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Shopping For Groceries Is Like Hell Right Now (PT 11)

Continuing the discussion... we're gonna need it.

by Anonymousreply 23614 hours ago

My observation after shopping today (in SoCA): TP and paper towels sold out, very low stock on black beans, salsa, certain canned soups, canned tomatoes, jar pasta sauce, Ramen noodles (regular pasta picked over but not the the point of low inventory). Very similar pattern to early-mid March. People are getting nervous.

by Anonymousreply 111/14/2020

People are stupid fucking sheep. If they would all just shop like normal, everything would be fine. I fucking hate sheeple.

by Anonymousreply 211/14/2020

Well, now I'm spooked by all these DL reports, so it's to Lowe's I go on Monday (yes, they're open today, but one day won't matter; within 20 miles I have three Lowe's).

Why that store? I have gift cards to spend.

So far the only food shortage I've noticed has been Del Monte canned spinach. I love the stuff.

by Anonymousreply 311/14/2020

What are you going to get from Lowe's, R3?

by Anonymousreply 411/14/2020

I’m going to buy some ground beef and chicken to freeze, this is what disappeared around here March to May.

Stores around me have most everything (limits on some items) but I can’t find brown sugar? Trying to get all of my holiday baking ingredients squared away, this is the only item left on my list.

by Anonymousreply 511/15/2020

Gee, here in Quincy, Massachusetts (7-12 miles from downtown Boston), I didn't notice any major issues at Stop & Shop last night.

Plenty of liquid hand soap and refills, masks, water, toilet paper, paper towels, wipes, sanitizer -- so unlike early on. Still hard to consistently find Lysol spray or its equivalent, but can find it at times, but seems especially expensive now.

Target the night before seeme well stocked also.

by Anonymousreply 611/15/2020

r6 that is because it is like a wave. It just hasn't reached you yet. In about a week your store will be low on items too.

by Anonymousreply 711/15/2020

Just got back from Walmart and the only toilet paper they have is Angel Soft. I picked up the last Charmin.

by Anonymousreply 811/15/2020

[quote]People are stupid fucking sheep. If they would all just shop like normal, everything would be fine.

I have never noticed sheep hoarding toilet paper.

I suspect that the problem with people is that they are people.

by Anonymousreply 911/15/2020

I bought up alot of toilet tissue about 3 weeks back--so I'm good for the winter.

When we had the shut downs back in March/April, there was enough food in the supermarkets/delivery services--so I'm fine with not hording food now.

by Anonymousreply 1011/15/2020

Our supermarkets and places like Walmart and Target never did get back to normal. There were still empty shelves or limited supply of products. As an example, I buy Simple Truth Sour Cream alternative and couldn't get it for weeks because they were having problems with their supplier. Now the supplier may have had a problem getting one or more ingredients to make the sour cream alternative. There are so many factors to getting a product produced and to the supermarkets. I imagine the shelves are going to get sparse in the next few weeks. Once again people are probably going to start hoarding. It is not the poor people that are hoarding since they are living paycheck to paycheck. The privilege of money allows for people to hoard.

by Anonymousreply 1111/15/2020

Target and Costco have done the worst job throughout the pandemic. Target does Order Pickup but the list of things they will actually bring out to your car at a given store is ridiculously small. They claim they included more food but not at my store.

Costco's website is such a mess......they may have better options inside the store, but they've all but shut down web orders.

by Anonymousreply 1211/15/2020

[quote]Stores around me have most everything (limits on some items) but I can’t find brown sugar? Trying to get all of my holiday baking ingredients squared away, this is the only item left on my list.

R5 just buy some molasses and make your own brown sugar. I started doing this years ago and not only is it incredibly easy, you can control if you want light brown or dark brown sugar and it's way less expensive than buying the store bought.

by Anonymousreply 1311/15/2020

Costco, apparently, was also selling "Louis Vuitton" handbags recently. Louis Vuitton simply does not supply to Costco. Shady. A few years ago, I saw "Fendi" bags being sold in Costco. How the fuck does Costco get away with this (selling counterfeit designer bags)?

Still, I do shop at Costco. Not much choice in my area.

Costco needs to focus on stuff like toilet paper and food, not fake handbags.

by Anonymousreply 1411/15/2020

I went shopping tonight at WinCo. They weren't out of anything, weren't busy, no problems. There was even a giant bin of round containers of disinfecting wipes in the lobby on display. This is in Boise, Idaho.

by Anonymousreply 1511/15/2020

Walmart has the least available for delivery since mid May. No soft Charmin, no Bounty paper towels, in store only. When you can't get what you need at Walmart you know things are really bad again. OTOH I got 50 more masks (the blue medical ones) for $9.99.

Costco is out of trash bags and the regular foil, only the heavy duty one which is thinner than the regular one used to be back in the day. Target is back to no delivery on Bounty paper towels and the soft Charmin too.

We are back to April. Soon in NY it will be back to almost 1000 deaths a day. In my Brooklyn neighborhood, not Borough Park but not that far away and the Hasidic Jews are walking around in groups, no masks. I curse at them every time I see them and they could care less. BTW, I'm Jewish, secular and I hate their disease spreading guts.

I've called 311 and emailed the mayor and governor and nothing, is being done. Why the politicians are afraid of these people I don't know. It's not like they ever vote for Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 1611/15/2020

[quote]Costco, apparently, was also selling "Louis Vuitton" handbags recently. Louis Vuitton simply does not supply to Costco. Shady. A few years ago, I saw "Fendi" bags being sold in Costco. How the fuck does Costco get away with this (selling counterfeit designer bags)?

Your authority for this statement? I find it hard to believe that Costco would engage in such practices.

by Anonymousreply 1711/15/2020

I'm having problems posting links, R17. Better if you just Google "Costco Louis Vuitton." Sounds unbelievable, but like I said, I saw, with my own 2 eyes, Fendi bags in Costco before.

by Anonymousreply 1811/15/2020

Seeing them and knowing they were fake are two different things.

by Anonymousreply 1911/15/2020

Here's a link for you that says that Costco guarantees the authenticity of all its designer goods.

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by Anonymousreply 2011/15/2020

I haven't been accosted by any Salvation Army bell ringers yet, so that's a good thing, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 2111/16/2020

Was in the local grocery on Sunday afternoon and it was snowpocalypse level shopping mobbed. Weird and unsettling. No paper towel or tp. I’m in rural New England.

by Anonymousreply 2211/16/2020

Here in northern NJ, my local supermarkets like Shop Rite have aisles full of toilet paper and paper towels; name brands, like Scott and Bounty are plentiful. Plenty of paper plates as well. The Target less than 2 miles from a Shop Rite, had about 50 packages of TP and no paper towels! My sister's WalMart in Hackettstown hasn't had paper plates and/or bowls since the pandemic began.

by Anonymousreply 2311/16/2020

Another downside to online shopping for groceries: you don't get to pick the size of meats. I ordered a frozen turkey breast from Target, and I ended up with one that is almost 10 lbs.! That's way larger than your typical breast (unless the turkey has had silicone implants), and it won't fit into most slow cookers or pressure cookers.

by Anonymousreply 2411/16/2020

Wow, WTF did they do to or feed that turkey. It sounds like a lab experiment. Can you return it? I'd be afraid to eat it. I mean that one breast had to come off a 50 lb turkey. That is a freak of nature, poor thing.

by Anonymousreply 2511/16/2020

r24, you could bone it and cut it in half.

by Anonymousreply 2611/16/2020

That must have been the Dolly Parton of chickens, r24.

by Anonymousreply 2711/16/2020

Pumped full of hormones.

by Anonymousreply 2811/17/2020

Everything was decorated for Xmas way back in late October. THAT annoyed me

by Anonymousreply 2911/17/2020

[quote]Everything was decorated for Xmas way back in late October. THAT annoyed me

I guess they were busy spraying for covid on Labor Day.

by Anonymousreply 3011/17/2020

It's been that way for years, r29.

by Anonymousreply 3111/17/2020

CNBC: Walmart shoppers in some parts of the country are stocking up again on toilet paper and cleaning supplies as Covid-19 cases rise, says CDO Doug McMillon.

