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Wig Out: The Undoing (2020) Part 2

Continue the discussion of everyone's favorite craptastic HBO show.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 35110 hours ago

Hate-watch.

I don’t think New York apartments ever had old buildings with ceilings as high as the ones in the father’s apartment. Unless it’s a loft space. But yeah, suspension of disbelief and all that.

And NO, Nicole Kidman’s face is not the same as it always was. Are you fucking blind?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 111/17/2020

A theory:

henry did it. Franklin, grace and henry are framing hugh. Henry is framing his dad. Crazytown, but would be interesting , if they can pull this off. Grace was out looking for henry and she saw the murder or at least the after math. It checks out. Nothing disproves this theory. Maybe the cancer kid saw him?

There was another theory were hugh and Franklin were trying to get the kid off. Henry did it. But, franklin and hugh are not working together. This does not check out.

Hugh and franklin working together is the red herring, but henry did do it. This is good writing.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 211/17/2020

I'm surprised no one's commented on the widowed husband. Those eyes.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 311/17/2020

It skittered across her skull...

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 411/17/2020

To all those people who are like "omg her face doesn't move!", she was wrinkling her forehead like crazy in episode 3 when she was in the scene with the doctor friend where they were sitting on the bench outside the hospital. Her forehead looked very normal.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 511/17/2020

I can't start a thread about Murder on Middle Beach- long story. Can someone else? It's such a promising show.

I don't think Henry did it. Would he be strong enough? It's got to be Lily Rabe.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 611/17/2020

No way a petite 13 y/o kid could commit a crime that physical and vicious.....and be clever enough to get away with it. You're all on the wrong track. Franklin most likely. He as much as admitted it in the last episode. She was hurting his family, so she had to die.

Why did Jonathan leave his baby with a man who said it was "hard to love her"? That whole scene with them was so odd. And why hasn't a family member of Elena's taken the baby? She isn't safe with that creepy guy who isn't even related to her.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 711/17/2020

I said it in part one, but the worst part of this show is the two detectives. They are NOTHING like New York cops. Nothing. And they’re almost cartoon like. Popping up for 5 minutes for a scene with bad dialogue and Nicole’s scary face reacting to the breadcrumbs they’re slowly dropping for her

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 811/17/2020

Here’s a thread for murder on middle beach

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 911/17/2020

Thank you r9!

😍😍

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 1011/17/2020

R8, they remind me of the cops from Halloween 5.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 1111/17/2020

I also think the scene with Grace fainting in her Grinch coat in the park was a massive waste of time. What was the point of that? So Hugh could play doctor with her? She could've just had a dizzy spell in front of him and her father and that would have taken care of all of it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 1211/17/2020

Maybe it would be a little too dark, but in the last episode I kept thinking dead woman's husband would kill the baby. I'm not getting why he's such a cuckhold.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 1311/17/2020

Sometimes it's so stupid i think I'm going to give up on it, but then it gets a little better and I stay.

i think the scene where she fainted was the series's absolute nadir. They did it so melodramatically I thought she had to be dying. I donlt think even Miss Lindsey Graham gets a case of the vapors as dramatic as that one.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 1411/17/2020

Especially when it's cold. Normally people faint when it's hot and they're in the Subway. Not in a cold spacial park.

It's like the writers/directors/wardrobe/makeup had zero common sense.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 1511/17/2020

In all fairness, Grace's fugly coat looks like it traps in heat.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 1611/17/2020

hugh did it...hate to be a spoiler....

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 1711/17/2020

i like her coats. What are you bitches going to do to me?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 1811/17/2020

R18: Unlike killing one's mistress, having bad taste isn't a crime.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 1911/18/2020

When does Meryl Streep show up as her mother?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 2011/18/2020

R20 It will be revealed that not only is Meryl the killer, she’s been sitting atop Kidman’s head the whole time.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 2111/18/2020

R20 It will be revealed that not only is Meryl the killer, she’s been sitting atop Kidman’s head the whole time.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 2211/18/2020

I giggled when Hugh Grant's character was on tv, apologizing to his partner for cheating. Been there before - right Hugh?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 2311/18/2020

That was hilarious--who goes on talk tv to say they didn't hammer their mistress to death???

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 2411/18/2020

And would Hugh's bail conditions and court regulations allow him to go on TV and chat about the murder and claim his (supposed) innocence? I don't think so.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 2511/18/2020

One of the detectives (the one who is not ESOL six month certificate Eddie Ramirez) was actually a REAL NYC police officer! That's how awful the writing is.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 2611/18/2020

Haley's accent is horrible. One line is half-British/half-American pronunciation. The next line is full British accent.

They should've marketed this as a speculative fiction series ala "Man in the High Castle" where QE2 gained control of the U.S. and everyone has British accents.

There's no excuse for how bad the line readings are in this series. Truly shameful. They need to redub all the lines like it's an old Argento picture.

Suzanne Bier obviously doesn't have the ear to realize how bad her actors sounded. Really shameful and a huge failing on her part in her inability to deliver an immersive story when her talentless actors are fuxking up their "American accents" every five seconds of dialogue.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 2711/18/2020

Hugh's fake crying will have everyone on Websleuths calling for his head. They always call out murder suspects who fake cry when they make statements to the press . No tears is a dead give away, supposedly.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 2811/18/2020

no kidding, hugh goin on tv to chat bout the murder was the heighty of ridiculosity......cant watch it anymore, kidman is beyond fug.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 2911/19/2020

I haven't read this thread or the first (don't want any spoilers)... But I just finished the third episode. I found myself wondering why I like this show so much? It's not the best. It's been done a thousand times. The story is so-so. Acting is fine. So why?

And then it hit me. It's just an old school tv show. Nothing more. No forced racial overtones. No even more forced social messages. No superheroes (puke). No young kids doing tons of drugs (though I really liked Euphoria). Just a classic who dunnit.

I loved message TV when it first came out. Loved it. But now? It's too much. It's in every single show. The Undoing is a breath of fresh air, even if it's shaded in a stale color.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 3011/19/2020

I hate this show so much im getting rid of hbo and showtime...they just have old fukin movies and series like this that are tacky. kidman is a show stopper as in STOP GO AWAY

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 3111/19/2020

r30, they talk in the last episode about Hugh being a privileged white man, getting away with killing a poor Latina woman. The racial undertones are definitely there.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 3211/20/2020

Haven't watched the show, but let's hope it's a career killer for her. A TROG. She doesn't need another dollar. I don't mean to be unkind, but if she could pack up her plastic face, dimestore wigs, and box of tricks, and just RETIRE, and give a couple of the other genuinely good actresses in the long queue behind her a break, it would be a blessing for the industry. When you get to the stage when you're just repeating yourself, and not bringing anything unique to your roles, which she long ago reached, it's unfair on others.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 3311/20/2020

So why did Connie Chung never get a close-up? Was it because of HER bad plastic surgery?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 3411/20/2020

I noticed that too, r34. Very strange.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 3511/20/2020

this show is doing very well in the rating. So well, that people are asking for a sequel. A sequel will probably not happen bc stars are not interested.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 3611/20/2020

R33 She just did Destroyer which is nothing like she’s done before and she has balls and pulled it off. Ok so that idea’s out the window. She also Looking like shit in Top of the Lake. Now this grinch coat, This show is just fluff and fun IMO., BLL sucked is frau nip. She was grating there with the shit bangs wig, nude scenes, richest sweetest fuckin white woman act. I do like how this bitch is prolific though a good break would also be nice. See who she is when she comes back...

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 3711/20/2020

It's a good show. everyone is watching it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 3811/20/2020

It's a flawed show, but my ass is watching it every week. At the end of the day it's a mystery with legitimate stars.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 3911/20/2020

R32, true. But that wasn't forced. It would make sense to at least acknowledge the difference of race. But they didn't make it the whole point of the scene, let alone the series.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 4011/20/2020

The ratings have been less each week.....its going very slow.....the plot is embarassing thin.

hugh did it you know.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 4111/21/2020

I think nicole did it and framed hugh. I like it! The one cop and the dead womans husband are super hawt!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 4211/21/2020

Now she's back in Australia, Nicole needs to star in a remake of Return to Eden as Stephanie Harper. The crocodile could choke on one of her wigs.

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 4311/21/2020

[quote]I t's a good show. everyone is watching it.

But is it a positive show?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 4411/21/2020

amateurish script....shocked nickole okayed such a p of shite

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 4511/21/2020

That bearded cop is crazy hot!

