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What is your favorite Film Noir film?

Mine is Diabolique with Simone Signoret.

by Anonymousreply 128Last Wednesday at 10:58 AM

Do you live on Noir Alley, OP?

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by Anonymousreply 111/15/2020

I've watched many film noirs, but most blur together.

I really enjoyed Dark Passage and Sorry, Wrong Number.

by Anonymousreply 211/15/2020

Kiss Me Deadly--there is no other Noir like it.

by Anonymousreply 311/15/2020

I love noir, there are half a dozen favorites I could name, but I'll go with The Killers (1946).

by Anonymousreply 411/16/2020

[quote] Diabolique

Did Simone sit on her vctims?

by Anonymousreply 511/16/2020

Mildred Pierce IMO. It's the only noir that I watch semiregularly and never tire of.

by Anonymousreply 611/16/2020

Diabolique is a great film. But it is not film noir.

First it was not a Hollywood film

Second it does not have the visual style of Noir

Third it does not have a Noir-style plot.

Not every b&w crime drama is noir.

by Anonymousreply 711/16/2020

Diabolique may be good story-telling but it's "visual style" looked tacky.

Simone looked wonderfully butch but the director's wife was simperingly tedious.

by Anonymousreply 811/16/2020

Yeah, R7, Diabolique always seemed like a suspense thriller in the vein of Hitchcock.

by Anonymousreply 911/16/2020

Wiki says

[quote] Clouzot, after finishing The Wages of Fear, optioned the screenplay rights, preventing Alfred Hitchcock from making the film.[4] This movie helped inspire Hitchcock's Psycho.[5] Robert Bloch, the author of the novel Psycho, stated in an interview that his all-time favorite horror film was Les Diaboliques.[6]

by Anonymousreply 1011/16/2020

Clouzot's film Panique is much closer to being Noir. But it still is not Noir.

by Anonymousreply 1111/16/2020

DETOUR (Ulmer, 45). In the Criterion Collection, beautifully restored.

Maybe the one that's most archetypal. All in 68 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 1211/16/2020

Is Noir Alley near Nightmare Alley?

by Anonymousreply 1311/16/2020

"Double Indemnity" & "Strangers On A Train" are both very good. "Witness To The Prosecution" is not totally noir, but has noir elements, and is also excellent.

by Anonymousreply 1411/16/2020

I guess I don't have a favorite. I like a lot of them.

by Anonymousreply 1511/16/2020

I have a number of them: In a Lonely Place, They Live By Night, The Postman Always Rings Twice, The Seventh Victim, Kiss Me Deadly. I love Diabolique too, though I don't know if I'd consider it a proper noir.

by Anonymousreply 1611/16/2020

Caged

by Anonymousreply 1711/16/2020

Body Heat

by Anonymousreply 1811/16/2020

Out of the Past, The Maltese Falcon, In a Lonely Place, Laura.

by Anonymousreply 1911/16/2020

R11 Panique was directed by Julien Duvivier.

by Anonymousreply 2011/16/2020

Another vote for Double Indemnity.

by Anonymousreply 2111/16/2020

Double Indemnity for the win; Body Heat second.

by Anonymousreply 2211/16/2020

[quote]Film Noir film

Attention: Department of Redundancy Department!

by Anonymousreply 2311/16/2020

Um, what's with you bitches? Of course, it's MILDRED PIERCE!

by Anonymousreply 2411/16/2020

Yes R3 Kiss Me Deadly is superb. The opening lines, snarled: “You almost wrecked my car. Well... get in”.

My all time fave is Out Of The Past with Robert Mitchum and Kirk Douglas. If you blink you miss the dialogue.

Then again I recently saw The Killing, Stanley Kubrick’s first film and it blew me away, so now it’s up there too. I became fascinated by Sterling Hayden after seeing that and The Long Goodbye, made 17 years later (Altman - not noir). Not many actors like a Mitchum or Hayden these days, maybe Javier Bardem could pull it off.

by Anonymousreply 2511/16/2020

The Maltese Falcon

Not really film noir, but close: Chinatown

by Anonymousreply 2611/16/2020

It's a great genre and I can't pick just one favorite. But I'll throw out The Big Sleep. Not as good or as dark as the book but very entertaining.

