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Harry Styles is the first male solo cover on Vogue!

Trans is beautiful!

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by Anonymousreply 549February 5, 2021 1:12 AM

He’s not trans. Fuck off troll.

by Anonymousreply 1November 13, 2020 1:15 PM

That's one of the most ridiculous outfits I've ever seen. Ugh - enough of this stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 2November 13, 2020 1:16 PM

He’s so obvious. He’s desperate for attention.

by Anonymousreply 3November 13, 2020 1:28 PM

OP's logic is classic trans idiocy.

by Anonymousreply 4November 13, 2020 1:29 PM

Love that.

by Anonymousreply 5November 13, 2020 1:30 PM

If you want to be authentic or individual, come out. But he has nothing to come out about, he’s a bland straight guy desperate to be David Bowie for some reason.

by Anonymousreply 6November 13, 2020 1:30 PM

Whatever he's doing, he shoulda been put through a Silkwood shower first.

by Anonymousreply 7November 13, 2020 1:35 PM

He is something that starts with a T -- thirsty.

by Anonymousreply 8November 13, 2020 1:43 PM

Not making momma's messy moist.

by Anonymousreply 9November 13, 2020 1:45 PM

He’s losing his hair.

by Anonymousreply 10November 13, 2020 1:45 PM

Been there. Still do that. And no drab.

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by Anonymousreply 11November 13, 2020 1:50 PM

I'm a Harry Styles fan, and I also think androgyny can be cool. This is NOT cool. That actual outfit is fucking atrocious. The dress, ugh with the shirred bodice. It's so "Little House On The Prairie" meets "Best Little Whorehouse In Texas."

He looks like shit.

by Anonymousreply 12November 13, 2020 1:52 PM

So fed up of this attention-seeking fool

by Anonymousreply 13November 13, 2020 1:52 PM

Does he have any idea how ridiculous he looks?

by Anonymousreply 14November 13, 2020 1:53 PM

I am happy he is having his moment but he is fug, with a little pig nose, and he can’t sing.

by Anonymousreply 15November 13, 2020 1:55 PM

I don't get his drag thing. No one wants it, no one expects it from him. It's not 'edgy'- it's perplexing.

When you're a fey, pretty boy emo crooner- it's probably not a good idea.

by Anonymousreply 16November 13, 2020 2:14 PM

Harry Styles is trolling gay people and some of the lower IQ gays constantly fall for it.

by Anonymousreply 17November 13, 2020 2:55 PM

He looks ridiculous. And unintentionally humorous.

by Anonymousreply 18November 13, 2020 3:04 PM

Did Scarlett O'Hara make that costume for him out of the living room curtains?

by Anonymousreply 19November 13, 2020 3:05 PM

How quickly we forget. Brian Jones looks quite fetching in a trampy sort of way.

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by Anonymousreply 20November 13, 2020 3:47 PM

What about meeeeeeeeeeeee?!

by Anonymousreply 21November 13, 2020 3:54 PM

Swaddled in fabric, no intensity, no interesting poses, no idea how to work it. Now I truly believe he is 100% straight.

by Anonymousreply 22November 13, 2020 3:55 PM

Victoria Beckham must be shitting herself...Anna Wintour is just trolling her at this point, putting anyone on the cover but her.

by Anonymousreply 23November 13, 2020 3:58 PM

I want to be Harry or at least do him, he has such a charmed life why is life so unfair.

by Anonymousreply 24November 13, 2020 4:16 PM

It looks stupid. Not attractive Not appealing Not even comical.

by Anonymousreply 25November 13, 2020 4:24 PM

The photographer is pitiful.

by Anonymousreply 26November 13, 2020 4:30 PM

Brad Pitt did it better

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by Anonymousreply 27November 13, 2020 4:35 PM

Brad is hawt there.

by Anonymousreply 28November 13, 2020 4:48 PM

So blech.

I'm glad he's going bald.

by Anonymousreply 29November 13, 2020 4:50 PM

He's such a handsome guy, but this is all a big joke at this point lol. I mean, he got his first male solo Vogue cover, that's great and will go down in Vogue history - but at what price! So many here have already made good points. Androgyny can be great, but it just doesn't fit him at all - neither his body type (he really doesn't have the lanky frame of David Bowie or Tilda Swinton) nor his whole personality and the vibe he gives off. And in turn it just looks off and makes him and the clothes look weird. When something doesn't fit together at all, it's clear people think only done for attention.

by Anonymousreply 30November 13, 2020 4:52 PM

Back in my day we called it cross-dressing or transvestitism. Do transvestites even exist anymore or all they now "transexuals?" Asking for a friend.

by Anonymousreply 31November 13, 2020 4:57 PM

And it's not even just about the dress on the cover - even the other looks feel like he tries so very hard to be the "quirky Englishman" and it ends up looking contrived, when it would be so very easy to dress him fittingly with his face and body. So much lost potential, also because I really like his voice.

by Anonymousreply 32November 13, 2020 4:58 PM

The pictures are ugly. Why is hyped so much? He seems like a lightweight in terms of talent.

by Anonymousreply 33November 13, 2020 5:05 PM

This thread is proof that Americans still don't feel comfortable with masculine gender-fuck drag.

by Anonymousreply 34November 13, 2020 5:05 PM

R34 yes it's Americans only, when half the world is still trying to accept anything remotely outside of sex norms. I honestly don't think it's about wearing a dress either, but wearing an ugly dress just to prove something. It doesn't come across as authentic at all. What good is making a statement when that statement reeks of commercialism?

I personally think the entire gender bending trend is mostly made up of pousers wrapped in attention seeking faux progressiveness. I don't even know why men would think it's a noble fight to be forced into time consuming routines like women have been.

It reminds me of how gillette wanted to sell more razors so they pushed the idea that female body hair is unsightly -- that's exactly what's going on with this movement -- it's about getting that large untapped share of consumers for makeup, clothing, and other products, previously reserved for women only.

It would be different if it was about being yourself, but it's not. It's about being what's in at the moment and giving more money to companies to support vanity. People want to be brave in this world? Be themselves, not pousers, adopting ridiculous trends that have been a time consuming, expensive, dead weight for women.

by Anonymousreply 35November 13, 2020 5:34 PM

He's been dressing like this for years, how is it it STILL looks like the clothes are wearing him? His team really need to scrap this cosplay of an artist, and actually work out what the actually authentic Harry Styles is, until they do he's still going to be giving 'actor at first costume fitting' looks.

Also, wonder how much Gucci had to pay for this? Must've been a pretty penny, especially given the optics of putting a privileged straight white guy on the cover at this particular moment. I guess they really want him to get that Grammy?

by Anonymousreply 36November 13, 2020 5:39 PM

He's so incredibly boring.

by Anonymousreply 37November 13, 2020 6:01 PM

Great to see Harry making history! All he does is win and all the sad fucks here do is whinge about it.

by Anonymousreply 38November 14, 2020 12:50 AM

'He's so incredibly boring.'

So is your mind and your critiques of Harry and others, over many threads. "He's so boring', 'he looks like he smells' and the homophobic 'he pings to high heaven'. Go and read a few books and get yourself a fucking vocabulary, you dumb slug.

by Anonymousreply 39November 14, 2020 12:51 AM

Well, now his next truly subversive fashion statement would be to wear a classic, well cut, suit and tie.

by Anonymousreply 40November 14, 2020 12:58 AM

R39 You definitely have me mixed up with someone else, because I would never say anyone "pings to high heaven." His sexuality doesn't matter to me at all. And who else have I supposedly critiqued?

by Anonymousreply 41November 14, 2020 2:01 AM

R35 That's an interesting thought about the commercialism of trends and also the difference to people genuinely just being themselves, even if it means going against the grain (with or without dress).

R36 I agree about the "actor at first costume fitting" look. It's hard to say just how much of all of this is authentically him. I was always convinced that if you're truly in your element you fully own your looks, no matter how extravagant. With Harry it doesn't come across like that to me. Maybe it's just me. Or maybe he himself isn't sure these days about all that, which is strange to me, because I didn't have that impression in his younger years.

I'm sure Gucci has good connections with Vogue, but I doubt they paid for Harry on the cover - why him and not any other Gucci testominial like Billie Eilish, Lana Del Rey etc. But Anna Wintour (and Vogue) has spoken highly of Harry for years now, I guess that's also why many of his fans always hoped this would happen. It's also clear that they'll sell TONS of this issue to Harry's fans, so it's a pretty good move for Vogue as well - like Gucci they benefit from Harry, because they can tap into a young, female demographic that is willing to spend money on anything that's connected to him. Many have already ordered a subscription to make sure they get the December issue.

But I really hope he gets his Grammy, maybe ticking that little box will open up the way for not caring about awards in the future.

by Anonymousreply 42November 14, 2020 2:19 AM

R40 That's actually very true! In the article, next to all the stuff he already said verbatim in other interviews, he also emphasises the need to evolve as an artist and how he admires people like Bowie and the Beatles for their specific eras. If he truly means that, I guess he should do something very different for his next era - both aesthetically and musically, since he also said in another interview he thinks every album should not sound like the last. We'll see...

by Anonymousreply 43November 14, 2020 2:27 AM

His team don't need to scrap anything about their approach. His second album has been phenomenally successful. Whatever he's selling, people are buying.

by Anonymousreply 44November 14, 2020 3:01 AM

🎼🎶🎵 The hilllllls are aliiiive with the sound of muuuuuuusic....

by Anonymousreply 45November 14, 2020 3:04 AM

R44 That's true, he's immensely successful right now. He certainly offers something to his audience that they're crazy for. We'll see if his concept also translates into longevity, music that will withstand the test of time and personal fulfilment.

by Anonymousreply 46November 14, 2020 3:16 AM

He is not hot or interesting enough to pull this off.

by Anonymousreply 47November 14, 2020 3:17 AM

He is not hot or interesting enough to pull this off.

by Anonymousreply 48November 14, 2020 3:17 AM

but he doesn't suck dick ?

by Anonymousreply 49November 14, 2020 3:19 AM

I like the hint of tattoos peeking through. It gives the, otherwise rather bland, pic an edge.

by Anonymousreply 50November 14, 2020 4:16 AM

The tranny thing is getting out of control. Men don’t wear dresses. This is sickening

by Anonymousreply 51November 14, 2020 4:20 AM

He’s cute. This doesn’t bother me.

Also, somewhere in the world, Billy Porter has thrown a chair against a wall and that makes me smile.

by Anonymousreply 52November 14, 2020 4:24 AM

All you fraus need to get over this gaybaiter. He and all the others are so harmful to the gay community with this obviously fake "is he or isn't he" bs. Anyone who does that deserves to have their career crash and burn.

by Anonymousreply 53November 14, 2020 4:34 AM

To the old farts on here: you’re not his demographic. Buzz off.

by Anonymousreply 54November 14, 2020 4:36 AM

[quote] He and all the others are so harmful to the gay community

You’re as ridiculous as the trannys.

by Anonymousreply 55November 14, 2020 4:37 AM

Seems like he only has one look

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by Anonymousreply 56November 14, 2020 5:07 AM

R2 Thank you! First of all he’s super basic. Throwing a dress and some make up on him with a pained expression just isn’t the look! Nope. You’re still dull hun!

by Anonymousreply 57November 14, 2020 5:29 AM

Young Thug did this in 2016, and he did it with more balls and style than Vogue (the definition of 'shadow of its former self') and Harry Styles could ever dream of. The moment this photo (of Styles) was snapped and chosen for the cover is the moment the 'man in a dress is edgy and cool' thing died.

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by Anonymousreply 58November 14, 2020 5:37 AM

Young Thug is ugly and practically unknown

by Anonymousreply 59November 14, 2020 9:33 AM

I think it is very brave of Harry to wear a dress, he is obviously friendly towards the gay community.

by Anonymousreply 60November 14, 2020 10:41 AM

It has nothing to do with the gay community. Breeders are all about blurring the gender lines, especially men.

by Anonymousreply 61November 14, 2020 2:43 PM

Seeing him posing in these dresses and such leaves me cold, and strikes me as completely inauthentic. He doesn't look connected to these looks in any way. It comes off as, "Here I am in a crazy outfit, now react." The guys who did that type of thing before him, like Prince, and Bowie, and Jagger actually rocked their looks, for better or worse, and looked completely natural doing so. Methinks he's just baiting.

by Anonymousreply 62November 14, 2020 3:29 PM

This is why we will lose the Senate races in Georgia.

*just kidding

by Anonymousreply 63November 14, 2020 3:56 PM

Before reply I googled this and it seems he's on the cover of American Vogue. Which leads to ask if Anna Wintour took a sick day or something. Come back to the five and dime, Anna Wintour, Anna Wintour... Just... no.

by Anonymousreply 64November 14, 2020 4:27 PM

He’s so plain Jane it’s only white privilege making him some cover boy. See R58 for non poseur look

by Anonymousreply 65November 14, 2020 4:40 PM

I'm a Harry Styles fan, and I also think androgyny can be cool. This is NOT cool. That actual outfit is fucking atrocious. The dress, ugh with the shirred bodice. It's so "Little House On The Prairie" meets "Best Little Whorehouse In Texas."

That's not one of his better looks; he actually looks good in purples & bright pinks so they should've given him some color. Also, the tats clash with the androgyny thing - he's got the body of some 20 year Marine & he's wearing a dress or a blouse - just making him look like some young guy wearing his sister's clothes

by Anonymousreply 66November 14, 2020 5:22 PM

But he’s not androgynous. This is all schtick. It’s so fake. Snd insulting.

by Anonymousreply 67November 14, 2020 5:30 PM

I like the image on the right. The bare chest and straight back gives the image an erotic charge. And his deadpan expression is just right, rather than dead as in most of the other shots. The leather belt and steel (?) attachments give the image a fetish frisson. And the skirt looks like something an angsty 1990s female singer-songwriter might wear, with the torn socks and tennis shoes nicely undercutting the Little Britain "I'm a lady" quality of the other images. I approve.

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by Anonymousreply 68November 14, 2020 5:38 PM

What a joke.

As another poster demonstrated, Styles has one pose and one pose only. He’s a one-dimensional poseur.

He doesn’t rock women’s clothing. It’s a poorly executed joke.

Anna Wintour has COMPLETELY lost it.

by Anonymousreply 69November 14, 2020 5:43 PM

So stunning. So brave.

by Anonymousreply 70November 14, 2020 5:46 PM

So... Men taking things from women again. That's what I'm seeing here.

by Anonymousreply 71November 14, 2020 5:50 PM

Are you against women wearing trousers?

by Anonymousreply 72November 14, 2020 5:51 PM

I love him but he's trying way too hard

by Anonymousreply 73November 14, 2020 5:52 PM

R68 I agree with the pic on the right. I'm not entirely sold on the pose, but at least the skirt is more interesting with the kilt elements and safety pins, which gives it a slight punk edge. The frayed socks and dirty vans add to that. Still don't think it fits Harry's personality, but it's a fashion photo shoot and the photo is better than some other attempts at androgyny, because like R66 I think it's not really for his body type. Or energy. Even the way he moves and carries himself is so very different to someone like Bowie and Prince. And there's nothing wrong with either, why force it? The way he looks like he mentally checked out in most pics doesn't help with the authenticity either.

by Anonymousreply 74November 14, 2020 7:15 PM

WTF is that

by Anonymousreply 75November 14, 2020 7:19 PM

He doesn't seem especially comfortable in his body. Even when trying a sassy hand on hip, he doesn't look right.

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by Anonymousreply 76November 14, 2020 7:20 PM

Even with a more dramatic pose, there's something missing.

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by Anonymousreply 77November 14, 2020 7:21 PM

R73 Yes, he seems like such a good egg, charming and genuinely nice and well meaning. Nobody who met him personally ever had anything to say, but praise for how lovely he was. Good voice too. I wish he would relax a bit when it comes to his image. And maybe keep his stylist as a friend instead of someone he works with lol.

by Anonymousreply 78November 14, 2020 7:21 PM

Say what you will about Ezra Miller, but he is COMMITTED!

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by Anonymousreply 79November 14, 2020 7:22 PM

I still think Harry was at his best when he hosted SNL

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by Anonymousreply 80November 14, 2020 7:25 PM

R80 If SNL was being hosted at The Villages, then sure.

by Anonymousreply 81November 14, 2020 9:12 PM

R76 Look at stuff from before 2017, for example him on stage in 2015, he seemed pretty comfortable with his body and in general with who he was back then, if you ask me.

by Anonymousreply 82November 14, 2020 10:32 PM

'So... Men taking things from women again. That's what I'm seeing here.'

This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. Women claimed ALL men's clothes last century. There's nothing a woman could wear that a man wears that would shock anybody.

Styles and many others just want a world where men can also walk around in whatever garmen they fancy without sparking ridicule or discussions about their gender/sexuality. Same as a woman can wear a trouser suit, shirt and tie without sparking discusion about her gender/sexuality.

None of you get that though! Just all conventional.

by Anonymousreply 83November 15, 2020 1:15 AM

I would love to see him enter into an indie era where he goes back to the slightly punk look he had in 1d around 2014. He could call the album Camden or NW3 and really ramp up all his north London influences. So much great music has come out of there, yet he seems entralled by West Coast Americana and folk at the moment. His writing team are as well.

by Anonymousreply 84November 15, 2020 1:20 AM

Daily Beast isn't having it

[quote]Of course, as a white cisgender man, Styles has the privilege of not having to “think too much about what it means” to put on a dress. However thirst-inducing these photos may be—and, if you ask stan Twitter, the answer is, very—Styles is still an extremely conventional choice for Vogue’s first man. (The glossy, which has been the subject of a few exposés this summer about its lack of inclusion, has lagged when it comes to promoting authentic diversity.)

[quote]Indeed, most of the men Styles listed as influences were gay, bisexual, or at least promoted visual expressions of queerness at a time when it was genuinely edgy to do so. Styles no doubt knows this but refrained from saying anything meaningful about sexuality or gender identity other than, basically: I like to play dress up.

[quote]This is reminiscent of the time a Guardian reporter asked Styles about his sexuality, and he answered, “It’s: who cares? Does that make sense? It’s just: who cares?” Answer: the many jurisdictions around the world where being LGBTQ is outlawed or subject to harshly enforced stigmatization.

[quote]Vogue does not ask him such things, or about his wider political views, yet Styles is propped up by the magazine as an avatar of cultural revolution. Anyway, the images are gorgeous. It looks like everyone had a great time making the cover. Good on Styles for having some fun with his dressing after a quarantine where he admitted to wearing “sweatpants, constantly.” And congratulations to him for being the first solo man on the cover of Vogue. He is just not, by a long shot, the first man to proudly wear a dress—or to have something to say about it.

Do they mean the quarantine he decided to break by driving across Europe for the incredibly essential work of making a music video?

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by Anonymousreply 85November 15, 2020 1:24 AM

90% of Vogue covers are hot young women in their 20s - actresses or models. Harry fits that demographic. They were never going to put 51 year old Billy Porter up there.

by Anonymousreply 86November 15, 2020 1:29 AM

R84 I'd love that, he looked amazing in his 2014 style and I think indie rock would be a good fit. Seems like half the fan edits floating around are set to Arctic Monkey songs anyway. But in reality I think the chances of that happening are extremely slim. His stylist seems hellbent on pushing for (I quote) "risks" and said to Vogue "If Harry played it safe [the fans] would be upset." So I guess going back to something that we know fits him is out of the question?

In terms of music Harry seems to be into Americana and folk, but to go more for soul and funk recently. Vogue said his holiday playlist was Aretha Franklin, Parliament and Stevie Wonder, also: "In the music he has been working on in 2020, Styles wants to capture the experimental spirit that informed his second album" Who knows what that means, maybe more Sunflower Vol. 6 or - God forbid - TPWK. But I guess it hints at Fine Line 2.0, which I'm sure would also make his record label much happier than a way harder selling indie rock album.

by Anonymousreply 87November 15, 2020 6:37 AM

he looks like a guttersnipe.

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by Anonymousreply 88November 15, 2020 6:48 AM

[quote]or to have something to say about it.

...or nothing to say about it.

by Anonymousreply 89November 15, 2020 12:10 PM

is this trans?

by Anonymousreply 90November 15, 2020 12:25 PM

[quote]If Harry played it safe [the fans] would be upset

One sentence which says so much

by Anonymousreply 91November 15, 2020 5:03 PM

R13/R14 has a real issue with gay people who are femme or dress that way. She noted in another thread that a couple of incest-twins showed why people hate gay people, as if they represented gay people as a whole. Oh, they were femme, of course.

