Is covid being overhyped?

Donald, is that You?

Is stupidity underestimated?

If it continues to rise at the current rate, the US could be looking at over 1 million deaths. And that assumes only 2% of reported cases die from it which is below the current average. People don’t want to acknowledge it’s brutality - which is natural human instinct. - until they know someone who dies from it. Believe me, you would rather not learn that the hard way - as I did when 2 friends under 52 died from it this summer.

Be kind to yourself and others - take it seriously. When you or a loved one is dying on a ventilator, it’s too late to regret.

We wouldn't have threads like this if this virus was affecting white communities in the same it was affecting minority communities. These same people didn't give a fuck about AIDS in the 80s.

Clearly you either can’t do math or you are a soulless idiot.

There are just under 330,000,000 Americans. If 1% of them die from COVID, that’s 3.3 million dead Americans. Half the Holocaust.

And that’s using your numbers. Using the real death rate of 3%, we have almost 10 million Americans dead under your “just let it rage” scenario.

Even if fewer are dying from it now (thanks to what we’ve learned since March)they are still taking up beds in hospitals at a growing rate, with some places getting 20 new patients per day. Better hope you don’t need a hospital bed for a heart attack or appendicitis, or that your doctor, nurses and other personnel are all out sick with Covid.

[quote] Why not just demand that people who are at the most risk quarantine and let everyone else get on with their lives?

What about the millions of active cases right now? When everyone "gets on with their lives" do all those cases just go poof and disappear? No. If everything opened up and people quit wearing masks then those millions of cases would turn into tens of millions of cases and those low mortality rates would rise as the hospitals would be maxed out and not able to treat the people who became really sick.

There are a bunch of long-term effects also, Einstein.

OP Put the damn mask on!

OP, how about you ask the families of over 1 million people who have died from COVID globally? Invite your over for Thanksgiving and sit in one of the empty chairs that are weren't empty last year and ask them that. I dare you.

*yourself

Gosh OP.

What about the tens of millions of people who are “somewhat” at risk (like senior military leaders, emergency workers, teachers and other people over 45 years of age)?

Should they quarantine forever, or just die?

The nervous nellies can quarantine in fear and the rest of should be allowed to get on with our lives.

Is WWII being overhyped?

If the majority of people don’t die from it then why is everyone going nuts. 89% don’t serve. 1/3 of 1% fatality. Why not just demand that people who are drafted go off and fight and let everyone else get on with their lives?

Are you nuts OP?

- doctors, nurses, health care personnel

I vacillate between the two schools of thought. Yes to every life matters and let’s shut it all down versus let’s reopen and whoever lives lives.

I know, i know.

You are the problem, OP. You’re probably a super spreader.

There are some real pieces of shit on this thread. OP being the biggest.

Extremely.

Fuck off OP. Take your anti-science propaganda and shove it.

Its Its obviously a troll.

R16, “reopening” will eventually fail. People will eventually learn how dangerous this disease is, and they’ll stop going out to all these businesses-that “reopened”.

Wash your hands. Wear a mask. Maintain social distance.

[quote]80% are asymptomatic.

Even if true, this would not be a point supporting your argument, dear.

Only if you think a premature death is overhyped.

[quote] If it continues to rise at the current rate, the US could be looking at over 1 million deaths.

The US population is 328.2 million.

1 million deaths isn’t anything to go nuts over.

[quote] Even if true, this would not be a point supporting your argument, dear.

Sure it would. We gets colds. We don’t die. Big deal.

R14 is a moron. War is not the same as illness that is rare to die from. WWII = being blown off the planet

[quote] What about the tens of millions of people who are “somewhat” at risk (like senior military leaders, emergency workers, teachers and other people over 45 years of age)?

If you have disease that will put you at risk stay home. Let the younger generation take over while old farts stay in doors. Problem solved.

[quote] There are just under 330,000,000 Americans. If 1% of them die from COVID, that’s 3.3 million dead Americans. Half the Holocaust.

Now we’re using the Holocaust. The Holocaust wasn’t bad simply because people died. People were tortured and their families purposely wiped out based on hate. Sit your stupid ass down, moron.

Stfu troll. R29.

Just think of all the children and grandchildren who'll be receiving their inheritances earlier than expected.

Merry Christmas!

"The nervous nellies can quarantine in fear and the rest of should be allowed to get on with our lives."

Oh, honey, trust, I would love for you to be culled from the herd.

