Looks Like Biden Wants To Just Let Trump Slide Once He's Out Of Office

STFU, Mr. President-Elect. Sit this one out. Not your concern.

Biden should remain above the fray and stay out of what will turn into another political circus when Trump administration officials are prosecuted. But that's all Biden should do, as in not stopping, deflecting, denying or otherwise obfuscating the effort to prosecute by an independent DOJ. The point that must be made to Biden, if he decides to stall or stop such prosecutions, is that if we don't prosecute Republican wrongdoing, they'll just do it all again, only more and worse the next time out.

You can make the argument that the reason we ended up with Trump is because Obama didn't prosecute anyone in the Bush administration for the obvious (war) crimes they committed. Trump saw this and realized that he could do anything he wanted so long as the base remained devoted sufficient to scare Democrats, and on that front he has succeeded wildly.

Just get Trump out of the White House once and for all and then concentrate on healing and running the nation!

Trump's in a heap of trouble without retaliation led by Biden.

Letting Trump off scot-free will give him the attitude he can still do no wrong and his criminality will continue unabated. Where financial crime is concerned Trump is like a pig in slop.

Let the states prosecute.

Generally it's not a good idea to prosecute when you yourself are tainted with corruption.

Sitting Presidents calling for the investigations of their predecessors is a slippery slope. Between Cy Vance, NYS AG, and SDNY, Trump will have his hands full. It’s best Biden stays above the fray.

Then Biden is in the clear, R7.

Biden needs to STFU. During the campaign, he said it would be up to the Department of Justice to do investigations and make decisions about criminality. That's it. Period. The other thing he has to do is appoint good solid people to the Inspector General offices in every single department and agency and let them make their reports to COngress and to him about all the shady contracts, ethics violations, and PPE funds that were stolen. So he doesn't have to dirty his hands. He and Congress can pass legislation and work on policy matters and hiring good people. One damned thing is for sure. There is no way in hell he needs to use the possibility of no prosecution as some kind of bargaining chip with McConnell. I know right now, Nunes and his staff, and people on McConnell's staff are as crooked as they come. Same goes for Ron Johnson. Biden needs to stop campaigning for sainthood and be a damned leader. This isn't about revenge, it's about justice for the American taxpayers. He talks about tax cuts? LEts talk about waste and fraud as part of that discussion. He ought to be threatening them. Nothing infuriates me more than a fucking Democrat who has the power and pisses it away. Mother fuck!

Let New York State handle that nonsense. Or other private individuals who can sue Trump.

I think Biden needs to put his effort behind some Constitutional amendments to avoid a Trump redux. I think shortening the transition to one month would be a good way to start. Also limits on the President's power to pardon.

Let's not all freak out just yet people and start Biden bashing. This could be a trial balloon to try and gauge public opinion or ease the mind of BLOTUS in an effort to make him think he'll get off scott free and then concede.

[Quote] If he lets him get off scot-free I'm going to be so pissed.

Prepare to be pissed then because this is the only way Biden can get Trump off the ledge and give him a pathway to concede. Otherwise, Trump is going to go coo coo for a coup.

Dude, he's not even sworn in. It's called Diplomacy. He also said he'll leave it to the Justice Dept. He's not going to start the "Lock Him Up!" bullshit that real Presidents don't do.

R14 is correct. Keep calm and let the next administration open a new chapter.

Frankly, there's plenty of time to deal with cheeto after he's out of office.

The priority should be to focus resources of fixing all the damage the idiot did while in office - from the FTC to the courts to EPA to the DoJ, high and low, he's made a mess of everything.

You understand Biden has proxies/backchannels to law enforcement, right? In addition, NY prosecutors have Trump in its crosshairs. They should request revocation of the Trump crime syndicate's passports citing flight risk.

Biden can find the whole idea off putting. I have no problem with that. But if his justice department decides that Trump was involved in crimes that warrant investigating and prosecution he needs to stay out of it and let the people who know what they're doing do their work.

The time for Democrats being pushovers and the nice guys must end. They need to start taking names and whipping asses.

