Cooper and Oliver on AMERICAN HOUSEWIFE

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I hope so, They're adorable on the show.

[quote]Will they or won’t they?

I think the question should be "Have they or haven't they?"

I agree with both R2 and R3. The gayest couple on TV. My compliments to the writers.

Bump

What are they, five?

And let Trip join them in a throuple please.

Are people still watching that?

The episode that aired last night (11/22) was the most obvious reference yet to "the boys" being more than roomies. Cooper threw a hissy fit about Oliver spending a lot of time with his work buddy, Trevor. The parents even joked about the situation. It makes me wonder if Oliver's story arc all along was intended to document his gradual coming out. His character is now old enough to date girls at his school, but each week it's all about Cooper and Oliver and their ongoing "attachment."

r9 "Last night?" Where do you live? AH airs on Wednesdays.

And let's not forget Oliver's foray into ballet.

Time to bump this...need more comments

Well, now they've remodeled the Otto basement into a functioning apartment and are "living together." They're probably the most functional couple on television.

I wonder if they’ll actually go there. Seriously. It’d be the one thing they could do that would actually set the show apart from every other piece of single camera sitcom banality out there.

R14, the One Day at a Time remake already dug into pre-adult same-sex romance when they gave the teen daughter a lesbian love interest.

They have a soundproofed apartment with a sauna. Its difficult to get gayer than that.

I wonder how many seasons this show has left in it...this one or next one will probably be the last. They'll have them come out before or during the series finale.

It is on tonight

Cooper and Oliver continue to have good taste

I've only seen one show and am not familiar with the series; I thought they were brothers.

The pace is akin to Gilmore Girls; one character (no pun intended) topping the other...

haha

I do think they are both gay and they are a great couple

For a while they only showed one bed.

Did someone complain?

tasteful friends.

I see Holly Robinson Peete took time out of her busy schedule of shilling for scammy weight-loss products to do an episode. I wonder if she's supposed to be the new token black on the show, now that Carly Hughes has bailed.

They do seem like the gayest gays in Gays-in-training-ville. But how can they—or any of you—stand to listen to that woman's voice? The one who plays the title role.

[quote]I see Holly Robinson Peete took time out of her busy schedule of shilling for scammy weight-loss products to do an episode. I wonder if she's supposed to be the new token black on the show, now that Carly Hughes has bailed.

She's a regular now. Wonder why the got rid of the second breakfast ladies.

The boys aren't a couple. The parents had a fit when the daughter had her boyfriend just spend the night, doubt they condone the guys shacking up downstairs.

[quote] The parents had a fit when the daughter had her boyfriend just spend the night

Yeah and in the same episode they also came around to the idea and make them a sex basket, and later joke about making one for Cooper and Oliver.

The sex basket was a deterrent for her and the boys were clearly a joke. The boys are merely metrosexual best friends.

Ostensibly, Cooper's parents are POS's and spend way too much time jet-setting. Early on in the series, he stated that Katie (the mom) was better than his own. Hence, he chose to live with the Otto's.

The Oliver character is unusual for a sitcom. He's a bit like the Michael J. Fox character on "Family Ties" in that he's single-minded about getting into Harvard for the sake of earning a huge salary. And he was very one-note until recently. This season, the writers had him volunteering for a teen suicide prevention center. Maybe to give him a softer edge.

Carly Hughes left the show because she said it was a toxic work environment. But I haven't seen any stories in the entertainment media that explained what she meant.

ABC doesn't have the balls to make these two a couple

I actually sort of miss asshole Oliver. I think they're going a bit too far removing his edge. Also anyone ever noticed how much Cooper/Logan Pepper looks like Julia Roberts?

A bit R32

r33 its a pity they probably won't be able to afford her if they ever decide to show his parents.

She’s done stunt casting projects before (Friends) and at the height of her fame no less. It helps if she’s fucking someone in the cast.

Are either of the actors gay in real life. The guy that plays Cooper seems especially gay.