And what was that about the father telling the school principal that he is an old school cocksucker...meaning some dangerous trouble maker??

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 4611/21/2020

Why hire Eddie Ramirez if you're not going to give him a sex scene?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 4711/21/2020

They should have hired an actor who could actually speak English

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 4811/21/2020

R46 Yes I think he meant " don't mess with me" but it came seemed awkwardly worded as a threat.. I initially thought he was propositioning the headmaster.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 4911/21/2020

we want to see ramirez fucking the hell out of that cold fish Kidman...

FUK HER LIKE A RAGDOLL

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 5011/21/2020

Hopefully it's revealed Edgar Ramirez's cop character is so desperate to solve this case because it involves the murder of his lover's wife.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 5111/21/2020

Yeah the way this is going I wouldn't be surprised to find some last minute shockeroo that the detective was involved with Elena.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 5211/21/2020

I won't be able to read any comments for a week or so, I am only on the 2nd episode- typing as I watch the first 5 minutes-

I fucking LOVE This shitfest!

Nicole's doctor definitely modified the botox so she can have SOME movement in the forehead- This can be done You really are not supposed to be frozen. And that is why in closeup- one half of her forehead wrinkles and the other doesn't.

Also love the production/lighting design. I love how every room has either a window in front of Kidman or random florescent "ring type" lights around her so she looks her best- Its hilarious! Public bathroom, gym, private bathroom- they magically have these ring lights framing her face.

And I am enjoying the story. I have ZERO idea where this is going.

And is that a wig or extensions?? It looks like MASSIVE extensions on this bitch.

Very surprised that post production didn't remove the redness in Nicole's eyes.

This is a perfect blend of soap opera, HBO quality, and Nicole Kidman!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 5311/21/2020

Oh, and EDGAR RAMIREZ IS HOT AS BALLS!!!!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 5411/21/2020

Oh, and Lily Rabe- Over it. She is in everything. Done. She fits this role to a t though.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 5511/21/2020

Lily Rabe’s character has something to do with the murder. Otherwise what’s her point in the story?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 5611/21/2020

It’s always the one you least suspect!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 5711/21/2020

CUNT R56!!! I accidentally read your post!!!!!!

From my cinematography interests there WERE WAY TOO many close ups of Ms. Lily Rabe (Bargain Basement Jill Clayburgh)

I must start from the beginning and stop at the end of Episode 2.

My god. I just got through the interrogation and that Edgar Ramirez is hotter than a my mother's BALLS!!!!!!

This guy is something else. And I thought I might be dead downtown. Well he has reignited my SEX FLAMES!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 5811/21/2020

Shit! I already suspect that Lily Rabe (Bargain Basement Jill Clayburgh) was FUCKING NICOLE'S HUSBAND!!!!

I am stopping at end of this 2nd episode.

I don't care what anyone says, this IS better than Big Little Lies..

Let's see if it holds up!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 5911/21/2020

I worked with Lily Rabe and let me tell you she is one entitled bitch. So annoying it's hard for me to watch her in anything now.

And I also worked with Jill Clayburgh and she was one the loveliest people I ever encountered.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 6011/21/2020

R60- THANK YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!! I can feel the cunt vibes through the screen.

Loved her mom.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 6111/21/2020

My theory: I think Elena was a secret half-sister to Grace and was obsessed with Grace. She found out about the blonde woman's affair with Grace's husband and blackmailed her to get into the mom's group. Elena was trying to call Grace a dozen times before she died - maybe she was going to confront Grace with the truth about her husband's affairs. The blonde friend found out and killed her first. Elena's husband is blackmailing Donald Sutherland's character so Grace doesn't find out the truth about Elena's parentage. But now that he has admitted to cheating on Grace's mother, it's only one more step before it all comes out.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 6211/21/2020

Jesus. I am obsessed with Nicole's eye veins!

All that taut and tight skin but those eyes show the flaws!

It works!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 6311/21/2020

r57

It's always the person I medium suspect

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 6411/21/2020

they say there is a twist at the end. It is not the ending of the book, not like the book at all.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 6511/21/2020

I think donald sutherland did it. Why would you blow your budget on him in the first place? He isn't doing anything yet either.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 6611/21/2020

r66

I thought that made it a little too obvious last ep with all his talk with don't mess with my family stuff

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 6711/21/2020

The baby did it. She’s a 30-year-old Russian sociopath with who began an affair with Fernando after meeting him while he was visiting Miguel and she was being treated by Jonathan for a pituitary tumor which stunted her growth. Everyone compliments her on her eyelashes not knowing that she owns three eyelash-extension salons in Brighton Beach. Sylvia is her money launderer.

Hoping to get closer to Fernando, she conspired with Franklin to have Elena drugged and hypnotized to believe she had given birth. Noah is actually her son from the last family she swindled and he was given to Franklin as payment for his services. A bit more drugging and hypnotizing and Grace thought he was hers. Jonathan knows the truth, which is why he’s being set up.

Why? Because Franklin is a cocksucker and he just enjoys this shit.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 6811/21/2020

I like this show

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 6911/21/2020

[quote]they talk in the last episode about Hugh being a privileged white man, getting away with killing a poor Latina woman.

How poor can she be? She was an artist with her own studio. A sculptor, no less. That's not a likely career choice for a "poor" woman. If she were really poor, she would be cleaning the houses of those snobby, rich moms group women. Sutherland is always mooning over paintings in a gallery. There is an art connection between him and Elena.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 7011/21/2020

My one complaint is that the son of Hugh and Nicole looks nothing like either of them. Something is off there. I think Donald killed the young Latina mom; possibly she was an illegitimate child?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 7111/22/2020

r71

I was half paying attention, but isn't Donald's character gay? I thought when he was talking about all his affairs, they were affairs with men

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 7211/22/2020

R72 I missed that nugget.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 7311/22/2020

Can this please wrap itself up tonight? This story would have been better told and far more suspenseful in a two hour movie.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 7411/22/2020

Only 2 more episodes then Kidman can get on her broom and fly back to queen Keith...

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 7511/22/2020

Fuck Kidman. Connie Chung, bitches!!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 7611/22/2020

The penultimate episode is on soon! I’m so excited!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 7711/22/2020

and here it comes

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 7811/22/2020

The is the episode with the twist at the end. Let the bitching commence!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 7911/22/2020

it is a weird intro.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 8011/22/2020

When do we find out that Psycho Henry did the murder?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 8111/22/2020

The little redhead girl in the opening credits is unfortunate-looking.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 8211/22/2020

Yikes

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 8311/22/2020

TOLD YOU. IT WAS HENRY.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 8411/22/2020

It was the psycho preteen with hammer hidden in the violin case.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 8511/22/2020

I’m still not convinced that it was actually Henry. Lily Rabe’s character is too sketchy to just be an annoying frau friend. Tonight’s episode had a second strange interaction between her and the prosecutor.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 8611/22/2020

what do you think now? They just told us it was the kid. I am thinking the slow burn to grace. grant's mother just shows up out of the blue, sure? They are paying her off. Why was Grace at the murder scene? This is good.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 8711/22/2020

The murderer Miguel put the murder weapon in Henry’s violin case.

Tonight was the third “Oh, Henry! You scared me!” in this miniseries. A red herring?

Did Edgar Ramirez get a cleft palate operated on as a child? It looks like he had one.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 8811/22/2020

the best conclusion...(include the plot and the style) is: Grace did it. It's a great achievement to Film Noir, and to the Slow Burn.

Bravo to Susanne Bier.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 8911/22/2020

*Grace walks through the metal detector*

"Ma'am, your face....."

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 9011/22/2020

Has David E. Kelley EVER written anything that didn't ultimately turn into a courtroom drama? Christ.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 9111/22/2020

The Show is telegraphing that Jonathan did it. Henry is so desperate to get his family back together that he's hiding the murder weapon. He idolizes his father and would do anything for him -- they've said that a couple of different times.

Whether or not he's found guilty is another matter. WTF was that detective thinking when he lied on the stand? Now his entire testimony is unreliable. I'd move for a mistrial, the prosecution clearly doesn't have anything.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 9211/22/2020

I don't even know how this made it to trial. They have no murder weapon, no evidence, no confession, no real motive...