Cheeto's own legacy, along with SDNY, is punishment enough. Biden needs to concentrate on Covid and police reform.

I see a lot of people saying to just let the states handle Trump. That would only solve the Trump problem, but do nothing about the corrupt politicians left in Washington. A massive investigation needs to be done to figure out why people like McConnell and Graham helped Trump do all this illegal shit. If these investigations turn up Dems enablers, then they need to be punished too. If we do nothing AGAIN, then things are going to continue to escalate.

Who's to say that if Trump has any Kompromat on the Republicans like McConnell, Graham, etc that he won't give that up in exchange for a lesser sentence/some sort of deal.

After all, he is loyal to no one and I think he will want to revenge himself on the GOP enablers. He perceives them as not being loyal enough to him.

This will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Joe's right, the country needs to calm down and get together again. His presidency shouldn't be a personal vendetta against Trump. Let the states' DoJ and private citizens go after Dump. There's enough dirt to put him in jail.

Well, part of the problem is that we desperate need to have cooperation to get the COVID Relief package of legislation passed so we are not in the abyss economically in February. And we need to get the COVID Vaccine distribution plan together , etc. There is a very urgent legislative agenda that requires cooperation. And if we had been able to gain a majority inn the fucking Senate we could prosecute until kingdom come. But we didn't. So now we have to bide our time and hope for Georgia to come through. I am not optimistic. I bet the Secretary of State, who is a stand up guy, will cave in in favor of the Republicans for the Senate run off, since he delivered AG to Biden. OTOH, he may not. He may really fuck with the Republican Governor who's an asshole, and help Ossoff and Warnock win .

[quote]Joe's right, the country needs to calm down and get together again. His presidency shouldn't be a personal vendetta against Trump. Let the states' DoJ and private citizens go after Dump. There's enough dirt to put him in jail.

You should've just left it with your last sentence because there is no getting together with people who think people who aren't white or have a different religion, don't count as Americans and that it was OK for the president of the United States to continue to foment hate for those people who live and work and pay taxes (unlike that orange cunt) in this country.

It isn't a "personal vendetta," it's holding Trump, his parasitic family and admin. accountable for the violations they've committed. They have in fact broken the god damned law and not just during this presidency. This long time coming.

This is a long time coming*

I think that Biden should let prosecutors from various states take care of Trumpkins!

Another one here who think Biden should quietly let the JD do what it needs to do. I feel, regardless of what the JD does, the state of New York is going after the Cheeto.

Uh, OP, New York State will be going after him. I don’t know what you expect Biden to look into? Trump will be walking out with a pardon anyway. If Trump starts messing with shit at the federal-level I’m sure Biden’s administration will go after him.

Nope because he knows he is fucked in the state of New York. the Biden IRS can certainly release his tax forms.

R27, they will. Letitia and NYSD is licking their chops to get these cockroaches.

Southern hick pressure to try an end any investigation would be laughed at here. Cuomo would tell them to STFU if they want their allowance.

Fuck NYS charges. Those are all tax cases which aren't likely to put Trump behind bars, maybe a lawyer or two but not him.

We have a bigger issue f Trump/Jared trading American secrets, intel, and likely a hot of other shady Federal crimes that need to be investigated. How can the country ever heal or pretend to live up to its ideals when we let Presidents off the hook time and time again. Biden needs to be realistic. He will either be weakened by a Primary challenger in 2024 or on his very last leg (healthwise) either way he needs to play this like he's got one good term in him and go balls to the wall.

Eric Trump already had to testify before a grand jury. No doubt more is to come there. The E. Jean Carroll rape case defamation suit is moving forward. And there were 10 counts of obstruction in the Mueller report, but they couldn't indict a sitting President because of some stupid memo.

All of that is plenty for DoJ, SDNY, and the courts to get started with. THEN there's the shit we will find out about once we take over the Executive Branch on January 20th (I'm thinking those calls to Ukraine and other shit that was tucked away on super secret servers somewhere).

Not to mention Deutchebank and others calling in Trump's loans. He is in a world of hurt, if I were him I wouldn't even wait until January, I'd pack my bags and flee now.