F&F this homophobic troll. She has a psychiatric problem full of Trumpian tropes.

by Anonymousreply 92November 15, 2020 11:40 PM

I don't give a shit about One Direction. But I really enjoy Harry's music, he is kind of like Madonna and Beyonce and assembled a talented team of producers, writers, stylists and promoters to give him an edge. He's a social climber which is the most important thing in the pop industry as it gets you the best resources for your career. I tried listening to the other 1D guys solo stuff and they are all forgettable.

by Anonymousreply 93November 16, 2020 12:32 AM

Yes, it was already clear in One Direction, that he had the biggest potential and most charisma and he knew how to form clever and lasting connections. However can't help but chuckle about the comparison to Madonna and Beyonce, when in the years leading up to and at the beginning of his solo career he rather wanted to be Jack White lol.

by Anonymousreply 94November 16, 2020 12:56 AM

Madonna was put together by a committee of one - herself. People forget that she was a dancer who got one single deal. She made it happen. Harry walked into Syco's bosom.

by Anonymousreply 95November 16, 2020 12:59 AM

*a one single deal.

by Anonymousreply 96November 16, 2020 12:59 AM

There's a bitch-slapping queen with razors for cheekbones gnawing on some jealous velvet right now.

by Anonymousreply 97November 16, 2020 1:04 AM

R96 I do agree that Madonna did work hard and unlike Harry and Beyonce had no fame built up from being in a manufactured pop group. Madonna did surround herself with many talented NY artists including Jean-Michel Basquiat, Andy Warhol, Keith Haring, Nile Rodgers, etc. She was very much part of the NY arts culture at the time and her debut album is sonically impressive and quite diverse. She admitted she is not the best singer or dancer but she had passion and ambition and made friends with the right people too.

R94 I made the Madge and Bey comparison because Harry seems focused on this extravagant and glamorous image. Like Beyonce though, Harry's image is very manufactured and calculated, he is media-trained and very good at saying the right thing and not being too offensive to anyone. Madge doesn't give a fuck and does whatever because she worked hard on her own and paid her dues.

by Anonymousreply 98November 16, 2020 1:07 AM

Stunning and brave trans woman.

by Anonymousreply 99November 16, 2020 1:08 AM

It's interesting how in the 90s and 2000s, male solo artists had to be dressed down to be taken seriously. Likely the effects of grunge, alternative rock and hip hop which all demanded for authenticity and living through a struggle. Now, it's become about pretty boys wearing makeup and nail polish, being gay-adjacent and being glittery and pastel like unicorns. And unlike the glam, punk, gothic, New Wave and even hair metal movement of the 70s and 80s, where androgyny and makeup was theatrical and part of the personas the artists created or just innate to the individual. This whole wave of boys dressing like girls and being "soft" just seems pandering and gimmicky like a fad and lacks substance just like that hard gangsta image that was dominant throughout the 2000s did.

by Anonymousreply 100November 16, 2020 1:36 AM

You mustn't remember D'Angelo.

by Anonymousreply 101November 16, 2020 1:41 AM

R100 Interesting observation and well put.

by Anonymousreply 102November 16, 2020 1:47 AM

I’d rather see him than Jared Leto. You know he was pissed it, wasn’t him. Being a Fashion icon and all.

by Anonymousreply 103November 16, 2020 1:55 AM

D'Angelo was masculine and presented as such. Singing about his feelings did not negate that. He was neo-soul which was a throwback to artists like Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke and Donny Hathaway who all had sensitive lyrics. Masculine doesn't mean you aren't emotional. 2pac was pretty sensitive in his lyrics which is why he had a following with many women. Prince was androgynous but still very much male at the same time with his very aggressive and sexual songs.

by Anonymousreply 104November 16, 2020 1:58 AM

This is just asinine. Dumb, void of any art or shock they were going fit.

by Anonymousreply 105November 16, 2020 2:01 AM

R98 On some level I can respect a cleverly calculated image and well-oiled management & PR machine. Get that money, while you can, Harry. Although I wonder if it's image or if he's just one of the typical LA types without substance that really buy into every shallow trend - until the next thing comes along.

by Anonymousreply 106November 16, 2020 2:29 AM

I think this choice has more to do with his contract with GUCCI than anything else. Big nod to R42.

by Anonymousreply 107November 16, 2020 2:36 AM

Harry is pretty young, he spent almost half his life in the entertainment industry already. Like Miley Cyrus, he may not know what his actual identity is anymore and is just trying out new things. It's extremely hard to maintain a level of super stardom nowadays since nobody buys music and COVID-19 affected concert sales too. If Harry wants to stay in the limelight, he has to keep doing all of these PR stunts even if he isn't really into it. I don't see him wanting to be a more underground artist and losing his celebrity status. He seems to really love being in the spotlight.

by Anonymousreply 108November 16, 2020 2:42 AM

[quote]because Harry seems focused on this extravagant and glamorous image

Question is, it is him or his team? I think the quote R87 posted from his stylist about his fans getting upset if he played it safe is quite telling. Would make sense that he still doesn't look at ease dressed up in this stuff if it's actually his team persuading him he needs to dress like this to appease his fanbase.

[quote]he is media-trained and very good at saying nothing

FTFY

by Anonymousreply 109November 16, 2020 2:45 AM

R100 I really don't think anyone is taking Harry seriously though (stans excluded, obviously). Sure, successful as a pop act, but as some kind of authentic artist? Nah.

by Anonymousreply 110November 16, 2020 2:46 AM

Saying nothing is the best route. Harry really took some notes from Beyonce. Being an empty vessel that your stans can project a personality onto. Even their song lyrics are vague and can be interpreted anyway. Notice both had more cheerful and outspoken attitudes during their pop group days, now both seem very stoic, impersonal and quiet and let their PR and the media do the talking for them.

by Anonymousreply 111November 16, 2020 2:57 AM

R110 The media really likes him as well and portrays him as a true artist, who still successfully navigates the pop world. But I wonder if the hyperbole they occasionally use, the comparisons to legends like Bowie or Jagger, might hurt him in the long run for several reasons, also depending on where he'll go with his music.

I actually thought he had potential to become an authentic artist, but maybe that was quite naive.

by Anonymousreply 112November 16, 2020 3:24 AM

The media in general likes to erase or rewrite history. They will hype up every new artist and minimize the impact of older artists who did the same thing generations ago.

by Anonymousreply 113November 16, 2020 3:32 AM

I think he’s actually a Good looking kid. Doesn’t seem as damaged has a lot of them.

by Anonymousreply 114November 16, 2020 3:49 AM

[Quote] Prince was androgynous but still very much male at the same time with his very aggressive and sexual songs.

Prince tooted his ass at the camera while wearing chaps.

by Anonymousreply 115November 16, 2020 3:52 AM

[Quote] D'Angelo was masculine and presented as such. Singing about his feelings did not negate that.

Interesting how you don't mention his disrobing like a starlet.

by Anonymousreply 116November 16, 2020 3:53 AM

He looks ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 117November 16, 2020 3:55 AM

R114 I think he's cute.

by Anonymousreply 118November 16, 2020 4:05 AM

R112 Authentic artists don't tend to get tangled up with Simon Cowell. And sure, one could argue he was young or whatever, but he has never repudiated that part of his career.

Besides, authenticity would need him to have a mind of his own, and I'm not all that convinced he actually does.

by Anonymousreply 119November 16, 2020 4:14 AM

[quote] I don't give a shit about One Direction…

Well don't!

Place it in your own toilet, R93

by Anonymousreply 120November 16, 2020 4:17 AM

D'Angelo and Prince were men who were confident in their bodies and had no issue sexually displaying themselves. I really don't get what's feminine about that. Ancient Greek and Roman male statues certainly weren't feminine looking and neither were all those Renaissance male nudes. Good-looking men with hot bodies like to show it off too just like women.

by Anonymousreply 121November 16, 2020 4:19 AM

[Quote] D'Angelo and Prince were men who were confident in their bodies and had no issue sexually displaying themselves. I really don't get what's feminine about that.

[Quote] It's interesting how in the 90s and 2000s, male solo artists had to be dressed down to be taken seriously. Likely the effects of grunge, alternative rock and hip hop which all demanded for authenticity and living through a struggle. Now, it's become about pretty boys wearing makeup and nail polish, being gay-adjacent and being glittery and pastel like unicorns

Add Andre3000 to the list of men who played with feminity, flamboyance etc.

by Anonymousreply 122November 16, 2020 4:22 AM

His face looks grubby. He's so lacking in testosterone he can't grow a beard.

by Anonymousreply 123November 16, 2020 4:27 AM

I envy him that. I hate shaving.

by Anonymousreply 124November 16, 2020 4:30 AM

Andre 3000 and Snoop Dogg had a flamboyant style but they were more influenced by the 70s pimp culture like Rick James was too. Think Superfly and The Mack and the comedian Katt Williams . Neither are really feminine just flamboyant which is different.

D'Angelo was just a hot guy who sang romantic and sexy songs and had no qualms about showing off his hot body to screaming fangirls. Usher was that too. Even rappers like Tupac and Eminem would perform shirtless on stage for the fangirls.

Now Prince had a naturally androgynous appearance, he was short and had big eyes and a pretty face. Prince permed his hair and wore makeup, high heels and clothing that showed off his form. He sung in a falsetto too. But he was an alpha. His speaking voice was low and deep. He was confident, tough, blunt and no-nonsense. He played basketball in high school and was very competitive. His lyrics were very explicit about his sexual desires for women and fascination with them. He even had a female alter ego named "Camille".

by Anonymousreply 125November 16, 2020 4:35 AM

I am a Larry shipper, a Larry believer if you will.

by Anonymousreply 126November 16, 2020 5:08 AM

He looks ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 127November 16, 2020 6:05 AM

R127 I would exclaim "It's just a photo shoot", but I have seen pics of him IRL carrying women's handbags. I still like him nonetheless. I don't think he really has any interest in wearing dresses on his own time. I think he could rock a kilt for sure.

by Anonymousreply 128November 16, 2020 6:54 AM

This is why 71 million people voted for Trump. Similar to Caitlyn Jenner in 2015-2016...

by Anonymousreply 129November 16, 2020 7:32 AM

R129 If you believe there is any correlation between Harry Styles’ clothes and any presidential election then you must be irretrievably stupid aka conservative.

by Anonymousreply 130November 16, 2020 8:57 AM

R130 There's been more than a fair bit of that around here lately. Anti-Trans non sequiturs, then some blanket or abstract/obtuse political statement is made. Since OP added "Trans Is Beautiful" to the thread, it's attracted the trolls.

by Anonymousreply 131November 16, 2020 10:09 AM

Nothing trans about that picture, only show that clothes are genderless, rags can't define who you are, men can use pretty dresses and still be men. I think that's why they picked Styles, like I said before, he is not that hot or interesting, but he seems to be masculine even on that picture.

by Anonymousreply 132November 16, 2020 10:20 AM

R171 whyy would stupid deplorables/rubes care about some gender bending british “musician” ?

by Anonymousreply 133November 16, 2020 10:22 AM

R133 I haven't the faintest idea, other than they're nutbaggers reacting very badly to androgynous young lads as well, like Damian Hurley. If you post a pic of anyone not rigidly conforming to gender roles, trolls scream trans everywhere. I'm assuming you meant to ask me, R131, as there is no R171 yet.

by Anonymousreply 134November 16, 2020 11:00 AM

[quote] Damian Hurley

is five times as pretty as the Harry, the beardless ragamuffin playing dress-ups

by Anonymousreply 135November 16, 2020 11:30 AM

He was so pretty when 1D started but now is the epitome of AWG. He's not aging well and he's only in his mid 20s.

by Anonymousreply 136November 16, 2020 11:41 AM

R135 Yes, couldn't agree more, Hurley is gorgeous. Styles is cute though.

by Anonymousreply 137November 16, 2020 11:53 AM

R136 Someone on twitter once said he looks too old to drive but also too young to drink. Is this what you mean with AWG?

by Anonymousreply 138November 16, 2020 12:13 PM

R136 He was pretty when 1D started in 2010, but he looked like a 12 year old child, sorry. They all looked quite young for 16/17 year old boys. Harry started to really come into his looks about three years later when he was around 19 and he was absolutely hot in the last years of 1D (2014 and 2015). Maybe not a classically beautiful model face like Damian Hurley, but handsome and very charismatic, which combined with his smile and voice did its magic.

He is still very handsome, he's only a few years older now, nobody loses looks that fast. But for some reason he often insists on styling his hair in unflattering ways or wearing outfits that look silly on him instead of enhancing his appeal. And he lost part of his rascal charisma for some reason. Maybe it's the new "soft boy" image to make him more palatable for his fans, who are deathly afraid of him being a "womaniser". Maybe it's something else, who knows.

In any case most of the "lost looks" perceptions are based on styling and when the movie he films now comes out, where he's styled by a different team that doesn't try to make him "quirky", people will see that.

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by Anonymousreply 139November 16, 2020 1:10 PM

Straight as a circle.

by Anonymousreply 140November 16, 2020 1:48 PM

Nellie Olsen wore that dress better.

by Anonymousreply 141November 16, 2020 1:54 PM

If he really wants to be brave, he should slick back his hair and let us see where his hairline actually is.

by Anonymousreply 142November 16, 2020 2:44 PM

His hair looked dreadful long.

by Anonymousreply 143November 16, 2020 4:00 PM

He's so sassy

by Anonymousreply 144November 16, 2020 4:58 PM

I liked the photo of Harry on the trampoline, but didn't think the cover was very interesting given the importance around it. He has a lovely face, but the clothes are ill-fitted. These fashion people treat him like a doll to play dress up and he lets them. It's hard to tell what he actually likes, given most days he's papped off the clock, he's in sweats. I mean, he's doing a lot right, given his profile has increased dramatically. It's just at a stark contrast to his whole - he doesn't define charts as success, blah blah. It's interesting to watch his career, but I could understand why his 1D fans are feeling less connected to him now. It's all calculated with big hits and big misses, depending on the audience.

by Anonymousreply 145November 16, 2020 5:57 PM

As opposed to his time in a boyband, which was all organic.

by Anonymousreply 146November 16, 2020 6:01 PM

[quote]He's such a handsome guy

He really isn't.

Objectively-speaking, Zayn was the most attractive one of that group, but we live in such a racist society that the obvious is denied.

by Anonymousreply 147November 16, 2020 6:02 PM

The same racist society that made Zayn a big success until he squandered people's good will?

by Anonymousreply 148November 16, 2020 6:06 PM

Zayn could be bigger than Harry but he doesn't want it.

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by Anonymousreply 149November 16, 2020 6:09 PM

Lol threads like this and the Timothee and Froy and BTS threads proves Datalounge is also populated by teenage or college aged girls.

by Anonymousreply 150November 16, 2020 6:09 PM

Or gay men aren't a monolith.

by Anonymousreply 151November 16, 2020 6:11 PM

Zayn doesn't seem easy to control or wants to sacrifice his individuality to the crooked music industry. Unlike the Black American population which is powerful enough in the US to support its own artists. Thete isn't large enough Pakistani diasporic population to keep Zayn's career afloat. Also he's a drug addict and not reliable and his music is inconsistent.

by Anonymousreply 152November 16, 2020 6:12 PM

R152 Oh please, Zayn's no artist either.

by Anonymousreply 153November 16, 2020 6:13 PM

Zayn recently did a cover of "A Whole New World" from Aladdin. Give me a break about "sacrificing individuality."

by Anonymousreply 154November 16, 2020 6:20 PM

R145 I DO get much of what you're saying, but he is still in a contract with GUCCI, as a model and product endorser. He only ever travels with GUCCI luggage (customised, monogrammed Mickey Mouse set) and the only handbags and totes he's allowed to be photographed with happen to be only GUCCI.

It may seem unfair that they treat him as a little dress-up dollars, or fashion plate paper doll, but I'll bet they pay him damn good money to do so. There's a lot of work that is much more alienating and soulless than modelling. styles does wear a lot of casual and sport wear, but even much of that is GUCCI.. He says he adores their suits, and the classic 1957 Horsebit loafers. Naturally they were going to force him into one of their new frocks for the Vogue cover. The

R150 Don't be nasty, Styles is only twenty-two years-old, so what if there are teenagers here? I think that would be expected, and perfectly natural considering the thread. I don't think they're all real girls either. I'm fifty-one years-old myself, BTW.

by Anonymousreply 155November 16, 2020 6:20 PM

He's 26, dear.

by Anonymousreply 156November 16, 2020 6:22 PM

He still looks like he’s reeking of cigarettes and B.O.

by Anonymousreply 157November 16, 2020 6:25 PM

^ had meant dress-up doll, but funnily enough, autocorrect changed to "dress-up dollars" weird, it's like AI now!

by Anonymousreply 158November 16, 2020 6:25 PM

R146 lol true, the boyband was of course manufactured. But the difference is that everyone knew that, nobody expected teenage boybanders from X-Factor to be true artists. Accordingly their concept was focused on fun teenage pop rock, their "friendship" and the personality of the boys - for the latter they had to give them some room to be fairly natural and engaging, because nobody, not even teenage girls, would stan complete robots. It's definitely a difference to his image now as musician and artist.

And of course those boys were nearly constantly in the public eye for 5 years. If he maintained a total fake personality throughout, he's an absolutely incredible actor. So it's not that irrational to assume that those years in the public eye gave people an idea of who Harry Styles is and big differences to now make people wonder.

R147 I didn't even know One Direction when they existed, only heard his solo music last year. But looking at stuff from back then, promo for his first album and now everything for his second album, I wonder as well.

by Anonymousreply 159November 16, 2020 6:28 PM

R158 "dress-up dollars" is perfect lol

by Anonymousreply 160November 16, 2020 6:30 PM

[Quote] And of course those boys were nearly constantly in the public eye for 5 years. If he maintained a total fake personality throughout, he's an absolutely incredible actor. So it's not that irrational to assume that those years in the public eye gave people an idea of who Harry Styles is and big differences to now make people wonder.

Well, those people are naive. Performers receive media training. And child/teen pop performers receive it most heavily as they work for the management, not the other way round.

by Anonymousreply 161November 16, 2020 6:31 PM

R160 Cheers! Something ironically and similiarly funny has happened before like this.

by Anonymousreply 162November 16, 2020 6:33 PM

R161 Of course they received media training and it's especially apparent in the first 2-3 years. Or when the talked about their "hiatus" lol. But it doesn't automatically turn them 100 % into little Stepford personalities, especially when it comes to things like interests or music they listen to in private, because there's no need to lie about that. It's also hard to media train their humour, wit, charisma and how they act as performers live on stage, because if that would have been possible, the others would have been as interesting as Harry, but they weren't.

by Anonymousreply 163November 16, 2020 6:39 PM

That cover dress looks like it belonged to Calamity Jane.

by Anonymousreply 164November 16, 2020 6:58 PM

R155 I wasn't being "nasty" though it was meant to be a humorous observation. Datalounge is technically a gay/lesbian site and tends to skew older. I'm a young gay guy and even I don't know many guys who obsess and swoon over Harry Styles besides girls who were formerly 1D fangirls. I was too old for One Direction when they came out and tried listening to them and think their music is generic and boring and reflects the decline of the industry. However I do like Harry's solo music and he impressed me a lot. Looks wise he is like Uma Thurman, attractive sometimes, homely other times. Depends on the style he wears and camera angle.

by Anonymousreply 165November 16, 2020 7:36 PM

[Quote] I was too old for One Direction when they came out

So you're in your thirties?

by Anonymousreply 166November 16, 2020 7:39 PM

which Vogue? Not that it really matters anymore. Vogues are done and dusted.

by Anonymousreply 167November 16, 2020 7:42 PM

R166 I'm in my late 20s. One Direction came out right after I graduated high school. High school boys were not the target demographic for 1D anyway. Middle school girls were the main demographic. Bieber came out during my high school years and most high schoolers were not listening to him. He was considered wack and was mocked and people were rather homophobic too.

by Anonymousreply 168November 16, 2020 7:43 PM

Azerbaijan, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 169November 16, 2020 7:44 PM

R165 That's cool... Sorry Imhad mistaken you for an old troll. I like his penchant for Fleetwood Mac, Stevie Nicks, flared-leg trousers, vintage Mercedes Pagodas, his support for LGBT, and find him funny as well. I'm not a stan, or anything creepshow. I only began paying attention to him somewhat recently myself. I'm intrigued he has such similar taste to someone late forties-early fifties.

I'm an ardent defender of gender benders, androgynous types, as well as trans... They take an unnecessary beating here from older intolerant conservative trolls.

by Anonymousreply 170November 16, 2020 7:47 PM

I'm 31 and the only people I know who actively like One Direction or Harry Styles are women in their late 30s and early 40s. My younger female cousins like/d pop rock, rape, or indie and think Harry Styles is lame.

by Anonymousreply 171November 16, 2020 7:49 PM

R171 here. yikes. Meant rap, as in rap music.

by Anonymousreply 172November 16, 2020 7:50 PM

Rap rap?

by Anonymousreply 173November 16, 2020 7:50 PM

Women in their late 30s and 40s are not the demographic that drive streaming numbers. Harry's are big.

by Anonymousreply 174November 16, 2020 7:51 PM

Horny single white women in their late 30s definitely are Harry's demographic. That is a huge consumer group.

