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Over 82,000 People Are Suing the Boy Scouts of America for Sexual Abuse

[QUOTE]Complaints against the BSA reportedly eclipse even those against the Catholic church, which the Times ballparks around 9,000 lawsuits. Allegations have reportedly poured in from all 50 states, and from military bases around the world.

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by Anonymousreply 79Last Friday at 6:32 PM

Now I wish I'd stayed in! I didn't get any dick til my 20's.

by Anonymousreply 111/15/2020

thats where i got my my start . It was devine!

by Anonymousreply 211/15/2020

What a bunch of whiners!

by Anonymousreply 311/15/2020

All these "conservative" insitutions like the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, etc. are breeding grounds for pedophilia

by Anonymousreply 411/15/2020

I realize this is a HUGE generalization but...

I would rather kill myself than spend time with a bunch of kids. If you’re a parent then you are obviously forced to, but other people’s kids? If someone is finding ways to hang out with a bunch of children/young teens then they’re probably a pedo IMO.

by Anonymousreply 511/15/2020

I've been waiting for this reckoning! It's long overdue. We've all been hearing the stories our whole lives, about the Troop Leader molesting boys in his private tent, etc etc. I imagine, too, that these 82,000 people are not the full tally.

by Anonymousreply 611/15/2020

What a naive time in history when parents would let their young children go away for the weekend to camp in the woods with an adult male. Like R5 says, you have to wonder why a grown man would volunteer for this burden unless they had some personal gain. I'm not saying there aren't truly kind-hearted people in the world. But....being a troop leader offers an unchecked imbalance of power and access. Yikes!

by Anonymousreply 711/15/2020

I wish I had stayed in when I was a kid knowing this now.

by Anonymousreply 811/15/2020

In my 4 years being a scout i never once whiffed even a hint of impropriety . Scoutmasters changed in front of us at camp and when we went swimming ,but in those days that wasnt uncommon. Another bullshit money grab . There were a handful who were im sure,but how you going to prove someone is lying when it happened 40 years ago and the scout leader is long dead ? So the scouts will just hand some money to them and make them hopefully disappear. What kills me is there were places where kids were raped,beaten and killed and its crickets . But some dude say hes scout master touched his weenie in 1964 and its "heres $10,000" Read up on the White House boys if you want to hear a real horror story .

by Anonymousreply 911/15/2020

I was never molested, but there was more than once when I was still underage that I would've willingly participated, if I'd had my pick of partners.

by Anonymousreply 1011/15/2020

I feel like it is much easier for a pedophile to become a scout leader and prey on victims than any other profession. Being a teacher requires an actual degree and certifications and is very stressful and often unrewarding job and given how much students love to torment and harrass their teachers, I can't see a pedo seeking out a career like this which would always put them at risk for accusations. Same with pediatricians and social workers. Jobs that require years of study, discipline and often are stressful and draining would not attract a pedo. Pedophiles are not that smart and are insatiable and many would seek the most low effort ways to get access to as many children as possible. And this would be getting a job as a scout leader, a priest, youth pastor, camp counselor or sports coach which require little certifications or high intelligence.

I think pedophilia in Hollywood is also over-exaggerated, like teaching and medicine, Hollywood is very stressful and competitive and you need to have legitimate skills to be in that industry. Again, pedophiles would want a job that is easy to obtain and victims that are easy to manipulate. Child actors tend to be intelligent and have social status, so risky to diddle with.

by Anonymousreply 1111/15/2020

I was both Catholic and a Boy Scout and no one ever tried anything with me. How demoralizing.

by Anonymousreply 1211/15/2020

So have they gotten rid of the merit badges for douching, cocksucking, and bottoming?

by Anonymousreply 1311/15/2020

Meanwhile, three or four women have sued the Girl Scouts for allowing the sexual abuse of a little girl.

by Anonymousreply 1411/15/2020

Never a second of impropriety in seven years in the Scouts, molested by ministers of two denominations during that time. Take that for why you will.