What are the charges to be?

If he does not prosecute this treasonous crime family to the letter of the law then the Constitution of The United States is toliet paper and everyone will know it.

[quote] If he does not prosecute this treasonous crime family to the letter of the law then the Constitution of The United States is toliet paper and everyone will know it.

You may want to sit down and actually read the document. Trump didn’t commit treason.

"Generally it's not a good idea to prosecute when you yourself are tainted with corruption."

I'm a lawyer.

Look. You have about 73, 000,000+ who voted for Donald Trump. You have thousands of MAGA Activists who insist this election was stolen. The Mueller investigation was false. That by his own words Trump has been hounded ceaselessly with false accusations and investigations.

If you fail you investigate him, you are giving him and all these millions of supporters, and thousands of conspiracy theorists fuel to accelerate their charges and their sense of loss. You will also piss off a few million Biden supporters. especially the ones whose support was "soft."

In addition you are sending a message that if you have power, if you're an elected official you are immune from prosecution for wrong-doing. So IMO Trump's administration needs to be investigated and prosecuted where appropriate. We need irrefutable evidence that these people were pigs.

Ooh, we should bow down to liars and dumbfucks!

Trump's administration aren't criminals who stole money from taxpayers and abused their offices because we BELIEVE they aren't.

Nobody actually has to enforce the law or remember the damage, even if it means opening up our election system to Russian hackers and bribers.

Just let Trump and the GOP do whatever they want! Law and order is for BLM ONLY!

Get George III out of office. Let NY state go after him. He'll probably stroke out fairly soon, or emigrate to North Korea.

I never realized how much plastic surgery old Joe has had to make him look less so.

[quote]You may want to sit down and actually read the document. Trump didn’t commit treason.

He has absolutely committed treason regardless of what the constitution states. That isn't hyperbole and if you're going to pretend that he didn't even BEFORE he became president, then his supporters and enablers are either stupid or proving that as long you're a white man, you're never held accountable.

[quote] If you fail you investigate him, you are giving him and all these millions of supporters, and thousands of conspiracy theorists fuel to accelerate their charges and their sense of loss. You will also piss off a few million Biden supporters. especially the ones whose support was "soft."

Stop worrying about what MAGAs think. It makes your post suspect. It almost sounds like a red herring. Why aren't you focusing on the positive and potential of the new President and VP.

Trump is going to be investigated by SDNY and AGNY. And they're not after him for just an unpaid parking ticket. His legal wranglings will never allow him a moment's peace from now until his last breath. I would prefer President Biden and VP Harris focus on this country, not criminal proceedings. Don't pardon trump. Just save that file for a future date.

[quote]It's called Diplomacy.

Meanwhile, his own kid would be sitting in jail right now if Dump and the Repubs had their way.

Again, what are the charges?

I read an article yesterday that said once Biden takes office he will have the power and authority to simply hand over Trump's taxes. I have a feeling that maybe he's making these statements about wanting to just move on in order to keep himself out of the fray. I think he knows there are going to be lots of investigations of Trump. He just doesn't want it to be seen as investigations he ordered himself.

I voted for Joe and I am glad he won but he has this crazy notion that all you have to do is be nice to Conservatives/Republicans and they will work with you to make the country better. I am not sure what Joe has been smoking but apparently he slept through the last 12 years. Nearly all Republicans are evil and corrupt and if you give them an inch they will take a mile. I have mixed feelings about throwing a former President in jail because if we do it to one of theirs they will turn right around and do it to one of ours for the most petty mistake. However if anyone deserves to be in jail it is Trump.

R44 YOU haven't been paying attention have you.

For one Trump was an unnamed co-conspirator in the indictment that sent Michael Cohen to jail.

Trump order the separation of children from their parents at the border with no plan to ever match those children back up with their parents. That is kidnapping.

Trump has violated the emolument clause of the constitution.

That is just off the top of my head I am sure there is more. You will deny everything above because you are that stupid.

Let bygones be bygones.

We Democrats always puss out... If the situation was reversed, do you think Trump & the rest of the Neo-Nazis would be trying to kiss & make up? If a Democratic president did even one-fourth of what Trump has gotten away with, he or she would be impeached, indicted & sent to prison.

