You can't call Kamala an African American

She's multi racial btw.

She's more Indian.

Yeah I knew she was half Indian. Does she refer to herself as black?

Just call her Madam Vice President

Just call her President-in-Waiting.

Just call her Mamala

MadamE r4 would be better.

Her mother was from modern day Sri Lanka.

Best food on the planet.

Just call her President in 6 months.

Her dad's of African descent....so how is it wrong to call her an African American?

I don't know r10. Somebody corrected me. So I guess you can call her African American. Never mind!

I hope she eases up on the Hair Relaxer when she's eventually crowned President of the Mighty U.S.A. ! !

Op she isn’t from Jamaica. Her father was. She is from California. She is biracial with immigrant parents. African-American is generally accepted to refer to persons of African descent whose ancestors were brought to the US as slaves or have been here for generations after a voluntary immigration. Descendants of at least recent Jamaican immigrants are frequently called Caribbean-American or African-Carribbean. There are differences in culture and experience. Black is the cross cutting term.

[quote] Sri Lanka

The people on that island used to known as the prettiest in all Asia.

Are you white, r12?

Where do you think Jamaicans come from ? Africa!

Can we get percentages, please?

I don't care - she's Madam Vice President-elect now.

Just call her President!

(and don't complain she has Short Man Syndrome)

the black people I know from the caribbean that live in the US refer to themselves as black or afro caribbean. I have a friend from Uganda who gets annoyed when someone calls her African American. I don't think 'black' is considered a bad term now.

[quote]Her dad's of African descent....so how is it wrong to call her an African American?

Because her dad’s not American. He lives in Jamaica.

With 2.9 million people,[12][13] Jamaica is the third-most populous Anglophone country in the Americas (after the United States and Canada),

[quote]Because her dad’s not American. He lives in Jamaica.

SHE'S American, genius.

Kamala doesn’t identify as African American or black. She was raised by a single Indian mother so she grew up identifying with Indian culture and eating Indian food and not experiencing black culture.

[quote]Odd I'm always afraid to say black. It sounds offensive.

Black is beautiful. How is it offensive?

I've talked to Africans from Africa and they laugh when they here the term "African-American" as they see these Americans don't know a thing about Africa and living there.

Think Lion King, Starving kids with swollen stomachs and flies buzzing around them, and Safaris.

Jamaica produces good athletes and good Christian zealots.

[quote] Because her dad’s not American. He lives in Jamaica.

Obama's father was Kenyan not American, so it is wrong to call him African-American?

I wonder why she went to an HBC for college then r25.

Because she wanted to get in touch with her roots. I know a Korean girl who was adopted by whites. She decided to go to a Korean college to learn about her birth culture.

Because Historical Indian Colleges don't exist in the US?

[quote] HBC

What is that?

Hillary Bill Clinton

Historically black college

Her father's grandfather was Irish (white). In Europe we would call her multi racial. In USA why is she not classified this way? Or is she?

President Kamala will make America Great Again!

[quote]Kamala doesn’t identify as African American or black. She was raised by a single Indian mother so she grew up identifying with Indian culture and eating Indian food and not experiencing black culture.

She does identify as Black, in addition to Indian-American. In her own words:

"Harris details her mixed-race identity and upbringing in her 2019 memoir “The Truths We Hold” ( here ), describing how she and her younger sister Maya “were raised with a strong awareness of and appreciation for Indian culture,” while her mother also “understood very well that she was raising two black daughters” and “was determined to make sure (they) would grow into confident, proud black women.”"

R3, she identifies as black, like Obama does.

[quote] 2019 memoir “The Truths We Hold”

Is that worth reading? Is it on line?

[quote]In Europe we would call her multi racial. In USA why is she not classified this way? Or is she?

Most people here refer to her as biracial. She's also referred to as a Person of Color.

Halle Berry said her mother raised her to think of herself as black since that is how the world would see her. (of course Halle is crazy so maybe not the best example.)

Kindle link

Of course she has to say she identifies as black since she’s running for office. But in reality what black culture could a single Indian mother give?

Where did you think the blacks in Jamaica came from, mon?

The original people of the islands were Taino, I believe.