“It really does have everything to do with what’s happening with Covid cases in any particular community,” he said on an earnings call. “I was in stores last week, and I saw variance from one state to the other, one location to the other — just depends on how people are feeling in that moment.”

Some grocers, including Kroger, Wegmans and Publix, have reinstated purchasing limits on toilet paper, disinfecting spray and hand sanitizer.

by Anonymousreply 3211/17/2020

The hideous sight we hoped never to see again: Panic buyers across U.S. empty shelves of toilet roll, food and disinfectant as 40 states see record daily increases in cases and 20 states report all-time highs in deaths

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by Anonymousreply 3311/17/2020

the only thing I would buy now is toilet paper and tissues. I still have some bleach and wipes...these things expire, waste of money to stock up too much.

by Anonymousreply 3411/17/2020

I'm going to the grocery store in about an hour. Wish me luck! I don't need any cleaning supplies or paper products so am not too concerned.

by Anonymousreply 3511/17/2020

I'm going to try to find some chicken on Thursday. Maybe some Charmin. I have a feeling I won't be shopping in person much longer. It will be March - July when I never left my apartment all over again. I don't want turkey this year just for me. I'm going to make chicken, bread stuffing, gravy and sweet potatoes. Oh, right, I need to find sweet potatoes Thursday too. I candy them with lots of butter and maple syrup. Yum. I only make it once or twice a year. They're good for a 2 pound gain the next day. I may also stock up on bacon. If I have to be stuck inside again for months, well, I'm fucking going to have bacon. I may not have toilet paper but I will have bacon.

by Anonymousreply 3611/17/2020

Yup trying to figure out my last in person shop list to carry me for the next 4 weeks, I don’t need much since staples are covered but maybe some fruit and veg, ice cream, eggs, cheese, crackers etc. Curbside near me is terrible and hard to schedule a slot

by Anonymousreply 3711/18/2020

I'm good with TP and paper towels. I buy the really big package of Bounty Select-a-Size and it's only me so they last a long time. I was buying a 12 pack of Scott Comfort Plus whenever I opened one so I'm good there. I'm more concerned about finding proteins like chicken and pork chops. I have a Farmer's Market-type store within walking distance so I'm not concerned about vegetables or fruit.

by Anonymousreply 3811/18/2020

they are limiting garbage bags at my walgreens in NYC. only 1 per person...didn't know that it was that sought after.

by Anonymousreply 3911/18/2020

DeWine announced a curfew here in Ohio yesterday, and already people are panic buying at the grocery store today. This is only going to get worse with Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years gatherings - three super spreader events in a row. I have relatives that are still going to have large get togethers, of course they voted trump, they just don't give a shit. The senior citizens and soccer mom karen's were out in full force hoarding everything off the shelves.

by Anonymousreply 4011/18/2020

Got back from a long day of shopping in So CA.

First store I hit was Walmart. They were full stocked with most things, including tons of wipes, however no Lysol and no Liquid Plumr/Draino. They also did not have any butter or margarine. Also no milk was available. They still had toilet paper and paper towels. They also had eggs, but they've skyrocketed in price. You used to be able to buy 36 eggs for $4 and the cost has now doubled to $8. They still had tons of pasta and most other pantry staples.

I then went to Sam's Club. They had a small supply of Paper Towels and Toilet Paper, which they were limiting. They had no Tissue/Kleenex available. Their canned vegetables were sold out as well as most of their refrigerated produce, like lettuce, asparagus, mushrooms, broccoli. They had plenty of red meat and pork, but were sold out of Chicken. No eggs or butter to be found there.

A run to the local grocery store and everything seemed in stock there, except milk. They still had tons of pasta and jarred sauce. I didn't check for TP or Paper Towels.

Costco was fully stocked but it was madness. I had wanted to grab some butter but didn't bother because the refrigerator for that is in the back of the store and right next to the TP and Paper Towels. The line to get to that section of the store snaked all the way to the ENTRANCE. I did not have time for that and wasn't going to bother trying to squeeze my through the mess. I noticed at check out that a lot of people were trying to skirt the, "1 Per Membership Rule," and the Cashiers had to keep pulling items off of people's carts because they had 2 or 3 of things that they weren't supposed to.

Trader Joe's was fully stocked.

One thing I did notice about Walmart was that they have someone at the door again counting those coming and going. They had stopped doing that about a month ago. They also put directional markers back down on the floor, only in the main aisles, and these were not professionally done, corporate ones. Management literally just took painters tape and put them on the floor.

by Anonymousreply 4111/18/2020

If anyone's looking for Scott TP 1-Ply (I know a lot of people in the earlier threads said they used this) try Walgreens. They have a coupon you can clip that takes $2 off making it around $9. It's available for shipping and for in store.

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by Anonymousreply 4211/18/2020

I hate having to go to multiple stores to get what I want R41. It would be nice if you would know beforehand if they have the product in stock. I know when things are flying off the shelf it is hard, but people are potentially needlessly exposed to covid.

by Anonymousreply 4311/18/2020

Ralph’s here in SoCal was stocking “Orange Flavor” Wipes. The lady stocker friend said “This is it. Good timing. Stock up now”. WalMart had empty shelves of TP, tissues, bleach. Yet MOUNTAINS of hand sanitizer and face masks. Go figure.

by Anonymousreply 4411/18/2020

On November 5th I stopped at Whole Foods and got eggs & Milk and salad greens. Other than that I'm fine. I've been stocking up on TP and paper toweling, cleaning products right along. Every time I sopped, this past summer, I'd pick up one package of either one. I have enough to last a year. I have a freezer full of chicken, bacon pork loin. A few other things. Several bags of frozen vegetables. I have several pounds of butter, two large jugs of olive oil, and four of those giant boxes of oatmeal. I' m fine. Won't have to leave my house for anything. Maybe a five minute trip to get milk & eggs, that's it. No more serious grocery shopping until maybe spring.

by Anonymousreply 4511/18/2020

[quote] They also had eggs, but they've skyrocketed in price. You used to be able to buy 36 eggs for $4 and the cost has now doubled to $8. They still had tons of pasta and most other pantry staples.

Where was this? I'm in SoCal and got a dozen eggs from store pickup at Walmart on Sunday and they were $1.63.

by Anonymousreply 4611/18/2020

I like how there's now a whole separate specialty thread for just toilet paper and paper towels. I love you DL.

by Anonymousreply 4711/18/2020

Shopped at Walmart near Denver yesterday. Many empty shelves.

Paper towels gone and next to no TP

A limit of 1 per customer has been put on Lysol so we managed to get l can and 1 pump spray bottle. It felt like striking gold.

I was surprised that there was no Coke.

No frozen spinach No canned spinach. WTF is happening with spinach? In fact frozen vegetables in general were almost wiped out.

Very little coffee.

Only two boxes of freezer storage bags on the shelf. I grabbed one.

Very little yogurt.

In general the atmosphere felt strange. So many empty shelves I think I may need to better assess what we need to hunker down and try other local groceries stores other than Walmart.

by Anonymousreply 4811/19/2020

Supply chain is disrupted when people fall ill and die.

by Anonymousreply 4911/19/2020

Anyone know if I buy my turkey today will it be ok for thanksgiving? I will try for frozen but unsure what I will find in stock.

by Anonymousreply 5011/19/2020

Shopping for groceries has always been hell.

🙉 Now it's both hellish and dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 5111/19/2020

You Americans and your silly obsession with toilet paper and paper towels!

by Anonymousreply 5211/19/2020

Agricultural workers all over the world are getting sick and dying. Food processing plants are filled with sick people. Same with meat processing. In fact, most of these companies have done very little if anything to protect workers. It's across the board. Dry goods, anything that comes from South or central America, or Southeast Asia is getting delayed. Lots of stuff from India, Pakistan, etc. So If you get it you will pay more, and you will wait a long time for delivery.

by Anonymousreply 5311/19/2020

R48 for the longest time I was finding wipes and Lysol on Amazon Fresh in Denver. Not every day but if I shopped at 6 am I would find it at least once a week.

by Anonymousreply 5411/19/2020

True, r51...