R42, God help us if the law ever gave a shit about what his clown car thinks. Even if all charges were dropped, his garbage supporters would be just as despicable.

This isn't about "Republicans" vs "Democrats," because as much I disagree with someone like Raffenburger, at least he still respects the basic tenets and laws of this nation. At least he still has integrity.

We need to purge Trump supporters. They are not Americans. They are a Fascist cult who thinks their leader should be allowed to be corrupt, to lie , to commit TREASON, to dispose of anyone who is critical of him. That is not what democracy is and it never will be. A genuinely ignorant, hateful, corrupt swine became president. We cannot normalize him or his supporters. If they become disengaged with what a candidate and voting and elections are supposed to be, then so be it. No normal person needs them voting.

I'm sure the White House employee's have informed Trump the exact location of the White House back door.

r47:Laughing at Stupid!

More man hours have been expended investigating Trump than Nixon, Clinton and Reagan combined. Are there any real charges, or not? (Dumb-assed ignoramus rants aside)

I was wondering why I put the asshole above on ignore. Having looked at the other posts just now, I see I was right to do so. Trump supporting trash. Oh, yes, Biden is so corrupt. You still sitting on your fat ass waiting for UPS to give Tucker the flashdrive or documents or whatever the fuck horseshit he claimed was some carrier's plot to protect Hunter?

You also want a "do-over" with the election, meanwhile, you're certainly quiet about Trump wanting to STOP the count only when he was leading. And you think that isn't corrupt? You're such sick people. Genuinely deranged, immoral hypocrites.

Joe and Kamala are circumventing the blockade by contacting the vaccine manufacturers themselves. Also Kamala is a senator and has access to classified info that Dump is withholding. I'm sure Obama and Bill Clinton have also access.

It's not ideal of course, but it's also not like Joe is completely left in the dark.

My dad used to say, "Do you think their doing that because they LIKE you" You guys are dupes. Someday these people will use this precedent against YOU.

So barely any leaks from the campaign, barely any from the transition, and then out of nowhere five people willing to go on the record with this? So that tells us this "leak" is officially backed. Maybe as a test balloon to judge the public reaction, as some have said. My more cynical nature thinks this is meant as a message to the DoJ about what Biden doesn't want to happen.

What really gets me is the talk of him wanting to fix the problems - well you can only fix problems when you know what the problems are. And without a proper investigation we won't know what all the problems are.

[quote]If a Democratic president did even one-fourth of what Trump has gotten away with, he or she would be impeached, indicted & sent to prison.

Yeah, just watch me!

^He got a BJ and lied about it, you fucking idiot. That's not tantamount to trying to steal the election away from the will of 80 Million people or ignoring Putin's bounty on soldier or his corrupt kids using the presidency as a piggybank.

soldiers*

It won’t be up to Biden to let trump off Scott free. That is up to the justice department.

Obama didn’t fight the Republicans and Mitch McConnell as well as Donald Trump as hard as he should have. Last two years of his administration demonstrated what that actually meant. History is about to repeat itself, with Biden ignoring Donald Trump and his crimes.

What we will learn in the next two years, and what Republicans will learn, is that m crime does indeed pay.

This is like Rick letting Negan live.

[quote]Also Kamala is a senator and has access to classified info that Dump is withholding. I'm sure Obama and Bill Clinton have also access.

The scary thing is that Trump will have continued access after January 20th, and is guaranteed to blurt secrets out if not outright sell them.

R64 Another reason not to turn a blind eye once Trump leaves office. I think several people in this thread are correct and Biden is just trying to not rock the boat before he's officially installed as President.

If the dems don't do anything, I'll never vote again

the dems will be dead to me

[quote] If the dems don't do anything, I'll never vote again

You don't live in this country, Boris. You have never voted here so there can not be a next time.

Yes, yes...you are a lifelong Democrat taking care of your invalid parents.

R65 If he was trying to not rock the boat nothing would have been said at all.