This is reminding me that there are classics I haven't seen yet, like The Killers. Guess I know what I'll be watching in the near future.

by Anonymousreply 2711/16/2020

The Maltese Falcon

by Anonymousreply 2811/18/2020

Love Mildred Pierce and In a Lonely Place with Bogart and Gloria Grahame.

by Anonymousreply 2911/18/2020

Sunset Boulevard.

by Anonymousreply 3011/18/2020

So many good ones mentioned already. I also love Pickup on South Street.

by Anonymousreply 3111/18/2020

Leave Her to Heaven, with Gene Tierney's chilling performance as evil incarnate.

It's also a rare film noir that is in Technicolor.

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by Anonymousreply 3211/18/2020

I love almost everything nominated so far, but my favorite is "The Narrow Margin" with Marie Windsor. Also a huge fan of "Road House" with the great Ida Lupino.

by Anonymousreply 3311/18/2020

This film noir was charming and —unlike most of the films mentioned thus far— doesn't involve thuggish people.

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by Anonymousreply 3411/18/2020

"Laura", and "Mildred Pierce", which are both rather semi-noir.

by Anonymousreply 3511/18/2020

Bicycle Thieves (1948)

by Anonymousreply 3611/18/2020

[R36] 'The Bicycle Thief' is an Italian neorealist film, not film noir.

You twit.

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by Anonymousreply 3711/18/2020

A film can be both neorealist and noir.

by Anonymousreply 3811/18/2020

R34, I love "Kind Hearts And Coronets" too. Valerie Hobson appeared in it as the "hero's" true love -- does everyone here know that she was John Profumo's wife, who stuck with him throughout the scandal until her death?

by Anonymousreply 3911/18/2020

[quote] -- does everyone here know…

Yes, we do know. But we choose to judge Valerie on her wonderful career where she brought style, glamour and aristocratic beauty. She starred opposite the great men of British cinema such as Robert Donat, Olivier, Redgrave, Guinness, Stewart Granger, and Conrad Veidt. And she made publicity appearances with Gregory Peck and Montgomery Clift. She premiered 'The King and I' in London. She spent her latter years avoiding the muckrakers.

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by Anonymousreply 4011/18/2020

Sweet Smell of Success

Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang

by Anonymousreply 4111/18/2020

Speaking of Simone Signoret, loved her in “Ship of Fools”.

by Anonymousreply 4211/18/2020

The title of this thread -- "What is your favorite Film Noir film?" -- reminds me of all the TV news people who refer to "Attorney Generals". Not a perfect analogy because the former is redundant and the latter is a misplaced modifier, but both are clunky and awkward and wrong. Poor English language, so rich and beautiful but so readily misused.

by Anonymousreply 4311/18/2020

R43 I blame ourselves for pretentiously using French words instead of our own perfectly adequate words

by Anonymousreply 4411/18/2020

"Film noir" is one of those terms that everyone thinks they understand, whether or not they actually do. (Kind Hearts and Coronets, really?)

by Anonymousreply 4511/18/2020

In A Lonely Place is fantastic- the book it is based on is really good, a slightly different story.

Detour (Ulmer). The most evil woman in film. Trivia: the lead actor's son, Tom Neal Junior, remade the film, playing his father's part. It is as bad as the original is fantastic.

by Anonymousreply 4611/19/2020

Night of the Hunter.

It is a pity it is Charles Laughton's only film as director.