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by Anonymousreply 175November 16, 2020 7:53 PM

You missed my point. They are not responsible for his streaming numbers. He has young fans, numerous, in their teens and early twenties.

by Anonymousreply 176November 16, 2020 7:54 PM

Harry holds some appeal for women in their late 30s, 40s and even older, but his main audience is still 15-25 year old girls and women. They are responsible for his huge streaming numbers as well as getting a hashtag trending on twitter every time he cuts his hair. Some of them were not even in school when 1D started, some of the early 20s fans were never 1D fans, but he still appeals mainly to this demographic, even if they became fans during his solo career.

by Anonymousreply 177November 16, 2020 7:57 PM

Just my opinion, whether he's for "grown-ups" (or in my case old gits) isn't really any concern of mine, as I'm not a fan of his music per se, just defending him as a person because he seems cool. I don't think he's trans either, despite OP adding that rubbish.

by Anonymousreply 178November 16, 2020 7:58 PM

Conservatives are outraged over this screaming masculinity is dead and how dangerous it is to live in a society without real men. lol

by Anonymousreply 179November 16, 2020 7:58 PM

R177 Millennials are a larger demographic group. Gen Z is relatively small in numbers, especially Caucasian Gen-Zers. If he is pulling large numbers with young women, they are largely non-white. It's not unseemly think that most of his fans are older, as there as just a lot more older people. Look at population distributions by age. The mean age on earth is now over 30, especially in Western countries were it's 40-50.

by Anonymousreply 180November 16, 2020 8:02 PM

R175 A fitting photo from SNL 2017 for that article. The song he debuted there seemed way more suited to the tastes of "grown-ups" than 15-25 year old pop fangirls, so I think he tried to expand his fan base to different age groups at the start of his solo career. It probably didn't work out and with his second album it seems that he focused more on keeping and expanding his fan base in the younger demographic - and through the radio friendly sound also reached some older pop fans.

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by Anonymousreply 181November 16, 2020 8:02 PM

[Quote] If he is pulling large numbers with young women, they are largely non-white.

You pulled that from out of your ass.

by Anonymousreply 182November 16, 2020 8:05 PM

He looks stupid.

by Anonymousreply 183November 16, 2020 8:05 PM

[Quote] It's not unseemly think that most of his fans are older, as there as just a lot more older people.

As people age they stop buying/consuming new music. Nostalgia kicks in pat 33.

by Anonymousreply 184November 16, 2020 8:06 PM

*past 33

by Anonymousreply 185November 16, 2020 8:06 PM

R180 He has a lot of non-white fans from all over the world that all stream his music, but most fans I've seen were still younger than him. Every poll on social media results in the 15-25 year olds being the largest group by far. It's also what you see when you look at his concerts - someone with a truly mixed audience also has all kinds of age groups and genders at the concerts, he doesn't.

It's clear what his target audience is if you watch his Behind The Scenes film from his concert at the Forum in December, which (despite the name) mostly features interviews with fans, who attended that concert. They are quite representative of his fan base in general.

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by Anonymousreply 186November 16, 2020 8:09 PM

Here's a film from his London concert last December, that also features many close-ups of the audience. The only people over 25 are the musicians on stage.

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by Anonymousreply 187November 16, 2020 8:13 PM

R182. That's just how it is. The US is no longer a white country, especially with the under 30s.

by Anonymousreply 188November 16, 2020 8:18 PM

R186. I think Harry is more popular in Asia and Latin America than he is in continental Europe. One Direction was truly a global phenomenon.

by Anonymousreply 189November 16, 2020 8:19 PM

Yes, I agree with that, I think he has especially big markets in Brazil, Argentina and Mexico as well as India and Indonesia. On the other hand I think his debut album was (compared to the population size) a bit better received in continental Europe.

by Anonymousreply 190November 16, 2020 8:27 PM

[Quote] That's just how it is. The US is no longer a white country, especially with the under 30s.

That's nice. But have you factored in things like disposable income, free time etc. - all of which play into fandom.

by Anonymousreply 191November 16, 2020 8:29 PM

[Quote] especially big markets in Brazil, Argentina and Mexico as well as India and Indonesia.

None of these are especially big when compared with the biggest markets (the USA and then the UK).

by Anonymousreply 192November 16, 2020 8:30 PM

R191, single 30 something white women certainly tick those boxes, especially disposable income, lol. They are the biggest consumers.

by Anonymousreply 193November 16, 2020 8:39 PM

R192 Yes, US and UK are his biggest markets, but I meant those are the biggest markets in Latam and Asia and combined they might not rival the US as his main market (and also where his team focuses their efforts on), but it's a significant chunk.

by Anonymousreply 194November 16, 2020 8:46 PM

[Quote] single 30 something white women certainly tick those boxes, especially disposable income, lol. They are the biggest consumers.

Of new music? As concert goers? We're not talking about clothes from online retailers and mugs to cradle.

by Anonymousreply 195November 16, 2020 8:50 PM

R193 In theory they would be an audience, but there's nothing to support this claim that they are - no social media analyses, no concert audience, not his marketing strategies etc. Where are you getting from that they are his biggest audience?

by Anonymousreply 196November 16, 2020 8:50 PM

[Quote] Yes, US and UK are his biggest markets, but I meant those are the biggest markets in Latam and Asia and combined they might not rival the US as his main market (and also where his team focuses their efforts on), but it's a significant chunk.

Significant on what metric, though? There's certainly money to be made in those places but projects don't live or die on success found there.

by Anonymousreply 197November 16, 2020 8:51 PM

R197 Yes, the US is certainly the most important market in terms of success and worldwide influence. But actually Indonesia is a very interesting growing market for the music industry/streaming with its 270 million inhabitans and "trigger" citites that can make or break trends. That's not directly connected to Harry Styles of course, but I found it interesting in a general music industry context. Billboard wrote about it last year.

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by Anonymousreply 198November 16, 2020 8:55 PM

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by Anonymousreply 199November 16, 2020 8:58 PM

This January, it's ALOK!

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by Anonymousreply 200November 16, 2020 8:58 PM

Harry isn't campy at all. His speaking voice is deep and kinda monotone and he lacks flashiness and pageantry. He seems bored. The older he gets the more masculine he has become actually because of puberty.

I find it scary how people cannot accept that a skinny boy who wears long hair, skinny jeans and bright floral clothing can be completely straight and cisgender. It's like people forgot about the 1960s and 70s fashion trends. Gay rumors during his 1D days apparently were because he was affectionate and emotionally expressive with other guys.

The fangirls seem awfully homophobic for stereotyping his sexuality like that.

by Anonymousreply 201November 16, 2020 10:14 PM

He's not skinny. He's thick waisted.

by Anonymousreply 202November 16, 2020 10:18 PM

[Quote] I find it scary how people cannot accept that a skinny boy who wears long hair, skinny jeans and bright floral clothing can be completely straight

You find "gay" scary, hon?

by Anonymousreply 203November 16, 2020 10:18 PM

Using terms such as "cis" is homophobic r201 and r201 is right, Harry is stocky and has a granddad body.

by Anonymousreply 204November 16, 2020 10:20 PM

R203 Apparently Harry does if he can't just say if he's gay or not. Shawn Mendes said he was straight and Troye Sivan came out as gay. Brendan Urie is openly pansexual. Harry being quiet wouldn't be so hypocritical if he didn't assign himself to be this queer icon.

by Anonymousreply 205November 16, 2020 10:32 PM

He looks better in this red dress.

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by Anonymousreply 206November 16, 2020 10:35 PM

Harry isn't gay. Only a straight guy would wear such ugly, shitty clothes and think he was doing something brave and stunning.

by Anonymousreply 207November 16, 2020 10:47 PM

R188 The US like Canada and Australia and New Zealand was never a "white country" to begin as the Indigenous people lived there thousands of years prior. The white US population is also not declining rapidly. Maybe the Non-Hispanic white population will drop to 50% but that's still the majority and including white Hispanic it would be up to 60%. White Americans will still have the most power socially and economically of course. They have lower rates of infant mortality and a higher life expectancy too in comparison to Black Americans. Having more money and social advantages would make you a bigger consumer. But also being a minority doesn't mean you're not powerful. Asian, Middle Eastern and Indian Americans tend to be upper class and there is a growing market to target them.

by Anonymousreply 208November 16, 2020 10:50 PM

R203 Come one, it's clear they meant stereotyping based on being a "twink" is scary. And yes, I find it harmful if certain body types are associated with sexuality, because plenty of young gay men aren't twinks at all and no less gay for it, while it gets pretty old that young, male, straight celebrities get treated like "gay icons" when they are not.

by Anonymousreply 209November 16, 2020 10:53 PM

[Quote] Apparently Harry does if he can't just say if he's gay or not.

He was asked if he was bisexual and he said "pretty sure I'm not." He could be gay as a goose but he doesn't identify as such.

by Anonymousreply 210November 16, 2020 11:03 PM

R170 his penchant for Fleetwood Mac is by design. The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, as well as the One Direction boys are both managed by Azoff. Styles was paired with FM, Niall with The Eagles.

by Anonymousreply 211November 16, 2020 11:04 PM

[Quote] Come one, it's clear they meant stereotyping based on being a "twink" is scary. And yes, I find it harmful if certain body types are associated with sexuality, because plenty of young gay men aren't twinks at all and no less gay for it, while it gets pretty old that young, male, straight celebrities get treated like "gay icons" when they are not.

In a post Frank Ocean world, you don't need to fear. Twinks own their skinny now.

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by Anonymousreply 212November 16, 2020 11:05 PM

R30, does it matter? Vogue UK is not what it used to be.

by Anonymousreply 213November 16, 2020 11:14 PM

Whatever happened to the "gang" which tried to mug him? You know, that time when he told the police there was only one guy, but then told Howard Stern is was a gang. No arrests made? Funny that.

by Anonymousreply 214November 16, 2020 11:17 PM

[Quote] Whatever happened to the "gang" which tried to mug him? You know, that time when he told the police there was only one guy, but then told Howard Stern is was a gang. No arrests made? Funny that.

Little Mix? They're promoting their latest album.

by Anonymousreply 215November 16, 2020 11:18 PM

R42,

[quote] But Anna Wintour (and Vogue) has spoken highly of Harry for years now...

I think it's just Brits helping Brits.

by Anonymousreply 216November 16, 2020 11:19 PM

R211 One Direction isn't managed by any Azoff. They are managed by nobody right now, because they are on "permanent hiatus", but they were managed by Modest. Only Harry signed with Jeff Azoff's company in 2016 after the band.

And yes, there's a Azoff connection with both Fleetwood Mac and The Eagles, but Harry and Niall have mentioned both of these bands (as well as Pink Floyd by Harry and Bruce Springsteen by Niall) as favourites even before Harry met Jeff Azoff. It's not that surprising, they know these bands from their parents and they're hardly obscure. Every second person in that age group loves them lol.

R213 It's Vogue US and no matter the quality of the magazine, it still has a big influence and being the first male solo cover is certainly something that will be remembered.

R214 It was a random street mugging in the dark. The perps didn't even realise who he was, so I guess visibility wasn't that great. There are rarely arrests made from random muggings in a big city like London, where such things happen daily.

by Anonymousreply 217November 16, 2020 11:45 PM

Is it bad that I have no idea how Harry Styles looks and sounds like?

by Anonymousreply 218November 16, 2020 11:46 PM

[Quote] Is it bad that I have no idea how Harry Styles looks and sounds like?

Think "Carleton Carpenter."

by Anonymousreply 219November 16, 2020 11:49 PM

What the HELL is a "Carleton Carpenter"??!

by Anonymousreply 220November 17, 2020 12:05 AM

[QUOTE] Objectively-speaking, Zayn was the most attractive one of that group, but we live in such a racist society that the obvious is denied.

Only if you like men who weigh about 125lbs and have tiny spindly arms and legs. Much prefer Harry's taller, broader, more muscular frame. Zayn has terrible dark bags under his eyes these days from all the weed and cigarette smoking.

by Anonymousreply 221November 17, 2020 10:22 AM

R178

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by Anonymousreply 222November 17, 2020 10:49 AM

Oooh, is he or isn't he?? PR 101; let's put him in a dress and drum up some interest -- or some outrage at the very least -- and keep this charisma-free, gay-baiting 'talent' in the news. He's as edgy as a butter knife.

by Anonymousreply 223November 17, 2020 11:15 AM

R170, gender benders and trans are two different and opposing things. Gender bender is about playing with gender, e.g. a man wearing eyeliner but still very much being a man. Trans is some lunatic crap that says if a man wears eyeliner then he can't be a man.

by Anonymousreply 224November 17, 2020 11:20 AM

Speaking to Esquire magazine, Noel (Gallagher) said: "I'll tell you what's wrong. Fame's wasted on these c***s today.

"Harry Styles has got nothing to say for himself - nothing. 'You alright, mate?' 'Uhhh.' That's it."

LOL

by Anonymousreply 225November 17, 2020 11:20 AM

R224 no transphobia please

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by Anonymousreply 226November 17, 2020 11:57 AM

To me, this seems ridiculous and stupid and desperate. VOGUE is a fashion / style / culture magazine, yet by posting that photo on the cover, they seem to make a mockery of themselves. Is VOGUE saying they endorse and celebrate this look, the not-quite-trans not-quite-anything look? If so, they demonstrate how out-of-touch the editorial staff and Harry Styles are. In the age of COVID-19, I think they must be disconnected if they expect people to look to VOGUE for fashion ideas such as this. Foolish, naive, delusional and self-important.

by Anonymousreply 227November 17, 2020 12:16 PM

R221

Zayn is actually mentally ill. I have similar problems (but I’m much worse) but I have never done drugs. The inability to leave the house, the being so uninterested in food that it’s painful and uncomfortable to eat. Mental illness is no joke and does often manifest in physical form.

by Anonymousreply 228November 17, 2020 12:46 PM

r228 Mentally ill? Is that what they're calling heroin addicts these days? lol

by Anonymousreply 229November 17, 2020 3:19 PM

R217 Right on, mate. Thanks for sparing me the need to reply to R211 as well. I've seen Styles and Nicks together with my own eyes, and can tell his affection and admiration is genuine. I also saw him cry a bit giving an introduction... as well as how choked up he became expressing what an honour it was for him to be invited to perform onstage with Fleetwood Mac.

by Anonymousreply 230November 17, 2020 8:47 PM

Styles and Horan have the same management?

by Anonymousreply 231November 17, 2020 8:54 PM

Is Zayn still a heroin junkie? isn't he settled with Gigi and they had a kid?

by Anonymousreply 232November 17, 2020 8:59 PM

R224 Reading is a skill you obviously do not excel in. I never DID say gendder benders and trans are the same thing , you ignorant transphobic cunt. I can easily support both of those types of people as I like. I don't see how your troubled mind sees them as mutually exclusive choices.

Furthermore I have never read anything negative said , or written by transsexuals against rock stars wearing eyeliner, or any blokes wearing eyeliner for that matter. Keep your anti-trans crap confined to the gazillion threads which already exist for that tosh.

by Anonymousreply 233November 17, 2020 9:00 PM

R222 That video is wild lol. Apparently one of the nutters among Harry's fans, who have been claiming since forever that Harry is actually non-binary trans or on his way to transition or whatever. Not sure how he managed to gather a fandom full of young people, who want him so badly to be gay, bi, trans, non-binary or whatever other sexuality or gender. It would be lovely if they would support actual trans or non-binary artists or out and proud queer artists instead, if that's so important to them.

R231 No, they don't.

R232 Nobody knows if Zayn ever had a heroin problem. It's clear from a leaked video that he did weed and coke and he seemed spaced out during the later years of 1D, when he also got frightingly thin. He said he felt very uncomfortable in the band, especially in later years, due to crippling anxiety and an ensuing eating disorder, but who knows what else. Liam has also spoken about anxiety and said he was prescribed heavy meds, that gave him mental blackouts. If Zayn was given the same meds (maybe benzos), he could have formed a dependency. Even after the band he repeatedly cancelled concerts/promo performances and was eventuall dropped by his management due to "challenging behaviour". His manager said she hoped the split will bring "positive change for everyone", whatever that's supposed to mean. But in the end it all remains speculation.

I hope for him - whatever his problems were - that he has a good grip on them now and is happy and settled with Gigi and their little daughter. Staying away from the limelight seems to have been good for him, he certainly looks healthier these days.

by Anonymousreply 234November 18, 2020 12:37 AM

Zayn's manager gave HIM the heave-ho. And she worked with Sugababes.

by Anonymousreply 235November 18, 2020 12:52 AM

[quote]It would be lovely if they would support actual trans or non-binary artists or out and proud queer artists instead, if that's so important to them.

If he ever did actually come out as gay/bi/trans/non-binary or anything like that, you just know most of them would abandon him.

by Anonymousreply 236November 18, 2020 1:16 AM

R236 Maybe if he came out as trans, because that's a big change, but not if he came out as bi. The majority of fans is already he's bi and has dated men and/or dream about him dating a guy in the future (when he followed Richard Madden on instagram people were over the moon), so I'm sure they wouldn't abandon him. And a large part of the general public thinks he's bi (or gay) as well, so they wouldn't really be surprised either.

I just wondered why the fangirls focus so much on this aspect with a guy, who is vague at best. Every time there's a little ambiguity in terms of sexuality or gender, they obsess over it lovingly, more than his other stuff. And I'm interested in the reasoning or psychology behind this, when the same love isn't shown for openly LGBT artists.

by Anonymousreply 237November 18, 2020 4:11 AM

Who's an out bisexual male A-List pop star?

by Anonymousreply 238November 18, 2020 4:16 AM

R238 Brendon Urie?

by Anonymousreply 239November 18, 2020 4:22 AM

R238 Oh dear, is that a trick question to show that I don't know a whole lot about current pop stars? lol .. I don't know, Brandon Urie? There would probably more A-Listers if the fans would focus more on them. But if you just mean that there's a lack of representation for the fans and that's why they seek it in Harry Styles, then I wonder why they don't get this representation from the many bisexual female A-List pop stars, since most of the fans are female.

by Anonymousreply 240November 18, 2020 4:25 AM

The fans aren't going to focus on what makes them dry down below.

by Anonymousreply 241November 18, 2020 4:50 AM

R241 ? What do you mean?

by Anonymousreply 242November 18, 2020 4:52 AM

[quote]The majority of fans is already he's bi and has dated men and/or dream about him dating a guy in the future (when he followed Richard Madden on instagram people were over the moon), so I'm sure they wouldn't abandon him

There's a big difference between it being their fantasy and it being a fact. If they'd be oh-so-supportive, why aren't they supporting openly gay and bi talents?

They fetishsise gay/bi people and only like it for the stereotypes - there's a troll on here who's "evidence" of Styles being bi is the way he dresses. But an actual gay/bi man wouldn't necessarily follow those stereotypes, and they wouldn't be able to dismiss the bits they don't like as closeting.

by Anonymousreply 243November 18, 2020 5:15 AM

He is aging like a banana.

by Anonymousreply 244November 18, 2020 5:24 AM

R243 I see. Kind of like straight men like lesbians as fantasy or in films and porn, but it's not like they're out there in droves supporting actual lesbian women. On the other hand some fans might actually also like openly gay and bi artists, but as R238 pointed out, there might be a lack of artists, who are as handsome and especially as famous as Harry (and for many it's more a celebrity thing than the actual music) and they also won't get more famous without more fans, so it's a bit of a catch-22 situation.

by Anonymousreply 245November 18, 2020 5:32 AM

If he looks silly it's the stylist's fault...and guess what, he does because Vogue dressed him garishly and made him look like a washed-up thrift store parody.

by Anonymousreply 246November 18, 2020 5:35 AM

Then again, if you've seen Gucci's recent fashion shows, secondhand-looking trash IS kind of their new aesthetic.

Ever since Gucci hired that new creative director, it's all been downhill from there. He wiped his ass with the label's legacy and now they make overpriced clothing for subcultural schizophrenic greaseballs.

by Anonymousreply 247November 18, 2020 5:41 AM

R233, you misogynistic, homophobic cunt, I never said you said they were the same thing. I just pointed out that gender benders and transgenders are contradictory to each other, whereas you seem to think they're compatible. You need a bit of updating. Transsexuals apparently don't exist anymore, they are all transgender now. It might be hard for you to grasp, but there is a difference. If you understood the difference and were even aware that today the dogma is transgenderism, you might understand my point about eyeliner.

by Anonymousreply 248November 18, 2020 5:43 AM

I guess at least this time it's full on Scarlet O'Hara instead of vaguely Amish housewife or whatever the last dress was supposed to be.

I liked some of Alessandro Michele's early Gucci stuff, but it's been a decline imho. This new mix between salvation army chic and childlike elements doesn't work out for me. But I think the male collections of a few fashion houses have gone a bit downhill in recent years.

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by Anonymousreply 249November 18, 2020 5:54 AM

Harry's been successfully marketed to 15-25 year olds as an artistic, musically original, sensitive, gorgeous hunk, fashion icon and all-round great guy who has all the right positions on the issues of the day and stands up for the LGBTQ++++. The fact his songs are very middle of the road, his singing skills limited, his body is saggy, his actual positions on gender/sexuality issues never articulated and his "fashion icon" status due to a promotional contract with the huge conglomerate that made the once heavenly Gucci incredibly ugly and mass market are by the by.