R68 I would agree with you except there's been talk about all the investigations coming, both from politicians and the citizenry. I think Biden is just saying these things to calm the other side down keep things "stable."

Biden doesn't have to do anything. That's what his cabinet is for. Have the DOJ handle it. All he needs to make sure is that it does its job well according to the Constitution and the law. The country needs the rule of law back. This is an extraordinary time so he needs to send a strong and clear message that nobody is above the law.

If he does not do this, the country is finished.

R70 And what if the DOJ reads this article and takes the message that Biden doesn't want investigations?

I'll repeat myself - the campaign and the transition have been relatively leak-free. And then this comes along with five different people willing to leak? It's obviously deliberate.

[quote] He has absolutely committed treason regardless of what the constitution states.

Oh, dear.

What exactly are you "oh dearing" since the constitution doesn't literally state anything about ignoring Russian bounties on soldiers or blackmailing foreign countries, yet that falls under treason.

Please oh please let them get Jared and Ivanka too, along with Melania, that cunt knew what was going on.

New York has Ivanka and the two Fredos. I don't know about Jared.

[Quote] [R70] And what if the DOJ reads this article and takes the message that Biden doesn't want investigations

That's when Congress steps in.

And of course there's the little matter that Millennials don't talk about because it would be unFAIR (and because they don't want their own secret (bi) sex lives exposed): Trump paid a porn star to hush-up about their sexual tryst because it would adversely affect his Presidential campaign.

R77 Everyone talks about that though.

ALL REPIGS NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED. The treason was not confined to Drumph himself. The Senate Majority has blood on its hand as well. None of them obeyed subpoenas and that alone is illegal. We need to drag the likes of Miss Lindz, Mike Pompeo, Steve Mnuchin, Bill Barr, Wilbur Ross, Betsy Devoss, Mike Mulvaney, Michael Flynn, Steve Brannon, Hope Hicks, Don McGahn and Kellyanne Conway - and this is just the beginning. ALL of the above have shady pasts and shady motives to break our Constitution. Put them ALL on the stand and the truth may come out. If they commit perjury, throw their asses in jail and let their records list them as the felons that they are!

Let's hope that even if Kamala is the V.P. that she can still work with the new DOJ in prosecution these Repug criminals.

We've let Repugs get away with every criminal act since Reagan colluded with Iran over the hostages to win the 1980 election. It needs to end, now.

[quote]what if the DOJ reads this article and takes the message that Biden doesn't want investigations

Do you really think Biden is the kind of guy to leak weaselly little messages to manipulate the DoJ into doing what he wants them to do?

He doesn't even have the DoJ appointed yet. The current crew isn't going to be there once Biden is inaugurated.

"Look here, guys, it was just all a bunch of bullshit to get me elected. The guy hasn't done anything. What am I supposed to charge him with?"

After running this through my mind many times since I started this thread I now believe Pres. Biden's DOJ will get him to understand the need for investigations of Trump and many others in his administration, and prosecution if crimes were committed. That is, if Pres. Biden doesn't already know that and is just doing whatever he can to keep the Trump crazies as calm as possible before he's inaugurated. Remember we know there are tens of millions of people who voted for Trump who are obviously batshit crazy. Not all of them are crazy enough to do something bad, but I dare say there is a very uncomfortable percentage of them who are.

R82 Do you really think this leak was by accident?

And yes, he's exactly that kind of person. He is the ultimate politician.

And if what he's saying is true about not wanting influence over whether it investigates or not, it won't matter who he appoints, it'd be the lifelong DoJ staffers he'd be leaving this decision to.

The new DOJ needs to appoint a special prosecutor or independent council immediately to look at all the illegalities the Trump administration committed - especially in terms of abuse of security norms to hide their malfeasance. If they give this a pass, I'm never voting again.

Agree r86. The new AG appointing a special prosecutor is the way to go. Mueller was hamstrung by Rosenberg and there is other alledged crimes outside those parameters..

Expect though, Trump will pardon family members and prime cohorts. He will also pardon himself which will trigger court challenges.

Barr needs to answer to the next AG.