I thought the guy who plays Cooper was trans, but he's all boy apparently.

Holly Robinson Peete has had so much work done that I probably wouldn't have recognized her if I hadn't known she was coming on as the token black friend. It's a shame, because she's always looked so good (even in those terrible supplement commercials with her husband).

The boys will end up gay in the series finale. Like someone said above, ABC doesn't have the balls to make them a couple now, but they'll end up together in the end. BTW, where's the kid who played Tripp? He's been noticeably absent this season.

When the family won a trip to Hollywood, they were eating at a restaurant that's on a reality show. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the woman who owns it. Katie told Oliver and Cooper to say they were engaged so the family could get a free meal.

She's also obsessed with going on a gay cruise and figures Oliver is her ticket.

Lisa Vanderpump, R39

^^^That's it! Bitch even made a cameo on the show.

r31 = Joey Buchanan

r41 She did.

I thought Oliver was into older men.

Definite sugar daddy material, but then he died.

r44 Oliver's type is the extremely rich. To quote Katie "It would be good for that kid to marry some money".

R44 Nah, it's not OLDER men, it's RICH men

Cooper wasn’t even on today’s episode.

r48 Coopers only in 3 of the final 5 episodes of this season, including the season finale. Also apparently its not a certainty AH is even going to be renewed after this one so we may never actually get them together.

I'm watching S1 for the first time and I didn't know the gay baiting went back that far. Katie decides Oliver is gay after seeing his vision board with shirtless men, Ashton Kutcher, and a pic of Cooper and Oliver with their arms around one another. Gay!!

I really enjoy AH (more than most network sitcoms). If ABC can spin un-fucking-funny Blackish into multiple properties, they should be able to give us an Oliver-Copper show, and even a daughter-hot boyfriend show.

[quote] Katie decides Oliver is gay after seeing his vision board with shirtless men, Ashton Kutcher, and a pic of Cooper and Oliver with their arms around one another

I loved that episode. Katie. Greg, Angelia and Doris all trying to decide if the board meant Oliver was gay, or just a shallow asshole. Before deciding he's both.

Agreed R51. It was actually funny, a rarity for ABC. I guess it wasn't woke enough for the network's tastes.

That was a cute episode. Apparently Cooper knows how to use a sword and has easy access to booze. What more could Oliver want?

It seems like from last night's ep that the writers and cast are more content to let the series wrap this year, which is most likely what will happen anyway. I didn't realize 'AH' was the lowest-rated ABC comedy last year, and it still got renewed while others got cancelled. Five years is a decent run, and they'll most likely have enough eps for syndication.

Jake Choi is hot, BTW. It'll be interesting to see what they do with his character. Seems like Ali Wong is either gone or literally phoning/Facetiming most eps when she's on now.

I think they'll be allowed one more much shorter season to wrap up. A least for syndication rights. But given ABC has just given away it's timeslot I'm not overly hopeful.

TV Grim Reaper shows it as "likely to be renewed," and "ratings in renewal range."

Networks are avoiding cancellations. Lots of shows that would've been cancelled last year didn't because of the pandemic. Easier to keep producing shows than to start new productions. The CW just announced a ton of renewals, and I think ABC will be the same, and AH is likely getting saved for now.

Just watched last night's ep. The writing is so meh at this point. Whomever was fired after the Carly Hughes fiasco must've been the ones spicing up the scripts with one-liners and zingers. The new Anna Kat is doing her darndest, but it'll be hard to beat Julia Butters' deadpan line delivery.

I also noticed on this ep how Oliver is never snarky to Cooper. I used to think it was because he was so in awe of his $$$, but now Cooper gave up all his $$$ (allegedly), and Oliver is still in awe of him. If they do--in fact--get another season, they should just end up together already. I forget if they're juniors or seniors...they must be juniors since Oliver has laid off on the college talk.

This season has been pretty weak. With characters leaving and being recast, the show has changed too much. Watched last night and I only laughed once--Cooper lamenting his toothpick legs.

[quote]Whomever was fired

Oh, dear.