Harry is hip amongst an age group who want to consider themselves a bit deeper and more thoughtful than their peers. The fact he doesn't represent anything more artistic than, e.g. Shawn Mendes or Justin Bieber doesn't matter to them. Harry is marketed as sensitive and artistic, therefore by identifying as his fans they are making a statement about themselves.

by Anonymousreply 250November 18, 2020 5:57 AM

He didn't embrace BLM when fans would bring flags to his concerts. That has been noted.

by Anonymousreply 251November 18, 2020 6:06 AM

It's interesting how this young generation always tries to make their pop stars figureheads of various causes and to push them into activism. In the end this guy is a musician or at least that's how he started out. Personally I don't feel this white man of undisclosed sexuality has to be an articulate and active spokesman for LGBTQ+, BLM, political issues and whatever else, just because he likes to sing. Seems like a lot of people just like to scream at musicians and actors that they're not "doing enough" and "using their platform" when all they do themselves is shitposting on twitter. It's tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 252November 18, 2020 6:20 AM

Well, lots of musicians like to talk about their love for their gay fans when they have a project to promote so it isn't surprising that fans take things like that to heart. That's why some people were blindsided by how many celebrities, for instance, ignored the Orlando Pulse shooting but didn't hesitate to tweet about the Manchester bombing. The personal is political.

by Anonymousreply 253November 18, 2020 6:34 AM

R252 I might agree except Harry has used LGBTQ+ to promote himself, so he does owe something back. Also, comparing the average person online to a celebrity is just stupid; the latter has far greater reach and power.

by Anonymousreply 254November 18, 2020 6:39 AM

Harry's been on BLM marches and tweeted all the mandated tweets. I don't think he's had any concerts in the past months though, so not sure which concerts you're referring to.

by Anonymousreply 255November 18, 2020 6:41 AM

Oh, he got with the program but he waited to see which way the wind was blowing.

by Anonymousreply 256November 18, 2020 6:42 AM

R245 There's also the element of them feeling like they're in the know. If you look at the social media of those people who believe he's gay/bi/etc, there tends to be a theme of them being 'real' fans, compared to the normal people who think he's straight; that they're special, and Harry values them more. So much so that many believe he sends them secret messages in what he wears or stuff like that. And this isn't limited to Harry.

R255 It was his tour for his previous album. It did really seem as though he went out of his way to avoid picking up BLM flags that were thrown onto the stage, etc. It was really the only time his fans criticised him, and after the backlash a BLM sticker was added to his guitar.

by Anonymousreply 257November 18, 2020 6:43 AM

I agree that Harry has played with sexual ambiguity and queerness in his promo and it's something I side-eye, although I'm not sure him going more activist would make it better. Although in his defense, he was at least always an ally and has also donated a lot of money to LGBT charities.

I didn't know him in 2017 when he was on his first tour, but I heard how people were outraged he didn't give BLM the same attention as his LGBT allyship. And last year they outraged that he isn't a public and outspoken supporter of Palestine. There are ton of important movements, causes and issues in the world and apparently Harry Styles should say something about all of them. He can't really win in this.

by Anonymousreply 258November 18, 2020 6:58 AM

[quote]And last year they outraged that he isn't a public and outspoken supporter of Palestine

This is because he has, on a number of occasions, waved around an Israeli flag.

[quote]There are ton of important movements, causes and issues in the world and apparently Harry Styles should say something about all of them

He's the one who pretended one of his songs was about everything going on in the world. He's also the one who said he wanted to find the one issue he's really passionate about - and yet still has not come out with anything, suggesting he's found nothing he's passionate about to speak out on. Which is a position only a massively privileged person can be in.

Acting like people are demanding he speaks out on every single issue is just a pathetic stan defence.

by Anonymousreply 259November 18, 2020 7:17 AM

[Quote] He can't really win in this.

I guess it depends on your definition of win. There aren't just two options - give your opinion on everything OR silence.

by Anonymousreply 260November 18, 2020 7:23 AM

R259 Stan defence? The stans are usually the ones demanding he speaks up about all the issues all the time. And maybe some parts of woke twitter. But you won't see the general public caring overmuch what Harry Styles speaks about.

Also what are the numerous occasions? I know of one single time in 2013, when he was just 19, that a fan threw an inflatable hammer with a printed on Israeli flag on stage and he picked it up. The fact that this sparked such a reaction among the fans that it fuelled the Palestine debate even six years later, probably shows that there seems to be a ton of scrutiny and readily passed judgement for him.

R260 If complete silence or commenting on everything were the only options, nobody could ever say anything, because it's impossible to speak about and actively support everything. In general I think opinions of celebrities on world issues are vastly overrated, but demanding that they support every cause equally, just because they have spoken about or supported one cause that might be especially dear to their heart (for whatever reason) is weird stance. And you can feel more connected to a certain cause, even if it's not your ultimate mission, that you will dedicate the rest of your life to - which is obviously what he meant in the Guardian interview.

by Anonymousreply 261November 18, 2020 7:42 AM

Justin Bieber can sing rings around his contemporaries, when he bothers to.

by Anonymousreply 262November 18, 2020 7:44 AM

[quote]The stans are usually the ones demanding he speaks up about all the issues all the time.

Ugh, fans don't always have to think the same way. There are some who call on him to vocally support issues. And then there are some - like you - who make ridiculous arguments like pretending people are demanding he comment on every single issue.

[quote]Also what are the numerous occasions?

What even is this question? You think I have some kind of spreadsheet of every time he held up an Israeli flag?

[quote]And you can feel more connected to a certain cause, even if it's not your ultimate mission, that you will dedicate the rest of your life to - which is obviously what he meant in the Guardian interview.

And yet he still claims to have not found what that cause is. Seriously, look at the state the world is in right now, and take a moment to think about how much of a bubble someone must live in that with so many injustices going on, someone can still think "nah, still don't feel that important to me".

Also, fuck off with the idea he's under some kind of immense pressure. Look at the shit Taylor Swift got for years before she spoke out. Styles doesn't get even a fraction of that (even when adjusting for her increased popularity), mostly because he's a man.

by Anonymousreply 263November 18, 2020 8:01 AM

Harry's devoted stans had a listening party when Fine Line dropped last December, pre-COVID.

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by Anonymousreply 264November 18, 2020 8:18 AM

To a certain extent it's Harry's fault if he can't win because he's the one (with the help of his management) setting himself up as this great aware, caring person for a woke era.

This ugly Vogue photoshoot also caters to BLM issues. The photographer is the hugely over-rated and very pedestrian young black photographer Tyler Mitchell, who was allegedly handpicked by Beyonce for her ugly 2018 September issue cover and editorial. Mitchell's had the kind of meteoric rise even photographers with actual talent and a beautiful aesthetic can only dream of.

by Anonymousreply 265November 18, 2020 8:53 AM

He could've also shut down his fans when they were acting like he was some great icon for the gay community, and instead pointed to some actual icons and said they deserve your praise.

by Anonymousreply 266November 18, 2020 10:15 AM

[quote] This whole wave of boys dressing like girls and being "soft" just seems pandering and gimmicky like a fad and lacks substance just like that hard gangsta image that was dominant throughout the 2000s did.

One could say that the Pendulum has swung....the other way.

This cub should have worn jorts with flame decals and a chain paired with a leopard vest from Lane Bryant. Grrrrrr.

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by Anonymousreply 267November 18, 2020 10:42 AM

R265 That he sets himself up for all kinds of expectations in that regard and it creates this circle, where fans always push for more, sometimes also very aggressively, is a legit and understandable criticism to me.

I didn't know anything about Tyler Mitchell, so I can't comment on his merit as photographer. But I wondered why we ended up with so many photos where Harry has the exact same expression. He's not a professional model, so I don't expect him to work the camera on his own, but then it's usually up to the photographer to create variety by giving instructions or playing with angles, light or putting the model in different poses.

by Anonymousreply 268November 18, 2020 10:44 AM

R267 oh my god lol (the way this is low-key a bop though...)

by Anonymousreply 269November 18, 2020 10:59 AM

R269 Steve Carlesi was the greatest unsung lead vocalist of the 1990s. Foundry opened for Godmack. The mark the group left on the Boston scene is indelible. Some respect on their name.

by Anonymousreply 270November 18, 2020 11:03 AM

R225 what a fantastic statement. Noely has hit it once again. Can we just make him PM?

Speaking of the Gallagher, I did have Liam in mind reading this thread. There is an example of a captivating pop-star who actually does have surprising, androgynous, legendary beauty in tandem with aggressive masculine energy and authentic outspokenness. He can draw the eye, he can prick up ears, and he can mesmerise a crowd, just by being himself. He has been a successful model in the past, too. He is a fascinating person, the kind who bucks stereotypes just by being himself, because by rights a dimwitted chav gobshite with a lovely face and a voice that grabs you by the entrails really shouldn’t exist.

Liam Gallagher brings charisma, attitude, interesting looks, and controversial opinions that Styles wishes he had and that his team want us to believe he has. But you can’t manufacture or conjure up an intangible - the old adage is true, that either you have ‘It’ or you don’t.

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by Anonymousreply 271November 18, 2020 11:04 AM

Why do people care?

Yes, he is an attention whore. So is every model and every actor and every musician on the cover of Vogue and not on the cover of Vogue. Stirring up controversy is a primary way to sell anything in entertainment. And fashion models are photographed in ways that make them look like idiots all the time. It's just that we are used to fashion magazines and runway shows telling us "she may look like a fool, but that's only because you don't get fashion" for decades. Yes, they made him look like a fool to stir up discussion for their brand and yes he was eager to do it to sell his music and get people talking about him.

Nothing new about this. It's just fucking fabric cut differently. It's so insane people get so, so emotionally worked up. People are so goddamned easy to manipulate it almost makes me want to be Machiavellian just because it would be such a goddamned easy job description.

by Anonymousreply 272November 18, 2020 11:11 AM

[quote] an actual gay/bi man wouldn't necessarily follow those stereotypes, and they wouldn't be able to dismiss the bits they don't like as closeting.

Years ago, I remember Darren Hayes of Savage Garden saying something to this effect.

Hayes, an openly gay man, said that he was uncomfortable with the way his record label wanted to style him in the early years of the group’s short career. At the time there was still some gunshy feelings about gay celebrities, plus Hayes was young (in his early 20s) and wasn’t out to the public because he was struggling with his sexuality somewhat.

Despite knowing this, his label asked him to keep his hair long, wear makeup, put on womens’ fit clothes, and play up his feminine looks and behaviour as a way to seem approachable and relatable to young female fans (he looked like a lesbian, honestly). Hayes did as he was asked for the sake of his context, but was very uncomfortable with it, and felt that it was an insidiously homophobic & sexist tactic designed to manipulate marketing using harmful stereotypical ideas about gay men.

Nowadays, as an independent solo artist, you won’t catch Hayes out of facial scruff, a close cropped haircut, and suits or loose fit masculine leisurewear.

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by Anonymousreply 273November 18, 2020 11:33 AM

Savage Garden was underrated and Darren Hayes' solo work is too.

by Anonymousreply 274November 18, 2020 2:02 PM

I think Styles' pretty much unwavering facial expression in the pics was very deliberate, a way of undercutting the "expressive" femininity.

by Anonymousreply 275November 18, 2020 5:23 PM

In what universe was Liam Gallagher an androgynous beauty?

by Anonymousreply 276November 18, 2020 5:32 PM

No universe. And he's never been fascinating either.

by Anonymousreply 277November 18, 2020 5:45 PM

^^let the man himself tell you about it.

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by Anonymousreply 278November 18, 2020 6:05 PM

Harry's deadpan expression is very similar to Beyonce's expression in her 2018 Vogue shoot. I think they have the same photographer too.

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by Anonymousreply 279November 18, 2020 9:42 PM

I think Bey looked way more glamorous during her B'Day and Sasha Fierce era. Mathew Knowles despite being cutthroat and greedy did know what he was doing when it came to marketing his daughter.

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by Anonymousreply 280November 18, 2020 9:45 PM

If that were true, she'd never have worn House of DerEon.

by Anonymousreply 281November 18, 2020 9:49 PM

A lot of Beyonce's public outfits are questionable. DC's tackiness was explained by the time period. She's not as bad as Britney though.

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by Anonymousreply 282November 18, 2020 9:53 PM

R280 But she's not being packaged as a sex object anymore as she was then. She's a Serious Artist and an Icon now. That means a little off kilter, a little odd, a lot melancholy, unapproachable. Wet lips and tousled sex hair are not part of the Serious Artist package.

by Anonymousreply 283November 18, 2020 9:53 PM

Em...

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by Anonymousreply 284November 18, 2020 9:57 PM

R283 I get what you're saying. That's also why there is a big divide between Beyonce fans. Some prefer her pre-2013 sound and look while others are vice versa. I think the "4" era was the best of both worlds, fun pop songs, powerhouse vocals and great musicianship.

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by Anonymousreply 285November 18, 2020 9:58 PM

I think most of Beyonce's singles have been snoozes. Nothing equaled "Crazy In Love." And Destiny's Child veered too far into kitsch for me. "Say My Name" is so much better than dreck like "Survivor."

by Anonymousreply 286November 18, 2020 10:00 PM

Survivor was their worst album for me, way too many stupid songs on it and way too long.

I think Writings on the Wall was their best with Destiny Fulfilled following after. I much prefer LaTavia and LeToya to Michelle.

But let's get real, Spice Girls, DC, Blaque, Total and etc were all created to capitalize on the success of girl power R&B group TLC who gave each member a personality and a color coding.

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by Anonymousreply 287November 18, 2020 10:04 PM

I relistened to CrazySexyCool recently and Chilli's struggle belts... whoo. She'd be clowned for that now.

by Anonymousreply 288November 18, 2020 10:17 PM

I think Rihanna has way better singles than Beyonce. Beyonce has more cohesive albums but many of them aren't aging too well. ANTI was much better musically than Lemonade to me. Beyonce relies too much on visuals and created pop culture moments to the detriment of creating truly timeless music. Beyonce's albums flow well but a lot of the time they feel like they are missing something, they really do lack soul. B'Day and 4 were the most complete of her albums and aged well. Her self-titled is still excellent though but a product of its time and Lemonade definitely has aged the worst despite being her most recent. To be fair, Rihanna didn't have a real album until ANTI and that one album shitted on most of Bey's discography.

by Anonymousreply 289November 18, 2020 10:21 PM

H is in a new video for Gucci, wearing short shorts and a pink t shirt.

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by Anonymousreply 290November 18, 2020 10:52 PM

Excuse my beauty!

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by Anonymousreply 291November 18, 2020 10:57 PM

Having a convo in Italian. Glad he lost the tache.

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by Anonymousreply 292November 18, 2020 11:02 PM

Liam G uses 'fucking' as punctuation and has a 50 word vocabulary. His voice is also shot from smoking for 30 years, something which won't happen to Harry.

Got to say that it was amusing watching Louis Tomlinson try to turn himself into a clone of Liam Gallagher for the release of his debut album Walls. Louis imitated his stance, walk and accent and the songs on his album were like Oasis tributes, with Noel G insisting on a credit on one of them because it was so similar to Acquiesce. Louis hired the man who made the Liam G documentary to film four of his videos and the guy made sure there were plenty of Oasis references in there, like the chair on the wall.

Floplinson's album went down like a lead balloon in the US. Debuted at ten and then fell off the Billboard 200 completely the next week. Same story in the UK. To this day, Walls has only sold 100k units in the US whereas it was announced today that Fine Line has just gone double platinum there.

100k vs 2m in a similar time period. Guess there really was only one star in that band.

by Anonymousreply 293November 18, 2020 11:09 PM

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by Anonymousreply 294November 18, 2020 11:15 PM

Harry reminds me so much of Greg Brady, from awkwardness to the homeliness to the slight creepiness. They even look and move alike.

But then, authentic 70s retro with a heavy touch of camp and mawkish self-awareness is what he's going for anyway, right? So it's far out.

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by Anonymousreply 295November 18, 2020 11:15 PM

But will Harry ever get to duet with Miss Lorna Luft?

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by Anonymousreply 296November 18, 2020 11:17 PM

Styles is desperate for an identity. First he grew his hair out to be Jagger, now he's trying to be Bowie. He used to be cute but he's not aging well and looks pretty rough. My niece, who was a huge 1D fan, can't stand him now.

The only reason Wintour put him on the cover is because she knew it would get people talking about the failing Vogue. Bitch, nobody buys magazines anymore.

by Anonymousreply 297November 18, 2020 11:21 PM

Even those short shorts are neither here nor there.

by Anonymousreply 298November 18, 2020 11:25 PM

Peter was the best looking Brady boy and had more swag than Greg. The last season was getting a bit more racy and mature in humor.

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by Anonymousreply 299November 18, 2020 11:28 PM

Zayn is prettier. still.

by Anonymousreply 300November 18, 2020 11:33 PM

[quote] Liam G uses 'fucking' as punctuation and has a 50 word vocabulary. His voice is also shot from smoking for 30 years, something which won't happen to Harry.

True, suppose such scandalous rockstar behaviour as cursing and smoking cigarettes like some sort of frothing manbeast would rather overwhelm a snooty classist delicate fangurl of a quivering yoga-pants wearing people-pleaser trying to win favour in the court of Twitter.

And you call us Millennials snowflakes....

by Anonymousreply 301November 18, 2020 11:39 PM

R298 The whole outfit is for a new Gucci ad campaign, sorry, "film festival" lol. Gucci is a pretentious mess with nonsensical clothes anyway, but these film episodes are so over the top, it's actually hilarious.

Harry looked very handsome in it and the film makers know it: lots of close ups, play with light, radiant green eyes, dimpled smile etc. Good thing that the director obviously focused on getting his pretty face on camera, because it's evident the focus wasn't on the dialogue lol.

by Anonymousreply 302November 19, 2020 2:05 AM

R297 He seems at the same time trying quite hard to be unique and artsy, while also incorporating too much from artists he admires. The long hair wasn't even that much Jagger, more a mix of all kinds of older and younger rock stars imho, I think peak Jagger-ness rather came during his first solo tou (especially in 2018), when he seemed to copy some of his dance moves. Now we're in his Bowie era, but that's also due to his stylist copying some of Bowie's outfits nearly stich for stich. It's not helping at all.

It aggravates me, because I still think he'd be more fun and interesting just being Harry Styles - maybe not a music legend, but he's only 26 after all. Maybe in time he'll find his way. In the meantime whatever he does sells incredibly well, so maybe it's on purpose, I don't know.

by Anonymousreply 303November 19, 2020 2:16 AM

Harry should just be himself. People loved him when he was goofy, cheerful and had no filter. He seems more 2000s pop rock and pop punk (which makes sense that's what was popular when he was young: Paramore, Blink-182, My Chemical Romance). Not psychedelic 60s/70s rock.

by Anonymousreply 304November 19, 2020 2:21 AM

I'm sure he grew up with some 90s Brit pop, 2000s pop rock and all kinds of indie rock. He had some pop rock on his old myspace page iirc and it seems he liked Arctic Monkeys, Coldplay, The White Stripes, The Raconteurs, The Black Keys, probably also The Kills and Kings of Leon. However he also has evidently liked 60s/70s rock, even as 16 year old boy. Right from the start he tweeted about Thin Lizzy, The Beatles and said in an interview from 2011 that Pink Floyd's Shine On You Crazy Diamond is his favourite song ever. He also mentioned plenty of other 60s/70s rock and folk back then, from Grateful Dead to Van Morrison.

So his inclination to go for that sound is not fake and I also think his mix tape for Another Man in 2016 was a real representation of his taste at the time (if that stayed the same and how it relates to the sound of Fine Line is another topic). But it doesn't mean he can't be himself in general or has be a "freaky artiste" or copy Bowie's fashion or anything like that. That's where the part starts where I feel he tries too hard, when it's not even necessary.

by Anonymousreply 305November 19, 2020 3:16 AM

His songs are written by committees to order r305. They're not art, groundbreaking like those artists you mention or expressions of his soul. They're product to supplement the image that has been developed and marketed for him.

by Anonymousreply 306November 19, 2020 6:43 AM

Motown hits were written by committee. I don't think that makes them not art.

by Anonymousreply 307November 19, 2020 6:57 AM

R306 I never even suggested that he's making groundbreaking art like those classic rock legends. I just said that he likes that sound, so it would be something that would make sense to naturally go for - no matter who writes the songs. Of course we're in the end in a pop environment, where basically all songs are at least co-written by songwriters - that's no different to any other former 1D members. Or even Adele or Florence and the Machine.

But we know from how the writing credits are split (which you can deduct from the songwriters' different performance-right organisations) that Harry has not only co-written all his songs, but often holds the majority of writing credits, although I think he focuses more on lyrics and melodies than the instrumental parts. And of course he also co-wrote a bunch of songs for other people, like Changes for Cam.

And as R307 pointed out art is art, no matter who wrote it. For example Harry wrote Changes with Lori McKenna, who is in my eyes definitely a "real musician" and great songwriter. I don't see how it should make the music worse if she herself sang it or Cam or Harry.

by Anonymousreply 308November 19, 2020 7:26 AM

R307, Motown hits were written by songwriters, either individuals or song-writing teams, and the song-writers themselves were acknowledged. They were then recorded and performed by brilliant singers. Motown was highly controlled by Berry Gordy, who wanted a specific sound and feel aimed at a young audience. The Motown vocalists never pretended the songs were something original that they'd created and the songwriters themselves were also hailed and publicly lauded for their work.

Harry has been set up as a great artist who himself is responsible for this supposedly amazing art that he produces, which represents his soul. He gets a song-writing credit for probably the most minimal contribution - as is the case with all "smart" pop singers these days. All the members of One Direction had song-writing credits for One Direction recordings (does anyone even remember any of their songs?). "Sign of the Times", the single that was meant to change Harry's image and give him strong artistic credibility, was written by six people, with a commission to give him an image makeover. He's marketed as a kind of David Bowie, Marc Bolan type character, a serious musician, etc. when they were brilliant, innovative songwriters.

Not only is Harry no David Bowie, he's no Marvin Gaye, he's no Stevie Wonder and he's no Diana Ross. His songwriters are no Holland-Dozier-Holland.

