R373, but as a child of the 80s I grew up with a perception of The Queen that cast her as a sweet, little old lady. I suppose Philip's monologue to Diana at the end of S4/E10 summed up the reality of the situation. In the end, she's the only one that matters, so maybe it's understandable she has little regard for others.

I love thatchers fierce monologue over the phone to the queen, vowing revenge on the ira. Gillian was brilliant.

R143, some have suggested that what upset Charles was not that Diana danced at the event (a fundraiser for Covent Garden) but that he was left out.

Charles himself had performed a comedy routine with Diana at the previous year's event and he may have taken her secretly moving on to a different partner for the next years performance as a slight.

Since in real life it was not a birthday event, why would she keep it secret?

I think it would be fantastic if Charles and Harry Enfield were friends.

The other characterisations on The Windsors are a bit too cruel for the royals to befriend the actors who play them, except perhaps the York girls and maybe Kate.

[quote]I like to think that the royals could become friends with the people playing them. Maybe it's idealistic of me, but it's cute to think about.

[quote]It's actually feels a little weird to me. I can't think of any other people with a fictional film made about them while they are still alive. Can anyone?

I think for awhile Sissy Spacek was friendly with Loretta Lynn after she played her in Coal Miner's Daughter. Sissy sang with Loretta at the Grand Ole Opry.

r374, indeed. the royal failing is that when QEII ascended the throne she was very young and inexperienced, she needed protection, by the eighties she sure as hell didn't. That the royals protect the sovereign is wise, but protecting the future sovereign is even wiser, something they didn't chose and something that will affect the royals for generations to come.

Just like the royal family's reputation and popularity waned in the 80s, the royal characters in The Crown become less appealing as the story moves into the 80s.

This in spite of the fact that the show tries to present the Queen's feelings about Diana sympathetically and tries to make Charles' feelings comprehensible.

Why does Josh look so different in that gay movie he did? He's so much more handsome now, did he have cosmetic surgery?

R381 His hair is different. He's finally figured out that he has nice hair and is letting it grow out and get curly as a result.

His coloring looks different too.

He looks gaunt and 40 lbs skinnier back then.

What the hell is this article talking about the Learning Disabilities of the hidden royals, they weren’t dyslexic, they were profoundly mentally disabled?

[quote] One line that was removed was the implication William considers Carole Middleton the mother he never had!

He had a mother for fifteen years.

Not enough time, surely; but he still had a mother.

Josh has no makeup on in Gods country.

Well, that's the point, R386. The comment was made in order to be unnecessarily cruel. Kate had to have been involved in getting that line pulled, and I doubt it was lost on her how much something like that would hurt her husband.

R65 Yes! That mouth bit is directly from Julianne Moore. It's present in Thatcher, but I feel Anderson exaggerated it.

I was initially pleased with Gillian Anderson's performance. And I don't know if the making-of clip at R3 was done before they were finished, and Anderson was trying to keep as much of the character as she could, or if that's just how she sounds now.

I realize she has a long history with London, and has lived there since 2002 (according to Wikipedia), AND I realize that people sometimes pick up accents over time, just by living in a particular locale.

Also: actors sometimes take time to get rid of character after a project wraps, but she was born in the United States. And if she wasn't still retaining the character for further shooting, how embarrassing for her.

Diana was a wonderful, loving mother during the time she was alive and Charles at least didn't force the boys to go to Gordonstoun like Philip forced him. He probably knew it would tip both of them over into brutality to avoid being brutalised. Both Wills and Harry come across as potential bully boys. Kate looks scared of Wills sometimes and Harry only found his match with someone formidable who he couldn't order around like he could the milksops Chelsey and the other one.

R391 Kate looks scared of William because he and his family decide her future and her fate.

'Kate looks scared of William because he and his family decide her future and her fate.'

He's not Henry Viii for God's sake. I'm sure she'd prefer Pippa's life of leisure and long holidays in St Barthes at her in laws' beautiful hotel. Pippa won't be cutting ribbons in the rain in her 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 100s like Kate and William. Harry and Meghan escaped that fate too.

R392, Kate knew what she was getting into. I’m sure her life will be pretty tolerable. The clothes! The jewels! She’ll be fine.

[quote]I'm sure she'd prefer Pippa's life of leisure and long holidays in St Barthes at her in laws' beautiful hotel.