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by Anonymousreply 5511/19/2020

Does ABC really think it's sensible to air a show like this in our current situation?

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by Anonymousreply 5611/19/2020

[quote]People are stupid fucking sheep. If they would all just shop like normal, everything would be fine. I fucking hate sheeple.

Same here. These idiot sheeple are the CAUSE of the problem.

by Anonymousreply 5711/19/2020

It isn't the same without the late '80s-early '90s tackiness, r56.

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by Anonymousreply 5811/19/2020

r58 It isn't the same without the '60s tackiness.

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by Anonymousreply 5911/19/2020

Back in the spring, I couldn’t ever get an Instacart delivery. Now so many people are out of work there are plenty of Instacart shoppers, so it’s working out quite well.

by Anonymousreply 6011/19/2020

I've never used grocery deliver? How much should you tip? How much should you tip for curbside pickup?

by Anonymousreply 6111/19/2020

Only r56, if it teaches us to get in and out of the supermarket at Warp Speed.

by Anonymousreply 6211/19/2020

r61 Instacart has tipping built into the app (like Uber), so you can adjust your percentage any way you want. They also let you change the tip amount after the delivery. I usually tip 15% then leave an extra $5 on the porch in an envelope ($10 if it's a large order.) Walmart doesn't allow tipping for curbside pickup (I've tried and it was declined.) I don't know about other stores but I would imagine they either discourage it or look the other way.

by Anonymousreply 6311/19/2020

Given that the past few months have impressed on us that our governments are dominated by forces that not only don't give a fuck about our welfare but are actively taking steps to make sure we're absolutely fucked during this pandemic/economic crisis/guerilla uprising of antisocial personality disordered individuals of the alt-right, I'd say a siege mentality is entirely appropriate. By all means buy in bulk if you can afford it, and if you realize later you don't need all of it your local food banks will be more than happy to take it off you.

by Anonymousreply 6411/19/2020

Thanks, R63.

by Anonymousreply 6511/19/2020

Just came back from Aldi, I got scared by the talk of empty shelves and just wanted to nab a turkey! There were about a dozen small frozen turkeys (Under 13 lbs) and 2 fresh about the same size. Shelves were well stocked otherwise. My aldi said they may get a few more fresh turkeys but no more frozen turkeys before Thanksgiving.

All the xmas fancy foods, goodies and specialty baking stuff was on the shelves if you want to buy ahead.

by Anonymousreply 6611/19/2020

[quote[turkeys (Under 13 lbs)

Thirteen lbs! That's barely the size of a breast!!!!

by Anonymousreply 6711/19/2020

it's the fear of missing out.

My partner uses a lot of toilet paper. He's just plain wasteful.

I went to target today and they didn't have any toilet paper either. I still have some at home and they are available at other stores but they are expensive!

by Anonymousreply 6811/19/2020

R67 I know, luckily my housemates are more interested in the sides than the bird :/

by Anonymousreply 6911/19/2020

Friendly reminder to elderly cashiers, this isn't a General Foods International coffee commercial where we all gather around and celebrate the moments of our lives, when there's a line of 15 people at your lane.

by Anonymousreply 7011/19/2020

OK this situation is difficult but I remind myself almost daily that if my family could get through 4 years of war in Europe I can easily lockdown at home with TV, wifi and other conveniences. The vaccine is nearly here.

by Anonymousreply 7111/19/2020

[quote]Friendly reminder to elderly cashiers, this isn't a General Foods International coffee commercial where we all gather around and celebrate the moments of our lives, when there's a line of 15 people at your lane.

Friendly reminder to be nice to the elderly cashiers who are risking their lives so you can buy your shit.

by Anonymousreply 7211/19/2020

r67=Dolly Parton

by Anonymousreply 7311/19/2020

🦃 A thirteen pound turkey breast sounds delightful !!!

by Anonymousreply 7411/19/2020

Friendly suggestion, R70, from your elderly cashier:

👵 [italic] Get The Fuck Outta My Line !

by Anonymousreply 7511/19/2020

R72, my 78 year old father is a Marine vet and he even gets pissed when chatty old women cashiers tie up the checkout lanes because they want to have a lengthy conversation with everyone they're ringing up. He has a hard time walking in the first place and making him stand in line that long is hard for him.

by Anonymousreply 7611/19/2020

Ride a scooter, Gramps.

by Anonymousreply 7711/19/2020

Use self-checkout, r76, if it's available. I'm an ancientgay and I love it (even before La Pandemica).

by Anonymousreply 7811/19/2020

Great advice lethargic Laura working the register!

by Anonymousreply 7911/19/2020

I have not observed a toilet paper shortage in my town but I'm stocking up one roll at a time.

by Anonymousreply 8011/19/2020

I'm also seeing Lysterine being limited to one per customer at some stores.

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by Anonymousreply 8111/19/2020

There's a new story about Listerine killing covid on surfaces.

by Anonymousreply 8211/19/2020

Disregard r82

by Anonymousreply 8311/19/2020

Our local supermarket has an efficient curbside service but paper products, cleaning and laundry supplies, and soft drinks are now in-store purchases only.

by Anonymousreply 8411/19/2020

Went to Walmart in Linden NJ and the toilet paper was gone and they only had what I think is their brand of paper towels. Headed to ShopRite in Woodbridge and the toilet paper aisle was pretty bare. I’m going to try the Walmart in Edison tomorrow. I have a big pack of Scott’s paper but I need to buy a couple more for my mom and brother. They both live in Brooklyn and it’s harder for them to go out shopping especially since they’re very close to borough park. I don’t want my mom going out and exposing herself. During the worst of the first wave I would drop off groceries for them. I would just call them when I was in front of their building and they would come out and grab the stuff out of the trunk. It seems like I might start doing that again soon.

by Anonymousreply 8511/19/2020

Can you call the store to confirm it's stocked with paper goods?

A whiteboard in front of the store listing sold out products and customer buying limits helps in different ways.

The infection is getting out of control in Jersey again, we need to be home not running from one store to the next when the product isn't even in stock.

by Anonymousreply 8611/19/2020

Do places still have bleach? I need some but I haven't been shopping due to Covid fatigue, now I'm out. I'm in the Chicago area and don't want to go to more than one store.

by Anonymousreply 8711/19/2020

I always found bleach at the dollar tree. I like the gay bleach in the bottle with a rainbow on it's packaging.

by Anonymousreply 8811/19/2020

Is Dollar Tree bleach too weak?

by Anonymousreply 8911/19/2020

Its weaker than Clorox. Clorox is the best but it is not always available at dollar tree.

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by Anonymousreply 9011/19/2020

I really don't understand why they can't allow the order of cleaning supplies for curbside pickup. They could allot a certain number for curbside, still making it first order first served.

by Anonymousreply 9111/19/2020

R86 a lot of stores have prompts that say they cannot give you in stock information over the phone. They seemingly don't want to be stuck fielding calls all day.

by Anonymousreply 9211/19/2020

Where's the DL Bleach Troll who has answers to all bleach questions? I suspect the Dollar Tree bleach is not strong enough to kill Rona.

by Anonymousreply 9311/19/2020

R85, check out the link at R42. A search told me that they have it available at this location:

Walgreens 833 ROOSEVELT AVE833 ROOSEVELT AVE CARTERET, NJ 07008 (2.35 mi)

Not sure how far that is from you.

by Anonymousreply 9411/19/2020

I understand that r92. Stores seem to be short staffed as it is. I'm worried the store hopping will increase exposure to the infection. Don't want to be running from store to store, waiting in long lines only to find the product is not stocked.

by Anonymousreply 9511/19/2020

home depot has lots of bleach. I think I need another bottle. I down to to medium sized bottles. one more and i think i will be ok. these things have expiration dates and loses efficacy over time. so no need to stock up too much.

by Anonymousreply 9611/19/2020

[[quote] don’t want my mom going out and exposing herself.