Harry is not art, he's marketing. His music is standard forgettable pop, regardless of the idea his fans have that he's a great artist. This Vogue cover and editorial pretty much sum him up

by Anonymousreply 309November 19, 2020 9:01 AM

And let's not forget Harry's marketing slogan - "Treat People with Kindness!" - which is greatly responsible for his fans' idea that he's a wonderful, caring person.

by Anonymousreply 310November 19, 2020 9:03 AM

[QUOTE] His songs are written by committees to order [R305]

I think you are getting Harry mixed up with Liam Payne, whose label bought songs from various songwriting teams for LP1 and didn't allow Liam any creative input.

Harry wrote with the same small team for both albums. This team lived for two months at a studio in Jamaica for the first album and at a studio in Malibu for the second. Harry has only one other writer credited on Falling, so hardly a 'committee'. He also wrote all the lyrics himself and you can tell. They are a bit artsy, a bit pretentious and try hard but at least they're authentically his.

by Anonymousreply 311November 19, 2020 9:53 AM

His level, in terms of emotional intelligence and performing arts skill, is mid-tier television actor.

We're talking one of the comic relief background regular characters on a popular soap such as Hollyoaks/Emmerdale/Eastenders, perhaps a student or a barman or a local tradesperson, who gets the occasional useful thing to do in a different character's arc. Maybe he could have been a bi or gay character, if visibility truly does mean that much to him. He's even got the right face and speaking voice for the job, and I suspect he might have been quite happy working in that capacity; TV serials aren't even a bad little gig, nowadays (look at David Essex, Richard Blackwood, Martin Kemp from Spandau, Keith Duffy from Boyzone, Duncan & Lee from Blue).

He'd also be a fine fit for ITV non-prestige drama, or Channel 4 presenting. Perhaps after that he could have found an actual voice and a performance style that suits, then segue into bit parts in domestic films (again, no shame in this game, Danny Dyer makes it work), do variety or panel shows (where the good TV contracts are), make kids' telly, present radio or do voiceovers (a la his true predecessor, Emma Bunton), or after a decade or two has gone by slide back into pop with or without 1D. Or, if he dared, he could have hopped across the bond to star in C-movies and reboot shows on Showtime, the type we all wax lyrical about on this board though no-one else has ever seen them.

All this to say: if you take snobbery and pretension and trend-chasing off the table, Harry could have done well and got exactly what he wanted from the public with minimal strain and no smokescreens. There's no shame in knowing one's limits and in making the most of them, having a fun career. It's clear Harry has a need to be liked by an audience and receive consistent positive feedback more than respected for actual artistry, and becoming a public entertainer is the way to go to get that.

Something just doesn't add up when such a bland, pasty, milquetoast and incompetent person who looks miserable as all get out and can't articulate or even locate an artistic M.O. is hailed as the greatest young pop-star of the age. He has nothing to offer, the world of high-concept crossover pop, and I think deep down he knows that. In this milieu he can't be himself, and unfairly he can't keep up at the height he has been elevated. It's the Emperor's New Clothes, and when the delusion crashes down it will hurt Harry more than anyone (which is why I'm surprised his allegedly devoted and concerned fans want him to keep at it).

by Anonymousreply 312November 19, 2020 10:13 AM

[QUOTE] His songs are written by committees to order, R305

'Committees'? Fuck off, you patronising, ignorant cunt. It's clear that you know know nothing about how his two albums were written. It's the same three or four people on every one of his 22 songs.

by Anonymousreply 313November 19, 2020 10:13 AM

He looks and sounds nothing like Bowie. Bowie had a whiny voice and a very slight frame with skeletal legs and arms.

by Anonymousreply 314November 19, 2020 10:15 AM

Fine Line just went double platinum in the US after 11 months. It really is Harry's year.

Poor Louis only sold 100k units in the US in the same period. Seems like the 1d fans have abandoned all the other members. Niall's new album has yet to get a single certificate.

by Anonymousreply 315November 19, 2020 10:41 AM

[quote]But we know from how the writing credits are split (which you can deduct from the songwriters' different performance-right organisations) that Harry has not only co-written all his songs, but often holds the majority of writing credits, although I think he focuses more on lyrics and melodies than the instrumental parts.

Where can we see this? There's some site which shows the percentages or something?

by Anonymousreply 316November 19, 2020 11:05 AM

[quote]Something just doesn't add up when such a bland, pasty, milquetoast and incompetent person who looks miserable as all get out and can't articulate or even locate an artistic M.O. is hailed as the greatest young pop-star of the age.

Connections. Multiple people have said how he's constantly networking at parties, etc. So he makes the right friends, charms the right people, and gets the right press.

by Anonymousreply 317November 19, 2020 11:08 AM

The Weeknd 30yo, Kidnap 29yo, Aaron Maine/Porches 29yo, Troye Sivan (yes, even Troye) 25yo, and Gus Dapperton 23yo all do more artful pop than dull Harry. Not necessarily better but with more creative authenticity and originality.

by Anonymousreply 318November 19, 2020 11:26 AM

And gives his bussy up to the right powerful men.

by Anonymousreply 319November 19, 2020 11:26 AM

Junkie Zayn looking like a cross between a zombie and Pete Doherty.

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by Anonymousreply 320November 19, 2020 12:10 PM

In the end he does something right, I guess, if people who can't even stand him can write whole essays about him, despite him being so boring and bland lol. But for real, no matter if you like his music or even his personality at all or can't stand him. There's no reason why someone with his voice - and he certainly can sing - and who came out of the biggest boyband of the 2000s should do.. kid's telly? That's just trolling.

Will his current, very impressive success last? Nobody can say, especially not in the fast-paced world of pop. And yeah, I can see some dangers in the way he's currently positioning his brand and image, things where I feel they don't fit or don't work to his advantage, feel inorganic, could cause backlash or drown out his actual, authentic charisma and talent. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm not. I guess we'll see how he'll proceed and if the success of this era and the path he embarked on will shape the rest of his career (positively or negatively).

by Anonymousreply 321November 19, 2020 1:16 PM

R239 He is pan.

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by Anonymousreply 322November 19, 2020 1:30 PM

R316 You have to search the - not always freely available - databases of the different performing rights organisations (PRO) for the songs and they will list the percentages of their own songwriters. So trying to get a picture of how much someone wrote, you need to have songwriters that are represented by different PROs. Most of the time that can be quite tricky (e.g. it's not possible to tell with 1D songs), but Harry is represented by a different PRO than his collaborators, so fans have calculated how much he wrote on which song. You can probably find their collected info somewhere.

Iirc his credits were between 25 and 80 % per song, about 40% of each album overall. However this number can be misleading, because if a song has for example 5 songwriters and Harry holds 40% of the writing credits, then the other 60% are split among 4 songwriters and Harry would still have contributed the most of any writer individually.

by Anonymousreply 323November 19, 2020 1:31 PM

Cute as a button. It appears he is someone's very adorable dress up doll. Perhaps his own. He's not some beefy Scotsman who'd look great in a kilt, so you have to work with what you got.

Chicken legs. Chicken cutlets. Perhaps he can duet with Miley.

by Anonymousreply 324November 19, 2020 1:33 PM

R322 Same thing

by Anonymousreply 325November 19, 2020 1:39 PM

You can tell the supporters posting so vehemently here aren't gay men, or even long-time DL regulars, because why would they discuss Styles when Payne is a massive misogynist, cosplays as a downlow thug, and also looks like this now? Liam is basically DL catnip.

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by Anonymousreply 326November 19, 2020 1:55 PM

From the Vogue shoot - Harry shows off his great singing skills (snigger!).

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by Anonymousreply 327November 19, 2020 2:03 PM

[quote]so fans have calculated how much he wrote on which song

Oh, so it's bullshit then.

R326 And a homophobe too, judging by that Duck Dynasty stuff.

by Anonymousreply 328November 19, 2020 2:08 PM

Harry's songs are pedestrian r423, so even if he wrote most of them he's still no great artist by any means, certainly not to the degree his fans think he is.

by Anonymousreply 329November 19, 2020 2:20 PM

R328 Just looked it up, Harry is the only one represented by Global Music Rights, so no, the percentages are clearly there for everyone to see, no bullshit. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 330November 19, 2020 2:22 PM

R330 So...where are the links so we can all see?

by Anonymousreply 331November 19, 2020 5:25 PM

Troye Sivan's music keeps getting better. He is really reaching his potential.

by Anonymousreply 332November 19, 2020 5:26 PM

So Niall is the most musically gifted, Zayn is the most vocally gifted and Harry is the most charismatic. The rest were just there to be there. Liam has a nice body, so there's that.

by Anonymousreply 333November 19, 2020 5:34 PM

R331 Here it is. Just enter "Styles" into the search and it gives you all his registered songs and his respective songwriting percentage (except 1D songs of course, because he wasn't with GMR yet back then).

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by Anonymousreply 334November 19, 2020 5:39 PM

R334 So, only one song on there has him as the author of more than 50% of it, and you're claiming this proves he writes most of his own stuff. Stans are so tiresome with their lies, no wonder you kept avoiding posting the link.

by Anonymousreply 335November 19, 2020 5:42 PM

he looks like an ugly angry lesbian who's had a double mastectomy

by Anonymousreply 336November 19, 2020 5:51 PM

Some people seem to think writing credits are set in stone. There is no hard rule for how credits are distributed. As someone noted before, smart pop stars *cough* Beyoncé *cough* will ask for partial song writing credit, usually by changing a word or two in the lyrics.

by Anonymousreply 337November 19, 2020 5:55 PM

R335 Get your glasses, and read R323 again. I wrote he has between 25 and 80 % of each song, on average about 40 %. And about this average number:

[quote]However this number can be misleading, because if a song has for example 5 songwriters and Harry holds 40% of the writing credits, then the other 60% are split among 4 songwriters and Harry would still have contributed the most of any writer individually.

It's really not that hard to understand and easy to see in the GMR database?

by Anonymousreply 338November 19, 2020 5:56 PM

R337 Sure, but since we have no idea what happened in the recording studio we can only go by what is official data. Or we can just say everything is wrong and make up theories about how he didn't write a single thing that can never be proven or disproven lol.

Between some demanding the exact percentage and link to the GMR database and others saying it's all lies anyway, it's kind of futile to talk about it, right?

by Anonymousreply 339November 19, 2020 5:59 PM

R338 And you're making the assumption the other percentages are split evenly. Checked on that, have you?

by Anonymousreply 340November 19, 2020 5:59 PM

R340 I never said that. I just said it's split among the remaining songwriters, could be unevenly split as well. However if there are for example 4 songwriters left, it seems pretty unlikely that one of them also has 40 % writing credits like Harry or even more, because then the other three would only have 20 % or less together (which would be for example < 6,7 % per writer if evenly split). I thought that's pretty much self-evident.

Of course with songs where Harry has 25 % credit and there are three other songwriters (= 4 total) it's most likely an even split among all of them. In these cases he doesn't have the most individual writing credit, but the same as the others, duh.

by Anonymousreply 341November 19, 2020 6:07 PM

Didn't Elvis demand half of the publishing of songs he consented to record? Publishing tells you business arrangements.

by Anonymousreply 342November 19, 2020 6:09 PM

R341 "I never said that" and then proceeds to restate exactly what I said you said. So to answer my question, you're just assuming that's the case? You haven't looked it up to check?

by Anonymousreply 343November 19, 2020 6:12 PM

R343 No, I've said, I have no idea how the non-Harry writing credits are split - how should I? But for most songs it seems mathematically quite unlikely that another songwriter wrote more on that song than him. Because his percentage is so relatively high in relation to the number of songwriters, that the others would be left with nearly nothing, if that were the case. So yes, it's an assumption, but a fair one unless you want to find every unlikely scenario to say "ha! He didn't write most of it!". But in that case why not just assume all writing credits are wrong anyway.

Trust me, with songs like Treat People With Kindness I'd gladly blame someone else for that. Unfortunately he has actually 50 % writing credit and only two other songwriters, which means it's mathematically impossible that he didn't write most of it. Tragic. But that's what the numbers say.

by Anonymousreply 344November 19, 2020 6:25 PM

And if that didn't come across: for example with a song like TPWK the other two songwriters (Jeff Bhasker and Ilsey Juber) are with BMI. So the BMI database only list the song as written by 50 % BMI songwriters, but doesn't specify what percentage was written by Bhasker and what by Juber. Therefore I can't look it up to check - I can only say for sure what Harry wrote due to the GMR database.

by Anonymousreply 345November 19, 2020 6:30 PM

[quote]it seems pretty unlikely that one of them also has 40 % writing credits like Harry or even more, because then the other three would only have 20 % or less together (which would be for example < 6,7 % per writer if evenly split). I thought that's pretty much self-evident.

And yet two of the writers on Sign of the Times are sharing 9%. Pretty unlikely?

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by Anonymousreply 346November 19, 2020 6:33 PM

On the same topic - do these external songwriters get an additional payment up front? I can't imagine that once they're at a certain level they work for months on these projects just on the hope of these royalties at the end of it? I vaguely remember something about Styles and the co-writers doing most of the work...somewhere tropical? An island somewhere, I think? Presumably they're not paying their own way for that kind of stuff?

by Anonymousreply 347November 19, 2020 6:46 PM

R346 Yes, in general I find it rather unlikely, especially the less songwriters work on a song, but sure, apparently it's possible. But with SOTT we have a good example: 50% writing by Harry, 9.5% writing by Salibian and Nasci (together) and 40.5% by Mitch, Tyler and Jeff Bhasker. So even if two of them also have about 10% combined writing credit, the third one would have about 30% = less than the 50% by Harry.

But we can split hairs on that forever now, I'm not sure it changes that much about the overall picture. Harry has a good portion of writing credit on every song of his album. And where we can find out more about percentages, he tends to contribute the most per writer - for better for for worse lol.

by Anonymousreply 348November 19, 2020 7:07 PM

R347 I honestly don't know how it works. Interesting question! On the one hand it's hard to imagine that they might spend weeks in some studio writing songs without knowing if they'll even earn something with that, on the other hand they could be self-employed and it could be their business risk - just like the singer's. However since a lot of singers write a ton of stuff with songwriters that never gets released, I somehow doubt it. So maybe expenses for songwriters are part of the general expenses for recording? Pretty sure they'll get at least reimbursed for the cost of their stay.

(It was Jamaica for Harry's first album.)

by Anonymousreply 349November 19, 2020 7:14 PM

'Harry's songs are pedestrian '

The world disagrees with you. Fine Line just passed 3 billion streams. 'Pedestrian' is such an inaccurate way to describe jaunty earworms like Watermelon Sugar and Adore You. Harry is the most popular white male artist on TikTok. Billions of videos of people dancing to his songs. 'Pedestrian' songs like the ones on Niall's Flicker or Walls don't get this kind of attention.

by Anonymousreply 350November 19, 2020 10:05 PM

'So Niall is the most musically gifted, Zayn is the most vocally gifted and Harry is the most charismatic. '

Niall is dumb as a slug and can't even write an accurate tweet without making very basic grammar, punctuation and spelling errors. He can play guitar but has no flair for melody or lyrics. He uses three of the 1d songwriters on every song on Heartbreak Weather. His voice also has an unpleasant tone, like a drunk singing at last orders.

by Anonymousreply 351November 19, 2020 10:07 PM

'As someone noted before, smart pop stars *cough* Beyoncé *cough* will ask for partial song writing credit, usually by changing a word or two in the lyrics.'

Writing 'cough' like that puts an age stamp on you. Tumblr crone aged about 50 is my guess. You used to be a Larrie and feel oh so let down by Styles, so you come to this thread every day to vent your resentment and make comical statements like 'committees write his songs'.

by Anonymousreply 352November 19, 2020 10:10 PM

This blog popfan4ever belongs to the notorious DL Welp Troll.

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by Anonymousreply 353November 20, 2020 12:17 AM

R352. Younger than you you old queen. I don't give 2 shits about One Direction, but I do take offense to imbeciles parading this no talent, ugly slug as the next coming of Bowie or Prince. He's a shitty, manufactured pop star of questionable talent.

by Anonymousreply 354November 20, 2020 9:24 AM

Harry's stylist Harry Lambert, who recently also got Emma Corrin as client, has shared some looks they couldn't use due to The Crown's promo being impacted by covid-19. Maybe I don't "get it", but... I don't know, does this look good to fashion people?

Also laughing about her saying “I remember growing up wanting to play with the boundaries of what was considered ‘feminine’ and ‘masculine’ clothing, but feeling like I couldn’t or shouldn’t for whatever reason,” because it really sounds a lot like Harry promo speak and these looks aren't even particularly gender bending. Seems like they just say things their stylist said about his artistic vision. And Harry's fans are out there pretending he is living his individual, innermost truth through all his public outfits lol.

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by Anonymousreply 356November 20, 2020 8:36 PM

Exhibit B.

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by Anonymousreply 357November 20, 2020 8:37 PM

R355 Christ those are awful. Genuinely looks like stuff Edina Monsoon would wear.

Fashion people are just scared of being the odd one out, so they praise everything different because they don't want to be caught out as the only one saying something looks bad. Plus if they did say something looks bad, they get cut off.

by Anonymousreply 358November 20, 2020 8:38 PM

"Hello ladies."

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by Anonymousreply 359November 20, 2020 8:38 PM

[Quote] Fashion people are just scared of being the odd one out, so they praise everything different because they don't want to be caught out as the only one saying something looks bad. Plus if they did say something looks bad, they get cut off.

If that were the case, every fashion show would be deemed a success.

by Anonymousreply 360November 20, 2020 8:40 PM

Sexy beast but not in that photo spread. Prefer him half naked in ROLLING STONE. Did you know they photoshopped out his hairy armpits on the cover? I bought a still of it and there was plenty of hair so he doesn't shave it. Why would they do that?

by Anonymousreply 361November 20, 2020 8:43 PM

R360 No, it would mean the 'critics' generally have the same opinions about the same shows.

by Anonymousreply 362November 20, 2020 8:43 PM

R356 It could be, I see what you mean, but she also reminds me quite a bit of young Jodie Foster, so I feel that informs any impression I have on her. In any case, even if her interest in the masculine is very real (and it's not even a thing for all lesbians, while it can also be of interest to straight women) the funny thing is that those outfits don't even portray that. Most of them are just dresses.

R358 I can see that. Doesn't mean they generally agree with everything, but it sometimes feel like they're so afraid to appear "mundane", that they praise everything weird and ugly, to show how innovative and creative they are. And as you said, in this environment of trying to be the artsiest, nobody want's to look like the odd one out, who doesn't "get it".

R361 Doesn't look like they photoshopped it, the hairy pits are still there. Maybe light and depth of field plays a role.

by Anonymousreply 363November 20, 2020 9:17 PM

[QUOTE] Emma Corrin pings big time. I don't think her interest in masc

Do people still use the word 'pings'? Why so many grandmas on this thead?

by Anonymousreply 364November 20, 2020 9:20 PM

R364 Well apparently "grandmas" are the only ones showing interest in your dull little god.

by Anonymousreply 365November 20, 2020 9:32 PM

“As a musician, Harry has moved effortlessly from the boy-pop of 1D to the ‘70s sun-drenched rock and roll of his solo career. As a muse and friend to Gucci’s Alessandro Michele, he personifies a loose, insouciant, and extremely modern way of approaching fashion .”

Anna Wintour

by Anonymousreply 366November 21, 2020 1:24 AM

'Well apparently "grandmas" are the only ones showing interest in your dull little god.'

Grandmas haven't given Fine Line 3b streams. Try again.

by Anonymousreply 367November 21, 2020 1:25 AM

Ping! Ping! Ping!

by Anonymousreply 368November 21, 2020 1:29 AM

How pretentious, he thinks he is different from the others. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 369November 21, 2020 1:30 AM

I know genderfluid/non-binary people and usually don't bring attention to them or treat it like it's anything special. I really don't know why people give a shit if a man wears a dress. Who gives a shit? We have COVID-19, an economic crisis and are in a neo-Cold War

by Anonymousreply 370November 21, 2020 1:48 AM

Anna Wintour's comment was well written, but I not sure where the "rock and roll" in his second album is. There's like.. one slow rock song and maybe two songs with soft rock influences, but that includes Watermelon Sugar, so I'm generous here.

by Anonymousreply 371November 21, 2020 1:49 AM

Harry is "rock" the same way that Avril Lavigne, Ashlee Simpson and Nick Carter were if that answers your question. Well-produced pop music with a rock twist. Unlike the previous, Harry switched it up with more folk and psychedelic sound and a retro 1960s "Mod" cosplay.

But anyway, rock bands like The Killers have a new album and so do The Strokes and Vampire Weekend but none of them will get any attention as they are "old".

by Anonymousreply 372November 21, 2020 1:55 AM

"Adore You" is a Steve Winwood crib.

by Anonymousreply 373November 21, 2020 1:58 AM

R372 Oh god, his music might not be rock, but at least it's miles better than those lol.

I think his first album can fit into the rock/folk category (which is also why it was certified as rock in the US) and of course I have no problem listening to music that is not rock, even though I think it fits him well. But it's still funny how people act like he's bringing rock back, which has admittedly been in a decline in the last few years. However his new music is literally submitted in all the pop categories of the Grammys and the RIAA certifications are pop as well (even the old certifications, that previously were rock get changed to pop when they're updated). So if anything he left rock for a pop/funk/folk based sound and is not bringing it back.

by Anonymousreply 374November 21, 2020 2:16 AM

I think his music has a nice 60s Simon and Garfunkle feel myself. Not what I was expecting. And he definitely looks like a star.

by Anonymousreply 375November 21, 2020 2:30 AM

He looks ridiculous.