Sigh. I know it's a show. I know it's fiction.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 9311/22/2020

grace is the murderer. Everyone else has been accused, except her. She was at the crime scene. Every step of the way there is a red herring. This is good.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 9411/22/2020

grace is the murderer. Everyone else has been accused, except her. She was at the crime scene. Every step of the way there is a red herring. This is good.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 9511/22/2020

My money's on Lily Rabe.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 9611/22/2020

what's up with the intro? It's all about grace. The only logically conclusion is: Grace did it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 9711/22/2020

An entire episode of witnesses pontificating at length , never giving a single yes/no answer, and telling the defense attorney she’s vile. And there was only one objection?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 9811/22/2020

[quote] She was at the crime scene.

The dead chick was going to paint a portrait of Nicole but needed her face remain frozen. Since it had been a few weeks, she dashed out to her dermy for a late night injection. Nothing to see here.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 9911/22/2020

Why was a rich white woman wearing thousands and thousands of dollars worth of clothes and jewelry wandering thru Spanish Harlem in the middle of the night? A woman like Nicole’s character wouldn’t step one foot above 96th street.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 10011/22/2020

WHY are either of the children in the courtroom? No parent is going to let their child hear about his mother's face being beaten to an unrecognizable pulp, nor hear about your father's torrid affair with the dead woman.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 10111/22/2020

Glacial pacing. Unbearable TV.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 10211/22/2020

I love that whenever anything happens that will embarrass her in the courtroom, the camera instantly cuts to her face for a reaction.

"It's awful that that Hispanic mother of two children was brutally murdered, but the real crimes here are the social humiliations that must be endured by the whitest woman who ever lived on the UES!"

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 10311/22/2020

She is white af

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 10411/22/2020

I guess she doesn’t bother to hide Aussie accent anymore since there’s so little left of it. I’m like ‘whatever’.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 10511/22/2020

It's become comical how unrealistic this show is. Why the fuck would both children be allowed in the courtroom?

The mother in law is a real grammar Nazi. I can picture her as one of the oh dear bitches who post here.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 10611/22/2020

In this day and age the media would have already uncovered info about Katie the kitten. There's no way that daily mail wouldn't have already reported it in depth

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 10711/22/2020

So is Grace going to start sleeping with the doors locked with that kid in the house?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 10811/22/2020

Grace willingly sleeps with her cheating husband? WTF? The husband isn't even that hot.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 10911/22/2020

This would work so much better with a younger pair of actors.

For a minute there, I thought the husband was going to masturbate to Elena's picture.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 11011/22/2020

This is brilliant.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 11111/23/2020

What is Jonathan's motive supposed to be? The DA hasn't even hinted at one. I guess we're going to be told all the secrets in one big, expository monologue?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 11211/23/2020

Johnathan said Elena was blackmailing him and stalking him and his family. The night of her murder he went to confront her and they argued and had sex. Presumably, it was because she was at the party and turning up at his wife's group. Did she want more from him? She wanted him to leave his wife? He says he loved her but maybe he's lying.

In the book, Johnathan killed his brother and it was deliberate, they've changed it to a sister that he was babysitting. His secret gets revealed at the end of the book when Grace visits his family and she realises she was married to a sociopath. Henry seeing his father with Elena was also in the book, he also saw him with another unnamed woman. I was wondering when this would come up, or if they'd skip it altogether. I think Henry is a red herring, he found the axe and is covering for his father because he thinks he did it. Or is it his mother?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 11311/23/2020

Are witnesses allowed to sit in court and hear all the other testimony?

I don't think so.

And Lily Rabe bopping in and out of the courtroom while testimony continues? Where are the bailiffs??

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 11411/23/2020

why was grace at the murder scene?

What is up with elena's painting of grace?

Timeline of elena's murder: Where was hugh at the time of elena's murder? Remember, he was having sex with grace? Was this after or before elena's murder? Or during?

The reveal of the murder weapon does not rule out any of the suspects. It is pretty amazing to do a story like this. It changes up the genre, and is more realistic.

What is the deal with the creepy into with grace, as a child?

I am thinking that they changed the book (as they said they did) and the murderer is: Grace.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 11511/23/2020

I agree with an earlier poster who said there must be a connection between art-loving grandpa and the murder victim, who was an artist herself.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 11611/23/2020

The kid is covering for Jonathan imo. Before Jonathan was arrested at the beach house, he clearly was giving Henry instructions on what to do with the hammer. Grace said this episode that Henry “worshiped” Jonathan and would do anything for him.

This story could have been told in a 2 hour and 20 minute movie. Making it 6 hours was a dreadful idea.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 11711/23/2020

I don't think the kid did it either. But how is Lily Rabe involved? You can't count her out. I'm pretty sure she's the woman who had the affair with Hugh Grant--the other woman he referenced when he was talking to his lawyer.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 11811/23/2020

Franklin never says that jonathan (grant ) is the murderer, just a cheater. He seems to hate the guy too. At this point, I think franklin is trying to frame jonathan for murder. And he knows that grace did it. Because of the style choices, the best reveal would be: Grace did it.

They even told the audience: why isn't grace a prime suspect, when she was at the murder scene and had motive?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 11911/23/2020

Franklin never says that jonathan (grant ) is the murderer, just a cheater. He seems to hate the guy too. At this point, I think franklin is trying to frame jonathan for murder. And he knows that grace did it. Because of the style choices, the best reveal would be: Grace did it.

They even told the audience: why isn't grace a prime suspect, when she was at the murder scene and had motive?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 12011/23/2020

The actress playing the prosecutor seemed to have some sort of strange accent as well. They should have named the series Law and Order: United Nations Edition.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 12111/23/2020

Julia Robert, as the black housekeeper, the one who shows in epi 6 is the killer

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 12211/23/2020

I don't think the kid did it. The only thing that makes sense in that Hugh gave him the weapon and is the murderer after all. Or Grace is the murderer and the kid is covering for her.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 12311/23/2020

Rabe’s character is definitely the original “other woman”. Jonathan is probably her baby daddy too. I’m not where she fits in with the murder but I agree she is sketchy. They’ve gone out of their way to show her and prosecutor have awkward interactions.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 12411/23/2020

OK, wouldn't any sane logical person throw the murder weapon in the Hudson River (or East River if you live off Park Ave.) just to be rid of it? I'll be curious to see how they explain its presence in a child's violin case next week.

And Lily Rabe is not The Other Woman. She's playing it more like Sylvia Fowler or Gladys Kravitz, the nosey neighbor/best friend who's into everybody's business. If she's revealed as the murderer it will really come out of no reasonable place and be such a cheat solution.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 12511/23/2020

R125 when Jonathan first met with the lawyer (the black dyke not the guy one) she asked him about other affairs. He mentioned another one but never got around to saying who it was with. I know this show is pretty poorly written but it was written in a way that suggests it’s significant who it was with and that it would be revealed later. The only candidate who fits that is Lily’s character.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 12611/23/2020

The black lawyer isn’t dyke she got Hugh hard.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 12711/23/2020

r126, I still say Lily's role is too small and insignificant for her to be reasonably considered the murderer.

Now, that said, this series is awful enough and so badly written that you may be right. I just feel it would be a real cop out if the murderer isn't a character we're invested in.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 12811/23/2020

And beyond the fact that she was walking around Spanish Harlem by herself, it was revealed that Grace was walking near Elena's studio at 9:30pm! Strange that this New York neighborhood was completely abandoned at a time when the place would have been jumping. I thought it was, like, at least midnight. (and there would have been plenty of folks out at that time anyway.) Then there's the photo of the victim with her face smashed in shown with no warning with children in the courtroom, including the victim's son. Never would have happened. Why it wasn't shown just to the jury is beyond comprehension. And Jonathan not knowing that the husband was right behind him in line to get in the courthouse. Oy.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 12911/23/2020

Every single time Grace and Sylvia talk on the phone, they abruptly hang up on each other without even signaling a goodbye. These people don't resemble real people at all.

Anyway, I actually think Henry found the hammer and hid it to protect his dad.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 13011/23/2020

How’d she afford an art studio? Even in Spanish Harlem that wouldn’t be cheap. Grace’s father is 100% involved.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 13111/23/2020

So maybe Elena is Grace’s half-sister? And Elena knew it?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 13211/23/2020

No way Henry did it.

So from just seeing his dad once talking to the woman outside the school, Henry would decide to find out who she is, where she works, sneak away when his parents are at the school fundraiser, and kill her?

That wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 13311/23/2020

Yes, a little kid was able to overpower a grown adult woman like that and then expertly clean off all the blood and guts spattered throughout the studio and on himself.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 13411/23/2020

What are the odds of the shot of Henry's crazy eye staring at Grace being repeated next week, in flashback, as Henry pretends to be asleep when Jonathan comes in with the hammer? That eye made me laugh and I want to see it again.