Trust me ... none of us wants that.

by Anonymousreply 9711/19/2020

Lol 😂. She’s a big prude so we don’t have to worry about that ever happening

by Anonymousreply 9811/19/2020

R98 you never know what people will do when they're desperate for that good TP!!!

by Anonymousreply 9911/19/2020

I’m in danger of being crushed by my toilet paper hoard. I thought I ordered 30 rolls on Amazon, but ordered 300 rolls. Sorry folks, this shortage may have been sparked by me.

by Anonymousreply 10011/19/2020

I don't understand why stores like Walmart and Target stop delivering things like TP and PT whenever it gets most dangerous for people to physically have to go to the stores for items now pick up only that were available for delivery when it was much safer to actually go to the stores. It's like they all have it backwards.

by Anonymousreply 10111/19/2020

I only go look for toilet paper when I’m going to the store to buy stuff I need. If I was store hopping there are so many other stores I would have gone to. I live in an area where there is no shortage of big stores. I go out only to buy groceries and pick up prescriptions. If I don’t find paper for my mom tomorrow then I’ll just wait until my next grocery run.

The Walmart grocery pick up I have used is great. Except for a couple of things they said they didn’t have from my list everything went smoothly. With the app I was able to check in before arriving. Once I got to the pick up area they said they would bring my groceries out. I didn’t have to call to let them know I was there. I will use that again if need be. The only problem is certain items like the elusive toilet paper and cleaning supplies are never available for pick up. I get it that when stuff is flying off the shelves it’s hard for them to keep an up to the minute count on stuff. It would be great to know if they have stuff in stock before heading out and I could call to see if it’s in stock but that won’t guarantee it’ll be there when I arrive. I thought the Walmart had it in stock when I first went in because I saw someone walking around with a pack in their cart but when I got to the aisle the shelves were empty. I asked and they said they were out. I will go to the Walmart that was better stocked this spring and hopefully they have some. If not I’m going to start cleaning my sock drawer out come winter.

by Anonymousreply 10211/19/2020

Is this not common sense in the midst of a fucking global viral pandemic? If you're working a register, shut the fuck up with the small talk and pay attention to the lines in the store!

by Anonymousreply 10311/19/2020

Costco has been wonderful about delivery. I order from them online and they deliver. I'm in good shape. All I care about is eggs and milk. and fresh salad greens. Maybe vegetables that don't spoil too fast like broccoli and brussel sprouts.

by Anonymousreply 10411/19/2020

Walgreens has TP available for shipping again.

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by Anonymousreply 10511/19/2020

This is silly. All this panic shopping. It was pretty obvious all Summer and through September, that people were not doing what they should do. And those fucking Trump rallies really were superspreader events. So as we watched the virus not abating, and saw more and more cases creeping up, and the Docs on TV warning us that with flue season coming things were going to get worse, people should have figured it out a month ago. I get it that maybe a person's cash flow might be a reason to wait to shop until we are in the throes of this shit. But IMO that is the only excuse that's legit. Because how much money you can send impacts how and when you shop. But for people who were blissfully careless, I have no sympathy. Wipe your ass with a newspaper.

by Anonymousreply 10611/20/2020

I have plenty of TP, but I'm worried because my bidet toilet seat has stopped working.

by Anonymousreply 10711/20/2020

When R106 isn't posting here, he's outside yelling at clouds...

by Anonymousreply 10811/20/2020

r107 if worse comes to worst, jump in the shower.

by Anonymousreply 10911/20/2020

Aside from wipes and Lysol, I think the shortages will be, well, shorter. Manufacturing of things like paper products has caught up. The bumps are now in distribution and hopefully will be cleared in days or a week, not months.

by Anonymousreply 11011/20/2020

How much TP do I need per month to wipe my ass?

by Anonymousreply 11111/20/2020

You tell us R111.

by Anonymousreply 11211/20/2020

"They" say you can use on average about one roll of TP a week. I now have 65 weeks worth of Toilet paper. I have more than 40 rolls of paper toweling. I have 6-7 bottles of Lysol and Clorox spray. The one thing I worry I'll run out of is dishwashing soap.I have 8 large bottles.

by Anonymousreply 11311/20/2020

During the early days of the pandemic when there was no TP anywhere for months, I started logging in a notebook every time I changed the roll because I never really thought about how long a roll lasts. I had just bought an 8 pack and was trying to estimate when things would reach a crisis. A roll of Scott lasts me 6-8 days.

by Anonymousreply 11411/20/2020

Keep in mind that many of the TP companies started changing the amount you get on each roll... so what you were getting at the start of the pandemic might be a lot more than you're getting when you buy TP now.

by Anonymousreply 11511/20/2020

Scott is still the same. I just got some and have some still from when I hoarded (oops I mean purchased some) in March. It's the same.

by Anonymousreply 11611/20/2020

Scott isn't the same...I haven't used it in years but did so recently and it's even thinner now.

by Anonymousreply 11711/20/2020

The rolls I bought yesterday are identical to the ones I bought in March of this year. So maybe if you have rolls from years ago something changed. But that's not what we were discussing.

by Anonymousreply 11811/20/2020

I think you can stop now, R113.

by Anonymousreply 11911/21/2020

Well, we didn't always have toilet paper for chrissakes! Oh. I have a suggestion brought to me by my sister. A lot of people are in trouble with food insecurity. Lots of people. So I urge you to do one of two things...or both: First, check your pantry. Do you have canned goods or dry goods that are on the verge of expiring before you'll be able to use them? Check. Set them aside to donate to a local food pantry. And when you shop, pick up a few cans of soup or beans or a bag of rice or a box of oatmeal or other cereal. It won't break you. Donate to a local pantry. Thanks to Donald Trump people are running out of cash, unemployment, etc and it is getting real bad out here.

by Anonymousreply 12011/21/2020

Do you guys over there not have home delivery?

by Anonymousreply 12111/21/2020

Not everyone wants the added fees involved with home delivery. Nor do they want the hassles that can ensue.

by Anonymousreply 12211/21/2020

Yes, it's such a tremendous challenge to sit on your FAT ASS and have someone bring something to your door!

The horrors!

by Anonymousreply 12311/21/2020

Actually, someone delivering bags ad bags of groceries to my front door (if I had a front door) would be a little slice of heaven.

I'm so busy with my job as a village Covid Contact Tracer I barely have the energy to heat up a bowl of stone soup when I get home from traipsing all over the village. But, on the plus side, all the extra walking has given me a hot ass and great legs!

by Anonymousreply 12411/21/2020

Are any of you wearing goggles while shopping?

by Anonymousreply 12511/21/2020

R125, I do. I was using a face shield awhile ago but the one I had was too difficult to see out of. I haven't found a better alternative.

by Anonymousreply 12611/21/2020

[quote]First, check your pantry. Do you have canned goods or dry goods that are on the verge of expiring before you'll be able to use them?

People also need to be aware that just because a canned item has an expiration date, it doesn't mean its expired. A majority of canned items are good years beyond their expiration dates as long as the can isn't damaged.

by Anonymousreply 12711/21/2020

I get angry grocery shopping. So many are not taking wearing masks, or wearing masks properly, seriously. Some are rude to those that do.

This won't change.

by Anonymousreply 12811/21/2020

When I walked into Target yesterday, the guy who was wiping down the carts was hacking up a lung.

Great way to start your shopping trip.

by Anonymousreply 12911/21/2020

[quote]I was using a face shield awhile ago but the one I had was too difficult to see out of. I haven't found a better alternative.

How can it be hard to see out of a clear face shield? Did you forget to take the protective film off like in that video at the beginning of the pandemic?

by Anonymousreply 13011/21/2020

yes, i have to say that Target is the only place where they are cleaning the carts. I've seen it with my own eyes and they were even cleaning the handles of the escalator.

by Anonymousreply 13111/21/2020

R4, r3 here. I bought my 4th shelving unit for foodstuffs and cleaning items, a couple plastic lidded storage bins, plus dish detergent, Windex and other assorted cleaners, anti-bacterial hand-wipes and -soaps, etc.