Okay OP, how about you sign a waiver that gives up any right to medical treatment if you get COVID. How about all of you go-about-our-lives types do that?

How many covidiots like OP will die young due to shortened life expectancy? Will be interesting to see who is still with us in 20-30 years and what their health is like.

It's also the fact that some lives COULD be saved it medical professionals didn't have to make choices as to who could receive treatment. We seem to have forgotten that we were supposed to "flatten the curve" in an effort to spread out infection rates, thus allowing the medical system to keep up. I live in Canada, where out healthcare system is, at the best of times, overwhelmed with a shortage of beds and staff. Throw in Covid, and you risk running out of capacity very quickly, leading to people not being able to receive treatment for other illnesses. There's a whole domino effect you're not considering, OP, in addition to what Covid on its own is doing.

R13 R26 OP Jesus, where's your compassion? As of this writing, the U.S. has recorded 11,205, 485 cases of the novel coronavirus. And 247,220 deaths. Even if we could start seeing a reduction in cases, as of this moment, you have to figure during that downward trend, we would still see an additional 250,000 or so deaths. That allegedly rosy scenario is, however, unlikely. The death toll is almost guaranteed to be far larger.

I keep hearing that the virus is nothing to get worked up about. I imagine this is the same sentiment being heard almost hourly by an ICU nurse in South Dakota who reported this past weekend that her most seriously ill COVID-19 patients are deniers to the bitter end. She said they cannot fathom how deadly the virus is because they believe deep down that it's nothing but a hoax. The refrain: why can't I have family members visit because COVID isn't any worse than the common flu? She said, even as they slowly succumb to its worst symptoms, they are adamant that they will somehow miraculously recover. She reported they stop the protestations once they are intubated, or are being fitted with a body bag.

Listen, the virus doesn't care what your politics are. It doesn't care about your ethnicity or your financial portfolio. It goes wherever it goes. And more to the point, asymptomatic people don't always get off scot-free. Researchers who have scanned the hearts and lungs of people who tested positive for COVID-19, but never felt ill, have seen telltale signs of distress. In the lungs, scientists have reported cloudy white areas called “ground glass opacities” in asymptomatic patients. Ground glass opacities are also seen patients with more severe COVID-19.

Nothing to go nuts over? Really? We are in the midst of a pandemic the likes of which the world hasn't seen in 100 years. And there's still much for researchers to learn. And even when we have an effective vaccine ready to roll out across the country and, in time, the world, scientists aren't sure that any one of several vaccines being developed will provide lifetime protection.

So you asshats who continue to dismiss the virus as a mere inconvenience are likely to come up short in the morbidity game. And, frankly, I won't shed any tears if you catch it and die, or the virus kills someone you love. Will you be able to stand over that person's grave and say to yourself, "no big deal"?

The people who keep saying "It's only a 1% fatality rate" know why that's a bad thing. They've been told so many times they HAVE to know why it's bad. They choose not to believe the truth. No use arguing with them because they're either terminally stupid or trolling.

Remember the Republicans politicized this pandemic, mask wearing, and shut downs. You're asking a bunch of reptilian-brained trolls where their humanity is - hint, they never had it in the first place. These people are absolute cretins. I wish the virus were more selective and just took out the covidiots but no, your elderly parents could die because some Parler loving OANN viewer thinks your feelings are gay and commie.

Troll thread, I feel foolish for responding earlier @R7. This person/OP seeks attention and pity for being a nonfactor/subhuman who doesn't understand what's happening, Their IQ rivals a houseplant on their best days and they were just trying to get a chat going anyway they knew how,

Cheers, OP.

Don't let people make fun of you for wearing a helmet; it's none of their business.

[quote] 1 million deaths isn’t anything to go nuts over.

This is the core of their evil. The just don’t care how many people die.

Repugs are diseased in both mind and body.

Repugs are the party of death

Just hope that covid isn’t spread by shit, because you’re full of it, OP

Are these the same people who claimed Obama was gong to create death panels ?

If you ever have to wonder if Donald Trump is the worst president in the history presidents and that Jared Kushner is a garbage person, just look at how they politicized a pandemic and how people fell for it.

I wear a mask, even though I hate it, because, mainly, it's the right thing to do, but also because no one (young or old -- compromised or not) knows how their body is going to react to this thing. One person can walk around with it and be asymptomatic while another is on a ventilator. And we are talking young, healthy people on ventilators, not just the usual suspects.