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by Anonymousreply 4711/19/2020

Criss Cross with Burt Lancaster at his hottest and Yvonne De Carlo. Nightfall with hunkster Aldo Ray. Of course there are then the more familiar classics: Out of the Past, Double Indemnity, The Big Sleep. Broadly speaking, the genre begins with The Maltese Falcon and ends with Touch of Evil.

by Anonymousreply 4811/19/2020

Adaptation from "Jacques le fataliste" by Diderot, with dialogue by Jean Cocteau, "les dames du bois de Boulogne" by Robert Bresson seems like a noir. If not that, I surely enjoy, over and over Nora inu/Stray Dog, Mildred Pierce, Sunset Boulevard, Vertigo (its a noir I think) and Baby Jane (though this is considered horror?).

by Anonymousreply 4911/19/2020

"Kiss Me Deadly," as R3 said.

It flips the genre over and carries it writhing to its logical conclusion. After "Kiss Me Deadly," noir became a retrospective genre and style, in which even contemporary staging and updated plotting left it a period piece. Films ended either with a shrug of "Chinatown" or the cheat "He's alive!" ending of "L.A. Confidential." Of course, it's possible noir was slipping out anyway in a postwar world, but the timing matches this great film.

Who would have though science fiction would alter noir's trajectory.

by Anonymousreply 5011/19/2020

A lot of classic films to pick from, but my vote would go for for Kiss Me Deadly.

From it's backwards opening credits to "THE END" - which literally IS the end once Pandora's Box is opened - it's a powerfully dark, foreboding, paranoid movie.

Favorite noir director: Fritz Lang

BTW, those of you who like books, you might want to check out Film Noir: The Encyclopedia.

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by Anonymousreply 5111/19/2020

Is this a good place to plug TCM's weekly feature "Noir Alley"? Every Saturday at midnight (EST) and rerun the following Sunday morning at 10 a.m. (EST). The introductions and epilogues by Eddie Muller are always worth watching even if you don't love every movie. For those who enjoy Facebook, it has a "Noir Alley" page with a lot of fan comments.

by Anonymousreply 5211/19/2020

I can't believe none of you whores mentioned The Third Man yet, without a doubt the best and most unique one of them all. I know some people stupidly consider only Hollywood productions to be real noirs but that one was co-produced by a Murican and starring two of them so I think it's fair to count it as one, even if you use that strict criteria.

by Anonymousreply 5311/19/2020

Niagara for the win, Wink.

by Anonymousreply 5411/19/2020

Kind Hearts and Coronets is noir?

Can I suggest Top Hat, Its Mad Mad Mad Mad World and La La Land as my favorite noirs then?

by Anonymousreply 5511/19/2020

r25 I came here to say The Killing -- I love it.

by Anonymousreply 5611/19/2020

[quote] … Its Mad Mad Mad Mad World…

Did that film contain murder?

by Anonymousreply 5711/19/2020

I will nominate Sudden Fear starring Miss Joan Crawford and Miss Gloria Grahame!

Also love: Mildred Pierce, Double Indemnity, In a Lonely Place, Pick Up on South Street, Out of the Past, Sunset Boulevard, Raw Deal, Night of the Hunter, Cape Fear, Born to Kill, Road House, Angel Face, Strangers on a Train, Dark Passage, Postman Always Rings Twice, A Place in the Sun, Wicked Woman, The Big Heat, and The Strange Loves of Martha Ivers.

by Anonymousreply 5811/19/2020

"Kind Hearts and Coronets" is a great example of the genre. May I nominate "My Friend Flicka"? Film noir at its steamiest!

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by Anonymousreply 5911/19/2020

This is my favorite genre, and it's impossible to choose a favorite. But here are two films not to overlook:

They Made Me a Fugitive (1947): Startlingly violent, especially by 'forties standards, with some tremendous set-pieces, including a shot-out in a funeral home. Has a fantastic villain, too.