The opening makes sense in the context of the book because Grace is more like a Dr. Laura character whose career revolves around blaming women because they initially ignored red flags and they "should have known." The book is about Grace coming to terms with the fact that she was the worst offender and that it had been a lifelong pattern.

It was sort of glossed over on the show but learning that her parents' relationship wasn't what she believed was a big thing in the book (on par with the revelation that the "dog" had actually been his brother) because it showed how oblivious she had been for her entire life. Of course she would be singing [italic]Dream a Little Dream[/italic] thinking Jonathan is madly in love with her while he's off doing what he does and she's stuck in her bubble seeing only what she wants to see.

It should be noted that the last shot in the opening sequence is of creepy-kid Grace popping a bubble.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 13511/23/2020

Leave it to Reddit. Someone noticed [italic]The Forge[/italic] in the background during the Frick scenes. Jonathan is wielding the hammer while Henry and Franklin are complicit.

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In the book, Jonathan kills his lover when he finds out she's pregnant again.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 13811/23/2020

OK. Here's my theory: Nicole Kidman's father, Donald Sutherland did it. He planted the sculptor's hammer in his grandson's violin case. He hates Jonathan. He knows that if Nicole thinks her kid did it she would let Jonathan take the fall since everyone has decided he must have done it. Now while that makes sense to me, it still doesn't account for the real reason she went out for a walk that night. Was she following her father? Or her son? Or her husband? Maybe Nicole really did it. This is a good storyt. Lots of possibilities.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 13911/23/2020

The only way for this to be a cohesive show is: Grace did it.

The only way out for grace is to blame it on her wig. I think she can call some unsavory dlers as character witnesses.

This is a great show. Great director.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 14011/23/2020

hugh g did it. told ya

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 14111/23/2020

Franklin would have been smart enough to toss the hammer into the East River.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 14211/23/2020

I am sure Nicole Kidman sings the theme song. The intro is too long I always FWD. She has a sweet voice though.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 14311/23/2020

[quote]when Jonathan first met with the lawyer (the black dyke not the guy one) she asked him about other affairs. He mentioned another one but never got around to saying who it was with. I know this show is pretty poorly written but it was written in a way that suggests it’s significant who it was with and that it would be revealed later. The only candidate who fits that is Lily’s character.

Exactly. And dyke lawyer makes a big show of how she knows everything about the lives of the jurors. She has stalked their social media and hired experts to dig up all their dirt. So you know she already has all Jonathan's dirty laundry too--including how his sister died and who else he was having affairs with.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 14411/23/2020

Would the show be better if it took place in London? The horrible accents take me out of the experience to the point I hate it takes place in New York. It actually adds nothing to the plot having New York as a supporting character.

Nicole, the Kid, the lawyers...

Elena and her husband could've been Romanian and the show could've taken place in London.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 14511/24/2020

I don't think Lily Rabe did it. I do think she is the other woman Hugh was having an affair with however.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 14611/24/2020

Among many of the mistakes this series has made is losing the presence of all of Grace's lady friends we met in the first episode. There was some great tension in the luncheon scene and also at the benefit with their husbands. This show needed more character development in those smaller roles that would have opened up the murderer possibilities. Nicole, Hugh, Sutherland and the kid can't sustain 6 episodes on their own.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 14711/24/2020

NK finding the hammer was just like G. finding the typewriter.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 14811/24/2020

Wealthy women who have spent their entire lives with housekeepers are known for tidying up their children's messy rooms in the middle of the night.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 14911/24/2020

STOP saying nicole and keith are gay....for goodness sake:::::they is parents !

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 15011/24/2020

What a waste of money this show is. Poor writing, poor directing, poor acting. The hammer in the child’s violin case was laughable. Ditto sad Nicole walking through New York unattacked late at night to sleep with her creepy husband. Gross.

The only winners are wigs, coats and glamorous apartments/sets. D-

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 15111/24/2020

R151Seems like the wig wasn’t the only thing that skittered from this mess.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 15211/24/2020

Agreed r147, there has been far too little Lily Rabe.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 15311/24/2020

Nicole knows you are all obsessed with her and will watch regardless, trash it if you want. Which other actress is giving you what you want on a scale like this these days? These haters will also watch her upcoming Hulu mini-series like rabid pigs and froth at the mouth over her wig in that one as well.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 15411/24/2020

She’s giving fuckin face, green coat, animal eye, rocky dennis,

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 15511/24/2020

Considering Henry is now staying at his granddad's home, we can't expect him to have carried the hammer all the way from his apartment to his grandad's. Plus, when the police scoured the apartment, they would have found it. I think the granddad did it--but why? Did he know about the affair? If the doctor has more than one affair, why would the grandad kill this one?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 15611/24/2020

The father is connected to Elena in some way. She owns an art studio. The show has gone out of its way to talk about how the father is big in the art scene. There has to be something linking the two.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 15711/24/2020

r148 And like J finding the Music Box!

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[quote]Among many of the mistakes this series has made is losing the presence of all of Grace's lady friends

They’re going to be surprise witnesses. They all had affairs with both Jonathan and Franklin, and also with Elena.

[quote]There has to be something linking the two.

The old-fashioned cocksucker was having an affair with Elena (or perhaps with Jonathan) and killed her when he found out Jonathan was also fucking her. He framed Jonathan for her murder, thereby getting rid of two problems.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 15911/24/2020

Too much damn footage of Nicole's character walking, like the above poster said that time could have been used better with some banter/tension with her lady friends.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 16011/24/2020

J= Jessica Lange and G=Glenn. Now, how many people here know which movies these refer to?? I do. In fact when G found the typewriter I was so glad she finally came to her senses!!!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 16111/24/2020

Was the son at school (and the violin was with him) when the police conducted their search? Kid probably had it in his locker.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 16211/24/2020

R154 Lies. I haven’t even watched the trailer for this, lol. The thread and a third, and snarky comments have been sufficient.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 16311/24/2020

We’re worried about you, r163. It’s okay to admit you need help.

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R164 lmao 😂 Too perfect.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 16511/24/2020

What’s weird is Hugh Grant’s character had told his family he we flying to a conference prior to the murder. So he didn’t flee after seeing her dead; he had planned the fleeing long before.

Also, Hugh went to say goodbye to his some before he left. Was he hiding the hammer?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 16611/24/2020

I beginning to think you bitches are right and the wig did it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 16711/24/2020

[quote]What’s weird is Hugh Grant’s character had told his family he we flying to a conference prior to the murder.

The only logical explanation is that he had been planning to kill Grace that night and run away with Sylvia, but the wig talked him out of it while Grace was in the shower. He didn't want his night to be a complete waste so he killed Elena.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 16811/24/2020

We know the kid played violin in the apartment with President Snow, so the sudden appearance of a hammer makes no sense.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 169Last Wednesday at 7:15 AM

I'm thinking Grace's father put the hammer in the violin case. There was that moment where Henry was playing violin and he paused and spent time listening, then engaged in some forced conversation. It felt like a manufactured "important moment" to me. Whether or not he did the bashing of the head murder is still open to speculation, though.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 170Last Wednesday at 8:39 AM

The kid was playing violin not in a trance. I think he would notice if his smelly grandpa bent over and put a large hammer in a violin case. But nothing on this show makes sense so why not?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 171Last Wednesday at 8:55 AM

OK...but where's the violin!?!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 172Last Wednesday at 9:21 AM

I was surprised to learn a few days ago that someone whose opinion I respect admitted she's hate-watching The Undoing. Like her, if I don't like something, I usually refuse to waste my time watching it. However, we're similar in that we're both caught up with the show and are looking forward to the finale.

I think this show may be onto something. The stars and production values are so top-notch, it was difficult to resist watching out of curiosity. However, the plot is so ridiculous, and the characters are so frustrating, it's difficult to look away.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 173Last Wednesday at 9:32 AM

Thank god Nicolle didn’t get her little titties out this time

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 174Last Wednesday at 9:40 AM

[quote]The only logical explanation is that he had been planning to kill Grace that night and run away with Sylvia, but the wig talked him out of it while Grace was in the shower. He didn't want his night to be a complete waste so he killed Elena.

OR...he had been planning to kill Grace that night and run away with Sylvia, but the wig talked him out of it while Grace was in the shower.