FYI: The BSA has a billion dollar endowment, hundreds of thousands of acres of land in the form of BSA camps, and 30 Norman Rockwell paintings (a million dollars or so a piece.) Most churches, excepting the one in Rome, don’t have more than the lot the church stands on so the BSA is one of the last whales available for the lawyers to profit from.

by Anonymousreply 1511/15/2020

"I would rather kill myself than spend time with a bunch of kids. If you’re a parent then you are obviously forced to, but other people’s kids? If someone is finding ways to hang out with a bunch of children/young teens then they’re probably a pedo IMO."

Just because you hate kids doesn't mean everyone does. Yes, pedos will flock to places where they can meet kids, but that doesn't mean all or even most people who work with kids are doing it for the wrong reasons

by Anonymousreply 1611/15/2020

A lot of people teach, do social work, counseling and coaching because they enjoy helping young people and see it as a valuable contribution to society. Pedophilia is a psychological disorder and quite rare. And what's surprising is most molesters aren't even strictly pedos just sadistic opportunist sexual predators who prey on anyone vulnerable regardless of age.

by Anonymousreply 1711/15/2020

More work for lawyers.

by Anonymousreply 1811/15/2020

My first real job out of college was at a Head Start and people really did not trust me on any level. Another guy who worked there did it because he was quite religious and felt doing something for the community was important, so he got a lot less crap than I did, but the general thought was that men working with little kids was creepy.

It's different with Boy Scout aged kids because that's an age where men like to take boys out to camp, play sports, things like that. I don't think people immediately distrust you if you're a man who wants to be a Scout leader.

by Anonymousreply 1911/15/2020

Wait I thought child sex abuse only happened in sick “hollyweird” according to rethugs..

by Anonymousreply 2011/15/2020

I'm sorry Boy Scouts is such a pedo hotbed as the dads who ran my group were so dedicated and really gave our whole troop a lot of skills and fun. I feel lucky to have never had anything untoward happen to me as a kid. I realize many were not as lucky, so my heart goes out to them.

by Anonymousreply 2111/15/2020

[quote] I imagine, too, that these 82,000 people are not the full tally.

Really? Because I would bet there is a lot of jumping on the bus. The ads to jump on board are everywhere and constant.

by Anonymousreply 2211/15/2020

r20, yes, I'll never understand the weirdos who are paranoid that Tom Hanks and Oprah are going to kidnap and eat their kids when almost all molestation victims are molested by someone they know well

by Anonymousreply 2311/15/2020

This topic made me think of this hilarious dialogue from Sleepaway Camp.

[bold]Artie: Look at all that fine chicken, where I come from we call 'em "baldies."[/bold]

[bold]Ben: They're too young to know whats on your mind.[/bold]

[bold]Artie: There's no such thing as being too young. You're just too old.[/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 2411/15/2020

R14, not for long, if the Equality Act passes, the Girl Scouts will be forced to hire any male pedo who claims he’s a woman or be slapped with a hate crime.

by Anonymousreply 2511/15/2020

Conservatives are funny like this. Boy Scouts, youth sports and Bible camps have plenty of cases of sexual abuse but they go ignored because they are sacred all-American activities that cannot be tarnished. At the same time they will blame Hollywood and say there is this ring of pedophilia occurring. Most sexual abuse is done by people who know the victim and are often in close contact with them. Kids from lower-income families or dysfunctional families and kids with developmental disorders are more likely to be victimized because they can be isolated and groomed easier. And most disturbingly, sexual abuse by older relatives is perhaps the most common cases since they have the most access to the victim. The whole "stranger danger" thing is exaggerated.

by Anonymousreply 2611/15/2020

The McMartin preschool case taught a lot of people that helping kids is not worth the risk of being falsely accused. The ordeal that those teachers went through based on nonsensical and fantastical accusations showed that no one is safe who has any interactions with kids.