There were no Clorox or Lysol wipes.

by Anonymousreply 13211/21/2020

Most interesting as some R122 as over here in the UK some retailers don't charge or the charge a modest delivery fee.

I've not been into a store since March 2020. I've had all of my food delivered.

by Anonymousreply 13311/21/2020

I found TP at the Walmart in Edison NJ. I bought a pack and that should be enough to get through a few months. I usually buy when it’s on sale but just wanted an extra pack because I see more restrictions on indoor gatherings and I don’t want to stand in line to enter the supermarket during the cold months ahead. I bought enough frozen vegetables, canned beans, dry beans, rice and shelf stable milk cartons. Now I only need to buy groceries online and use whatever I have in my reserves.

by Anonymousreply 13411/21/2020

R134, everyone is doing basically what you described, hence the inventory shortages. No judgement....we all do what we must.

by Anonymousreply 13511/21/2020

r126, as mentioned above, there is a protective film on shields. Some will have them on both sides. Wear a dark mask so it doesn't reflect inside the shield.

by Anonymousreply 13611/21/2020

Idiots entering stores with face guard but no mask should be executed in the parking lot.

by Anonymousreply 13711/21/2020

R136 I'm aware of the film... the ones I have had the film removed and it was still too difficult to see out of.

by Anonymousreply 13811/21/2020

I got some face shields from Costco a couple months ago, and they were awful. They were cloudy. They weren't clear plastic and they were very difficult to see out of.

by Anonymousreply 13911/21/2020

I got a face shield at Staples and it fogs up like a bathroom mirror. I walk around half blind as it is because my glasses fog up with my mask on and I will not take that mask, double masks actually off for any reason. I'm so fucking thirsty when I'm out for hours because I no longer carry water as I will not lift the mask to drink. It's slight suffering for sure to do the right thing for all these months but I wish all those who refuse to do right death, a painful one too.

by Anonymousreply 14011/21/2020

The face shield are not the problem. Hell, I wear the mask with my sunglasses and it fogs up. Love this site, but there is a lot of disinformation.

by Anonymousreply 14111/21/2020

Too many companies are cranking out face masks and shields as though we were in the midst of a major pandemic.

Too much emphasis on quantity, and too little on quality.

I've tried several, but I always go back to the disposable surgical masks.

by Anonymousreply 14211/21/2020

R140, use a disposable blue face mask. They have a wire along the top from one side to the other. Put on the earpieces first, then put the top of the mask right under your eyes. Press down on the mask wire, all along its entire upper edge, pressing the mask wire down all along the bottom of your eye sockets and across the bridge of your nose. If you look in the mirror, after you press down along the eye sockets, you can see the mask is fitted to your face.

Hold the mask at the bridge of your nose. Then pull the bottom of the mask down to cover your chin.

Put on your eyeglasses or sunglasses on top of the mask.

If you do this correctly, your mask will not slip down as you talk, and there won’t be gaps around your nostrils, because your face will be covered from the lower eyelids to the chin. Gaps around the top of the mask are what causes the fogging.

Try blowing air out through the top of the mask. If you can feel air hitting your eyes, go back and press down along the mask’s upper wire from one side to the other again. You don’t have to press hard, just make sure you press down the entire length from end to end and don’t miss any spots. You won’t have fogging.

Look at the man in the image. See how the mask is contoured to his face? That’s what you want, although it looks like he’s got an air gap at the bridge of his nose. Press down all the way across, including the bridge. Once your mask is set, it won’t move and your glasses won’t fog up.

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by Anonymousreply 14311/21/2020

Here’s an example of somebody who is not pressing down on the wire. Look how loose the top of her mask is. It goes straight across with no fitting.

As she talks, that mask is going to slip down because it’s not secured to her face. This loose fit is what causes the fogging up too. People’s faces have inward dents around the nostrils, you have to make sure the mask is high enough so there are no air gaps right above the nostrils. I see reporters wear their masks like this woman’s all the time. As they talk, the mask is slipping down continually until it slips below the nostrils and their nose is exposed.

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by Anonymousreply 14411/21/2020

Your mask should never be this low, ever. She needed to set the mask right under her eyelids, then pull the mask down to cover her chin. This mask is going to slip off her nose the second she starts talking.

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by Anonymousreply 14511/21/2020

Went to my local WallyWorld and the huge 144 roll rafts of TP wer gone.

Out of fear I bought two 12 count Cottonelle High Abrasion Extra Cleaning and Exfoliating High Definition Wavy TP.

It was like buying quarter sheet sandpaper for my sander.

by Anonymousreply 14611/21/2020

I should have said, she should have set the mask right under her lower eyelids, then hold the mask at the bridge of her nose, while pulling down the lower edge of the mask to cover her chin. This unfolds the accordion folds of the mask to cover the entire face.

by Anonymousreply 14711/21/2020

Why is someone explaining how to put on a surgical mask? Is someone here brain dead? People that don't wear their masks correctly are doing it on purpose not because it's a technology beyond their comprehension. And, that little wire across the top does not keep your glasses from fogging no matter how much you form it to your face. Most of the surgical masks don't have the wire all the way across anyway. Just a couple inches by the nose. I could literally shove the mask into my eyeballs and it will still fog my glasses up.

If you want to stop fogging, rub a very tiny amount of Dawn dishwashing soap on your all sides of your lenses and let it dry. Then, buff it off with a soft cloth like you would wax on a car. It works 100% for about 4-5 hours.

by Anonymousreply 14811/21/2020

wash your glasses in hot soapy water to prevent fogging up!

by Anonymousreply 14911/22/2020

The problem for me with masks is that I'm Asian, and generally Asians don't have prominent nose bridges, so that wire configuration doesn't really work. When I work, I have to wear a KN95 (the Asian N95) and a surgical mask over it, my Px glasses and either goggles (Asian fit- I've wasted money on 4 goggles that gap at nose bridge) or a face shield over that. Antifog solution works to some degree, but it's not ideal.

I found that if I'm super hydrated, I generate more vapor, so I won't drink any liquids at work at all (I try to super hydrate before and after work). I'm sure that won't work when it's hot and humid though. I purchased these shields (made for dentists) and they're great. Get the extra thick replacements shields though.

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by Anonymousreply 15011/22/2020

I've seen people use a bandaid to seal the top of the mask so their glasses won't fog.

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by Anonymousreply 15111/22/2020

All that exfoliation, r146 !

Your ass is going to end up as smooth as a baby's bottom or as rough as grandma's hands.

Maybe you should try scrubbing the bathtub with that paper.

by Anonymousreply 15211/22/2020

It should be mentioned that not all disposable masks are created equal. Some are cheaply made and will fit poorly no matter what you do. Throughout the pandemic I've mostly bought mine from a medical supply website and they've been of better quality than the ones I've tried from Target and other places.

by Anonymousreply 15311/22/2020

Masks are made with the "one size fits all" mentality.

Works as well as "one size fits all" socks or gloves.

If the mask is too loose, try criss-crossing or knotting the ear loops on the disposable masks.

by Anonymousreply 15411/22/2020

r151, what a great hack. I just ordered some black sports tape (I have black masks so they don't reflect inside the shield) and will report back.

r154, I have a mask keeper that pulls my mask as tightly as it can, and air still escapes.

by Anonymousreply 15511/22/2020

My county last night sent out a health warning that infection rates here have reached "dangerous levels" and that, among other things, "Customers are advised to opt for pickup and delivery when possible." I've never done that before, but I guess I will this week.

by Anonymousreply 15611/22/2020

I buy surgical masks at Costco and Sam’s Club and the wire goes all the way across.

by Anonymousreply 15711/22/2020

R156, what state are you in? That’s the first time I’ve heard that.

by Anonymousreply 15811/22/2020

Michigan.

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by Anonymousreply 15911/22/2020

R159, at least you state has the balls to tell the truth. A lot of states can’t say that because the governors would lose their jobs.