Then Sylvia followed him to Elena's place, watched them have sex, and then killed Elena in a fit of rage.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 175Last Wednesday at 9:53 AM

The way that the detective is so insistent that Jonathan is the killer, to the extent that he's even caught lying on the witness stand, is very suspicious. Elena had affairs with other men, apparently -- maybe he was one of them? He was jealous of Jonathan, saw them having sex that night, then waited until Jonathan left and killed her. He would know how to clean up whatever DNA he'd left behind since he's a cop and now he's framing Jonathan.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 176Last Wednesday at 10:02 AM

R171 lol, I should have been more clear. I don't mean he put it in the violin case at that very moment. I mean that's when he "got the idea" to put the hammer in the violin case later. I mean, the show has a lot of ridiculous elements, but that would be too far!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 177Last Wednesday at 10:19 AM

Assuming that the kid would play his violin every day, why would anyone but the kid put the mallet in the violin case? Which is not to say the kid is the killer, he could have found the mallet with someone he's protecting....but then why not just throw the mallet away somewhere?

The entire series reeks of illogic.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 178Last Wednesday at 10:33 AM

Yes, the hammer should be at the bottom of the East River by now, but these people want to get caught.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 179Last Wednesday at 10:45 AM

There’s only one more episode left. There will be one more plot twist

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 180Last Wednesday at 11:20 AM

I may be late to the party but I'm just catching up on a brilliant spy series called The Night Manager on Prime. The cast includes Noah Jupe , 4 years younger than we see him on The Undoing and quite adorable. Didn't realize it but he's actually British, playing the son of Hugh Laurie and Elizabeth Debicki, our next Princess Diana in S5 of The Crown. And speaking of The Crown, the series also stars Olivia Colman (actually pregnant with her 3rd child) and Tobias Menzies. The Night Manager was directed by The Undoing's Susanne Bier (and she did much better here). Supposedly it was the most expensive mini-series until The Crown.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 181Last Wednesday at 1:36 PM

Is there any American in the principal cast? (Sutherland is Canadian).

Seriously, why is everyone a non-American? No New York actors were available???

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 182Last Wednesday at 2:42 PM

Lily Rabe and Jeremy Shamos, who plays the school principal, are American.

But it's extremely odd, if the series was truly shot in NYC, there are so few Americans in the lead cast.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 183Last Wednesday at 2:44 PM

Ah, yes, Lily Rabe. Thanks for reminding me about her.

I don't get why an English actor, Douglas Hodge, was cast as a New York detective? The miniseries was indeed shot in NYC and you mean to tell me casting couldn't get a New York actor for that role? Oh yes, there's a dearth of talented actors in New York (who don't have to fake a bad accent like Hodge) to be considered for that part. RME.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 184Last Thursday at 5:34 AM

Who is the predicted killer? I am going with Hugh Grant and Nicole’s wig will be shocked to find out.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 185Last Thursday at 5:37 AM

I think it's Hugh, as well. He's a sociopath as his mother suggested (without calling him as such) and either Hugh asked his son to hide the murder weapon in the violin case or the scumbag put it there himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to frame his own son. Hugh's character reminds me of someone in my family who is a sociopath and I see the same theatrics, the same BS disguising a gaping empty emotional shell.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 186Last Thursday at 5:51 AM

I think the director, being European, didn’t care about casting American actors. The accent issues wouldn’t bother her as it would an American director.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 187Last Thursday at 5:58 AM

Douglas Hodge and Noah Jupe were both in the director's The Night Manager for the BBC.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 188Last Thursday at 6:12 AM

Casting a dark haired, non-WASP child actor as a Manhattan prince is the third time a TV show has been marred in my mind. The other two were NBC series Kidnapped and the Fox series Gotham.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 189Last Thursday at 7:35 AM

Rosemary Harris did it

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 190Last Thursday at 8:52 AM

The police officer could have done it, Rabe, Elena’s husband, Donald, Hugh, Nicole, the son... I believe you bitches should all name your suspect and let it lay until Sunday night.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 191Last Thursday at 9:29 AM

Hugh was dark-haired when he was young so why wouldn't he have a dark-haired son, r189? And the boy certainly looks like Donald Sutherland could be his grandfather even if he doesn't resemble Nicole.

There are so many worse things to focus on in this shit show.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 192Last Thursday at 10:46 AM

Did they start CGI-ing wrinkles onto Nicole's forehead?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 193Last Thursday at 11:24 AM

Check out da coats...

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 194Last Thursday at 11:49 AM

If you wear one of the coats without me, you're still naked.

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 195Last Thursday at 12:28 PM

Jonathan snatched one of Grace's wigs and Muppet hide coats, and paid Elena a visit. He did the crime, but she'll do the time.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 196Last Thursday at 12:31 PM

Lol wig n grinch coat

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 197Last Thursday at 12:33 PM

I still think it's Donald as the credits suggest that he was enamoured of his daughter from the time she was little. He's creepy. There, I said it and I'll put my money on it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 198Last Thursday at 1:12 PM

Her Oscar the Grouch coat is nothing anyone should want.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 199Last Thursday at 1:15 PM

Ugly AND expensive, what fabulous coats

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 200Last Thursday at 1:17 PM

Aren't all those coats ugly? The one that looks like a bathrobe!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 201Last Thursday at 1:19 PM

The green coat weighs 15 lbs. It can double as a weighted blanket, making it very attractive to autistic people with limited closet space.

[quote]Remember how I mentioned that the green material is thick? Get this: in total, the coat weighs a whopping 15 pounds, Signe estimated. "You can almost see how heavy it is when she walks around," she said.

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 202Last Thursday at 1:23 PM

I wonder if they knew people would talk shit on the coats?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 203Last Thursday at 1:31 PM

Who will think of the kakapo?!

There only 209 of them left on the planet and 140 were killed to make the green coat.

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 204Last Thursday at 1:38 PM

How much does The Wig weigh?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 205Last Thursday at 1:57 PM

Heavy is the head that wears The Wig.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 206Last Thursday at 1:58 PM

That explains why Kidman can do little more "acting" than heavy breathing. The Wig is simply too heavy. She really didn't think this through.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 207Last Thursday at 2:01 PM

I think the hammer did it, wearing the wig and that coat. This is the only logical explanation. The state wants to get someone, and they can't very well put on trial a hammer. THE LAW.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 208Last Thursday at 3:05 PM

I still maintain that Elena was Grace’s half-sister.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 209Last Thursday at 3:19 PM

I thought maybe Franklin did it, in the beginning. Franklin could have had an affair with elena too. The baby could be his in this scenario. So far, there is no evidence that points to this.

The best ending to this show, tying the whole show together, is: Grace did it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 210Last Thursday at 4:41 PM

I thought maybe Franklin did it, in the beginning. Franklin could have had an affair with elena too. The baby could be his in this scenario. So far, there is no evidence that points to this.

The best ending to this show, tying the whole show together, is: Grace did it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 211Last Thursday at 4:41 PM

Douglas Hodge did it because Elena made fun of his awful accent. But he won't be convicted because she also made fun of the Presecuting Attorney's accent, so the PA will ask the judge to call a mistrial!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 212Last Thursday at 4:47 PM

Fernando was having an affair with the mother of The Wig. The three of them conspired to get rid of Elena.

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 213Last Thursday at 8:15 PM

What wig?? I’m all natural!!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 214Last Friday at 3:03 AM

The wig jokes are lame and played out.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 215Last Friday at 3:33 AM

The wig jokes ain’t getting old for me.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 216Last Friday at 10:16 AM

We bow at the altar of the WIG!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 217Last Friday at 10:32 AM

i like the show. It's film noir. I like the color scheme. Yes, even that green coat. It's really a lovely Chartreuse.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 218Last Friday at 4:03 PM

Someone said that with her pre-Raphaelite hair and green coat, Kidman wanders Manhattan like a Renaissance performer after closing trying to remember where she left her spinning wheel.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 219Last Friday at 4:21 PM

That was me, haha.

It's pretty obvious Hugh planted the hammer on his son.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 220Last Friday at 5:45 PM

The wig is all this show has going for it. It should get its own spin-off...

Skittered.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 221Last Friday at 6:08 PM

Welp, here's what I think. See here's the thing. I'f you're the murderer, you're going to get rid of the weapon. This is NYC. Throw it in the harbor! There's a million places to hide it. But you do not take it home and save it like a souvenir. The only reason the Murderer would keep the murder weapon is if they intended to blame someone else for the crime. IMO

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 222Last Friday at 6:19 PM

Tomorrow, tomorrow

We’ll find out tomorrow

That wig’s got some hell...to...paaaaay!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 223Last Saturday at 4:57 AM

THANK YOU R155 she IS morphing into Rocky Dennis . Her odd shaped face has become distracting

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 224Last Saturday at 8:07 AM

A hilarious recreation of Kidman agreeing to sing “Dream a Little Dream of Me”:

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 225Last Saturday at 8:09 AM

I dont care if these people are the cream of NYC society, not one of them sounds remotely like a NYer...