Um, Kate will be the fucking QUEEN OF ENGLAND. Who gives a fuck about some hotel on some island when you're headed for that?

Is that weird parlor game they were playing at Balmora, "ibble dibble" I think, where they bout ink dots on their faces, a real game?

[quote]I realize she has a long history with London, and has lived there since 2002 (according to Wikipedia), AND I realize that people sometimes pick up accents over time, just by living in a particular locale.

R390, Longer than that, dear.

Gillian she was born in the US but her parents moved to London right after so her father could attend London Film School.

She lived there until she was 11 so that *is* her natural accent.

For years she'd do UK interviews with the accent but do US ones with an American one. Some time ago she said fuck it and stuck to the British one for all interviews.

r395 she won't be the sovereign though, just the spouse. No small job but it's really not that different from her current position. The only difference is that she can terrorize the other royal ladies, William will still call the shots. Pippa gets to live a somewhat similar lifestyle with no scrutiny. She got money and freedom. Kate has money and soft power. Both can be great, but there is a reason that other wealthy women avoided the royal princes, they know that privacy is worth more than a royal title and position.

[quote] And Impressively Cunty was in Episode 48:1.

Wait. What???

A friend of a friend of mine went to drama school with Gillian Anderson.

The British accent is 100% affectation...she turns it on and off at will.

I guess you could argue she turns the American accent on and off at will but per my friend's friend, her regular speaking voice was American accented albeit with a British pronunciation on certain words and the use of a British accent was always deliberate and usually for affect...not surprising in a young drama student.

I think we need to sneak into Gillian’s room at night and hear what she sounds like when she talks in her sleep. That is the only way to verify exactly what her accent is or is not.

I think the fact that Harry has removed himself from the royal family and married an outsider kind of proves that he is James Hewitt's son. He's not even pretending anymore.

I think the fact that Harry has removed himself from the royal family and married an outsider kind of proves that he is James Hewitt's son. He's not even pretending anymore.

I listened to the official Crown podcast and Emma Corrin will be back in season 5 in flashback scenarios because she did such a good job this season. Like another poster said upthread, Diana's death is planned for season 6.

That's good news, R404. I hope she and Josh O'Connor win Emmys for their respective performances.

I was pleased to learn the original plan was to only do one more season, but Peter Morgan decided there was just too much material to cover.

He specifically noted that while people have become accustomed to each season covering a decade, the next two together will only span several years. I suspect season 5 will include The Queen's Annus Horribilis speech, more Fergie and Andrew, Prince Philip's increasing number of public gaffes, and Diana colluding with Andrew Morton.

R400, this is not uncommon. I know someone who was raised in America but has parents from two different South American countries. She has three accents and depending on who she is speaking to they turn on and off. She says it is not conscious. But when she is on the phone you can tell which side of the family she is speaking to.

That is the most dramatic, but I know other cases where people have more than one accent and they do go on or off with the circumstances. The most common thing I see is someone speaking in a standard American accent in the office, but with an accent when talking to family member.

[QUOTE] Um, Kate will be the fucking QUEEN OF ENGLAND. Who gives a fuck about some hotel o

She'll be the king's wife not a queen like E2 is. And she'll never be able to retire. There's nobody in Wills' generation to share all the tedious royal duties with, so she's going to have to work much more than Charles or E2 did. Imagine traipsing round planting trees when you're 90.

She'll still be a queen.

But will she be anointed with holy oils, r408????

Holy shit...if people haven't realized by season 4 of The Crown that being queen isn't as wonderful as it's made out to be, they're completely oblivious.

Being queen might represent a symbolic victory by Kate over those who joked about her middle class roots or mother's career as a flight attendant. However, is her life truly one to envy? The constant scrutiny...a life of ribbon cuttings and ceremonies...having to remain guarded for fear of having private details leaked to the press...

Yes, she'll be queen one day (most likely), but at what cost?

r406, the name for that is code switching

[quote]However, is her life truly one to envy? The constant scrutiny...a life of ribbon cuttings and ceremonies...having to remain guarded for fear of having private details leaked to the press..

On the other hand, she will want for nothing. She will always eat the best food, she will receive the best medical care, she will always have a warm place to live, she will have access to the best cultural events.

I can not believe that any of those kids still WANT to be king or queen, especially William and Kate. After hearing all the horror stories, watching The Crown, and having gotten a taste of real normal life (thanks largely in part to Diana) why the hell would you ever want the throne?