The Burgler (1957): it stars my fav, Dan Duryea (with Jayne Mansfield, just before she became famous; she's restrained in this). Amazingly stylized, very Orson Wells-ish photography. Some guy named Paul Wendkos directed it, and I think that this is his only film.

by Anonymousreply 6011/19/2020

"Side Street" with Farley Granger has always been one of my favorites.

by Anonymousreply 6111/19/2020

R60 just mentioned my favorite movie shitheel, Dan Duryea, which reminds of Fritz Lang's remake of Renoir's "La Chienne", "Scarlet Street" starring Edward G. Robinson as a milquetoast Sunday painter and Joan Bennett- so cold and trashy.

by Anonymousreply 6211/20/2020

Kiss Me Deadly and Out Of The Past.

by Anonymousreply 6311/20/2020

Face it, bitches: the whole reason you like Double Indemnity so much is because in the end THEY GET AWAY WITH IT!!!!

by Anonymousreply 6411/20/2020

R64, that's some wild trolling. I almost respect that.

by Anonymousreply 6511/20/2020

The Honeymoon Killers

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by Anonymousreply 6611/20/2020

Divine looks pretty svelte in R66!

by Anonymousreply 6711/20/2020

R66 The Honeymoon Killers is great—truly fucking disturbing. Tony Lo Bianco was a hottie too, which is an added bonus (even though his character is despicable).

by Anonymousreply 6811/20/2020

I love Noir! Usually binge on the B movies Barbara Stanwyck made. Then there was Double Indemnity with Fred MacMurray. God Edward G. Robinson was great in that one. There was also a movie with Victor Mature & Richard Widmark. Widmark played this horrible psychopath, pushed a lady in a wheelchair down the stairs and had this ghoulish laugh. It was remade with David Caruso and Nic Cage, but I can't remember the name of it. And of course the modern homage to Noir, Bodyheat. Damn that's a good movie.

by Anonymousreply 6911/20/2020

I know this is heresy but by and large I am not a big fan of pre-60s films. Even the most hard boiled of these films I find rather quaint and corny.

So for me, noir means neo-noir. I think my favorite might be John Dahl’s The Last Seduction from 1994.

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by Anonymousreply 7011/20/2020

R69, the Widmark movie is Kiss of Death. It was his first film!

by Anonymousreply 7111/21/2020

For neo-noir I love Bound. So much to love about that movie, including Jennifer Tilly seducing Gina Gershon, which made me question my sexuality.

by Anonymousreply 7211/21/2020

Sounder

by Anonymousreply 7311/21/2020

Eddie Muller on TCM's "Noir Alley" has great style and stories and really has made me get into film noir. I don't like all the films, but a lot of them have been terrific. There was a good one with Gene Nelson a few months back where he was trying to go straight, but mobsters kept him and his wife hostage. Very good and not a typical Gene Nelson film. Also another one with a rather deranged Jean Simmons, I think called "Angel Face" with a socko ending.

by Anonymousreply 7411/21/2020

[quote]Tony Lo Bianco was a hottie too

yep

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by Anonymousreply 7511/21/2020

Double Indemnity - Stanwyck as a blond; MacMurray as a hottie. The dialogue makes me moist.

by Anonymousreply 7611/21/2020

Jean Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast (Le belle and la bête) 1946. It's dark and beautiful.

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by Anonymousreply 7711/21/2020

Games -- with Simone and a very young James Caan.

by Anonymousreply 7811/21/2020

Thanks. Yes, Kiss of Death. I had no idea that was Widmark's first movie role. He was just horrible...I mean he relished his villainy.

by Anonymousreply 7911/21/2020

R74 Yes, Angel Face with Jean Simmons. Mitchum was very sexy. They were an odd match.

by Anonymousreply 8011/21/2020

Neo-noir? Try [italic]Red Rock West[/italic]. J.T. Walsh again scores as the Man You Love to Hate. Good twists to the story, funny, but not so funny it ruins the mood.

by Anonymousreply 8111/21/2020

Richard Widmark did a very unusual thing in "Kiss of Death": he squinted his eyes while smiling broadly while sometimes laughing, which is a very unusual thing to do. It made him seemed even more off-kilter and sinister and deranged, especially before pushing an old lady in a wheelchair down stairs.

by Anonymousreply 8211/21/2020

Please. "The Maltese Falcon" owns this thread.

by Anonymousreply 8311/21/2020

Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast is many things, among them dark and beautiful.