Whoever, not whomever.

They looked like they were going to makeout over the grilled cheese when Oliver said Cooper was going to "wear the crap out of those Black and White checkered pants . There has been way too much boring filler material this season. Which is bad since they've also had half the episodes they normally do.

With the introduction of a new gay character, I wonder if they’re gonna:

Pull away from the Cooper/Oliver gay possibility and land all the gay plots on the Asian guy

or

Make the Asian guy their eventual gay mentor, a la Ugly Betty with the assistant played by Michael Urie and Betty’s nephew.

What does DL think?

R63 I'm hoping for the latter.

For a few seasons that I've been hoping for a gay guy to show up and the the driving force for Cooper and Oliver's coming out. I was expecting someone more on their age range. Maybe Cooper and the gay guy start spending a lot of time together, Cooper through his time with the gay guy realizes he's not straight, and Oliver is super jealous of Cooper spending all his time with the gay guy, then realizing he has feeling for him.

But an older gay guy that serves as a mentor can work too. Let's hope they interact soon tho, because I don't think they've even been in the same room on the show yet.

I actually hadn't thought about the young, hopeful-gays interacting with JD...mainly because I've been so curious if Ali Wong is coming back. On last night's ep, it seemed glaringly obvious that Holly Robinson-Peete is now the token black character, and Jake Choi seems to be the token Asian (and gay) character. The only difference is the seating arrangement at second breakfast. See attached article speculating about Ali's absence.

The star Katy Mixon is so annoying to me - from her voice to the weird twists and pouts she does with her mouth.....hard to watch.

I HATED her on Mike & Molly - in a group of actors that were ALL annoying to watch and listen to, she stood out especially bad.

I watch because I like Diedrich Bader......

I agree about her mouth twists.

Katie used to be an underdog you could root for. But she's pretty much as terrible as every other mother in Westport this season.

r64 Wish granted by the sound of it.

They seemed so much like a gay couple in tonight’s episode.

Insider info: the show will probably have another season, it has not been decided yet. The two young guys are defiantly not gay characters and there won’t be a big reveal as such. Both actors are totally straight in real life.

I think the show is definitely going to leave it open ended this season as Disney/ABC are pathetic on this front. But in the last episode alone Oliver combos them both as Cooliver, Josh asks if Cooper and Oliver broke up which is essentially the 9000th time someone who knows them pretty closely is convinced they're dating, and Oliver says he's Coopers boy. There's 0 chance they end up together this season. But I think there has to be some sort of resolution to this story. It's not like they can even do a cop out "lol we're proving straight bros can love each other no homo storyline" at this point since like I said EVERYONE who knows them thinks they're fucking.

Off script, Cooper is even gayer....

Reporter = "Do you wait to the last minute to get into wardrobe"......Oliver = "I'm a sweat pant guy".... Well this sounds like a normal conversation for a grown man to have with a teenager.

R72, it is Jessica WALTER. She is old, she is 80.

That episode seemed Sad-ish to me. That could be a new ABC sitcom, Sad-ish. Anyway, Cooper is going to get dumped.

None of Katie's "sidekicks" was in the last episode.

[quote] Cooper is going to get dumped

R76 You mean Trip?

The Trip thing already happened and it was mutual dumpage.

No, it hasn't.

R78, I meant Cooper, when I wrote Cooper.

r81 How can he get dumped when they're not even dating yet? Also their entire storyline the last two episodes was "Oliver thinks Cooper hung the moon".

Jake Choi is really cute as Katie's new gay friend.

[quote]She must have thought I was an undercover cop. I get that a lot.

That cracked me up. I love Holly Robinson Peete.

[quote] American Housewife 5x12 “How Oliver Got His Groove Back” Synopsis: Katie plays matchmaker by impersonating Oliver on his social media account to win over a girl. Meanwhile, Lonnie (Matt Shively) helps Greg dig up DIRT on his political rival. (TV-14, DL)

Well fuck you too Katie.