Knowing that William, Kate, Harry, and Megan all watch The Crown, I find it hard to imagine that any of them really still want the throne. They want the bells and whistles that come with the family, yes, but I don't think they really want the throne itself.

There are bells? There are whistles?

You can already tell William has been brainwashed to believe he has a duty to his country to prepare to become king. Charles has seemed to back away from his earlier sense of entitlement as far as becoming king is concerned, but despite popular belief, I don't believe he would step aside for William (although I could see him abdicating if he were in poor health---unlike his mother).

Anyway, my point is, while I doubt anyone WANTS the throne, I do believe Charles and William are committed to the Firm...and would do everything in their power to ensure the monarchy continues.

Everyone throws around this throne idea, but have we ever seen one? Is there even a throne room at Buckingham Palace? Seriously, is there a symbolic seat of England, was it used at coronation and where does it reside?

That was a good question R409. During Wills coronation will Kate be anointed with any sort of holy oils as a consort. Did Phillip? I know Phillip had to kneel before the Queen which was a problem per the Crown. I assume Kate will have to do the same thing?

R402 Girl no, his Windsor genes are apparent.

It's the nose, which became more apparent as he got older. He's got Charle's nose.

Harry looks more and more like a Wallace & Gromit character as he ages.

R420 Well that’s good, heaven knows Charles doesn’t anymore.

eyes close together, and balding

Harry, even today, is still hotter than anybody else in his family. You all hate to hear it because of how tiresome him and his wife are, but Harry is still the hottest Windsor.

R424 Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, declaring someone to be the "hottest" Windsor is like saying there's a "smart" Trump family member. It's a low bar.

Harry looks a bit like Philip--same close-set eyes, same nose. The rest is all Spencer.

R425 That's blatantly untrue. The Windsors may not age well but a lot of them were handsome in their respective times. I think Harry has aged in reverse than most of the Windsors, though. Ugly child, semi-handsome adult.

The Windsors have the potential for beauty, but sadly it's wiped out around their 30's. Look at William.

R427 Whatever you say... They're not monsters, but yikes.

The only reason anyone ever thought Harry might have been James Hewitt's biological child was because of the red hair. But red hair is a famous Spencer family characteristic: Diana's father had red hair, and all three of her siblings have red hair (or did, before it turned grey).

Diana did not even meet James Hewitt until after Harry was born. And today Harry looks just like Charles (but with Spencerian red hair).

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I agree R424. At present, Harry is the hottest of the first string, A-List Royals. There is a guy who is like a second string cousin, last named Windsor who I forget but has been featured on here. He is currently the hottest of the overall Windsors. Is it Margot's grandson?

[quote] Everyone throws around this throne idea, but have we ever seen one? Is there even a throne room at Buckingham Palace? Seriously, is there a symbolic seat of England, was it used at coronation and where does it reside?

There is a throne room at Buckingham Palace, and they've shown it in several epidodes of "the Crown," most notably in 4.5, "Fagan," where Michael Fagan comes in and sits on the queen's throne.

The actual throne of the United kingdom, though, is the coronation throne: St. Edward's Chair. It was built by Edward I (aka Edward Longshanks) to house Scotland's Stone of Scone (kept underneath the seat for centuries, now kept in Scotland except for the actual coronation). It was made to honor Edward the Confessor (no relation to Edward I, but a king of Wessex) in 1300. It is housed in Westminster Abbey.

[quote] Harry, even today, is still hotter than anybody else in his family. You all hate to hear it because of how tiresome him and his wife are, but Harry is still the hottest Windsor.

If you consider Harry “hot”, R424, we shudder to think of what you consider unattractive.

[quote]I know other cases where people have more than one accent and they do go on or off with the circumstances.

It's interesting, and in fact [italic]everyone[/italic] does this. People think they don't because they laugh at Madonna for example, but just keep an eye out for it and you'll notice it all the time. It may be subtle, but in group situations people's accents will change as a kind of form of social bonding. Often they will change to mimic the person deemed to be the alpha in any group. That person's vocabulary, expressions, manner of speaking, tone etc, will all be used. I find it fascinating.

[quote]It was built by Edward I (aka Edward Longshanks) to house Scotland's Stone of Scone (kept underneath the seat for centuries, now kept in Scotland except for the actual coronation). It was made to honor Edward the Confessor (no relation to Edward I, but a king of Wessex) in 1300. It is housed in Westminster Abbey.