Last summer, I kept having this vision of a police car in winter, driving around neighborhoods with a speaker saying, “stay inside! Stay in your homes!” I thought it was my brain’s hyperbole, but we’re almost there in some places.

by Anonymousreply 16011/22/2020

On the speakers at the Walmart parking lot they have the continual announcement to safely distance yourself and other announcements. It reminds my of the old sci-fi movies where over the speaker they are telling people to stay in a single line, don't talk, etc. For me it is rather creepy.

by Anonymousreply 16111/22/2020

R161, they have that at my local Walmart too, in Nevada. I go right when they open, and it’s quiet and you can hear it pretty distinctly. It does remind me of a science fiction movie. The next scene would be Will Smith driving through deserted streets, or Frannie in The Stand.

by Anonymousreply 16211/22/2020

I shop early mornings when crowds are fewer. Still, it is so discomforting. I wear a mask, try to social distance, have wet wipes and handsanitizer in the car to use. When I get home, I wash the hands, then the face, then my eyeglasses. Then I wipe down the groceries, dispose of bags, wash hands again.

There was this deplorable bitch that hissed as she walked by me in Walmart over a month ago and turned around and looked after she passed. I started to confront her, but walked on. I had a shield over my mask.

I detest Walmart. But they had an item I need that was not available anywhere else close by.

by Anonymousreply 16311/22/2020

In Illinois we got an emergency alert sent out to our phones on Friday when new restrictions started. It was that blaring emergency signal.

It's going to be so telling, when all of this is said and done, what a huge difference there will be in illnesses and deaths per capita between Democratic states and Repug states. Even though most of the population is in blue states, we're going to end up with much less death in the end. And, when they look even deeper, it will be the red parts of those blue states that had much more death per capita than the blue cities. Of course, the kicker will be that the red idiots will be too fucking stupid to understand what they did.

by Anonymousreply 16411/22/2020

Remember when this video from China in early 2020 seemed like something that could never happen here?

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by Anonymousreply 16511/22/2020

Taiwan has no fucking cases. Taiwanese can go to school, concerts and restaurants without fear.

By Making America Great Again, do you think they mean third world?

Mission accomplished.

by Anonymousreply 16611/22/2020

Costco sold out of TP and paper towels for weeks again.

Whoever in the shopping thread last April who told me that “People aren’t hoarding hysterically, they all just have to change how they get food and supplies now” was full of shit.

That doesn’t explain these families I see load up their shopping carts with six Costco packs of paper towels.

That’s enough to last 6 months!

COVID cannot stop the manufacture and distribution of most products. People are just being hysterical pigs.

My housemate still hasn’t used 90% of the canned and driy goods he hoarded last March.

by Anonymousreply 16711/22/2020

🤓 If you wear glasses, you're basically screwed when it comes to face masks.

by Anonymousreply 16811/22/2020

Why, r168? I don't feel...screwed.

by Anonymousreply 16911/22/2020

You can’t place your glasses over the tip of the mask like I do with sunglasses all the time?

by Anonymousreply 17011/22/2020

I wear sunglasses and if the mask is tight enough your glasses won't fog up. I do what R154 suggested.

by Anonymousreply 17111/22/2020

Really, a little bit of Dawn dish soap rubbed on the lenses, left to dry for a few seconds, and then buffed off will create a no fog lens for 4-5 hours. Easy. You can even keep some in your car or your bag. You will never have fogged lenses again.

by Anonymousreply 17211/22/2020

If your glasses are fogging up the mask is not tight enough R172. You want the mask as tight as possible around your nose so it will be effective.

by Anonymousreply 17311/22/2020

I bought a Castle Grade mask, but I can still smell with it on. I thought for a true perfect seal, you shouldn't be able to smell with it on. I put a cloth mask underneath and then wear it over that, and that seems to do the trick, but why can't I wear it by itself with no problem?

by Anonymousreply 17411/22/2020

My gawd people, just slap the mask on your face and call it a day.

by Anonymousreply 17511/22/2020

R173, almost no one in everyday life is wearing medical grade masks like that with an airtight seal. This is the real world.

by Anonymousreply 17611/22/2020

R174, where did you hear that? It’s not the smell that’s the issue, it’s how good the filter is. I’ve worn N95 masks when I was stripping furniture (pre-Covid), and it never stopped me from smelling the stripper. It’s supposed to filter out virus, not smells.

I have a Castle grade mask myself, and that’s a very heavy mask. That’s about as good as you’re going to get these days.

by Anonymousreply 17711/22/2020

[quote]It’s not the smell that’s the issue, it’s how good the filter is. I’ve worn N95 masks when I was stripping furniture (pre-Covid), and it never stopped me from smelling the stripper. It’s supposed to filter out virus, not smells.

Strip out the word "furniture" in this sentence and it takes on a whole new meaning.

by Anonymousreply 17811/22/2020

I've bought Dollar Tree Bleach and Dollar General bleach forever. Works for me!

by Anonymousreply 17911/22/2020

I did my usually Sunday morning 7AM grocery pickup at Walmart today, and while there was only one other person in the pickup lot, the regular parking lot was PACKED! Maybe doing Thanksgiving shopping, but I was really shocked at how much more crowded it was than usual.

by Anonymousreply 18011/22/2020

I saw a meme online and it was so funny...don't recall the exact words but it was about online shopping...the best way this guy liked to do online shopping was to shout out what he needed and just wait a while for the online ads for those items to appear in the ads on his social media lol.

I've experienced that a few times myself...I started seeing ads for wipes and other things after posting in some threads on DL.

by Anonymousreply 18111/22/2020

Target in nyc is closing at 10pm instead of 9pm. saw the posting when I went there today. I do not know if they are open for black friday but i've seen them placed several big TVs close to the entrance.

by Anonymousreply 18211/22/2020

AP: Some New Mexico essential businesses have been shut down because of a substantial increase in coronavirus cases.

A new edict announced Thursday allows the New Mexico Department of Health to shut down workplaces for two weeks if they have four or more coronavirus cases in a 14-day period.

More than 20 essential businesses across the state were shut down as of Friday, of which nearly half were grocery stores or major retailers. The closures include two Walmarts in Albuquerque, a Walmart in Santa Fe, a Target in Santa Fe and an Albertson’s in Roswell.

by Anonymousreply 18311/22/2020

I ordered several boxes of the disposable 3 ply masks from Amazon back in the spring when this started, and they were around $30 a piece. I'm still surprised stores like Walgreens are still selling these for $29.99, whereas places like Marc's are selling them for $4.99 a box now.

Seriously, large chain stores in particular, should be offering these for free as a perk for even shopping there in person. That's like having to pay for toilet paper and hand soap when you use their restrooms.

by Anonymousreply 18411/22/2020

Stores should close early to keep us home.

by Anonymousreply 18511/22/2020

[quote]Target in nyc is closing at 10pm instead of 9pm. saw the posting when I went there today. I do not know if they are open for black friday but i've seen them placed several big TVs close to the entrance.

My suburban LA Target is open until 11PM every day. Although now that we have a 10PM curfew, I'm not sure if that will continue.

by Anonymousreply 18611/22/2020

If you are shopping for essentials the curfew does not apply R186. They are trying to curb house parties and multiple gatherings. Are these curfew warnings hard for people to understand?

by Anonymousreply 18711/22/2020

r185 actually think the opposite, when it comes to grocery stores. When the stores are open longer, people have the option to shop late at night and early in the morning when there are fewer people in the store. This reduces the crowds during peak hours. The stores became much less crowded where I live once they extended the hours again. I believe the hours should definitely be expanded during the busy holiday season.

by Anonymousreply 18811/22/2020

[quote] I'm still surprised stores like Walgreens are still selling these for $29.99, whereas places like Marc's are selling them for $4.99 a box now.

As I said earlier - all mask are not created equal. Those $4.99 masks are...$4.99 masks.

by Anonymousreply 18911/23/2020

So what if they work?

by Anonymousreply 19011/23/2020

CVS is trying to peddle the blue disposable face masks for 75¢ EACH.