So yeah Oliver has apparently been dating that girl he took to prom last season all this time, and he talks about her enough even Katie is aware he's depressed. Great writing as ever this season.

Well it seems that we had 4 seasons of queerbaiting. As I think most of us suspected all along there would be no payoff to Oliver and Cooper in love.

Fuck you American Housewife.

I hope Cooper comes back next week all jealous over Oliver’s new girlfriend and they end up making out. The chemistry between Oliver and the new girl was very fag and hag

The issue is every time Oliver is single, the show immediately feels the need to give him a new girlfriend. It's like they're trying to use that as a way to show he's not gay. "Oh Oliver and Cooper can't be a couple obviously, Oliver has a girlfriend, he likes girls.", and then said girlfriend appears in 2 episodes, is mentioned once or twice and then they break up.

And where exactly has Cooper been this whole time? He's been living with the Ottos ever since his parents moved to Florida, but the past few episodes had stories that focused on Oliver, who is attached at the hip to Cooper, yet Cooper was nowhere to be seen or even mentioned. He's literally living with them and is basically M.I.A. without explanation. AnnaKat's boyfriend is on screen more often and he doesn't even live there. What exactly was the point of the whole Cooper goes live with the Ottos if he was gonna be seen just as little as before? And they can't excuse it as him being absent doing rich people stuff because he cut himself off earlier in the season in order to be more of an Otto.

His absence was noticeable r89. The writers might as well have titled this episode “The Straightening of of Oliver.” Cooper got dumped as I predicted. He’s not part of the business plan anymore with the other guy & now Oliver has a new gal.

Next episode the girl is gone and Oliver's main story is meeting Coopers dad. Which again we're back to relationship tropes. At this point I'm convinced the show is being written by two completely separate teams of writers who aren't talking to each other. Like if last episode was them realizing they'd made them too gay and panicking that'd be depressingly understandable. But after pretty much wasting the penultimate episode on no-homo, they're following it up with two 17 year old boys at a meet the parents candle lit dinner.

Also not Cooliver related but wasting so much time on Trip and Taylors relationship issues only to completely resolve it in one episode isn't great either.

[quote] He's literally living with them and is basically M.I.A. without explanation.

Guest stars don't work for free.

R93 So pay him. If they can pay the annoying kid that plays AnnaKat's boyfriend to be in every episode, they can pay the blond twink to be by the brunette twink's side every episode.

Finally watching last week's ep...Tripp looks like he's aged five years, and is wearing a ton of makeup. Oliver is so clearly gay it's not funny. If they can eek out one more season to let it play out if he actually gets into Harvard...I suspect he won't, and he'll realize there's more to life. Like Cooper's cock, perhaps.

[quote] We’re practically in-laws

Boom.

I like this show a lot. I actually like Katy and her annoying voice. Like Fran Dresden’s The Nanny, it works.

It is painfully clear Oliver and Cooper are gay. Certainly, the actors are. But the characters have been written as obvs a couple in a romantic “we don’t know it yet but we’re in love” way. There is zero way the show gets away with having them not end up as a legit couple. It has been hinted to for years. I think the show would be stupid not to go there since I think every single viewer thinks they’re downlow a couple. And a great one at that. Very sweet.

This season has not been the greatest. I understand why the black lady left (someone working on the show was toxic-though not one of the actors) but why is the Asian lady zooming? They had a great dynamic. Losing JB as Ana Kat was a huge loss. The new girl does well but you can’t replace great.

I do think this show has one more season. It has been one of the more refreshing shows and consistently humorous. It has a lot of great subplots which shows don’t do well these days.

The season finale would have been much better if the boys had finally come out instead of Katie Otto having a baby.

Having a baby is usually the death of a show!

I agree with other posters here that the show is wildly uneven. And that Ana Kat's young boyfriend is in nearly every episode and annoyingly so.

In earlier seasons, Oliver flirted with ballet because he figured it would get him into Harvard. Having graduated from Harvard, I didn't buy the explanation for a minute. And the upshot was that Oliver appeared to be gay. And then his friendship with Cooper deepened to the point that I think the showrunner realized they had a gay relationship developing where it maybe wasn't intended.