by Anonymousreply 2711/15/2020

R26, Do you have any stats on that? For obvious reasons, assault of minors are kept private, even when reported, and most of those assaults are not reported because the children are either too frightened or don’t know how to report what happened. For women, 90% sexual assaults are committed by strangers in mixed sex bathrooms, showers, changing rooms and the like. I don’t know if anyone is keeping track of sexual assaults committed on men, though, I’d assume it is similar the women’s stats.

by Anonymousreply 2811/15/2020

"not for long, if the Equality Act passes, the Girl Scouts will be forced to hire any male pedo who claims he’s a woman or be slapped with a hate crime."

I guess some people need to blame trans people for everything, even in threads that aren't about them.

by Anonymousreply 2911/15/2020

I’ve seen commercials on tv seeking out people to sue the Boy Scouts for sexual abuse.

by Anonymousreply 3011/15/2020

90% of assaults on women are not committed by strangers or in changing rooms. Where the hell did you get that?

by Anonymousreply 3111/15/2020

[quote]It was devine!

No badge for English, huh?

by Anonymousreply 3211/15/2020

I was in Boy Scouts. They whored us out! What fun!

by Anonymousreply 3311/15/2020

"For women, 90% sexual assaults are committed by strangers in mixed sex bathrooms, showers, changing rooms and the like."

Really? Got a link? Because I thought the maority of sexual assaults on women were in intimate situations with someone they know, a date or a lover or a relative. Stranger assaults are less common, but perhaps they're the sort the police are willing to take seriously.

by Anonymousreply 3411/15/2020

Obviously the thing for the Boy Scouts to do is to recruite lesbian scoutmasters, but something tells me they aren't going to have that much sense.

by Anonymousreply 3511/15/2020

R34, not so.

[quote] Are you aware that despite less than half of changing rooms in swimming pools and sports centres being mixed sex, 90% of sexual assaults have happened in them? Yet mixed-sex, ‘gender-neutral’ facilities are constantly pushed, including in schools – contrary to law and building regulations requiring separate sex provision – when it would be more responsible to increase third space unisex provision for the comfort of those who need it.

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by Anonymousreply 3611/15/2020

There’s a link to the data in the article @ r36

by Anonymousreply 3711/15/2020

The porn parody - "clASS action."

by Anonymousreply 3811/15/2020

I don't think much of the person who assembled this report.

They take the noun 'ballpark' and use it as a verb in their first sentence.

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by Anonymousreply 3911/15/2020

r37, that site is clearly biased and their "stats" are largely unverified. They're just making shit up to bash trans people. The study they quoted didn't say that 90% OF ALL RAPES happened in unisex changing rooms, the 90% stat comes from rapes in sports facilities, it wasn't referring to the general population. But they made it seem as if 90% of all rapes were happening in changing rooms, which is bullshit

Anyone who knows anything will tell you that most rape victims are raped by someone they know well

by Anonymousreply 4011/15/2020

I don't doubt at all that there was and is abuse in BSA. Most young groups, sadly, have some element of that. (I was in DeMolay and there were more closeted chicken hawks than at a bar mitzvah hosted by Bryan Singer!)

I know many/most cases are legit. But I do wonder if ALL those cases are valid, mostly because I've seen relentless ads for groups suing on Facebook and online.

by Anonymousreply 4111/15/2020

Late-night TV commercials looking for abused former Boy Scouts are now as common as the ones looking for people with mesothelioma.

by Anonymousreply 4211/15/2020

They are sending massive solicitations by email. I even got one in my inbox and I never even googled it. Not to negate those who've had bad experiences, but I would bet that many people see this as an opportunity to make money.

by Anonymousreply 4311/15/2020

BSA is funded and has been funded primarily by the Mormon Church.

by Anonymousreply 4411/15/2020

I was an Eagle Scout, so I was involved for several years. I never saw anything going on between the adult leaders and scouts, and there were enough adults around that I can't remember ever being in a truly one on one situation.