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 226Last Saturday at 8:14 AM

[R226] Of course not, no one in the family is an American. Even the defense lawyer is a non-American.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 227Last Saturday at 8:25 AM

Oh course r227 but given it takes place the city, make at least one cop sounds a native

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 228Last Saturday at 8:59 AM

^^like^^

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 229Last Saturday at 8:59 AM

R225, that was pretty funny.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 230Last Saturday at 9:07 AM

Isn't the theme that Kidman "should have known" about Hugh? Maybe he planted the hammer to frame his wife?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 231Last Saturday at 9:11 AM

It seems like half-way through, it became irrelevant that Kidman's character is a therapist. No mention at all of her worrying about the state of her patients while she takes leave? If you tuned into just the last 2 episodes, you would think she had no career and was just a rich housewife.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 232Last Saturday at 11:40 AM

Yeah, and where are all of her girl friends for support?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 233Last Saturday at 1:06 PM

Lily Rabe is the only one checking on her, and I suspect she has ulterior motives, r233. (I still haven't finished the latest episode, so perhaps that's already been revealed.)

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 234Last Saturday at 2:38 PM

Maybe a stranger did it. Elena could have had other lovers who were jealous. Hugh picked up the hammer when he came back because he panicked and then took it because it could incriminate him. He and/or the son hid it thinking no one would look there?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 235Last Saturday at 4:04 PM

Would it have been possible for Hugh to kill her, then put the hammer in his sons violin case when he went in to say good night?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 236Last Saturday at 6:51 PM

Speaking of bad wigs I'm finally catching up with the great Apple series The Morning Show and Reese Witherspoon is wearing a wig that's far worse and obvious than Nicole's.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 237Last Saturday at 7:33 PM

Does Henry have dark eyes? How did 2 blue eyed parents have a son with dark eyes?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 238Last Saturday at 8:05 PM

I think Sylvia is reporting everything Grace says back to Franklin or Jonathan. And based on the bridge scene in the trailer, one of the three takes Henry with plans for a murder-suicide.

Maybe Sylvia picked him up after school and took off. It doesn’t make sense that Lily Rabe would take that role for the ten lines of dialogue she’s had thus far. She has to do something big in the last episode.

It had to have been a hostage situation because Grace had time to get there in a helicopter and it also looks like Henry’s hands are possibly tied in front of him.

Grace is also seen screaming on Franklin’s terrace (or attempting to move her dead face into something conveying anguish at the very least). Had she just found a note telling her that Henry was gone?

Final lame guess: we’re going to see Franklin, Jonathan, or Sylvia either jump or get shot during a police standoff and then dramatically stumble over the railing. Someone is going over that bridge tomorrow night, dead or alive.

Then again, they haven’t really deviated that much from the book so they’re probably going to stick us with boring Jonathan.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 239Last Saturday at 8:23 PM

Lily Rabe is not a big name at all. I don't see why she would suddenly get some huge showcase in the finale. Her role might be thankless, but it's still a show with stars that's now a big hit. Why wouldn't she take it? Something other than Ryan Murphy.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 240Last Saturday at 8:38 PM

Is this shit still going on?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 241Last Saturday at 9:12 PM

Sylvia is a nothing-role if this is all we're going to get. Yes, the show is a hit but Lily Rabe should be aiming higher.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 242Last Saturday at 11:15 PM

R241, tonight's the finale!

I thought it was strange Franklin and Sylvia seemed to know each other well. In hindsight, I think she was at Jonathan's earliest hearings on behalf of Franklin.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 243Last Sunday at 1:31 AM

Do you really think Nicole would appear in a TV film that's going to feature and focus on Lily Rabe in the finale?

Btw, does Lily ever wash her hair?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 244Last Sunday at 4:37 AM

I’m fully prepared for a lame conclusion. I don’t expect any crazy twists. God forbid the show actually do something interesting.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 245Last Sunday at 4:44 AM

Lily Rabe should be happy she's on an HBO miniseries with the likes of Hugh Grant, Nicole Kidman and Donald Sutherland. Where did ANY of you get the idea she was some big deal comparable to the aforementioned?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 246Last Sunday at 5:05 AM

I’m going to set fire to my own house if it turns out the kid didn’t do it but was hiding the weapon to protect his dad. Burn it all down as punishment for the stupid people (i.e. me) who allowed that trash to be shown there.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 247Last Sunday at 5:52 AM

Not that this is the most pressing issue on this thread, but, R238, it’s absolutely possible for two blue-eyed parents to have a dark-eyed child.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 248Last Sunday at 7:45 AM

Expanding on my Elena-was-Grace’s-half-sister theory:

I think Franklin hooked Elena up with Dr. Fraser when Miguel had cancer. And he also got Miguel that “scholarship” to the school.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 249Last Sunday at 8:48 AM

Who is ready to be disappointed tonight?

Someone on reddit posited a theory that this is Nicole Kidman's Vanilla Sky -- she's in a coma the whole time, we're watching her dream.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 250Last Sunday at 11:13 AM

Tom cruise shows up to kill Elena because he wants his ex wife Nicole Kidman to suffer!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 251Last Sunday at 12:52 PM

Nic knows what she did.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 252Last Sunday at 12:58 PM

R248 please provide details. :)

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 253Last Sunday at 1:10 PM

R247's ipod = Burning Down The House by Talking Heads

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 254Last Sunday at 1:21 PM

Three seconds in and we've already had our first loud exhalation.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 255Last Sunday at 4:05 PM

Father of the year candidate.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 256Last Sunday at 4:14 PM

Why did Hugh Grant agree to do this show? In the scene where he apologizes for accusing his son he charming scamp routine.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 257Last Sunday at 4:15 PM

Oops, I meant to say he does his charming scamp routine. Like he's having fun, while everyone else is in a melodramatic movie-of-the-week. That scene should've been played completely differently...

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 258Last Sunday at 4:17 PM

Just when you thought this show couldn't get any more ludicrous, that happens.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 259Last Sunday at 4:34 PM

Everyone involved in this shitshow of an episode should never be allowed to work in Hollywood again.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 260Last Sunday at 5:06 PM

Called it. A lame ending. Every single fan theory was more interesting than what ended up happening. What a waste of 6 hours.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 261Last Sunday at 5:06 PM

LMAO...Grace and Franklin showing up in a private helicopter made my hate-watch of this show completely worth it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 262Last Sunday at 5:07 PM

That green dress Grace was wearing in the last scene was hideous!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 263Last Sunday at 5:08 PM

The police just totally let her run by them. Oh sure.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 264Last Sunday at 5:11 PM

The demographic the show was targeted to couldn't handle it, but the aftermath of a murder-suicide involving Jonathan and Henry would've been great for Nicole's Emmy reel come voting time.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 265Last Sunday at 5:12 PM

So, the hot shot attorney knows everything about the jurors, but doesn't know anything about her own client's past? LOL.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 266Last Sunday at 5:12 PM

[quote]LMAO...Grace and Franklin showing up in a private helicopter made my hate-watch of this show completely worth it.

YES! Especially since she got to ride in the front seat like a big girl.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 267Last Sunday at 5:13 PM

So Grace told her friend and her friend told the prosecutor about Jonathan’s mom?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 268Last Sunday at 5:14 PM

And the cops were magically 30 seconds behind Grace who got there in a HELICOPTER.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 269Last Sunday at 5:15 PM

Does anyone know what accent the prosecutor was attempting? It started out a stereotypical New York accent, but then morphed into that of a Guatemalan fruit seller.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 270Last Sunday at 5:16 PM

[quote]So Grace told her friend and her friend told the prosecutor about Jonathan’s mom?

Yes, Nancy Drew.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 271Last Sunday at 5:17 PM

R265, I agree: Hugh Grant's character should have punished Nicole by killing himself and their son. The whole story seemed headed in that direction, which would have made it truer to life.

And for you, R253, on the off-chance you are not kidding:

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 272Last Sunday at 5:17 PM

Hugh grants little drama queen fake suicide attempt was hilarious. He was like a little emo 13 year old, standing there for a minute then climbing down. The only thing missing was the hot topic wardrobe.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 273Last Sunday at 5:30 PM

R270 the actress is danish. I don’t think she was going for any accent, she just sucks at an American one.