It's not overhyped, because there are so many freaking unknowns. And then there is the possible long term effects of this thing.

[quote] 1 million deaths isn’t anything to go nuts over.

Just as long as yours is one of them!

[quote] 1 million deaths isn’t anything to go nuts over.

Just as long as yours is one of them!

It seems overhyped. It has to be overhyped because people are complacent. The hospitals risk being overwhelmed. Of course we could use school s etc for the overflow. Basically, we are closing bars early etc to give a few 85 yr olds a few extra months of life. Trump was the only politician not to panic saving world economy from collapse

The holocaust didn't kill more than 3 million. Hundreds of millions of whites died in ww2.

r6, yeah, a friend's mother was just diagnosed with raging cancer and is compelled to receive in hospital care right now, while covid rages all about, he's petrified for her welfare. this is why the WHO is considering COVID world shalt crisis in the US

[quote]1 million deaths isn’t anything to go nuts over.

Tell that to the annual 9/11 memorials. Where only 2977 people died.

Or the annual WW2 memorials where 405,000 Americans died.

Or the Civil War where 620,000 Americans died.

R51 covid is killing people who would have died of the flu. Millions die of old age. Too many people with weak immune systems need to be culled

Yeah right, R52. Where I live, covid cases and deaths are spiking. More people have died in one week of covid than have died the entire previous year of regular flu.

And sometimes relatively young people die, eg a 38 year old with no apparent health problems.

The problem is we can't predict with any certainty exactly who will die.

Use the media to terrify the masses, keep 'em stupid, docile and compliant.

Um, making people just wear a mask makes them docile and compliant?

R56 Don't pretend to be stupid. Locking 10s of millions of people under government-mandated house arrest with nary a question or protest because they've been inundated with frightening statistics, pronouncements and images makes them stupid, docile and compliant.

Block the trolls and move on. Stop responding to them. They are trolls.

Anyone who doesn't repeat verbatim what I think/believe = [bold]T R O L L ! ! ![/bold]

R53 that's not likely. Covid-19 is worse than the flu, but not by much. People are wearing masks now but people still shop and travel and eat out. This is far from being serious. Remember that trump survived this. He risked his life to prove that covid-19 is fake news.

People still travel? I'm pretty sure the travel industry has been decimated by covid. The Canada U.S. border is shut to non-essential travel.

Governments try to allow businesses to stay open as much as possible because they're worried about the fallout on the economy but when health care systems are about to be overwhelmed, they implement lockdowns.

Herman Cain died of covid to show that it's fake news.

How severe your symptoms are also depends on how much virus you're exposed to. President Donald Incompetent Trump probably wasn't exposed to much and he had access to much better health care than many Americans.

When will this diseased parasite die already?

The flu and car accident s kill thousands. I still drive. I even take frivolous car trips and daydream the entire time. Never seen a gruesome accident. Old people die. It's usually the flu that kill them. This year covid-19 kills them. Lazy hospital workers are terrified of work.

Op knew exactly what he was doing when he started this thread.

Of course it's being overhyped. Anything to destroy trump's economy. It's the darn flu, idiots. Thousands are always dying. People die from eating peanut butter.

[quote] Locking 10s of millions of people under government-mandated house arrest with nary a question or protest because they've been inundated with frightening statistics, pronouncements and images makes them stupid, docile and compliant.

Who's mandating that? Oh, no one.

[quote] The flu and car accident s kill thousands. I still drive. I even take frivolous car trips and daydream the entire time. Never seen a gruesome accident. Old people die. It's usually the flu that kill them. This year covid-19 kills them. Lazy hospital workers are terrified of work.

The flu has a vaccine and cars have many protections,

The only thing we have now for Covid is masks and people are still fighting them.

Sure old people die. So do people your age. You willing to sacrifice yourself for the sake of the economy?

Didn't think so

California couple have a wedding in Maine in August. The seven people who died as a result weren't even at the reception.

[quote] Lazy hospital workers are terrified of work.

R58 is right.

R68 they were not at the reception because they were waiting to die in a retirement home. You can say this about the flu.

[quote] R68: the wedding was in the Big Moose Inn in Millinocket, Maine....

The Big Moose Inn is [italic] not [/italic] affiliated with the Christmas Moose.

Most civilians are very complacent about covid-19. People are still smoking. You have to overhype.

[quote]Who's mandating that?

R66 City/State governments mandate when and distance people are allowed out of their houses, when/what businesses/schools are allowed to be open, social distancing, wearing of masks, etc.