A few month ago, I bought boxes of 50 masks for $2.99/ free shipping on ebay.

Yes, I stocked up!

by Anonymousreply 19111/23/2020

I remember around May places were charging $30 for boxes of 50 Disposable Masks, like Costco, Sam's, Target. Now those same boxes are under $9.

by Anonymousreply 19211/23/2020

As long they have the 3 layers...the only thing is the ear loop is falls apart easily...if they are poorly made.

I wear 2 disposable masks, have been since day 1. Now I notice a lot more people doing the same.

by Anonymousreply 193Last Tuesday at 4:18 AM

More than 1K workers at world’s top surgical glove maker get COVID-19

The world’s largest maker of surgical gloves is temporarily closing more than half its factories despite record demand — because more than 1,000 employees tested positive for the coronavirus, authorities said Monday.

Top Glove in Malaysia has racked up record profits this year as demand for protective gear skyrocketed during the pandemic.

But more than 1,000 workers tested positive for the coronavirus Monday — accounting for most of the record surge in the country and forcing the company to agree to temporarily shutter 28 of its 41 Malaysian factories.

In total, at least 2,500 cases have been linked to the area’s cluster, officials said.

“Based on advice from the ministry of health, it was agreed at a special meeting today to shut down 28 Top Glove factories … in stages to allow the workers to undergo tests and quarantine,” Defense Minister Ismail Sabri Yaakob said Monday.

Top Glove said in a statement it would “cooperate fully with the relevant authorities to implement the temporary stoppage,” and plant closures had begun.

About 5,700 workers have already been screened and the rest will also undergo tests, it said.

Top Glove did not say how the closures would affect its ability to meet orders, with the company able to produce 70 billion gloves a year.

Many of the company’s workers are from Nepal and live in crowded dormitory complexes.

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by Anonymousreply 194Last Tuesday at 4:19 AM

Just want to wish the regulars on this board a Happy Thanksgiving. I’ve appreciated your posts the past few months, they have been super helpful. Stay safe and well.

by Anonymousreply 195Last Wednesday at 1:46 AM

[quote]As long they have the 3 layers...the only thing is the ear loop is falls apart easily...if they are poorly made.

Some of the cheap ones are claiming on the box to have three layers, and they even LOOK like they have three layers...but when you actually touch them, you can tell there are only two. They're too thin. There's a TON of scamming going on in mask manufacturing now. If you find a quality brand that works for you, stick with them. There's a lot of inconsistency out there.

The easily torn ear loop can be a problem even on some of the better made ones. I always check to see if the loop is glued under a layer rather than on top of one. The ones that are glued over a layer seem to come loose more easily. It's always a good idea to carry a second mask on your person in case you're out in public and the one you're wearing falls apart on you.

by Anonymousreply 196Last Wednesday at 2:52 AM

You can use expired face masks, and other guidance from the FDA

From CNN's Maggie Fox

Some face masks can be used even if their manufacturer’s expiration date has passed, the US Food and Drug Administration said Tuesday.

The FDA posted extensive new guidance about face masks, surgical masks, and respirators on its website Tuesday, with advice about when to use each kind. "Some are OK to use even if they are old, the FDA said. “Face masks and surgical masks are designed to serve as protective barriers and may still offer some protection even if they are used beyond the manufacturer's designated shelf life or expiration date,” the agency advised. "

Hospitals, clinics, and other health care facilities have reported shortages and problems managing protective personal equipment, including face masks. But certain types should not be re-used, the FDA said.

“The CDC does not recommend the reuse of disposable surgical masks that are intended to be used once. The FDA recognizes that there may be availability concerns with surgical masks during the COVID-19 public health emergency, but there are strategies to conserve surgical masks," it said.

Respirators, such as N-95 masks, are to be used once and should not be washed, but some can be decontaminated and reused. “The FDA has issued Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) for devices that decontaminate certain respirators,” it said.

Mask protection: While the FDA referred frequently to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, its new website doesn’t reference the CDC’s latest guidance that suggests face masks protect the wearers as well as those around them.

“Masks may help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others,” the FDA said. “The CDC recommends people wear face masks in public settings, especially when other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain. Wearing a face mask may limit exposure to respiratory droplets and large particles and may help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus.”

by Anonymousreply 197Last Wednesday at 4:30 AM

r195, on a board that is impressively cunty, that is possibly the meanest statement ever posted.

Happy Thanksgiving to us all!

by Anonymousreply 198Last Wednesday at 10:41 AM

I really haven't experienced any issues shopping throughout this entire pandemic. On March 11 as I walked home from work I got a 4 pack of TP and a few items. The next day it seemed like there would be a shut down so I made a list and went shopping Saturday March 13. I stocked up on much more food than usual - enough for 2 weeks. - which is a lot to hand carry home. No 4 packs of Scott TP remained so I bought 4 singles and started my lock down with 9 rolls.

My small grocery store is usually pretty empty and has had all I needed in terms of food and later got restocked with sundries. I was even able to get my surgical masks there. They use safety protocols and I feel comfortable shopping there. I have avoided Whole Foods and any other larger stores like CVS. I finally after all this time went to the bank for cash last week and the bank was empty except for me and 2 tellers. Now I have cash to give tips to have someone run errands for me.

[quote] It's always a good idea to carry a second mask on your person in case you're out in public and the one you're wearing falls apart on you.

I never even thought to do this simple thing despite all the care I've been taking. Thank you, R196. I actually had a dream that I was out and forgot my mask. LOL!

by Anonymousreply 199Last Wednesday at 11:16 AM

[quote]I made a list and went shopping Saturday March 13.

March 13 was a Friday. It was the last time I went to my Friday AA meeting and then ate at my usual Friday after-meeting pizzeria. Yes, March 13 was a Friday.

by Anonymousreply 200Last Wednesday at 11:19 AM

R196, the 3 ply disposable medical masks I've been getting for $4.99 / box for 50 in a box from Marc's are indeed 3 layers. I just cut some open to confirm this. They have multiple "brands", but the packaging clearly states they were made in China. But at 10 cents per mask, I would rather toss them after each use. Some people I know are re-using the disposable masks several times due to the higher cost other places are selling boxes of these for.

by Anonymousreply 201Last Wednesday at 11:21 AM

So glad us gays don’t eat!

by Anonymousreply 202Last Wednesday at 11:27 AM

How many of you wear multiple layers of masks and filters?

I do.

by Anonymousreply 203Last Wednesday at 12:16 PM

I haven't R203, but I like the idea. It is hard finding surgical mask so if I have to buy non surgical mask I will double up.

by Anonymousreply 204Last Wednesday at 12:19 PM

I generally wear a cloth mask that has two layers of cloth, both sides of which have a lining (so 4 layers) and then I add a filter and then wear a disposable mask under it.

I'm sure I'm nuts, but I don't care.

by Anonymousreply 205Last Wednesday at 12:21 PM

At work (film), I have to wear a KN95 (the Chinese equivalent of N95, which they won't order due to deference to medical workers), a surgical one over that, prescription glasses, a shield and a gown.

On my own, I wear a cloth mask and super large aviators/safety glasses (I'm convinced droplets can go into your eyes too). Too chicken to wear actual goggles.

by Anonymousreply 206Last Wednesday at 12:39 PM

R206 I wear protective glasses too, it's been proven that the droplets can get into your eyes. I'd wear actual Goggles if I could find a good pair.

by Anonymousreply 207Last Wednesday at 1:03 PM

I resisted but I may pickup a plastic shield to go over the mask.