If she grew up with that skin color in America, she grew up as Black in America.

That's reality.

[quote] skin color

She does wear lots of make up

[quote]Of course she has to say she identifies as black since she’s running for office. But in reality what black culture could a single Indian mother give?

She grew up in California and Montreal, but she chose to go to Howard University when she was 18...so obviously she identified somewhat with Black culture.

I look forward to 8 years of Kamala trolls on DL

She looks very Sri Lankan to me. Apart from her height that is. I felt like a 6'3" monster in Sri Lanka. Tiny people

R47, she probably wear less makeup than our current president

^ LOL

But how tall is our new President Kamala?

So she's only 25% black/African? 25% white/European and 50% Indian?

OP, whoever said that was a racist lying to you.

Kamala Harris can be called African American.

WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU THINK BLACK PEOPLE IN JAMAICA CAME FROM?

R54, you are sadly mistaken if you think most people in America think. We already know it all!

R44: That's not true, she has talked about going to both Hindu temples and Baptist churches growing up with her sister. So has been in contact with both cultures most of her life.

R49: 12 years dear.

Is her dad half black?

[quote] I look forward to 8 years of Kamala trolls on DL

Only 8?

I’m thinking 16, or at least 12.

[quote]She looks very Sri Lankan to me. Apart from her height that is. I felt like a 6'3" monster in Sri Lanka. Tiny people

[quote]But how tall is our new President Kamala?

She is 5 foot, 2 inches. Very short.

^ Almost as short as FDR.

op, are you a raging racist ?

She does identify as black. Her mother marched for civil rights and met Kamala's father at a march. She raised the girls as black women as that is how they were 'read' by the dominant culture, as little black girls. Kamala then went to a HBCU and has always identified as a black woman. She also visited India every year and was penpals with her Indian grandfather so she is connected to that side too. I feel sorry for mixed race people because they get shit from both sides but if the woman says she's black, she's black. It's not up to any of us to tell her who she is.

[quote]Kamala doesn’t identify as African American or black. She was raised by a single Indian mother so she grew up identifying with Indian culture and eating Indian food and not experiencing black culture.

Which is similar to Obama, who was raised by a white mother and didn't have much contact with the black side of his family. I remember there was talk that made him more acceptable to a broader spectrum of Americans. And there was also mention of the fact that he didn't grow up in a family that had the legacy of slavery. That's probably not the same for Harris, since it's likely that her ancestors were slaves in Jamaica.

Kamala is black. Only white people who have no real contact with black people querulously insist on saying African American.

She's Caribbean black like Colin Powell and Harry Belafonte, Bob Marley. Jamaican Americans are black but have no history of American slavery. Obama is another African American with no history of it either. Both Harris and Obama are black, with black fathers.

Kamala has an Tamil Indian mother, from South India.

Tidbit - Tamil, a classical language, is the world oldest continuously surviving language at about 5000 years,

People in Australia claim to have the world oldest language and world oldest culture.

If cops had to decide whether to profile her in traffic they would refer to get as African American. Yes her father is Jamaican of African ancestry and her mother is Indian. She was born in America. She's African American if she decides to identify that way. Whoever informed you otherwise needs to sit the fuck down somewhere

[quote] If cops had to decide whether to profile her in traffic they would refer to get as African American.

They’d probably refer to her a little worse than that.

She's another bi-racial who claims to be black.

Ms. Harris is whatever she says she is, and a person can be an African American AND an Indian American. Being of Jamaican ancestry doesn't make a person NOT an African American.

For fuck's sake - idiots.

Back at the height of the Harry Potter fandom, I heard American fans refer to Dean Thomas, a black British character, as African-American.

Regardless of how Kamala identifies, this is true:

[quote] Kamala is black. Only white people who have no real contact with black people querulously insist on saying African American

and I always cringe when I hear white people saying ‘African-American’ because they think ‘black’ is offensive.

I know people who call themselves African-American. So there.

Here’s the thing. No black person is going to bristle at being called black. There are black people who aren’t African-American and who are and identify as black, not AA, and would take exception at being called African-American.

Just say black.

Kamala referred to herself as a "black woman" in her concession speech just now - as did Biden. So if that's how she classifies racially herself then I think it's best to take what they say as gospel. Black.