If you want an interesting movie, watch "Stone of Destiny" which is about the Scottish stealing the stone and returning it to Scotland.

Wow, that sounds like a fascinating story, R435! I've never heard of it before!

[quote]his Windsor genes are apparent.

Harry has the same scowl as Charles.

he's no royal

When I was in college, I knew Andrew Sullivan, who was a graduate student and involved himself in a lot of undergraduate theater productions (which was how I knew him--he was a pretty good actor, at least back then).

He spoke back then with a thick lower-class British accent (I was told it was a Sussex accent). About two years after I graduated and he had become editor of the New Republic, and I heard him speak for the first time on TV: I was shocked to hear that all trace of his native English accent was gone, and he spoke with a mid-American accent--obviously because he was desperately trying to fit into the American punditry line-up so he would be invited to appear on TV as much as possible.

It worked very well for him, but not everyone has his gift for vocal mimicry.

[quote]Diana's death is planned for season 6.

Spoiler alert!

r439 How milky were his loads back then?

Harry Hewitt--er, I mean, Windsor--is very nice looking.

Vicky had one of my favorite post-coronation thrones. And I love that she was single, so there was no companion, unlike her descendants.

Too bad Gemma Jones isn't a bit younger. She would have made a good Camilla in 5 & 6.

I completely understand why they hired O'Connor to play Charles. His portrayal is the only reason Charles isn't a borderline villain in the show. The hunched posture, the timid demeanor, all of the things the people on the DL are shitting on him for are the only things keeping Charles tethered to humanity on this show. Without them he's just a callous monster.

Charles owes O'Connor a huge thank you. I'm sure he probably hates him, but O'Connor is going to great lengths as an actor to make sure Charles isn't seen as the monster that the world thinks he is in his portrayal of him. He's actually making him seem somewhat human and sympathetic. Charles owes Josh a fruit basket.

or a blowjob

R447 Charles wishes.

For O'Connor's sake, I hope Charles sends that fruit basket before he gets to the "I hug who I want to" speech. It was essentially a snapping of the fingers, which woke people up from the delusion Charles is a sympathetic victim of his upbringing.

[quote] The ONLY time tiaras look sophisticated is when they're worn during a wedding.

That's about the only time they're worn anymore, except for state dinners, and for premieres at the ballet or the opera.

Tiaras should always be worn when receiving analingus.

I am curious whom they will cast as Camilla, Princess Anne, the Queen Mother, John and Norma Major, and Tony and Cherie Blair for seasons #5 and 6.

Some Brits have said they want the show to cast Miranda Hart as Anne, although I'm curious whether she could be tough enough and snappish enough. (She also would be too tall, though she does look a bit like her facially.)

How about Kate Winslet as Camilla?

[quote] Charles owes Josh a fruit basket.

Josh's basket is already an overflowing cornucopia of delectables, as those fortunate enough to have seen GOC can attest.

Marc Ozall is cast as John Major in Season 4. He appeared in one of Thacher's cabinet meetings and presented a remarkable likeness. Don't see why he would age out in Season 5, and he may not even be in Season 6

They recast for each two season segment.

r456 Not always.

Winnie, you got two season

John Lthgow came back to die in season 3. I think that was the only holdover, and understandable given all his awards.

The only reasons they brought back Lithgow and Foy in season 3 was because they were each only in one scene. Because the scenes were important, they needed to show them; but it would not have made sense to re-cast the roles again just for one scene.

[quote]Marc Ozall is cast as John Major in Season 4. He appeared in one of Thacher's cabinet meetings and presented a remarkable likeness.

They may use him, but they might not since he had nothing to say and they didn;t need to worry about his readings--just his looks (which is why they got a phenomenal lookalike). They used different actors to play Edward and Andrew in the last episode of Season 3 than they used in Season 4, again because they just needed to appear in passing (in this case, in the lineup of her family members as the queen processed .to her carriage for the Silver Jubilee).

I would guess they will cast for a new actor unless they were really happy with Ozall's readings. It will be a major role next season because I think they will only go just up to Blair's first year as prime Minister in Season 5, and there will have to be a lot of John Major in the season.