Question to those who know how the DOJ works: Must all DAs appointed by Trump automatically resign or do they stay on or is it case-by-case situation?a

If they don't do anything, trump could very well run again in 2024 and win

YOu know, we have seen what happens when Republicans decided which laws they will ignore and which laws they will enforce. Now, you're telling me, basically, that Biden and his crew are going to do the same fucking thing. See? This is exactly the point Kamala was making with her attack on Joe ab9ut Busing, in a way. Because she was telling Joe, in so many words, that he might be too anxious to make deals and compromise, and give in, because "reaching out across the aisle" basically means that. Joe needs to keep his hands off, and let the Justice Department, and the Inspectors General do their job.

I didn't say anything leaked on accident, R85. I'm saying Biden has already made it clear that prosecution would be up to the DoJ, not him.

And no, it doesn't make any sense for him to leak today what he wants the brand new DoJ to do in two months. That's not how leaks work. Besides, Biden publicly said the DoJ is independent and not beholden to him, so it doesn't make sense for him to publicly have this kind of thing leaked if its intent is to make the DoJ beholden to his personal wishes. I mean, that's just dumb. Biden isn't that dumb.

Everyone is going overboard in trying to trash Biden's presidency before it even starts. Every day there's 10 threads like this with people saying that Biden is what's wrong with America and he's gonna suck as president and all is doomed. ENOUGH.

R92 So if it wasn't by accident, you're conceding it was deliberate?

And what do you mean by "brand new DoJ"? You do understand that there are tens of thousands of people working there now who will be working there past January 20, right? And this could easily work as a signal to those people as to his intentions. You really think people in DC don't try and work out what the president wants based on stuff like this?

And if you don't like these threads, fuck off out of them. Don't act like it's somehow not allowed to criticise Biden, especially if he is going down this path.

I think the leak was intended to reassure the various hangers-on in the Trump orbit that there won't be massive investigations of all of them, to encourage them to move toward a transition rather than fighting it. I think he'll still allow DOJ to pursue the big stuff against Trump and the inner circle.

Yeah, special prosecutor is the way to go. Hillary might want to check the statute of limitations on one or two or twenty things also.

The new AG only has to release the unredacted Mueller report. That'll be enough to send Dump's ass in jail.

[quote]Letting Trump off scot-free will give him the attitude he can still do no wrong and his criminality will continue unabated.

Please. This has been his attitude from the very beginning.

I have a feeling Trump's inaugural committee shenanigans will be the first thing to get him post-presidency.

R98 Trump has done so much shit since then, that I can't remember what happened with the inaugural committee.

Biden will replace all Trump political appointees. He may let Christopher Wray remain (if Trump does not fire him) because that appointment is usually for a 10 year term, and Wray has tried to be non-partisan in the job.

They will clean house in the upper eschelon of the DoJ. Barr has been totally partisan, corrupt, and a Trump sycophant. Any U.S. attorney that doesn't have civil service protection and was appointed in the Trump era, will end up leaving soon or be terminated.

EPA, Education, HUD, etc. are a mess. Most have to go.

The State Department will be overhauled. Some career diplomats may stay.

r96 and Bernie's!

[quote]I can't remember what happened with the inaugural committee.

In a nutshell, lots of $$ donated to his inaugural fund which remains unaccounted for.

Biden is up to his ears in corruption charges. He knows he didn't win too.

Utter bullshit R103.

Fuck off R103.

Rudy @R103, don't you have a brief to prepare?

It’s the quickest way to drop him from the news cycle. Let SDNY prosecutors ream him at their leisure. Trumpsters will stop talking about him soon enough. A clue for those who don’t get the power of mass communication: there was a time when the Atlanta Braves were just a regional favorite. Enter TBS.

Thank you R102.

Joe Biden is beyond wise to lead with his "healing" mantra, but let the new AG, FBI, NY State AG and Intelligence community all go to work on Trump and family independent of his direct input.

[quote]Rudy @[R103], don't you have a brief to prepare?

The only ones he prepares are the gross ones his hands go inside of.

And I guess I shouldn't be surprised from the reactions that I already have R103 on ignore.