But in no fucking universe is it "film noir".

by Anonymousreply 8411/21/2020

R74 - "Angel Face" was directed by Otto Preminger and also starred Robert Mitchum (whose career spanned several notable noirs, starting with "Out of the Past").

Preminger made Simmons' life hell on the set, treated her so badly that she was near to having a genuine breakdown. Finally, Mitchum took Preminger aside, shoved him against a wall, and told Preminger that if he didn't leave Simmons alone, Mitchum would beat the shit out of him.

Preminger then left Simmons alone for the rest of filming.

Mind, Mitchum was still a B leading man, and Preminger was an A list powerful director. Mitchum was one of those blokes who just didn't give a shit.

I think "Cape Fear" (the original, of course, not the bloated remake) fits into the film noir category and in it Mitchum created one of his finest rolse, that of the sociopath perp, Max Cady.

Bernard Herrmann wrote the uber noir score, with those ominous opening minor key phrases . . .

Below is a link to an article by Elmer Bernstein, himself no mean composer of film scores, on Herrmann's score for "Cape Fear"

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by Anonymousreply 8511/21/2020

^*roles

by Anonymousreply 8611/21/2020

[quote] Neo-noir? Try Red Rock West.

Love that one too, neck and neck with Dahl’s other film, The Last Seduction, which I mentioned above.

Not crazy about all of his films, but some of my favorite movies are John Dahl pictures. I enjoyed Joy Ride too.

by Anonymousreply 8711/21/2020

R64 - What the fuck are you talking about?!

They don't get away with it in "Double Indemnity" - she ends up dead and Walter Neff is bleeding out in the office after recording his confession, waiting for the police ambulance to come, called by his boss, Edward G. Robinson, who figured it out, anyway. Neff is going to the chair once the doctors get him well enough to walk to it . . .

by Anonymousreply 8811/21/2020

[quote] Preminger made Simmons' life hell on the set Preminger was a thick-headed brutish animal incapable of subtlety

by Anonymousreply 8911/21/2020

Robert Ryan featured in several: Crossfire, On Dangerous Ground, Clash by Night, Odds Against Tomorrow.

Ryan - the thinking man's heartthrob.

by Anonymousreply 9011/21/2020

[quote] Ryan - the thinking man's heartthrob.

Well, I wouldn't allow the brutish, brusque Robert Ryan near MY heart!

by Anonymousreply 9111/21/2020

R89 - "Preminger was a thick-headed brutish animal incapable of subtlety"

Which is why Mitchum's "approach" was so perfect.

by Anonymousreply 9211/21/2020

R91 - Ryan was a leftwing liberal, married to a Quaker, active in anti-racist and free-speech causes during the 1950s and 1960s. He was educated at Dartmouth - where he held the heavyweight boxing title all four years there.

Don't believe everything you see in films - they're mostly made up by scriptwriters, you know. It's called "acting".

by Anonymousreply 9311/21/2020

Yes, many of us know Valerie Hobson was John Profumo's wife and that she stuck with him through and after the Keeler scandal.

"Kind Hearts and Coronets" is no more a film noir than Cocteau's "Beauty and the Beast".

It is a classically English dark comedy.

by Anonymousreply 9411/21/2020

Out of the Past 1947 Robert Mitchum, Kirk Douglas.

by Anonymousreply 9511/21/2020

R93 Ryan may have been all that and I think he's fine playing all those roles.

I found him jarring in Billy Budd. I know it's a British story by an American writer. and there may have been American sailors in the English navies. But his Mr Claggart is so very extreme and incomprehensible.

by Anonymousreply 9611/21/2020

Le Corbeau

by Anonymousreply 9711/21/2020

[quote] 'Diabolique is a great film' But it is not film noir … First it was not a Hollywood film

R7 So you insist that a French film cannot bear the French label 'noir'.