This is also just an ugly photograph.

by Anonymousreply 376November 21, 2020 2:37 AM

[Quote] So if anything he left rock

He was ignored when he submitted his first album to the Grammys as Rock.

by Anonymousreply 377November 21, 2020 2:44 AM

R377 Yeah, I know, but doesn't change the album's sound? Or do you mean that you think this was his reason for changing genre?

by Anonymousreply 378November 21, 2020 3:20 AM

Who really cares about this? In what universe is Harry Styles considered sexy? He wasn't even the cutest one in his boy band.

by Anonymousreply 379November 21, 2020 3:45 AM

Harry's fans, who (at least from social media) are almost all from "authoritarian" countries where what he's doing might appear "radical" but those of us from Harry's own country know is pedestrian product forced onto us with a huge marketing drive, think he's the most amazing person ever. They think he's uber-sexy (they're all about 15 and very likely virgins) and an amazing songwriter, a fashion icon with great charisma, a brilliant performer and just an all-round amazing, wonderful guy. The only other "western" pop celebs they know are Bieber, Beyonce, Rihanna, etc. all that mainstream manufactured pap, so for them Harry is "alternative". They're almost as bad as Gaga's "Little Devils" morons used to be.

by Anonymousreply 380November 21, 2020 5:09 PM

I think the Vogue cover with Harry Styles is hysterical. To me, it's an inside joke, the first man on their cover, and to have him wear a dress. Styles seems to have a sense of humor and agreed to be part of the plan.

I do think the dress should have been something completely different and much more interesting. Not this Little House on the Prairie bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 381November 21, 2020 5:30 PM

R380. Everything is tame nowadays. Even in America people have to pretend Harry Styles is some gender bending revolutionary when straight guys playing heavy metal in the 80s were all dressed like women. Pop culture is a lot more conservative now. Cardi B is just a rehash of ' L'il Kim and Foxy Brown. All new trendy, so called edgy fashion is just aped from Thierry Muffler '92-'97. There seems to be a trend where cultural commentators treat the past as some dark reactionary stain that needs to be saved by modern day transgressive artists like Harry Styles. In reality he is vanilla as fuck and artists from the 70s to the 90s took way more risks. He's Donny Osmond in a dress.

by Anonymousreply 382November 21, 2020 6:12 PM

I'm around the same age as Harry Styles. I don't see anything he's doing as legendary mainly because I wasn't the target demographic for 1D. Now I know people younger usually in their teens or early 20s who see Harry as this amazing musician breaking grounds. Mainly because they are young and want a role model.

I gave Harry props for having sexually ambiguous lyrics because it's refreshing from the "I love pussy" most male singers/rappers do. and being in touch with his feminine side. Male sensitivity is much needed.

However wearing makeup, heels, dresses and colorful clothes are not groundbreaking. In my youth we had Dennis Rodman, Andre 3000, Cam'ron and Kanye doing that type of stuff. We also had Billie Joe Armstrong, Gerard Way, Brandon Flowers and Adam Lambert.

And of course the 1960s to 1980s had flamboyant front men doing all sorts of gender bending.

What I do take issue is Harry being called this icon for the gay and queer community and being considered part of the community. Harry is an ally and unless he comes out he isn't part of the community. We already have so many openly gay and bi musicians it's not necessary to try to claim him.

by Anonymousreply 383November 21, 2020 7:09 PM

R382 I've often wondered why the entire media seems so unanimously enthralled by Styles, your theory would explain that perfectly.

[quote]I gave Harry props for having sexually ambiguous lyrics because it's refreshing from the "I love pussy"

I mean, he has a whole song which is basically that

by Anonymousreply 384November 21, 2020 7:37 PM

R384. Yes, it's very humorus to see people tie themselves in knots trying to explain how a song about eating pussy is breaking new ground. It just seems like self deception by some of his fans because their favs need to be morally clean and 'unproblematic'. When they are confronted with an aspect of their fav that they find morally dubious they put a spin on the behavior so they don't feel like hypocrites. I said it earlier in this thread, but Harry Styles is a boring, straight white guy who isn't particularly talented. He's the epitome of the 'mediocre white guys' the wokeratti love to hate, yet he's their darling. Many women, especially POC women won't admit it, but they love vanilla ass white boys.

by Anonymousreply 385November 21, 2020 8:08 PM

I can't think of many pop songs that allude to cunnilingus - actual hit pop songs, not album tracks.

by Anonymousreply 386November 21, 2020 8:10 PM

R385 I would've loved to see the reaction of those same fans if Liam Payne had released a song like that

by Anonymousreply 387November 21, 2020 8:10 PM

Most "woke" people are white suburban youth usually hetero too. It's humorous seeing them act condescending to actual minorities.

by Anonymousreply 388November 21, 2020 8:14 PM

I mean, I don't claim to understand his fans at all, but why would a song from a guy (who is known to have dated women) about eating pussy "morally dubious" or even problematic?

by Anonymousreply 389November 21, 2020 8:16 PM

Harry not saying BLM makes no difference to black people.

It's someone like Justin Timberlake and Justin Bieber who actually sing R&B music or rappers like Eminem and Post Malone. White people who have popularity in the black community that get the most flack from black people for saying ignorant things or being silent.

Source: black guy.

by Anonymousreply 390November 21, 2020 8:18 PM

I don't understand the second section of your post.

by Anonymousreply 391November 21, 2020 8:20 PM

You had songs like "Back Door Man" by Howling Wolf, "Cherry Pie" by Warrant, "Inside My Love" by Minnie Riperton, "Honey" by Mariah and "Go Deep" by Janet that all are pretty graphic for non-rap songs.

by Anonymousreply 392November 21, 2020 8:23 PM

He looks like shit. I’d you’re going to put men in dresses please still make it flattering

by Anonymousreply 393November 21, 2020 8:24 PM

Personally I don't care if he's mediocre or outstanding, especially not if he's "morally superior" or something like that. That's usually quite tiresome anyway. I just like his voice and music, especially his more rock influenced songs, and he seemed like a charming, funny and nice enough guy. I still think that his current flamboyant woke pop king shtick - no matter if he's truly into it right now or if it's more for image purposes - doesn't really fit him. As already mentioned there are plenty of artists, who have done the whole flamboyant over the top fashion thing before and I wouldn't even mind a repeat, but on him it just seems to me more put on than natural self-expression like for those artists. But what do I know, maybe that's just my impression.

by Anonymousreply 394November 21, 2020 8:27 PM

R389 Because they want to believe he's super-woke and so would never reduce women to just being sex-objects.

by Anonymousreply 395November 21, 2020 8:36 PM

Not sure how a song about something as nice as oral sex, especially for the receiving partner, is "reducing women to sex objects", but it seems generation z is afraid of having fun anyway. They'd also cancel all the songs of R392 and probably half of music history.

by Anonymousreply 396November 21, 2020 8:41 PM

But it's about pussy juice. The woman isn't an object.

by Anonymousreply 397November 21, 2020 8:41 PM

R397 What part of super-woke is confusing you?

by Anonymousreply 398November 21, 2020 8:43 PM

R396 The woke crowd is low key conservative. In another era they would be church ladies. They clutch their pearls at everything that doesn't live up to their high standards. Make one mistake and you are excommunicated. Aziz Ansari was literally cancelled for being bad at sex.

by Anonymousreply 399November 21, 2020 8:48 PM

R399 lol sounds spot on though. But why appeal to pearl clutchers as your main audience? Seems like asking for problems sooner or later.

by Anonymousreply 400November 21, 2020 9:16 PM

No pop star's main audience is pearl clutchers. Some of you take "controversy" too seriously.

by Anonymousreply 401November 21, 2020 9:17 PM

R401 Yes, that's true, big streaming numbers only happen if the general public likes you. But I wondered more about the appealing to the pearl clutchers part, no matter if they make up the majority of his audience or not, because it seems like he's very consciously positioning himself as the new, super woke kind of pop/rock star, that embodies all their ideals. That makes it seem easier to trip and not meet expectations.

by Anonymousreply 402November 21, 2020 9:32 PM

And that' probably why he stays vague in his statements.

by Anonymousreply 403November 21, 2020 9:33 PM

I wonder if Harry was actually gay like Troye Sivan, Adam Lambert and Rufus Wainwright would he be as popular and mainstream as he is now. Lil Nas X was a fad and one-hit wonder. Elton John and George Michael were closeted during their peaks, so after they came out the public liked their music and they were insanely taleneted so much they kept their careers alive.

by Anonymousreply 404November 21, 2020 11:19 PM

George Michal's career was dead in the biggest music market PRIOR to his men's room antics.

by Anonymousreply 405November 21, 2020 11:21 PM

R401 the average teenage girl is very prudish. If a guy doesn't text them back, they think they're being abused. If they regret sex, it's rape. They are so emotionally fragile.

by Anonymousreply 406November 21, 2020 11:24 PM

R405 I don't think the scandal completely killed his career. His mental issues, drug abuse and lack of musical releases did too.

by Anonymousreply 407November 21, 2020 11:26 PM

Prudes regret sex and cry rape? Are you insane?

by Anonymousreply 408November 21, 2020 11:26 PM

R404. Of course not. If he was an out gay man he wouldn't be marketable to straight women. 75% of fame is marketing.

by Anonymousreply 409November 21, 2020 11:26 PM

George Michael's career was knocked off the A List by his struggles with his record label. He wanted to stop appearing in his music videos. All of this combined to diminish his commercial fortunes. He remained a star elsewhere and his Greatest Hits after coming out did well. But he was creatively spent in the aftermath and he never recovered. His mother's death has been implicated in that.

by Anonymousreply 410November 21, 2020 11:28 PM

John Barrowman's music was marketed to straight women. His success was on a much smaller scale, of course. But he was able to tour his music.

by Anonymousreply 411November 21, 2020 11:29 PM

R400 You have to remember he pre-dated wokeness. But as it came in, his fanbase jumped on it, and decided he must be woke too - despite little evidence that he is. So it wasn't so much a case of trying to appeal to them as much as not wanting to alienate his obsessive fans - the type who leave his album on repeat on Spotify when they're at school so his streaming numbers go up (seriously, they do this). He's actually not really done anything to build that image himself, but he's also done nothing to correct people when they attribute those elements to him.

There's been a few different occasions over the years where his lack of wokeness has been made pretty clear, and yet his fans overlook all of this. The only time they slightly rebelled was over the BLM stuff. But there's been plenty more stuff which they'd gladly cancel others for, whereas when Harry does it they just pretend he hasn't.

by Anonymousreply 412November 21, 2020 11:41 PM

R404 that's a good question, I actually got into an argument with a homophobe on Facebook last week, he said "any man who dresses like a woman has mental issues" and then he brought up Boy George, to which I replied, "It was fashionable in the 70s and 80s for men in pop and rock regardless of their sexual orientation to dress up as women look at early Motley Crue, they looked like drag queens"

To which his response was, " Motley Crue were real men who got tons of pussy don't compare them to a little fag like Boy George! "

So his point is, men are mentally disturbed if they dress up as women except if you're straight guys who get pussy like Motley Crue than its ok and even makes them "real men"???

Jeez, straight guys are fucking ridiculous....

by Anonymousreply 413November 21, 2020 11:42 PM

That anecdote rather indicates that homophobes don't just hate effeminacy. They're aren't "good"/normal gays and bad/femme gays to them.

by Anonymousreply 414November 21, 2020 11:51 PM

R412 I can see that maybe it developed as a fan demand, since 1D as a band wasn't yet as concerned with wokeness, just normal charity work basically every UK artist does. And even to this day Niall doesn't have this image to the same extent as Harry (and also doesn't get cancelled for perceived oversights). On the other hand Harry made Treat People With Kindness his whole brand, so he definitely has this element present and as you said, is also content with the way his fans fill in the gaps of what he doesn't specify and accordingly run this ship.

Although I wouldn't necessarily agree that these fans are more lenient with him than any other fans with their fav. I actually saw more outrage by them over multiple matters in the short span of just 1.5 years than I've ever seen anywhere else. His luck (?) is just, that most of these fans stayed even after they semi-cancelled him, possibly, because they just wanted to get a reaction and he always gives them that at least in some form (validation, wokeness, queer aesthetics, room for gay/straight fantasies etc.)

by Anonymousreply 415November 22, 2020 1:13 AM

Outrage, or "outrage" is a marketing tool now.

by Anonymousreply 416November 22, 2020 1:18 AM

Since the fan outrage I meant was at times close to damaging his career, I doubt it was a marketing tool - apart from his team probably learning from it what there is demand for.

by Anonymousreply 417November 22, 2020 1:40 AM

Fan outrage of cunnilingus was never going to damage his career. It just gets fans fighting, and thus talking about him, to drum up some noise for the song.

by Anonymousreply 418November 22, 2020 1:43 AM

Yeah, that was a minor blip and I feel mostly among Larries and fans of the other 1D boys. I rather meant outrage where they contacted the media in order to create negative press and public pressure on him and such things.

by Anonymousreply 419November 22, 2020 2:25 AM

[QUOTE] Harry's fans, who (at least from social media) are almost all from "authoritarian" countries where what he's doing might appear "radical"...

His fans are mainly from the US, UK, Europe and Australia. His album is double platinum in the US, platinum in the UK and Australia.

It's Zayn who is popular in the Middle East, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, not Harry.

by Anonymousreply 420November 22, 2020 8:45 AM

[QUOTE] rather meant outrage where they contacted the media in order to create negative press and public pressure on him and such things.

Harry has so many stans who want to chide and school him that they have a name - Educators. These 'fans' have called him out for agreeing to play a Pepsi pre show and twice for not clarifying his position on Palestine. On all three occasions they had 'Harry Styles is cancelled' trending for hours.

by Anonymousreply 421November 22, 2020 8:48 AM

Harry is 26. So he is aging out of teen stardom. He's got to go for a mature sound for his next album. Usually at this age you have to really win over adult fans.

Britney had Blackout/Circus at 25/26.

Beyonce had Sasha Fierce at 27.

Justin Timberlake had FS/LS at 25.

So far Harry has done well and older women do adore him just they do with Timberlake, Bieber and Chris Brown.

by Anonymousreply 422November 22, 2020 1:59 PM

Also homophobes hate gay/bi men regardless of how they present themselves. "Straight-acting" (a term I personally hate) guys will be tolerated more but still will be seen as "defective" and will be told to "find the right girl".

Axl Rose, Bret Michaels and Bon Jovi despite makeup and long hair were very hetero and had aggressive macho lyrics. "Cock rock" as they say. Prince butched it up in the 90s and Bowie butched it up in the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 423November 22, 2020 2:16 PM

R409 makes a ridiculous statement, and he well knows it.

Little Richard? Barry Manilow? Ricky Martin? All legends of the pop world, attracting scores of female fans even after they came out or it became obvious beyond shadow of a doubt they were gay.

by Anonymousreply 424November 22, 2020 2:39 PM

R423 is clearly unfamiliar with GRAFFITI BRIDGE, and the NPG Era. But go off, I guess.

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by Anonymousreply 425November 22, 2020 2:57 PM

R425 Good point those were in the early 90s. I guess it's more apt to say he started dressing down and became less flamboyant after he married and divorced Mayte and became involved with the Jehovah's Witness religion.

by Anonymousreply 426November 22, 2020 3:32 PM

[QUOTE] Harry is 26. So he is aging out of teen stardom. He's got to go for a mature sound for his next album. Usually at this age you have to really win over adult fans

Both his albums have a mature sound, perhaps too mature in the case of HS1, which alienated quite a few stans. Have you listened to the songs She and Fine Line? You couldn't get more serious.

26 is still very young in popstar terms anyway.

by Anonymousreply 427November 22, 2020 4:55 PM

I agree, if anything the HS1 sound was too mature for the fan base he had. That's why there were whispers in the music industry that the record label wasn't too happy he didn't go for a more palatable sound for these fans.

Fine Line has some radio friendly hits and - as a whole - sounds a bit "younger" or whatever you want to call it. He has mostly forgone rock, wrote more easily approachable lyrics for the folky songs, upped the production and seemed soundwise more inspired by more recent artists (for example Bon Iver and Vampire Weekend instead of 70s classic rock). Still reached quite a few adult fans, because while most may be pop, it's hardly teen pop.

She is the song that musically stands out to me the most, probably my favourite. Fine Line is lyrically the most interesting.

by Anonymousreply 428November 22, 2020 10:31 PM

Grammy nominations are announced tomorrow. Got a nasty feeling that Harry will be snubbed in favour of black artists. Fine Line is at 4 on Global Spotify, the only 2019 album in the top 20, and above After Hours and Folklore.

Harry won Best Rock and Pop Album at the AMAs last night, beating the other candidates After Hours and Folklore, but decided to do his aloof thing by not even recording a thank you video.

by Anonymousreply 429November 23, 2020 11:33 PM

I think he will get 1-3 Grammy nominations despite the focus on black artists this year, Fine Line's success is hard to ignore and he's far less connected to his boyband past in people's minds than during his first era (even though musically HS1 was actually more of a departure). Winning on the other hand might not happen, I think Abel will sweep most categories.

Harry doing his aloof thing amuses me, especially since it was a fan voted category. Between this and leaving that radio guy hanging, who got promised an interview by the record label (the first one since March?), but Harry is too "busy"... yeah, looks like he prefers to keep away from being public Mr. Harry Styles and the fans. As would I tbh.

by Anonymousreply 430November 24, 2020 1:53 AM

Harry's music is much better than the dreck that Mendes and Bieber are putting out. Bieber is the biggest waste of talent ever because he can sing and is a great performer but his music just sucks. His highest point was with Purpose and even that wasn't even that good.

by Anonymousreply 431November 24, 2020 8:53 AM

i got a good chuckle at "He's Donny Omond in a dress." R382, that there would be a better, edgier Vogue cover.

by Anonymousreply 432November 24, 2020 11:03 AM

Three Grammy noms! He's done really well. Best Pop Vocal Album, Best Pop Solo Performance, Best Music Video.

The Weeknd was snubbed in all six categories he entered - biggest shock of the night. Taylor's dreary Folkbore got 6 noms. So sick of her.

by Anonymousreply 433November 24, 2020 10:04 PM

He go the maximum Grammy nominations I predicted, well done! Still glad I'm not a bookmaker considering that I thought The Weeknd will sweep lol. It is indeed quite shocking, I'd never expected that - especially Justin Bieber's awful Yummy nominated over Blinding Lights. And then Bieber having the nerve to complain, very entertaining.

I guess Harry and his team got what they worked towards to. It's definitely an achievement. Let's see if he can win one of those, I think Watermelon Sugar might actually have the best chances out of all nominated categories (I think BVPA will go to Taylor or Dua), but who knows. Still, as much of a fun summer song Watermelon Sugar is, that this might be his musical "legacy" - over Sign of the Times for example - is a bit ironic.

I'm extremely curious what this recognition will mean for his future music.

by Anonymousreply 434November 24, 2020 10:22 PM

It's curious that none of his team or band have acknowledged the nominations so far, I think? I didn't think he himself would say anything, because he's not on social media and kept silent on all the award stuff. But the silence from HSHQ, his management, band and even family is interesting. I've only seen comments from his stylists (of course lol), his creative director and one of his producers.

by Anonymousreply 435November 25, 2020 6:32 AM

You know he doesn't want to go. Grammies are a joke. And he'd have to look at his bitter ex win all night, to boot.

by Anonymousreply 436November 25, 2020 6:59 PM

As if he’d go to an American awards show. How gauche. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 437November 25, 2020 11:34 PM

I doubt he doesn't want to go to the Grammys lol. They might be a joke, but they're still the most prestigious music awards right now. Just like the Oscars are a shadow of what they once were, but they're still relevant. Also why wouldn't he want to go to the Grammys when it seems that this seems to have clearly been an ambition? They are the milestone that definitely sets him apart from his beginnings. If anything I side-eye him for how obviously he and his team pushed his "pop but make it quirky" branding and ensured his commercial success - even though I realise the importance. Not wanting to reap the benefits of this, including overturning his music and image after his first album, wouldn't make sense in my eyes.

by Anonymousreply 438November 25, 2020 11:56 PM

He'll go to the Grammys and perform just like he went to the Brits. It's only the AMAs he shunned because they didn't nominate him for best artist. He's going to the Variety awards where he won the major one too and he sent a thank you video for the ARIAS where he won Best International Artist. He's had a phenomenal year.

by Anonymousreply 439November 25, 2020 11:59 PM

The year of the plague belonged to Harry.

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by Anonymousreply 440November 26, 2020 12:45 AM

R437 here...

That was my attempt at sarcasm. I’m a Harry stan and I’m thrilled for him and would love to see him attend, even if he doesn’t win. He has been one of the bright spots in this absolute shit-show of a year.

by Anonymousreply 441November 26, 2020 1:10 AM

This man always looks dirty and slimy. I never got his appeal. He's certainly not attractive. He's average in the face with a horrible untoned body.