Is it true that Morgan said he won't be covering the death of Diana in huge detail because of The Queen already existing? If that's the case, I could imagine the end of season 5 being Diana leaving the hotel or something similar, with the audience knowing what is about to happen, and season 6 starting after the aftermath of that, but who knows?

It'd be silly of them not to do the death of Diana. The Charles/Diana drama is the thing keeping the show afloat. As Coleman has proved, The Queen herself is not a very interesting person. What would they focus on if not Charles and Diana and still be able to maintain the public's interest?

I agree R462, in fact I would say after Diana there's never really been much interesting in their lives since. Except for that time Beatrice and Eugenie turned up to William and Kate's wedding in those outfits. Other than that, pretty snooze worthy.

They've cast Lesley Manville as Margaret in Season 5 & 6. Obviously, they're going to have some strong Margaret stories because Lesley Manville is high profile.

The timeline will be interesting. Season 4 ended with Charles & Diana asking for divorce. They announced divorce in 1992, divorced in 1996 and Diana died in 1997. Margaret died in 2002. So all of Season 5 and part of Season 6 will be the 1990s.

Season 6 will have to spend an episode on the London terrorist acts of July 7, 2005. And will they cover 9/11?

Clearly the rule applies: cuntessa will be a Cunt

Once more for those in the cheap seats: Peter Morgan has said that the last 2 seasons are going to cover a comparitively shorter period than previous season.

The original plan from the beginning was to do 6 seasons. At some point in the 3rd season, it was announced the 5th would be the last.

However, in recent interviews Peter Morgan has said that while mapping out what was set to be the last season, season 5, he felt there was too much ground to cover. So even if it isn't a standard 10-episode season, the 6th will likely not go much further than Diana's death.

My theory is season 5 will end around the time of Annus Horriblus---the separations of Anne, Charles, and Diana, as well as the fire at Windsor Castle will represent a monarchy in decline.

The sixth season will probably be heavy on Charles and Diana, but I think there will be an effort to show how the monarchy tries to understand its role in a changing world.

Glad they are part of the effort to show what a sociopath Thatcher was. Unlike people like Streep who tiptoed around it to get her golden statue.

R467 Yep, the reminder that Thatcher (and Reagan) pulled the plug on efficient, effective, and compassionate government. Our ideas of what government was even for are still seen through the warped filter of them. Continued to corrode reason through Gingrich, Rove/Bush, Tea Party and MAGA (Brexit, UKIP, Farage, and bilious Boris).

Nothing to share about this season:

I convinced my mother to watch S4 with me. She is around Diana's age (but we are American), and only knew of a few things. The lives of European royalty was never of interests to her. I watched as my mother slowly got hooked into the show. It's been a pleasure to get her to watch something on Netflix/Hulu that isn't a periodical like SVU or CSI reruns.

Since she's arrived on Wednesday for Thanksgiving we've made it through S4 and S1. Stating S2 tomorrow, we don't have much else to do besides quarantining due to the Governor's orders. I live alone so it's been fun to rewatch this with someone else and yell at the screen with a partner. Watching my mother's emotional investment in S4 was a hoot. She was disappointed because she thought she'd see the death. I had to break the news that we have to wait until 2022 for more Diana and Charle's drama.

Watching S1, has been a bit more enlightening because I'm hearing a woman's perspective about the Queen's actions. My mother is no lover of history, and she said even though she knows it's fake, it feels like history coming to life a bit. Hopefully, The Crown will encourage other shows to make investments in historical periods beyond the sensation aspects of a time and dive into the human aspects of an era as well.

Now, around 6pm we will make some popcorn, grab a cup of tea, and watch The Crown.

She's the only family member with me this Thanksgiving, everyone else coupled up as well to ensure that no one was alone. When I told my dad about the show he said that she is probably pretending to like the show because I like it and we get to bond. Maybe he's right, but it doesn't much matter. I'll cherish this little alone time with my mother after so much time alone and away from family due to COVID. As a good son, I offered to put on a movie or something else two nights in a row but she insisted on The Crown, so suck it dad, lol.

Whatever my mother's motives, this show is giving us something to bond and gossip over. Helped us forget for a bit about this ad-normal holiday weekend. Plus, S2 is still the best in my opinion can't wait to start it tomorrow.

I hope everyone stay's safe!

Watching The Crown with Mother is just the gayest thing ever.

I've been rationing the episodes, one a night or every other night, because I don't want it to end. I just finished episode 8 and was enthralled (and laughed and snorted when Edward made the "impressively cunty" remark.