Now that that's done and dusted - I'm going to refer to her as Madame Vice President and Kamala Harris. The color of her skin is completely inconsequential. I really enjoyed her speech and have high hopes. Congratulations to Kamala.

This is a wonderful moment. What a great day.

🇨🇦claims her too!

They're not black, they're Black!

I’m biracial (African American and Caucasian) but grew up in a predominantly white area. I wanted to attend Howard, but my dad (black) wouldn’t let me because he thought that I wouldn’t fit in. My black Aunt attended Howard a few years before Kamala.

Concession?

Who cares what she is or how she personally identifies? Irrelevant to her public office. So tired of people having to be some ethnicity/culture more than any other. Everyone the world over is a veritable shit mix. And haven't you heard? Hominids, regardless of color or country of ancestral origin, are an ape species so guess what? Your shit does stink and I also see you playing with yourself over in the corner.

OMG! MY apologies. Obviously - I meant victory speech - not concession speech R78.

I'm so tired. It has been days of no sleep and fretting. Hope I didn't offend anyone.

Concession speech is what we will never hear from Dump.

ROP I can’t say black, it’s as bad as the n word to my ear. You see when I was growing up, to call someone black was as bad as calling them a n#%%^*. The polite word was “negro.” We said someone was “negro.” We didn’t have expressions like African-American, or person of color. In fact “color” was a bad word too. This wasn’t so long ago either. We’re talking the early/mid 60’s.

R81 Times have changed, gramps. Good luck calling a BLACK person a "negro" now, see how well that goes. The 1960s were 50 years ago.

Well, where do you (or whoever "schooled" you on this) think the black people on Jamaica came from?

.... um, r82? .....

R8 Not Sri Lankan. She was from Madras, Tamil Nadu.

R82 The acceptable terms and the unacceptable words change every ten years.

Thank you, R77, the terms are interchangeable, right?

R81, what movie is that from?

^ Guess who's coming to dinner.

I love reading white people pontificating about this topic. You guys should have a podcast called "Clueless in Podunkville."

Who is ROP?

She's Jamindian.

[quote] Who is ROP?

R25 as others have said her mother realized that Kamala and sister would be perceived as Black and treated as Black. She ensured that her daughters had exposure to black cultural and community institutions, including but not limited to Black churches. Kamala the attended a historically Black university. America sees her as Black, so she gets to say she is Black.

Her father holds a PhD in economics and retired from a tenured position at Stanford. Her mother had a PhD in nutrition and endocrinology and did research that I believe focused on cancer. Their divorce when Kamala was 5 was extremely contentious, and she has little contact with her father.

She’s Blackish

Why did the mom think they would be perceived as black? They look Indian, especially the sister. She doesn’t look black at all.

She is Indian. She is not black.

Please write her and tell her. She’ll be so glad to be corrected. You have her address now and I’m sure she’ll thank you for setting her right at the inauguration.

When you run trolldar on the racists the results are predictable.

I do feel sorry for well meaning white people sometimes. My partner’s family are Caucasian. His mom is an idiot, but his dad reads and really cares. The issue is that he reads James Baldwin and Frederick Douglas. When I started seeing his son, he immediately went out to read about African American history. He read and researched. I have had to hint to him that ‘negro’ and ‘colored’ aren’t acceptable.

Aunt Jemima

Coonala Harris

Darkie Harris

Vice President Lawn Jockey

Cotton-Picker Kamala

Kamala Kunt Klaston

Welfare Wilma and her Jew Jockey

Vice President Mutt and her Oven-Ready Husband

Jewess Monkey Lips and Second-Rate Homo Husband Harris

Vice President Jungle Bunny and Mr. Coon Lover

I always say black because am a white passing Latina NOT Lantinx and I’m not a hysterical frightened white person like OP. Why don’t you fucking relax and stop making a big deal out of everything OP!

Don Lemon was interviewing Rep Jim Clyburn of South Carolina last night and Clyburn referred to the next Vice President of the US, Kamala Harris as an African-American.

May R97 rot in his racist hell.

She now has she/her in her Twitter bio. More pandering to the trans lunatics.