Apparently there are no working actors in NYC anymore so they were forced to hire foreigners for every major role, all of whom didn’t even put much effort in pretending to be American.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 274Last Sunday at 5:37 PM

Why was no one keeping tabs on the kid? How could he just sneak off like that? And where the fuck did they land that helicopter?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 275Last Sunday at 5:41 PM

In have to say that Hugh did a good job acting like a psychopath. He was pretty scary in this episode.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 276Last Sunday at 5:43 PM

Another shaggy dog story with no reasonable ending, just bullshit. Where are the writers from 30s to 40s Hollywood? They'd vomit at this mess.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 277Last Sunday at 5:44 PM

Does Lily Rabe have a drug addiction? If not, why else would she sign on for a lame, thankless role. To get away from Ryan Murphy?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 278Last Sunday at 5:46 PM

Lily Rabe had a little bit to do, it was fine.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 279Last Sunday at 6:35 PM

“Did that hurt Darling?”, omg that was sexy scary.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 280Last Sunday at 6:46 PM

The defense attorney is soooooo smart — knows more than anyone else — but couldn’t even entertain the thought that Grave would throw Jonathan under the bus when she testified?

From that point on, through the ending, this Undoing went off he rails.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 281Last Sunday at 6:52 PM

And why, why, WHY would Hugh schlep the murder weapon to the beach house and hide it in the BBQ pit when the Atlantic Ocean was a few yards away??

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 282Last Sunday at 6:57 PM

Honestly, someone like Gwyneth Paltrow would have been better in the main role.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 283Last Sunday at 8:34 PM

I hope the defense attorney throwing herself down on the chair when her objections were overruled will live on in GIFdom. That was the best part of the whole shit-show.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 284Last Sunday at 9:03 PM

So what change did they make from the book? Wasn't the husband guilty in the book as well?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 285Last Sunday at 9:07 PM

It would have been a better ending, if the wig did it. Would have made more sense too.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 286Last Sunday at 9:12 PM

[quote]So what change did they make from the book? Wasn't the husband guilty in the book as well?

R285, I thought R135 and R113 did a good job explaining the differences.

I think the problem with the series is that it seemed more like they tried to do a "Who done it?" As opposed to a psychological thriller about what it's like to be married to a sociopath and live blissfully unaware that he was. It's right there in the title of the book, "You Should Have Known" because it seems everyone from her son Henry to the cops, to her father to her friend to the attorney, to everyone at school, to the victim's husband knew he did it long before Nicole Kidman's character would allow herself to. Even his parents knew he was messed up.

Although it's a fun twist to watch people online guessing who the real killer might be when it was all right there: there's no other killer, he did it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 287Last Sunday at 9:34 PM

If you thought the widower was hot, and he was, try season 4 of [italic]Ray Donovan[/italic].

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 288Last Sunday at 9:42 PM

I've often wondered about the psychology of those who are in long term relationships with psychopaths. Are they naive, slow,damaged, or maybe mildly psychopathic themselves? How could you not know?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 289Last Sunday at 9:44 PM

R289 Wig obstructed her view

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 290Last Sunday at 9:51 PM

I agree with R287 about the change to whodunit. In terms of plot, they didn't deviate that much from the book but at the same time they removed too much of what the story was about. I don't know what the point of that was, unless getting the show made hinged on Nicole Kidman and she didn't want to play a character as unlikeable as Grace?

Without Grace having written a victim-blaming book, her whole journey from obliviousness to finally recognizing what was going on around her seemed pointless. It was more fun when she was chastising women for turning their partners into fictional characters when we knew that Grace had given Jonathan a complete makeover as soon as they started dating, throwing out all of his ratty t-shirts and jeans and replacing them with OCBDs and chinos.

Apart from that, most of the changes seemed to be made for tv. Grace's father wasn't nearly as rich in the book, but then we wouldn't have gotten his apartment or the terrace with a view. Malaga (Elena) had a natural sensuality that men responded to in the book — a complete 180 from Grace and the rest of her brittle UES crew — but she was older and not really sexualized, so then we wouldn't have gotten young labia, tits, and the kiss.

The book was poorly written and I only finished it because I was on lockdown and didn't care what I was reading, but the fuckery of the tv version has made me appreciate it a bit more.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 291Last Sunday at 11:27 PM

I loved the first episode, but it quickly degenerated into imlausible claptrap. There is a fabulous Lily Rabe comedy series about cu(n)throat UES private school moms fighting to get out of this shitshow.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 292Yesterday at 2:39 AM

Even the son is British. What an insult to the city of New York and New York actors. I hope the city taxed them to high heaven to film there. Why not just set it in London? The show completely failed to capture the city and Nicole was not believable as an upper east side mom.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 293Yesterday at 4:37 AM

I'm disgusted at how New York actors were slighted by this show's casting department. Why did only Lily Rabe make the cut? I can't believe even the prosecutor wasn't an American, let alone a New Yorker! Yeah, I enjoyed this craptastic show but I agree--these people were NOT believable as super wealthy Upper East Siders.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 294Yesterday at 4:42 AM

So was it hinted at that Lily Rabe’s character was in a romantic relationship with the prosecutor? And couldn’t there be declared a mistrial if the defense discovered this?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 295Yesterday at 4:47 AM

It was so odd that they kept on having the characters walk through Central Park to get to their destination - Grace walks through the park between her house and her father's, they walked the son to school (his school is on Park?- and they walk through CP). They all live on the same side of the park so there would be exactly zero need to walk through it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 296Yesterday at 4:49 AM

The Wig took flight!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 297Yesterday at 5:08 AM

SAG is a shitty union to have allowed all of the non-American casting.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 298Yesterday at 5:51 AM

I hear they’re working on a sequel....

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 299Yesterday at 6:02 AM

Thanks R272. I suppose a genetic mutation might also explain it. I wonder what they mean when they say “although it isn’t common”. How uncommon/unlikely?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 300Yesterday at 6:31 AM

Here’s a weird real-world example of eye colour and genetics:

Prince William has blue eyes

Kate Middleton has green eyes

Prince George has brown eyes

Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis have blue eyes

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 301Yesterday at 6:38 AM

So, no foreigners live in New York? There's not a single person form Australia or Great Britain living in New York? It's such an oddity that that's what made the show so unrealistic?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 302Yesterday at 6:38 AM

Total aside but the actor playing Elena’s husband could be Joseph Cotten’s brother from another mother... or if rumor has it, brother.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 303Yesterday at 6:41 AM

A friend had a theory that Kidman's character had multiple personality disorder. You could tell which personality she was at any given moment by if she was wearing the green coat or the red one.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 304Yesterday at 7:05 AM

That would've made more sense, R304.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 305Yesterday at 7:13 AM

I must admit that even though this show had its problems, I'm not ready to say goodbye to the characters yet. I would like a second season. I don't know if there will be a second season (both the showrunner and Nicole Kidman have said conflicting things) but the plot of it could follow the book more -- Grace is writing a book titled "You Should Have Known." Her therapy practice surely has to be over, who would want her advice after all this? Not sure how much Jonathan would factor into the new season, maybe it could loosely follow his appeal or something. The trial was so ridiculous, I don't even know what the actual outcome of these events would be.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 306Yesterday at 7:32 AM

IMO.... this lawyer fucked up big time...but you know that. First of all, when they were in that little room, Her, Hugh Grant & Nicole, she said they were in a good place. Things were looking better. They were finished. Once a lawyer reaches that point, she does not revisit her strategy and suddenly put wifey on the stand.

She knew that Nicole and Hugh were hating on one another even in the car on the way to court. She had to reprimand them. She had to instruct them to hold hands. She knew there was a lot of hostility there. And...she also had access to that 911 call. This is not something you overlook. Because it is part of the prosecution's case. So she knows what Nicole said to get her client arrested in the first place.

So, in the same way a defense attorney never puts their client on the stand unless it will definitely do them some good and there is no other option, she would never put a witness like Nicole on the stand. Plus as his wife, nothing she says in his favor will likely count with a jury. Juries tend not to give much credibility to wives who say, "Oh, my husband would never do that."