[quote]Is covid being overhyped?

Covid would like you to think so.

[quote]R68 they were not at the reception because they were waiting to die in a retirement home. You can say this about the flu.

You're right, R70. Covid is a hoax. I think you should go out of you're way to catch it, especially if you're over 65, overweight, diabetic, a heavy smoker, etc

I’ve had walking pneumonia since March, so I have had some occasion to visit three different doctors and three hospitals. The professionals who work at these facilities should be the best informed, I should think. They all take extraordinary precautions: 6’ social distancing, masks, and hand sanitizer in every interaction. So, I take my guidance from the CDC and also from the professionals who should be the “subject matter experts”.

R76 they take those precautions for the flu too

Flu deaths per 100,000--3.4. COVID deaths per 100,000 in the US--75.56. COVID's also more contagious than the flu and has long-term side effects that the flu doesn't have. No vaccine, either.

I know you're a troll, OP, but why don't you shut up now?

R78 you pulled those numbers out of your ass. We also don't know the long-term effects since covid-19 is not even 12 months old. Also all deaths are blamed on covid-19 . It's much more dangerous to drive

No, R79, I pulled them from the CDC and Johns Hopkin. And scarred lung tissue doesn't unscar. Lots of COVID side effects are like that. But more indications that you're nothing but a troll. Because a quick Google search would have led to those numbers.

So, why are you trolling about this?

Millennials are terrified of aging and death. So they have made Covid into AIDS1981 + the Bubonic Plague.

Blocking covid deniers and downplayers is as easy as one two three.

[quote]It's also the fact that some lives COULD be saved it medical professionals didn't have to make choices as to who could receive treatment. We seem to have forgotten that we were supposed to "flatten the curve" in an effort to spread out infection rates, thus allowing the medical system to keep up.

Too bad, deplorables needed haircuts, douchebros needed their gyms and bars reopened, and it's just not the holidays without hugs and kisses from every sibling and cousin who traveled three states away just for this 6 hour visit confined to 2-3 rooms with 18 other people. What are you some kind of fag commie with "empathy?" MAN UP!

[quote]Also all deaths are blamed on covid-19

I see you rely on your Great Aunt Mildred's Facebook posts for news.

I know people who have died in car accidents but I don't know anyone dying from corona virus. If covid was bad police would arrest people for not wearing masks. Kids would not be going to school.

I don't know anyone who's died in a car accident, but that doesn't mean I don't think fatal car accidents exist.

But since you're interested in car accidents--there are, around 38,000 (rounding up) fatalites as a result of car accidents in the U.S. annually. The rates used to be higher, but mandatory seatbelt laws, sterner drunken driving laws and improved safety standards for automobiles have dropped the numbers considerably from 40 years ago.

In other words, we take car accident fatalities seriously enough to try and stop them and have had some success in the area.

Meanwhile, in less than a year, there have been 255,000 deaths from COVID-19.

If you can fasten your seatbelt, you can put on your mask.

Someone explain to me why they are closing gyms but allowing church, religious services, salons and the mall to stay open?

Friday at midnight we are going into lockdown again - closing bars, restaurants, entertainment venues, theaters, obviously. Fine. But the gym and not church?

Bar patrons are drunk and forget to social distance And stay up all night. Church folks are sober and attend for brief time. Most church goers are good straight people who are not going to hell. Gays don't get into heaven so there is sour grapes.

They are blaming all deaths on covid-19. Where are all the flu deaths? Millions die of old age yearly. Trump saved the world economy.

R89, there are deaths directly attributed to COVID. Then, there are deaths of people with other underlying health issues, like diabetes, who would normally survive, but both diabetes and COVID collide to kill that person. Then there are people with heart attacks or other serious emergencies who can’t get the medical treatment they need because there are no ICU available. All of those deaths are properly classified as COVID related.

As for Trump “saving the world economy”, that’s just nuts. We’re on a terrible trajectory. Eventually, people will withdraw from socializing and spending, when the disease becomes even more prevalent. The unemployment rate is high, and will get worse, we’re just at the beginning of this.

R90 I have a degree in economics. Apologize for what you said about trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The "blame the victim" mentality of saying that anyone with any preexisting condition who dies after getting Covid should not count as "dying FROM Covid" is just breathtaking in its inherent Naziism. Anyone deigned too weak or defective is unworthy of living, and Covid is just the agent to cull them from the stock. They're not worth even counting. It's the same towards the elderly; "they would've died anyway!" for anyone over 65 who dies of Covid. It's disgusting in its complete disregard for human life and dignity.