Will Dump trash the WH furniture before they drag him out? Is he allowed to stay until inauguration day? How does it work?

I bet Ivanka will steal stuff.

LOL

So, I guess everyone is supposed to turn on Biden and decide he's terrible and reject everything his administration attempts to push through if he doesn't prosecute cheeto?

How sadly transparent this trolling is becoming.

R112 The person building a strawman is accusing others of trolling.

R112, it is NOT trolling to want justice to prevail. If this admin. is not held accountable for the countless violations it has committed over years including LYING about a deadly pandemic, then why bother with any laws or hear about someone violating this statute or that one when they're never applied? There is no coming together with 73M cockroaches who thought a steaming pile of shit had any right to be president in the first place.

JOE BIDEN is going to let Dump off the hook? Are you on cat tranquilizers? He would strangle him with his own hands if he could.

Dump is going to get fisted by the long arm of the SDNY, and the DOJ, so the troll factory rejects should just move on to their next thread. You’ve lost this one. No bonus beets for you!

I call for Justice!

I dream of rows of guillotines lined up in a public square in Washington DC. and Trump and most of his cronies all marched up for the chop.

I'd only be ok with letting the States handle Trump IF the Feds still went after his Republican enablers. I don't want people like Graham and McConnell to be let off the hook.

If we could make a small suggestion to the incoming Biden Administration, perhaps start with releasing Dump's tax returns (the $750 Dump paid in federal tax) and then release the unredacted Meuller Report and then detail all the crap Bill Barr did to obstruct the truth. Maybe we can make a strong case as to the illegitimacy of the entire Dumpy administration. From there, we can link those Repuke Senate snakes and call for a special committee to hold public hearings. It would be splendid to catch the likes of Lady Lindz and McTurtle with their pants down (sorry for the visual).

R119's link is members only.

OMG !

r46 I don't think Joe is just being nice. I think he is letting them hang themselves. I think the longer they and Trump drag this out the worse it is going to be for them.

This thread often (not always) misses the fact that Biden is keeping himself out of any criminal or civil investigations and planning to let his DOJ do what it must do.

He's not going to sully the Presidency with anything that seems vindictive to the mouth-breathers of America. But he will let justice be done.

Of course Biden is no Macron.

"Look. You have about 73,000,000+ who voted for Donald Trump."

"Look. You have about 47,000,000+ who voted for Richard Nixon."

There, fixed it for you stupid.

Biden approaches 80 million votes in historic victory

Biden isn’t a one-man sideshow like our current criminal in chief. Let the justice department follow through with their job. .

Hope Biden doesn't waste his mandate like Obama did.

The reason Trump want to run again is because he thinks he can stall the investigation.

Is a pardoned felon eligible for political office?

If Don the Con pardons himself or by pence in the manner Nixon was pardoned, it means he's absolved of all crimes he has committed and free to commit any crime in the future.

What happens if someone like Flynn commits another crime now?

Biden said that he will let the Justice Department (minus William Barr of course, he should be kick out come January..) deal with Trump's crimes. He doesn't want to go after Trump himself. That is not what a U.S. President does. (That happens in dictatorship governments and banana countries.. ) Of course Trump wanted William Barr to go after Hillary Clinton, Biden and Obama. Such a sick, corrupted old man trump.

Last Sunday's NYT magazine featured a really good breakdown of various potential criminal and other investigations DT and perhaps members of his family may face after he leaves office.

While the prospect maybe distasteful to Biden, never the less he likely will be forced into some sort of action as potential crimes are federal and thus cannot be handled by states.

In case some of you are forgetting DT has done all sorts of things POTUS have never done before, and while some of it may be in grey territory, there are some acts either already deemed illegal, and or likely will be so upon investigation and prosecution. In any event Donald Trump's presidency cannot be allowed to stand as precedence on how future leaders of world's greatest superpower conduct themselves and affairs.

In short if DT is not held to account and is given carte blanche what happens when the next time another POTUS pull same stunts. With DT possibly seriously considering running again in 2024 this is not just a rhetorical question.