I call you arrogant!

by Anonymousreply 9811/21/2020

Tension, with Richard Basehart

by Anonymousreply 9911/21/2020

'Dear Murderer' is a tight, taut murder mystery.

With the extra attraction of two homosexual stars plus an adulteress in outlandish coiffeurs and Joan Collins' first husband as an oily spiv.

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by Anonymousreply 10011/21/2020

It Always Rains on Sunday is a good British noir

by Anonymousreply 10111/21/2020

[quote]Ryan - the thinking man's heartthrob.

He's gorgeous but I prefer Sterling Hayden.

by Anonymousreply 10211/21/2020

Is Hitchcock's Rope considered noir? If so, I cast my vote there. If not, it's a tie between Detour and Gun Crazy.

by Anonymousreply 10311/21/2020

The Big Combo.

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by Anonymousreply 10411/21/2020

R96 - To me, Sterling Hayden was always a poor man's Robert Ryan. You can have hm. I'll take Ryan.

by Anonymousreply 10511/22/2020

R100 - It's a great film. Price was alleged to be bi: he had a longish marriage and two children, but once tried to commit suicide via the gas left on in a London rooming house.

Portman, of course, was always a well-known homo. He was also a very fine actor, and his last memorable role, I think, was as Soames Forsyte in the original television adaptation of Galsworthy's novel, which I think has always been under-appreciated. It's a really fine work, it's just not an important one.

Portman managed to capture the personal suffering Soames' worst personal failing also caused the man himself. It's not an easy thing to do given how unappealing a character Soames is.

by Anonymousreply 10611/22/2020

Mingo could get it!

by Anonymousreply 10711/22/2020

Angel Face is also my fabulous, so glad to see it here as it is not often mentioned. It is a very weird film, even after repeated viewings you can’t quite figure the character of Jean Simmons. Her relationship with Mitchum is one of the more toxic in Noir, especially as he doesn’t appear to like her very much. The court room part is a little boring though.

Diabolique is pretty noir, in my view. Folie à deux between women.

by Anonymousreply 10811/22/2020

^ favourite, not fabulous (though it is also that)

by Anonymousreply 10911/22/2020

DEAR MURDERER is one of the most outlandishly "gay" Noir flicks ever made. Portman and Price can't help but "out-queen" each other.

Portman is also nasty in WANTED FOR MURDER (46), once available on DVD in the US.

by Anonymousreply 11011/22/2020

Speaking of The Big Combo, this is said to be a scene that was CENSORED.

I wonder if anything between Fante & Mingo was censored.

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by Anonymousreply 11111/22/2020

huckleberry finn

by Anonymousreply 11211/22/2020

[quote] huckleberry finn

Are you talking about the late 30s version where he displays buttocks?

by Anonymousreply 11311/22/2020

Too Late for Tears, with DL fave Lizabeth Scott. While out for an evening drive in the Hollywood Hills, a man in a passing car mistakenly tosses a bag of money into Liz's car, and Liz is determined to keep it at all costs.

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by Anonymousreply 11411/22/2020

R106

Eric Portman (1901 – 1969)

Eric Porter (1928 – 1995)

by Anonymousreply 11511/22/2020

R115 - Thanks. Sloppy on my part! It was Porter who played Soames Forsyte in the original "Saga".

by Anonymousreply 11611/23/2020

R91 - You got something against tall, dark, craggy, and brutish or something?!

by Anonymousreply 11711/23/2020

The homoerotic Brute Force

by Anonymousreply 11811/23/2020

"Ossessione", Visconti's version of The Postman Always Rings Twice

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by Anonymousreply 11911/23/2020

YouTube: Sexy Massimo and pretty blonde boy Jacques Sernas are available for your viewing pleasure in "Gioventu Perduta" (Pietro Germi, 1948).

No subtitles, but the plot is simple: rich boy criminal Jacques is pursued by detective Massimo, who uses Jacques' sister to get him.

by Anonymousreply 12011/23/2020

^ Which is also pretty gay!

by Anonymousreply 12111/23/2020

Some of my favorites:

Dead Reckoning with Bogart, Lizabeth Scott and a fantastic collection of supporting actors.