Now (spoiler alert) with Cooper heading to culinary school and Oliver announcing he's not going to Harvard--or college--the boys' relationship appears stranger than ever.

Daniel Dimaggio bears a slight resemblance to a young George Hamilton, who played Oliver's wealthy ex-con mentor Spencer Blitz.

[quote] Having a baby is usually the death of a show!

It started with I Love Lucy (hence it’s go-to quality as a ratings grabber) and always signals the beginning of the end - “approaching final season.” I do admire shows like Frasier and Seinfeld for not resorting to such cliches to extend their stay. As a matter of fact, they went through creative lengths to hide their actresses’ pregnancies.

Add The Dick Van Dyke Show to the resistance list.

Golden Girls doesn’t count, as a baby plot by one of the principals would constitute a miracle. Though they did resist adoption of a cute precocious child, which shows like the Brady Bunch and Cosby couldn’t resist...

Wow teenage engagement, and a baby on the way. Its like they're purposefully aiming for every plotline that can ruin a show. Anyway they've officially killed Cooliver even as close friends. Olivers response to Cooper moving away in season 4 was to have a breakdown and actually cry. His response in 5 is to make a snarky comment at Katie. Who cheers him up after his dreams of going to Harvard that he's had for years go up in smoke? His dickhead business partner. The amount of shit they put Oliver through this season I'm starting to think Daniel Dimagio must have run over some ABC execs Dog.

On the plus side at least they're developing Cooper as an actual character and not just being Olivers+1 since he's probably my favourite family member at this point. And I'm pretty sure his dad likely cut him off rather than being OK with culinary school. Lets hope for better writing if/when they get renewed.

Daniel Dimaggio is absolutely adorable.

I will say nothing further on that note until he's 18.

The Craft Services Table on that set must be pretty appealing, as all the adult leads are starting to pack the pounds.

[quote]At this point I'm convinced the show is being written by two completely separate teams of writers who aren't talking to each other.

R91 makes an interesting point, but I wonder if episodes are being shown out of sequence. The old GF episode may have been written and filmed before realized gay Oliver is more interesting than straight Oliver.

Did they do the pregnancy reveal to (should the show be renewed) distract from the fact that Katy Mixon is approaching Chrissy Metz territory?

Speaking of Mixon looks wise I assumed she was late 40s, so my first thoughts on the pregnancy was "yeah no way that thing survives to birth". But apparently she only just turned 40 this week.

Just watched the finale...IMHO, no way this gets renewed unless ABC just doesn't want to renew 'Pooch Perfect' starring Rebel Wilson in a low-budget dog-judging contest. They threw so many darts at the board in the last minute that it's almost like it's a dare to see if ABC will renew them. Sad to say, but once the allegedly racist showrunners and creator left the show, it went off the rails.

That’s it - if it doesn’t get renewed, I’m writing my own series finale.

In case anyone has Cooliver blue balls, something to tide you over until next season

Jessica Walter's appearance on "Getting Frank with the Ottos" was her final role.

[quote]Golden Girls doesn’t count, as a baby plot by one of the principals would constitute a miracle. Though they did resist adoption of a cute precocious child

Barely... Golden Palace featured a cute precocious child who was just as annoying as Cousin Oliver (and who disappeared halfway through the first and only season).

r113 Shame it was on zoom. Not having a Jessica Walter's character meeting two people as gay as Oliver and Cooper is a missed opportunity.

Are Daniel DiMaggio or Logan Pepper gay in real life? They both kind of ping. Is there any evidence other than speculation?

R116 If they're gay, they're both closeted. But maybe that's why we read so much into it and think the characters are gay, because the actors are gay and we're reading the vibe we get from the actors and mistaking it as it being from the characters.