Scout on scout was anther story. Comparing dick size was a regular event in the tents at night, and I remember hearing abut some contests to see how quickly a guy could cum.I suspect that if there was something going on it was between a 14 year old scout and an 11 year old scout, although I never heard anything about that actually taking place.

by Anonymousreply 4511/15/2020

In the early 2000s, I used gay.com chat a lot and there was a guy who was married who I started chatting with and we became somewhat friendly without hooking up. He said he felt like he was gay but trapped living a straight life. He would never tell me his last name or where he worked. A few months ago, I was able to find his full name through social media detective work. I was surprised to see that he works for Boy Scouts administration. He was nice and I don’t think he’s a pedophile.

I was a Boy Scout for a year or two, and I don’t remember ever being alone with any adult. Parents need to stop putting their children in situations alone with strangers.

by Anonymousreply 4611/15/2020

R39, she’s citing the NYT. I mean, they got Iraq wrong but it seems like a weirdly specific number to make up.

by Anonymousreply 4711/16/2020

Here’s the original story:

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by Anonymousreply 4811/16/2020

They deserve what they get for their homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 4911/16/2020

"Parents need to stop putting their children in situations alone with strangers."

Some of these cases go back DECADES

by Anonymousreply 5011/16/2020

But these scoutmasters aren't necessarily strangers, when I was a Cut Scout the scoutmasters were our neighbors, the parents of my schoolmates, people my parents knew through the PTA.

Who were, of course, precisely the sort of people who parents would trust like they'd trust the Creepy Uncle, the sort of people who actually get away with molesting children while all these "Stranger Danger" campaigns ignore the real culprits. Not that anything happened in my dull suburban neck of the woods, not with the boy scouts anyway.

by Anonymousreply 5111/16/2020

I thought they all just circle jerked while camping. That's what I was told in 6th grade.

by Anonymousreply 5211/16/2020

Two of the most successful strategies pedophiles use are:

1. Becoming well respected members of their community who are beyond approach.

2. Accusing others of being pedophiles to distract from their own pedophile actions.

Our society is built on the premise to trust people with authority blindly and never question their authority. Because questioning someone's authority can only bring chaos and nobody wants chaos, doubt, and uncertainty.

by Anonymousreply 5311/16/2020

R51 you're very right, they usually aren't strangers. Most of mine were people we knew. Our scoutmasters were usually parents of boys who were in scouting. I remember my troop actively tried recruiting my stepdad because everyone knew him, he got along well with them, & was good with outdoorsy stuff. He ended up declining, just wasn't interested.

There were no molestation issues in my troop that I was aware of. Nothing happened to me personally. I mostly enjoyed scouting. I think scouting & going to camp is really good for kids, it lets you experience a lot of different things. I quit scouting though after a discussion at camp where the "gay" issue came up. The leader sitting before us said that gay scouts were not allowed in scouting, & if you were found out, they'd kick you out. I was 13 at the time & was already figuring myself out. Later that month I decided to quit scouting. A shame it went that way.

by Anonymousreply 5411/16/2020

I was the one who mentioned DeMolay above - I don't know if it's because the members were all over 13 but that was a pit of sexual activity. And in most cases it was a more gray area than "molestation" because the young guys were willing participants physically, but then you have the fact that they're being groomed or influenced and they really can't consent.

It was such hypocrisy, with the adult leaders being all Republican patriotism Christianity and so on, but quite a few of them were chasing the young guys.

I don't remember anyone in Scouts even being remotely sexual to be honest. Those leaders were all very nice and very, very boring.

by Anonymousreply 5511/16/2020

[QUOTE] Becoming well respected members of their community who are beyond approach.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 5611/16/2020

93 thousand according to Whorah O Squabble on the CBS News

by Anonymousreply 5711/16/2020

R51. I love the concept of an organizations of “But Scouts,” no doubt sponsored by the B’nai Bris.

by Anonymousreply 5811/16/2020

R58 here—I’ll oh dear myself: “Cut Scouts,” not “But Scouts” (though it could be Butt Scouts, I suppose.)

by Anonymousreply 5911/16/2020

They're the Butt Scouts to us

by Anonymousreply 6011/16/2020

R5 people will freak out over what you said but I think you're right.