Too Late For Tears - (Thank you R114) where a woman is the villain - Lizabeth Scott, Dan Duryea, Arthur Kennedy, Don DeFore.

The Blue Dahlia - Alan Ladd, Veronica Lake, William Bendix

This Gun For Hire - First pairing of Alan Ladd and Veronica Lake

Cry Wolf - Barbara Stanwyck, Errol Flynn and Richard Basehart

The Two Mrs Carrolls - Barbara Stanwyck, Bogart, Alexis Smith

Conflict - Bogart, Alexis Smith, Sydney Greenstreet

His Kind of Woman - Robert Mitchum, Jane Russell, Tim Holt, and a hilarious performance by Vincent Price

Murder My Sweet - Dick Powell and Claire Trevor

Lady in the Lake - Robert Montgomery, Audrey Totter, Lloyd Nolan, Jayne Meadows, Leon Ames

And, of course, the already named Double Indemnity, Out of the Past, Dark Passage, The Big Sleep, Angel Face, and The Maltese Falcon,

by Anonymousreply 12211/23/2020

Tom and Huck abduct Becky ,,,, circa 1947. twas the toast of Cannes.

by Anonymousreply 123Last Tuesday at 5:54 AM

aNTHING with AUnt bEE.

by Anonymousreply 124Last Tuesday at 6:37 AM

R100, R106 Eric Portman brought a Noir presence to everything he did. Terence Rattigan gave him the role of the closeted homosexual at the premier of his 'Separate Tables'. He wasn't physically attractive but he had that extraordinary voice which was both aristocratic and sordid, sinister, suave and ominous. His best role was the obsessed man on the run in '49th Parallel' in 1941.

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by Anonymousreply 125Last Tuesday at 1:21 PM

I signed up for a two week trial of the Criterion Channel. Did a search for all the noir and am watching the Joan Crawford selections. Started with "Mildred Pierce" for the nth time, "Queen Bee," and last night I watched "Harriet Craig"! (1950)

WTF? First, I kind of loved it because we are seeing No Wire Hangers Joan in a role most like her Mommy Dearest persona. The sets are great and it's easy to see how this was once a stage play. Turns out Billy Haines designed the sets. I loved the weak-armed settee with the two round pillows. Joan and others had some nice dresses and gowns, but Joan's HAIR was an abomination! Just so harsh and (prison) matronly!

Last, HOW is this film considered NOIR? The sets and cinematography are not of noir style. One good shot of the staircase rails making great shadows really stood out. Joan being a rude, controlling bitch to family, household workers, and social/business acquaintances is not criminal. Manipulation and puppeteering behind the scenes doesn't have anywhere near the same dramatic impact as Myra Hudson deciding to double-cross her potential assassins before they can get to her in "Sudden Fear".

I enjoyed "Harriet Craig" but I would argue anyone that this is not film noir.

by Anonymousreply 126Last Wednesday at 5:34 AM

LA Confidential. Do not @ me.

by Anonymousreply 127Last Wednesday at 5:35 AM

The original "Craig's Wife' with Rosalind Russell has a murder or suicide occurring with someone who her husband had recently visited. Harriet gets all upset and does stuff to try to cover up and makes it clear to her husband she cared more about losing her house and possessions than she does about her husband himself. In "Harriet Craig", it's more about her trying to get in the way of her husband's promotion and taking a trip out of the country without her, among other things. It's a really good play, and I like both movie versions. It's not really a film noir, though, just a very good play that gave rise to two very good films. And yes, Joan is very much in controlling "Mommy Dearest" mode in "Harriet Craig". I think perhaps the use of shadows was borrowed from film noir though, but otherwise it's mainly a very compelling domestic drama. I love when the husband has his epiphany, tells her off and leaves.

by Anonymousreply 128Last Wednesday at 10:58 AM
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