R117 I think they’re gay IRL and it is clear their characters were written to be gay but it appears the show got cold feet.

r116 Neither have any romantic pictures posted on their accounts that I can see. Though Google says Pepper dated Taylors actress. But she's 2 years older than him and he's only 18 so either he was really convincing , she likes them younger or that's bullshit.

Cue season 5 you asked him to build you a dream apartment, pay for your tuition, and for his dad to buy you into Harvard. That's growth and acceptance Oliver.

Fun to see Jim Rash reunited with Joel McHale, if only for a few seconds.

If the actor playing Cooper isn’t gay, then I don’t know who is. The actor playing Oliver, I could buy being straight.

The dad is so hot.

What's also with the prankster guy (I don't care enough to look up his name) making 15 comments every ep he's in about Greg's ass? Talk about homosexualist! Diedrich Bader actually is a good looking guy, though. He's aged very well.

The only reason we(fans) think that Oliver and Cooper are gay is because the writers went out of their way to make us think so, over and over again. So either they were queer-baiting from the start or as some posters have mentioned they got cold feet and dropped the plot point at the last minute.

I'm in the camp that says they were queer-baiting from the beginning. I think we forget just how stupid straight people can be about anything to do with gay people. Instead of thinking about how this would insult the gay fan base they were probably to busy thinking "dude gay joke are funny"

That really is a cute picture of them together r119

If it turns out the writers genuinely didn't want to imply Cooper and Oliver as a couple (I've finally settled on holding some hope. The writers clearly still at hope for one last season, they obviously want Cooper around or they could have easily written him out last episode, I can't see Oliver's GF ever being important, and I hope the worst parts of this season were caused by the episodes being cut because of Corona). I don't think its queerbaiting. Queerbaiting is using the implication of potential gay relationship to gain viewers. I honestly doubt 90% of the viewers of AH general audience care about Cooliver enough for it to affect their viewing. I think it falls more into a "lol. Aren't effeminate men and gay jokes hilarious" humor. Which is still a frankly shitty thing to do at this point.

If AH writers think this is going to go over well, they’re mistaken. They’ve hinted at Oliver being gay (despite the occasional GF). Oliver and Cooper being a couple makes perfect sense.

I have to completely disagree with you r126 What the show has done to Oliver and Cooper is the very definition of Queerbating

Queerbaiting definition – Wikipedia

Queerbaiting is the practice to hint at, but then to not actually depict, a same-sex romantic relationship between characters in a work of fiction, mainly in film or television. The potential romance may be ignored, explicitly rejected or made fun of.

Not -Cooliver has nothing to do with gaining an audience. Queerbaiting is usually something that straight writers think is funny and yes they are aware that they are depicting the characters as gay. American Housewife has actually been called out about it on social media recently.

From thetvratingsguide ""Secondly, this episode exists in a weird, alternate universe where the storylines of the past either didn't take place or have no bearing. Fans who have long expected and hoped for "Cooliver" were shocked to find Katie steer Oliver into a relationship with a girl, a rebound relationship because apparently Oliver was soooo depressed after his *one* prom date, Lindsey, ignored him last episode on a visit home from college. The never-happened "Oliver-Lindsey" has now been retrofitted in this episode to an important off-screen relationship that devastated Oliver and left him with a "Lindsey shaped hole" when he was ghosted.

So forget all the years of "Cooliver" innuendo - in fact, Cooper isn't even in this episode (in case he distracts Oliver from Audra?). ABC and/or the showrunners have declared in this episode that Oliver is straight. And guessing by the angry social media response, ABC isn't too concerned about the unhappy fans, some accusing the show of queer-baiting.""

The Hollywood Reporter says it's "not looking good" for renewal.

My God Greys Anatomy is fucking immortal. I'm mixed on AH coming back at this point I liked the show but the writings in the toilet and in retrospect there's not much a final season can really offer I'd even want to watch after last episode. Babies, teen marriage and no gay romance.

No cooliver 😟

Someday…they’ll be together.

If nothing else its proof of why you shouldn't end on an unnecessary cliff-hanger when it's 50/50 if you were getting renewed.