I know r470 and sharing it on DL doesn't help my cause but one day my mother won't be on this Earth so I'm going to enjoy these little moments.

Gay shmay. It's great that you have this opportunity and are being awake and alive enough to appreciate it, to want it.

Happiness is defined as wanting what you have.

[quote]Hopefully, The Crown will encourage other shows to make investments in historical periods beyond the sensation aspects of a time and dive into the human aspects of an era as well.

I hope this too.

The Culture Secretary of the UK is demanding Netflix include a disclaimer at the top of The Crown that reminds viewers it's fiction!

That's right, a TV show featuring actors is not real!

r475 that's so foolish. We all know that Charles was a dirty cheater. We know his wife was more engaging mother. We know that his sons really only see him during royal engagements, so their relationship isn't even strong. We know his wife would be alive if she was granted her HRH status which would have included her own driver and security detail. We know he wanted to be a tampon.

So this may be embellished but the person the public preferred died, meanwhile Charles got to have his cake and eat it too. He and the royal family, with their pedo enabling (Andrew still has his title and homes!), and cheating ways, deserve a bit of bad PR.

That pic of Charles in R475 -- his eyes are so close together he looks like a fucking Cyclops

Someone either upthread or in a previous thread tried to claim nobody in the BRF cares about The Crown; basically dismissing it as insignificant in their eyes.

I'd be willing to wager Charles has PTSD when it comes to the way he was vilified in the 90's---before, during, and after his divorce from Diana. While I remain a fan of Josh O'Connor, I have to say his characterization had me hating Charles in a way I'd never experienced. It's one thing to read a news article, or hear an anecdote from a biased interview subject. But the show is such a sensation I can see why Charles/the British government might be afraid of old wounds being reopened.

While the official line is that it’s all fiction, whenever they give examples of the fictitious parts, they seems to be minor moments.

I believe overall, the series gets the themes right

I wished they had shown the 1983 tour of California by Elizabeth and Phillip. It was a disaster. The plan was to use Britannia for the trip, but that had to be canceled because of the bad storms in California at the time. The Reagan made numerous gaffes with royal protocol, Frank Sinatra devised a show to salute the Queen at the Fox backlot that was an unfunny mess with nasty food, and Philip acted like an asshole (he slapped the back of a Secret Service agent’s head because the car was moving too slow and deliberately shut the car door on Reagan’s chief of protocol when she tried to calm him down).

[quote]The Reagan made numerous gaffes with royal protocol,

There's video of Ronnie asking the Queen why she doesn't have decaf coffee at some event hosted by the British Embassy or something like that. Really, asking THE QUEEN such a question!

He was a former president at that time r481. It was Reagan that asked for the coffee during the event. Nancy had to ask for it to be decaf because it was late. Reagan was already out of it so his mushy mind tried to make conversation about coffee while Nancy looked on like his nurse. Karma for a hateful conservative. It did occur on the Britannia. I think it was during the Bush Sr years.

The best part of the video is the way that the Queen is speaking to Reagan as if he was “special”, which he was, by then.

“YES we’re GETTING you your COFFEE”.

The current Showtime documentary series on the Reagans really shows who awful they both were. In this day and age of social media and the internet and much more scrutiny of public figures/celebrities, they would never have been able to have the public images they both had back in those days.

HOW awful they both were. Sorry.

r480, Armisted Maupin has a delightful send up of HRH and Prince Philip in one of his Tales of the City books about this trip to San Fran

She’s HM not HRH, R486.

Watching all of those scenes of Diana barfing kept reminding me of George Costanza's girlfriend who was "refunding."

Can you explain r488?

For R489

[Quote] The Reagan made numerous gaffes with royal protocol

To be fair, “Royal Protocols” don’t apply to anyone outside of the UK.

Why the fuck should any other country care what Britain’s Royal Protocols are?

The Queen better have the damned decaf ready!

The Palace is scared shitless that this season and next season of The Crown will doom Charles popularity with the public forever.

If the Queen dies in the next couple of years, Charles is going to have an uphill battle to win back even the tepid acceptance he and Camilla had garnered over the past 15 years.

Charles seems pretty daft throughout

R492 Were they really deluded in thinking the public would forget Charle’s despicable behavior because he’s a grandpa now?

Did Charles have any other sex partners beside Camilla and Diana?