[quote]She now has she/her in her Twitter bio. More pandering to the trans lunatics.

She has to do something to acknowlege them. Having pronouns on her Twitter account is pretty minimal. It's way better than Warren's "A trans child will choose my Secretary of Education".

We have to acknowledge that Joe is headed for a retirement home soon.

But I just hope Kamala doesn't turn into a bad-ass Kali

(Kali is the Hindu goddess who is responsible as a destroyer of evil forces. She supposedly destroys the evil in order to protect the innocent)

I was wondering yesterday if she is actually a descendant of slaves.

[quote] Op she isn’t from Jamaica. Her father was. She is from California. She is biracial with immigrant parents. African-American is generally accepted to refer to persons of African descent whose ancestors were brought to the US as slaves or have been here for generations after a voluntary immigration. Descendants of at least recent Jamaican immigrants are frequently called Caribbean-American or African-Carribbean. There are differences in culture and experience. Black is the cross cutting term.

It's arguable that she is 'biracial.' She is certainly mixed race but her parents are not of two distinct, different races (biracial). Black people in the Western Hemisphere are of African descent -- in North America, the Carribean, Latin America and South America.

She has her father's forehead and her mother's shortness.

That's all fine and dandy OP, but what pronoun did you use?

I'm already annoyed by the way Dutch newscasters are mispronouncing her name (to rhyme with "Pamela"). "Boosh" and "Truump" were bad enough.

R85 is deadnaming Chennai

I think the GOP is prepping South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem to run in 2024. She’s a liar like Trump. Her state is invested with Covid.

But more importantly, what caste is she?

Did the mother know there was more advantage her daughters being 'black' then 'Asian' for academic purposes?

OP probably calls Idris Elba "African American."

Did everyone suddenly forget “woman of color”? Now everyone breaks it down by nation?

And no duh she’s not black.

[quote] She now has she/her in her Twitter bio. More pandering to the trans lunatics.

I remember when she blurted out her pronouns out of left field at a debate. The host Chris Cuomo’s response was, “Yeah, and my pronouns are bip, boop, bop.”

Kamala experienced all the racism of US segregation policies. She grew up in a white racist America just as every child, grand child and great great-grandchild of slaves has. Just like the white fucks on DL have profited from white privilege without being the sons and daughters of plantation owners.

Yes, Karen, she is Black.

Kamala identifies as black because she is black. Her father is a black Jamaican man. She's also Indian through her mother and proud of that heritage.

She went to Howard, a HBCU, and is active in the biggest black sorority in the country.

So, yes. Kamala Harris is an African American as she's an American citizen of African descent on her father's side.

Why are you Americans so fucking obsessed with pigeon holing and labeling everyone?

She's an American.

End of fucking thread.

[quote]She's Caribbean black like Colin Powell and Harry Belafonte, Bob Marley. Jamaican Americans are black but have no history of American slavery. Obama is another African American with no history of it either. Both Harris and Obama are black, with black fathers.

Colin Powell, Harry Belafonte, Sidney Potier, Eric Holder ... all Caribbean black. They're also descended from slavery. Obama isn't descended from slaves as his father was straight African (Kenyan). But all are African American because they're American citizens of African descent.

[quote]Why are you Americans so fucking obsessed with pigeon holing and labeling everyone?

Because America is a nation of immigrants and not keen of erasure like the UK and France which pretend they don't see race when racism is in fact a very serious problem there.

R82 R81 Here. “Gramps!” I love it. I wish I had grandkids.Forget daddy, I’m going to embrace my gram photos. Anyway, I agree with you. You can’t say negro! Blech! And yes, times have changed, but it is what it is, and I cringe at the use of the words black because I came of age when it was a racial pejorative. By the way, it’s it’s ok to say Black, how come it’s not ok to say Shvartz? That’s just black in German. What do they even call back people in Germany?

E120 What a load of crap. By the way, it’s stuff like that which will lose the Dems votes in 2022 and 2024. The votes that would have gone to Trump but for his coronavirus non response. The majority of Americans don’t give a crap about racism and think blacks are responsible for their own problems. It’s just a matter of time before they go fuck you and take away your welfare, you’ve gotten enough. That will be a big part of the 3024 repug platform.