Katy Mixon's abuse of the craft-services table got out of control. The enormous bills negated the ratings.

She literally ate the show out of existence.

Can't Fox try to save this show like they did with that crappy Tim Allen show or maybe another network?

Disappointed, but without Cooliver, . . . . . 🤷‍♂️

So this was all just 5 seasons of queerbaiting.

Maybe the actors can start a “Cooliver” OnlyFans

Once they straight-washed cooliver I was done with the show anyway.

Dan's apparently decided to never mention the show again.

r140

[quote]Maybe the actors can start a “Cooliver” OnlyFans

Or at least a Logo spinoff series.

It had better ratings than "blackish," which was renewed, and Deadline reported it was the only ABC series to be off by just single-digits vs. last season, so it's weird ABC didn't give it another season. Granted, it did seem to be on its last legs creatively (adding a new baby to the mix means the writers are totally out of ideas).

Yeah, as much as love the show, I’m ok with it not being renewed. The dynamic without her breakfast friends threw off that part of the show. The new daughter was ok, but too much focus on the kids’ friends living there.

Post season 5 is normally when people get to renegotiate their contracts isn't it? My guess the cost was about to jump up. Its had a lot of bad press over the last year which led to a rapid cast and crew turrnover, and It was pretty un-diverse which probably counted against it as well. Plus they'd already filled AH timeslot with that Home Economics show.

r134 = Chrissy Metz

[quote]The dynamic without her breakfast friends threw off that part of the show. The new daughter was ok, but too much focus on the kids’ friends living there.

I agree with you on both counts and will add that the season-long city council election plotline was a flop.

The original Anna-Kat Otto was a very talented kid. Her replacement was simply not up to the task.

Was there a single good story arc last season? Everything felt very "we have no idea what to do with anyone". Trip and Taylor spent the entire season arguing looked like they were going to break up and then got engaged, which is always a good idea). Anna Kat and Franklin I can't really remember but I do remember wishing they'd get sent off to some special boarding school by the end, and I really don't get why they decided their daughters 13 year old boyfriend should live with them. That's creepy. Oliver developing an app took way too long and his partner was annoying.

The absolute worst character was that social media guy -- Lonnie? Totally cringeworthy every time he appeared.

Was it cancelled because of the sjw backlash?

Coming this fall to Feeform, “America’s Wokest Housewife.”

Daniel DiMaggio turns 18 on July 30.

Just a little bit of random trivia.

The show was guaranteed to not only be more expensive but lose ratings next season. Salaries were going up in fans like me stopped watching immediately after they straight-washed cooliver and the dynamics were different with Katie's friends disappearing.

Logan Pepper had to deal with some angry fans over the shows queer baiting. Some of the responses were a bit unfair although I understand the anger.

Logan Pepper is straight?

[quote] Some of the responses were a bit unfair

A bit? Jeez, some of these people LIVE to be offended. It animates them and gives them the energy to make it through another day. Somewhere, someone is going to do something to piss them off.

Word, R157. If the Oliver/Cooper storyline on "American Housewife" failing to turn out the way you had hoped is a big enough problem for you to attack some teen actor on Twitter, then you really don't have actual problems.

r156 A more unexpected twist than anything the writers came up with last season.

Just like with Game of Thrones, I’m going to sign a petition that they refilm this entire last season & include the coming out storyline or else I’ll boycott ABC!! Jk

Well, now we have our first sex tape from an AH actor (as far as I know -- maybe there are some raunchy Katy Mixon videos out there.)

R161 Kudos to you, thank you!

Sadly Peyton and his girlfriend decided to delete their OnlyFans after the videos started leaking.

The one posted above was the last thing they posted before deleting. It's also one of the few things that show Peyton's face during a sex act. All the other videos were close ups, you'd only see his dick and the girlfriend's hand, mouth or pussy.

Stroke video:

Are these guys doing anything new?

r164's link is a goldmine of interesting wank vids.

Is this really DL fav Pietro Boselli?