I was shocked to hear he's only 26! That's one rough looking 26 year old. I thought he was well into his 30s, possibly close to 40.

by Anonymousreply 442November 26, 2020 1:22 AM

R442 he has an ugly/cute appeal like Mick Jagger and Harry plays into the Jagger comparisons. I've never understood it. I think he looks like a rat.

by Anonymousreply 443November 26, 2020 2:40 AM

Trolldar reveals that the Californian at R442 is responsible for nearly all the vitriolic comments about Harry's looks on this thread. They also think that all his fans are 'non white' and clearly intend this as an insult, because they are racist.

R442 is homophobic and posted this on another thread:

"When asked about the stigma attached to anal sex, they said the issue resonates from people thinking that the body part is a “dirty” or “filthy” place." Well it is."

I've put them on ignore and suggest the other Harry fans on this thread do the same. It's not sensible criticism - they're calling him flabby, a rat etc just like a 15 year old.

Good news is they had a nightmare year choking in the wildfires.

by Anonymousreply 444November 26, 2020 3:54 PM

[quote]Trolldar reveals that the Californian at [R442] is responsible for nearly all the vitriolic comments about Harry's looks on this thread. They also think that all his fans are 'non white' and clearly intend this as an insult, because they are racist. [R442] is homophobic and posted this on another thread: "When asked about the stigma attached to anal sex, they said the issue resonates from people thinking that the body part is a “dirty” or “filthy” place." Well it is." I've put them on ignore and suggest the other Harry fans on this thread do the same. It's not sensible criticism - they're calling him flabby, a rat etc just like a 15 year old. Good news is they had a nightmare year choking in the wildfires.

I hate to disappoint you asshole @R444, I've only posted twice in this thread. This is my THIRD post in this thread. I'm NOT a "Californian". In fact I've never been there. As a black man, I'm sure not a racist. Your Trolldar abilities or at least DL's Trolldar is completely wrong.

I've never posted about any stigma attached to anal. WTF? You have made time to track peoples posts? In fact, here at DL, I mostly frequent celebrity and fun threads like the Dollar Tree thread and old products threads, I keep things fun and informative.

I keep out of the endless sex threads, especially the pornstar threads because I find them incredibly boring and tedious. There are way too many threads about not very interesting men whose claim to fame is having big dicks, roided-out bodies and fucking on film, YAWN.

The Trolldar option here at DL has been wrong many times. I've been here over 20+ years, Trolldar at DL has never been 100% correct, it continues to be wrong.

I simply don't find Harry attractive, I think he has minimal talent. End of story. Do you really care this deeply about what an anonymous person thinks about Harry? You don't know me, I sure don't know you. Give it a rest.

The fan boys here at DL post endlessly about this man. Even sadder, some of Harry's fans here are likely a bunch of older gay men thinking this marginally talented man is some kind of spectacularly talented performer. That's the saddest part of all. Especially as these older gay men have lived through years of many truly talented and attractive male performers.

by Anonymousreply 445November 26, 2020 10:05 PM

'Even sadder, some of Harry's fans here are likely a bunch of older gay men thinking this marginally talented man is some kind of spectacularly talented performer'

The entire music and film and fashion industry disagrees with you, cunt. Variety has awarded him Hitmaker of the Year. He won an ARIA for Best International Artist, an AMA for Best Album, THREE GRAMMY NOMS for fuck's sake and you are still here trying to argue that he isn't talented. As if Vogue would have put him on the cover if he was 'ugly and slimy'.

Just fuck off, nobody wants you on this thread and the majority probably have you blocked anyway. I'm going to block you now so I won't be reading your lame, cliched reply that 'this is a place for people to bitch'.

Just fuck off. Everyone can put you on Ignore and check your posts on other threads and they are dubious as hell.

by Anonymousreply 446November 27, 2020 12:41 AM

R446, I'm entitled to my own opinion about this pasty marginally talented singer.

Awards? 😂 🤣😂 🤣 Don't make me laugh. I almost feel bad about your groveling. Do you know how many people won Oscars, Grammys, BRIT Awards, NME awards, Golden Globes, SAGs etc and we never heard from them again?

Actually any magazine which is looking to sell to a specific demographic would put Harry, or any other currently popular celeb, on their cover.

btw, in case you don't know, VOGUE hasn't been relevant for many years. Just look at who Anna Wintour invites to the yearly Met Gala, reality show 'stars' and other idiots! Serious fashionista people have long lost respect for Anna Wintour, she needs to step down. Talking about Harry being on the VOGUE cover shows me how clueless you truly are.

There's no reason to call me a "cunt". Just because we disagree, that's not a valid reason to name call anyone. Are you so into this singer you must spend so much time defending him?

You do realize that lots of famous people laugh about their fans? Especially their super fans who give them presents, wait on 'meet & greet' lines for hours and basically stalk them?

Most celebs only care about your money, these stars are wealthy because of people like you. Surely you must comprehend this? I've worked in the advertising end of the entertainment business for many years, I work with these people, most don't care about their fans, only the fan's money.

Most celebrities actually hate their fans. I almost feel sorry for fans like you, the types who constantly grovel and think someone like Harry Styles cares about them. How sad for fans who spend hours at forums stanning their 'heroes'. People like you who grovel to celebs who despise them are the saddest people of all.

Being blocked? Come on, don't be so juvenile, as if I give a shit about strangers blocking me at a message forum. How old are you, 12? 16? Surely you cannot be an actual adult!

Say, weren't YOU supposed to block me, yet here you are responding to my last post. Talk about ridiculous! I sure did NOT post, "this is a place for people to bitch'". You have certainly mistaken me for someone else. The fact that you are stalking my posts at DL is also quite pathetic! The IP/ISP trolldar option at DL does not work. Got that?

I do so enjoy arguing with a childish stan who never knows when to STFU. Yes, I go it, you WORSHIP Harry Styles. In the grand scheme of things, who cares.

I'll tell Harry you said "Hi"!

Namaste!

by Anonymousreply 447November 27, 2020 1:12 AM

Harry Styles and Taylor Swift are cut from the same cloth. Not particularly talented, but their vanillaness (whiteness) is their selling point. He's being shilled by the music and fashion industry because they need a safe vector to sell music and clothes to the clueless masses.

by Anonymousreply 448November 27, 2020 3:01 AM

Harry honestly has a much better voice than Taylor, which was never her forte. Although Taylor might be a more competent or seasoned songwriter and instrumentalist.

by Anonymousreply 449November 27, 2020 8:21 AM

R449. Having a better voice than Taylor is not that much of an achievement. She can play the guitar moderately well, which is something that cannot be said of Harry Styles.

by Anonymousreply 450November 28, 2020 2:09 AM

Taylor can play the guitar very well and Harry moderately well. If he couldn't, he wouldn't be on stage with one.

by Anonymousreply 451November 28, 2020 2:53 AM

r451 His guitar is a prop. It's always turned down so low as to be inaudible. He needs it to give him cred but he's tooo busy snorting coke to ever play guitar at a professional level. He does not play guitar. Taylor is just an ok player, but she can play.

by Anonymousreply 452November 28, 2020 5:17 AM

Harry plays guitar fairly well and has accompanied himself on occasion, as in the Vogue video where he sang Cherry with just his own guitar.

by Anonymousreply 453November 30, 2020 12:10 AM

R453. Strumming a few chords does not make one a competent guitarist.

by Anonymousreply 454November 30, 2020 12:18 AM

R454 Nobody said that he was a guitar genius, just that he can play enough to accompany himself, which you can hear in several videos (so it's not just a turned down prop). Here it's just him performing Two Ghosts at the Late Late Show in 2017 for example.

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by Anonymousreply 455November 30, 2020 12:36 PM

Harry can definitely play guitar, but the retarded hater here just types out trash every day and is hardly worth engaging with. Harry is at the Variety Awards on Thursday night.

by Anonymousreply 456December 1, 2020 11:41 PM

Looking good

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by Anonymousreply 457December 2, 2020 12:00 AM

Harry is wearing a penis necklace. Odd choice for a straight guy!

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by Anonymousreply 458December 2, 2020 12:27 AM

Harry looking good on the set of Don't Worry Darling.

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by Anonymousreply 459December 2, 2020 1:33 AM

The Variety hitmaker interview is there - same old, basically, he really just gives exactly the same interview answers as always. Not sure why, is he media trained to the point of not being able to vary anything? Is he tired of it all and just phoning it in? Nobody knows.

At least he looks handsome in the photoshoot, even though the outfits look ridiculous and unfitting as always. Between the choice of colours (pink, blue) and the beyond blunt fruit symbolism, I have to think back to the Guardian interview where he really went and said: “Am I sprinkling in nuggets of sexual ambiguity to try and be more interesting? No.” Please... lol.

I really like his voice, I like some of his music, I think he's very handsome. But it's really all about (ugly) fashion and sexuality at this point, it's tiring. He should bang whoever he wants, I wish him nothing but happiness and a lot of great sex with whoever. However to me the intense focus on fashion and sexuality (and the combination of it, which seems old anyway) is not really the most interesting things - maybe it's because I'm outside his usual demographic of teenage girls, who get giddy over it all. I just want good music and an engaging personality, to hear about someone's artistic process and feel their dedication to the craft. Or at least for it all to be fun and entertaining, not always the same old, that also seems so carefully prepared to say all the right things.

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by Anonymousreply 460December 2, 2020 2:42 PM

The whole shoot with the banana and the red pomegranate smushed into his mouth screams 'I'm bi but I'm not going to ever properly come out'!

I agree that the interview did seem to go over well trodden ground. He needs to share a few new anecdotes her interview. His daily quarantine routine, for instance. We only just found out that he goes to the Highgate Men's Pond on Hampstead Heath to swim (huge gay cruising ground). He could talk about the house he purchased in Italy last summer, or about his friend Harris Reed, who is always singing his praises. I get the impression that he leads a very interesting life, but we don't hear about much of it.

by Anonymousreply 461December 2, 2020 10:17 PM

per interview, not her interview

by Anonymousreply 462December 2, 2020 10:18 PM

he's not bi, he pretending for clicks. He's an obnoxious gay baiter.

by Anonymousreply 463December 3, 2020 12:47 AM

He's bi, but will never openly announce it as he doesn't want it to affect his film career. All his fans think he's bi or gay so he doesn't need to worry about that.

by Anonymousreply 464December 3, 2020 4:47 AM

I'd rather believe he doesn't say anything beyond "who cares", because he's not actually bi and does it out of a false sense of offering representation for his fans instead of believing he's just a coward, who choses to not be open and proud of his sexuality - and offer his fans real representation - because he might lose a few bucks in the future or a film role. At the moment he reaps all the benefits of being seen as part of the community by his fans and avoids all the possible drawbacks, because he plays coy. It's insincere, either way.

And I'd never feel someone has to declare their sexuality, if it were not for the fact, that he so openly and bluntly plays with it as part of his image and brand - and the Variety shoot just piles on that in a not exactly subtle way. Everyone has the right that their sexuality is private, but he obviously makes it an integral part of how he wants to be perceived. Except when people want to know if he just plays with it for notoriety (like others have done before him), then it's suddenly crickets.

by Anonymousreply 465December 3, 2020 4:35 PM

New behind the scenes video of Golden. Since it has the full song in it and counts as streaming, it seems they might push it now for the charts.

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by Anonymousreply 466December 3, 2020 4:38 PM

R461 Yes, he obviously very strictly divides his life between Harry Styles, the international pop star, and private Harry Styles, which could be a reason why he sticks with well-trodden ground in interviews. I don't expect him to share more of his real life in the future, interesting or not, because he seems quite protective of it and there's no real need for it. It's not like his fans like him less or buy less of his stuff, because he doesn't offer them new insights. He or his team are really good, they know which buttons they have to push to ensure fervent adoration from his fans and keeping him relevant in the public eye - without him having to endanger the divide between public persona and private person.

by Anonymousreply 467December 3, 2020 4:44 PM

Lovely BTS of Golden video released today and it's better than the original. Harry's playful, dorky personality really comes across, plus his love of swimming and the sea.

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by Anonymousreply 468December 3, 2020 7:00 PM

King of behind the scenes videos, where he never says anything about the concept or thought behind what he does. But he sells stuff better by being "dorky" anyway and wearing outlandish looks. In this video they had at least a chance to show off the looks that didn't make it into the video, so they weren't totally for nothing, I guess. And in the end this video just serves to increase Golden streams to count for the Billboard 100 anyway.

by Anonymousreply 469December 3, 2020 7:46 PM

He gave an acceptance speech for his Variety hitmaker award. Looks very handsome, sounds a bit tired. All snark about the choices in his career aside, I hope he is okay - as a human being, not as a pop star.

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by Anonymousreply 470December 4, 2020 1:34 AM

He's working 16 hour days on the film set to make up for the time they lost due to a two week covid quarantine so is probably tired from that.

by Anonymousreply 471December 4, 2020 1:48 AM

Harry Styles is ranked top male on Billboard in 2020 for album sales. Beat the Weeknd, Bieber and Post Malone.

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by Anonymousreply 472December 4, 2020 2:40 AM

Harry is the only artist with two songs in the Billboard Hot 100 End of Year Top 20.

Stans are trying to celebrate the first anniversary of the abysmal LP1, which got the lowest Metacritic score of any album released in 2019, but nobody is interested.

by Anonymousreply 473December 7, 2020 10:19 PM

What’s with the bananas? Does he think it’s cute? Because it’s not.

by Anonymousreply 474December 7, 2020 10:25 PM

Nope, and it never was.

by Anonymousreply 475December 8, 2020 5:05 AM

He's obviously trying hard to get attention - no matter if he has to dress up as Scarlet O' Hara for Vogue or fellate a banana in a tragically unfitting suit for Variety.

by Anonymousreply 476December 8, 2020 6:17 AM

He doesn't really need to 'try' to get attention. Magazines have been queuing up offering him the cover for five years and yet he turned all of them down except for Rolling Stone, Vogue, The Face, The Guardian, Beauty Papers, the Sunday Times and Another Man. Seven in five years while Zayn had about thirty. He's very selective. He and his team practise scarcity marketing. Very rarely posts on social media or does interviews.

The attention whores in the band are Liam Payne and Niall. They post selfies nearly every day and have done dozens of lives throughout the year. Liam has Youtube and TikTok channels too. All of this has actually cheapened their brands.

by Anonymousreply 477December 9, 2020 12:45 AM

R477 Has Payne ruined his career with having children?

by Anonymousreply 478December 10, 2020 4:23 AM

Payne's career was killed by over exposure - daily posts on instagram and then, this year, daily videos either on TikTok or youtube. He is known as a TikToker now. Absolutely ridiculous career path for a 27 year old guy worth 45m who used to play stadiums.

The dire careers of all the men except Harry prove 1d's success was down to one man and one only.

by Anonymousreply 479December 11, 2020 7:56 PM

Harry was in great form in his slot for the iheart Jingle Ball. He had the Free Nationals as his backing band and the trumpets really added a bluesy swagger to his songs.

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by Anonymousreply 480December 11, 2020 7:58 PM

Wearing dresses and skirts for attention is the only way he can maintain relevancy and celebrity after his boyband broke up. The general public is already tired of his solo music. He may be annoying but he's not dumb, he knows how to play the fame game. When you have no talent to fall back on and you're not particularly attractive, you have to be faux shocking in order to be a celebrity. Do stuff that's "controversial" but still tame enough that it makes the general public gasp while not driving then away. A straight cis white man putting on a dress is the perfect way to achieve that, just ask Bowie or Prince or Ezra Miller.

by Anonymousreply 481December 11, 2020 7:59 PM

The other 1D members never found the solo success that Harry did because Harry exploits a niche while they still try to target themselves to a general audience. Harry is beginning to base his image off of current trends (return to 70's style and music, the whole gender debacle, the love of "soft bois"), which will come back to bite him in the ass as they make him as a celebrity seem like fad, but also makes him more successful than the other 1D guys.

by Anonymousreply 482December 11, 2020 8:02 PM

R477 At this point I think it doesn't make much sense anymore to compare him to the other former 1D members and whatever they do try to stay relevant, because he plays in a different league now.

Of course he keeps his appearances comparatively rare, which fits his need to strictly divide his private and public persona and also helps with fans being able to project whatever they want onto him. But because he is very selective in what he does it's all the more important that these appearances get attention and it's clear he is doing whatever necessary to get that attention. It would be hard to be completely gone since March and then do something that makes no noise. So of course he does something that is attention-grabbing and plays very much into current trends, like R482 correctly pointed out.

Maybe it works out, maybe it will bite him in his ass. I think to some people it already comes across less genuine and more like him using fads, but we'll see. Personally I find it tiresome, because it feels like instead of a genuinely fascinating personality and good artist, it leaves me with a ready-made trendy pop star and no idea, if there's even anything worthwhile beneath the brand he so cleverly and successfully sells. Contrary to other posters here I actually do believe he has real talent and real charm beneath it all, but it's not like it matters if he chooses to turn into your average trendy pop star instead. And not sure if he himself is happy with that or if it's fulfilling to him.

by Anonymousreply 483December 11, 2020 9:51 PM

He's a product of clever market - a meme. Once his youth fades, so will he.

by Anonymousreply 484December 11, 2020 9:57 PM

He's a product of the Azoffs.

by Anonymousreply 485December 12, 2020 8:12 AM

He didn't need the Vogue cover to sell records. Fine Line has sold 3.7m units worldwide in less than a year and has been streamed 2b times. It's far surpassed HS1. He's the only artist with two songs in the Billboard Best Selling Hot 100 tracks. The album hasn't left the Top 20 on BB or the top 10 on Spotify all year. It's double platinum already in the US and platinum in the UK and many other countries.

In 2017 he was trailing Mendes and Bieber. This year he's blown them out of the water. He's sold more records than The Weeknd and Dua Lipa. Only Taylor out ahead now.

The sour troll saying his success is due to him 'wearing dresses' is hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 486December 12, 2020 9:10 AM

He doesn't need the Vogue cover to sell records (although it never hurts to sell more records, does it?), but this cover and the Variety Hitmaker issue, with the obvious fruit poses, are basically his Grammy campaign. If photo shoots and print interviews are better campaigns for a musical artist than for example TV show performances or whatever else big campaigners like Dua Lipa do will be seen. But the Vogue cover in a dress probably got him more attention than just a performance on Jimmy Fallon or something like that.

Fine Line era was incredibly successful and might very well be his "Rumours" in terms of his best-selling era. But there's also no denying that the whole era was defined by flashy aesthetics and attention-grabbing (ugly) outfits.

Speaking of Grammy campaigns: The difference now to his 2017 effort makes me laugh. Back then he positioned himself as singer-songwriter with a discussion about how the album came together, followed by an understated musical performance (just guitar and keyboard) to showcase his talent. And obviously no distracting focus on flashy, headline-making outfits, just the style he always wore and looked comfortable in. But also no Grammy nominations.

The nominated Harry Styles of 2020, a pop star celebrity making headlines with Gucci dresses and genderfluid fashion, has come a long way. Except that I can't take him that serious anymore.

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by Anonymousreply 487December 12, 2020 9:38 AM

(And he still only got nominations in the pop fields, not in the general field. Maybe the Recording Academy - even as crooked as they are - also sees him more as pop star celebrity than musical artist.)

by Anonymousreply 488December 12, 2020 9:41 AM

Poor Louis Floplinson has a new song out and he's nicked the guitars from Sign of the Times. The rest of the song sounds like Oasis' Live Forever. It's well named after a 9 Inch Nails song - Copy of A Copy of A Copy.

by Anonymousreply 489December 12, 2020 11:12 PM

'And he still only got nominations in the pop fields'

Big deal, he's 26 years old and it's only his second album. If he'd got aoty noms you would be saying he'd peaked too soon. Plenty of time for that category, you sour old crone.

by Anonymousreply 490December 12, 2020 11:13 PM

'He's a product of clever market - a meme. Once his youth fades, so will he.'

That might work if he hadn't already been incredibly famous and popular for a decade already. He has the kind of passionate core fandom who will still be there for him when he's in his 60s and 70s. Similar to the fandom of Robbie Williams or Rod Stewart.

by Anonymousreply 491December 12, 2020 11:14 PM

Louis' new song, ripping off Sott, 9 Inch Nails lyrics and the melody of Live Forever by Oasis. His voice sounds much deeper than usual.

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by Anonymousreply 492December 12, 2020 11:17 PM

Lest we not forget......Harry chose to accept an $80 million plus deal with Columbia for 3 albums, He didn't deliver with HS1 and it's clear as day it underperformed so far as Columbia's investment was concerned. Columbia took more control over this album hence he has gone back to a poppier sound. Forget what he says about playing it too safe with the 1st album... this is the safe album. I mean Adore You was written after the rest of the album was finished to give him a radio hit with the 1st official single. Columbia's marketing team has gone all out with a marketing campaign this time which has clearly been intended to engage younger fans which still make up the majority of his fanbase and which I think Columbia were worried about losing after HS1. Columbia's marketing team won an award for their campaign ffs. Fot his part every bit of promo Harry has done has been selected to create a headline and it has. Having followed him since 1d I would say he is far more manufactured now than he ever was then and I think his next album will be even more radio friendly, simply because when he was given a free reign by Columbia for HS1 it didn't work.

by Anonymousreply 493December 12, 2020 11:25 PM

Will he make a sex tape if he can't have another big era? I feel Shawn Mendes will do that as he's not doing well on the charts. Miley even already posted nudes of herself. I think the guys of today are more willing to whore themselves out than before when it was only the women like Madonna, Janet, Mariah, Britney doing it.

by Anonymousreply 494December 12, 2020 11:28 PM

Also, he was very cute when he was in One Direction and had medium curly hair. He aged so quickly which is weird because a lot of people in their late 20s still look pretty young due to improved dieting, sunscreen, hydration, skincare and more fitness lifestyle. He may be hitting the juice and the coke too much.