I'm my experience the people who've been dodgey in this way have been self styled "youth mentors ' there is something wrong with any adult who actually prefers the company of children. And given what we know about pedos it's fair to have questions about anyone who is terribly enthusiastic to work for free with children.

I've just finished Alan Davies autobiography. At one point he put two and two together that his pedophile father had been an avid scout leader for years. Generally praised and held up as a great member of the community for it when people should've been asking why the fuck he wanted to be so involved.

by Anonymousreply 6111/16/2020

Hopefully heads will roll

by Anonymousreply 62Last Tuesday at 8:12 AM

Up to 90,000 claims now

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by Anonymousreply 63Last Tuesday at 8:13 AM

The BSA would let guys who were accused of molesting kids in one state go to another state and serve as southeastern there.

by Anonymousreply 64Last Tuesday at 8:23 AM

I'd like to know their definition of "sexual abuse".

Touching? Erotic talk?

by Anonymousreply 65Last Tuesday at 9:39 AM

That's "scoutmasters"...I don't know how autocorrect got "southeastern"...

by Anonymousreply 66Last Tuesday at 9:51 AM

R65 Sexual abuse can be inappropriate touching, having minors do acts alone, all the way to full on sexual interaction. I'm pretty sure sexual talk can be included, as well as showing minors inappropriate content.

I'm glad the abused can go after these organizations. If the boy scouts wanted to avoid this they should've had better oversight and not tried to hush cases.

by Anonymousreply 67Last Tuesday at 11:01 AM

[quote] … inappropriate touching…

Schools and Scouts should publish guides as to which touching is appropriate or inappropriate.

The government should pay for it (along with a video presentation by President Biden)

by Anonymousreply 68Last Tuesday at 12:07 PM

President Biden. That has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it, R68?

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by Anonymousreply 69Last Wednesday at 3:40 AM

Sad story

by Anonymousreply 70Last Wednesday at 8:58 AM

[quote] And this would be getting a job as a scout leader, a priest, youth pastor, camp counselor or sports coach which require little certifications or high intelligence.

Ordination to the priesthood requires a BA (typically in Philosophy) and a Masters in Theology or Divinity. It’s not rocket surgery but you do need at least an average level of intelligence to complete the course of study.

by Anonymousreply 71Last Wednesday at 9:28 AM

Or the proper motivation (your reward being diddling all the boys you want if you pass).

by Anonymousreply 72Last Wednesday at 1:00 PM

Up to 95,000 now

by Anonymousreply 73Last Friday at 8:54 AM

I should sue them for not molesting me. We had some hot scout leaders.

by Anonymousreply 74Last Friday at 8:57 AM

I was a scout for awhile and never got molested. There was an issue at a summer camp I went to involving a guy who I later went to high school with. It SEVERELY fucked him up.

It's probably those horrible ill-fitting uniforms.

by Anonymousreply 75Last Friday at 9:14 AM

With the awful scarves. Dr. Birx would like it.

by Anonymousreply 76Last Friday at 9:35 AM

Boy Scouts should have to wear a badge indicating whether they are cut or uncut.

by Anonymousreply 77Last Friday at 3:02 PM

I think this is payback for the Scouts 'allowing' gay bois into the organization 7 years ago. A lot of breeders were livid, and dropped out of the organization in protest. They chose this time for the accusations/lawsuits because the accusers know the Scouts are struggling financially due to Covid. This will bankrupt them.

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by Anonymousreply 78Last Friday at 6:27 PM

^ I bet the scouts would appreciate that

by Anonymousreply 79Last Friday at 6:32 PM
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