R126 I can't quite make sense of your post but if you are trying to say THEY = white people will want to get rid of welfare = black people you are wrong because white Americans make up the majority of welfare recipients. In fact, red states have more welfare recipients per capita than blue states so abolishing welfare is not something Repubs would do as they would lose support from their base. Trying to rile the middle class up about welfare fraud and welfare queens to distract them? Right leaning politicians do that in every country.

She’s biracial. A Black, Asian-American.

I’m just happy her pronouns are clear.

I remember being surprised when I first heard "person of colour" used on American television in the 00s. Describing a black person as "coloured" is considered very offensive here in the UK.

R130, "Person of Color" or "PoC" simply means "non-White". It doesn't mean Black. It's not a synonym for Black. Black People are a subset of "People of Color", which also includes Asians, latinos, indigenous people, etc.

Welp Micelle Obama called her a black Indian-American FWIW

Micelle?

Oops typo sorry

Jamaican blacks came from Africa. She’s American and half black via African ancestry. Thus African American. What a dumb argument to say she’s not.

[quote]Welp Micelle Obama called her a black Indian-American FWIW

WTF is this supposed to mean? MicHelle got it right.

Where did people get the idea that "black" is offensive? Christ, some of you are really insanely sheltered from race or anyone different from you. It's astounding to normal people.

Will white people ever learn to stop telling other people what to call themselves?

[quote]Jamaican blacks came from Africa.

Jamaican blacks come from Jamaica, Cletus.

Do you think American blacks come from Africa, too? Do you go around telling people you come from Scotland or Ireland?

Don't the UK use BAME in the same context as 'people of color'. I've been reading that the BAME (black asian middle eastern) community is reporting more covid and higher mortality whereas in the US it would be people of color. To me people of color is more natural and humanizing.

R138 Not sure where you are but at least on the east coast a lot of people do still say they are Irish/Italian/Polish etc. because there are still quite a lot of people, esp older people, who are only 1st/2nd generation and can easily trace all 4 grandparents back to those countries.

That does not make them correct, R139. No one from Ireland or Italy thinks you're one of them just because your grandpa came from there. Get a passport sometime and fucking use it.

what the fuck. She sure is African American. But also Indian-american.

Okay, I see what you did there.

She is a Black and Indian American

R63, Obama is more African than the vast majority of people in the US who claim to be African-American.

I don't really care about her gender or ethnicity. I just hope she'll be a good president when Joe bites the dust.

R140 I am a Brit who lived in Ireland (where my mother was born) and now a US citizen so I have 3 passports!

[quote] She’s biracial. A Black, Asian-American.

Are people from China and people from India the same "race"? Doesn't "Asian" refer to geography and not race, culture or ethnicity? In the photo of the VP-elect's parents they look like they could be brother and sister. They are not of different "races." They are both of mixed race.

Fuck race and all the conversations about it. Sick of it all.

How does she feel about cows? Does she think they're just adorable?

She’s dyslexic, R148. She thinks they are scared.

It would be better to just say she's of mixed-heritage or something like that. She looks like a lot of people in modern America, which is a melting pot of immigrants of many ethnicities.

She is what she needs to be depending on the situation.

R147, imagine how sick Black people are of dealing with it every fucking day of their lives.

Black is Black!

[quote] [R147], imagine how sick Black people are of dealing with it every fucking day of their lives.

This is why I'm always exhausted!

her mother was a Brahmin, the highest caste in India. Plus she was from Tamil Nadu, which is the seat of Indian classical civilization and culture. She has a very rich Indian legacy which we don’t hear enough of, because black is more important to voters.

Unless you call white Americans Euro-Americans, call her American, how about that?

Just call her the lady with the boot that's gonna kick back Pig Pence to the curb back to mother's waiting apron strings and into the closet.

[quote] Unless you call white Americans Euro-Americans, call her American, how about that?

How about if we instead call you a cab, so you can haul your hall monitor ass out of here?

We'll call her whatever we feel like, Miss Bossy.

[quote]Unless you call white Americans Euro-Americans, call her American, how about that?

While people call themselves things like Italian-American, Irish-American, and Ukrainian-American all the time.