Richard Nixon got caught with his hands in cookie jar and suffered the consequences. Biden would have the power to reprieve or pardon any criminal convictions (as Gerald Ford did for Richard Nixon), but the process must be commenced and followed through to whatever conclusion is reached.

Donald Trump's whole life is that of a thug and bully. He does things that are clearly wrong then dares anyone to take him down/call him out. So in end he gets off either totally free or very lightly dealt with, which only emboldens him to continue because he "wins" again.

I think so too r132. Pardon assumes there's been a crime. To have such a person running for president seems unthinkable. Would a felon or potential felon be allowed to vote?

They should also go after Trump's Republican enablers in the Senate. Including Miss Lindsey, Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.. Unless those two Senate seats from Georgia all filled by the two running democrats: Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock on the January 5th runoff, the Senate will be kept Republican with obstructionist Mitch McConnell in charge and they won't let Biden work for the country. They will say no to everything and will block Biden's ideas and proposals to better the lives of Americans. With the senate being all Republican we will be kept in stagnation and no progress for more years to come. What is mind-boggling is why the people in all the red States keep voting for the same Republican Senators not realizing that when they vote for these old conservative right wing men they are voting against their own self interest. Most of these Republicans are not going to do anything for all these working class people from Kentucky, Texas, Oklahoma etc. who are suffering in poverty. It is puzzling. The lines are miles long in Texas just to get a box with food for their families while the wealthy Republicans left yet for another vacation (Thanksgiving break) to enjoy with their rich friends joyful turkey dinners at their nice luxury homes while the poor faces eviction, lack of food and basic necessities to live; So sad and so shameful!

[Quote] They should also go after Trump's Republican enablers in the Senate.

They must explain themselves on their actions of national importance. Elected officials must be made to uphold their oath of office.

There's been no enforcement and that itself must be held to task.

This is confusing. Don't you need to be formally charged with an offense BEFORE being pardoned? Yes, Flynn was charged and he admitted guilt. But Dump had never been charged so I can't see how he can be pardoned forever into the future. That fat fuck thinks he can shoot someone and get away with it!

As for Biden, he's the epitome of Democratic weakness. 'Can't we all get along?' That sorta thing. NO FUCKING WAY, BRO! You want to know why? These asshole Pigs have being pulling this crap for the past 40 years. Go back to Dubya and you'll find out exactly why we are screwed six ways and over. Think about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Think about the Supreme Court decisions led by Chief John Roberts that passed Citizens United. We are still suffering through Republican policies today. We must get them out of the way somehow. The entire GOP and all Repugs are a national security risk. All of them. Our only hope is that they die off due to Covid.

Biden and Harris must also defend their actions if they choose not to prosecute a crime. In constitutional and judicial terms, not political.

If they let Trump get away with his crimes they would be giving themselves permission to commit the same.

They have to explain to the public who voted them in.

i fear biden has no guts, to do the dirty work of seein the trumps land in jail....bummer

when he speaks he sounds frail, wonder how long he last.

R138 Not so much that he has no guts or is frail but that he's cut from the same cloth as our dearly familiar GOP-lite cloth. That worries me more.

He prob fears hell from the 35% 0f the population tht loves trump, theyr nuts and he waants their support i guess, nontheless, i hope the ny attny gen goes after the trumps with aggression !

Wouldn't the Biden Justice Dept have to get rid of US Attys deemed loyal to Trump to actually see action?

It took nerves of steel to do that first debate and not haul off and hit the freak. He did a LOT of behind the scenes work during the Obama administration that proves he likes to get out and do the business of politics from the front of the house and the back. I think he has a plan, much like the poster upthread mentioned appointments of honest IGs, to reveal and deal with the corruption and grift they so clearly needed time to hide.

Much of what will be done will be directed at the family and their business dealings while in power. The most interesting thing to watch for is how powerful they become in the RNC. I cannot imagine they want the shrieking muppet and diaper don as their leadership, but that will be where it shows up first....and when it does, those cases at state level may be in some jeapardy.

Biden can easily avoid getting his hands dirty in this and has both the will and the balls to do it. Never let the public persona lead you on. The most polite are the most brutal.