Kanga Tryon was a major relationship and Camilla's chief rival. She died not long after Diana.

charles is a whore

I always heard he was having it off with the nanny, Tiggy Legge-Bourke.

[quote]Did Charles have any other sex partners beside Camilla and Diana?

Now we all know what goes on in those all-male British boarding schools ...

Rumor has it that Diana once found Charles getting sucked off by his valet.

Didn't he have a fling with Streisand?

Charles had a number of affairs. Dale Lady Tryon "Kanga" springs to mind. Quite a long affair which ended horribly for her.

Toward the end of her marriage, the #1 target for Diana’s vitriol was Tiggy Legge-Bourke. She was the boys’ nanny, and Diana once went so far as implying she’s miscarried Charles’ baby when they ran into each other at a party.

Anyway, The Crown plays up Charles and Camilla’s relationship for dramatic purposes. While they did love each other and had a sexual relationship throughout his relationship to Diana, they were not star-crossed lovers denied any opportunity to marry. Andrew Parker-Bowles was considered quite a catch and Camilla was happy to have landed him. Unfortunately, her marriage was deteriorating around the time her Plan B, Charles, was about to be taken off the market.

People in the UK have been too busy hating Meghan to worry much about Charles and Camilla recently, but this has redirected their attention.

camilla is a cunt too

Gladys is a misunderstood cunt.

R396 yes, my friends and I used to play ibble dibble as teens back in the late 90s growing up in NZ. Coincidentally I taught it to some american friends roughly a month ago while we were having a few drinks. It's a fun game!

They should have ended the season in 1988, with Diana confronting Camilla about the affair, or in the fall of 1986, with the arrival of Fergie and the first stories appearing on how many days Charles and Diana spent apart.

There were a lot of stories that happened to the Royals that should have been covered, like: Fergie and Diana’s frenemy relationship; Anne’s affair with her current husband and the revelation of the love letters to her; Charles getting vocal about architecture and environmentalism; Edward dropping out of the military to become an actor; It’s a Royal Knockout; The Duchess of Windsor’s death and Princess Michael of Kent’s gaffes and Nazi father; etc.

The 1980s were a crazy decade for the Royals, and they really didn’t go as deep into it as they could have. I get that this show is foremost about The Queen and her life, but her inaction on most of these events started the conversation about how she was a poor mother and didn’t have control of her family.

Why would anyone name their girl Kanga??

She was obviously teased as Kanga Roo all her life

The Crown didn't cover the whole "Randy Andy" business, except for a short mention of Koo Stark

Kanga was a nickname (due to her being Australian). Her real name was Dale.

Thank you, R511! I read “The Diana Chronicles” a few times and couldn’t recall a “Kanga” in this whole saga. However, I do remember Charles being linked to a woman named Dale Tryon.

Kanga Dale

Dale Tryon or Kanga was a big part of Charles’ life. Ironically, Diana herself gave Camilla top billing in Diana: Her True Story and this helped create the Charles and Camilla star-crossed lovers narrative that exists today.

R504 There is a reason Charles will be known throughout history as Charles the Turd!

Do you think girl playing Diane is gay? She looks like little Jodie Foster

Hmmm...she could be. I was surprised to learn the actress who plays Anne is a lesbian.

R517 Why surprised? She didn't say that she's a lesbian. She has a gf though

Anne always had a mildly dykey vibe, so that makes the casting of Erin Doherty even more perfect than it already is.

she came across as humorless, thus lesbianonic

came across where? You watched her interviews?

The next series will feature John Major. I hope they cover this incident.

😂

Is that a young Steve Coogan?

Yes, R523

Corrin is not a lesbian, she's bisexual. She hooked up with Harry Styles a few months back.

[quote]Corrin is completely a lesbian. She hooked up with Harry Styles a few months back.

FIFY

helena bonham carter sux !!! she is fug !!!!

She has two left thumbs

R525 I didn't say she is gay. Just asked does she pings to you

She can finger bang who she likes

No kidding, wht is there about helena that is....creepy fug

Brilliant!

That was great, R532. Pretty much an accurate summary (and the actor is cute).

Incredible mimicry

anyone else have huge crush on queen eliz's hubby? tobias mendes....his u tube interviews make me hard.

I always thought Menzies was hot in every other show/film I saw him in.

But in The Crown his hotness evaporates.