If we knew exactly who would get it and get severely sick, we could try to isolate them. Unfortunately, there are just too many cases of healthy people dying from Covid.

It's seemingly random patterns is what keeps us worried about it.

OP, you have to be willfully ignorant to write any of that post at this point in time. Or a troll.

Perhaps you're both.

You are not immune.

R5 - I also don't agree with the "let it rage" lunacy at all. Just way too inhuman and callous and far too many casualties. On the other hand, I want them to spend as much time and effort on finding some measures and methods to prevent the spread and up the resistance to the virus as I do on the lockdowns. There simply has to be some way, some thing that can help besides waiting for the vaccine (which many sadly may not take).

And I do understand that even getting people to all comply will be a challenge.

prevent the spread = masks, hand washing, social distance

This has been known for 100 years

Do those three, no need for lockdowns. This is not hard.

R97 - needs to be more....face shields, even saw some folks with a globe around their head.

[quote]Do those three, no need for lockdowns. This is not hard.

It clearly is hard, a lot more difficult than your simplistic analysis.

STAY HOME.

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Antibodies provide 99%+ immunity for at least 6 months. The wildly overstated cases for and and against infection are destroying any faith or belief in facts. A science denying President combined with media terror-inducing drama results in an absence of any grounded, rational, logical response or discussion.

R99 - until more preventive measures than the mask and washing exist, it is, sadly, safest at home.

It's a fair question but most people in my area just started to wear masks so I can't say it was overhyped. It overtaxes the hospitals apparently. Old people are going to die though. Right now covid is being blamed for old age.

No one will be able to provide a link detailing how much immunity you "get"---or for how long--after you've been infected with COVID-19.

It is a new coronavirus, and these things are not known.

R103. No, it's not just a bunch of people dying of COVID who were going to die anyway. A study from the University of Glasgow shows an average loss of 10 years of life for patients who died of COVID. That's not including the reduced life expectancy for COVID patients who survived, but ended up with chronic conditions--i.e. the 20-year-old who needed a double-lung transplant.

It's not the deadliest disease out there, but it spreads like the common cold and is deadlier than the flu--that's what makes it such a bad combination.

About 260k of the 310k deaths from COVID are over age 65. Most are 75 and above.

So it's okay they died, right R106? No big deal, right? No one needs to live past 65. Those lives aren't even really "lives," amirite?

R106 is just trying to preserve Social Security for those over age 66

Covid is every loser with no friends dream. Make everyone else stay home like them, shut down all fun activities and then some. I bet the many of the goons spewing out shut down orders fit the profile.

Of course covid is being overblown. An American isn't dying of covid every 30 seconds. The media just made that up because they want attention.

You're right, R109. When hospitals are full to capacity, all businesses should stay open and people should continue their normal activities. Survival of the fittest.

A cleaner who worked in a seniors' home in London, Ontario, Canada died yesterday. He was 19 years old. Covid is being really overhyped. Nothing to worry about.

Every newscast in this country begins with the latest COVID-19 infection and death numbers.

It's like watching the Jerry Lewis Telethon.

If troll 5828 is authenticated and ALWAYS graylined, how does it keep posting?

It's also crazy, but you knew that.

While R109 is understandable that yes, in a sense many of us have become "losers" with no friends and shut ins because of COVID-19, what can we do? Start becoming super-spreaders like the MAGA crowd? No, we need to mask up and limit our interactions because it saves lives. I am depressed and feel shitty daily but I fight it with everything I've got and hey, if I am saving lives, I am anything but a loser.

R109 is another anti-shutdown troll, as anyone can plainly see. Stop giving it attention.

WandaVision is also overhyped. Face it, it’s fucking awful.

It's inaccurately hyped. If you are young and healthy, your chances of not getting sick remain high. If you're old and get, it's very dangerous. That hasn't changed.

But R117, do you not understand that young and healthy people can still spread it around and become deadly vectors? There are also plenty of people under 50 without underlying conditions getting sick and not fully recovering, even months later. It's way too simplistic to simply say "Only old people get it."

Er, no OP.

R117 As though "death" were the only threat. Increasing amount of data showing that there are serious long-term effects of getting the virus, even if the initial illness isn't life-threatening.

I had two friends die of COVID this month... both in LA. So , there's that.