So the thought process that ended up with the Defense attorney willing to allow a suddenly eager Nicole to testify on Hugh's behalf, doesn't have an ounce of credibility IMO. NADA. Oh. And that Defense attorney fucked up by calling Miguel to testify. The kid found his mother bludgeoned to death. He is a cancer survivor. He's fucking 12 years old...No way.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 307Yesterday at 7:35 AM

You wanna see a good court room drama? Go rent or stream Jagged Edge, the thriller with Jeff Bridges and Glenn Close. Damn she was good. Who ever wrote that knew a few things about criminal law and court rooms.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 308Yesterday at 7:38 AM

The close-ups in natural light of Kidman's face on the chopper were horrific. Without exquisitely composed interior lighting. her face looks like it's composed of the transplanted flesh of dead people.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 309Yesterday at 7:55 AM

R309, it’s so funny you mention that! Her face looked terrifying in both the final helicopter scene, as well as one of the courtroom scenes where her character was sitting near a window with natural light beaming on her face. It looked so pale and waxy.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 310Yesterday at 8:04 AM

Soap operas have more believable trial scenes than "The Undoing."

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 311Yesterday at 8:08 AM

R308 Music Box is better, personal to me, and more poignant.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 312Yesterday at 8:12 AM

R309 🤣😂🤣😂

You bitches are brutal.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 313Yesterday at 8:13 AM

R284-She was almost as good as Mark Rylance throwing himself down on the same chair in Trial Of The Chicago Seven.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 314Yesterday at 8:18 AM

Ultimately this show was disappointing. All the red herrings were for nothing, and the courtroom theatrics at the end were embarrassing.

I agree Nicole looked weird in sunlight and LOL at her focusing her eyes on the ground below in a helicopter.

The weirdest thing to me was the flashback of the killing. Maybe if she had done something more threatening but it was not believable that he would repeatedly smash her head in like that.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 315Yesterday at 8:23 AM

same as in book, dad did it/ hugh ....u dum shits.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 316Yesterday at 8:23 AM

same as in book, dad did it/ hugh ....u dum shits.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 317Yesterday at 8:23 AM

Was Lily Rabe supposed to be a lesbian? Was that a woman in bed with her? I couldn't tell.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 318Yesterday at 8:24 AM

It looked like Lily's daughter's bedroom though why they were sleeping together is beyond me.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 319Yesterday at 8:43 AM

Did Kidman get a chin implant? It looks like it's difficult for her to hold her mouth closed. Also makes her mouth look more clownish.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 320Yesterday at 8:47 AM

Elena’s husband had a very limited vocabulary. He called the defense attorney “vile” twice in the courtroom and then twice again in an anteroom. And would a guy of his ethnicity and social class really use the term “vile” to describe someone?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 321Yesterday at 10:06 AM

[quote]And would a guy of his ethnicity and social class really use the term “vile” to describe someone?

Did you just ask if a Puerto Rican man would ever use the word "vile" to describe people as if he wouldn't have ever heard the word in the 30 odd years of his life? Never read a book? Never watched a TV show?

Also I don't know what "social class" you think he was as the couple had enough money for them to have an apartment with their two children and for her to have a studio on the side she also used in a major city. That's pretty expensive right there. They weren't dirt poor. Hell, if they moved out of the city they could have probably bought a nice house.

And yes their son needed a scholarship to the school but the school was also $50,000 a year which the series even pointed out is a lot for most people even if the other student's parents at school could afford it.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 322Yesterday at 10:27 AM

^Nothing makes sense. Why would someone of his social class have tolerated his wife being an artist. A "sculptor" no less. That's not a job....it's a hobby for rich, entitles brats.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 323Yesterday at 10:27 AM

The scenes in the Alves home clearly revealed it to be a cramped 2 bedroom railroad apartment in a tenement, housing a bodega on the street floor. Was it supposed to be in East Harlem ? How crazy to think that Nicole would go strolling around the neighborhood alone in her expensive clothes in the middle of the night.

Did the father work for a living? Did they ever bother to let us know what he did? And what will happen to the baby daughter that's not his?

David Kelley is so out of town with real life.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 324Yesterday at 11:23 AM

I still don't understand why the husband let Hugh grants character into his house to hold the kid. Was that explained in the book? It made zero sense.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 325Yesterday at 12:12 PM

That poor baby, is all can say. Will Nicole's character adopt her sociopath husband's and victim's child? The saddest part of this story is that Kidman's face is only going to look worse--Joan Rivers could tell her the downside of monthly surgeries!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 326Yesterday at 12:27 PM

R320, she’s had some new teeth put in, too. Is there a nee underbite? Probably has bone loss from years of anorexia.

Her face is horrifying.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 327Yesterday at 1:02 PM

R308 Jeff Bridges did it. Typewriter found by Glenn Close proves it.

Saved someone from wasting two hours of their life

You're welcome

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 328Yesterday at 1:16 PM

So much made no sense, and yet the detail I keep coming back to is Jonathan's fake trip to Cleveland. Why? Why mention it at all if it meant nothing?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 329Yesterday at 1:20 PM

You would think with all that was going on Grace would have took her son to school or at least made sure he got there. The grandfather was also very protective of Henry. That was sloppy writing that the kid could just take off with dad like that.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 330Yesterday at 2:59 PM

My favorite part was when Hugh's character was saying "she fucked us!" and then the lawyer told him that it was his fault he lost Grace and he was stupid to not get rid of the hammer.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 331Yesterday at 3:03 PM

I still can't believe Grace was dumb enough to go and sleep with him again

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 332Yesterday at 3:07 PM

[quote] I still don't understand why the husband let Hugh grants character into his house to hold the kid. It made zero sense.

No kidding. He should've held the husband. THAT was the twist this show needed.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 333Yesterday at 3:11 PM

Yeah, and why is a man who is not the bio father of the baby even allowed to keep her? Didn't the dead woman have any relatives who could step in and take her? No friends?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 334Yesterday at 6:08 PM

Didn't the High Court of Datalounge-and-Gilead already sentence Grace to eighteen years of raising her husband's bastard?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 335Yesterday at 7:19 PM

The wig is innocent?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 336Yesterday at 10:30 PM

In the book, Elena was pregnant AGAIN with another child of Jonathan’s, and he didn’t want her to mess up his family. Also, in the book, the son Henry is NEVER shown to be the possible murderer or. To be involved in the death in any way.

BTW, what was up with the painting of Grace that Elena did? Is that just proof that she was as crazy as everyone else?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 337Yesterday at 10:34 PM

If you left before the credits ended you missed the part where Grace made them turn the helicopter around so that she could give Jonathan another chance.

#cuties #happyending #love #couplegoals

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 338a day ago

I still think Hugh is pretty attractive and did the most with the script compared to the others. Then again he was the only one who didn't have to disguise his accent. Well Donald Sutherland the corksucker also.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 33919 hours ago

Can you imagine anyone seeing a rough cut of this and thinking: "I know the perfect song for the opening credits, Dream a Little Dream of Me!"

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 34019 hours ago

SHUT UP! IT WAS THE ONLY SONG I SANG REASONABLY WELL!!! (after autotuning, of course...)

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 34118 hours ago

I could knit a fucking sweater from all the loose ends they left hanging in this disappointing and ridiculous show.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 34217 hours ago

Sutherland pronounced another word weirdly on the finale, like he did with “cocksucker.” He’s fucking CANADIAN and has worked in the US for decades. What was up with that?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 34317 hours ago

R343 He was wigged.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 34416 hours ago

r338 That green fucking gown. Nicole Kidman looks like she's dressed to pose for Dante Rossetti.

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 34516 hours ago

Have we talked abut Sutherland's insane insect eyebrows yet?

Canadians talk funny.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 34615 hours ago

Sutherland called Hugh a "mownster" in the last episode. I guess that's to what r343 alludes.

And yes, his eyebrows, big competition for Nicole's wig!

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 34715 hours ago

In the final episode, Franklin tells Grace she’s always been able to see things for what they are, and he can’t believe she can’t see her husband for the sicko that he is.

But in a previous episode he has to gently correct her because she thought her parents had such a wonderful marriage.

So which is it?

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 34814 hours ago

I think his eyebrows were a tribute to the wonderful late actor Donald Moffat’s eyebrows.

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by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 34913 hours ago

I cracked up when Grace suddenly got a PhD from Harvard....UNIVERSITY (ever hear of it?)

This show would've been so much better if it emphasized Grace had written a book that essentially blamed women for ignoring red flags in relationships. That was not clear AT ALL...and it made the title and overall plot idiotic.

by Brought to you by Juvedermreply 35010 hours ago

I had no idea that Noah Jupe was the son of the recipient of this beloved vicious face-slapping.

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