The podcasts for "The Crown" have been great,. I highly recommend them--they've got a lot of information about the show and the BRF you wouldn;t know necessarily otherwise.

One of the most interesting things for me was to hear about Diana's obsessive love of Barbara Cartland's romance novels even before her father married Cartland's daughter Raine. Diana's expectations for love were so high--the head of research on the show thought one of the reasons she was so obsessed with Charles even before she met him was because she fantasized that the one person in the world who could never divorce her (as her father had divorced her mother) was the Prince of Wales. It also led her to become absolutely obsessed with "the Phantom of the Opera" when she was Princess of Wales--she saw in multiple times, and always listened to it in her car. (The story, of course, is about a dancer--which Diana always wanted to be--who has two men absolutely besotted with her and fighting over who gets to love her more.)

In reality, she did not sing "All I Ask of You" in the private videotape she made of it (with the entire orchestra and Andrew Lloyd Webber overseeing) for her and Charles's wedding anniversary, but instead performed a dance onstage to the music. And it actually took place about two years after she did the "Uptown Girl" dance for Charles (which was in 1985). But both performances did indeed horrify him--he loathed pop music and Broadway soundtracks equally. But she thought that was the only way she could get his attention.

[quote] There were a lot of stories that happened to the Royals that should have been covered, like: Fergie and Diana’s frenemy relationship; Anne’s affair with her current husband and the revelation of the love letters to her; Charles getting vocal about architecture and environmentalism; Edward dropping out of the military to become an actor; It’s a Royal Knockout; The Duchess of Windsor’s death and Princess Michael of Kent’s gaffes and Nazi father; etc.

One thing that's really interesting about the podcasts is that Peter Morgan said he adhere to a "slimming down" idea of the monarchy much like Charles's own one that has been much touted. Morgan says that the show is, as the title says, about the Crown, and so that means Elizabeth is always at absolutely center, but that as it moves forward Charles has become more and more central to the show (since he is the inheritor of the crown). Morgan says in terms of creating the show he had to view the other royal children as "fringe royals," which is why they have received so little attention 9he did not explain, though, why Anne has received so much attention this season and last). He implied that in the final two seasons there will continue to be a focus on Charlres and also on William, as the two future inheritors of the Crown.

That does make sense to me, given that there are just ten episodes of each season, and each season roughly covers a decade. I see why Dataloungers want more of the family's individual crises in, but he is trying to do something thoughtful about the meaning of the British monarchy instead of just doing a soap opera like "The Royals."

Claire Foy and John Lithgow weren’t the only ones who did a crossover from their original seasons-so did the devilishly sexy bewigged Pip Torrens who played Tommy Lascelles. I hated Fot being brought in first in photos and then in the flesh. I thought the whole point of bringing in new actors every two seasons was for the world of The Crown to be a totally separate entity from what had gone before. Are we really supposed to believe jewel box pretty Foy morphed physically into a Carol Burnett look alike. So did the 5’7” Vanessa Kirby Margaret morph physically into the 5’1” HBC Margaret? Did we really need to see photos of Jared Harris as George VI when he was Foy’s dad and not Colman’s? Annoyng and messy, in my opinion.

I hope Season 5 includes the time Edward worked for Andrew Lloyd Webber’s production company and would orally service John Barrowman. And what accent would the actor playing Barrowman use?

Season 5 doesn’t start shooting until July (according to Staunton and Manville). I hope by then circumstances could prevent Jonathan Pryce playing Philip (he’s much more of a Peter Mandelson, look him up) and that Australian giraffe playing Diana. Those are two huge casting mistakes.

R15, I stood on a curb and waved right to HM on the royals' visit to Philadelphia in July, 1976!

Saw Elton John in concert that same evening!

[quote] But in The Crown his hotness evaporates.

He looked great last year.

This year, he seemed a bit off, no matter what they did. Hair and makeup just looked terrible.

r539

I thought he serviced Michael Ball

R542, he serviced them both but not at the same time. And also black BBC children’s TV “presenter” Andi Peters. Uggh.

once so active, funnny how this thread fizzled out

r544, waiting for the next season.

This season is ... OVAH!

I just saw Season 4. Olivia Colman’s Emmy is a travesty. She did not convince for a second.

The sudden bright, gummy smile read very Olivia Colman and not very Her Maj.

Also the music Diana listened to was way too cool. She was an Adult Contemporary girl.