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by Anonymousreply 495December 12, 2020 11:31 PM

Forgot to include these quotes from the Variety Hitmakers interview in my reply at 493.

'But acclaim, if you can believe it, is not top of mind for Styles. As far as the Grammys are concerned, Styles shrugs, “It’s never why I do anything.” His team and longtime label, however, had their hearts set on a showing at the Jan. 31 ceremony. Their investment in Styles has been substantial — not just monetarily but in carefully crafting his career in the wake of such icons as David Bowie, who released his final albums with the label. Hope at the company and in many fans’ hearts that Styles would receive an album of the year nomination did not come to pass. '

'Even via videoconference, the Brit is effortlessly charming, as anyone who’s come within earshot of him would attest, but it quickly becomes clear that beneath that genial smile is a well-honed media strategy'

by Anonymousreply 496December 12, 2020 11:49 PM

'Lest we not forget......Harry chose to accept an $80 million plus deal with Columbia for 3 albums, He didn't deliver with HS1 and it's clear as day it underperformed so far as Columbia's investment was concerned.'

Hey fuckhead, the deal was for three albums to sell 5m between them and HS1 has now sold 3m, with Fine Line already nearly on 4m. He's 2m over without the third album. His appeal is broad and goes across at least four major demographics. Boomers and Gen X like the 'real songs' and the 70s guitars. Gen Z TikTok kids like the catchy lyrics. He has a massive ex 1d fanbase of Millennial women. He's hugely, hugely successful and popular. Beyond Columbia's dreams for sure and beyond what 1d managed.

You will say anything to disparage him and make it look like he's some kind of charity whose 'team' paid for his success, but his ever increasing numbers are here to laugh at you. He's only going to get more successful, bitch. You lost.

by Anonymousreply 497December 12, 2020 11:59 PM

Even though DL likes to hate on Harry and I admit the sexual ambiguity thing he does is about annoying at times (Bowie and Prince did it better).

I still like him a lot. His music is excellent and he's a legitimate ally to LGBT causes. He never got offended over gay rumors even as a teen in 1D and he was always in touch with his feminine side. He's someone I find very very very hard to hate for all things considered. His stans are annoying and I do find it offensive when he gets called this queer hero or a representation of gay culture (I'm not kidding there are YouTube videos about this). He's good at playing the game but not being a douchebag.

Justin Bieber, Shawn Mendes, Joe Jonas, Chris Brown and Drake are all very annoying though.

by Anonymousreply 498December 13, 2020 12:45 AM

Dumbass Larries are already saying the 'husbands' worked on the new Louis song together.

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by Anonymousreply 499December 13, 2020 1:06 AM

'Justin Bieber, Shawn Mendes, Joe Jonas, Chris Brown and Drake are all very annoying though'

Chris is a vicious junkie, Bieber is incredibly arrogant and problematic, Shawn suffers from an anodyne personality and Joe hasn't really registered for years. None of them as are cool as Harry.

by Anonymousreply 500December 13, 2020 1:09 AM

Louis has some nerve, sampling the exact guitar line from Harry's song Sign of the Times.

by Anonymousreply 501December 13, 2020 1:34 AM

R501

I listened to about 10 seconds of it and noped out.

by Anonymousreply 502December 13, 2020 1:55 AM

R494 These nudes?

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by Anonymousreply 503December 13, 2020 8:53 AM

R497 get your facts right if you want to be abusive. It was 5 million units 'not including marketing costs or streaming income' just to break even. No way does HS1 have pure sales of 3 million. On 10th December 2020 US sales of HS1 were still only 493,000 and UK sales 310,200... and these pretty much make up most of his market.

by Anonymousreply 504December 13, 2020 8:53 AM

I remember the Harry gay rumors when he was in 1D and most of it came from how emotionally expressive and "sweet" he was. Hugging and cuddling with guys and behaving in a cutesy type of way. Being a pretty boy with the impish smile and curly hair didn't help either. But what people don't realize is he was raised by a single mother and close to his sister. So he had more feminine presence in his life and many men raised by single moms look up to their mothers and imitate them when little. He probably played with and hanged out with girls too growing up and didn't look down on them like other guys did. That's also why he defends his fangirls and said repeatedly that there's nothing wrong with pop music.

by Anonymousreply 505December 13, 2020 10:37 AM

R505 'I remember the Harry gay rumors when he was in 1D and most of it came from how emotionally expressive and "sweet" he was. '

If you really believe that's where the gay 'rumours' came from then you really weren't paying attention.

And he wasn't raised by a single mother?. He still saw his dad after he left and his mum was in a 2nd marriage pretty soon thereafter. Harry lived in a pub with his mum and 2nd husband for 5 years. Then came Robin, the 3rd husband. So he's always had plenty of 'dads'

by Anonymousreply 506December 13, 2020 12:48 PM

R506 Third husband? I am not surprised...

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by Anonymousreply 507December 13, 2020 2:19 PM

Obviously stepfathers cannot replace the presence of a biological father in the household. It's instinctual for children to desire their biological father to be with them. Divorce while better for the household in the general is still a pretty jarring experience for young kids. Most kids are attached to their mothers too and will perceive a stepfather as a threat initially.

by Anonymousreply 508December 13, 2020 2:31 PM

R508. Yes but the above post said he was raised by a single mother which isn't the case. I mean he says he has a close relationship with his biological dad.Then his mum and 2nd husband basically ran a pub together and they all lived together at the pub for 5 years and then he seemed very close to the 3rd husband Robin. In short there was very little time, if any, between relationships when his mum was a 'single mother'.

In answer to the seperate question ,which is whether it all affected him, the answer is clearly yes and I think Howard Stern was spot on when he said he said Harry had 'daddy issues' ' in that interview. You just have to look at the relationships he has with older men and their families.

by Anonymousreply 509December 13, 2020 4:01 PM

'It was 5 million units 'not including marketing costs or streaming income' just to break even. '

This was in 2016 when sales were still split into pure sales and streams. They aren't anymore and record labels make more from streams anyway. I'm sure they're delighted that Harry's 22 songs have 5b streams between them.

by Anonymousreply 510December 14, 2020 12:10 AM

Top albums in pure sales this year:

#1 folklore

#2 MAP OF THE SOUL: 7

#3 After Hours

#4 #FineLine

A 2019 album did that!

by Anonymousreply 511December 14, 2020 12:39 AM

R490 Please, I would have celebrated a Grammy nomination (or win) for Sign of the Times so much, I'm definitely not someone saying "he peaked to soon", that's silly. And while I know the Grammys are overrated anyway and them nominating Justin Bieber over The Weekend just proves it one more time, I initially hoped Harry getting Grammy recognition would've looked differently. But it's not like he or his team will care about what I think lol, they're probably pretty happy to have achieved their goals. You're right, he's only 26, but I honestly think he's set on his path now. I don't expect huge surprises in the next 5-10 years, where should they come from? Or why should he do something differently? You said yourself that he has his passionate core fandom and they'll be here for more of what he serves now.

by Anonymousreply 512December 14, 2020 2:07 AM

R493 I think you're right, it fits together with the new sound and image overhaul and all the rest. It also fits not only with the 80 million deal - that might or might not break even with 5 million sales (also: per album? Or altogether?) - but also trying to avoid the sophomore slump so many other artists, including Niall and Zayn, suffered. I'm sure this second album was a turning point in Harry's career for several reasons and they really tried to ensure its success. Since everything seems to point that way (including the Variety journalist), I very much believe it over Harry saying he never had any intention of writing hits, which of course is also a direct contradiction to some stuff he said in the Zane Lowe interview - like feeling pressure to write big, radio friendly songs and only having an "epiphany" during Cherry, when we know that half the album was already written by then.

But I'm not sure if it matters much, apart from making everything, including his first era, seem way more manufactured than I initially thought. In the end we get the Harry Styles we have now, no matter the reasons or necessities of the music industry. And no matter if there's more to him than his bland and at times tiresome, but very well selling image or not. I don't think he'll change his recipe for success, when it works so very well.

by Anonymousreply 513December 14, 2020 2:31 AM

[QUOTE] I don't expect huge surprises in the next 5-10 years, where should they come from? Or why should he do something differently

He is predictably unpredictable so I think he will continue to surprise us. After all, nobody who heard Self Titled expected Harry's next album to feature a song like Watermelon Sugar. He might branch out into a more conventionally indie, Brit Pop sound, he might get rockier, he could get more experimental and have a Kid A moment, or even a Folklore type album which tells other people's stories.

by Anonymousreply 514December 15, 2020 4:11 AM

This thread has been going for a full month.

by Anonymousreply 515December 15, 2020 4:32 AM

R514 I certainly didn't expect his Fine Line sound, but I also just listened to his debut album without thinking much about music industry things. But afterwards I've seen that there were actually a few people expecting him to go more mainstream with his second album due to his debut not quite meeting expectations in terms of sales. So I'm not sure he's actually that unpredictable, especially for his three album contract - even though in interviews he seemed to hint at doing something else after Fine Line. I would welcome it if he truly shakes things up. Also visually, but that seems even more unlikely, considering how the media celebrates him dressing like a middle-aged lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 516December 15, 2020 5:03 AM

R515 All written by the same person.

by Anonymousreply 517December 15, 2020 8:02 AM

R514 Harry Styles having a Kid A moment? He's a pop star. He's no Jonny Greenwood.

by Anonymousreply 518December 15, 2020 8:25 AM

Apart from that I would also be quite surprised if he goes into a more electronic/ambient or post rock direction. So far I don't see any indication he's into that kind of sound. He even seems to be more into hip hop and I still don't think HS3 will be a rap album.

It might all be for show, but his own musical interests so far - judging from artists he recommended - seem to lie more in folk, classic/psychedelic rock, 60s/70s stuff in general, indie pop, country, soul, funk and jazz. He seems to have gotten into the last three more recently, for example in Japan or through Steve Lacy's and Madison Cunningham's albums. Maybe there will be a stronger funk/jazz influence on HS3, but I expect still in a palatable pop radio form, which is certainly easier with a funky sound than something like Kid A.

For his little Vogue film he played Cherry on a resonator guitar, which is typically used for genres like country, blues and bluegrass, but I doubt he'll go blues rock or bluegrass. His target demographic wouldn't really like it. And for all we know that guitar might just have been a prop for the photo shoot and chosen for its pretty look.

by Anonymousreply 519December 15, 2020 10:38 AM

I think the performances of the three songs for iheart show us which direction he's going in for HS3. More jazz and blues elements like trumpets, sax etc. The songs sounded better than ever the way they were played by the Free Nationals, and the backing singers were perfect because they didn't sing over him like his own band do. That awful Nyoh should be fired. She bawls over him.

by Anonymousreply 520December 16, 2020 12:51 AM

The Free Nationals are a great band with amazing musicians. Not saying that Harry's band members aren't good musicians, they certainly are, but you could tell that the Free Nationals have that thing going on that people jamming together for years have.

I doubt he'll fire Ny, he specifically hired her after he has seen her with Jonathan Wilson in autum 2018. I have no particular opinion on her as a person, although her voice is quite recognisable, which is usually great, but maybe not that well suited for backing vocals. I liked Clare, she had a pleasant voice suited for blending in with the harmonies, and she was really pretty too.

But I feel the problem with the new background singers being too loud is more an issue for the sound guy than Ny herself. Theoretically they could turn down her mic to barely audible, not sure why they don't. Maybe it's also on purpose, so he has this vocal support if things should get rough for his vocal cords on tour.

by Anonymousreply 521December 16, 2020 1:08 AM

' All written by the same person.'

There are 103 posters on this thread, you dumbass. I know you hate the fact that people find him interesting. Love to see you mad, stupid Welp Troll.

by Anonymousreply 522December 16, 2020 1:11 AM

I think this thread will be paywalled soon so here's a link to the next one.

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by Anonymousreply 523December 16, 2020 1:13 AM

The most watched Jingle Ball performances from last week by each artist

Doja 7k

Sam S 26k

Dua 28k

Lewis C 35k

Shawn 36k

Billie 66k

The Weeknd (only to post them in official YouTube channel) 380k, 333k, 235k

Harry 1m

by Anonymousreply 524December 16, 2020 9:38 AM

Harry is performing at the Grammys with Taylor, Beyonce and Dua Lipa.

by Anonymousreply 525December 17, 2020 1:27 AM

Harry really hit the A list this year. Proud that he outsold Bieber, Mendes, Weeknd and Sam Smith.

by Anonymousreply 526December 18, 2020 12:34 AM

Yes, I hope it gives him the position in the music industry he was after and also personal fulfillment. Kid Harpoon got a songwriter award by Music Week and from his interview it's clear that this was also important for the careers of the people around Harry. Kid Harpoon basically said he invested three years in Harry and now it paid off and he gets a lot of new high-profile clients. He also worked with big names before, but not on that scope and usually just for a handful of songs, not whole album projects, where he's also the producer.

I still remember when Fine Line came out and Jeffrey Azoff posted something along the lines "this album means so much to so many of us" - I always wondered if he meant emotionally or in terms of their careers. I guess it's a milestone for the whole team and that made it especially crucial that Harry's sophomore album doesn't tank. They went all in and now it probably even surpassed expectations.

by Anonymousreply 527December 18, 2020 9:05 AM

Rob Sheffield of Rolling Stone named Watermelon his favourite song of 2020. He loves Harry, like so many people.

I agree that Fine Line surpassed even Stringer and Jeff's expectations, especially in a pandemic year with sales down across the board. Fine Line sold more than any other album released in 2019 or 2020 except for Taylor and Post Malone. A real triumph, especially compared to the sophomore disasters of Niall and Zayn, and to Bieber's Changes (which everybody expected to do better).

Niall and Louis' albums were ranked #6 and #20 on the Worst Albums of 2020, the list Liam Payne topped last year. Mortifying.

by Anonymousreply 528December 18, 2020 12:54 PM

On a personal level I still think for what price, because he'll be playing Watermelon Sugar for the rest of his life lol. I don't even have that much against this song, but it's pretty lightweight and it's his "legacy" now.

And of course through his effort to be different than his peers and really sell this album and himself as unique brand, everyone knows him now as the guy, who wears ugly grandma clothes, that don't even fit him. I know he gets called "most stylish" whatever in all these year end list, but it's a cycle of fans hyping him up, because it's Harry and he could wear a trash bag - they'd still pretend it's the most stylish they've ever seen and all buy trash bags for themselves - and in turn magazines feature him, because they get clicks and magazine sales from fans. And Gucci both profits from having him as walking ad and of course also contributes to the "fashion legend" status, because it boosts their brand. It's like with Jared Leto, who was often hailed as new "fashion icon", but by now he lost the attention of the fashion press and regular people just think he's gone weird.

by Anonymousreply 529December 18, 2020 8:42 PM

528 of course Rob Sheffield /Rolling Stone magazine has a hard on for Harry Styles. Rolling Stone and music journalism in general is a legacy industry. They are absolutely desperate for young people to buy their magazine and click on their article links. That means essentially tuning into teen bop. Harry is good for business.

by Anonymousreply 530December 18, 2020 8:49 PM

Harry's one year old album was the fourth best selling in the US last week.

by Anonymousreply 531December 22, 2020 12:26 AM

Though he was cruelly underappreciated at Grammy time, Columbia’s Harry Styles staked his claim in 2020 as the world’s biggest star. His Fine Line set delivered on his long-smoldering promise and then some, yielding two smash singles, ruling the airwaves and streaming up a storm. Few artists have the carriage associated with the prior era’s rock royalty—Jagger, Bowie, et al—but Prince Harry was to the manner born. The way he elegantly modeled dresses in Vogue and then sailed above the manufactured outrage of right-wing culture warriors was a master class in savoir faire.

- Hits Daily Double on Harry. (23 December 2020)

Nice to see the top industry publication calling him the 'world's biggest star'.

by Anonymousreply 532December 24, 2020 8:12 AM

New video has been teased, starring Phoebe Waller Bridges.

by Anonymousreply 533December 24, 2020 8:13 AM

'On a personal level I still think for what price, because he'll be playing Watermelon Sugar for the rest of his life lol. I don't even have that much against this song, but it's pretty lightweight and it's his "legacy" now.'

Just one song in a decades long legacy, dear. He is 26 not 46.

by Anonymousreply 534December 24, 2020 8:14 AM

New 30 minute video coming starring Phoebe Waller Bridges.

by Anonymousreply 535December 24, 2020 10:54 PM

R534 It might still stay his most famous song, especially if he chooses a less commercial sound for future albums. If he keeps producing pop hits, then there might be others of course. But nobody can predict how his future music will be received (no matter if pop or not) and age has not much to do with it. Stevie Nicks called Fine Line Harry's Rumours and despite Fleetwood Mac's big discography it's still the songs from Rumours they're mostly known for.

by Anonymousreply 536December 25, 2020 10:22 AM

R535 Is there more info for the supposed 30 minute length? Because iirc the original info just stated "under 30 minutes", which could be meant to distinguish it from feature films and they might pack everything else of varying length in the "under 30 minutes" category - short films, music videos, commercials etc. I suspect they might do something more elaborate than a 3.5 minute video to fit the length of Treat People With Kindness since they got Phoebe Waller-Bridges on board. But I wonder if people expecting a whole short film will be disappointed if it's just a longer music video.

If it's a short film it will at least have longer parts without that awful song playing lol.

by Anonymousreply 537December 25, 2020 10:26 AM

'Stevie Nicks called Fine Line Harry's Rumours and despite Fleetwood Mac's big discography it's still the songs from Rumours they're mostly known for.'

He's too young for Fine Line to be his Rumors, which was released 11 years into FM's career. Stevie doesn't know everything. Coldplay kept on having huge albums for two decades after Parachutes, so he might be like them. I doubt his sophomore effort will be the pinnacle of his achievements.

Gemma and Anne both tweeted to say how upset they were that they couldn't be with each other and Harry this Christmas due to lockdown regulations. They said it was the first and only Christmas that they'd spent apart. I wonder where he is?

by Anonymousreply 538December 26, 2020 12:35 AM

True, Stevie talks a lot and not everything makes sense - I'm also thinking of her praising Harry for foregoing pop in order to make rock, when Fine Line is definitely more of a pop album and was nominated for the pop categories at the Grammys lol. However Rumours was the second FM album that was released with her and Lindsay Buckingham's participation, maybe that's also why she compared it to Harry's second album. And of course it's in general hard to compare the journey of a band coming from nothing like Fleetwood Mac or Coldplay to the solo career of a very well known band member. I guess for that purpose Robbie Williams or Justin Timberlake would be better examples.

Harry stayed in Los Angeles as far as we know, so he probably spent the holidays with his friends there. I think by now he probably rented a place there and doesn't stay with his manager anymore, but he probably was at a friend's place for the holidays (Jeff might not celebrate Christmas though).

by Anonymousreply 539December 26, 2020 11:06 AM

New video

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by Anonymousreply 540January 1, 2021 2:56 PM

TPWK video has only been out for ten hours yet has racked up 4.8m views. Justin Bieber's brand new single Anyone has been out for 20 hours and only racked up 6.2m. TPWK has over 1m likes and Anyone just 500k. Harry has definitely overtaken the Biebs in popularity and success this year. Being permanently publicly single helps too.

by Anonymousreply 541January 2, 2021 12:57 AM

Harry now embroiled in a hot new relationship with Olivia Wilde while Larries cry into their nachos. Zombie Zayn has a new terrible Drake lite song out.

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by Anonymousreply 542January 7, 2021 11:44 PM

Did the troll die ?

by Anonymousreply 543January 31, 2021 10:02 AM

No, R543, you're off your ventilator and on the thread.

by Anonymousreply 544January 31, 2021 10:24 AM

Harry turned 27 yesterday and had 100s of verified accounts wishing him happy birthday. His own thank you tweet had 1m likes after 6 hours. It looks like Holivia has barely dented his popularity.

Zayn had nobody wishing him HBD except for Gigi.

by Anonymousreply 545February 2, 2021 3:02 PM

Amazing video. If I didn't love him already, that would seal the deal. And I might have liked "LaLa Land" more if it had looked like that (and the actors learned real dancing like Harry and Phoebe vs. the lazy choreography of the movie).

by Anonymousreply 546February 3, 2021 4:07 AM

Harry and Phoebe were actually good dancers - doing lifts and real choreography. Harry has always been a bit gymnastic - he liked doing back flips into swimming pools for instance. Everything he does he throws himself into, nothing half assed like Zayn.

His album Fine Line is now 44th of the 50 Most Streamed Albums of All Time on Spotify! 3.5b streams.

by Anonymousreply 547February 3, 2021 11:11 PM

R547 seek help for your demented obsession with this pop star

by Anonymousreply 548February 4, 2021 12:04 AM

Harry has been confirmed for My Policeman by Deadline today and is playing opposite Emma Corrin who was Diana in The Crown Part 4. Filming begins in Brighton in April.

by Anonymousreply 549February 5, 2021 1:12 AM
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