So tired of this but cannot afford to be ill.

by Anonymousreply 208Last Wednesday at 3:08 PM

R208, as posted above I wear multiple masks and glasses... I'd wear a shield too if I could find a decent one I could see out of. I don't give a shit about what other people think. I won't be pressured into sacrificing my health just because others can't take theirs seriously.

by Anonymousreply 209Last Wednesday at 3:11 PM

R210. A nearby town is in quarantine again. Hospital beds full. I wear masks but don't feel protected.

by Anonymousreply 210Last Wednesday at 3:17 PM

As far as goggles, bought 5 pair, but ultimately ski goggles were the best ( I had to buy a separate clear sheild).

r209, I got these for work (I'm a makeup artist) and I can see out of them. They're made for dentists, and I would recommend getting the thicker shields (they also make extra wide and extra long shields, but the thinner density):

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by Anonymousreply 211Last Wednesday at 3:34 PM

Thanks, R211!

by Anonymousreply 212Last Wednesday at 3:37 PM

r206 here, to clarify about the ski goggles, I meant I had to purchase a separate clear lens to replace the black lens that came with my goggles.

by Anonymousreply 213Last Wednesday at 3:37 PM

[quote]I never even thought to do this simple thing despite all the care I've been taking. Thank you, [R196]. I actually had a dream that I was out and forgot my mask. LOL!

I learned this the hard way. I was using the first mask from a new box I had just purchased, of a brand I hadn't tried before. Everything seemed right with them but about 3/4 of the way through my shopping expedition one of the loops broke. I was able to hold it together and get through it until it was time to get back in my car, but I've carried an extra ever since. It's a VERY uneasy feeling to be in the middle of a busy store with a broken mask.

R201, if your $4.99 masks are working out, that is good. I bought a box of 20 house brand masks for $6.99 from my local chain supermarket, just to see how feasible they were and upon opening them at home immediately realized they only had two layers, despite what the box said. Just wanted to make people aware that this stuff is going on, so be careful.

by Anonymousreply 214Last Thursday at 5:34 AM

I just got back from my second (and probably last) Whole Foods pickup order. They have such a poor selection of items -- I couldn't find something as basic as buttermilk. No almond paste either. I was able to get both of them from Walmart. I ordered a four-pack of butter croissants, and specified "no substitutions." They gave me a four-pack of VEGAN croissants (which are an abomination.) I ordered a jar of Rao's marinara sauce, and they packed it (with other things) into a flimsy paper bag with no handles; when I got home it slipped out of my hands and broke. What a waste of time and money.

by Anonymousreply 215Last Friday at 5:45 PM

[quote] I couldn't find something as basic as buttermilk. No almond paste either.

[quote] I ordered a four-pack of butter croissants, and specified "no substitutions." They gave me a four-pack of VEGAN croissants (which are an abomination.)

How do you find the will to go on?

by Anonymousreply 216Last Friday at 6:21 PM

[quote]I ordered a four-pack of butter croissants, and specified "no substitutions." They gave me a four-pack of VEGAN croissants (which are an abomination.)

Thoughts and prayers.

by Anonymousreply 217Last Saturday at 3:26 AM

To be fair, they [italic]look[/italic] vegan. A shondeh.

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by Anonymousreply 218Last Saturday at 5:09 AM

I don't eat red meat anymore but a vegan croissant= why bother?

Croissants need lots of good butter in it.

by Anonymousreply 219Last Saturday at 5:17 AM

Went to pick up my turkey dinner at WHole Foods, early Wednesday morning and there weren't 20 shoppers in the store the day be fore thanksgiving at 8:30 AM. Three other people were in line with me. The staff said it would pick up around noon. Went over to Publix, and for the fourth week in a row, no paper toweling. Toilet paper was OK, but they have been out of toweling and dishwashing liquid. Now. For cleaning products? Go to Lowes or Home Depot. The prices are good and they have abundance. Also might find your toweling there. Office Depot is often overlooked. But you can find stuff there are it's not crowded at all. Coffee, Tea, sugar, cleaning products, toweling, toilet paper, snacks, etc.

by Anonymousreply 220Last Saturday at 5:20 AM

I get almost everything by subscription delivery:

Cleaning goods (planet friendly): The Grove

Produce: Imperfect Foods

Toilet paper & paper towels: Who Gives a Crap

Sundries & Dry Goods: Amazon

Prescriptions: my company switched to CVS

The only thing I go out for is fresh bread

by Anonymousreply 221Last Saturday at 5:25 AM

Ah, I forgot to add Dairy to Imperfect Foods

by Anonymousreply 222Last Saturday at 5:26 AM

I'm curious about Imperfect Foods. They do deliver to my area, but I wonder if it would make sense for me (live alone.) Can you give a quick review? (I used to subscribe to Farm Fresh To You -- sort of a CSA -- but it was overpriced and I don't really care about the whole organic thing. My neighbor still uses them, however.)

by Anonymousreply 223Last Saturday at 7:52 AM

r223, I'm single as well, and I think it's worth it. I used to get FF2Y as well, but find IF way more customizable- I don't think that there is a minimum. The only thing that sucks is that you really don't get to pick your delivery window time or day. IF also has meat/fish/chicken choices, snacks, some dairy and pantry goods. They do have bread, but I'm kind of a bread snob.

by Anonymousreply 224Last Saturday at 8:06 AM

Speaking of shopping:

Traffic at stores on Black Friday fell by 52.1% compared with last year. But online spending on Black Friday surged 21.6% to hit a new record.

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by Anonymousreply 225Last Saturday at 12:03 PM

I wonder if I should just buy one of these, and be fucking done with it. Who cares what anyone else thinks ? Given how much I've already spent on masks & gloves, what's another $40.00?

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by Anonymousreply 226Last Saturday at 3:40 PM

^ i have those. They're fine.

by Anonymousreply 227Last Saturday at 5:10 PM

Noticed something strange when it comes to soap refill. I had some hand soap refill from prior to the pandemic and then bought more once it became available again, maybe after June. The refill from prior to the pandemic is fine but the refill from after June was sort of clumpy, like soft gelatin in texture. A little firmer than hand sanitizer. I thought it was just the one bottle, but I opened up two others and they're the same.

by Anonymousreply 228Yesterday at 4:16 PM

Companies have shrunk and turned their products to shit under cover of the pandemic. I hope they are prosecuted for profiteering, price gouging, and fraud when this is all over.

by Anonymousreply 229Yesterday at 4:29 PM

Our supply chain is fucked up for a variety of reasons, and demand has outstripped the ability to respond. So I have also noticed changes in familiar products.

by Anonymousreply 230Yesterday at 4:32 PM

R230, I don't think a lot of it is supply chain. Let's just take crackers. They shrunk the boxes and the number of crackers in each sleeve. Now, imagine what it took for them to do that. They needed to redesign the packaging. Redo all the machines. Rewrite whatever computer code runs the machines. Bought all new packaging. Retrain the people running the machines. Get new wholesale shipping boxes. Let all the grocery stores know because they have very exacting planograms as to product placement on the shelves and if the size changes, so does the needed space.

So, instead of just upping production to meet demand, they took a couple of months and did all of this first...under cover of pandemic panic buying. Same goes for toilet paper and paper towel producers. They all shrunk their products. That didn't happen overnight.

They are fucking criminals and since Repugs believe corporations are people, I'm sure the "party of law and order" (excuse me while I choke on the hypocrisy!) will be looking into putting these criminals in prison, right? What kind of cell do we put Kraft and Proctor & Gamble in?

by Anonymousreply 231Yesterday at 4:40 PM

One of our local food distributors has opened to the public as a result of the pandemic and all the restaurant closures/lockdowns. I remember going there as a teenager once in a while when I worked at a pizza shop and they were running low on certain items. They were basically in "panic mode" back in spring, and immediately started offering curbside delivery of bulk goods back then.

by Anonymousreply 232Yesterday at 4:42 PM

r224 Thanks. I'm going to give it a try. My first delivery is this Friday, and tomorrow is when I get to decide what's in my first box. Should be fun!

by Anonymousreply 233Yesterday at 6:17 PM

Excellent, r233, let me know what you think!

by Anonymousreply 23416 hours ago

Has anyone tried both misfit foods and Imperfect foods? I am on the fence about which is better. Considering signing up to avoid the grocery store for the next 2 months. Produce would be my main interest not add ons.

by Anonymousreply 23514 hours ago

They don't have none a that dellivery stuff here in the South. We get Instacart for supermarkets and of course the meal services. But no farm co-ops or Imperfect foods.

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